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Tuesday, 23.06.2015.

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Progress made during Kosovo round, no agreements reached

Aleksandar Vucic has said there had been no agreement regarding a future community of Serb municipalities during today's round of Belgrade-Pristina talks.

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Right on righteous.

pre 8 godina

people of Serbia will never forget Kosovo and Metohija
(RighteousBilly, 25 June 2015 07:36
I think that is the point RighteousNilly! Serbs should never forget that just because there is a weaker people they are not able to do with them as they wish without regard to human life and dignity. There is always a bigger force watching over you and you will suffer the consequences.
A sign should be erected on the Kosovo border saying Kosovo WAS a part of Serbia and now it should be forever be a reminder that it was lost due to the atrocious abuse it cast on the Kosovo people.

icj1

pre 8 godina

people of Serbia will never forget Kosovo and Metohija
(RighteousBilly, 25 June 2015 07:36)

Of course and nobody is asking the people of Serbia to forget anything. I'm sure that for every person in Serbia, like the rest of the people in the world, there are things which have left an impression on him/her and he/she will never forget them.

I, for example, can never forget the Oktoberfest in Munich from when I was there a couple of years ago. Even if you repeat ad nauseam that I should forget it, I won't. Therefore I plan to visit Munich again since it's not that far away :)

j

pre 8 godina

Squiptar, it seems that you albanians dont understand a thing! Serbia will never accept illegal occupation of Kosovo and Metohija and people of Serbia will never forget Kosovo and Metohija. As soon as you figure out that it was better. When we all lived in peace in one country-Serbia

-- Billy, fist of all you need to return your keyboard. It looks like yours is missing a couple of letters. That's not how you spell Shqiptar.

Second, Albanians will never forget Kosova either. The sooner you get that, the better. What you accept or not is totally up to you. It's your choice. Meanwhile we move on.

Third, when we all lived in Serbia you as a Serb lived in peace while we as Albanians lived in an apartheid society where the Serbs had all the nice, important jobs, while we had nothing. Of course you like that arrangement. What colionalist power didn't like ruling over the majority. In that sense Serbia was no different than any of the other colionalist power. I fully understand why you are so but.t.hurt. It's never easy to accept falling from absolute power. However it is this exact attitude you have know that brought your downfall. Keep it going though, irrational Serbs are our best allies.

food for thought

pre 8 godina

ummm.

everyone migrated from somewhere and pushed out the guys they found there.

or did you grow out of the ground?
(factman, 26 June 2015 02:20)
Most excellent statement, it matters not who came first to a land nor who lived on it 1000, 10,000 years we are not isolated clans, this is the 21st century and we are a global world and global economy. Issues are not based on ethnic makeup today, outside of the Balkans and the middle east.
I am from the US and my ancestors mainly came from Scotland and Austria, but I have no desires to claim those lands nor place any importance on the matter other than maybe conversation topics.
What matters today is what the people on the land make of it. Ethnic cleansing should not be tolerated in todays world whether it be Serbs against Albanians, or Albanians against Serbs or Jews against Palestinians, etc, etc.

There are a lot of evils from generations past but they should not cloud the present.

Joni

pre 8 godina

(Ratko, 24 June 2015 17:14)

I love Germans!
And i'm so happy that they support us, as much as they see how much we are fighting for our country. I really love them...
I totally agree with Germans, and i respect their laws.
A good friend is not who "take care" of your problems, is who make you face with your problems, and help you to overcome the problems..
***
Germany is still asking in Albania for qualified people, or newly graduate young people and gives to them to much opportunities in Germany.
I see this as a good and as a bad think in my point of view.

ETHNIC ALBANIA

pre 8 godina

Sorry serbia but your GAME IS OVER. History proves that SLAVS never existed in Europe before the SLAV MIGRATION which every 5th grader in Europe learns of in history class. Everybody knows that you NON EUROPEAN SLAVS migrated into Europe in the 7th century and stole lands from the Albanian Illyrians. Not the other way around. If u don't hate the Albanians stop trying to steal their lands.

Dritan Didi

pre 8 godina

Funny pic Serbian big foot Vucic, Ugly Italian Mogherini and dwarth Kosovar Isa Mustafa it makes me laugh about their looks and appearance. Hahaha This guys are really funny.

RighteousBilly

pre 8 godina

Squiptar, it seems that you albanians dont understand a thing! Serbia will never accept illegal occupation of Kosovo and Metohija and people of Serbia will never forget Kosovo and Metohija. As soon as you figure out that it was better. When we all lived in peace in one country-Serbia before terrorist forces pushed Albanians against their country we were all happy, but alabanians always have tendecy to join powerful empires (Ottoman, Austrian, Third Reich, NATO) fooling themselves that empires think about their interests.Americans control Kosovo and Metohija resources and Kosovo and Metohija is now mafia state that is under indirect control of Americans by controlling mafia and war criminals in Pristina. No one likes Albanians and you have to live with your neighbours, think abou it.

the actual truth

pre 8 godina

"mutual recognition of car insurance was signed", this is done between two countries and not within your own country!!! Anybody from Serb side can explain this phenomena?
(the truth, 24 June 2015 16:43)

Sure, I'd be glad to once again help you figure it out. See, car insurance isn't state-run in all cases. There are various insurance companies that operate in various countries because they have business licences to operate there. But that doesn't mean they're official state institutions. So the mutual recognition of car insurances simply means the Serbia and the territory of Kosovo agree to recognize the different insurance carriers that exist so when someone is pulled over, the police know the car is properly insured with an official carrier instead of some phantom company.

I hope this now makes sense to you. You really seemed confused, as you usually do, in your comment and I'm glad I was able to help.

Ari Gold

pre 8 godina

Serbia did take Vojvodina from Hungary and did not send back any infrastructure. (oh and Serbai did not win the war on its own) as I know you will say NATO helped who cares you lost the war signed Kumanovo agreement.

Cheers.
(Atila, 24 June 2015 13:21)

That's not how life works, you monkey. When you can prove you have property rights, that holds up in any court. That's why these phony negotiations are taking place in the first place. Only Serbia can give this stuff up. Serbia has given up a lot as Demi says. Let's hope he's not right and Vucic's gov't will capitulate on everything. So far, it has remained firm on these lucrative enterprises that the Albanians did not invest in.

