1. How a pirate has fun?
    What a pirate does eat?
    What a pirate does drink?
    How a pirate does sing?
    How a pirate does dress?
    how a pirate does dance?

    Ever visited Istria, Dalmatia, Montenegro?

    So who was the Illyrian pirate in classic (Greko-Roman) ancient times?

    And why navy commanders on all warring sides weren't Albanian until 18th century?
    Do Albanians have a collective forgetfulness regarding all things about navigating seas - or maybe they aren't Illyrians?

    Questions, questions.

    And everyone knows the answer. Except that 0.01%.
    (Ataman, 9 October 2016 04:55)

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  2. Leonidas,

    What we learned is something what looks at begin being the opposite what you say - but the result is the same at the end. I.e. modern-day Albanians are related to MOST if NOT ALL ancient people of the Balkans. That means... they aren't direct descendants of any particular group. Pretty much like Romanians / Vlachs.

    In the ancient times of Hellas these were probably the same people and were regarded as greco-barbarians (i.e. Hellenic-influenced tribes, speaking both the own language and the ancient Greek as lingua franca and living outside of the polis network). They had no writing in own (local) language, so that tells a lot about the historic role and level of development.

    That explains the large number of naive-primitive-style churches around Kastoria as well that everything we know about Albanians or people living in that area ever is written in either Greek or later Latin + Greek.

    Besides of this, I think that today 99.99% of Albanians would be super-happy if Greece would just annex the entire Albania, Kosovo included.

    The 0.01% is barking here on B92 and youtube.
    (Ataman, 9 October 2016 04:12)

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  3. "Secondly everyone knows that greeks committed ethnic cleansing in Chameri."

    LOL! Most of the world never heard of Chameri and could not even locate Albania on a map.
    (Gerhard, 4 October 2016 18:01)

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  4. Did you just discover now that Albania and Macedonia are artificial creations like Serbia, Greece, and the rest of the countries?! Nature does not create countries, mate! They are all artificial man-made creations.
    (icj1,

    You need to refer yourself to a dictionary to see the definitions of artificial and non-artificial states and then try to apply it to the states above.Until you do that stick to your colouring books.
    (Leonidas, 4 October 2016 10:12)

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  5. The funny thing about the Albanians is that when they lose their argument and they don't have a leg to stand on they re-appear again on the same article under new assumed IDs.Let me repeat again what I've said few times before.There isn't any SERIOUS MODERN HISTORIAN who considers that Albanians have any relation to ancient peoples of the Balkans.Period.
    (Leonidas, 4 October 2016 10:07)

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  6. The right of people of the same ethnicity to be united is universal, the term greater Albania is used intensionaly wrong instead Real Albania should be used . Cham issue not only exist but in this kind of injustice always is price back to pay sooner or latter. The genocid toward Albanians will never be forgotten in the north and in the south
    (Dodona, 3 October 2016 17:17)

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  7. You are trying to play the smart, Leonidas? Do you know what a “colony” is? Exactly that show that those territories were not Greek.
    What about Roman colonies, British, Spanish.
    And what about Turkish colonies, where Greeks were part of?
    (Ellada, 3 October 2016 16:12)

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  8. @ Leonidas
    Colonies? Now i see that Albanians have right.More and more Greece lose credibility.
    (Phil, 3 October 2016 10:00)

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  9. Albania is as much of an artificial creation as Fyrom
    (Leonidas, 1 October 2016 13:44)

    Did you just discover now that Albania and Macedonia are artificial creations like Serbia, Greece, and the rest of the countries?! Nature does not create countries, mate! They are all artificial man-made creations.
    (icj1, 3 October 2016 00:36)

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  10. Ciao Teodoro :)
    (Giuseppe, 2 October 2016 21:42)

