"Alexander of Macedonia" no more: Highway name changed
Workers in Macedonia on Wednesday removed a sign reading "Alexander of Macedonia" from a highway that will be renamed to "Friendship."
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(EPA)
Greek Foreign Minister Nikos Kotzias said on Monday that he would visit Skopje "in the next few days" and bring with him a proposal to resolve the dispute.
The Greek government's stance is that a framework that guarantees the closure of the problem is the neighboring country adopting "a compound name for general use" while amending parts of its Constitution, while Macedonia is ready to accept a geographical term in the name of the state - but without changing the Constitution, or touching "the language and identity."
The negotiating process to resolve the name dispute began on February 13 in Vienna, when Greek and Macedonian foreign ministers met with UN mediator Matthew Nimetz.
(EPA)
In addition, Macedonian Prime Minister Zoran Zaev said he believed it was possible to resolve the dispute with Greece by NATO's summit in July.
The United Nations has been trying to find a compromise solution for this issue for the last 27 years. Athens does not recognize the name "Republic of Macedonia" and claims that this has been the name of its northern province since ancient times. For this reason, Greece has blocked Macedonia's accession to NATO.
Due to the dispute, Macedonia was in 1991 admitted to the UN under the provisional name of the Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia (FRYOM).
Zaev and the Albanian nationalists are taking over the country. This is appalling. This may end up even worse than Kosovo. Forget Macedonia having to give up a piece of its land to intruders -- in the end they might take over all of Macedonia. The injustice here is unparalleled. What Greeks are too proud to see, is that they should ally with Macedonia. Each time they strike a blow to Macedonia, they are further helping the Albanians take over. See how they like it when "Greater Albania" starts spreading to the beaches of Thessaloniki. They will come to regret this. For that I am sure. Ask any Serbian if they have seen this happen before...
(Human, 6 March 2018 21:02)
It all started with the uneducated goat herder writing poetry about his village. Georgi Pulevski claimed that he was a direct decendent of Alexander the Great. I tend to think he was a decendent of Alexander the Goat. Like Ljubèo Georgievski he had an about face and claimed to be Bulgarian. In fact he stated he regretted not being able to execute the unification of Bulgaria and Ottoman Macedonia. Antiquization was replaced by a pan Slavic united Bulgaria. Georgi Pulevski went from being a goat herder to a stonemason to a founder of Macedonism to a Bulgaphile upon his death. Goergievski and Pulevski are similar in this regard. They both renounced their new found religion and came to their senses. With the death of the uneducated stonemason the Bulgarians of Vardar Macedonia were cured until the unimaginable happened – TITO. A half caste Croat/Slovene redefines the Bulgarians of Vardar Banovina as Macedonians. The Diaspora left their little villages with a suitcase and a story. Tito’s story. Just when it couldn’t get any worse Todov and his deluded intellectuals addicted to Pulevski poetry brainwash their population. FYROM is born. Gruevski is the second coming of Pulevski.
The ethnic Bulgarian will always be the ethnic Bulgarian. The ethnic Greek will always be an ethnic Greek. Language defines both of us. The Antiquization story is flawed. This why FYROM today has failed. Let’s not nation build on an uneducated stonemason.
(Terry, 25 February 2018 13:18)
I’m a little confused, So Ziev representing a political party that only won 38% of the vote in 2016, had to go into coalition with ‘all’ of the ethnic Albanian parties in Macedonia (who collectively only won 17% of the vote in 2016), to form a slim majority government of 55%. Now he believes that this gives him a mandate to settle the name dispute with Greece
(Q&A, 22 February 2018 07:00)
Yes, 55% is the majority of Macedonia's citizens. What are you confused about, dear? It's very simple math, unless, of course, you believe that all citizens of Macedonia make up more than 110% of the population lol
(icj1, 22 February 2018 14:43)
Is it the way it’s spelt or the way it’s verbally said in general that is causing issues. If it’s the spelling the Greeks have a problem with, why don’t the Macedonians mis spell the name or by adding a silent letter to the name : Mass-erdonian or Mace-dhonian. In conclusion their flag is awful, it looks like a Japanese war flag from WW2. It needs a new look.
