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Friday, 29.11.2013.

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Croat association wants Bob Dylan to "apologize"

Legendary U.S. singer-songwriter Bob Dylan has been sued for "inciting to hatred" by a group representing the Croatian diaspora in France.

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Peggy

pre 10 godina

We've seen the effects of disease since the 1940's.
(victims again, 5 December 2013 19:52)
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Yes, we were victims of your thirst for blood again. Unless we finally learn to cast your lot off as the Cancer you are and never trust you again we will be your victims forever.

The disease is called Ustashaterrors and you are riddled with it. Your hate is only surpassed by something supernatural.

Eventually you will be brought to justice. Do as you wish but not for as long as you wish.

victims again

pre 10 godina

Stop it ladies and gentleman. No matter how hard you try to educate these people it's hopeless.

There's no cure for Chetnicosis. It's a disease that if not treated early in life will eat whatever is left of the human brain.
We've seen the effects of disease since the 1940's.

Disopatjicolony

pre 10 godina

Oh my dear lenny. Carl gone to Iceland, miss your friend do you?
99/100 histories and historians will agree to your aesopian fabels?
Wrong! I alone represent 3 of those hundred, and web across the Internet I can smell you bull droppings every time you write. I say beat lap dogs ever?... Answer is:... Ante Pavalic and his ragtag group of lap dogs were forever hitlers biggest fans. They even all had the 3-5 posters on their walls, dreaming dreamy thoughts of the 3rd reich hopin one day to be called to the big boy table they set out on a mission to impress their German superstars' by trying to make their ironclad stomachs to turn at the sight of what Croatia could and would do.
Lenny, it's always fun reading your fiction. I hope you've collected it all. You can make the Jonny Carson show with your sense of humour.

Smiths101

pre 10 godina

Dylan was clearly referring to the events of WW2.

In the 1991-95 Croatian War, the Croats had 13,583 casualties. In the 1992-95 Bosnian War, Bosniaks has 31,270 soldier and 33,071 civilian casualties. In the 1999 Kosovo War, the Albanians had 10,533 casualties.

Compare that to the the brutal Croatian WW2 mass extermination campaign which resulted in anywhere between 580,000 to 700,000 Serbian victims, murdered in the most medieval and bestial ways imaginable - German commanders in the area regularly reported their disgust.

The Croatian genocide campaign was unprecedented for the Balkans and never before seen on such scale, the oppression the Croats felt when they first came under Belgrade rule from 1918 onwards never justified such horrific mass slaughter of Serbs and Jews.

The Croatians were the only Nazi puppet regime in WW2 to run their own concentration camps (third largest after Auschwitz), everywhere else in occupied Europe the Germans had to run their concentration camps themselves. They also ran extermination camps exclusively for children - even the Nazis didn't do this (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jastrebarsko_concentration_camp).

Serbian victim numbers in WW2 FAR FAR FAAAR outweigh the casualty numbers in the 1990s on all sides.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II_persecution_of_Serbs
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jasenovac_concentration_camp

Peggy

pre 10 godina

Us maggots from the Balkans all have a hint of fascism in our bloodline, even you Peggy. Its who we are. We tried communism it didn't work.
(Bam Bam, 3 December 2013 08:57)
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That's in YOUR bloodline not mine. I am Serbian.

Bam Bam

pre 10 godina

@Peggy.........Was the massscre of up to 10, 000 innocent Bosniaks in Srebrenica an act of sadistic proportions with fascist tendencies. Us maggots from the Balkans all have a hint of fascism in our bloodline, even you Peggy. Its who we are. We tried communism it didn't work.

Brandon

pre 10 godina

The story of humanity is full of examples of cruelty by different nations against others. But for Serbs to claim moral ground after what just happened in Bosnia, Kosovo and Croatia , goes beyond any reason. Fine ,you are the eternal victims, nevermind we others are still trying to find our massacred civilians.

Peggy

pre 10 godina

Sorry to bust your Serbian delusions not. World history and historians 99 out of a 100. Have written Serb facist chetniks were the best lap dogs of the nazis ever.
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Is that why Nazis executed 100 Serbs for every German killed?
The best lap dogs ever were your lot the despicable Ustasha.

Put Up, Or Shut Up.

pre 10 godina

I love how you Serbs act as though your completely innocent in everything. Your monsters and have lots of things to be ashamed of too. The world was a little different 70-75 years ago you acted the same way in more recent times.
(Rob C, 30 November 2013 22:48)

I love the way people like you make such huge generalizations (to hide ignorance) and repeat such things over and over again but never offer any intelligent evidence. Now why is that? You can't even quote anyone who supports the serbs on these forums.

Lenard

pre 10 godina

Lenard always with the most ridiculous comment. Croats are now nothing more than a slave of NATO and the EU, you are not and never have been a powerful people. And stop twisting what Napoleon said, he talked about Dalmatians not Croats, educate yourself and learn that not all Dalmatians are Croats. Yore wrong as usual SCP UK, NATO is the slave of the mighty inteligent Croatians. As the Serbs found out to their home grown criminal stupidity NATO is even more these days to Croatian wims. Dalmatians not Croats, educate yourself and learn that not all Dalmatians are Croats. Yore rite 2 or 3 mite be those elusive Croatian Serbs go figure just like the Himalayan Yeti scary.

For anyone to compare Chetniks with ustase is hilarious, the Chetniks were a movement to defend against the Nazi invasion while the ustase were a puppet Nazi regime intent on wiping out Serbs, Jews and Roma. Massive difference.
(SCP UK, 1 December 2013 14:56) Sorry to bust your Serbian delusions not. World history and historians 99 out of a 100. Have written Serb facist chetniks were the best lap dogs of the nazis ever. You just keep reading your chetnik proganda fable books. So you can sink deeper in to your chetnik delusional stuper. As the Serbs are well known to believe ther own BS of made up fable history as the rest of the real world moves on.

Mick

pre 10 godina

Lets not forget what Croatian Ustasha did WW2, what Bosnian SS Handzar muslims did WW2, and also what Albanian SS Skanderbeg did in WW2! NEVER FORGET THESE EVIL FASCISTS. That resurfaced in the 90's these things just linger on and dont change. Joe Simunic's NAZI chant, Mandzukic's NAZI salute with this little Albanian side kick supporter Shaqiri.

