1. It's not my fault why you are ignorant of how the crime of genocide is defined by the international community
    CTC1

    What you're saying is that the EU parliament or the governments of France or Germany amongst many others are ignorant of your definition of genocide.You should hang your head in shame.
    (Leonidas, 29 April 2015 11:25)

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  2. It is the intent that determines whether certain acts can be defined as the crime of genocide, not the number of those killed.
    (icj1, 28 April 2015 00:23)

    Any ignorant Albanian apologist of the Armenian genocide will make such a claim
    (Leonidas, 28 April 2015 14:07)

    Of course, similar to the rest of the international community which makes the same claim :) because the number of people killed is not an element of the crime of genocide. It's not my fault why you are ignorant of how the crime of genocide is defined by the international community and you are a nobody for us to take your definition especially since you are a certified lier in these forums.
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    but let me tell you what is intent and what were the real events that took place. [...] The Ottoman tactics were used in 1939 by Adolf Hitler, on his way toward the "final solution" for the Jewish people, made this statement of his plans in Poland:"I have placed my death-head formations in readiness - for the present only in the East - with orders to them to send to death mercilessly and without compassion , men, women, and children of Polish derivation and language.Who, after all, speaks today of the annihilation of the Armenians"?
    (Leonidas, 28 April 2015 14:07)

    Of course, like they were used by Stalin to kill even more Russians than what Hitler did, etc.

    Anyway, I'm not questioning the events you described, so not sure why you had to waste your time :)
    (icj1, 29 April 2015 03:06)

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  3. Lemkin defined Genocide as: a coordinated plan of different actions aiming at the destruction of essential foundations of the life of national groups, with the aim of annihilating the groups themselves. The objectives of such a plan would be the disintegration of the political and social institutions, of culture, language, national feelings, religion, and the economic existence of national groups, and the destruction of the personal security, liberty, health, dignity, and even the lives of the individuals belonging to such groups.

    Now was that not the center theme of Milosevic's goal of the Albanians in Kosovo?
    (just wondering, 29 April 2015 02:46)

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  4. It is the intent that determines whether certain acts can be defined as the crime of genocide, not the number of those killed.
    (icj1, 28 April 2015 00:23)

    Any ignorant Albanian apologist of the Armenian genocide will make such a claim but let me tell you what is intent and what were the real events that took place.The Armenians were told they would be "resettled" in other lands of the Ottoman empire, before being deliberately sent on death marches of rape, pillage and mass slaughter across the deserts during the First World War.Their homes and property were confiscated, hundreds of thousands of Armenian men were separated and slaughtered with knives and axes in ravines by "special units" of the Ottoman government while their women and children were robbed, violated, starved to death and butchered by the roadside.Furthermore, in the northern Syrian desert the Ottomans engineered the first primitive gas chambers by driving thousands of Armenians into rock caves and asphyxiating them by lighting bonfires at the entrances.The Ottoman tactics were used in 1939 by Adolf Hitler, on his way toward the "final solution" for the Jewish people, made this statement of his plans in Poland:"I have placed my death-head formations in readiness - for the present only in the East - with orders to them to send to death mercilessly and without compassion , men, women, and children of Polish derivation and language.Who, after all, speaks today of the annihilation of the Armenians"?
    (Leonidas, 28 April 2015 14:07)

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  5. "We didn't force Africans to become our slaves"

    Please tell me you're not serious
    (Nikolle, 28 April 2015 10:19)

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  6. On the contrary, the term "Golliwog" is a well known offensive racist slur. A "Golliwog" is not an "African doll", it is a black face minstrel (white people dressing up as back people) doll. The minstrel scene is no longer active as it was deeply offensive towards black people
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    Yes, it is an insult in the US because that is your history and your shame. The rest of the world doesn't see golliwog as an insult. There are many for sale here in Australia and when we paint our faces black and pretend to be Michael Jackson in a comedy show it is not meant to be an insult. So you see it's debatable if golliwood is racist or not. It's clearly not racist here in Australia. We didn't force Africans to become our slaves.
    (Peggy, 28 April 2015 03:05)

