PARIS -- Legendary U.S. singer-songwriter Bob Dylan has been sued for "inciting to hatred" by a group representing the Croatian diaspora in France.
Source: Tanjug
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While promoting his album "Tempest", Dylan was interviewed by the Rolling Stone magazine and compared the contemporary United States with the Civil War era, to say that the country was "still obsessed with skin color."
"People at each others’ throats just because they are of a different color. It’s the height of insanity and it will hold any nation back – or any neighborhood back. Or anything back. Blacks know that some whites didn’t want to give up slavery – that is they had their way, they would still be under the yoke, and they can’t pretend they don’t know that," he said, and added:
"If you’ve got a slave master or Klan in your blood, blacks can sense that. That stuff lingers to this day. Just like Jews can sense Nazi blood and the Serbs can sense Croatian blood."
The court in Paris accepted the lawsuit, and a representative of the Croatian association said that they were not demanding "material damages, only Dylan's apology."
It is unclear if the musician plans to show up for the trial.
We've seen the effects of disease since the 1940's.
(victims again, 5 December 2013 19:52)
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Yes, we were victims of your thirst for blood again. Unless we finally learn to cast your lot off as the Cancer you are and never trust you again we will be your victims forever.
The disease is called Ustashaterrors and you are riddled with it. Your hate is only surpassed by something supernatural.
Eventually you will be brought to justice. Do as you wish but not for as long as you wish.
(Peggy, 5 December 2013 23:56)
Stop it ladies and gentleman. No matter how hard you try to educate these people it's hopeless.
There's no cure for Chetnicosis. It's a disease that if not treated early in life will eat whatever is left of the human brain.
We've seen the effects of disease since the 1940's.
(victims again, 5 December 2013 19:52)
Oh my dear lenny. Carl gone to Iceland, miss your friend do you?
99/100 histories and historians will agree to your aesopian fabels?
Wrong! I alone represent 3 of those hundred, and web across the Internet I can smell you bull droppings every time you write. I say beat lap dogs ever?... Answer is:... Ante Pavalic and his ragtag group of lap dogs were forever hitlers biggest fans. They even all had the 3-5 posters on their walls, dreaming dreamy thoughts of the 3rd reich hopin one day to be called to the big boy table they set out on a mission to impress their German superstars' by trying to make their ironclad stomachs to turn at the sight of what Croatia could and would do.
Lenny, it's always fun reading your fiction. I hope you've collected it all. You can make the Jonny Carson show with your sense of humour.
(Disopatjicolony, 3 December 2013 14:37)
In the 1991-95 Croatian War, the Croats had 13,583 casualties. In the 1992-95 Bosnian War, Bosniaks has 31,270 soldier and 33,071 civilian casualties. In the 1999 Kosovo War, the Albanians had 10,533 casualties.
Compare that to the the brutal Croatian WW2 mass extermination campaign which resulted in anywhere between 580,000 to 700,000 Serbian victims, murdered in the most medieval and bestial ways imaginable - German commanders in the area regularly reported their disgust.
The Croatian genocide campaign was unprecedented for the Balkans and never before seen on such scale, the oppression the Croats felt when they first came under Belgrade rule from 1918 onwards never justified such horrific mass slaughter of Serbs and Jews.
The Croatians were the only Nazi puppet regime in WW2 to run their own concentration camps (third largest after Auschwitz), everywhere else in occupied Europe the Germans had to run their concentration camps themselves. They also ran extermination camps exclusively for children - even the Nazis didn't do this ([link]).
Serbian victim numbers in WW2 FAR FAR FAAAR outweigh the casualty numbers in the 1990s on all sides.
Us maggots from the Balkans all have a hint of fascism in our bloodline, even you Peggy. Its who we are. We tried communism it didn't work.
(Bam Bam, 3 December 2013 08:57)
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That's in YOUR bloodline not mine. I am Serbian.
(Peggy, 3 December 2013 10:24)
@Peggy.........Was the massscre of up to 10, 000 innocent Bosniaks in Srebrenica an act of sadistic proportions with fascist tendencies. Us maggots from the Balkans all have a hint of fascism in our bloodline, even you Peggy. Its who we are. We tried communism it didn't work.
(Bam Bam, 3 December 2013 08:57)
The story of humanity is full of examples of cruelty by different nations against others. But for Serbs to claim moral ground after what just happened in Bosnia, Kosovo and Croatia , goes beyond any reason. Fine ,you are the eternal victims, nevermind we others are still trying to find our massacred civilians.
(Brandon, 3 December 2013 05:08)
Sorry to bust your Serbian delusions not. World history and historians 99 out of a 100. Have written Serb facist chetniks were the best lap dogs of the nazis ever.
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Is that why Nazis executed 100 Serbs for every German killed?
The best lap dogs ever were your lot the despicable Ustasha.
(Peggy, 2 December 2013 21:20)
I love how you Serbs act as though your completely innocent in everything. Your monsters and have lots of things to be ashamed of too. The world was a little different 70-75 years ago you acted the same way in more recent times.
(Rob C, 30 November 2013 22:48)
I love the way people like you make such huge generalizations (to hide ignorance) and repeat such things over and over again but never offer any intelligent evidence. Now why is that? You can't even quote anyone who supports the serbs on these forums.
(Put Up, Or Shut Up., 2 December 2013 14:33)
Lenard always with the most ridiculous comment. Croats are now nothing more than a slave of NATO and the EU, you are not and never have been a powerful people. And stop twisting what Napoleon said, he talked about Dalmatians not Croats, educate yourself and learn that not all Dalmatians are Croats. Yore wrong as usual SCP UK, NATO is the slave of the mighty inteligent Croatians. As the Serbs found out to their home grown criminal stupidity NATO is even more these days to Croatian wims. Dalmatians not Croats, educate yourself and learn that not all Dalmatians are Croats. Yore rite 2 or 3 mite be those elusive Croatian Serbs go figure just like the Himalayan Yeti scary.
