"EULEX prosecutors studying Marty report"

EULEX head Xavier Bout de Marnhac spoke in the European parliament on Tuesday about the Kosovo organ trafficking report.

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  1. just please show us some cases where evidence is made public before the case is started, where lists of witnesses are written in the newyork times, or washington post, or the guardian.
    one.
    (bobmackenzie, 16 March 2011 18:54)
    It should not be published in papers but it would be given to those who need to know and so far Marty has shared nothing with no one.
    Walk into a police station and report a crime, do not give any details do not offer any proof, do not give them anything to substantiate your story and see how far that investigation goes. Especially if you say I have witnesses but I will not give you their names and even if I did they will not talk to you.
    I don't have any victims, it is up to you to figure who they are.
    And then on top of that tell them I don't think you are capable of handling this investigation so I am not going to cooperate with you.
    I think the end result would be the police saying you have not made any "credible" allegations.
    (pss, 17 March 2011 00:10)

    The problem in this case it the fact that the Kosovo Police is run by the KLA, who committed the crimes in the first place, Do you really think it would be smart to hand over a list of witnesses who testified against them to the criminals themselves?
    (John, 19 March 2011 01:48)
  2. Ivan-you must be from Gospic, right?
    (Srboljub, 18 March 2011 11:32)
  3. For the evidence they need to go and check the shredders of the tribunal in the Hague. For the witnesses probably the cemetery.
    (Joe A, 18 March 2011 11:24)
  4. - I don't think the witness and evidence should be made public way to early.
    If the matter is that trivial as you describe - the entire case would be history and organizations like EP won't deal with it. Instead, it is gaining momentum.
    (Ataman, 17 March 2011 05:48)

    No one in right mind is asking to make that information public, but to hand that information to proper authorities, so they can conduct the investigation.
    (Agim Kelmendi, 17 March 2011 19:28)
  5. whomever caused suffering on civilians, should pay...
    (burho, 17 March 2011 08:30)
  6. @Ataman,
    I know the difference, but you cannot conduct an investigation on any type of crime if you don't find a print, or a clue so as to follow the lead on the said investigation. Here we got no victims(meaning, concrete names of them+who was recepian of the said organs, which is not that hard to trace, and witnessess are all made up by Serbia/Russia/Marty, and beleive me if these horrible things happened, what makes you think that witnessess were spared to tell their story?). Think logically Ataman.
    (Agim Kelmendi, 16 March 2011 13:35)

    If what you say would be correct mafia bosses would be safe.

    - A crime is rarely logical
    - There is no "perfect crime". Some witnesses could surprise the criminal.
    - I don't think the witness and evidence should be made public way to early.
    If the matter is that trivial as you describe - the entire case would be history and organizations like EP won't deal with it. Instead, it is gaining momentum.
    (Ataman, 17 March 2011 05:48)
  7. 11 ovk arrested this afternoon in KiM..ha,ha,ha..
    GTFO for real..
    (lids, 16 March 2011 19:42)

    You seem to think "accuse", "evidence" and "arrested" to be interchangeable terms. The existence of their arrest is not definitive proof of evidence.

    If there is proof of this disgusting act I hope they lock these scumbags and let them to rot in a penitentiary for the rest of their lives.


    Thanks,
    (KOSO, 16 March 2011 21:58)

    Well that gets Slobo, Radovan, and Ratko off
    (John, 17 March 2011 05:15)
  8. # Marty advocated against Kosovo independence and against Nato bombing of Serbia in 1999. That tells everything about him. He is a small russian puppet wich has no moral.


    This raport is maufactured in Moscow and Belgrade and is just a failed attemnt to discredit the good image of Kosovo worldwide. But as all attempt coming from Belgrade wich are pointed against Kosovo will fail just as they all have done in the past.

    Kosovo will prevail and this Martyraport will only make it stronger!!
    (Demi, 16 March 2011 13:27)

    Actualy, demi, it is officially called the Marty SMEAR Report. otherwise, i fully agree with you.

    roberto
    frisco
    (roberto, 17 March 2011 04:14)
  9. just please show us some cases where evidence is made public before the case is started, where lists of witnesses are written in the newyork times, or washington post, or the guardian.
    one.
    (bobmackenzie, 16 March 2011 18:54)
    It should not be published in papers but it would be given to those who need to know and so far Marty has shared nothing with no one.
    Walk into a police station and report a crime, do not give any details do not offer any proof, do not give them anything to substantiate your story and see how far that investigation goes. Especially if you say I have witnesses but I will not give you their names and even if I did they will not talk to you.
    I don't have any victims, it is up to you to figure who they are.
    And then on top of that tell them I don't think you are capable of handling this investigation so I am not going to cooperate with you.
    I think the end result would be the police saying you have not made any "credible" allegations.
    (pss, 17 March 2011 00:10)
  10. What surprises me is that NY has a population of 150,000 Albanians. With the propensity of have many kids, pretty soon they will reach millions and will be demanding autonomous status in NY State!
    (Jugolsavija, 16 March 2011 19:24)

    Suprise you guys didn't claim Ohio YET!?
    (Agim Kelmendi, 16 March 2011 21:59)
  11. 11 ovk arrested this afternoon in KiM..ha,ha,ha..
    GTFO for real..
    (lids, 16 March 2011 19:42)

    You seem to think "accuse", "evidence" and "arrested" to be interchangeable terms. The existence of their arrest is not definitive proof of evidence.