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  11. FYI Leonida Lissus(Lezhe in Albanian) is in North Albanian.
    From Wikipedia
    Lezhë (Albanian: Lezha or Lezhë, Albanian pronunciation: [ˈlɛʒə]; Italian: Alessio, Greek: Λισσός, Lissòs, Turkish: Leº) is a town and municipality in northwest Albania, in the county with the same name. In ancient history it was an ancient Greek colony named Lissus. The latter is an Archaeological Park of Albania.
    Dyrrhachion(Durrazo in Italian or Durres in Albanian) is not near South Albanian.
    From Wikipedia
    The ancient Greek[1] city of Epidamnus or Epidamnos (Greek: Ἐπίδαμνος),[2] later the Roman Dyrrachium (modern Durrës, Albania, c. 30 km W of Tirana) was founded in 627 BC[3] in Illyria by a group of colonists from Corinth and Corcyra (modern Corfu).
    But then all Albanians know their history, Don’t they?
    (Leonidas, 2 October 2016 19:57)

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  12. It is funny that Pondes like you who moved in Greece in 1922
    There is nothing wrong being a Pontiac Greek. they formed part of the ancient Greek diaspora like their fellow Greeks in Southern Albania or Italy.However,Iam not one of them and anybody with an elementary knowledge of history would’ve known that up to 700000 Pontiac Greeks were exterminated by your Turkish brothers from 1914-23.

    Chams are not Turks but 100% Albanian autochthonous.

    Chams were imported by the Ottomans in Epirus. Fabbe, Kristin (18 October 2007). "Defining Minorities and Identities - Religious Categorization and State-Making Strategies in Greece and Turkey" says “When Muslim Chams were to become part of the Greek-Turkish population exchange the majority of the Cham community had no idea of their ethnic origin or preferences beyond that of their local religious affiliations and considered themselves simply Muslims”.
    Only 700 Cham Albanians were accused as Nazi collaborators .

    The problems with the Chams didn’t start with the Nazi invasion but the Ottomans.During the war of independence the Chams formed units of the Ottoman army and were fighting against the Greek army.Albanian bandits were also active against Greek civilians and their atrocities committed in the area of Filiates are well documented.Cham units burned a number of Greek villages: 3 in the vicinity of Preveza (Tsouka, Glyky, Potamia),4in Thesprotia (Alpohori, Manoliasa, Keramitsa, Fortopia) as well as Sarande and Delvina.
    (Leonidas, 2 October 2016 19:42)

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  13. Dyrrhachion,Argyrokastro,Vlore,Appolonia,Chimera,Agioi Saranda,Buthrotum or Butrint and Lissus in Southern Albania...

    FYI Leonida Lissus(Lezhe in Albanian) is in North Albanian.
    Dyrrhachion(Durrazo in Italian or Durres in Albanian) is not near South Albanian.
    But I can not blame you.
    You are Greek from Asia Minor who move to Greece in 1922, where Albanian-Arvanites used to run Greece since 1821.
    A Greek epiriote would never made that mistake.
    It is like saying Moscow is next to Pacific Ocean...
    Grow up and learn by real epiriotes such as myself...
    (Teodor Muzaka 1389, 2 October 2016 09:29)

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  14. (Leonidas, 1 October 2016 13:58)

    It is funny that Pondes like you who moved in Greece in 1922 are teaching Orthodox Albanian Epiriotes like me the history of Albanian and Greece.
    Chams are not Turks but 100% Albanian autochthonous.
    These was admitted by Greek side in 1922 when they agree not to exchange Cham Albanians because they were autochthonous in Threspoti or Chameri.

    Secondly everyone knows that greeks committed ethnic cleansing in Chameri.
    Only 700 Cham Albanians were accused as Nazi collaborators and yet there were at least 25 thousand by Greek sources and 70 thousand by Albanian ones,Cham Albanians who were expelled.
    Make the math and you will find out that 25-70 thousand is way more than 700.
    For the sake of the truth only on June 27, 1944 Greek forces killed 2600 chams in one day, where most of the victims were women and their babies.
    Do you really think that 1 year old babies were collaborating with Nazis?
    Chams were Greek citizens and they want their properties back or financial compensation which varies between 4-6 billion euros.
    So don't tell me the history of my region because I know much better than you!
    You do what you do the best:
    Hate Albanians and cheerlead for Milloshevich, Putin and whoever is pro extermination of Albanians.