SCP UK

pre 10 godina

Lenard always with the most ridiculous comment. Croats are now nothing more than a slave of NATO and the EU, you are not and never have been a powerful people. And stop twisting what Napoleon said, he talked about Dalmatians not Croats, educate yourself and learn that not all Dalmatians are Croats.

For anyone to compare Chetniks with ustase is hilarious, the Chetniks were a movement to defend against the Nazi invasion while the ustase were a puppet Nazi regime intent on wiping out Serbs, Jews and Roma. Massive difference.

Observer

pre 10 godina

Bam Bam the word is AUDACITY and it's you that has it !! Amer you need English lessons.
Toronto Cro it's not Ubi Ubi Hrvate,it's Ubi Ubi Ustashe and not many people would disagree with that except a fascist like you.
Questioner..Bob Dylan's brain is superior to yours.That's for sure!
Azir you're last but by no means unfortunately least.The truth of what happened in Ex-YU seems to have totally escaped you.The Serbs are the victims here as they were in WW2.

Peggy

pre 10 godina

Everyones blood looks and smells the same.
(RSA, 29 November 2013 14:07)
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You obviously don't understand what he meant by this.

Peggy

pre 10 godina

Lucky we occupie Paris [link] we will win this one two we are on a juggernaut next the world. The French know how powerfull Croatians are. That is why Napoleon said :give me 100,000 Croatian soldiers and I will conquer the world. Don`t mess with Croatians as the Serbs so aptly found out to their wicked criminal folly.
(Lenard, 29 November 2013 18:21)
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Did you get that quote from a site where you Croatians pat yourselves on the back and the only sources are your Croat writers?

http://www.topix.com/forum/world/croatia/T6RLJ9UOS64HMAFRP

Steve

pre 10 godina

@ rob bugundy

http://srebrenica-genocide.blogspot.ca/2007/12/forgotten-1943-genocide-by-nazi-chetnik.html

Guess what you were facists too lol

Rob C

pre 10 godina

I love how you Serbs act as though your completely innocent in everything. Your monsters and have lots of things to be ashamed of too. The world was a little different 70-75 years ago you acted the same way in more recent times.

azir

pre 10 godina

Rob Croat victims are rightfully sueing for Genocide, War Crimes and Crimes against Humanity.

I know you will cry .............BUT WHAT ABOUT JASENOVIC?

Two wrongs don't make a right.

Serbs committed all these crimes on foreign soil.

Croatia never invaded,occupied or entered Serbia.........

I support Croatia's justified demands for recognition and compensation.

Serbia's Jasenovic case as a little toooooooo late.

ned taylor

pre 10 godina

If this case results in anything other than complete dismissal of the charges I will be amazed. I had always pencilled my Balkan friends in as good conspiracy theorists and many is the evening when I have sat around with them listening to ever more bizarre prognoses and, along with them, laughing myself silly. However, I didn't believe that they were so sensitive. There is as much of an 'insult' to Serbs as to Croats in what Zimmerman said if you really want to be picky, which I don't. Frankly the prospect of not being allowed back into France, if that is what results from a conviction and a refusal to apologise, sounds like a bonus not a punishment. Now I am about to be sued by sensitive Frenchmen no doubt!

MZ

pre 10 godina

Come on Leonard your now smoking some dangerous stuff to come up with a comment like that. The Croats/Bosnians/Albanians were all having their asses kicked by the Serbs until Uncle Sam and his allies decided to bomb Serbia and change the course of the War. Next time he won't be able to come to aid. Putin will make sure of that just he like he did in Georgia and Syria. How quickly NATO backed out then..Long Live Dylan and all the Brother Jewish people

rob bugundy

pre 10 godina

Im not sure why Croat fascists are suing him? For what? Being Fascists? But isn't that what you WERE and continue to BE? THat is so freaking pathetic. USTASHE was a Croat regime during WW2 that allied itself with Nazi Germany..FACT. The debate is not whether Croatians are fascist…but how many Serbs, Jew, Gypsies you murdered…we say 800,000…you say 80,000. Somewhere you dropped a zero to justify you claim to innocence. For Homeland..READY…is a chant that you pigs used in WW2 and it's the same crap chant you use today. Your freaking flag is a Nazi Symbol as well..just an FYI. FACT.

Bam Bam

pre 10 godina

Jewish lobby groups or Jews in general amaze me. While they avert attention away from the Palestinian holocaust and land grabs, they continue to call others racists. Bob Dylan, the country that gave him fame and fortune has the ordasity to call it racist and bigoted. Whatever the U.S do, good or bad is in the Jewish interest. Every country has its right wing including the Jews ( Pavelic, Nedic, Sharon ). They are the only race in the world that refuses to be known by the country they live in but insist to be called Jews instead. The Croats in France need to make sure that they sue this un-educated LSD taking wannabe and seek a public apology for this disgraceful act. For the record Palestinian lands have decreased by 90% since 1948, now you tell me, who's the bully , who's the racist.

comenow

pre 10 godina

oh come on toronto croatian. what exactly is a chetnik hat? is it the type of hat that they wore, or some sort of magical hat that of itself brings thoughts of hatred into the wearers head?
some of the things you mentioned were valid points. those wrong serbs that chanted and proliferated hatred at games in belgrade were and are still vile, but that doesn't absolve the croatians who act in the same manner.
however, it is interesting that even though not all historical croatian flags had the checkerboard, this recent incarnation of the nation uses the checkerboard as their flag. you complain about hats, yet failed to realize that the croatian checkboard has identical connotations for serbs, and romas and jews from the former yugoslavia region, as does the nazi swastika for jews and romas around the world.
accept and be critical of your own failings (as an individual or group) as much as your wish to do for your neighbours. if someone behaves badly, call them out regardless of who they are.

