Political Sciences Professor Ivo Viskovic believes Aleksandar Vucic's Moscow visit in the beginning of a new phase in relations between Serbia and Russia.
"West won't like Serbia's military cooperation with Russia"
Political Sciences Professor Ivo Viskovic believes Aleksandar Vucic's Moscow visit in the beginning of a new phase in relations between Serbia and Russia.
Source: Tanjug
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This professor and former diplomat told Tanjug that when it comes to bilateral relations, the prime minister's visit this week to Russia "undoubtedly has great importance" and that such visits at the highest level "always give results." Viskovic is convinced that this course will be the beginning of a new phase in relations between the two countries.
He added that he finds the reaction of the West to the messages that have arrived from Moscow to be "the most important at this moment" - "because something has happened that is at this point extremely delicate for them, and that is the strengthening of military cooperation between Serbia and Russia."
"In the current crisis in international relations which exists between the West and Russia, it certainly won't be received benevolently and I fear that there will be a lot of unfavorable comments for a while," predicted Viskovic.
He added, however, that "the task of the politics" is to explain what happened and therefore believes that Serbia's diplomacy and state leaders "will very soon have contacts with Western statesmen and at least with their ambassadors here in Belgrade - and that the intention and the results of the visit will be explained quite clearly."
Viskovic also thinks it is important how the region will see the visit, and in this respect expects the acquisition of arms from Russia "to be treated especially carefully by our neighbors." He added he was "convinced that we, in a rather unpleasant moment, had to do something because the situation suddenly became more complicated, outside of our will and our participation."
"On the one hand, the refugee crisis, on the other the instability in some countries have led - as is well known, and the prime minister has recently said it publicly - to us believing that the situation in the region has been destabilized, and that we must carefully consider the possible consequences for our country," said Viskovic, adding that he personally did not perceive the situation to be "that serious," and instead considers it to be "a little better." He also remarked it was not necessary "to move towards more arming."
Viskovic concluded, however, that it was "obvious the state leadership's assessment was that the destabilization was so serious or dangerous that it must be prevented even with such measures as making it known that we are able to defend ourselves, and that nobody must endanger us in any way."
You have a really big problem!
You have a double personality!
Once you hate muslims and then you like them.
I will highly recommend to you to read your previous comments about muslims.
(Joni, 3 November 2015 13:13)
There was no betrayel in 1999. Russia just was not in a good position to do any thing at that time. Best the storm blew over and now a new era upon us all! God Bless you rote for all the support for Serbia on B92!!!
(Dragoljub Djurkovic, 3 November 2015 02:00)
serbia should buy some weapons from USA too, in order to be fully considered neutral and peaceful.
(noire, 31 October 2015 02:02)
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Serbia should stick to Russian weapons.
Russia has repeatedly let Serbia down over history, the last notable time was prior to the bombing of Kosovo by Nato. As part of the Contact Group Russia allowed Nato to take unilateral military action because the aggressor Serbs over played their hand.
(Daniel, 2 November 2015 03:10)
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Russia never let Serbs down. Back in 1999 Russia was let down by Yeltsin the drunk and they were in no position to help anyone.
Even then they tried.
You can try all you like but you will never succeed in breaking our bond. Now that Russia is in a better position it will be up to Serbia how much help they get.
If Serbs are smart they will turn to Russia and Russia will reward them. If they are stupid like Serbs in Montenegro they will turn Russia away from them.
(Peggy, 3 November 2015 01:46)
Bob : Brotherhood relates to parentage, not political wishful thinking.
It can be so but in the context of WW2 brotherhood was when a Serb died in the Balkans saving a life in Russia and those 7900 Russians who died in Belgrade also saved 7900 of lives. Whatever you say or do the two peoples are spiritually very close. And sometimes Serbs behave as if there were 150 million of them. When time comes both Russians and Serbs are ready to pay any price and we both know what it cost us in the past. Why do you think I am here ? Because Serbs is the only people who has never betrayed us even when we do deserved in 1999. Russians still feel responsible for betraying Serbia though we weren’t free ourselves. I am an optimist despite the mistrust that I feel for their (and our) elites. It’s clear the our relations drive mad all those who would prefer the Serbs to suck the same dick and obey the same master. Just to legalize the stolen lands and fix the new status quo. That’s why so many advice come to them how to behave. As if they are something stupid … Everything has it price including peace but all other sides still hope to gain it free of charge. But Communism won't happen.
(rote, 2 November 2015 21:22)
Yes, I don't know the exact number but I will respect your calculation. So I have no problem with that, let them live in peace, we are all the children of one God! We Christian Eastern Orthodox Slavs are not or never were at war or enemies of Islam. So we also have a common enemy, Satan and The Aryan race, right? How do you imagine the Satanic Arayan race views Islam and Eastern Orthodox Christianity? Like I tell my people I say to you the same, go on to USA and put on a shirt that says I'm Muslim or Islam and see how far you get before you are stoned! So go ahead and continue living in peace with us, only one God and we the poor children of sorrow!
(Dragoljub Djurkovic, 2 November 2015 14:52)
Sadly, the 'brotherly' behaviour at the end of ww2 became rather incestuous.
That is something that you and others would like to deny, but have to live with.
On another point. 'Brotherhood and Unity' was a good example of what brotherhood can mean. When you talk of brotherhood just think of how that concept was broken down in the Balkans. It illustrates the stupidity of the term.
Brotherhood relates to parentage, not political wishful thinking.
(Bob, 2 November 2015 11:29)
Bob : “Russians raped Serbian women when they 'liberated' Belgrade at the end of ww2 - so maybe they are more literally your brothers than your mum has told you!”
МУДАК ТАКАЯ !