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  7. More like: Serbs that committed a massacre in Bosnia and still deny it was a genocide have a deep understanding for Turkey that doesn't like the word 'genocide' being used for the killings and deportation of 100.000s of Armenians, neither.
    (Comm. Parrisson, 27 April 2015 10:40)
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    Are you seriously comparing 1.5 million dead against 8000 at best of males who were involved in fighting against the Serbs? Did you forget that women and children were allowed to get on busses and leave? How does that make it genocide? Just because the west needs to have it established as that doesn't make it so.
    Have a think about it for a while.
    (Peggy, 28 April 2015 02:47)

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  8. Of course, because that's the logic of international criminal law. It is the intent that determines whether certain acts can be defined as the crime of genocide, not the number of those killed. If somebody tomorrow launches a nuke for testing and accidently kills 5 million people, that is a crime but not genocide. If somebody kills a single person with the intent of destroying even in part an ethnic group, that is a crime of genocide. Unfortunately, we can't change international criminal law because it does not match with what you have in your head.
    (icj1, 28 April 2015 00:23)
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    Playing with words now are we?
    First of all you need to establish intent and prove it in which case you have to take into account circumstances that led to it. Was dropping bombs on Japan a crime or genocide?
    (Peggy, 28 April 2015 02:38)

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  9. But I certainly agree that the mass killing of Armenians by Turkey in 1915 was a great catastrophe and a terrible slaughter as Obama acknowledged.

    As for Erdogan complaining that others committed crimes too, he is no better than some posters in these forums who respond to the Srebrenica genocide with statements that crimes were committed against Serbs, too...
    (icj1,

    I was more than certain of your Albanian mindset. Sebrenica with 8000 reported deaths is a genocide but the Armenian one with 1.5 million deaths is a great catastrophe.
    (Leonidas, 27 April 2015 10:12)

    Of course, because that's the logic of international criminal law. It is the intent that determines whether certain acts can be defined as the crime of genocide, not the number of those killed. If somebody tomorrow launches a nuke for testing and accidently kills 5 million people, that is a crime but not genocide. If somebody kills a single person with the intent of destroying even in part an ethnic group, that is a crime of genocide. Unfortunately, we can't change international criminal law because it does not match with what you have in your head.
    (icj1, 28 April 2015 00:23)

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  10. Leonidas, 27 April 2015 15:27)

    I agree.

    Enver Pasha and his 2 cohorts (the 3 pashas-architects of the Armenian genocide), if I remember correctly, escaped to Germany to save their lives. One of them got out of Turkey in german submarine.
    (Roger7, 27 April 2015 22:28)

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  11. (Roger7, 27 April 2015 14:34)

    You’re correct Roger,the US has interests and not friends but what I would like to add is what I call the decisive factor in the Armenian genocide which is Germany which had undertaken the re-organisation of the Ottoman state prior to World War I.The commanders of the Ottoman-Turkish army were German field marshals, generals and admirals and one would think that the genocide wouldn't have taken place without German knowledge and consent. Enver Pasha –the ruler of the Ottoman State-was a personal protégé of Kaiser Wilhelm II and he was used by the Germans against Russia France ,Britain and their allies. The Armenians stood in between the Ottomans and the Kurds and therefore the Armenian genocide served the wartime aims of German imperialism.Finally,the recognition of The Armenian genocide as such will cost Turkey tens of billions in compensation and probably large swaths of land.
    (Leonidas, 27 April 2015 15:27)

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  12. Leonidas,

    Then presidential candidate Obama, pandering for the Armenian vote, said in 2008 “Armenian genocide is not an allegation, a personal opinion or a point of view, but rather a widely documented fact supported by an overwhelming body of historical evidence. The facts are undeniable,” he said at the time. “As president I will recognize the Armenian genocide.”

    Facts be damned. US/Turkey relations are more important than the truth.
    (Roger7, 27 April 2015 14:34)

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  13. "I am amazed that B92 allows the terms "Golliwog" when referring to Obama and "mullah" when referring to Erdogan. This is racist and descriminatory against both Afro-Americans and against muslims. "
    (Tony (a Brit in Berlin), 24 April 2015 23:26)

    More like calling Erdogan Mullah who is abusing religion for his nationalist extremism and personal enrichment is an insult for the Islam.
    (Comm. Parrisson, 27 April 2015 10:44)

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  14. "He addressed the gathering to say that Serbia, having itself suffered in wars, has a deep understanding of the suffering of Armenians."