    If there is proof of this disgusting act I hope they lock these scumbags and let them to rot in a penitentiary for the rest of their lives.


    Thanks,
    (KOSO, 16 March 2011 21:58)
  12. As one famous lawyer said, if the glove doesn't fit, than you must acquit.

    EVIDENCE or GTFO!!!



    Thanks,
    (KOSO, 16 March 2011 16:28)
    ===…==

    Nice touch comparing Albanians to OJ.
    Both are guilty.
    (Peggy, 16 March 2011 21:20)
  13. EVIDENCE or GTFO!!!



    Thanks,
    (KOSO, 16 March 2011 16:28)

    11 ovk arrested this afternoon in KiM..ha,ha,ha..
    GTFO for real..
    (lids, 16 March 2011 19:42)
  14. "Violence within the Albanian community can be particularly brutal"
    (Crna Ruka, 16 March 2011 16:28)

    RE: NY Albanian Mafia

    You can see what the former Yugoslavia had to deal with in Kosovo and FYROM and now it's time for Americans especially in NY to see the clan mentality of Albanians continue in NY of all places.

    What surprises me is that NY has a population of 150,000 Albanians. With the propensity of have many kids, pretty soon they will reach millions and will be demanding autonomous status in NY State!
    (Jugolsavija, 16 March 2011 19:24)
  15. i wonder if the illustrious panel of legal experts can tell me where in the evdence for 911 terror attacks in nyc did we find finger prints of bin laden, or anything else that points in the direction of al'qaeda. or perhaps you can show me the evidence of wmds in iraq prior to gwbush's personal war. i wonder if you can even show me some evidence, proof, prints or witnesses to the recent killings of those poor albanian children in the river. wasn't a man taken to jail over this, and then release on lack of evidence.
    i wonder if you think that evidence just appears out of thin air. do you think investigators stumble over evidence before they start investigating. are the archeologists or something? do they randomly dig, hoping to find some evidence, and then start to formulate something.
    can someone here please explain how the chain of command works, or how the chain of evidence works? do police officers who are investigating a murder just walk out side and ask the neighbours if they feel that what they've uncovered is substantial enough evicdence, or do you armchair advocates hear about the evidence when the rest of the world does.

    i hope that this panel of experts can explain it to me because it seems that the order of things i have in my head is all backwards. i assumed that when a person is suspected or criminal acts, then do the investigators start to look for evidence of said acts, and if evidence isuncovered they present that evidence to appropriate legal circles and not so much newspapers and blogsphere titans. then if there is enough to convict, they proceed, and from there the evidence is present to a judge and jury for judgement.

    just please show us some cases where evidence is made public before the case is started, where lists of witnesses are written in the newyork times, or washington post, or the guardian.
    one.
    (bobmackenzie, 16 March 2011 18:54)
  16. The serb camp once again is smoking out Charlie Sheen's pipe. Wake up kids, this is the real world.

    As one famous lawyer said, if the glove doesn't fit, than you must acquit.

    EVIDENCE or GTFO!!!



    Thanks,
    (KOSO, 16 March 2011 16:28)
  17. This is so ridiculous. The Albanians on this site make it sound like the criminals in Kosovo are too innocent to do such a thing. Your brothers are well known in the world for their cruelty, so Marty's allegations should not be surprising to anybody.

    I found this comment below that was made on this website showing the evil that Albanian criminals are capable of. They are world renowned.

    ----
    Look at these news articles talking about the Albanian Mafia in other countries in Europe or in the United States. In the news links below, there are statements like
    "they commit the cruelest felonies"
    or "Pimps have always used violence but these Albanian gangs are truly vicious."
    or "They are a hardened group, operating with reckless abandon"
    or "His victims told how even the slightest dissent was met with beatings and rape"
    or "FBI officials said Russian and many other organized crime groups operating in the United States are much more sophisticated and less violent than the Albanians."
    or "The Albanian criminal enterprises, operating largely in New York and other Eastern seaboard cities, represent a major challenge to federal agents because of their propensity for violence and brutality"
    and also from one of the articles, from the words of one of the Albanian Mafia members "We can use guns, we control the prostitutes in Soho and we are investing in London heavily. We fear no one and the law cannot do anything to stop us."
    and even as far back as 1985 in a Wall Street Journal article, this quote "Violence within the Albanian community can be particularly brutal"

    [link]
    [link]
    [link]
    [link]
    [link]
    [link]
    ----
    (Crna Ruka, 16 March 2011 16:28)
  18. EULEX prosecutors studying Marty report means they have nothing but trying to "come up" with something.
    (ivan, 16 March 2011 16:15)
  19. "If there is no smoke there is no gun."
    (Kosova-USA, 16 March 2011 14:24)

    True, on the other hand, there's so much smoke everywhere, and still people deny there is a fire burning.
    (Top, 16 March 2011 16:04)
  20. To this day, Marty is unable to provide a single piece of evidence.
    (Kosova-USA, 16 March 2011 10:10)
    --
    You so-called "Kosova" is the only place in the region that doesn't have a witness protection system. Why is that?