Too often I have to comment idiotic statements lately. For your information direct losses of the USSR in Europe were above 1,2 million. Out of them 600 000 in Poland and 123 000 in Germany ect. Our losses in Yugoslavia were 7900 “only”. All of them during the Belgrade Operation that you mentioned. By the time our troops came here Serbs (including the Montenegrins) controlled 90% of the Yugoslavian soil. But they had neither experience of storming such strongpoints nor the armaments required for it. So the Soviets stormed the city but the partisans fought by their side all the time. Yet you persuade us that they raped women together with the Soviets ? Even in Germany the Soviets were shooting soldiers who raped the Germans. So how can you imagine that we could do this to the brotherly nation who was the only one to fight on our side from the very beginning ? I guess it was the utmost cynic statement of yours and it’s a pity I cannot punish you.
(rote, 2 November 2015 10:35)
Russia is taking care of Russia's interest, by using the Kosovo model to annex Crimea from Ukraine as well as other territories within its reach such as in Georgia and Moldova.
Russia has repeatedly let Serbia down over history, the last notable time was prior to the bombing of Kosovo by Nato. As part of the Contact Group Russia allowed Nato to take unilateral military action because the aggressor Serbs over played their hand.
(Daniel, 2 November 2015 03:10)
Hey Moderate Serb that is if you are or maybe like one of them who went into the world and forgot where they came from, tell me how much Serbia has given to Russia? Real nice you complaining about Russia and what have you contributed only negative insulting disrespectful comments! As a Serbian, any Serbian, all Serbians at least we can show some respect to the Russian people our Beloved Brothers and Sisters who gave Serbia so much! Does any Serbian out there think that any Christian Eastern Orthodox Slav would be alive today in the WORLD if Hitler would of won? So any Serbian out there who be disrespectful to Mother Russia shame on you and if you prefer go on over to the enemies of Eastern Orthodox Christianity and tell them how much you love them so they can also show you how much they love you! God Bless Russia and all Russian people!!!
(Dragoljub Djurkovic, 2 November 2015 02:51)
NATO countries would have loved for Milosevic not to take Serbia down the black hole that lead to wars in Bosnia and Kosovo.
Some nationalistic Serbs resent having their egos stamped on by NATO and so think that calling Russians brothers will make their egos feel better.
Tough luck. Live with it or whinge.
Russians raped Serbian women when they 'liberated' Belgrade at the end of ww2 - so maybe they are more literally your brothers than your mum has told you!
(Bob, 2 November 2015 02:10)
Factman : just don't like to be bossed around (unlike all the other sheep of the region).
WELL SAID BUT BEST IF YOU USE TERMINOLOGY OF THE FORMER FM OF POLAND SYKORSKI WHO CONFESSED THAT THEY “SUCK”.
eric : “Serbia will really feel the heat when is going to be surrounded by NATO countries and EU countries basically isolated. Serbs prove once again that they are not European but the are Siberian eskimos
IN SPRING OF 1941 WHEN EUROPE SUCKED HITLER WHILE SERBIAN ARMY WAS DESTROYED AND SERBIA WAS “ISOLATED” IT DIDN’T STOP THEM FROM REBELLING. SO BEFORE JUNE 22 SERBS WERE THE SINGLE PEOPLE ON THE CONTINENT WHO FOUGHT THE NAZI AND THEY WEREN’T EUROPEANS IN YOUR MEANING OF THE WORD.
Zoran : “Perhaps later we can reward them with бонд стеел. ;)”
WE BOTH NEED MONTEEGRO TO MAKE THEM RESPECT SERBIA AS A BASE IN SERBIA MAKES NO SENCE TODAY.
LK : “Your future is EU and NATO, the countries around you, not Moscow, which is more than 2000 KM away.”
IF YOU INSIST WE CAN TALK ABOUT THE RUSSIAN AND ITALIAN ECONOMICS … BUT NOW DO YOU REALLY HOPE THAT SERBS WILL FOLLOW ADVICE OF THEIR ENEMIES ?
Nikola Novakovic
THANKS FOR THE VIDOVDAN COMMENT ! NOW YOU CAN SEE THAT I AM NOT A HISTORICIAN … JUST AN AMATEUR. BECAUSE THE ONLY MISSION OF THE MENTIONED CASTE IS TO CONSEAL THE TRUTH.
(rote, 1 November 2015 23:52)
It's all good. As a first step, we only need high tech defensive weapons for now. Glad that we are getting a helicopter service centre. That means we get spare parts and the technical know-how to repair them ourselves along with free helicopters stationed in Serbia.
(Zoran, 30 October 2015 17:59)
Ok, I hope the above convinced yourself to be happy :)
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I suspect Russia is going to finance most of this as a brother helping a brother.
(Zoran, 30 October 2015 17:59)
Sure, like Russia's brotherly help one year ago [link]
(icj1, 1 November 2015 23:32)
Moderate Serb : “Zoran, Don't fool yourself, Russia is sending Serbia junk helicopters that failed in the Afghanistan war.
If you are a Serb then I am Indian Joe. Anyway I have to comment your idiotic statements as you must be the only one to believe that Russian helicopters are not the best. Not because it was Russian Igor Sykorsky who has designed and has built the first helicopters. But because the USA has to buy Russian helicopters for the Afghan forces today. After decades of practice the Afghans insisted on the Russian ones. Not only as they are cheaper but because they are more universal and they survive where Chinooks and Apaches have no chance. So Serbia’s choice is the best not only when it comes to the helicopters. Russian armaments most often win any price/quality competition. To say nothing that Russia and Serbia are spiritually one people. Especially if their elites ( finance, media, politicians ect.) could be sent to their London & Washington headquarters.
serbia should buy some weapons from USA too, in order to be fully considered neutral and peaceful.
(noire, 31 October 2015 02:02)
===…==
Would you rather be shot by American weapons?