Mike Canada

pre 10 godina

I feel bad for all the people that are half Serb half Croat.... I understand why they hate one another.... One observation I do have about both people. When I was at the Creation Club in Windsor Canada I was not welcomed and was looked at as an outsider.... Felt very dirty. When I was at the Serbian and Slovenian clubs I was welcomed and everyone was very nice... Not to say there are no bad people on the Serb side.. but I have not met to many nice Croats...

rote

pre 10 godina

Bob may quite be dissatisfied that the Croats have escaped Nurnberg Tribunal. Sure the younger Ustashas here are so dissapointed. But Jews always take very personal everything concerning WW2.

luciano

pre 10 godina

Everybody should thank this Croat organization in France for bringing publicity to words truthfully spoken by this Jewish-American gentleman.We Jews will never forget Jasenovac and the monsters who ran this hellhole where the souls of our people lie in eternity with our Serbian brothers and sisters. Shalom be upon all of their souls.Zivila Serbia and to hell with the Za Dom beasts.

Questioner

pre 10 godina

"If you’ve got a slave master or Klan in your blood, blacks can sense that. That stuff lingers to this day. Just like Jews can sense Nazi blood and the Serbs can sense Croatian blood."

Having something in blood? Sensing blood? So far, I thought Bob Dylan has some brain in his head. Now I have some serious doubts about that...

Comm. Parrisson

pre 10 godina

"Everyones blood looks and smells the same."
(RSA, 29 November 2013 14:07)

Hey, how dare you to come up with simple scientific observations and the truth here!!

MikeD

pre 10 godina

"I will never forget when you guys got your medals at the handball tournament in Serbia wearing chetnik hats on your head...disgusting "

Good! You shouldn't forget it! The Chetniks fought against the facists and even helped the Americans (The Forgotten 500).

Lenard

pre 10 godina

Lucky we occupie Paris http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pt3PhXab0I0 we will win this one two we are on a juggernaut next the world. The French know how powerfull Croatians are. That is why Napoleon said :give me 100,000 Croatian soldiers and I will conquer the world. Don`t mess with Croatians as the Serbs so aptly found out to their wicked criminal folly.

Mike Thompson

pre 10 godina

Croatians are truly shameless and fearless. They will never, ever apologize for their Nazi past but rather defend it and any acts of racism vigorously. That Croat Association in Paris should be suing Josip Simunic for his Nazi Ustasha chant a few weeks ago in Zagreb and not Bob Dylan.

Bob Dylan was correct. The Serbian minority in Croatia is being persecuted more than ever in a relentless wave of neo Nazi hatred. And for Croats they simply defend it by saying its "patriotic". Germans said exactly the same in 1939.

Daniel

pre 10 godina

I will never forget when you guys got your medals at the handball tournament in Serbia wearing chetnik hats on your head...disgusting

Subara is not a chetnik hat but an old serbian traditional hat. Has nothing to do with the chetniks at all.

Amer

pre 10 godina

The people feeling insulted got it backwards, if that's an accurate translation - saying that "Serbs can sense Croat blood" means that it's the Serbs that he thinks are obsessed with race. At least, in the US, it was the Whites (certain Whites) who worried about identifying Blacks, and it was the Nazis who felt polluted by Jews.

Toronto Croatia

pre 10 godina

@ Balkan Anthropologist!

"Za Dom Spremi" or tearing down cyrillic signs...

what about at the soccer game when in belgrade you were burning our flag, singing entire fascist chetnik songs or chanting kill the croats so the albanians dont have any friends?! I will never forget when you guys got your medals at the handball tournament in Serbia wearing chetnik hats on your head...disgusting

You need to look at yourselves first before you comment on others

Balkan Anthropologist

pre 10 godina

Their case would be a little more convincing if a good number of their compatriots didn't exert so much effort in defending spontaneous shouts of "za dom spremni" at sporting events, tearing down signs in Cyrillic, and hero-worshiping individuals from the 1990s.

Za dom calling a spade a spade.

njegos

pre 10 godina

Tell this Croat organization that Dylan will apologize right after the Croat gov't. and the catholic church apologize for their roles in WWII.

Zoran

pre 10 godina

"If you’ve got a slave master or Klan in your blood, blacks can sense that. That stuff lingers to this day. Just like Jews can sense Nazi blood and the Serbs can sense Croatian blood."
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Kind of true my friends. I'm no sure about Jews still sensing Nazi blood anymore. We Serbs still sense it. Croatians are a dead give-away.

njegos

pre 10 godina

Tell this Croat organization that Dylan will apologize right after the Croat gov't. and the catholic church apologize for their roles in WWII.

Zoran

pre 10 godina

"If you’ve got a slave master or Klan in your blood, blacks can sense that. That stuff lingers to this day. Just like Jews can sense Nazi blood and the Serbs can sense Croatian blood."
--
Kind of true my friends. I'm no sure about Jews still sensing Nazi blood anymore. We Serbs still sense it. Croatians are a dead give-away.

Balkan Anthropologist

pre 10 godina

Their case would be a little more convincing if a good number of their compatriots didn't exert so much effort in defending spontaneous shouts of "za dom spremni" at sporting events, tearing down signs in Cyrillic, and hero-worshiping individuals from the 1990s.

Za dom calling a spade a spade.

luciano

pre 10 godina

Everybody should thank this Croat organization in France for bringing publicity to words truthfully spoken by this Jewish-American gentleman.We Jews will never forget Jasenovac and the monsters who ran this hellhole where the souls of our people lie in eternity with our Serbian brothers and sisters. Shalom be upon all of their souls.Zivila Serbia and to hell with the Za Dom beasts.

rob bugundy

pre 10 godina

Im not sure why Croat fascists are suing him? For what? Being Fascists? But isn't that what you WERE and continue to BE? THat is so freaking pathetic. USTASHE was a Croat regime during WW2 that allied itself with Nazi Germany..FACT. The debate is not whether Croatians are fascist…but how many Serbs, Jew, Gypsies you murdered…we say 800,000…you say 80,000. Somewhere you dropped a zero to justify you claim to innocence. For Homeland..READY…is a chant that you pigs used in WW2 and it's the same crap chant you use today. Your freaking flag is a Nazi Symbol as well..just an FYI. FACT.