For anyone to compare Chetniks with ustase is hilarious, the Chetniks were a movement to defend against the Nazi invasion while the ustase were a puppet Nazi regime intent on wiping out Serbs, Jews and Roma. Massive difference.
(SCP UK, 1 December 2013 14:56) Sorry to bust your Serbian delusions not. World history and historians 99 out of a 100. Have written Serb facist chetniks were the best lap dogs of the nazis ever. You just keep reading your chetnik proganda fable books. So you can sink deeper in to your chetnik delusional stuper. As the Serbs are well known to believe ther own BS of made up fable history as the rest of the real world moves on.
(Lenard, 2 December 2013 13:52)
Lets not forget what Croatian Ustasha did WW2, what Bosnian SS Handzar muslims did WW2, and also what Albanian SS Skanderbeg did in WW2! NEVER FORGET THESE EVIL FASCISTS. That resurfaced in the 90's these things just linger on and dont change. Joe Simunic's NAZI chant, Mandzukic's NAZI salute with this little Albanian side kick supporter Shaqiri.
(Mick, 2 December 2013 04:07)
Lenard always with the most ridiculous comment. Croats are now nothing more than a slave of NATO and the EU, you are not and never have been a powerful people. And stop twisting what Napoleon said, he talked about Dalmatians not Croats, educate yourself and learn that not all Dalmatians are Croats.
For anyone to compare Chetniks with ustase is hilarious, the Chetniks were a movement to defend against the Nazi invasion while the ustase were a puppet Nazi regime intent on wiping out Serbs, Jews and Roma. Massive difference.
(SCP UK, 1 December 2013 14:56)
Bam Bam the word is AUDACITY and it's you that has it !! Amer you need English lessons.
Toronto Cro it's not Ubi Ubi Hrvate,it's Ubi Ubi Ustashe and not many people would disagree with that except a fascist like you.
Questioner..Bob Dylan's brain is superior to yours.That's for sure!
Azir you're last but by no means unfortunately least.The truth of what happened in Ex-YU seems to have totally escaped you.The Serbs are the victims here as they were in WW2.
(Observer, 1 December 2013 12:58)
Everyones blood looks and smells the same.
(RSA, 29 November 2013 14:07)
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You obviously don't understand what he meant by this.
(Peggy, 1 December 2013 00:02)
Lucky we occupie Paris [link] we will win this one two we are on a juggernaut next the world. The French know how powerfull Croatians are. That is why Napoleon said :give me 100,000 Croatian soldiers and I will conquer the world. Don`t mess with Croatians as the Serbs so aptly found out to their wicked criminal folly.
(Lenard, 29 November 2013 18:21)
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Did you get that quote from a site where you Croatians pat yourselves on the back and the only sources are your Croat writers?
I love how you Serbs act as though your completely innocent in everything. Your monsters and have lots of things to be ashamed of too. The world was a little different 70-75 years ago you acted the same way in more recent times.
(Rob C, 30 November 2013 22:48)
If this case results in anything other than complete dismissal of the charges I will be amazed. I had always pencilled my Balkan friends in as good conspiracy theorists and many is the evening when I have sat around with them listening to ever more bizarre prognoses and, along with them, laughing myself silly. However, I didn't believe that they were so sensitive. There is as much of an 'insult' to Serbs as to Croats in what Zimmerman said if you really want to be picky, which I don't. Frankly the prospect of not being allowed back into France, if that is what results from a conviction and a refusal to apologise, sounds like a bonus not a punishment. Now I am about to be sued by sensitive Frenchmen no doubt!
(ned taylor, 30 November 2013 12:04)
Come on Leonard your now smoking some dangerous stuff to come up with a comment like that. The Croats/Bosnians/Albanians were all having their asses kicked by the Serbs until Uncle Sam and his allies decided to bomb Serbia and change the course of the War. Next time he won't be able to come to aid. Putin will make sure of that just he like he did in Georgia and Syria. How quickly NATO backed out then..Long Live Dylan and all the Brother Jewish people
(MZ, 30 November 2013 10:26)
Im not sure why Croat fascists are suing him? For what? Being Fascists? But isn't that what you WERE and continue to BE? THat is so freaking pathetic. USTASHE was a Croat regime during WW2 that allied itself with Nazi Germany..FACT. The debate is not whether Croatians are fascist…but how many Serbs, Jew, Gypsies you murdered…we say 800,000…you say 80,000. Somewhere you dropped a zero to justify you claim to innocence. For Homeland..READY…is a chant that you pigs used in WW2 and it's the same crap chant you use today. Your freaking flag is a Nazi Symbol as well..just an FYI. FACT.
(rob bugundy, 30 November 2013 01:33)
Jewish lobby groups or Jews in general amaze me. While they avert attention away from the Palestinian holocaust and land grabs, they continue to call others racists. Bob Dylan, the country that gave him fame and fortune has the ordasity to call it racist and bigoted. Whatever the U.S do, good or bad is in the Jewish interest. Every country has its right wing including the Jews ( Pavelic, Nedic, Sharon ). They are the only race in the world that refuses to be known by the country they live in but insist to be called Jews instead. The Croats in France need to make sure that they sue this un-educated LSD taking wannabe and seek a public apology for this disgraceful act. For the record Palestinian lands have decreased by 90% since 1948, now you tell me, who's the bully , who's the racist.