(Dr. Kandic, 22 February 2018 11:49)
I’m a little confused, So Ziev representing a political party that only won 38% of the vote in 2016, had to go into coalition with ‘all’ of the ethnic Albanian parties in Macedonia (who collectively only won 17% of the vote in 2016), to form a slim majority government of 55%. Now he believes that this gives him a mandate to settle the name dispute with Greece in some secret shady backroom meetings, without any input from any opposition parties or even the President of the Republic of Macedonia? How is this going to work?
Going by the official stats, Zievs party only won 49% of the ethnic Macedonian vote in 2016, so he can’t even claim that he represents the majority of ethnic Macedonians in these secret negotiations with Greece.
And could someone explain if a simple majority vote in parliament can legally change the name of Macedonia to (whatever..) then what is stopping the current opposition party from changing it back to the ‘Republic of Macedonia’ once they eventually get re-elected? This makes no sense.
I think all Macedonians what to see an end to this ‘so called’ name dispute, so why can’t Ziev be more transparent in his negotiations with his Greek counterpart? Let’s see what was put on the table by his Greek counterpart, is it a reasonable solution? Lets hear it? Because In the absence of any real official information, rumours begin to be treated as facts, and people (on both sides of the debate) then start to loose confidents the negotiators.
(Q&A, 22 February 2018 07:00)
Sorry, my bad - it was a Czech linguist, not Polish.
The Hittites did call their dialect "po nashili", enough said.
And they lived like 800 years earlier than Homeros.
It would be wrong to call their language Slavonic, it was simply to early.
But the relationship is obvious.
So (the ancestors of) Slavs were around, so all other current element.
BTW: let's guess, what about that mysterious, agglutinative Hatti language (the sacral, non-Indo-European) language of Hittites...
(Ataman, 22 February 2018 01:33)
a slav has no link to antiquity.
(elefterios, 21 February 2018 22:46)
Yep, probably true for Macedonia.
But don't forget the ones who did beat Ramses-II in the battle.
And their language was decyphered with the help of Polish and Russian.
See Hittites.
BTW: that was before Homeros, right?
(Ataman, 22 February 2018 01:21)
guinea/new guinea, zealand/new zealand, england/new england, macedonia/new macedonia. one is greek and ancient one is new and slavic. lets not complicate simple things. a slav has no link to antiquity.
(elefterios, 21 February 2018 22:46)
Alexander of Macedonia... A man's man who would bend over backwards for his men. Very Greek indeed.
(Tony (a Brit currently working in Berlin), 21 February 2018 22:14)
Funny story with fake countries is you can change anything faster than one can say WHAT. The same goes for Serbia. They have to do with Constantine the Great as much as Macedonia has to do with Alexander the Great.
(Avni, 21 February 2018 20:45)
Gornomakadonia will be known as Govnomakadonkey. Additionally the question over language is hugely controversial - something only now been considered as an after thought of zaev though clearly Greece's trojan.
Constitutional change will be pushed through by Zaev - his western masters (EUSSA) have seen to it with official languages being in this case Govnomakadonkey and Albanian. EUSSA demand it of its puppets.
(Kozjak, 21 February 2018 19:00)
guinea/new guinea, zealand/new zealand, england/new england, macedonia/new macedonia. one is greek and ancient one is new and slavic. lets not complicate simple things. a slav has no link to antiquity.
(elefterios, 21 February 2018 22:46)
Funny story with fake countries is you can change anything faster than one can say WHAT. The same goes for Serbia. They have to do with Constantine the Great as much as Macedonia has to do with Alexander the Great.
