"ICAO norms violated in MH17 crash probe"

MOSCOW -- "All ICAO (International Civil Aviation Organization) norms are being violated" in the investigation into the MH17 crash, Russian FM Sergei Lavrov has said.

Source: Tanjug, TASS, sputnik.com
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  1. Having realized that you lied with your famous "almost no country in the world supports what Russia did in Ukraine"
    (Leonidas, 31 December 2014 11:06)

    Why? Did you provide any evidence that many countries support what Russia did in Ukraine?!
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    now you ask a statement from the Chinese foreign minister to satisfy the request of a deluded Albanian.
    (Leonidas, 31 December 2014 11:06)

    Of course, if you want to prove that they respect Putin and Lavrov for what they did in Ukraine. I assume you are not the spokesperson of China's Ministry of Foreign Affairs.
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    The fact that all BRIC countries have refused to join Western sanctions on Russia over Ukraine further re-enforces my point.
    (Leonidas, 31 December 2014 11:06)

    Sure, that means they don't support the sanctions. They have not said that they respect Putin or Lavrov for what they did in Ukraine. To the contrary, it is a fact that China's Ministry of Foreign Affairs has said that China respects the independence, sovereignty and territorial integrity of Ukraine.
    (icj1, 31 December 2014 18:39)

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  2. Like Russia, China also walked out of U.N. Security Council meeting where Britain planned to pursue a resolution on intervening in Syria.
    (Leonidas, 30 December 2014 00:27)

    Evidence please! Where did you see that?

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    (Leonidas, 31 December 2014 10:55)

    Yes, and where can I see China walking out? I see an internet article that says that, but I don't see any video or statement from China saying that China walked out. Are you aware that if China walks out it cannot exercise its veto in the UNSC lol
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    You seem to omit the fact that US backed an illegal coup in Ukraine with $5 Billion and are backing ethnic cleansing in the East? Evidence of Nuland's video with the famous "f##k the EU".
    (Leonidas, 31 December 2014 10:59)

    Of course I omit that "fact" because the CE of B92 forums sj had declared the US collapsed and run out of cash. Since the CE of B92 forums sj is never wrong, your "fact" about the 5 billion above is therefore garbage.
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    People get their news coverage through the media outlets unlike yourself who get it from the horse's mouth.
    (Leonidas, 31 December 2014 11:06)

    Of course I want to get it from the official mouth and not your mouth especially since you are a certified lier in these forums.
    (icj1, 31 December 2014 18:38)

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  3. We need evidence from those countries' official sources saying that they support what Russia did in Ukraine. You don't need articles written by somebody for that. Just provide a press release or press conference transcript or speech from the official sites where officials represententing the position of that country say that they support what Russia did in Ukraine.
    (icj1

    People get their news coverage through the media outlets unlike yourself who get it from the horse's mouth.Having realized that you lied with your famous "almost no country in the world supports what Russia did in Ukraine" now you ask a statement from the Chinese foreign minister to satisfy the request of a deluded Albanian.The fact that all BRIC countries have refused to join Western sanctions on Russia over Ukraine further re-enforces my point.
    (Leonidas, 31 December 2014 11:06)

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  4. what Russia did in Ukraine.
    (icj1, 31 December 2014 05:05)

    You seem to omit the fact that US backed an illegal coup in Ukraine with $5 Billion and are backing ethnic cleansing in the East? Evidence of Nuland's video with the famous "f##k the EU".
    (Leonidas, 31 December 2014 10:59)

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  5. Like Russia, China also walked out of U.N. Security Council meeting where Britain planned to pursue a resolution on intervening in Syria.
    (Leonidas, 30 December 2014 00:27)

    Evidence please! Where did you see that?

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    (Leonidas, 31 December 2014 10:55)

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  6. I have answered the statement above that
    "almost no country supports Russia on Ukraine" by providing links which confirms the BRICS support not only on Russia's position on Ukraine but also Syria and Iran. Who's the deluded?
    (Leonidas, 30 December 2014 17:47)

    You provided links which proved that somebody has written somewhere in internet the same things you write here. But that's not what we're asking - we know already that there are some people who write the same things as you.

    We need evidence from those countries' official sources saying that they support what Russia did in Ukraine. You don't need articles written by somebody for that. Just provide a press release or press conference transcript or speech from the official sites where officials represententing the position of that country say that they support what Russia did in Ukraine.
    (icj1, 31 December 2014 05:05)

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  7. Indeed, almost no country in the world supports what Russia did in Ukraine. Even China made sure to declare that China supports the territorial integrity of Ukraine.