(Bam Bam, 30 November 2013 01:23)
oh come on toronto croatian. what exactly is a chetnik hat? is it the type of hat that they wore, or some sort of magical hat that of itself brings thoughts of hatred into the wearers head?
some of the things you mentioned were valid points. those wrong serbs that chanted and proliferated hatred at games in belgrade were and are still vile, but that doesn't absolve the croatians who act in the same manner.
however, it is interesting that even though not all historical croatian flags had the checkerboard, this recent incarnation of the nation uses the checkerboard as their flag. you complain about hats, yet failed to realize that the croatian checkboard has identical connotations for serbs, and romas and jews from the former yugoslavia region, as does the nazi swastika for jews and romas around the world.
accept and be critical of your own failings (as an individual or group) as much as your wish to do for your neighbours. if someone behaves badly, call them out regardless of who they are.
(comenow, 29 November 2013 22:16)
Everybody should thank this Croat organization in France for bringing publicity to words truthfully spoken by this Jewish-American gentleman.We Jews will never forget Jasenovac and the monsters who ran this hellhole where the souls of our people lie in eternity with our Serbian brothers and sisters. Shalom be upon all of their souls.Zivila Serbia and to hell with the Za Dom beasts.
(luciano, 29 November 2013 21:58)
Bob may quite be dissatisfied that the Croats have escaped Nurnberg Tribunal. Sure the younger Ustashas here are so dissapointed. But Jews always take very personal everything concerning WW2.
(rote, 29 November 2013 21:49)
I feel bad for all the people that are half Serb half Croat.... I understand why they hate one another.... One observation I do have about both people. When I was at the Creation Club in Windsor Canada I was not welcomed and was looked at as an outsider.... Felt very dirty. When I was at the Serbian and Slovenian clubs I was welcomed and everyone was very nice... Not to say there are no bad people on the Serb side.. but I have not met to many nice Croats...
(Mike Canada, 29 November 2013 21:46)
"If you’ve got a slave master or Klan in your blood, blacks can sense that. That stuff lingers to this day. Just like Jews can sense Nazi blood and the Serbs can sense Croatian blood."
Having something in blood? Sensing blood? So far, I thought Bob Dylan has some brain in his head. Now I have some serious doubts about that...
(Questioner, 29 November 2013 19:47)
"I will never forget when you guys got your medals at the handball tournament in Serbia wearing chetnik hats on your head...disgusting "
Good! You shouldn't forget it! The Chetniks fought against the facists and even helped the Americans (The Forgotten 500).
(MikeD, 29 November 2013 18:32)
Lucky we occupie Paris [link] we will win this one two we are on a juggernaut next the world. The French know how powerfull Croatians are. That is why Napoleon said :give me 100,000 Croatian soldiers and I will conquer the world. Don`t mess with Croatians as the Serbs so aptly found out to their wicked criminal folly.
(Lenard, 29 November 2013 18:21)
Croatians are truly shameless and fearless. They will never, ever apologize for their Nazi past but rather defend it and any acts of racism vigorously. That Croat Association in Paris should be suing Josip Simunic for his Nazi Ustasha chant a few weeks ago in Zagreb and not Bob Dylan.
Bob Dylan was correct. The Serbian minority in Croatia is being persecuted more than ever in a relentless wave of neo Nazi hatred. And for Croats they simply defend it by saying its "patriotic". Germans said exactly the same in 1939.
(Mike Thompson, 29 November 2013 17:54)
The people feeling insulted got it backwards, if that's an accurate translation - saying that "Serbs can sense Croat blood" means that it's the Serbs that he thinks are obsessed with race. At least, in the US, it was the Whites (certain Whites) who worried about identifying Blacks, and it was the Nazis who felt polluted by Jews.
(Amer, 29 November 2013 17:44)
what about at the soccer game when in belgrade you were burning our flag, singing entire fascist chetnik songs or chanting kill the croats so the albanians dont have any friends?! I will never forget when you guys got your medals at the handball tournament in Serbia wearing chetnik hats on your head...disgusting
You need to look at yourselves first before you comment on others
(Toronto Croatia, 29 November 2013 16:19)
Their case would be a little more convincing if a good number of their compatriots didn't exert so much effort in defending spontaneous shouts of "za dom spremni" at sporting events, tearing down signs in Cyrillic, and hero-worshiping individuals from the 1990s.
Za dom calling a spade a spade.
(Balkan Anthropologist, 29 November 2013 15:27)
Tell this Croat organization that Dylan will apologize right after the Croat gov't. and the catholic church apologize for their roles in WWII.
(njegos, 29 November 2013 15:03)
"If you’ve got a slave master or Klan in your blood, blacks can sense that. That stuff lingers to this day. Just like Jews can sense Nazi blood and the Serbs can sense Croatian blood."
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Kind of true my friends. I'm no sure about Jews still sensing Nazi blood anymore. We Serbs still sense it. Croatians are a dead give-away.
(Zoran, 29 November 2013 13:29)
Tell this Croat organization that Dylan will apologize right after the Croat gov't. and the catholic church apologize for their roles in WWII.
(njegos, 29 November 2013 15:03)
"If you’ve got a slave master or Klan in your blood, blacks can sense that. That stuff lingers to this day. Just like Jews can sense Nazi blood and the Serbs can sense Croatian blood."
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Kind of true my friends. I'm no sure about Jews still sensing Nazi blood anymore. We Serbs still sense it. Croatians are a dead give-away.
(Zoran, 29 November 2013 13:29)
Their case would be a little more convincing if a good number of their compatriots didn't exert so much effort in defending spontaneous shouts of "za dom spremni" at sporting events, tearing down signs in Cyrillic, and hero-worshiping individuals from the 1990s.
Za dom calling a spade a spade.
(Balkan Anthropologist, 29 November 2013 15:27)
Everybody should thank this Croat organization in France for bringing publicity to words truthfully spoken by this Jewish-American gentleman.We Jews will never forget Jasenovac and the monsters who ran this hellhole where the souls of our people lie in eternity with our Serbian brothers and sisters. Shalom be upon all of their souls.Zivila Serbia and to hell with the Za Dom beasts.