(Avni, 21 February 2018 20:45)
Gornomakadonia will be known as Govnomakadonkey. Additionally the question over language is hugely controversial - something only now been considered as an after thought of zaev though clearly Greece's trojan.
Constitutional change will be pushed through by Zaev - his western masters (EUSSA) have seen to it with official languages being in this case Govnomakadonkey and Albanian. EUSSA demand it of its puppets.
(Kozjak, 21 February 2018 19:00)
I’m a little confused, So Ziev representing a political party that only won 38% of the vote in 2016, had to go into coalition with ‘all’ of the ethnic Albanian parties in Macedonia (who collectively only won 17% of the vote in 2016), to form a slim majority government of 55%. Now he believes that this gives him a mandate to settle the name dispute with Greece
(Q&A, 22 February 2018 07:00)
Yes, 55% is the majority of Macedonia's citizens. What are you confused about, dear? It's very simple math, unless, of course, you believe that all citizens of Macedonia make up more than 110% of the population lol
(icj1, 22 February 2018 14:43)
Is it the way it’s spelt or the way it’s verbally said in general that is causing issues. If it’s the spelling the Greeks have a problem with, why don’t the Macedonians mis spell the name or by adding a silent letter to the name : Mass-erdonian or Mace-dhonian. In conclusion their flag is awful, it looks like a Japanese war flag from WW2. It needs a new look.
(Dr. Kandic, 22 February 2018 11:49)
Alexander of Macedonia... A man's man who would bend over backwards for his men. Very Greek indeed.
(Tony (a Brit currently working in Berlin), 21 February 2018 22:14)
It all started with the uneducated goat herder writing poetry about his village. Georgi Pulevski claimed that he was a direct decendent of Alexander the Great. I tend to think he was a decendent of Alexander the Goat. Like Ljubèo Georgievski he had an about face and claimed to be Bulgarian. In fact he stated he regretted not being able to execute the unification of Bulgaria and Ottoman Macedonia. Antiquization was replaced by a pan Slavic united Bulgaria. Georgi Pulevski went from being a goat herder to a stonemason to a founder of Macedonism to a Bulgaphile upon his death. Goergievski and Pulevski are similar in this regard. They both renounced their new found religion and came to their senses. With the death of the uneducated stonemason the Bulgarians of Vardar Macedonia were cured until the unimaginable happened – TITO. A half caste Croat/Slovene redefines the Bulgarians of Vardar Banovina as Macedonians. The Diaspora left their little villages with a suitcase and a story. Tito’s story. Just when it couldn’t get any worse Todov and his deluded intellectuals addicted to Pulevski poetry brainwash their population. FYROM is born. Gruevski is the second coming of Pulevski.
The ethnic Bulgarian will always be the ethnic Bulgarian. The ethnic Greek will always be an ethnic Greek. Language defines both of us. The Antiquization story is flawed. This why FYROM today has failed. Let’s not nation build on an uneducated stonemason.
(Terry, 25 February 2018 13:18)
a slav has no link to antiquity.
(elefterios, 21 February 2018 22:46)
Yep, probably true for Macedonia.
But don't forget the ones who did beat Ramses-II in the battle.
And their language was decyphered with the help of Polish and Russian.
See Hittites.
BTW: that was before Homeros, right?
(Ataman, 22 February 2018 01:21)
Sorry, my bad - it was a Czech linguist, not Polish.
The Hittites did call their dialect "po nashili", enough said.
And they lived like 800 years earlier than Homeros.
It would be wrong to call their language Slavonic, it was simply to early.
But the relationship is obvious.
So (the ancestors of) Slavs were around, so all other current element.
BTW: let's guess, what about that mysterious, agglutinative Hatti language (the sacral, non-Indo-European) language of Hittites...