And Serbia did not lose the war to the Albanians. Serbia defeated the KLA every single time. So NATO should take the property (as it already has in many cases), not the Albanians who have never defeated Serbia's army.

And Demi yes you hit the nail on the head right there. Overbreeding and stealing what isn't yours are very vintage kosovari traits. It can still be stopped, and your institutions desperately need Trepca, Brezovica and Gazivoda. But even if you got it, Thaci would run through the money he makes off privatizing it and you will still be the most impoverished people in Europe.

Shqiptar

pre 8 godina

These negotiations between Kosovo and Serbia are good for both countries. I think the faster they come to a conclusion (signed agreements) the better because rules will be in place and everyone will mind their own business.

From my (realistic) point of view as an Albanian, I don't want Serbia to have any political influence on Kosovo at all after full normalization. Serbia may see Kosovo as 4th world country (there is no such thing) or see it as part of itself (only in her heart), but as long as Serbia respects Kosovo as a country, everything will be good.

I don't know what Serbian's (realistic) point of view is exactly, but problably our realistic point of views are not very close.

I believe that using the Northern Kosovo Serbs and Presevo Valley Albanians as a start to make all Albanians and Serbs in Balkans start seeing each other as becoming slowly friends, will make future agreements easier. All I am trying to say is make small agreements and promote friendship in the same time. Then any agreement will not look bad, because Albanians and Serbs will say "Eh, it's OK, they are our friends".

Ratko

pre 8 godina

@ joni

Hey joni did you hear that Germany is deporting back Albanians? Albanian asylum seekers / refugees / migrants I don't know whatever you want to call them... And I thought they are your big friendly ally and they care about you, joni joni joni

the truth

pre 8 godina

The statement also said that on the sidelines of the negotiating round today an agreement on mutual recognition of car insurance was signed, and that it was achieved with the support of the Council of Green Card Bureau.

I started reading the said news article and whatever Vucic was saying, I was believing him but when I reached the above paragraph, I knew Vucic is full of s..t.
"mutual recognition of car insurance was signed", this is done between two countries and not within your own country!!! Anybody from Serb side can explain this phenomena?

Joni

pre 8 godina

Why are you still here weren't you supposed to be in middle east by now joining you Islamic jihad brothers? Cause that's where you belong demi or back to turkey where you came from. You are the scum of Europe.
(Ratko, 24 June 2015 15:33)

Do all know what is a low IQ?
Here we have Ratko.
You were probably failed in history.
But as i see you are even a failed man.
If you are not able to make "down" an Albanian, don't try this way, because you just offend yourself and your own, to show how incapable are you to face fairly an Albanian.
By the way, i have one question for you.
From whom have you borrowed your language??
Russians??

Albo Troll Wranger

pre 8 godina

Your birthrate is low and with time most of south Serbia will be populated by Albanians. I have information that some Albanians already have started buying property and apartaments in Nis for example.
(Demi, 24 June 2015 14:33)

LOL Ah yes, the typical Albanian plan for everything: outbreed the enemy you can't defeat any other way. Look bud, you people are overpopulated as it is and have the lowest standards of living anywhere in Europe. You think forcing your women to spit out 20 babies a piece is going to get you Kosovo in 20 - 30 years when indoor plumbing is still an optional feature in Albanian homes today? Get real.

kiko

pre 8 godina

I remember the former PM's saying that in 20 years time they could have a referendum to decide on the fate of Kosovo/a (same time when Montenegro was having their referendum on splitting away from Yugoslavia). It seems that over 10 years have passed. And each day you see more of Kosovo/a being recognized or being admitted into international organs.
This negotiation process is a stepping stone of easing the transition to normality. And that normality is what is currently present on the ground.
I think the people that most invested in Kosovo/a and Macedonia were Slovenia and Croatia. Read the economic funding process of the 70's and 80's and you'll see where the funds came from. The third republic would have been Serbia and decisions were made in Belgrade on distribution.
My concern is that during the communist era, not all funds reached their destination point as a lot of communists were corrupt and projects were never built with the funds allocated to the projects. So where did the money go? Hmmmm Serbs controlled a lot so who got rich off the sweat of Slovenians, Croats, and Serbs?

Ratko

pre 8 godina

@ demi

Why are you still here weren't you supposed to be in middle east by now joining you Islamic jihad brothers? Cause that's where you belong demi or back to turkey where you came from. You are the scum of Europe.

Demi

pre 8 godina

Ari gold,

First of all we Albanians will take everything in Kosova. Everything belongs to us and we will take it dont worry about that. In 20-30 years we will take over northern Kosova. Nothing will be done by force but by dialoug and investments of the local population and diaspora. Serbs cannot live with us and we cannot live with them. When we start buying in northern Kosova serbs will slowly move to their own kind in Serbia. Your birthrate is low and with time most of south Serbia will be populated by Albanians. I have information that some Albanians already have started buying property and apartaments in Nis for example.

Secondly all investments done in Kosova have been done by Kosovar taxpayers from Kosova. Serbia have not done anything but destroy Kosova and its citizens.

But your leadership already know this and are giving up on everything in Kosova piece by piece in this so called dialoug. And its doing it this way to save some face and to fool you natonalist serbs.

When the time comes for Serbia to recognize Kosova people like you Ari will not know what happend.

Atila

pre 8 godina

Serbia built almost everything you see in Kosovo-Metohija but the mosques. Much has been stolen, but these three properties must be defended at all costs.
(Ari Gold, 24 June 2015 10:02)

Lets say your helusination is true they build everything.

They Lost the war tho victors go the spoils, France took alsas region from Germany no german says I want my investment back.

Serbia did take Vojvodina from Hungary and did not send back any infrastructure. (oh and Serbai did not win the war on its own) as I know you will say NATO helped who cares you lost the war signed Kumanovo agreement.

Cheers.