(luciano, 29 November 2013 21:58)
Im not sure why Croat fascists are suing him? For what? Being Fascists? But isn't that what you WERE and continue to BE? THat is so freaking pathetic. USTASHE was a Croat regime during WW2 that allied itself with Nazi Germany..FACT. The debate is not whether Croatians are fascist…but how many Serbs, Jew, Gypsies you murdered…we say 800,000…you say 80,000. Somewhere you dropped a zero to justify you claim to innocence. For Homeland..READY…is a chant that you pigs used in WW2 and it's the same crap chant you use today. Your freaking flag is a Nazi Symbol as well..just an FYI. FACT.
(rob bugundy, 30 November 2013 01:33)
I feel bad for all the people that are half Serb half Croat.... I understand why they hate one another.... One observation I do have about both people. When I was at the Creation Club in Windsor Canada I was not welcomed and was looked at as an outsider.... Felt very dirty. When I was at the Serbian and Slovenian clubs I was welcomed and everyone was very nice... Not to say there are no bad people on the Serb side.. but I have not met to many nice Croats...
(Mike Canada, 29 November 2013 21:46)
"I will never forget when you guys got your medals at the handball tournament in Serbia wearing chetnik hats on your head...disgusting "
Good! You shouldn't forget it! The Chetniks fought against the facists and even helped the Americans (The Forgotten 500).
(MikeD, 29 November 2013 18:32)
Croatians are truly shameless and fearless. They will never, ever apologize for their Nazi past but rather defend it and any acts of racism vigorously. That Croat Association in Paris should be suing Josip Simunic for his Nazi Ustasha chant a few weeks ago in Zagreb and not Bob Dylan.
Bob Dylan was correct. The Serbian minority in Croatia is being persecuted more than ever in a relentless wave of neo Nazi hatred. And for Croats they simply defend it by saying its "patriotic". Germans said exactly the same in 1939.
(Mike Thompson, 29 November 2013 17:54)
oh come on toronto croatian. what exactly is a chetnik hat? is it the type of hat that they wore, or some sort of magical hat that of itself brings thoughts of hatred into the wearers head?
some of the things you mentioned were valid points. those wrong serbs that chanted and proliferated hatred at games in belgrade were and are still vile, but that doesn't absolve the croatians who act in the same manner.
however, it is interesting that even though not all historical croatian flags had the checkerboard, this recent incarnation of the nation uses the checkerboard as their flag. you complain about hats, yet failed to realize that the croatian checkboard has identical connotations for serbs, and romas and jews from the former yugoslavia region, as does the nazi swastika for jews and romas around the world.
accept and be critical of your own failings (as an individual or group) as much as your wish to do for your neighbours. if someone behaves badly, call them out regardless of who they are.
(comenow, 29 November 2013 22:16)
what about at the soccer game when in belgrade you were burning our flag, singing entire fascist chetnik songs or chanting kill the croats so the albanians dont have any friends?! I will never forget when you guys got your medals at the handball tournament in Serbia wearing chetnik hats on your head...disgusting
You need to look at yourselves first before you comment on others
(Toronto Croatia, 29 November 2013 16:19)
Bam Bam the word is AUDACITY and it's you that has it !! Amer you need English lessons.
Toronto Cro it's not Ubi Ubi Hrvate,it's Ubi Ubi Ustashe and not many people would disagree with that except a fascist like you.
Questioner..Bob Dylan's brain is superior to yours.That's for sure!
Azir you're last but by no means unfortunately least.The truth of what happened in Ex-YU seems to have totally escaped you.The Serbs are the victims here as they were in WW2.
(Observer, 1 December 2013 12:58)
Lets not forget what Croatian Ustasha did WW2, what Bosnian SS Handzar muslims did WW2, and also what Albanian SS Skanderbeg did in WW2! NEVER FORGET THESE EVIL FASCISTS. That resurfaced in the 90's these things just linger on and dont change. Joe Simunic's NAZI chant, Mandzukic's NAZI salute with this little Albanian side kick supporter Shaqiri.
(Mick, 2 December 2013 04:07)
Bob may quite be dissatisfied that the Croats have escaped Nurnberg Tribunal. Sure the younger Ustashas here are so dissapointed. But Jews always take very personal everything concerning WW2.
(rote, 29 November 2013 21:49)
In the 1991-95 Croatian War, the Croats had 13,583 casualties. In the 1992-95 Bosnian War, Bosniaks has 31,270 soldier and 33,071 civilian casualties. In the 1999 Kosovo War, the Albanians had 10,533 casualties.
Compare that to the the brutal Croatian WW2 mass extermination campaign which resulted in anywhere between 580,000 to 700,000 Serbian victims, murdered in the most medieval and bestial ways imaginable - German commanders in the area regularly reported their disgust.
The Croatian genocide campaign was unprecedented for the Balkans and never before seen on such scale, the oppression the Croats felt when they first came under Belgrade rule from 1918 onwards never justified such horrific mass slaughter of Serbs and Jews.
The Croatians were the only Nazi puppet regime in WW2 to run their own concentration camps (third largest after Auschwitz), everywhere else in occupied Europe the Germans had to run their concentration camps themselves. They also ran extermination camps exclusively for children - even the Nazis didn't do this ([link]).
Serbian victim numbers in WW2 FAR FAR FAAAR outweigh the casualty numbers in the 1990s on all sides.
Jewish lobby groups or Jews in general amaze me. While they avert attention away from the Palestinian holocaust and land grabs, they continue to call others racists. Bob Dylan, the country that gave him fame and fortune has the ordasity to call it racist and bigoted. Whatever the U.S do, good or bad is in the Jewish interest. Every country has its right wing including the Jews ( Pavelic, Nedic, Sharon ). They are the only race in the world that refuses to be known by the country they live in but insist to be called Jews instead. The Croats in France need to make sure that they sue this un-educated LSD taking wannabe and seek a public apology for this disgraceful act. For the record Palestinian lands have decreased by 90% since 1948, now you tell me, who's the bully , who's the racist.