(Peggy, 1 November 2015 21:30)
Zoran,
Don't fool yourself, Russia is sending Serbia junk helicopters that failed in the Afghanistan war. If Serbia is stupid enough to believe Russia would send them modern weapons and aircraft then it will be their own fault when the old outdated helicopters blow up in their face. Thus, Serbia will be humiliated once again.
(Moderate Serb, 1 November 2015 19:59)
===…==
How do you know all this?
(Peggy, 1 November 2015 21:28)
It's all good. As a first step, we only need high tech defensive weapons for now. Glad that we are getting a helicopter service centre. That means we get spare parts and the technical know-how to repair them ourselves along with free helicopters stationed in Serbia. I suspect Russia is going to finance most of this as a brother helping a brother.
Perhaps later we can reward them with бонд стеел. ;)
(Zoran, 30 October 2015 17:59)
Zoran,
Don't fool yourself, Russia is sending Serbia junk helicopters that failed in the Afghanistan war. If Serbia is stupid enough to believe Russia would send them modern weapons and aircraft then it will be their own fault when the old outdated helicopters blow up in their face. Thus, Serbia will be humiliated once again.
(Moderate Serb, 1 November 2015 19:59)
Serbia is acting in their country's interest. That is what responsible leaders do.
It was logical that Russia would reassert itself on the world stage, especially in the power vacuum created by the Obama Administration. The world is being treated to a first in the history of great–power politics. Traditionally, the might of nations was hemmed in by others in an endless game of pressure and counter-pressure. Now, the reigning superpower (USA) is proposing to neutralize itself – no foes needed. Therefore, it was logical that Russia would emerge as a reliable partner in foreign affairs.
Why should any rational country not seek relations in their interest given the record of Obama, Kerry, and Clinton. These fools pull the rug out from under their allies, and reward their enemies. And, as for the EU and NATO, it's a death watch.
(The Grey Grater, 31 October 2015 21:16)
So Satan worried? The USA so profoundly determined to destroy all Eastern Orthodox Christianity in Europe! USA keep your dirty filty fangs contained, Serbia will never die as long as our Dear Mother Russia lives and that will be for ever! So sour the looks on USA faces when Serbia and Russia is mentioned! Such a evil hatred in the USA, could it possibly developed with the excessive use of illegal drugs that is rotting the brains of most people in Amerika? So stupid that USA imagines Serbia will roll over and die for them! God Bless Czar Vlade and God Bless Russia for eternity!
(Dragoljub Djurkovic, 31 October 2015 17:54)
How can Serbia be part of Europe when they are against NATO or EU sanctions against russia is beyond me. Serbia will really feel the heat when is going to be surrounded by NATO countries and EU countries basically isolated. Serbs prove once again that they are not European but the are Siberian eskimos
(eric, 30 October 2015 19:47)
It's all good. As a first step, we only need high tech defensive weapons for now. Glad that we are getting a helicopter service centre. That means we get spare parts and the technical know-how to repair them ourselves along with free helicopters stationed in Serbia. I suspect Russia is going to finance most of this as a brother helping a brother.
Perhaps later we can reward them with бонд стеел. ;)
(Zoran, 30 October 2015 17:59)
"Nikola Novakovic" - You'll get your reparations when Serbia pays theirs to Bosnia and Croatia for destroying and illegally occupying both countries using state supported right-wing nationalist militias.
(LK, 30 October 2015 17:39)
Funny how Germany and Italy had no problems joining NATO after WWII despite being on the opposing side during the war. Look at them today, especially compared to Russia. Italy and Russia have roughly the same size economy, yet Italy has less than half the population of Russia. And we all know about Germany because so many of your people are living in Germany because of the great economy and life that isn't present in Serbia. Your future is EU and NATO, the countries around you, not Moscow, which is more than 2000 KM away.
(LK, 30 October 2015 17:28)
To be allied with NATO, the alliance which bombed Serbia in 1999 because of civil unrest caused by a terrorist group in Kosovo.
Or to be allied with a Slavic nation such as Russia a country which has always been a true brother.
NATO made many negative decisions in 1999 which has resulted in a domino effect around the world and set a precedent for instability. The problems in Georgia and Ukraine are rooted in the Kosovo precedent... Why would Serbia ever establish an alliance with a group of countries which do not recognise sovereignty, an alliance which causes international instability and an alliance which supports Islamic terrorists within a Christian country such as Serbia...? Well, simply that would be upsurd to even consider, it's like asking Palestine to become allies with Israel or Pakistan to become allies with India and America to become allies with the Taliban...
The West owes war reperations to Serbia, Germany owes war reperations to Serbia and both Germany and the western alliance must leave Kosovo as they are there occupying Serbian territory illegally and have installed a proxy KLA Islamic government which will be arrested in the near future along with any collaboraters.
Serbia will never join the Western alliance as it has created instability throughout the world and changed the meaning of sovereignty and humiliated the core values of the United Nations...
(Nikola Novakovic, 30 October 2015 15:44)
THE PRIME AXIOM: In any field of scientific endeavor, anything that
… can go wrong, will.
2. If the possibility exists of several things going wrong, the one that
will go wrong is the one that will do the most damage.
3. Everything will go wrong at one time.
3.1 That time is always when you least expect it.
(svabo, 30 October 2015 15:00)
To be allied with NATO, the alliance which bombed Serbia in 1999 because of civil unrest caused by a terrorist group in Kosovo.
Or to be allied with a Slavic nation such as Russia a country which has always been a true brother.
NATO made many negative decisions in 1999 which has resulted in a domino effect around the world and set a precedent for instability. The problems in Georgia and Ukraine are rooted in the Kosovo precedent... Why would Serbia ever establish an alliance with a group of countries which do not recognise sovereignty, an alliance which causes international instability and an alliance which supports Islamic terrorists within a Christian country such as Serbia...? Well, simply that would be upsurd to even consider, it's like asking Palestine to become allies with Israel or Pakistan to become allies with India and America to become allies with the Taliban...