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    (Leonidas, 30 December 2014 00:05)

    Mate, countries supporting Russia, means that you need an official source from those countries saying that, not articles from internet which say that country X said Y. Not sure why you guys really avoid quoting from the primary sources, but rely on interpretations of others on what others said.

    For example, when asked about Russia's actions, China's Ministry of Foreign Affairs China said that China respects the independence, sovereignty and territorial integrity of Ukraine. China's Ministry of Foreign Affairs is a credible source of China's position, not some article written by somebody that you find in internet.
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    Like Russia, China also walked out of U.N. Security Council meeting where Britain planned to pursue a resolution on intervening in Syria.
    (Leonidas, 30 December 2014 00:27)

    Evidence please! Where did you see that?
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    I was replying to IJT1's nonsense that no country approved of Russia's stance in Ukraine.
    (Leonidas, 30 December 2014 13:49)

    Another lie, as many others. I never said that. I carefully choose my words mate :)
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    The BRICS countries have all supported Russia's stance on Iran and Syria.
    (Leonidas, 30 December 2014 13:49)

    I mentioned Ukraine, not Iran or Syria.
    (icj1, 31 December 2014 04:58)

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  8. Indeed, almost no country in the world supports what Russia did in Ukraine. Even China made sure to declare that China supports the territorial integrity of Ukraine.
    (icj1, 29 December 2014 05:09)

    makes me think im either dealing secret agents or deluded individuals.
    (Nikolle, 30 December 2014 15:23)

    As usual Albanians are beating around the bush and are trying to gain an advantage out of their ignorance.I have answered the statement above that
    "almost no country supports Russia on Ukraine" by providing links which confirms the BRICS support not only on Russia's position on Ukraine but also Syria and Iran. Who's the deluded?
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  9. so we now go from paying respects, to approve of stance. by that logic, more UN states approve of the stance that the US has taken on Kosovo than do not, considering more UN states recognize the independence than don't. honestly, sometimes the stuff i read here, makes me think im either dealing secret agents or deluded individuals. i'll leave it to you to decide which one is the more likely.
    (Nikolle, 30 December 2014 15:23)

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  10. no no, you used the words pay respect from all over the world. so, which states have paid their respects to Russia for apparently stopping the West invading Syria? (p.s. it was the British Parliament that stopped Cameron form bombing Assad, not Russia)
    (Nikolle, 30 December 2014 10:09)

    You do like to play with words ,don't you? I was replying to IJT1's nonsense that no country approved of Russia's stance in Ukraine.The BRICS countries have all supported Russia's stance on Iran and Syria.Prior to Cameron telling his usual lies to his so-called parliament he presented a plan to UN security Council in order to get rid off Assad to which both Russia and China walked out.
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  11. no no, you used the words pay respect from all over the world. so, which states have paid their respects to Russia for apparently stopping the West invading Syria? (p.s. it was the British Parliament that stopped Cameron form bombing Assad, not Russia)
    (Nikolle, 30 December 2014 10:09)

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  12. Can you please list some, with sources corroborating the above claim. Also, the quote would have to say 'we pay our respects to you for your role on preventing the West invasion of Iran & Syria.
    (Nikolle,

    Like Russia, China also walked out of U.N. Security Council meeting where Britain planned to pursue a resolution on intervening in Syria.

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    (Leonidas, 30 December 2014 00:27)

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  13. Indeed, almost no country in the world supports what Russia did in Ukraine. Even China made sure to declare that China supports the territorial integrity of Ukraine.

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    (Leonidas, 30 December 2014 00:05)

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  14. "Countries around the world (minus Albania & Kosovo)paid their respect to Putin and Lavrov for their role in preventing the West invading Iran and Syria"

    Can you please list some, with sources corroborating the above claim. Also, the quote would have to say 'we pay our respects to you for your role on preventing the West invasion of Iran & Syria.
    (Nikolle, 29 December 2014 14:40)

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  15. Sure, if you define "respectability" as a lack of support by most countries in the world.

    CTC1

    Countries around the world (minus Albania & Kosovo)paid their respect to Putin and Lavrov for their role in preventing the West invading Iran and Syria.As for Ukraine,Crimea was 'given' to another Soviet possession, not an independent state, and is Russian by right and by Crimean elections. Putin is winning the war the US has waged by doing exactly the opposite of what they expect. The US wanted him to invade Ukraine and take the bait. He didn't. They wanted to turn the Russian people against him. It didn't work.In fact he's more popular than ever. They wanted to sink the Russian economy with sanctions, industrial espionage, market manipulation and oil price rigging and the crash came and went. It didn't work.The US emperor US has removed his clothes and what you see underneath is a naked George Soros with all his ugliness.
    (Leonidas, 29 December 2014 11:10)

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  16. Putin and Lavrov have gained the respectability of the world
    (Leonidas, 26 December 2014 11:25)

    Sure, if you define "respectability" as a lack of support by most countries in the world.