(Bam Bam, 30 November 2013 01:23)
Come on Leonard your now smoking some dangerous stuff to come up with a comment like that. The Croats/Bosnians/Albanians were all having their asses kicked by the Serbs until Uncle Sam and his allies decided to bomb Serbia and change the course of the War. Next time he won't be able to come to aid. Putin will make sure of that just he like he did in Georgia and Syria. How quickly NATO backed out then..Long Live Dylan and all the Brother Jewish people
(MZ, 30 November 2013 10:26)
Sorry to bust your Serbian delusions not. World history and historians 99 out of a 100. Have written Serb facist chetniks were the best lap dogs of the nazis ever.
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Is that why Nazis executed 100 Serbs for every German killed?
The best lap dogs ever were your lot the despicable Ustasha.
(Peggy, 2 December 2013 21:20)
Lucky we occupie Paris [link] we will win this one two we are on a juggernaut next the world. The French know how powerfull Croatians are. That is why Napoleon said :give me 100,000 Croatian soldiers and I will conquer the world. Don`t mess with Croatians as the Serbs so aptly found out to their wicked criminal folly.
(Lenard, 29 November 2013 18:21)
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Did you get that quote from a site where you Croatians pat yourselves on the back and the only sources are your Croat writers?
Lenard always with the most ridiculous comment. Croats are now nothing more than a slave of NATO and the EU, you are not and never have been a powerful people. And stop twisting what Napoleon said, he talked about Dalmatians not Croats, educate yourself and learn that not all Dalmatians are Croats.
For anyone to compare Chetniks with ustase is hilarious, the Chetniks were a movement to defend against the Nazi invasion while the ustase were a puppet Nazi regime intent on wiping out Serbs, Jews and Roma. Massive difference.
(SCP UK, 1 December 2013 14:56)
Everyones blood looks and smells the same.
(RSA, 29 November 2013 14:07)
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You obviously don't understand what he meant by this.
(Peggy, 1 December 2013 00:02)
Us maggots from the Balkans all have a hint of fascism in our bloodline, even you Peggy. Its who we are. We tried communism it didn't work.
(Bam Bam, 3 December 2013 08:57)
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That's in YOUR bloodline not mine. I am Serbian.
(Peggy, 3 December 2013 10:24)
I love how you Serbs act as though your completely innocent in everything. Your monsters and have lots of things to be ashamed of too. The world was a little different 70-75 years ago you acted the same way in more recent times.
(Rob C, 30 November 2013 22:48)
I love the way people like you make such huge generalizations (to hide ignorance) and repeat such things over and over again but never offer any intelligent evidence. Now why is that? You can't even quote anyone who supports the serbs on these forums.
(Put Up, Or Shut Up., 2 December 2013 14:33)
I love how you Serbs act as though your completely innocent in everything. Your monsters and have lots of things to be ashamed of too. The world was a little different 70-75 years ago you acted the same way in more recent times.
(Rob C, 30 November 2013 22:48)
"If you’ve got a slave master or Klan in your blood, blacks can sense that. That stuff lingers to this day. Just like Jews can sense Nazi blood and the Serbs can sense Croatian blood."
Having something in blood? Sensing blood? So far, I thought Bob Dylan has some brain in his head. Now I have some serious doubts about that...
(Questioner, 29 November 2013 19:47)
The story of humanity is full of examples of cruelty by different nations against others. But for Serbs to claim moral ground after what just happened in Bosnia, Kosovo and Croatia , goes beyond any reason. Fine ,you are the eternal victims, nevermind we others are still trying to find our massacred civilians.
(Brandon, 3 December 2013 05:08)
Lenard always with the most ridiculous comment. Croats are now nothing more than a slave of NATO and the EU, you are not and never have been a powerful people. And stop twisting what Napoleon said, he talked about Dalmatians not Croats, educate yourself and learn that not all Dalmatians are Croats. Yore wrong as usual SCP UK, NATO is the slave of the mighty inteligent Croatians. As the Serbs found out to their home grown criminal stupidity NATO is even more these days to Croatian wims. Dalmatians not Croats, educate yourself and learn that not all Dalmatians are Croats. Yore rite 2 or 3 mite be those elusive Croatian Serbs go figure just like the Himalayan Yeti scary.
For anyone to compare Chetniks with ustase is hilarious, the Chetniks were a movement to defend against the Nazi invasion while the ustase were a puppet Nazi regime intent on wiping out Serbs, Jews and Roma. Massive difference.
(SCP UK, 1 December 2013 14:56) Sorry to bust your Serbian delusions not. World history and historians 99 out of a 100. Have written Serb facist chetniks were the best lap dogs of the nazis ever. You just keep reading your chetnik proganda fable books. So you can sink deeper in to your chetnik delusional stuper. As the Serbs are well known to believe ther own BS of made up fable history as the rest of the real world moves on.
(Lenard, 2 December 2013 13:52)
Lucky we occupie Paris [link] we will win this one two we are on a juggernaut next the world. The French know how powerfull Croatians are. That is why Napoleon said :give me 100,000 Croatian soldiers and I will conquer the world. Don`t mess with Croatians as the Serbs so aptly found out to their wicked criminal folly.
(Lenard, 29 November 2013 18:21)
Oh my dear lenny. Carl gone to Iceland, miss your friend do you?
99/100 histories and historians will agree to your aesopian fabels?
Wrong! I alone represent 3 of those hundred, and web across the Internet I can smell you bull droppings every time you write. I say beat lap dogs ever?... Answer is:... Ante Pavalic and his ragtag group of lap dogs were forever hitlers biggest fans. They even all had the 3-5 posters on their walls, dreaming dreamy thoughts of the 3rd reich hopin one day to be called to the big boy table they set out on a mission to impress their German superstars' by trying to make their ironclad stomachs to turn at the sight of what Croatia could and would do.