The West owes war reperations to Serbia, Germany owes war reperations to Serbia and both Germany and the western alliance must leave Kosovo as they are there occupying Serbian territory illegally and have installed a proxy KLA Islamic government which will be arrested in the near future along with any collaboraters.
Serbia will never join the Western alliance as it has created instability throughout the world and changed the meaning of sovereignty and humiliated the core values of the United Nations...
(Nikola Novakovic, 30 October 2015 15:44)
It's all good. As a first step, we only need high tech defensive weapons for now. Glad that we are getting a helicopter service centre. That means we get spare parts and the technical know-how to repair them ourselves along with free helicopters stationed in Serbia. I suspect Russia is going to finance most of this as a brother helping a brother.
Perhaps later we can reward them with бонд стеел. ;)
(Zoran, 30 October 2015 17:59)
Funny how Germany and Italy had no problems joining NATO after WWII despite being on the opposing side during the war. Look at them today, especially compared to Russia. Italy and Russia have roughly the same size economy, yet Italy has less than half the population of Russia. And we all know about Germany because so many of your people are living in Germany because of the great economy and life that isn't present in Serbia. Your future is EU and NATO, the countries around you, not Moscow, which is more than 2000 KM away.
(LK, 30 October 2015 17:28)
How can Serbia be part of Europe when they are against NATO or EU sanctions against russia is beyond me. Serbia will really feel the heat when is going to be surrounded by NATO countries and EU countries basically isolated. Serbs prove once again that they are not European but the are Siberian eskimos
(eric, 30 October 2015 19:47)
"Nikola Novakovic" - You'll get your reparations when Serbia pays theirs to Bosnia and Croatia for destroying and illegally occupying both countries using state supported right-wing nationalist militias.
(LK, 30 October 2015 17:39)
THE PRIME AXIOM: In any field of scientific endeavor, anything that
… can go wrong, will.
2. If the possibility exists of several things going wrong, the one that
will go wrong is the one that will do the most damage.
3. Everything will go wrong at one time.
3.1 That time is always when you least expect it.
(svabo, 30 October 2015 15:00)
So Satan worried? The USA so profoundly determined to destroy all Eastern Orthodox Christianity in Europe! USA keep your dirty filty fangs contained, Serbia will never die as long as our Dear Mother Russia lives and that will be for ever! So sour the looks on USA faces when Serbia and Russia is mentioned! Such a evil hatred in the USA, could it possibly developed with the excessive use of illegal drugs that is rotting the brains of most people in Amerika? So stupid that USA imagines Serbia will roll over and die for them! God Bless Czar Vlade and God Bless Russia for eternity!
(Dragoljub Djurkovic, 31 October 2015 17:54)
It's all good. As a first step, we only need high tech defensive weapons for now. Glad that we are getting a helicopter service centre. That means we get spare parts and the technical know-how to repair them ourselves along with free helicopters stationed in Serbia. I suspect Russia is going to finance most of this as a brother helping a brother.
Perhaps later we can reward them with бонд стеел. ;)
(Zoran, 30 October 2015 17:59)
Zoran,
Don't fool yourself, Russia is sending Serbia junk helicopters that failed in the Afghanistan war. If Serbia is stupid enough to believe Russia would send them modern weapons and aircraft then it will be their own fault when the old outdated helicopters blow up in their face. Thus, Serbia will be humiliated once again.
(Moderate Serb, 1 November 2015 19:59)
Serbia is acting in their country's interest. That is what responsible leaders do.
It was logical that Russia would reassert itself on the world stage, especially in the power vacuum created by the Obama Administration. The world is being treated to a first in the history of great–power politics. Traditionally, the might of nations was hemmed in by others in an endless game of pressure and counter-pressure. Now, the reigning superpower (USA) is proposing to neutralize itself – no foes needed. Therefore, it was logical that Russia would emerge as a reliable partner in foreign affairs.
Why should any rational country not seek relations in their interest given the record of Obama, Kerry, and Clinton. These fools pull the rug out from under their allies, and reward their enemies. And, as for the EU and NATO, it's a death watch.
(The Grey Grater, 31 October 2015 21:16)
Hey Moderate Serb that is if you are or maybe like one of them who went into the world and forgot where they came from, tell me how much Serbia has given to Russia? Real nice you complaining about Russia and what have you contributed only negative insulting disrespectful comments! As a Serbian, any Serbian, all Serbians at least we can show some respect to the Russian people our Beloved Brothers and Sisters who gave Serbia so much! Does any Serbian out there think that any Christian Eastern Orthodox Slav would be alive today in the WORLD if Hitler would of won? So any Serbian out there who be disrespectful to Mother Russia shame on you and if you prefer go on over to the enemies of Eastern Orthodox Christianity and tell them how much you love them so they can also show you how much they love you! God Bless Russia and all Russian people!!!
(Dragoljub Djurkovic, 2 November 2015 02:51)
Factman : just don't like to be bossed around (unlike all the other sheep of the region).
WELL SAID BUT BEST IF YOU USE TERMINOLOGY OF THE FORMER FM OF POLAND SYKORSKI WHO CONFESSED THAT THEY “SUCK”.
eric : “Serbia will really feel the heat when is going to be surrounded by NATO countries and EU countries basically isolated. Serbs prove once again that they are not European but the are Siberian eskimos
IN SPRING OF 1941 WHEN EUROPE SUCKED HITLER WHILE SERBIAN ARMY WAS DESTROYED AND SERBIA WAS “ISOLATED” IT DIDN’T STOP THEM FROM REBELLING. SO BEFORE JUNE 22 SERBS WERE THE SINGLE PEOPLE ON THE CONTINENT WHO FOUGHT THE NAZI AND THEY WEREN’T EUROPEANS IN YOUR MEANING OF THE WORD.