    More like: Serbs that committed a massacre in Bosnia and still deny it was a genocide have a deep understanding for Turkey that doesn't like the word 'genocide' being used for the killings and deportation of 100.000s of Armenians, neither.
    (Comm. Parrisson, 27 April 2015 10:40)

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  15. But I certainly agree that the mass killing of Armenians by Turkey in 1915 was a great catastrophe and a terrible slaughter as Obama acknowledged.

    As for Erdogan complaining that others committed crimes too, he is no better than some posters in these forums who respond to the Srebrenica genocide with statements that crimes were committed against Serbs, too...
    (icj1,

    I was more than certain of your Albanian mindset. Sebrenica with 8000 reported deaths is a genocide but the Armenian one with 1.5 million deaths is a great catastrophe.
    (Leonidas, 27 April 2015 10:12)

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  16. Leonidas, i also remember your tirades against muslims invading Europe, the dangers that they pose to Europe etc etc. So, please speak as much as you want about the crimes against muslims committed by the US, from your mouth it would be just hypocrisy.
    (Reader, 27 April 2015 03:29)

    Your analogy is great,comparing illegal immigration with invasions and bombings.I am not sure whether you read current affairs articles but if you did you'd probably have noticed that what I was saying three or four years ago regarding uncontrolled islamic immigration into europe is repeated by British politicians in their pre-election campaign and across the rest of the EU.Are they racist?I still do not have your views on the Armenian genocide.
    (Leonidas, 27 April 2015 10:07)

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  17. (rote, 26 April 2015 09:52)

    LOL, rote i very well remember the term "jewish nazis" introduced by you to describe....hear.....hear....hear....Ukrainians. Not "zionist nazis", "jewish nazis". You should talk to your jewish friends about that. It is so entartaining to see such pervertion of logic and rationality.

    Leonidas, i also remember your tirades against muslims invading Europe, the dangers that they pose to Europe etc etc. So, please speak as much as you want about the crimes against muslims committed by the US, from your mouth it would be just hypocrisy.
    (Reader, 27 April 2015 03:29)

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  18. Your Wikipedia lesson is much appreciated but what's your view on Obama and Erdogan's refusal to acknowledge the Armenian massacre as genocide?
    (Leonidas, 26 April 2015 11:19)

    Np, you are welcome. As for your question, it does not make sense. It's like asking for directions to the edge of the Earth!!! The Earth does not have an edge...

    So, I have no idea what it means to acknowledge a crime committed in 1915 as a crime that did not exist in 1915!!!

    But I certainly agree that the mass killing of Armenians by Turkey in 1915 was a great catastrophe and a terrible slaughter as Obama acknowledged.

    As for Erdogan complaining that others committed crimes too, he is no better than some posters in these forums who respond to the Srebrenica genocide with statements that crimes were committed against Serbs, too...
    (icj1, 27 April 2015 01:23)

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  19. icj said, "Golliwog is correct to label it as "terrible slaughter" since the crime of genocide did not exist in 1915."

    Ridiculous!
    (Roger7, 26 April 2015 23:58)

    I agree. I have no doubts that my statement is ridiculous to people like you who apparently are not aware that the number 1915 is smaller than 1948.
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    The origin of the word cancer was first noted by Hippocrates 460-370 BC. The oldest description of this disease (without using the word cancer) dates back to 3000 BC in Egyptian text. Using your flawed logic, cancer could not have existed before Hippocrates.
    (Roger7, 26 April 2015 23:58)

    Not sure what you are talking about mate. I was talking about the crime of genocide. The crime of cancer did not exist before Hippocrates and does not exist even today.
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    The killing of Christians by ISIS is not something new. Ottoman Turks and other fanatical Muslims, with their Pan-Islamism ideology, have been slaughtering non-Muslims for a very long time.
    (Roger7, 26 April 2015 23:58)

    Yup, that's correct. So you are confirming that Golliwog was correct to say "terrible slaughter".
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    The acts committed against the Armenians meet the definition of genocide.
    (Roger7, 26 April 2015 23:58)

    There was no definition of the crime of genocide until 1948 so obviously acts committed in 1915 could not meet a definition that did not exist at that time. Again, the number 1915 is smaller than 1948 and time only flows forward - it's a law of nature!
    (icj1, 27 April 2015 01:03)

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  20. icj said, "Golliwog is correct to label it as "terrible slaughter" since the crime of genocide did not exist in 1915."