Lenny, it's always fun reading your fiction. I hope you've collected it all. You can make the Jonny Carson show with your sense of humour.
(Disopatjicolony, 3 December 2013 14:37)
The people feeling insulted got it backwards, if that's an accurate translation - saying that "Serbs can sense Croat blood" means that it's the Serbs that he thinks are obsessed with race. At least, in the US, it was the Whites (certain Whites) who worried about identifying Blacks, and it was the Nazis who felt polluted by Jews.
(Amer, 29 November 2013 17:44)
If this case results in anything other than complete dismissal of the charges I will be amazed. I had always pencilled my Balkan friends in as good conspiracy theorists and many is the evening when I have sat around with them listening to ever more bizarre prognoses and, along with them, laughing myself silly. However, I didn't believe that they were so sensitive. There is as much of an 'insult' to Serbs as to Croats in what Zimmerman said if you really want to be picky, which I don't. Frankly the prospect of not being allowed back into France, if that is what results from a conviction and a refusal to apologise, sounds like a bonus not a punishment. Now I am about to be sued by sensitive Frenchmen no doubt!
(ned taylor, 30 November 2013 12:04)
We've seen the effects of disease since the 1940's.
(victims again, 5 December 2013 19:52)
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Yes, we were victims of your thirst for blood again. Unless we finally learn to cast your lot off as the Cancer you are and never trust you again we will be your victims forever.
The disease is called Ustashaterrors and you are riddled with it. Your hate is only surpassed by something supernatural.
Eventually you will be brought to justice. Do as you wish but not for as long as you wish.
(Peggy, 5 December 2013 23:56)
@Peggy.........Was the massscre of up to 10, 000 innocent Bosniaks in Srebrenica an act of sadistic proportions with fascist tendencies. Us maggots from the Balkans all have a hint of fascism in our bloodline, even you Peggy. Its who we are. We tried communism it didn't work.
(Bam Bam, 3 December 2013 08:57)
Stop it ladies and gentleman. No matter how hard you try to educate these people it's hopeless.
There's no cure for Chetnicosis. It's a disease that if not treated early in life will eat whatever is left of the human brain.
We've seen the effects of disease since the 1940's.
(victims again, 5 December 2013 19:52)
what about at the soccer game when in belgrade you were burning our flag, singing entire fascist chetnik songs or chanting kill the croats so the albanians dont have any friends?! I will never forget when you guys got your medals at the handball tournament in Serbia wearing chetnik hats on your head...disgusting
You need to look at yourselves first before you comment on others
(Toronto Croatia, 29 November 2013 16:19)
Jewish lobby groups or Jews in general amaze me. While they avert attention away from the Palestinian holocaust and land grabs, they continue to call others racists. Bob Dylan, the country that gave him fame and fortune has the ordasity to call it racist and bigoted. Whatever the U.S do, good or bad is in the Jewish interest. Every country has its right wing including the Jews ( Pavelic, Nedic, Sharon ). They are the only race in the world that refuses to be known by the country they live in but insist to be called Jews instead. The Croats in France need to make sure that they sue this un-educated LSD taking wannabe and seek a public apology for this disgraceful act. For the record Palestinian lands have decreased by 90% since 1948, now you tell me, who's the bully , who's the racist.
(Bam Bam, 30 November 2013 01:23)
Lucky we occupie Paris [link] we will win this one two we are on a juggernaut next the world. The French know how powerfull Croatians are. That is why Napoleon said :give me 100,000 Croatian soldiers and I will conquer the world. Don`t mess with Croatians as the Serbs so aptly found out to their wicked criminal folly.
(Lenard, 29 November 2013 18:21)
The people feeling insulted got it backwards, if that's an accurate translation - saying that "Serbs can sense Croat blood" means that it's the Serbs that he thinks are obsessed with race. At least, in the US, it was the Whites (certain Whites) who worried about identifying Blacks, and it was the Nazis who felt polluted by Jews.
(Amer, 29 November 2013 17:44)
"If you’ve got a slave master or Klan in your blood, blacks can sense that. That stuff lingers to this day. Just like Jews can sense Nazi blood and the Serbs can sense Croatian blood."
Having something in blood? Sensing blood? So far, I thought Bob Dylan has some brain in his head. Now I have some serious doubts about that...
(Questioner, 29 November 2013 19:47)
I love how you Serbs act as though your completely innocent in everything. Your monsters and have lots of things to be ashamed of too. The world was a little different 70-75 years ago you acted the same way in more recent times.
(Rob C, 30 November 2013 22:48)
Im not sure why Croat fascists are suing him? For what? Being Fascists? But isn't that what you WERE and continue to BE? THat is so freaking pathetic. USTASHE was a Croat regime during WW2 that allied itself with Nazi Germany..FACT. The debate is not whether Croatians are fascist…but how many Serbs, Jew, Gypsies you murdered…we say 800,000…you say 80,000. Somewhere you dropped a zero to justify you claim to innocence. For Homeland..READY…is a chant that you pigs used in WW2 and it's the same crap chant you use today. Your freaking flag is a Nazi Symbol as well..just an FYI. FACT.
(rob bugundy, 30 November 2013 01:33)
"If you’ve got a slave master or Klan in your blood, blacks can sense that. That stuff lingers to this day. Just like Jews can sense Nazi blood and the Serbs can sense Croatian blood."
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Kind of true my friends. I'm no sure about Jews still sensing Nazi blood anymore. We Serbs still sense it. Croatians are a dead give-away.
(Zoran, 29 November 2013 13:29)
@Peggy.........Was the massscre of up to 10, 000 innocent Bosniaks in Srebrenica an act of sadistic proportions with fascist tendencies. Us maggots from the Balkans all have a hint of fascism in our bloodline, even you Peggy. Its who we are. We tried communism it didn't work.