    But don't lecture me for my history, because when my ancensters were in Epir yours were in Black Sea.
    (Teodor Muzaka 1389, 2 October 2016 09:14)

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  15. Then why are Kosovo Albanians leaving by the thousands for anywhere other than the Balkans?
    (Paper the Bullwinkle, 30 September 2016 22:32)

    We are not leaving, we are expanding. No matter where we are, we`ll always take care of our hive.
    (Gjon Marku, 1 October 2016 16:54)

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  16. Chams were expelled initially as nazi collaborators by EDES forces after they refused to join them againt ELAS.
    Niko

    That's pure Albanian propaganda and bears no reality to history as recorded by independent sources.British Colonel Chris Woodhouse, head of the Allied Military Mission in Greece during the Axis occupation recorded the following in the British Foreign Office archives:

    "Chams are racially part Turk, part Albanian.In 1941-3 they collaborated with Italians & Germans, making the organization of guerilla resistance in that area difficult. Zervas encouraged by the Allied Mission under myself, chased them out of their homes in 1944 in order to facilitate operations against the enemy. They mostly took refuge in Albania, where they were not popular either. Their eviction from Greece was bloodily carried out, owing the usual vendetta spirit, which was fed by many brutalities committed by the Chams in league with the Italians.The Chams deserved what they got, but Zervas' methods were pretty bad - or rather, his subordinate officers got out of hand. The result has been in effect a shift of populations, removing an unwanted minority from Greek soil. Perhaps it would be best to leave things at that”.

    The above is further corroborated in Mark Mozower's books "Inside Hitler's Greece" and "after the war was over" and you'll see clearly the Cham's role in various atrocities committed in Epirus.
    (Leonidas, 1 October 2016 13:58)

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  17. 1. All, every square millimeter of Albanian land will eventually have to be given back to the Albanian nation!!!
    2. All respirations will have to be made to the Albanian victims by all guilty party's, which would also include Greece!!!
    3. We the Albanian nation are not going to go away, just so you know!!!
    (Peter the Rocky,

    Talking of land lets talk about the ancient Greek cities of Epidamnos, or Dyrrhachion,Argyrokastro,Vlore,Appolonia,Chimera,Agioi Saranda,Buthrotum or Butrint and Lissus in Southern Albania.When the Roman invasion of Epirus in Ancient Greece occurred, the Romans didn't fight any Albanians, but the three Greek native tribes of Epirus: the Thesprotans, the Chaonians and the Molossians.

    Albania is as much of an artificial creation as Fyrom without a history of state building or of establishing unique historical traditions. It emerged as an Austro-Hungarian project in 1913 for the purpose of blocking Serbian expansion in the south of Albania and ever since Albanians have always been dependent on outside assistance to survive. Their entire history before 1913 can be written in less than 100 pages.
    (Leonidas, 1 October 2016 13:44)

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  18. 3. We the Albanian nation are not going to go away, just so you know!!!
    (Peter the Rocky, 30 September 2016 18:51)

    Then why are Kosovo Albanians leaving by the thousands for anywhere other than the Balkans?

    [link]

    Isn't this what your parents did too since you live in the US?