MikeD

pre 10 godina

"I will never forget when you guys got your medals at the handball tournament in Serbia wearing chetnik hats on your head...disgusting "

Good! You shouldn't forget it! The Chetniks fought against the facists and even helped the Americans (The Forgotten 500).

Mike Canada

pre 10 godina

I feel bad for all the people that are half Serb half Croat.... I understand why they hate one another.... One observation I do have about both people. When I was at the Creation Club in Windsor Canada I was not welcomed and was looked at as an outsider.... Felt very dirty. When I was at the Serbian and Slovenian clubs I was welcomed and everyone was very nice... Not to say there are no bad people on the Serb side.. but I have not met to many nice Croats...

Mike Thompson

pre 10 godina

Croatians are truly shameless and fearless. They will never, ever apologize for their Nazi past but rather defend it and any acts of racism vigorously. That Croat Association in Paris should be suing Josip Simunic for his Nazi Ustasha chant a few weeks ago in Zagreb and not Bob Dylan.

Bob Dylan was correct. The Serbian minority in Croatia is being persecuted more than ever in a relentless wave of neo Nazi hatred. And for Croats they simply defend it by saying its "patriotic". Germans said exactly the same in 1939.

comenow

pre 10 godina

oh come on toronto croatian. what exactly is a chetnik hat? is it the type of hat that they wore, or some sort of magical hat that of itself brings thoughts of hatred into the wearers head?
some of the things you mentioned were valid points. those wrong serbs that chanted and proliferated hatred at games in belgrade were and are still vile, but that doesn't absolve the croatians who act in the same manner.
however, it is interesting that even though not all historical croatian flags had the checkerboard, this recent incarnation of the nation uses the checkerboard as their flag. you complain about hats, yet failed to realize that the croatian checkboard has identical connotations for serbs, and romas and jews from the former yugoslavia region, as does the nazi swastika for jews and romas around the world.
accept and be critical of your own failings (as an individual or group) as much as your wish to do for your neighbours. if someone behaves badly, call them out regardless of who they are.

Daniel

pre 10 godina

I will never forget when you guys got your medals at the handball tournament in Serbia wearing chetnik hats on your head...disgusting

Subara is not a chetnik hat but an old serbian traditional hat. Has nothing to do with the chetniks at all.

Toronto Croatia

pre 10 godina

@ Balkan Anthropologist!

"Za Dom Spremi" or tearing down cyrillic signs...

what about at the soccer game when in belgrade you were burning our flag, singing entire fascist chetnik songs or chanting kill the croats so the albanians dont have any friends?! I will never forget when you guys got your medals at the handball tournament in Serbia wearing chetnik hats on your head...disgusting

You need to look at yourselves first before you comment on others

Observer

pre 10 godina

Bam Bam the word is AUDACITY and it's you that has it !! Amer you need English lessons.
Toronto Cro it's not Ubi Ubi Hrvate,it's Ubi Ubi Ustashe and not many people would disagree with that except a fascist like you.
Questioner..Bob Dylan's brain is superior to yours.That's for sure!
Azir you're last but by no means unfortunately least.The truth of what happened in Ex-YU seems to have totally escaped you.The Serbs are the victims here as they were in WW2.

Mick

pre 10 godina

Lets not forget what Croatian Ustasha did WW2, what Bosnian SS Handzar muslims did WW2, and also what Albanian SS Skanderbeg did in WW2! NEVER FORGET THESE EVIL FASCISTS. That resurfaced in the 90's these things just linger on and dont change. Joe Simunic's NAZI chant, Mandzukic's NAZI salute with this little Albanian side kick supporter Shaqiri.

rote

pre 10 godina

Bob may quite be dissatisfied that the Croats have escaped Nurnberg Tribunal. Sure the younger Ustashas here are so dissapointed. But Jews always take very personal everything concerning WW2.

Smiths101

pre 10 godina

Dylan was clearly referring to the events of WW2.

In the 1991-95 Croatian War, the Croats had 13,583 casualties. In the 1992-95 Bosnian War, Bosniaks has 31,270 soldier and 33,071 civilian casualties. In the 1999 Kosovo War, the Albanians had 10,533 casualties.

Compare that to the the brutal Croatian WW2 mass extermination campaign which resulted in anywhere between 580,000 to 700,000 Serbian victims, murdered in the most medieval and bestial ways imaginable - German commanders in the area regularly reported their disgust.

The Croatian genocide campaign was unprecedented for the Balkans and never before seen on such scale, the oppression the Croats felt when they first came under Belgrade rule from 1918 onwards never justified such horrific mass slaughter of Serbs and Jews.

The Croatians were the only Nazi puppet regime in WW2 to run their own concentration camps (third largest after Auschwitz), everywhere else in occupied Europe the Germans had to run their concentration camps themselves. They also ran extermination camps exclusively for children - even the Nazis didn't do this (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jastrebarsko_concentration_camp).

Serbian victim numbers in WW2 FAR FAR FAAAR outweigh the casualty numbers in the 1990s on all sides.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II_persecution_of_Serbs
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jasenovac_concentration_camp

Bam Bam

pre 10 godina

Jewish lobby groups or Jews in general amaze me. While they avert attention away from the Palestinian holocaust and land grabs, they continue to call others racists. Bob Dylan, the country that gave him fame and fortune has the ordasity to call it racist and bigoted. Whatever the U.S do, good or bad is in the Jewish interest. Every country has its right wing including the Jews ( Pavelic, Nedic, Sharon ). They are the only race in the world that refuses to be known by the country they live in but insist to be called Jews instead. The Croats in France need to make sure that they sue this un-educated LSD taking wannabe and seek a public apology for this disgraceful act. For the record Palestinian lands have decreased by 90% since 1948, now you tell me, who's the bully , who's the racist.