(Bam Bam, 3 December 2013 08:57)
Lenard always with the most ridiculous comment. Croats are now nothing more than a slave of NATO and the EU, you are not and never have been a powerful people. And stop twisting what Napoleon said, he talked about Dalmatians not Croats, educate yourself and learn that not all Dalmatians are Croats. Yore wrong as usual SCP UK, NATO is the slave of the mighty inteligent Croatians. As the Serbs found out to their home grown criminal stupidity NATO is even more these days to Croatian wims. Dalmatians not Croats, educate yourself and learn that not all Dalmatians are Croats. Yore rite 2 or 3 mite be those elusive Croatian Serbs go figure just like the Himalayan Yeti scary.
For anyone to compare Chetniks with ustase is hilarious, the Chetniks were a movement to defend against the Nazi invasion while the ustase were a puppet Nazi regime intent on wiping out Serbs, Jews and Roma. Massive difference.
(SCP UK, 1 December 2013 14:56) Sorry to bust your Serbian delusions not. World history and historians 99 out of a 100. Have written Serb facist chetniks were the best lap dogs of the nazis ever. You just keep reading your chetnik proganda fable books. So you can sink deeper in to your chetnik delusional stuper. As the Serbs are well known to believe ther own BS of made up fable history as the rest of the real world moves on.
(Lenard, 2 December 2013 13:52)
The story of humanity is full of examples of cruelty by different nations against others. But for Serbs to claim moral ground after what just happened in Bosnia, Kosovo and Croatia , goes beyond any reason. Fine ,you are the eternal victims, nevermind we others are still trying to find our massacred civilians.
(Brandon, 3 December 2013 05:08)
oh come on toronto croatian. what exactly is a chetnik hat? is it the type of hat that they wore, or some sort of magical hat that of itself brings thoughts of hatred into the wearers head?
some of the things you mentioned were valid points. those wrong serbs that chanted and proliferated hatred at games in belgrade were and are still vile, but that doesn't absolve the croatians who act in the same manner.
however, it is interesting that even though not all historical croatian flags had the checkerboard, this recent incarnation of the nation uses the checkerboard as their flag. you complain about hats, yet failed to realize that the croatian checkboard has identical connotations for serbs, and romas and jews from the former yugoslavia region, as does the nazi swastika for jews and romas around the world.
accept and be critical of your own failings (as an individual or group) as much as your wish to do for your neighbours. if someone behaves badly, call them out regardless of who they are.
(comenow, 29 November 2013 22:16)
Everybody should thank this Croat organization in France for bringing publicity to words truthfully spoken by this Jewish-American gentleman.We Jews will never forget Jasenovac and the monsters who ran this hellhole where the souls of our people lie in eternity with our Serbian brothers and sisters. Shalom be upon all of their souls.Zivila Serbia and to hell with the Za Dom beasts.
(luciano, 29 November 2013 21:58)
"I will never forget when you guys got your medals at the handball tournament in Serbia wearing chetnik hats on your head...disgusting "
Good! You shouldn't forget it! The Chetniks fought against the facists and even helped the Americans (The Forgotten 500).
(MikeD, 29 November 2013 18:32)
Lets not forget what Croatian Ustasha did WW2, what Bosnian SS Handzar muslims did WW2, and also what Albanian SS Skanderbeg did in WW2! NEVER FORGET THESE EVIL FASCISTS. That resurfaced in the 90's these things just linger on and dont change. Joe Simunic's NAZI chant, Mandzukic's NAZI salute with this little Albanian side kick supporter Shaqiri.
(Mick, 2 December 2013 04:07)
Bob may quite be dissatisfied that the Croats have escaped Nurnberg Tribunal. Sure the younger Ustashas here are so dissapointed. But Jews always take very personal everything concerning WW2.
(rote, 29 November 2013 21:49)
Sorry to bust your Serbian delusions not. World history and historians 99 out of a 100. Have written Serb facist chetniks were the best lap dogs of the nazis ever.
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Is that why Nazis executed 100 Serbs for every German killed?
The best lap dogs ever were your lot the despicable Ustasha.
(Peggy, 2 December 2013 21:20)
Lucky we occupie Paris [link] we will win this one two we are on a juggernaut next the world. The French know how powerfull Croatians are. That is why Napoleon said :give me 100,000 Croatian soldiers and I will conquer the world. Don`t mess with Croatians as the Serbs so aptly found out to their wicked criminal folly.
(Lenard, 29 November 2013 18:21)
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Did you get that quote from a site where you Croatians pat yourselves on the back and the only sources are your Croat writers?
Tell this Croat organization that Dylan will apologize right after the Croat gov't. and the catholic church apologize for their roles in WWII.
(njegos, 29 November 2013 15:03)
In the 1991-95 Croatian War, the Croats had 13,583 casualties. In the 1992-95 Bosnian War, Bosniaks has 31,270 soldier and 33,071 civilian casualties. In the 1999 Kosovo War, the Albanians had 10,533 casualties.
Compare that to the the brutal Croatian WW2 mass extermination campaign which resulted in anywhere between 580,000 to 700,000 Serbian victims, murdered in the most medieval and bestial ways imaginable - German commanders in the area regularly reported their disgust.
The Croatian genocide campaign was unprecedented for the Balkans and never before seen on such scale, the oppression the Croats felt when they first came under Belgrade rule from 1918 onwards never justified such horrific mass slaughter of Serbs and Jews.
The Croatians were the only Nazi puppet regime in WW2 to run their own concentration camps (third largest after Auschwitz), everywhere else in occupied Europe the Germans had to run their concentration camps themselves. They also ran extermination camps exclusively for children - even the Nazis didn't do this ([link]).
Serbian victim numbers in WW2 FAR FAR FAAAR outweigh the casualty numbers in the 1990s on all sides.