    Ridiculous!

    The origin of the word cancer was first noted by Hippocrates 460-370 BC. The oldest description of this disease (without using the word cancer) dates back to 3000 BC in Egyptian text. Using your flawed logic, cancer could not have existed before Hippocrates.

    The killing of Christians by ISIS is not something new. Ottoman Turks and other fanatical Muslims, with their Pan-Islamism ideology, have been slaughtering non-Muslims for a very long time.

    The acts committed against the Armenians meet the definition of genocide.
    (Roger7, 26 April 2015 23:58)

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  21. We all know you are a racist and that B92 lets you say whatever you want. same category as our antisemitic friend rote, and the dragoljub djerkoffovic guy that talks about Satan. In fact, you often write together, it seems you are activated by the same topics, usually involving putin, russia, or east/west bs :).
    (Reader

    If I were a racist (unlike the Albanian crowd on this site) I wouldn't be shouting from the top of the roof for the crimes your US friends have and still committing in Iraq,Afganistan,Libya ,Syria and Ukraine.Your clan loyalty to US and your historical and cultural ties with Turkey doesn't allow you to criticise their crimes.It's true that I post on articles whose context is in the geopolitical sphere unlike yours which is mainly concentrated on your nationalist delusions of grandeur ( greater Albania)etc.
    (Leonidas, 26 April 2015 11:32)

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  22. Hmm... the crime of genocide did not exist until 1948 so Golliwog is correct to label it as "terrible slaughter" since the crime of genocide did not exist in 1915.

    You should be aware that the number 1915 is smaller than 1948 and time flows forward not backward - it's a law of nature :)
    (icj1,

    Your Wikipedia lesson is much appreciated but what's your view on Obama and Erdogan's refusal to acknowledge the Armenian massacre as genocide?
    (Leonidas, 26 April 2015 11:19)

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  23. same category as our antisemitic friend rote, and the dragoljub djerkoffovic guy that talks about Satan. In fact, you often write together, it seems you are activated by the same topics, usually involving putin, russia, or east/west bs :). (Reader, 25 )

    Thank you for remembering even if this way but the truth is that I am not an anti-Semite, to be exact I am an anti-Zionist. Those are very different things. Say Zionists were a very important part of Holocaust otherwise the Nazi would fail to kill above a million of the innocent. In 1933 Zionists made about 3% of the German Jews and almost none of them has suffered during Holocaust. They had their newspapers , they served in the army and they were evacuated when they needed. Inside the concentration camps and the ghettos they executed very important functions helping the Nazi. For instance they compiled detailed lists of the Jews and it increased the volume of the killed. All because German Jews usually had German second names while Jewish first names were often used also by the common Germans like Joseph Goebbels. Also by the end of WW2 Zionists had 130 000 men and women strong army in Palestine and they never made an attempt to join the war. It’s the short list of what I hate in the Zionists. But it has little to do to common Jews whom I have among my friends. As for Leonidas we have big differences on some of the issues as well as we stick together on many others. And I really like his radicalism.
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  24. I don't like Obama or Edrogen as they are war criminals and with their partnership they have blood on their hands in Syria, Iraq, Turkey, Kurdistan, and Lybia. This is what they should be accountable for; Human suffering for the sake of power. Theirs is a legacy of murder. Therefore, it is absolutely wrong to use bigoted terms such as golliwog to criticize them because it perpetuates race guilt and diminishes valid criticisms of their despicable choices in life.

    Obama does not have blood on his hands because he is an "African doll" and Edrogen does not have blood on his hands because he is a muslim. They have blood on their hands because that is what they chose for themselves.
    (marKo, 25 April 2015 21:44)

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  25. U.S. President Barack Obama described the massacres as terrible slaughter, but avoided the term genocide.

    Golliwog is a cowardly and frivolous president whose sole ambition is to appear as a good guest on late-night comedy talk shows.His refusal to describe the events of 1915 as a genocide encourages mullah Erdogan in his denial of the Armenian Genocide.
    (Leonidas, 24 April 2015 13:56)

    Hmm... the crime of genocide did not exist until 1948 so Golliwog is correct to label it as "terrible slaughter" since the crime of genocide did not exist in 1915.