    Once we get a proper witness protection system in place then the evidence will be revealed.
    (Zoran, 16 March 2011 14:31)
  21. NATO provided the evidence by way of a leaked document. Have you even read the Marty report or do you just say things you know nothing about?
    (American Eagle, 16 March 2011 11:27)

    I can write you a nice report based on your imagination, but will it be credible enough in the eye of beholder!?
    If there is no smoke there is no gun.
    (Kosova-USA, 16 March 2011 14:24)
  22. Go away USELEX, you don't have the mandate to investigate this matter as it extends beyond KiM's borders. They are probably attempting to track down the witnesses so they can be disposed of and then throw the case out due to lack of evidence. I think Marty will outsmart them though.
    (Zoran, 16 March 2011 14:16)
  23. Can one of you Serb-ophiles provide any evidence or at least 1 name of 1 victim?

    If you have, please send it immediatelly to EULEX, UN, EP, ...

    Tung
    (FREEDOM, 16 March 2011 10:46)

    Right on. I have said it before and will say it again on this site; If there is no victim there is no prepetrator.

    @Ataman,
    I know the difference, but you cannot conduct an investigation on any type of crime if you don't find a print, or a clue so as to follow the lead on the said investigation. Here we got no victims(meaning, concrete names of them+who was recepian of the said organs, which is not that hard to trace, and witnessess are all made up by Serbia/Russia/Marty, and beleive me if these horrible things happened, what makes you think that witnessess were spared to tell their story?). Think logically Ataman.
    (Agim Kelmendi, 16 March 2011 13:35)
  24. Marty advocated against Kosovo independence and against Nato bombing of Serbia in 1999. That tells everything about him. He is a small russian puppet wich has no moral.


    This raport is maufactured in Moscow and Belgrade and is just a failed attemnt to discredit the good image of Kosovo worldwide. But as all attempt coming from Belgrade wich are pointed against Kosovo will fail just as they all have done in the past.

    Kosovo will prevail and this Martyraport will only make it stronger!!
    (Demi, 16 March 2011 13:27)
  25. I can already see how the orgainization of EULEX that might as well be called NATO is going to white wash the whole organ trafficking report.

    All i can say is that Dick Marty is a Swiss politican that represents a country that was one of the first to recognize the independence of Kosovo.

    So why would a professonal like Dick Marty make up stories about organ harvesting if it weren't true?

    The truth of the matter will have to be hidden as the truth represents the wrong doing of all countries that were involved in bombing Serbia, resulting in the dismemberment of Kosovo.

    Please see the link below for a better insight of the Western will to hide the truth.
    [link]
    (Another Canadian Serb, 16 March 2011 12:18)
  26. of his allegations.

    To this day, Marty is unable to provide a single piece of evidence. Question is, how long will EULEX wait before it comes publicly to say that Marty's report is worth=toilet paper.
    (Kosova-USA, 16 March 2011 10:10)

    There is a fine difference between the word "allegation" and "evidence". Evidence is what Eulex and likes have to find if allegations look serious enough. EP and many other bodies found them serious enough to consider and want to start the investigation which should bring the evidence.
    (Ataman, 16 March 2011 11:35)
  27. After the humiliating first round of re-integration negotiations, the last thing the Albanians need is an investigation by EULEX, which has turned against them before. EULEX works for Serbs in practice so I predict an investigation only IF Albanians make problems with us during negotiations.
    (highduke, 16 March 2011 11:32)
  28. Kosovo-Usuk,

    NATO provided the evidence by way of a leaked document. Have you even read the Marty report or do you just say things you know nothing about?
    (American Eagle, 16 March 2011 11:27)
  29. They (EULEX) will investigate the report, not the allegations because there is no evidence.

    Can one of you Serb-ophiles provide any evidence or at least 1 name of 1 victim?

    If you have, please send it immediatelly to EULEX, UN, EP, ...

    Tung
    (FREEDOM, 16 March 2011 10:46)
  30. Marnhac also said that he and EULEX prosecutors had approached Marty, after his report was published in the Council of Europe, and asked him to provide them with all of his allegations.

    To this day, Marty is unable to provide a single piece of evidence. Question is, how long will EULEX wait before it comes publicly to say that Marty's report is worth=toilet paper.
    (Kosova-USA, 16 March 2011 10:10)

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