Demi

pre 8 godina

Ari gold,

First of all we Albanians will take everything in Kosova. Everything belongs to us and we will take it dont worry about that. In 20-30 years we will take over northern Kosova. Nothing will be done by force but by dialoug and investments of the local population and diaspora. Serbs cannot live with us and we cannot live with them. When we start buying in northern Kosova serbs will slowly move to their own kind in Serbia. Your birthrate is low and with time most of south Serbia will be populated by Albanians. I have information that some Albanians already have started buying property and apartaments in Nis for example.

Secondly all investments done in Kosova have been done by Kosovar taxpayers from Kosova. Serbia have not done anything but destroy Kosova and its citizens.

But your leadership already know this and are giving up on everything in Kosova piece by piece in this so called dialoug. And its doing it this way to save some face and to fool you natonalist serbs.

When the time comes for Serbia to recognize Kosova people like you Ari will not know what happend.

RighteousBilly

pre 8 godina

Muzaka, I once asked you a question about Alabanian role in Kosovo battle and I didnt get any answer. I hope you will answer this time, what sources speak about albanian role in the battle of 1389? Maybe, this will help:
http://deremilitari.org/2014/03/the-battle-of-kosovo-early-reports-of-victory-and-defeat/

adrian kola

pre 8 godina

"Lake Gazivode is an artifical lake owned by Serbia and located in the central part of the country, and Belgrade insists that the lake, along with the entire hydro-power system, should be under control of the future community of Serb municipalities." If that's not a blatant lie then I don't know what it is. Well done B92 for guising as the effective propaganda mouthpiece for the nationalist government!

Ari Gold

pre 8 godina

are you talking about the investments they burned to the ground in the last war?
Serbia cannot give up on them, because serbia already lost them.
(Revolution, 23 June 2015 23:45)

Have you not been keeping up with what's been going on? Trepca, the portion that is south of the Mitrovica bridge has been stolen a long time ago. But now the KLA want to steal the northern portion of Trepca which is more lucrative. Also, Brezovica ski center in Strpce has been the target of the KLA in the south, trying to privatize it to some French company. Unsuccessfully, it can only happen if Serbia capitulates. Gazivoda is 70% in Kosovo-Metohija and 30% in central Serbia. But 50% of what is in Kosovo-Metohija runs through the northern, free part that is out of KLA control. They have been trying to steal that too.

Serbia built almost everything you see in Kosovo-Metohija but the mosques. Much has been stolen, but these three properties must be defended at all costs.

factman

pre 8 godina

What a pathetic looking picture.

The guy on the left looks like he never wore a suit before. It's a size too big. He's the Prime Minister? OMG. Get him a tailor. Please.

The lady Mogherini needs a stylist and a makeover. And the pearls dont fit the outfit whatsoever.

Vucic looks better, but that ain't saying much. He appears slovenly honestly.

The flag is the worst thing. Look at it.

What a sad sack group talking about sad sack issues that are going nowhere for years now.

If anyone agrees to anything, it'll be because they are forced to do it (or tricked into doing it; or promised something that never is delivered). It won't be because they want to do it.

Pathetic.

Throw the lady out and go into a room and create some real agreement.

Serbs need to realize they can never fully rule Kosovo as before. And Albanians need to realize that an antagonistic Serbia at your doorstep means you will never develop properly (failed state).

Teodor Muzaka 1389

pre 8 godina

Serbia cannot give up on Gazivoda, Trepca and Brezovica. The KLA is going to try to move in on these things next...
(Ari Gold, 23 June 2015 22:16)

Since you are totally ignorant on Kosovo affairs, let me enlighten you that Isa Mustafa is Prime Minister of Kosovo.
He does not come from PDK( which was created by KLA) but from LDK, the Democratic League of Kosovo which was founded from late president Ibrahim (Peter, because he was converted to catholic in 2002) Rugova.

This is lesson number 1.

Do they educate people in Serbia,or just brainwash them?

Лаку ноћ / Laku noch!

Revolution

pre 8 godina

ari gold

are you talking about the investments they burned to the ground in the last war?
Serbia cannot give up on them, because serbia already lost them.

Ari Gold

pre 8 godina

Serbia cannot give up on Gazivoda, Trepca and Brezovica. The KLA is going to try to move in on these things next, and after the Trepca failure they have set their sights on Gazivoda. Serbia can't relent on this, it's not theirs. They did not invest in it. Serbia indebted itself financially to build most things you see in Kosovo-Metohija. There is documented proof on this, there are international property rights. The Albanians have stolen a lot, but these remaining things they cannot be allowed to steal and only Serbia can give them that opportunity.

Principa

pre 8 godina

Picture of Mustafa, Mogherini & Vucic tells it all -gloom, glum and smug!

These talks have gone nowhere once more (as per norm) and all the time Vucic talks of chapters opened by... opps that date has passed, by ... and thats passed - Dacic was right nothing Serbia does would open chapters/EU entry. Time for Serbia to steer its own path of reform for Serbia's interest and ditch the myth of EU!

Ari Gold

pre 8 godina

Serbia cannot give up on Gazivoda, Trepca and Brezovica. The KLA is going to try to move in on these things next, and after the Trepca failure they have set their sights on Gazivoda. Serbia can't relent on this, it's not theirs. They did not invest in it. Serbia indebted itself financially to build most things you see in Kosovo-Metohija. There is documented proof on this, there are international property rights. The Albanians have stolen a lot, but these remaining things they cannot be allowed to steal and only Serbia can give them that opportunity.

Joni

pre 8 godina

Why are you still here weren't you supposed to be in middle east by now joining you Islamic jihad brothers? Cause that's where you belong demi or back to turkey where you came from. You are the scum of Europe.
(Ratko, 24 June 2015 15:33)

Do all know what is a low IQ?
Here we have Ratko.
You were probably failed in history.
But as i see you are even a failed man.
If you are not able to make "down" an Albanian, don't try this way, because you just offend yourself and your own, to show how incapable are you to face fairly an Albanian.
By the way, i have one question for you.
From whom have you borrowed your language??
Russians??

Revolution

pre 8 godina

ari gold

are you talking about the investments they burned to the ground in the last war?
Serbia cannot give up on them, because serbia already lost them.