Zoran : “Perhaps later we can reward them with бонд стеел. ;)”
WE BOTH NEED MONTEEGRO TO MAKE THEM RESPECT SERBIA AS A BASE IN SERBIA MAKES NO SENCE TODAY.
LK : “Your future is EU and NATO, the countries around you, not Moscow, which is more than 2000 KM away.”
IF YOU INSIST WE CAN TALK ABOUT THE RUSSIAN AND ITALIAN ECONOMICS … BUT NOW DO YOU REALLY HOPE THAT SERBS WILL FOLLOW ADVICE OF THEIR ENEMIES ?
Nikola Novakovic
THANKS FOR THE VIDOVDAN COMMENT ! NOW YOU CAN SEE THAT I AM NOT A HISTORICIAN … JUST AN AMATEUR. BECAUSE THE ONLY MISSION OF THE MENTIONED CASTE IS TO CONSEAL THE TRUTH.
(rote, 1 November 2015 23:52)
Bob : “Russians raped Serbian women when they 'liberated' Belgrade at the end of ww2 - so maybe they are more literally your brothers than your mum has told you!”
МУДАК ТАКАЯ !
Too often I have to comment idiotic statements lately. For your information direct losses of the USSR in Europe were above 1,2 million. Out of them 600 000 in Poland and 123 000 in Germany ect. Our losses in Yugoslavia were 7900 “only”. All of them during the Belgrade Operation that you mentioned. By the time our troops came here Serbs (including the Montenegrins) controlled 90% of the Yugoslavian soil. But they had neither experience of storming such strongpoints nor the armaments required for it. So the Soviets stormed the city but the partisans fought by their side all the time. Yet you persuade us that they raped women together with the Soviets ? Even in Germany the Soviets were shooting soldiers who raped the Germans. So how can you imagine that we could do this to the brotherly nation who was the only one to fight on our side from the very beginning ? I guess it was the utmost cynic statement of yours and it’s a pity I cannot punish you.
(rote, 2 November 2015 10:35)
Russia is taking care of Russia's interest, by using the Kosovo model to annex Crimea from Ukraine as well as other territories within its reach such as in Georgia and Moldova.
Russia has repeatedly let Serbia down over history, the last notable time was prior to the bombing of Kosovo by Nato. As part of the Contact Group Russia allowed Nato to take unilateral military action because the aggressor Serbs over played their hand.
(Daniel, 2 November 2015 03:10)
Sadly, the 'brotherly' behaviour at the end of ww2 became rather incestuous.
That is something that you and others would like to deny, but have to live with.
On another point. 'Brotherhood and Unity' was a good example of what brotherhood can mean. When you talk of brotherhood just think of how that concept was broken down in the Balkans. It illustrates the stupidity of the term.
Brotherhood relates to parentage, not political wishful thinking.
(Bob, 2 November 2015 11:29)
NATO countries would have loved for Milosevic not to take Serbia down the black hole that lead to wars in Bosnia and Kosovo.
Some nationalistic Serbs resent having their egos stamped on by NATO and so think that calling Russians brothers will make their egos feel better.
Tough luck. Live with it or whinge.
Russians raped Serbian women when they 'liberated' Belgrade at the end of ww2 - so maybe they are more literally your brothers than your mum has told you!
(Bob, 2 November 2015 02:10)
Bob : Brotherhood relates to parentage, not political wishful thinking.
It can be so but in the context of WW2 brotherhood was when a Serb died in the Balkans saving a life in Russia and those 7900 Russians who died in Belgrade also saved 7900 of lives. Whatever you say or do the two peoples are spiritually very close. And sometimes Serbs behave as if there were 150 million of them. When time comes both Russians and Serbs are ready to pay any price and we both know what it cost us in the past. Why do you think I am here ? Because Serbs is the only people who has never betrayed us even when we do deserved in 1999. Russians still feel responsible for betraying Serbia though we weren’t free ourselves. I am an optimist despite the mistrust that I feel for their (and our) elites. It’s clear the our relations drive mad all those who would prefer the Serbs to suck the same dick and obey the same master. Just to legalize the stolen lands and fix the new status quo. That’s why so many advice come to them how to behave. As if they are something stupid … Everything has it price including peace but all other sides still hope to gain it free of charge. But Communism won't happen.
(rote, 2 November 2015 21:22)
Russia has repeatedly let Serbia down over history, the last notable time was prior to the bombing of Kosovo by Nato. As part of the Contact Group Russia allowed Nato to take unilateral military action because the aggressor Serbs over played their hand.
(Daniel, 2 November 2015 03:10)
===…==
Russia never let Serbs down. Back in 1999 Russia was let down by Yeltsin the drunk and they were in no position to help anyone.
Even then they tried.
You can try all you like but you will never succeed in breaking our bond. Now that Russia is in a better position it will be up to Serbia how much help they get.
If Serbs are smart they will turn to Russia and Russia will reward them. If they are stupid like Serbs in Montenegro they will turn Russia away from them.
(Peggy, 3 November 2015 01:46)
serbia should buy some weapons from USA too, in order to be fully considered neutral and peaceful.
(noire, 31 October 2015 02:02)
===…==
Would you rather be shot by American weapons?
(Peggy, 1 November 2015 21:30)
You have a really big problem!
You have a double personality!
Once you hate muslims and then you like them.
I will highly recommend to you to read your previous comments about muslims.
(Joni, 3 November 2015 13:13)
It's all good. As a first step, we only need high tech defensive weapons for now. Glad that we are getting a helicopter service centre. That means we get spare parts and the technical know-how to repair them ourselves along with free helicopters stationed in Serbia.