MZ

pre 10 godina

Come on Leonard your now smoking some dangerous stuff to come up with a comment like that. The Croats/Bosnians/Albanians were all having their asses kicked by the Serbs until Uncle Sam and his allies decided to bomb Serbia and change the course of the War. Next time he won't be able to come to aid. Putin will make sure of that just he like he did in Georgia and Syria. How quickly NATO backed out then..Long Live Dylan and all the Brother Jewish people

Peggy

pre 10 godina

Lucky we occupie Paris [link] we will win this one two we are on a juggernaut next the world. The French know how powerfull Croatians are. That is why Napoleon said :give me 100,000 Croatian soldiers and I will conquer the world. Don`t mess with Croatians as the Serbs so aptly found out to their wicked criminal folly.
(Lenard, 29 November 2013 18:21)
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Did you get that quote from a site where you Croatians pat yourselves on the back and the only sources are your Croat writers?

http://www.topix.com/forum/world/croatia/T6RLJ9UOS64HMAFRP

Peggy

pre 10 godina

Sorry to bust your Serbian delusions not. World history and historians 99 out of a 100. Have written Serb facist chetniks were the best lap dogs of the nazis ever.
==================================

Is that why Nazis executed 100 Serbs for every German killed?
The best lap dogs ever were your lot the despicable Ustasha.

Comm. Parrisson

pre 10 godina

"Everyones blood looks and smells the same."
(RSA, 29 November 2013 14:07)

Hey, how dare you to come up with simple scientific observations and the truth here!!

SCP UK

pre 10 godina

Lenard always with the most ridiculous comment. Croats are now nothing more than a slave of NATO and the EU, you are not and never have been a powerful people. And stop twisting what Napoleon said, he talked about Dalmatians not Croats, educate yourself and learn that not all Dalmatians are Croats.

For anyone to compare Chetniks with ustase is hilarious, the Chetniks were a movement to defend against the Nazi invasion while the ustase were a puppet Nazi regime intent on wiping out Serbs, Jews and Roma. Massive difference.

Peggy

pre 10 godina

Everyones blood looks and smells the same.
(RSA, 29 November 2013 14:07)
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You obviously don't understand what he meant by this.

Put Up, Or Shut Up.

pre 10 godina

I love how you Serbs act as though your completely innocent in everything. Your monsters and have lots of things to be ashamed of too. The world was a little different 70-75 years ago you acted the same way in more recent times.
(Rob C, 30 November 2013 22:48)

I love the way people like you make such huge generalizations (to hide ignorance) and repeat such things over and over again but never offer any intelligent evidence. Now why is that? You can't even quote anyone who supports the serbs on these forums.

Peggy

pre 10 godina

Us maggots from the Balkans all have a hint of fascism in our bloodline, even you Peggy. Its who we are. We tried communism it didn't work.
(Bam Bam, 3 December 2013 08:57)
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That's in YOUR bloodline not mine. I am Serbian.

Rob C

pre 10 godina

I love how you Serbs act as though your completely innocent in everything. Your monsters and have lots of things to be ashamed of too. The world was a little different 70-75 years ago you acted the same way in more recent times.

Lenard

pre 10 godina

Lucky we occupie Paris http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pt3PhXab0I0 we will win this one two we are on a juggernaut next the world. The French know how powerfull Croatians are. That is why Napoleon said :give me 100,000 Croatian soldiers and I will conquer the world. Don`t mess with Croatians as the Serbs so aptly found out to their wicked criminal folly.

Questioner

pre 10 godina

"If you’ve got a slave master or Klan in your blood, blacks can sense that. That stuff lingers to this day. Just like Jews can sense Nazi blood and the Serbs can sense Croatian blood."

Having something in blood? Sensing blood? So far, I thought Bob Dylan has some brain in his head. Now I have some serious doubts about that...

Lenard

pre 10 godina

Lenard always with the most ridiculous comment. Croats are now nothing more than a slave of NATO and the EU, you are not and never have been a powerful people. And stop twisting what Napoleon said, he talked about Dalmatians not Croats, educate yourself and learn that not all Dalmatians are Croats. Yore wrong as usual SCP UK, NATO is the slave of the mighty inteligent Croatians. As the Serbs found out to their home grown criminal stupidity NATO is even more these days to Croatian wims. Dalmatians not Croats, educate yourself and learn that not all Dalmatians are Croats. Yore rite 2 or 3 mite be those elusive Croatian Serbs go figure just like the Himalayan Yeti scary.

For anyone to compare Chetniks with ustase is hilarious, the Chetniks were a movement to defend against the Nazi invasion while the ustase were a puppet Nazi regime intent on wiping out Serbs, Jews and Roma. Massive difference.
(SCP UK, 1 December 2013 14:56) Sorry to bust your Serbian delusions not. World history and historians 99 out of a 100. Have written Serb facist chetniks were the best lap dogs of the nazis ever. You just keep reading your chetnik proganda fable books. So you can sink deeper in to your chetnik delusional stuper. As the Serbs are well known to believe ther own BS of made up fable history as the rest of the real world moves on.

Brandon

pre 10 godina

The story of humanity is full of examples of cruelty by different nations against others. But for Serbs to claim moral ground after what just happened in Bosnia, Kosovo and Croatia , goes beyond any reason. Fine ,you are the eternal victims, nevermind we others are still trying to find our massacred civilians.

Amer

pre 10 godina

The people feeling insulted got it backwards, if that's an accurate translation - saying that "Serbs can sense Croat blood" means that it's the Serbs that he thinks are obsessed with race. At least, in the US, it was the Whites (certain Whites) who worried about identifying Blacks, and it was the Nazis who felt polluted by Jews.

ned taylor

pre 10 godina

If this case results in anything other than complete dismissal of the charges I will be amazed. I had always pencilled my Balkan friends in as good conspiracy theorists and many is the evening when I have sat around with them listening to ever more bizarre prognoses and, along with them, laughing myself silly. However, I didn't believe that they were so sensitive. There is as much of an 'insult' to Serbs as to Croats in what Zimmerman said if you really want to be picky, which I don't. Frankly the prospect of not being allowed back into France, if that is what results from a conviction and a refusal to apologise, sounds like a bonus not a punishment. Now I am about to be sued by sensitive Frenchmen no doubt!