Teodor Muzaka 1389

pre 8 godina

Serbia cannot give up on Gazivoda, Trepca and Brezovica. The KLA is going to try to move in on these things next...
(Ari Gold, 23 June 2015 22:16)

Since you are totally ignorant on Kosovo affairs, let me enlighten you that Isa Mustafa is Prime Minister of Kosovo.
He does not come from PDK( which was created by KLA) but from LDK, the Democratic League of Kosovo which was founded from late president Ibrahim (Peter, because he was converted to catholic in 2002) Rugova.

This is lesson number 1.

Do they educate people in Serbia,or just brainwash them?

Лаку ноћ / Laku noch!

adrian kola

pre 8 godina

"Lake Gazivode is an artifical lake owned by Serbia and located in the central part of the country, and Belgrade insists that the lake, along with the entire hydro-power system, should be under control of the future community of Serb municipalities." If that's not a blatant lie then I don't know what it is. Well done B92 for guising as the effective propaganda mouthpiece for the nationalist government!

Demi

pre 8 godina

Ari gold,

First of all we Albanians will take everything in Kosova. Everything belongs to us and we will take it dont worry about that. In 20-30 years we will take over northern Kosova. Nothing will be done by force but by dialoug and investments of the local population and diaspora. Serbs cannot live with us and we cannot live with them. When we start buying in northern Kosova serbs will slowly move to their own kind in Serbia. Your birthrate is low and with time most of south Serbia will be populated by Albanians. I have information that some Albanians already have started buying property and apartaments in Nis for example.

Secondly all investments done in Kosova have been done by Kosovar taxpayers from Kosova. Serbia have not done anything but destroy Kosova and its citizens.

But your leadership already know this and are giving up on everything in Kosova piece by piece in this so called dialoug. And its doing it this way to save some face and to fool you natonalist serbs.

When the time comes for Serbia to recognize Kosova people like you Ari will not know what happend.

Ari Gold

pre 8 godina

are you talking about the investments they burned to the ground in the last war?
Serbia cannot give up on them, because serbia already lost them.
(Revolution, 23 June 2015 23:45)

Have you not been keeping up with what's been going on? Trepca, the portion that is south of the Mitrovica bridge has been stolen a long time ago. But now the KLA want to steal the northern portion of Trepca which is more lucrative. Also, Brezovica ski center in Strpce has been the target of the KLA in the south, trying to privatize it to some French company. Unsuccessfully, it can only happen if Serbia capitulates. Gazivoda is 70% in Kosovo-Metohija and 30% in central Serbia. But 50% of what is in Kosovo-Metohija runs through the northern, free part that is out of KLA control. They have been trying to steal that too.

Serbia built almost everything you see in Kosovo-Metohija but the mosques. Much has been stolen, but these three properties must be defended at all costs.

the truth

pre 8 godina

The statement also said that on the sidelines of the negotiating round today an agreement on mutual recognition of car insurance was signed, and that it was achieved with the support of the Council of Green Card Bureau.

I started reading the said news article and whatever Vucic was saying, I was believing him but when I reached the above paragraph, I knew Vucic is full of s..t.
"mutual recognition of car insurance was signed", this is done between two countries and not within your own country!!! Anybody from Serb side can explain this phenomena?

Albo Troll Wranger

pre 8 godina

Your birthrate is low and with time most of south Serbia will be populated by Albanians. I have information that some Albanians already have started buying property and apartaments in Nis for example.
(Demi, 24 June 2015 14:33)

LOL Ah yes, the typical Albanian plan for everything: outbreed the enemy you can't defeat any other way. Look bud, you people are overpopulated as it is and have the lowest standards of living anywhere in Europe. You think forcing your women to spit out 20 babies a piece is going to get you Kosovo in 20 - 30 years when indoor plumbing is still an optional feature in Albanian homes today? Get real.

Demi

pre 8 godina

Ari gold,

First of all we Albanians will take everything in Kosova. Everything belongs to us and we will take it dont worry about that. In 20-30 years we will take over northern Kosova. Nothing will be done by force but by dialoug and investments of the local population and diaspora. Serbs cannot live with us and we cannot live with them. When we start buying in northern Kosova serbs will slowly move to their own kind in Serbia. Your birthrate is low and with time most of south Serbia will be populated by Albanians. I have information that some Albanians already have started buying property and apartaments in Nis for example.

Secondly all investments done in Kosova have been done by Kosovar taxpayers from Kosova. Serbia have not done anything but destroy Kosova and its citizens.

But your leadership already know this and are giving up on everything in Kosova piece by piece in this so called dialoug. And its doing it this way to save some face and to fool you natonalist serbs.

When the time comes for Serbia to recognize Kosova people like you Ari will not know what happend.

Atila

pre 8 godina

Serbia built almost everything you see in Kosovo-Metohija but the mosques. Much has been stolen, but these three properties must be defended at all costs.
(Ari Gold, 24 June 2015 10:02)

Lets say your helusination is true they build everything.

They Lost the war tho victors go the spoils, France took alsas region from Germany no german says I want my investment back.

Serbia did take Vojvodina from Hungary and did not send back any infrastructure. (oh and Serbai did not win the war on its own) as I know you will say NATO helped who cares you lost the war signed Kumanovo agreement.

Cheers.

kiko

pre 8 godina

I remember the former PM's saying that in 20 years time they could have a referendum to decide on the fate of Kosovo/a (same time when Montenegro was having their referendum on splitting away from Yugoslavia). It seems that over 10 years have passed. And each day you see more of Kosovo/a being recognized or being admitted into international organs.
This negotiation process is a stepping stone of easing the transition to normality. And that normality is what is currently present on the ground.
I think the people that most invested in Kosovo/a and Macedonia were Slovenia and Croatia. Read the economic funding process of the 70's and 80's and you'll see where the funds came from. The third republic would have been Serbia and decisions were made in Belgrade on distribution.
My concern is that during the communist era, not all funds reached their destination point as a lot of communists were corrupt and projects were never built with the funds allocated to the projects. So where did the money go? Hmmmm Serbs controlled a lot so who got rich off the sweat of Slovenians, Croats, and Serbs?