(Ataman, 22 February 2018 01:33)
I’m a little confused, So Ziev representing a political party that only won 38% of the vote in 2016, had to go into coalition with ‘all’ of the ethnic Albanian parties in Macedonia (who collectively only won 17% of the vote in 2016), to form a slim majority government of 55%. Now he believes that this gives him a mandate to settle the name dispute with Greece in some secret shady backroom meetings, without any input from any opposition parties or even the President of the Republic of Macedonia? How is this going to work?
Going by the official stats, Zievs party only won 49% of the ethnic Macedonian vote in 2016, so he can’t even claim that he represents the majority of ethnic Macedonians in these secret negotiations with Greece.
And could someone explain if a simple majority vote in parliament can legally change the name of Macedonia to (whatever..) then what is stopping the current opposition party from changing it back to the ‘Republic of Macedonia’ once they eventually get re-elected? This makes no sense.
I think all Macedonians what to see an end to this ‘so called’ name dispute, so why can’t Ziev be more transparent in his negotiations with his Greek counterpart? Let’s see what was put on the table by his Greek counterpart, is it a reasonable solution? Lets hear it? Because In the absence of any real official information, rumours begin to be treated as facts, and people (on both sides of the debate) then start to loose confidents the negotiators.
(Q&A, 22 February 2018 07:00)
Zaev and the Albanian nationalists are taking over the country. This is appalling. This may end up even worse than Kosovo. Forget Macedonia having to give up a piece of its land to intruders -- in the end they might take over all of Macedonia. The injustice here is unparalleled. What Greeks are too proud to see, is that they should ally with Macedonia. Each time they strike a blow to Macedonia, they are further helping the Albanians take over. See how they like it when "Greater Albania" starts spreading to the beaches of Thessaloniki. They will come to regret this. For that I am sure. Ask any Serbian if they have seen this happen before...
(Human, 6 March 2018 21:02)
Funny story with fake countries is you can change anything faster than one can say WHAT. The same goes for Serbia. They have to do with Constantine the Great as much as Macedonia has to do with Alexander the Great.
(Avni, 21 February 2018 20:45)
Alexander of Macedonia... A man's man who would bend over backwards for his men. Very Greek indeed.
(Tony (a Brit currently working in Berlin), 21 February 2018 22:14)
Gornomakadonia will be known as Govnomakadonkey. Additionally the question over language is hugely controversial - something only now been considered as an after thought of zaev though clearly Greece's trojan.
Constitutional change will be pushed through by Zaev - his western masters (EUSSA) have seen to it with official languages being in this case Govnomakadonkey and Albanian. EUSSA demand it of its puppets.
(Kozjak, 21 February 2018 19:00)
a slav has no link to antiquity.
(elefterios, 21 February 2018 22:46)
Yep, probably true for Macedonia.
But don't forget the ones who did beat Ramses-II in the battle.
And their language was decyphered with the help of Polish and Russian.
See Hittites.
BTW: that was before Homeros, right?
(Ataman, 22 February 2018 01:21)
I’m a little confused, So Ziev representing a political party that only won 38% of the vote in 2016, had to go into coalition with ‘all’ of the ethnic Albanian parties in Macedonia (who collectively only won 17% of the vote in 2016), to form a slim majority government of 55%. Now he believes that this gives him a mandate to settle the name dispute with Greece in some secret shady backroom meetings, without any input from any opposition parties or even the President of the Republic of Macedonia? How is this going to work?
Going by the official stats, Zievs party only won 49% of the ethnic Macedonian vote in 2016, so he can’t even claim that he represents the majority of ethnic Macedonians in these secret negotiations with Greece.
And could someone explain if a simple majority vote in parliament can legally change the name of Macedonia to (whatever..) then what is stopping the current opposition party from changing it back to the ‘Republic of Macedonia’ once they eventually get re-elected? This makes no sense.
I think all Macedonians what to see an end to this ‘so called’ name dispute, so why can’t Ziev be more transparent in his negotiations with his Greek counterpart? Let’s see what was put on the table by his Greek counterpart, is it a reasonable solution? Lets hear it? Because In the absence of any real official information, rumours begin to be treated as facts, and people (on both sides of the debate) then start to loose confidents the negotiators.