    Indeed, almost no country in the world supports what Russia did in Ukraine. Even China made sure to declare that China supports the territorial integrity of Ukraine.
    (icj1, 29 December 2014 05:09)

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  17. Most likely MH-17 was shot down by the separatists in eastern Ukraine (who even posted about their glorious deed that they shot down a plane, without knowing it was a civil airplane) with a mobile BUK system that Russia 'lent' them (and which was taken back with a missile missing shorty after it). (Comm. Parrisson, 26 December 2014 10:56)

    The truth is that 2 out of 3 Ukrainian war planes that started together to meet the MH-17 were brought down with Igla mobile systems because they were flying at a 3-4 kilometer height. Meanwhile the only one plane loaded with the air-to-air missiles was twice higher i.e. outside the range of the Igla systems.

    Your suggestion about BUK system is the American version used to implement sanctions long before the experts said anything. Very much it reminds the white powder that Collin Power demonstrated in the UN headquarters as a pretext for invading Iraq …

    It’s impossible that the rebels could use such a sophisticated system on 4 vehicles that even the trained Ukrainian officers failed to implement because they were limited with 2 minutes chance. After that MH-17 left the zone of the missiles. Later Russia gave evidence that the BUK system was missing 1 missile on the way back to their base and that the Nazi used a long trucks belonging to oligarch Kolomoisky. But according to the Russian version this attack initially had poor chance for success and this is why Ukraine used the planes.
    (rote, 27 December 2014 10:09)

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  18. Nobody ever claimed that Russia was behind it.
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    Wrong, Australian PM was going to shirtfront Putin over this. He was blamed at leat here in Australia from the very beginning.
    Then we have EU and the US imposing sanctions on Russia. Why is that is nobody is blaming Putin?
    (Peggy, 27 December 2014 06:43)

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  19. Get real.

    Russia (President for Life Putin) has a history of using the diplomatic technique of 'plausible deniability'.

    In the case of this airline he has messed up by providing impetus to rebels in Ukraine - by invading Crimea.

    Whoever shot this plane down, be clear that it would not have happened if Putin had kept his backside out of Crimea.

    Probably it was accidentally shot down by Russian supporting rebels because of maliciousness and/or stupidity using Russian supplied equipment. In the absence of proof to the contrary, this is the most likely explanation. If so, we can blame Putin for providing the missile. He would use plausible deniability in this circumstance.

    I think no one intended this.

    It is conspiracy theory extraordinaire to think this is a deliberate act. It would have been very stupid and pointless for anyone to indulge in an obviously criminal act against a civilian plane. That does not fit any sort of plausibile explanation.

    The main point is that if Putin didn't have illegal expansionist ambitions, this war would not happen and the shooting-down would not have occurred.
    (Bob, 27 December 2014 04:26)

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  20. Nobody ever claimed that Russia was behind it. Most likely MH-17 was shot down by the separatists in eastern Ukraine (who even posted about their glorious deed that they shot down a plane, without knowing it was a civil airplane) with a mobile BUK system that Russia 'lent' them (and which was taken back with a missile missing shorty after it).
    (Comm. Parrisson, 26 December 2014 10:56)

    Here are Kerry’s words on 20th July 2014: “It’s pretty clear that this is a system that was transferred from Russia into the hands of separatists. We know with confidence, with confidence, that the Ukrainians did not have such a system anywhere near the vicinity at that point and time, so it obviously points a very clear finger at the separatists.”
    The way the entire Western news media was orchestrated blaming instantly Russia long in advance of any real information suggests that the downing of the airliner was a US operation and not the first time.
    (Leonidas, 26 December 2014 11:44)

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  21. (icj1

    Of course the West doesn't need proof.Their only game has always been "guilt by insinuation".On 20th of July 2014 John Kerry confirmed that pro-Russian separatists were involved in the downing of the Malaysian airliner and said that it was “pretty clear” that Russia was involved.It's of course the same John Kerry who lied repeatedly that Assad “used chemical weapons against his own people” or his endless lies about “Iranian nukes”.However, Kerry was never able to back up his statements with evidence.It suffices to say the International Atomic Energy Commission’s inspectors on the ground in Iran and
    all 16 US intelligence agencies reported that Iran had no nuclear weapons program.
    The Russian Defence Ministry has repeatedly pointed out that at the moment of destruction of MH-17 an American satellite was flying over the area.Why isn't Washington making available all the photos and data captured by the satellite? Simply,the US satellite photos do not support Kerry’s claim.
    Putin and Lavrov have gained the respectability of the world for their stance against the fascist circles of the West planning the destruction of Iran, Syria and Ukraine. Washington did hide behind lies in Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Somalia, and Syria, but they cannot hide any longer.However ,paid idiotic trolls like yourself and few other Albanians with multiple IDs will continue parroting on this site the US is equivalent of human rights an democracy.
    (Leonidas, 26 December 2014 11:25)