Joni

pre 8 godina

(Ratko, 24 June 2015 17:14)

I love Germans!
And i'm so happy that they support us, as much as they see how much we are fighting for our country. I really love them...
I totally agree with Germans, and i respect their laws.
A good friend is not who "take care" of your problems, is who make you face with your problems, and help you to overcome the problems..
***
Germany is still asking in Albania for qualified people, or newly graduate young people and gives to them to much opportunities in Germany.
I see this as a good and as a bad think in my point of view.

Principa

pre 8 godina

Picture of Mustafa, Mogherini & Vucic tells it all -gloom, glum and smug!

These talks have gone nowhere once more (as per norm) and all the time Vucic talks of chapters opened by... opps that date has passed, by ... and thats passed - Dacic was right nothing Serbia does would open chapters/EU entry. Time for Serbia to steer its own path of reform for Serbia's interest and ditch the myth of EU!

Ratko

pre 8 godina

@ joni

Hey joni did you hear that Germany is deporting back Albanians? Albanian asylum seekers / refugees / migrants I don't know whatever you want to call them... And I thought they are your big friendly ally and they care about you, joni joni joni

ETHNIC ALBANIA

pre 8 godina

Sorry serbia but your GAME IS OVER. History proves that SLAVS never existed in Europe before the SLAV MIGRATION which every 5th grader in Europe learns of in history class. Everybody knows that you NON EUROPEAN SLAVS migrated into Europe in the 7th century and stole lands from the Albanian Illyrians. Not the other way around. If u don't hate the Albanians stop trying to steal their lands.

Ratko

pre 8 godina

@ demi

Why are you still here weren't you supposed to be in middle east by now joining you Islamic jihad brothers? Cause that's where you belong demi or back to turkey where you came from. You are the scum of Europe.

Shqiptar

pre 8 godina

These negotiations between Kosovo and Serbia are good for both countries. I think the faster they come to a conclusion (signed agreements) the better because rules will be in place and everyone will mind their own business.

From my (realistic) point of view as an Albanian, I don't want Serbia to have any political influence on Kosovo at all after full normalization. Serbia may see Kosovo as 4th world country (there is no such thing) or see it as part of itself (only in her heart), but as long as Serbia respects Kosovo as a country, everything will be good.

I don't know what Serbian's (realistic) point of view is exactly, but problably our realistic point of views are not very close.

I believe that using the Northern Kosovo Serbs and Presevo Valley Albanians as a start to make all Albanians and Serbs in Balkans start seeing each other as becoming slowly friends, will make future agreements easier. All I am trying to say is make small agreements and promote friendship in the same time. Then any agreement will not look bad, because Albanians and Serbs will say "Eh, it's OK, they are our friends".

Ari Gold

pre 8 godina

Serbia did take Vojvodina from Hungary and did not send back any infrastructure. (oh and Serbai did not win the war on its own) as I know you will say NATO helped who cares you lost the war signed Kumanovo agreement.

Cheers.
(Atila, 24 June 2015 13:21)

That's not how life works, you monkey. When you can prove you have property rights, that holds up in any court. That's why these phony negotiations are taking place in the first place. Only Serbia can give this stuff up. Serbia has given up a lot as Demi says. Let's hope he's not right and Vucic's gov't will capitulate on everything. So far, it has remained firm on these lucrative enterprises that the Albanians did not invest in.

And Serbia did not lose the war to the Albanians. Serbia defeated the KLA every single time. So NATO should take the property (as it already has in many cases), not the Albanians who have never defeated Serbia's army.

And Demi yes you hit the nail on the head right there. Overbreeding and stealing what isn't yours are very vintage kosovari traits. It can still be stopped, and your institutions desperately need Trepca, Brezovica and Gazivoda. But even if you got it, Thaci would run through the money he makes off privatizing it and you will still be the most impoverished people in Europe.

factman

pre 8 godina

What a pathetic looking picture.

The guy on the left looks like he never wore a suit before. It's a size too big. He's the Prime Minister? OMG. Get him a tailor. Please.

The lady Mogherini needs a stylist and a makeover. And the pearls dont fit the outfit whatsoever.

Vucic looks better, but that ain't saying much. He appears slovenly honestly.

The flag is the worst thing. Look at it.

What a sad sack group talking about sad sack issues that are going nowhere for years now.

If anyone agrees to anything, it'll be because they are forced to do it (or tricked into doing it; or promised something that never is delivered). It won't be because they want to do it.

Pathetic.

Throw the lady out and go into a room and create some real agreement.

Serbs need to realize they can never fully rule Kosovo as before. And Albanians need to realize that an antagonistic Serbia at your doorstep means you will never develop properly (failed state).

food for thought

pre 8 godina

ummm.

everyone migrated from somewhere and pushed out the guys they found there.

or did you grow out of the ground?
(factman, 26 June 2015 02:20)
Most excellent statement, it matters not who came first to a land nor who lived on it 1000, 10,000 years we are not isolated clans, this is the 21st century and we are a global world and global economy. Issues are not based on ethnic makeup today, outside of the Balkans and the middle east.
I am from the US and my ancestors mainly came from Scotland and Austria, but I have no desires to claim those lands nor place any importance on the matter other than maybe conversation topics.
What matters today is what the people on the land make of it. Ethnic cleansing should not be tolerated in todays world whether it be Serbs against Albanians, or Albanians against Serbs or Jews against Palestinians, etc, etc.

There are a lot of evils from generations past but they should not cloud the present.

RighteousBilly

pre 8 godina

Muzaka, I once asked you a question about Alabanian role in Kosovo battle and I didnt get any answer. I hope you will answer this time, what sources speak about albanian role in the battle of 1389? Maybe, this will help:
http://deremilitari.org/2014/03/the-battle-of-kosovo-early-reports-of-victory-and-defeat/

RighteousBilly

pre 8 godina

Squiptar, it seems that you albanians dont understand a thing! Serbia will never accept illegal occupation of Kosovo and Metohija and people of Serbia will never forget Kosovo and Metohija. As soon as you figure out that it was better. When we all lived in peace in one country-Serbia before terrorist forces pushed Albanians against their country we were all happy, but alabanians always have tendecy to join powerful empires (Ottoman, Austrian, Third Reich, NATO) fooling themselves that empires think about their interests.Americans control Kosovo and Metohija resources and Kosovo and Metohija is now mafia state that is under indirect control of Americans by controlling mafia and war criminals in Pristina. No one likes Albanians and you have to live with your neighbours, think abou it.