(Q&A, 22 February 2018 07:00)
Is it the way it’s spelt or the way it’s verbally said in general that is causing issues. If it’s the spelling the Greeks have a problem with, why don’t the Macedonians mis spell the name or by adding a silent letter to the name : Mass-erdonian or Mace-dhonian. In conclusion their flag is awful, it looks like a Japanese war flag from WW2. It needs a new look.
(Dr. Kandic, 22 February 2018 11:49)
I’m a little confused, So Ziev representing a political party that only won 38% of the vote in 2016, had to go into coalition with ‘all’ of the ethnic Albanian parties in Macedonia (who collectively only won 17% of the vote in 2016), to form a slim majority government of 55%. Now he believes that this gives him a mandate to settle the name dispute with Greece
(Q&A, 22 February 2018 07:00)
Yes, 55% is the majority of Macedonia's citizens. What are you confused about, dear? It's very simple math, unless, of course, you believe that all citizens of Macedonia make up more than 110% of the population lol
(icj1, 22 February 2018 14:43)
Sorry, my bad - it was a Czech linguist, not Polish.
The Hittites did call their dialect "po nashili", enough said.
And they lived like 800 years earlier than Homeros.
It would be wrong to call their language Slavonic, it was simply to early.
But the relationship is obvious.
So (the ancestors of) Slavs were around, so all other current element.
BTW: let's guess, what about that mysterious, agglutinative Hatti language (the sacral, non-Indo-European) language of Hittites...
(Ataman, 22 February 2018 01:33)
It all started with the uneducated goat herder writing poetry about his village. Georgi Pulevski claimed that he was a direct decendent of Alexander the Great. I tend to think he was a decendent of Alexander the Goat. Like Ljubèo Georgievski he had an about face and claimed to be Bulgarian. In fact he stated he regretted not being able to execute the unification of Bulgaria and Ottoman Macedonia. Antiquization was replaced by a pan Slavic united Bulgaria. Georgi Pulevski went from being a goat herder to a stonemason to a founder of Macedonism to a Bulgaphile upon his death. Goergievski and Pulevski are similar in this regard. They both renounced their new found religion and came to their senses. With the death of the uneducated stonemason the Bulgarians of Vardar Macedonia were cured until the unimaginable happened – TITO. A half caste Croat/Slovene redefines the Bulgarians of Vardar Banovina as Macedonians. The Diaspora left their little villages with a suitcase and a story. Tito’s story. Just when it couldn’t get any worse Todov and his deluded intellectuals addicted to Pulevski poetry brainwash their population. FYROM is born. Gruevski is the second coming of Pulevski.
The ethnic Bulgarian will always be the ethnic Bulgarian. The ethnic Greek will always be an ethnic Greek. Language defines both of us. The Antiquization story is flawed. This why FYROM today has failed. Let’s not nation build on an uneducated stonemason.
(Terry, 25 February 2018 13:18)
guinea/new guinea, zealand/new zealand, england/new england, macedonia/new macedonia. one is greek and ancient one is new and slavic. lets not complicate simple things. a slav has no link to antiquity.
(elefterios, 21 February 2018 22:46)
Zaev and the Albanian nationalists are taking over the country. This is appalling. This may end up even worse than Kosovo. Forget Macedonia having to give up a piece of its land to intruders -- in the end they might take over all of Macedonia. The injustice here is unparalleled. What Greeks are too proud to see, is that they should ally with Macedonia. Each time they strike a blow to Macedonia, they are further helping the Albanians take over. See how they like it when "Greater Albania" starts spreading to the beaches of Thessaloniki. They will come to regret this. For that I am sure. Ask any Serbian if they have seen this happen before...
(Human, 6 March 2018 21:02)