Croatians are truly shameless and fearless. They will never, ever apologize for their Nazi past but rather defend it and any acts of racism vigorously. That Croat Association in Paris should be suing Josip Simunic for his Nazi Ustasha chant a few weeks ago in Zagreb and not Bob Dylan.
Bob Dylan was correct. The Serbian minority in Croatia is being persecuted more than ever in a relentless wave of neo Nazi hatred. And for Croats they simply defend it by saying its "patriotic". Germans said exactly the same in 1939.
(Mike Thompson, 29 November 2013 17:54)
I love how you Serbs act as though your completely innocent in everything. Your monsters and have lots of things to be ashamed of too. The world was a little different 70-75 years ago you acted the same way in more recent times.
(Rob C, 30 November 2013 22:48)
I love the way people like you make such huge generalizations (to hide ignorance) and repeat such things over and over again but never offer any intelligent evidence. Now why is that? You can't even quote anyone who supports the serbs on these forums.
(Put Up, Or Shut Up., 2 December 2013 14:33)
Us maggots from the Balkans all have a hint of fascism in our bloodline, even you Peggy. Its who we are. We tried communism it didn't work.
(Bam Bam, 3 December 2013 08:57)
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That's in YOUR bloodline not mine. I am Serbian.
(Peggy, 3 December 2013 10:24)
Everyones blood looks and smells the same.
(RSA, 29 November 2013 14:07)
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You obviously don't understand what he meant by this.
(Peggy, 1 December 2013 00:02)
I feel bad for all the people that are half Serb half Croat.... I understand why they hate one another.... One observation I do have about both people. When I was at the Creation Club in Windsor Canada I was not welcomed and was looked at as an outsider.... Felt very dirty. When I was at the Serbian and Slovenian clubs I was welcomed and everyone was very nice... Not to say there are no bad people on the Serb side.. but I have not met to many nice Croats...
(Mike Canada, 29 November 2013 21:46)
Their case would be a little more convincing if a good number of their compatriots didn't exert so much effort in defending spontaneous shouts of "za dom spremni" at sporting events, tearing down signs in Cyrillic, and hero-worshiping individuals from the 1990s.
Za dom calling a spade a spade.
(Balkan Anthropologist, 29 November 2013 15:27)
Come on Leonard your now smoking some dangerous stuff to come up with a comment like that. The Croats/Bosnians/Albanians were all having their asses kicked by the Serbs until Uncle Sam and his allies decided to bomb Serbia and change the course of the War. Next time he won't be able to come to aid. Putin will make sure of that just he like he did in Georgia and Syria. How quickly NATO backed out then..Long Live Dylan and all the Brother Jewish people
(MZ, 30 November 2013 10:26)
We've seen the effects of disease since the 1940's.
(victims again, 5 December 2013 19:52)
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Yes, we were victims of your thirst for blood again. Unless we finally learn to cast your lot off as the Cancer you are and never trust you again we will be your victims forever.
The disease is called Ustashaterrors and you are riddled with it. Your hate is only surpassed by something supernatural.
Eventually you will be brought to justice. Do as you wish but not for as long as you wish.
(Peggy, 5 December 2013 23:56)
Lenard always with the most ridiculous comment. Croats are now nothing more than a slave of NATO and the EU, you are not and never have been a powerful people. And stop twisting what Napoleon said, he talked about Dalmatians not Croats, educate yourself and learn that not all Dalmatians are Croats.
For anyone to compare Chetniks with ustase is hilarious, the Chetniks were a movement to defend against the Nazi invasion while the ustase were a puppet Nazi regime intent on wiping out Serbs, Jews and Roma. Massive difference.
(SCP UK, 1 December 2013 14:56)
Oh my dear lenny. Carl gone to Iceland, miss your friend do you?
99/100 histories and historians will agree to your aesopian fabels?
Wrong! I alone represent 3 of those hundred, and web across the Internet I can smell you bull droppings every time you write. I say beat lap dogs ever?... Answer is:... Ante Pavalic and his ragtag group of lap dogs were forever hitlers biggest fans. They even all had the 3-5 posters on their walls, dreaming dreamy thoughts of the 3rd reich hopin one day to be called to the big boy table they set out on a mission to impress their German superstars' by trying to make their ironclad stomachs to turn at the sight of what Croatia could and would do.
Lenny, it's always fun reading your fiction. I hope you've collected it all. You can make the Jonny Carson show with your sense of humour.
(Disopatjicolony, 3 December 2013 14:37)
Bam Bam the word is AUDACITY and it's you that has it !! Amer you need English lessons.
Toronto Cro it's not Ubi Ubi Hrvate,it's Ubi Ubi Ustashe and not many people would disagree with that except a fascist like you.
Questioner..Bob Dylan's brain is superior to yours.That's for sure!
Azir you're last but by no means unfortunately least.The truth of what happened in Ex-YU seems to have totally escaped you.The Serbs are the victims here as they were in WW2.
(Observer, 1 December 2013 12:58)
Stop it ladies and gentleman. No matter how hard you try to educate these people it's hopeless.
There's no cure for Chetnicosis. It's a disease that if not treated early in life will eat whatever is left of the human brain.
We've seen the effects of disease since the 1940's.
(victims again, 5 December 2013 19:52)
If this case results in anything other than complete dismissal of the charges I will be amazed. I had always pencilled my Balkan friends in as good conspiracy theorists and many is the evening when I have sat around with them listening to ever more bizarre prognoses and, along with them, laughing myself silly. However, I didn't believe that they were so sensitive. There is as much of an 'insult' to Serbs as to Croats in what Zimmerman said if you really want to be picky, which I don't. Frankly the prospect of not being allowed back into France, if that is what results from a conviction and a refusal to apologise, sounds like a bonus not a punishment. Now I am about to be sued by sensitive Frenchmen no doubt!
(ned taylor, 30 November 2013 12:04)