Dritan Didi

pre 8 godina

Funny pic Serbian big foot Vucic, Ugly Italian Mogherini and dwarth Kosovar Isa Mustafa it makes me laugh about their looks and appearance. Hahaha This guys are really funny.

j

pre 8 godina

Squiptar, it seems that you albanians dont understand a thing! Serbia will never accept illegal occupation of Kosovo and Metohija and people of Serbia will never forget Kosovo and Metohija. As soon as you figure out that it was better. When we all lived in peace in one country-Serbia

-- Billy, fist of all you need to return your keyboard. It looks like yours is missing a couple of letters. That's not how you spell Shqiptar.

Second, Albanians will never forget Kosova either. The sooner you get that, the better. What you accept or not is totally up to you. It's your choice. Meanwhile we move on.

Third, when we all lived in Serbia you as a Serb lived in peace while we as Albanians lived in an apartheid society where the Serbs had all the nice, important jobs, while we had nothing. Of course you like that arrangement. What colionalist power didn't like ruling over the majority. In that sense Serbia was no different than any of the other colionalist power. I fully understand why you are so but.t.hurt. It's never easy to accept falling from absolute power. However it is this exact attitude you have know that brought your downfall. Keep it going though, irrational Serbs are our best allies.

icj1

pre 8 godina

people of Serbia will never forget Kosovo and Metohija
(RighteousBilly, 25 June 2015 07:36)

Of course and nobody is asking the people of Serbia to forget anything. I'm sure that for every person in Serbia, like the rest of the people in the world, there are things which have left an impression on him/her and he/she will never forget them.

I, for example, can never forget the Oktoberfest in Munich from when I was there a couple of years ago. Even if you repeat ad nauseam that I should forget it, I won't. Therefore I plan to visit Munich again since it's not that far away :)

the actual truth

pre 8 godina

"mutual recognition of car insurance was signed", this is done between two countries and not within your own country!!! Anybody from Serb side can explain this phenomena?
(the truth, 24 June 2015 16:43)

Sure, I'd be glad to once again help you figure it out. See, car insurance isn't state-run in all cases. There are various insurance companies that operate in various countries because they have business licences to operate there. But that doesn't mean they're official state institutions. So the mutual recognition of car insurances simply means the Serbia and the territory of Kosovo agree to recognize the different insurance carriers that exist so when someone is pulled over, the police know the car is properly insured with an official carrier instead of some phantom company.

I hope this now makes sense to you. You really seemed confused, as you usually do, in your comment and I'm glad I was able to help.

Right on righteous.

pre 8 godina

people of Serbia will never forget Kosovo and Metohija
(RighteousBilly, 25 June 2015 07:36
I think that is the point RighteousNilly! Serbs should never forget that just because there is a weaker people they are not able to do with them as they wish without regard to human life and dignity. There is always a bigger force watching over you and you will suffer the consequences.
A sign should be erected on the Kosovo border saying Kosovo WAS a part of Serbia and now it should be forever be a reminder that it was lost due to the atrocious abuse it cast on the Kosovo people.

Ari Gold

pre 8 godina

Serbia cannot give up on Gazivoda, Trepca and Brezovica. The KLA is going to try to move in on these things next, and after the Trepca failure they have set their sights on Gazivoda. Serbia can't relent on this, it's not theirs. They did not invest in it. Serbia indebted itself financially to build most things you see in Kosovo-Metohija. There is documented proof on this, there are international property rights. The Albanians have stolen a lot, but these remaining things they cannot be allowed to steal and only Serbia can give them that opportunity.

Ratko

pre 8 godina

@ joni

Hey joni did you hear that Germany is deporting back Albanians? Albanian asylum seekers / refugees / migrants I don't know whatever you want to call them... And I thought they are your big friendly ally and they care about you, joni joni joni

Ratko

pre 8 godina

@ demi

Why are you still here weren't you supposed to be in middle east by now joining you Islamic jihad brothers? Cause that's where you belong demi or back to turkey where you came from. You are the scum of Europe.

Albo Troll Wranger

pre 8 godina

Your birthrate is low and with time most of south Serbia will be populated by Albanians. I have information that some Albanians already have started buying property and apartaments in Nis for example.
(Demi, 24 June 2015 14:33)

LOL Ah yes, the typical Albanian plan for everything: outbreed the enemy you can't defeat any other way. Look bud, you people are overpopulated as it is and have the lowest standards of living anywhere in Europe. You think forcing your women to spit out 20 babies a piece is going to get you Kosovo in 20 - 30 years when indoor plumbing is still an optional feature in Albanian homes today? Get real.

Ari Gold

pre 8 godina

Serbia did take Vojvodina from Hungary and did not send back any infrastructure. (oh and Serbai did not win the war on its own) as I know you will say NATO helped who cares you lost the war signed Kumanovo agreement.

Cheers.
(Atila, 24 June 2015 13:21)

That's not how life works, you monkey. When you can prove you have property rights, that holds up in any court. That's why these phony negotiations are taking place in the first place. Only Serbia can give this stuff up. Serbia has given up a lot as Demi says. Let's hope he's not right and Vucic's gov't will capitulate on everything. So far, it has remained firm on these lucrative enterprises that the Albanians did not invest in.

And Serbia did not lose the war to the Albanians. Serbia defeated the KLA every single time. So NATO should take the property (as it already has in many cases), not the Albanians who have never defeated Serbia's army.

And Demi yes you hit the nail on the head right there. Overbreeding and stealing what isn't yours are very vintage kosovari traits. It can still be stopped, and your institutions desperately need Trepca, Brezovica and Gazivoda. But even if you got it, Thaci would run through the money he makes off privatizing it and you will still be the most impoverished people in Europe.

Principa

pre 8 godina

Picture of Mustafa, Mogherini & Vucic tells it all -gloom, glum and smug!