    You should be aware that the number 1915 is smaller than 1948 and time flows forward not backward - it's a law of nature :)
    (icj1, 25 April 2015 20:09)

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  26. (Leonidas, 25 April 2015 10:58)
    No need to sugarcoat what you said. We all know you are a racist and that B92 lets you say whatever you want. same category as our antisemitic friend rote, and the dragoljub djerkoffovic guy that talks about Satan. In fact, you often write together, it seems you are activated by the same topics, usually involving putin, russia, or east/west bs :).
    (Reader, 25 April 2015 17:38)

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  27. John Wilks you had better stick to reading comics my friend you'll find more truth in them than you appear to have found in the literature you have exposed yourself to.
    (The Helpful Historian, 25 April 2015 16:10)

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  28. With regard to the term "Golliwog", which in fact describes an African doll,I used it to describe Obama's inaction on the issue of the Armenian genocide( a doll doesn't move).Obama has said many times being proud of his African heritage.Finally, it seems to me that as far as you're concerned Obama & Erdogan's reputations are more important than the massacre of 1.5 million Armenians.
    (Leonidas, 25 April 2015 10:58)

    On the contrary, the term "Golliwog" is a well known offensive racist slur. A "Golliwog" is not an "African doll", it is a black face minstrel (white people dressing up as back people) doll. The minstrel scene is no longer active as it was deeply offensive towards black people. You really think that because Obama is proud of his African heritage, it is acceptable to refer to him as a black face minstrel doll?

    I don't find any type of ethnic/ racist hate acceptable, regardless if it is a racist insult towards a black man or the genocide of Armenians.
    (Michael Brown, 25 April 2015 13:47)

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  29. This event was truly a tragedy of biblical poportions, it was an attempt to ethnically cleanse an entire people. The same fate may have been inflicted on the Balkan Christians if it were not for the strength of our nations per capita during these terrible times. It's a dam shame in the end we turned those guns against each other during the collapse of the Ottoman Empire, second Balkan war, first and second world wars. 100 years later history repeats in Ukraine, western Anglo powers stirring up trouble for its own political and economic objectives.. These powers supported the ottomans and now support other facist groups. Until us orthodox people figure this out we will never move forward, we are way to divided, our western friends have never had our interest at hand.. It's common sense. Though with the Wests growing restless minority will give these nations a good taste of what we have and are going through. Time is ticking and the numbers speaks for itself.
    (Bulgar of Ohrid, 25 April 2015 12:22)

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  30. I am amazed that B92 allows the terms "Golliwog" when referring to Obama and "mullah" when referring to Erdogan. This is racist and descriminatory against both Afro-Americans and against muslims.
    By allowinmg these terms B92 is condoning racism.
    (Tony (a Brit in Berlin)

    On the contrary B92 is more knowledgeable than yourself to know the term "Mullah" ,far from being racist, is commonly used in the Western press ie describing the Iranian leadership.You can also look it up in a dictionary to see its definition.The following is a definition given in the Merriam-Webster dictionary " an educated Muslim trained in religious law and doctrine and usually holding an official post".Is this definition derogative to Erdogan? With regard to the term "Golliwog", which in fact describes an African doll,I used it to describe Obama's inaction on the issue of the Armenian genocide( a doll doesn't move).Obama has said many times being proud of his African heritage.Finally, it seems to me that as far as you're concerned Obama & Erdogan's reputations are more important than the massacre of 1.5 million Armenians.
    (Leonidas, 25 April 2015 10:58)

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  31. Eastern Orthodox people who have suffered in the past and continue to suffer today! Boze Pravde i Gospode Pomiluj!!! (Dragoljub Djurkovic)