Disopatjicolony

pre 10 godina

Oh my dear lenny. Carl gone to Iceland, miss your friend do you?
99/100 histories and historians will agree to your aesopian fabels?
Wrong! I alone represent 3 of those hundred, and web across the Internet I can smell you bull droppings every time you write. I say beat lap dogs ever?... Answer is:... Ante Pavalic and his ragtag group of lap dogs were forever hitlers biggest fans. They even all had the 3-5 posters on their walls, dreaming dreamy thoughts of the 3rd reich hopin one day to be called to the big boy table they set out on a mission to impress their German superstars' by trying to make their ironclad stomachs to turn at the sight of what Croatia could and would do.
Lenny, it's always fun reading your fiction. I hope you've collected it all. You can make the Jonny Carson show with your sense of humour.

azir

pre 10 godina

Rob Croat victims are rightfully sueing for Genocide, War Crimes and Crimes against Humanity.

I know you will cry .............BUT WHAT ABOUT JASENOVIC?

Two wrongs don't make a right.

Serbs committed all these crimes on foreign soil.

Croatia never invaded,occupied or entered Serbia.........

I support Croatia's justified demands for recognition and compensation.

Serbia's Jasenovic case as a little toooooooo late.

Steve

pre 10 godina

@ rob bugundy

http://srebrenica-genocide.blogspot.ca/2007/12/forgotten-1943-genocide-by-nazi-chetnik.html

Guess what you were facists too lol

Peggy

pre 10 godina

We've seen the effects of disease since the 1940's.
(victims again, 5 December 2013 19:52)
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Yes, we were victims of your thirst for blood again. Unless we finally learn to cast your lot off as the Cancer you are and never trust you again we will be your victims forever.

The disease is called Ustashaterrors and you are riddled with it. Your hate is only surpassed by something supernatural.

Eventually you will be brought to justice. Do as you wish but not for as long as you wish.

Bam Bam

pre 10 godina

@Peggy.........Was the massscre of up to 10, 000 innocent Bosniaks in Srebrenica an act of sadistic proportions with fascist tendencies. Us maggots from the Balkans all have a hint of fascism in our bloodline, even you Peggy. Its who we are. We tried communism it didn't work.

victims again

pre 10 godina

Stop it ladies and gentleman. No matter how hard you try to educate these people it's hopeless.

There's no cure for Chetnicosis. It's a disease that if not treated early in life will eat whatever is left of the human brain.
We've seen the effects of disease since the 1940's.

Toronto Croatia

pre 10 godina

@ Balkan Anthropologist!

"Za Dom Spremi" or tearing down cyrillic signs...

what about at the soccer game when in belgrade you were burning our flag, singing entire fascist chetnik songs or chanting kill the croats so the albanians dont have any friends?! I will never forget when you guys got your medals at the handball tournament in Serbia wearing chetnik hats on your head...disgusting

You need to look at yourselves first before you comment on others

Bam Bam

pre 10 godina

Jewish lobby groups or Jews in general amaze me. While they avert attention away from the Palestinian holocaust and land grabs, they continue to call others racists. Bob Dylan, the country that gave him fame and fortune has the ordasity to call it racist and bigoted. Whatever the U.S do, good or bad is in the Jewish interest. Every country has its right wing including the Jews ( Pavelic, Nedic, Sharon ). They are the only race in the world that refuses to be known by the country they live in but insist to be called Jews instead. The Croats in France need to make sure that they sue this un-educated LSD taking wannabe and seek a public apology for this disgraceful act. For the record Palestinian lands have decreased by 90% since 1948, now you tell me, who's the bully , who's the racist.

Lenard

pre 10 godina

Lucky we occupie Paris http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pt3PhXab0I0 we will win this one two we are on a juggernaut next the world. The French know how powerfull Croatians are. That is why Napoleon said :give me 100,000 Croatian soldiers and I will conquer the world. Don`t mess with Croatians as the Serbs so aptly found out to their wicked criminal folly.

Amer

pre 10 godina

The people feeling insulted got it backwards, if that's an accurate translation - saying that "Serbs can sense Croat blood" means that it's the Serbs that he thinks are obsessed with race. At least, in the US, it was the Whites (certain Whites) who worried about identifying Blacks, and it was the Nazis who felt polluted by Jews.

Questioner

pre 10 godina

"If you’ve got a slave master or Klan in your blood, blacks can sense that. That stuff lingers to this day. Just like Jews can sense Nazi blood and the Serbs can sense Croatian blood."

Having something in blood? Sensing blood? So far, I thought Bob Dylan has some brain in his head. Now I have some serious doubts about that...

azir

pre 10 godina

Rob Croat victims are rightfully sueing for Genocide, War Crimes and Crimes against Humanity.

I know you will cry .............BUT WHAT ABOUT JASENOVIC?

Two wrongs don't make a right.

Serbs committed all these crimes on foreign soil.

Croatia never invaded,occupied or entered Serbia.........

I support Croatia's justified demands for recognition and compensation.

Serbia's Jasenovic case as a little toooooooo late.

Rob C

pre 10 godina

I love how you Serbs act as though your completely innocent in everything. Your monsters and have lots of things to be ashamed of too. The world was a little different 70-75 years ago you acted the same way in more recent times.

rob bugundy

pre 10 godina

Im not sure why Croat fascists are suing him? For what? Being Fascists? But isn't that what you WERE and continue to BE? THat is so freaking pathetic. USTASHE was a Croat regime during WW2 that allied itself with Nazi Germany..FACT. The debate is not whether Croatians are fascist…but how many Serbs, Jew, Gypsies you murdered…we say 800,000…you say 80,000. Somewhere you dropped a zero to justify you claim to innocence. For Homeland..READY…is a chant that you pigs used in WW2 and it's the same crap chant you use today. Your freaking flag is a Nazi Symbol as well..just an FYI. FACT.

Zoran

pre 10 godina

"If you’ve got a slave master or Klan in your blood, blacks can sense that. That stuff lingers to this day. Just like Jews can sense Nazi blood and the Serbs can sense Croatian blood."
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Kind of true my friends. I'm no sure about Jews still sensing Nazi blood anymore. We Serbs still sense it. Croatians are a dead give-away.