These talks have gone nowhere once more (as per norm) and all the time Vucic talks of chapters opened by... opps that date has passed, by ... and thats passed - Dacic was right nothing Serbia does would open chapters/EU entry. Time for Serbia to steer its own path of reform for Serbia's interest and ditch the myth of EU!

Ari Gold

pre 8 godina

are you talking about the investments they burned to the ground in the last war?
Serbia cannot give up on them, because serbia already lost them.
(Revolution, 23 June 2015 23:45)

Have you not been keeping up with what's been going on? Trepca, the portion that is south of the Mitrovica bridge has been stolen a long time ago. But now the KLA want to steal the northern portion of Trepca which is more lucrative. Also, Brezovica ski center in Strpce has been the target of the KLA in the south, trying to privatize it to some French company. Unsuccessfully, it can only happen if Serbia capitulates. Gazivoda is 70% in Kosovo-Metohija and 30% in central Serbia. But 50% of what is in Kosovo-Metohija runs through the northern, free part that is out of KLA control. They have been trying to steal that too.

Serbia built almost everything you see in Kosovo-Metohija but the mosques. Much has been stolen, but these three properties must be defended at all costs.

Teodor Muzaka 1389

pre 8 godina

Serbia cannot give up on Gazivoda, Trepca and Brezovica. The KLA is going to try to move in on these things next...
(Ari Gold, 23 June 2015 22:16)

Since you are totally ignorant on Kosovo affairs, let me enlighten you that Isa Mustafa is Prime Minister of Kosovo.
He does not come from PDK( which was created by KLA) but from LDK, the Democratic League of Kosovo which was founded from late president Ibrahim (Peter, because he was converted to catholic in 2002) Rugova.

This is lesson number 1.

Do they educate people in Serbia,or just brainwash them?

Лаку ноћ / Laku noch!

factman

pre 8 godina

What a pathetic looking picture.

The guy on the left looks like he never wore a suit before. It's a size too big. He's the Prime Minister? OMG. Get him a tailor. Please.

The lady Mogherini needs a stylist and a makeover. And the pearls dont fit the outfit whatsoever.

Vucic looks better, but that ain't saying much. He appears slovenly honestly.

The flag is the worst thing. Look at it.

What a sad sack group talking about sad sack issues that are going nowhere for years now.

If anyone agrees to anything, it'll be because they are forced to do it (or tricked into doing it; or promised something that never is delivered). It won't be because they want to do it.

Pathetic.

Throw the lady out and go into a room and create some real agreement.

Serbs need to realize they can never fully rule Kosovo as before. And Albanians need to realize that an antagonistic Serbia at your doorstep means you will never develop properly (failed state).

adrian kola

pre 8 godina

"Lake Gazivode is an artifical lake owned by Serbia and located in the central part of the country, and Belgrade insists that the lake, along with the entire hydro-power system, should be under control of the future community of Serb municipalities." If that's not a blatant lie then I don't know what it is. Well done B92 for guising as the effective propaganda mouthpiece for the nationalist government!

RighteousBilly

pre 8 godina

Muzaka, I once asked you a question about Alabanian role in Kosovo battle and I didnt get any answer. I hope you will answer this time, what sources speak about albanian role in the battle of 1389? Maybe, this will help:
http://deremilitari.org/2014/03/the-battle-of-kosovo-early-reports-of-victory-and-defeat/

Demi

pre 8 godina

Ari gold,

First of all we Albanians will take everything in Kosova. Everything belongs to us and we will take it dont worry about that. In 20-30 years we will take over northern Kosova. Nothing will be done by force but by dialoug and investments of the local population and diaspora. Serbs cannot live with us and we cannot live with them. When we start buying in northern Kosova serbs will slowly move to their own kind in Serbia. Your birthrate is low and with time most of south Serbia will be populated by Albanians. I have information that some Albanians already have started buying property and apartaments in Nis for example.

Secondly all investments done in Kosova have been done by Kosovar taxpayers from Kosova. Serbia have not done anything but destroy Kosova and its citizens.

But your leadership already know this and are giving up on everything in Kosova piece by piece in this so called dialoug. And its doing it this way to save some face and to fool you natonalist serbs.

When the time comes for Serbia to recognize Kosova people like you Ari will not know what happend.

Revolution

pre 8 godina

ari gold

are you talking about the investments they burned to the ground in the last war?
Serbia cannot give up on them, because serbia already lost them.

Joni

pre 8 godina

Why are you still here weren't you supposed to be in middle east by now joining you Islamic jihad brothers? Cause that's where you belong demi or back to turkey where you came from. You are the scum of Europe.
(Ratko, 24 June 2015 15:33)

Do all know what is a low IQ?
Here we have Ratko.
You were probably failed in history.
But as i see you are even a failed man.
If you are not able to make "down" an Albanian, don't try this way, because you just offend yourself and your own, to show how incapable are you to face fairly an Albanian.
By the way, i have one question for you.
From whom have you borrowed your language??
Russians??

RighteousBilly

pre 8 godina

Squiptar, it seems that you albanians dont understand a thing! Serbia will never accept illegal occupation of Kosovo and Metohija and people of Serbia will never forget Kosovo and Metohija. As soon as you figure out that it was better. When we all lived in peace in one country-Serbia before terrorist forces pushed Albanians against their country we were all happy, but alabanians always have tendecy to join powerful empires (Ottoman, Austrian, Third Reich, NATO) fooling themselves that empires think about their interests.Americans control Kosovo and Metohija resources and Kosovo and Metohija is now mafia state that is under indirect control of Americans by controlling mafia and war criminals in Pristina. No one likes Albanians and you have to live with your neighbours, think abou it.

the actual truth

pre 8 godina

"mutual recognition of car insurance was signed", this is done between two countries and not within your own country!!! Anybody from Serb side can explain this phenomena?
(the truth, 24 June 2015 16:43)

Sure, I'd be glad to once again help you figure it out. See, car insurance isn't state-run in all cases. There are various insurance companies that operate in various countries because they have business licences to operate there. But that doesn't mean they're official state institutions. So the mutual recognition of car insurances simply means the Serbia and the territory of Kosovo agree to recognize the different insurance carriers that exist so when someone is pulled over, the police know the car is properly insured with an official carrier instead of some phantom company.