    If we talk about the Ottoman Empire you are right only it is the period of 19-20 centuries. Before that Orthodox peoples here felt quite comfortable while people of Turk and Arab origyn for centuries were discriminated minorities. Not much discriminated though and never massacred. All the famous Sultans before 1702 were burried either in Adrianopol or the St. Sophia Church but always according to the Orthodox Christian rules. Before 1613 when German puppet Romanovs seized power in Moscow Russia (Great Horde) and Turkey (Ataman Empire) were one Empire that ruled the whole world. But after the bloody coup in Moscow Europe and Russia were united against the Atamans (Ottomans). It stimulated the split between Islam and Christianity and worsened the life of the Orthodox people there. Romanovs and Europe had many reasons to fight the Ottomans and most often the Balkan peoples fought on the Osman side. Because they in a great degree composed the elite of the Empire. Only since late 19 century the Balkan peoples started to take part in wars on the European/Russian side. Because since early 19 century things changed for worse and Christians all over the Empire were discriminated and even massacred. Then came the horrible 1915 when millions of the Greeks, the Armenians, Ezids, Assirians and other Christians were massacred.
    (rote, 25 April 2015 08:11)

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  32. President Nikolic who took part in committing genocide in Bosnia is taking part. Who says Serbs aren't funny?
    (Avni, 25 April 2015 01:19)

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  33. The United Christian Eastern Orthodox People of the World! Only in this way do we have a chance to survive and thrive! Divided we fall, united we stand! Who will understand us if we are divided amoung our selves and don't respect one another? We Christian Eastern Orthodox people have been suffering for ages now, a new era upon us all, liberty and peace will be ours only if we choose to accept and honor it. April 24, 1915, yes every Christian Eastern Orthodox human being must know and remember the horific death and destruction of a innocent people, White Sheep Angels so Pure! Many non believers question my comments especially regarding Satanism, well all I can say is any one who doubts my words look and understand history and present times and tell me the Devil does not exist! Satan today continues in denial, will never acknoledge the innocent blood and tears of all Christian Eastern Orthodox people who have suffered in the past and continue to suffer today! Boze Pravde i Gospode Pomiluj!!!
    (Dragoljub Djurkovic, 25 April 2015 00:10)

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  34. I am amazed that B92 allows the terms "Golliwog" when referring to Obama and "mullah" when referring to Erdogan. This is racist and descriminatory against both Afro-Americans and against muslims.
    By allowinmg these terms B92 is condoning racism.
    (Tony (a Brit in Berlin), 24 April 2015 23:26)

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  35. So, for all those satanic, wicked and ruthless comments and posts that will start poping up from the Devil regarding this artical of yet another tragedy of our Christian Eastern Orthodox Brothers and Sisters, it is true, it did happen and it is still happening to us Eastern Orthodoc Christians! During the last centruy and up until now, how many tears and blood fell from us Eastern Orthodox Christians? If you notice how Satan continues to be in full denial of all this!
    (Dragoljub Djurkovic, 24 April 2015 19:59)

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  36. and therefore prevents the future generations from knowing/accepting the truth and understanding accurate Ottoman/Armenian history.
    (Leonidas, 24 April 2015 13:56)

    You seem to be a backward greek who still lives in anciant Greece.Time to wake up kirios it is the 21st century and it is up to AIPAC and ADL to decide what is genocide and what is not.Just to make it clear, if two guys are hit by a car in Dohány street that is genocide and not when 1.5 armenians are massacred. And do not dare to write anything bad about obama. After all similarly to us proud EU citizens(copyright Mircea) he has recieved Nobel peace prize.This genious has done a lot to solve the palestinian-israeli conflict for good and brought ethernal peace to the Middle East .
    (szemi, 24 April 2015 19:36)

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  37. Why does Serbia as it started the wars in the Balkans apologise for the atrocities that it committed especially in the last war in Kosovo.

    I am finding it hard to believe how a nation that last so many in ww1 and ww2 then itself commit such brutal crimes against civilian men women and children!!!!
    (John Wilks, 24 April 2015 18:25)

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  38. Thank you for attending Tomislav, those of us descended from survivors of the Armenian genocide appreciate it.
    (Andy UK, 24 April 2015 17:06)

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  39. U.S. President Barack Obama described the massacres as terrible slaughter, but avoided the term genocide.

    Golliwog is a cowardly and frivolous president whose sole ambition is to appear as a good guest on late-night comedy talk shows.His refusal to describe the events of 1915 as a genocide encourages mullah Erdogan in his denial of the Armenian Genocide.Consequently,Erdogan continues brainwashing his citizens, corrupting the education system and spreading his lies through ignorance and cowardice and therefore prevents the future generations from knowing/accepting the truth and understanding accurate Ottoman/Armenian history.
    (Leonidas, 24 April 2015 13:56)

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