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  22. "If the West had any proof that Russia was behind the MH-17, the ever obliging captive western media would be screaming it 24 hours a day, 7 days per week. "
    (Leonidas, 25 December 2014 11:44)

    Nobody ever claimed that Russia was behind it. Most likely MH-17 was shot down by the separatists in eastern Ukraine (who even posted about their glorious deed that they shot down a plane, without knowing it was a civil airplane) with a mobile BUK system that Russia 'lent' them (and which was taken back with a missile missing shorty after it).
    (Comm. Parrisson, 26 December 2014 10:56)

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  23. Here's another fact:

    'Russia Today claims people on board of the MH17 airplane were already dead when shot down'

    (find the propaganda link yourself, Google is your friend)

    Merry Christmas

    P.S: 'Facts' and 'claims' are not compatible with each other.
    (Just another misinformation, 26 December 2014 10:15)

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  24. If the West had any proof that Russia was behind the MH-17, the ever obliging captive western media would be screaming it 24 hours a day, 7 days per week.
    (Leonidas, 25 December 2014 11:44)

    Why does the West need to have the proof?! Russians showed the proof themselves when they proudly claimed to have shot down a "Ukrainian" plane, only to retract it when they understood that what they had shot down was a civilian airliner. Anyway, I'm sure that Mr. Lavrov will be successful in convincing you, rote and few others here and the Russian populace about what he says since the Russian populace buys whatever the Kremlin sells - his comments are meant for internal consumption. Mr. Lavrov in experienced enough to know that few people outside Russia would believe him considering that him & Putin have lost most of their credibility in international relations.
    (icj1, 26 December 2014 03:01)

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  25. here's the fact what happened .....


    'Ukrainian military worker' claims one of his country's fighter jets shot down MH17



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    (american propaganda days are over, 25 December 2014 18:54)

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  26. Besides Russian propaganda and lies and western (mis-)information or speculations, here's some nice report putting together information and pieces availiable about the MH-17:

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    (Just for Information, 25 December 2014 17:57)

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  27. Today Russian experts have only one question – what kind of a war plane the Ukrainians used to bring down the MH-17 ? Was it a SU-25 or SU-27 or Mig-29 ? Pro et contra are available here

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    (rote, 25 December 2014 12:33)

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  28. “The Dutch Safety Board (DSB) published a preliminary report in September saying the airliner was penetrated by "a large number of high-energy objects" causing it to break up in mid-air.”

    10 questions the Russian Ministry of Defense put to the Ukrainian side in a week after the tragedy were ignored by the commission though Russia was ready to provide the evidence we had. One question was concerned the shells found in the MH-17 and the dead bodies. The thing is that the experts can always say what missile was used. If it was Buk System or SU-25 then Russia and the rebels will have a 100% alibi. Seems that such developments was not planned in NATO headquarters because MH-17 was the main pretext for the anti-Russian sanctions … Also it will add arguments to the Russian stance at the Nazi regime the West has brought to power in Kiev. This is why for the first time in history such investigation became formally secret and after so many months we have almost zero info. Should the plane fall on the Russian soil nothing would help us but the plane was hit 5 minutes before it entered Russia. As a result the West is at a loss and this is why they were so reluctant to even start the investigation. Most likely today they wait for the regime to fall and then they are to tell us what we already guess.
    (rote, 25 December 2014 12:19)

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  29. “Today, when the tragedy with the Malaysian Boeing is being slurred over and we are the only ones to urge to pay attention to the fact that the investigation is unduly dragged out, our Western partners keep silent or at best are saying that about one year more is needed,” the TASS agency reported Lavrov as saying.

    They keep silent because they are the guilty party in this gruesome affair.If the West had any proof that Russia was behind the MH-17, the ever obliging captive western media would be screaming it 24 hours a day, 7 days per week. Instead we have mostly silence met by the occasional faked video or unsubstantiated unattributable remark.Let's remind ourselves the Russians have asked the US to release their satellite monitoring pictures of the MH-17 flight to which the US declined to do so on "security" reasons. MH -17 was a failed false flag, similar to the Gulf of Tonkin, a pretext used by the US to initiate war.
    (Leonidas, 25 December 2014 11:44)

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