(Zoran, 30 October 2015 17:59)
Ok, I hope the above convinced yourself to be happy :)
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I suspect Russia is going to finance most of this as a brother helping a brother.
(Zoran, 30 October 2015 17:59)
Sure, like Russia's brotherly help one year ago [link]
(icj1, 1 November 2015 23:32)
Moderate Serb : “Zoran, Don't fool yourself, Russia is sending Serbia junk helicopters that failed in the Afghanistan war.
If you are a Serb then I am Indian Joe. Anyway I have to comment your idiotic statements as you must be the only one to believe that Russian helicopters are not the best. Not because it was Russian Igor Sykorsky who has designed and has built the first helicopters. But because the USA has to buy Russian helicopters for the Afghan forces today. After decades of practice the Afghans insisted on the Russian ones. Not only as they are cheaper but because they are more universal and they survive where Chinooks and Apaches have no chance. So Serbia’s choice is the best not only when it comes to the helicopters. Russian armaments most often win any price/quality competition. To say nothing that Russia and Serbia are spiritually one people. Especially if their elites ( finance, media, politicians ect.) could be sent to their London & Washington headquarters.
There was no betrayel in 1999. Russia just was not in a good position to do any thing at that time. Best the storm blew over and now a new era upon us all! God Bless you rote for all the support for Serbia on B92!!!
(Dragoljub Djurkovic, 3 November 2015 02:00)
serbia should buy some weapons from USA too, in order to be fully considered neutral and peaceful.
(noire, 31 October 2015 02:02)
===…==
Serbia should stick to Russian weapons.
Zoran,
Don't fool yourself, Russia is sending Serbia junk helicopters that failed in the Afghanistan war. If Serbia is stupid enough to believe Russia would send them modern weapons and aircraft then it will be their own fault when the old outdated helicopters blow up in their face. Thus, Serbia will be humiliated once again.
(Moderate Serb, 1 November 2015 19:59)
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How do you know all this?
(Peggy, 1 November 2015 21:28)
Yes, I don't know the exact number but I will respect your calculation. So I have no problem with that, let them live in peace, we are all the children of one God! We Christian Eastern Orthodox Slavs are not or never were at war or enemies of Islam. So we also have a common enemy, Satan and The Aryan race, right? How do you imagine the Satanic Arayan race views Islam and Eastern Orthodox Christianity? Like I tell my people I say to you the same, go on to USA and put on a shirt that says I'm Muslim or Islam and see how far you get before you are stoned! So go ahead and continue living in peace with us, only one God and we the poor children of sorrow!
(Dragoljub Djurkovic, 2 November 2015 14:52)
"Nikola Novakovic" - You'll get your reparations when Serbia pays theirs to Bosnia and Croatia for destroying and illegally occupying both countries using state supported right-wing nationalist militias.
(LK, 30 October 2015 17:39)
How can Serbia be part of Europe when they are against NATO or EU sanctions against russia is beyond me. Serbia will really feel the heat when is going to be surrounded by NATO countries and EU countries basically isolated. Serbs prove once again that they are not European but the are Siberian eskimos
(eric, 30 October 2015 19:47)
Funny how Germany and Italy had no problems joining NATO after WWII despite being on the opposing side during the war. Look at them today, especially compared to Russia. Italy and Russia have roughly the same size economy, yet Italy has less than half the population of Russia. And we all know about Germany because so many of your people are living in Germany because of the great economy and life that isn't present in Serbia. Your future is EU and NATO, the countries around you, not Moscow, which is more than 2000 KM away.
(LK, 30 October 2015 17:28)
To be allied with NATO, the alliance which bombed Serbia in 1999 because of civil unrest caused by a terrorist group in Kosovo.
Or to be allied with a Slavic nation such as Russia a country which has always been a true brother.
NATO made many negative decisions in 1999 which has resulted in a domino effect around the world and set a precedent for instability. The problems in Georgia and Ukraine are rooted in the Kosovo precedent... Why would Serbia ever establish an alliance with a group of countries which do not recognise sovereignty, an alliance which causes international instability and an alliance which supports Islamic terrorists within a Christian country such as Serbia...? Well, simply that would be upsurd to even consider, it's like asking Palestine to become allies with Israel or Pakistan to become allies with India and America to become allies with the Taliban...
The West owes war reperations to Serbia, Germany owes war reperations to Serbia and both Germany and the western alliance must leave Kosovo as they are there occupying Serbian territory illegally and have installed a proxy KLA Islamic government which will be arrested in the near future along with any collaboraters.
Serbia will never join the Western alliance as it has created instability throughout the world and changed the meaning of sovereignty and humiliated the core values of the United Nations...
(Nikola Novakovic, 30 October 2015 15:44)
It's all good. As a first step, we only need high tech defensive weapons for now. Glad that we are getting a helicopter service centre. That means we get spare parts and the technical know-how to repair them ourselves along with free helicopters stationed in Serbia. I suspect Russia is going to finance most of this as a brother helping a brother.
Perhaps later we can reward them with бонд стеел. ;)
(Zoran, 30 October 2015 17:59)
It's all good. As a first step, we only need high tech defensive weapons for now. Glad that we are getting a helicopter service centre. That means we get spare parts and the technical know-how to repair them ourselves along with free helicopters stationed in Serbia. I suspect Russia is going to finance most of this as a brother helping a brother.
Perhaps later we can reward them with бонд стеел. ;)
(Zoran, 30 October 2015 17:59)
Zoran,
Don't fool yourself, Russia is sending Serbia junk helicopters that failed in the Afghanistan war. If Serbia is stupid enough to believe Russia would send them modern weapons and aircraft then it will be their own fault when the old outdated helicopters blow up in their face. Thus, Serbia will be humiliated once again.