Lenard

pre 10 godina

Lenard always with the most ridiculous comment. Croats are now nothing more than a slave of NATO and the EU, you are not and never have been a powerful people. And stop twisting what Napoleon said, he talked about Dalmatians not Croats, educate yourself and learn that not all Dalmatians are Croats. Yore wrong as usual SCP UK, NATO is the slave of the mighty inteligent Croatians. As the Serbs found out to their home grown criminal stupidity NATO is even more these days to Croatian wims. Dalmatians not Croats, educate yourself and learn that not all Dalmatians are Croats. Yore rite 2 or 3 mite be those elusive Croatian Serbs go figure just like the Himalayan Yeti scary.

For anyone to compare Chetniks with ustase is hilarious, the Chetniks were a movement to defend against the Nazi invasion while the ustase were a puppet Nazi regime intent on wiping out Serbs, Jews and Roma. Massive difference.
(SCP UK, 1 December 2013 14:56) Sorry to bust your Serbian delusions not. World history and historians 99 out of a 100. Have written Serb facist chetniks were the best lap dogs of the nazis ever. You just keep reading your chetnik proganda fable books. So you can sink deeper in to your chetnik delusional stuper. As the Serbs are well known to believe ther own BS of made up fable history as the rest of the real world moves on.

Bam Bam

pre 10 godina

@Peggy.........Was the massscre of up to 10, 000 innocent Bosniaks in Srebrenica an act of sadistic proportions with fascist tendencies. Us maggots from the Balkans all have a hint of fascism in our bloodline, even you Peggy. Its who we are. We tried communism it didn't work.

comenow

pre 10 godina

oh come on toronto croatian. what exactly is a chetnik hat? is it the type of hat that they wore, or some sort of magical hat that of itself brings thoughts of hatred into the wearers head?
some of the things you mentioned were valid points. those wrong serbs that chanted and proliferated hatred at games in belgrade were and are still vile, but that doesn't absolve the croatians who act in the same manner.
however, it is interesting that even though not all historical croatian flags had the checkerboard, this recent incarnation of the nation uses the checkerboard as their flag. you complain about hats, yet failed to realize that the croatian checkboard has identical connotations for serbs, and romas and jews from the former yugoslavia region, as does the nazi swastika for jews and romas around the world.
accept and be critical of your own failings (as an individual or group) as much as your wish to do for your neighbours. if someone behaves badly, call them out regardless of who they are.

Brandon

pre 10 godina

The story of humanity is full of examples of cruelty by different nations against others. But for Serbs to claim moral ground after what just happened in Bosnia, Kosovo and Croatia , goes beyond any reason. Fine ,you are the eternal victims, nevermind we others are still trying to find our massacred civilians.

luciano

pre 10 godina

Everybody should thank this Croat organization in France for bringing publicity to words truthfully spoken by this Jewish-American gentleman.We Jews will never forget Jasenovac and the monsters who ran this hellhole where the souls of our people lie in eternity with our Serbian brothers and sisters. Shalom be upon all of their souls.Zivila Serbia and to hell with the Za Dom beasts.

MikeD

pre 10 godina

"I will never forget when you guys got your medals at the handball tournament in Serbia wearing chetnik hats on your head...disgusting "

Good! You shouldn't forget it! The Chetniks fought against the facists and even helped the Americans (The Forgotten 500).

rote

pre 10 godina

Bob may quite be dissatisfied that the Croats have escaped Nurnberg Tribunal. Sure the younger Ustashas here are so dissapointed. But Jews always take very personal everything concerning WW2.

Mick

pre 10 godina

Lets not forget what Croatian Ustasha did WW2, what Bosnian SS Handzar muslims did WW2, and also what Albanian SS Skanderbeg did in WW2! NEVER FORGET THESE EVIL FASCISTS. That resurfaced in the 90's these things just linger on and dont change. Joe Simunic's NAZI chant, Mandzukic's NAZI salute with this little Albanian side kick supporter Shaqiri.

Peggy

pre 10 godina

Sorry to bust your Serbian delusions not. World history and historians 99 out of a 100. Have written Serb facist chetniks were the best lap dogs of the nazis ever.
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Is that why Nazis executed 100 Serbs for every German killed?
The best lap dogs ever were your lot the despicable Ustasha.

njegos

pre 10 godina

Tell this Croat organization that Dylan will apologize right after the Croat gov't. and the catholic church apologize for their roles in WWII.

Mike Thompson

pre 10 godina

Croatians are truly shameless and fearless. They will never, ever apologize for their Nazi past but rather defend it and any acts of racism vigorously. That Croat Association in Paris should be suing Josip Simunic for his Nazi Ustasha chant a few weeks ago in Zagreb and not Bob Dylan.

Bob Dylan was correct. The Serbian minority in Croatia is being persecuted more than ever in a relentless wave of neo Nazi hatred. And for Croats they simply defend it by saying its "patriotic". Germans said exactly the same in 1939.

Peggy

pre 10 godina

Lucky we occupie Paris [link] we will win this one two we are on a juggernaut next the world. The French know how powerfull Croatians are. That is why Napoleon said :give me 100,000 Croatian soldiers and I will conquer the world. Don`t mess with Croatians as the Serbs so aptly found out to their wicked criminal folly.
(Lenard, 29 November 2013 18:21)
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Did you get that quote from a site where you Croatians pat yourselves on the back and the only sources are your Croat writers?

http://www.topix.com/forum/world/croatia/T6RLJ9UOS64HMAFRP

Peggy

pre 10 godina

Everyones blood looks and smells the same.
(RSA, 29 November 2013 14:07)
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You obviously don't understand what he meant by this.

Put Up, Or Shut Up.

pre 10 godina

I love how you Serbs act as though your completely innocent in everything. Your monsters and have lots of things to be ashamed of too. The world was a little different 70-75 years ago you acted the same way in more recent times.
(Rob C, 30 November 2013 22:48)

I love the way people like you make such huge generalizations (to hide ignorance) and repeat such things over and over again but never offer any intelligent evidence. Now why is that? You can't even quote anyone who supports the serbs on these forums.

Peggy

pre 10 godina

Us maggots from the Balkans all have a hint of fascism in our bloodline, even you Peggy. Its who we are. We tried communism it didn't work.
(Bam Bam, 3 December 2013 08:57)
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That's in YOUR bloodline not mine. I am Serbian.