    You really sound like an idiot constantly jerking off to a dream from your location in America.
    (Paper the Bullwinkle, 30 September 2016 22:32)

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  19. Dear B92,
    Please stop spreading lies.
    Albania doesn't have any territorial disputes with Greece. The Greek - Albanian border is settled by an international commission and both countries have ratified the agreements recognize it.
    The Cham issue is purely political. Chams were expelled initially as nazi collaborators by EDES forces after they refused to join them againt ELAS. During the Civil War in Greece, the government declared Chams and other greeks who moved to Albania and other Eastern block countries to have lost their Greek citizenship.
    While other Greeks had their citizenship reinstated in the '70-'80, Chams Albanians' weren't allowed to return.
    Cham issue has to do with reinstatement of the Greek citizenship and return of their properties to them.
    Greek courts in 1947-1953 have sentenced in absentia 700 Cham Albanians as war criminals or nazi collaborators(yet the expelled Chams were over 25,000). The number 700 is more than Italians and Germans war criminal convicted together, indication that the decisions were clearly political.
    (Niko, 30 September 2016 21:36)

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  20. The Albanian question is not just in the closet of Greater-Greece but all its neighboring countries that were enlarged in the early 1900's (and earlier)at the expense of Albanian lands and its people besides the thefts of their legends,histories and culture .

    The Illyrian Ghosts will haunt you forever with its lifelong curse
    (PyrrosUZ, 30 September 2016 21:06)

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  21. 1. All, every square millimeter of Albanian land will eventually have to be given back to the Albanian nation!!!
    2. All respirations will have to be made to the Albanian victims by all guilty party's, which would also include Greece!!!
    3. We the Albanian nation are not going to go away, just so you know!!!
    (Peter the Rocky, 30 September 2016 18:51)

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  22. @B92

    I respect your website. I read and comment in your website. But this article is at least misinformation.

    Chams dispute has nothing to do with any "territorial dispute" or "Great Albania" or any other political fabrication.

    Chams were ethnic Albanians, citizens of Greek Republic who were slaughtered and expelled form their homes, their (Greek) citizenship removed anf their properties confiscated by Greek Government of Zervas at the end of Civil War in Greece.

    The official justification was that Chams were Nazi collaborators. This is what Greek governments claims even today. Greece refuses to discuss about this any further.

    Chams community and Albanian government claim that actually Chams were in majority ELAS supporters. ELAS was an anti-Nazi pro-communist movement in Greece during WWII and anti-US and anti-UK during Civil War in Greece.
    ELAS lost the war, Chams lost their homes. Zervas himself was accused as Nazi collaborators by ELAS, just like Chetniks in Serbia or Ballists in Albania and Kosovo were accused by Yugoslav and Albanian partisans.

    So the Cham dispute is: Were Chams Nazi collaborators or not?
    If they weren`t they should have back their properties and their Greek citizenship.

    If they were, Greek government had the right to do what it did.

    In any case there is no territorial dispute.

    Thank you
    (Free, 30 September 2016 18:41)

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  23. @B92

    I respect your website. I read and comment in your website. But this article is at least misinformation.

    Chams dispute has nothing to do with any "territorial dispute" or "Great Albania" or any other political fabrication.

    Chams were ethnic Albanians, citizens of Greek Republic who were slaughtered and expelled form their homes, their (Greek) citizenship removed anf their properties confiscated by Greek Government of Zervas at the end of Civil War in Greece.

    The official justification was that Chams were Nazi collaborators. This is what Greek governments claims even today. Greece refuses to discuss about this any further.

    Chams community and Albanian government claim that actually Chams were in majority ELAS supporters. ELAS was an anti-Nazi pro-communist movement in Greece during WWII and anti-US and anti-UK during Civil War in Greece.
    ELAS lost the war, Chams lost their homes. Zervas himself was accused as Nazi collaborators by ELAS, just like Chetniks in Serbia or Ballists in Albania and Kosovo were accused by Yugoslav and Albanian partisans.

    So the Cham dispute is: Were Chams Nazi collaborators or not?
    If they weren`t they should have back their properties and their Greek citizenship.

    If they were, Greek government had the right to do what it did.

    In any case there is no territorial dispute.

    Thank you
    (Free, 30 September 2016 18:34)

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  24. EU is getting involved in some kind of dispute?
    It's going to make things much worse.
    (Sreten, 30 September 2016 16:35)

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