(Moderate Serb, 1 November 2015 19:59)
So Satan worried? The USA so profoundly determined to destroy all Eastern Orthodox Christianity in Europe! USA keep your dirty filty fangs contained, Serbia will never die as long as our Dear Mother Russia lives and that will be for ever! So sour the looks on USA faces when Serbia and Russia is mentioned! Such a evil hatred in the USA, could it possibly developed with the excessive use of illegal drugs that is rotting the brains of most people in Amerika? So stupid that USA imagines Serbia will roll over and die for them! God Bless Czar Vlade and God Bless Russia for eternity!
(Dragoljub Djurkovic, 31 October 2015 17:54)
Bob : “Russians raped Serbian women when they 'liberated' Belgrade at the end of ww2 - so maybe they are more literally your brothers than your mum has told you!”
МУДАК ТАКАЯ !
Too often I have to comment idiotic statements lately. For your information direct losses of the USSR in Europe were above 1,2 million. Out of them 600 000 in Poland and 123 000 in Germany ect. Our losses in Yugoslavia were 7900 “only”. All of them during the Belgrade Operation that you mentioned. By the time our troops came here Serbs (including the Montenegrins) controlled 90% of the Yugoslavian soil. But they had neither experience of storming such strongpoints nor the armaments required for it. So the Soviets stormed the city but the partisans fought by their side all the time. Yet you persuade us that they raped women together with the Soviets ? Even in Germany the Soviets were shooting soldiers who raped the Germans. So how can you imagine that we could do this to the brotherly nation who was the only one to fight on our side from the very beginning ? I guess it was the utmost cynic statement of yours and it’s a pity I cannot punish you.
(rote, 2 November 2015 10:35)
Yes, I don't know the exact number but I will respect your calculation. So I have no problem with that, let them live in peace, we are all the children of one God! We Christian Eastern Orthodox Slavs are not or never were at war or enemies of Islam. So we also have a common enemy, Satan and The Aryan race, right? How do you imagine the Satanic Arayan race views Islam and Eastern Orthodox Christianity? Like I tell my people I say to you the same, go on to USA and put on a shirt that says I'm Muslim or Islam and see how far you get before you are stoned! So go ahead and continue living in peace with us, only one God and we the poor children of sorrow!
(Dragoljub Djurkovic, 2 November 2015 14:52)
NATO countries would have loved for Milosevic not to take Serbia down the black hole that lead to wars in Bosnia and Kosovo.
Some nationalistic Serbs resent having their egos stamped on by NATO and so think that calling Russians brothers will make their egos feel better.
Tough luck. Live with it or whinge.
Russians raped Serbian women when they 'liberated' Belgrade at the end of ww2 - so maybe they are more literally your brothers than your mum has told you!
(Bob, 2 November 2015 02:10)
Russia is taking care of Russia's interest, by using the Kosovo model to annex Crimea from Ukraine as well as other territories within its reach such as in Georgia and Moldova.
Russia has repeatedly let Serbia down over history, the last notable time was prior to the bombing of Kosovo by Nato. As part of the Contact Group Russia allowed Nato to take unilateral military action because the aggressor Serbs over played their hand.
(Daniel, 2 November 2015 03:10)
Hey Moderate Serb that is if you are or maybe like one of them who went into the world and forgot where they came from, tell me how much Serbia has given to Russia? Real nice you complaining about Russia and what have you contributed only negative insulting disrespectful comments! As a Serbian, any Serbian, all Serbians at least we can show some respect to the Russian people our Beloved Brothers and Sisters who gave Serbia so much! Does any Serbian out there think that any Christian Eastern Orthodox Slav would be alive today in the WORLD if Hitler would of won? So any Serbian out there who be disrespectful to Mother Russia shame on you and if you prefer go on over to the enemies of Eastern Orthodox Christianity and tell them how much you love them so they can also show you how much they love you! God Bless Russia and all Russian people!!!
(Dragoljub Djurkovic, 2 November 2015 02:51)
Moderate Serb : “Zoran, Don't fool yourself, Russia is sending Serbia junk helicopters that failed in the Afghanistan war.
If you are a Serb then I am Indian Joe. Anyway I have to comment your idiotic statements as you must be the only one to believe that Russian helicopters are not the best. Not because it was Russian Igor Sykorsky who has designed and has built the first helicopters. But because the USA has to buy Russian helicopters for the Afghan forces today. After decades of practice the Afghans insisted on the Russian ones. Not only as they are cheaper but because they are more universal and they survive where Chinooks and Apaches have no chance. So Serbia’s choice is the best not only when it comes to the helicopters. Russian armaments most often win any price/quality competition. To say nothing that Russia and Serbia are spiritually one people. Especially if their elites ( finance, media, politicians ect.) could be sent to their London & Washington headquarters.
serbia should buy some weapons from USA too, in order to be fully considered neutral and peaceful.
(noire, 31 October 2015 02:02)
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Would you rather be shot by American weapons?
(Peggy, 1 November 2015 21:30)
There was no betrayel in 1999. Russia just was not in a good position to do any thing at that time. Best the storm blew over and now a new era upon us all! God Bless you rote for all the support for Serbia on B92!!!
(Dragoljub Djurkovic, 3 November 2015 02:00)
Russia has repeatedly let Serbia down over history, the last notable time was prior to the bombing of Kosovo by Nato. As part of the Contact Group Russia allowed Nato to take unilateral military action because the aggressor Serbs over played their hand.
(Daniel, 2 November 2015 03:10)
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Russia never let Serbs down. Back in 1999 Russia was let down by Yeltsin the drunk and they were in no position to help anyone.
Even then they tried.
You can try all you like but you will never succeed in breaking our bond. Now that Russia is in a better position it will be up to Serbia how much help they get.