Smiths101

pre 10 godina

Dylan was clearly referring to the events of WW2.

In the 1991-95 Croatian War, the Croats had 13,583 casualties. In the 1992-95 Bosnian War, Bosniaks has 31,270 soldier and 33,071 civilian casualties. In the 1999 Kosovo War, the Albanians had 10,533 casualties.

Compare that to the the brutal Croatian WW2 mass extermination campaign which resulted in anywhere between 580,000 to 700,000 Serbian victims, murdered in the most medieval and bestial ways imaginable - German commanders in the area regularly reported their disgust.

The Croatian genocide campaign was unprecedented for the Balkans and never before seen on such scale, the oppression the Croats felt when they first came under Belgrade rule from 1918 onwards never justified such horrific mass slaughter of Serbs and Jews.

The Croatians were the only Nazi puppet regime in WW2 to run their own concentration camps (third largest after Auschwitz), everywhere else in occupied Europe the Germans had to run their concentration camps themselves. They also ran extermination camps exclusively for children - even the Nazis didn't do this (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jastrebarsko_concentration_camp).

Serbian victim numbers in WW2 FAR FAR FAAAR outweigh the casualty numbers in the 1990s on all sides.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II_persecution_of_Serbs
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jasenovac_concentration_camp

Balkan Anthropologist

pre 10 godina

Their case would be a little more convincing if a good number of their compatriots didn't exert so much effort in defending spontaneous shouts of "za dom spremni" at sporting events, tearing down signs in Cyrillic, and hero-worshiping individuals from the 1990s.

Za dom calling a spade a spade.

Comm. Parrisson

pre 10 godina

"Everyones blood looks and smells the same."
(RSA, 29 November 2013 14:07)

Hey, how dare you to come up with simple scientific observations and the truth here!!

Mike Canada

pre 10 godina

I feel bad for all the people that are half Serb half Croat.... I understand why they hate one another.... One observation I do have about both people. When I was at the Creation Club in Windsor Canada I was not welcomed and was looked at as an outsider.... Felt very dirty. When I was at the Serbian and Slovenian clubs I was welcomed and everyone was very nice... Not to say there are no bad people on the Serb side.. but I have not met to many nice Croats...

Daniel

pre 10 godina

I will never forget when you guys got your medals at the handball tournament in Serbia wearing chetnik hats on your head...disgusting

Subara is not a chetnik hat but an old serbian traditional hat. Has nothing to do with the chetniks at all.

MZ

pre 10 godina

Come on Leonard your now smoking some dangerous stuff to come up with a comment like that. The Croats/Bosnians/Albanians were all having their asses kicked by the Serbs until Uncle Sam and his allies decided to bomb Serbia and change the course of the War. Next time he won't be able to come to aid. Putin will make sure of that just he like he did in Georgia and Syria. How quickly NATO backed out then..Long Live Dylan and all the Brother Jewish people

Observer

pre 10 godina

Bam Bam the word is AUDACITY and it's you that has it !! Amer you need English lessons.
Toronto Cro it's not Ubi Ubi Hrvate,it's Ubi Ubi Ustashe and not many people would disagree with that except a fascist like you.
Questioner..Bob Dylan's brain is superior to yours.That's for sure!
Azir you're last but by no means unfortunately least.The truth of what happened in Ex-YU seems to have totally escaped you.The Serbs are the victims here as they were in WW2.

SCP UK

pre 10 godina

Lenard always with the most ridiculous comment. Croats are now nothing more than a slave of NATO and the EU, you are not and never have been a powerful people. And stop twisting what Napoleon said, he talked about Dalmatians not Croats, educate yourself and learn that not all Dalmatians are Croats.

For anyone to compare Chetniks with ustase is hilarious, the Chetniks were a movement to defend against the Nazi invasion while the ustase were a puppet Nazi regime intent on wiping out Serbs, Jews and Roma. Massive difference.

Disopatjicolony

pre 10 godina

Oh my dear lenny. Carl gone to Iceland, miss your friend do you?
99/100 histories and historians will agree to your aesopian fabels?
Wrong! I alone represent 3 of those hundred, and web across the Internet I can smell you bull droppings every time you write. I say beat lap dogs ever?... Answer is:... Ante Pavalic and his ragtag group of lap dogs were forever hitlers biggest fans. They even all had the 3-5 posters on their walls, dreaming dreamy thoughts of the 3rd reich hopin one day to be called to the big boy table they set out on a mission to impress their German superstars' by trying to make their ironclad stomachs to turn at the sight of what Croatia could and would do.
Lenny, it's always fun reading your fiction. I hope you've collected it all. You can make the Jonny Carson show with your sense of humour.

Peggy

pre 10 godina

We've seen the effects of disease since the 1940's.
(victims again, 5 December 2013 19:52)
================================
Yes, we were victims of your thirst for blood again. Unless we finally learn to cast your lot off as the Cancer you are and never trust you again we will be your victims forever.

The disease is called Ustashaterrors and you are riddled with it. Your hate is only surpassed by something supernatural.

Eventually you will be brought to justice. Do as you wish but not for as long as you wish.

Steve

pre 10 godina

@ rob bugundy

http://srebrenica-genocide.blogspot.ca/2007/12/forgotten-1943-genocide-by-nazi-chetnik.html

Guess what you were facists too lol

ned taylor

pre 10 godina

If this case results in anything other than complete dismissal of the charges I will be amazed. I had always pencilled my Balkan friends in as good conspiracy theorists and many is the evening when I have sat around with them listening to ever more bizarre prognoses and, along with them, laughing myself silly. However, I didn't believe that they were so sensitive. There is as much of an 'insult' to Serbs as to Croats in what Zimmerman said if you really want to be picky, which I don't. Frankly the prospect of not being allowed back into France, if that is what results from a conviction and a refusal to apologise, sounds like a bonus not a punishment. Now I am about to be sued by sensitive Frenchmen no doubt!

victims again

pre 10 godina

Stop it ladies and gentleman. No matter how hard you try to educate these people it's hopeless.

There's no cure for Chetnicosis. It's a disease that if not treated early in life will eat whatever is left of the human brain.
We've seen the effects of disease since the 1940's.