If Serbs are smart they will turn to Russia and Russia will reward them. If they are stupid like Serbs in Montenegro they will turn Russia away from them.
(Peggy, 3 November 2015 01:46)
serbia should buy some weapons from USA too, in order to be fully considered neutral and peaceful.
(noire, 31 October 2015 02:02)
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Serbia should stick to Russian weapons.
Zoran,
Don't fool yourself, Russia is sending Serbia junk helicopters that failed in the Afghanistan war. If Serbia is stupid enough to believe Russia would send them modern weapons and aircraft then it will be their own fault when the old outdated helicopters blow up in their face. Thus, Serbia will be humiliated once again.
(Moderate Serb, 1 November 2015 19:59)
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How do you know all this?
(Peggy, 1 November 2015 21:28)
Bob : Brotherhood relates to parentage, not political wishful thinking.
It can be so but in the context of WW2 brotherhood was when a Serb died in the Balkans saving a life in Russia and those 7900 Russians who died in Belgrade also saved 7900 of lives. Whatever you say or do the two peoples are spiritually very close. And sometimes Serbs behave as if there were 150 million of them. When time comes both Russians and Serbs are ready to pay any price and we both know what it cost us in the past. Why do you think I am here ? Because Serbs is the only people who has never betrayed us even when we do deserved in 1999. Russians still feel responsible for betraying Serbia though we weren’t free ourselves. I am an optimist despite the mistrust that I feel for their (and our) elites. It’s clear the our relations drive mad all those who would prefer the Serbs to suck the same dick and obey the same master. Just to legalize the stolen lands and fix the new status quo. That’s why so many advice come to them how to behave. As if they are something stupid … Everything has it price including peace but all other sides still hope to gain it free of charge. But Communism won't happen.
(rote, 2 November 2015 21:22)
THE PRIME AXIOM: In any field of scientific endeavor, anything that
… can go wrong, will.
2. If the possibility exists of several things going wrong, the one that
will go wrong is the one that will do the most damage.
3. Everything will go wrong at one time.
3.1 That time is always when you least expect it.
(svabo, 30 October 2015 15:00)
Factman : just don't like to be bossed around (unlike all the other sheep of the region).
WELL SAID BUT BEST IF YOU USE TERMINOLOGY OF THE FORMER FM OF POLAND SYKORSKI WHO CONFESSED THAT THEY “SUCK”.
eric : “Serbia will really feel the heat when is going to be surrounded by NATO countries and EU countries basically isolated. Serbs prove once again that they are not European but the are Siberian eskimos
IN SPRING OF 1941 WHEN EUROPE SUCKED HITLER WHILE SERBIAN ARMY WAS DESTROYED AND SERBIA WAS “ISOLATED” IT DIDN’T STOP THEM FROM REBELLING. SO BEFORE JUNE 22 SERBS WERE THE SINGLE PEOPLE ON THE CONTINENT WHO FOUGHT THE NAZI AND THEY WEREN’T EUROPEANS IN YOUR MEANING OF THE WORD.
Zoran : “Perhaps later we can reward them with бонд стеел. ;)”
WE BOTH NEED MONTEEGRO TO MAKE THEM RESPECT SERBIA AS A BASE IN SERBIA MAKES NO SENCE TODAY.
LK : “Your future is EU and NATO, the countries around you, not Moscow, which is more than 2000 KM away.”
IF YOU INSIST WE CAN TALK ABOUT THE RUSSIAN AND ITALIAN ECONOMICS … BUT NOW DO YOU REALLY HOPE THAT SERBS WILL FOLLOW ADVICE OF THEIR ENEMIES ?
Nikola Novakovic
THANKS FOR THE VIDOVDAN COMMENT ! NOW YOU CAN SEE THAT I AM NOT A HISTORICIAN … JUST AN AMATEUR. BECAUSE THE ONLY MISSION OF THE MENTIONED CASTE IS TO CONSEAL THE TRUTH.
(rote, 1 November 2015 23:52)
Sadly, the 'brotherly' behaviour at the end of ww2 became rather incestuous.
That is something that you and others would like to deny, but have to live with.
On another point. 'Brotherhood and Unity' was a good example of what brotherhood can mean. When you talk of brotherhood just think of how that concept was broken down in the Balkans. It illustrates the stupidity of the term.
Brotherhood relates to parentage, not political wishful thinking.
(Bob, 2 November 2015 11:29)
It's all good. As a first step, we only need high tech defensive weapons for now. Glad that we are getting a helicopter service centre. That means we get spare parts and the technical know-how to repair them ourselves along with free helicopters stationed in Serbia.
(Zoran, 30 October 2015 17:59)
Ok, I hope the above convinced yourself to be happy :)
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I suspect Russia is going to finance most of this as a brother helping a brother.
(Zoran, 30 October 2015 17:59)
Sure, like Russia's brotherly help one year ago [link]
(icj1, 1 November 2015 23:32)
You have a really big problem!
You have a double personality!
Once you hate muslims and then you like them.
I will highly recommend to you to read your previous comments about muslims.
(Joni, 3 November 2015 13:13)
Serbia is acting in their country's interest. That is what responsible leaders do.
It was logical that Russia would reassert itself on the world stage, especially in the power vacuum created by the Obama Administration. The world is being treated to a first in the history of great–power politics. Traditionally, the might of nations was hemmed in by others in an endless game of pressure and counter-pressure. Now, the reigning superpower (USA) is proposing to neutralize itself – no foes needed. Therefore, it was logical that Russia would emerge as a reliable partner in foreign affairs.
Why should any rational country not seek relations in their interest given the record of Obama, Kerry, and Clinton. These fools pull the rug out from under their allies, and reward their enemies. And, as for the EU and NATO, it's a death watch.
(The Grey Grater, 31 October 2015 21:16)