I hope this now makes sense to you. You really seemed confused, as you usually do, in your comment and I'm glad I was able to help.

Atila

pre 8 godina

Serbia built almost everything you see in Kosovo-Metohija but the mosques. Much has been stolen, but these three properties must be defended at all costs.
(Ari Gold, 24 June 2015 10:02)

Lets say your helusination is true they build everything.

They Lost the war tho victors go the spoils, France took alsas region from Germany no german says I want my investment back.

Serbia did take Vojvodina from Hungary and did not send back any infrastructure. (oh and Serbai did not win the war on its own) as I know you will say NATO helped who cares you lost the war signed Kumanovo agreement.

Cheers.

Demi

pre 8 godina

Ari gold,

First of all we Albanians will take everything in Kosova. Everything belongs to us and we will take it dont worry about that. In 20-30 years we will take over northern Kosova. Nothing will be done by force but by dialoug and investments of the local population and diaspora. Serbs cannot live with us and we cannot live with them. When we start buying in northern Kosova serbs will slowly move to their own kind in Serbia. Your birthrate is low and with time most of south Serbia will be populated by Albanians. I have information that some Albanians already have started buying property and apartaments in Nis for example.

Secondly all investments done in Kosova have been done by Kosovar taxpayers from Kosova. Serbia have not done anything but destroy Kosova and its citizens.

But your leadership already know this and are giving up on everything in Kosova piece by piece in this so called dialoug. And its doing it this way to save some face and to fool you natonalist serbs.

When the time comes for Serbia to recognize Kosova people like you Ari will not know what happend.

Shqiptar

pre 8 godina

These negotiations between Kosovo and Serbia are good for both countries. I think the faster they come to a conclusion (signed agreements) the better because rules will be in place and everyone will mind their own business.

From my (realistic) point of view as an Albanian, I don't want Serbia to have any political influence on Kosovo at all after full normalization. Serbia may see Kosovo as 4th world country (there is no such thing) or see it as part of itself (only in her heart), but as long as Serbia respects Kosovo as a country, everything will be good.

I don't know what Serbian's (realistic) point of view is exactly, but problably our realistic point of views are not very close.

I believe that using the Northern Kosovo Serbs and Presevo Valley Albanians as a start to make all Albanians and Serbs in Balkans start seeing each other as becoming slowly friends, will make future agreements easier. All I am trying to say is make small agreements and promote friendship in the same time. Then any agreement will not look bad, because Albanians and Serbs will say "Eh, it's OK, they are our friends".

Dritan Didi

pre 8 godina

Funny pic Serbian big foot Vucic, Ugly Italian Mogherini and dwarth Kosovar Isa Mustafa it makes me laugh about their looks and appearance. Hahaha This guys are really funny.

ETHNIC ALBANIA

pre 8 godina

Sorry serbia but your GAME IS OVER. History proves that SLAVS never existed in Europe before the SLAV MIGRATION which every 5th grader in Europe learns of in history class. Everybody knows that you NON EUROPEAN SLAVS migrated into Europe in the 7th century and stole lands from the Albanian Illyrians. Not the other way around. If u don't hate the Albanians stop trying to steal their lands.

kiko

pre 8 godina

I remember the former PM's saying that in 20 years time they could have a referendum to decide on the fate of Kosovo/a (same time when Montenegro was having their referendum on splitting away from Yugoslavia). It seems that over 10 years have passed. And each day you see more of Kosovo/a being recognized or being admitted into international organs.
This negotiation process is a stepping stone of easing the transition to normality. And that normality is what is currently present on the ground.
I think the people that most invested in Kosovo/a and Macedonia were Slovenia and Croatia. Read the economic funding process of the 70's and 80's and you'll see where the funds came from. The third republic would have been Serbia and decisions were made in Belgrade on distribution.
My concern is that during the communist era, not all funds reached their destination point as a lot of communists were corrupt and projects were never built with the funds allocated to the projects. So where did the money go? Hmmmm Serbs controlled a lot so who got rich off the sweat of Slovenians, Croats, and Serbs?

the truth

pre 8 godina

The statement also said that on the sidelines of the negotiating round today an agreement on mutual recognition of car insurance was signed, and that it was achieved with the support of the Council of Green Card Bureau.

I started reading the said news article and whatever Vucic was saying, I was believing him but when I reached the above paragraph, I knew Vucic is full of s..t.
"mutual recognition of car insurance was signed", this is done between two countries and not within your own country!!! Anybody from Serb side can explain this phenomena?

Joni

pre 8 godina

(Ratko, 24 June 2015 17:14)

I love Germans!
And i'm so happy that they support us, as much as they see how much we are fighting for our country. I really love them...
I totally agree with Germans, and i respect their laws.
A good friend is not who "take care" of your problems, is who make you face with your problems, and help you to overcome the problems..
***
Germany is still asking in Albania for qualified people, or newly graduate young people and gives to them to much opportunities in Germany.
I see this as a good and as a bad think in my point of view.

j

pre 8 godina

Squiptar, it seems that you albanians dont understand a thing! Serbia will never accept illegal occupation of Kosovo and Metohija and people of Serbia will never forget Kosovo and Metohija. As soon as you figure out that it was better. When we all lived in peace in one country-Serbia

-- Billy, fist of all you need to return your keyboard. It looks like yours is missing a couple of letters. That's not how you spell Shqiptar.

Second, Albanians will never forget Kosova either. The sooner you get that, the better. What you accept or not is totally up to you. It's your choice. Meanwhile we move on.

Third, when we all lived in Serbia you as a Serb lived in peace while we as Albanians lived in an apartheid society where the Serbs had all the nice, important jobs, while we had nothing. Of course you like that arrangement. What colionalist power didn't like ruling over the majority. In that sense Serbia was no different than any of the other colionalist power. I fully understand why you are so but.t.hurt. It's never easy to accept falling from absolute power. However it is this exact attitude you have know that brought your downfall. Keep it going though, irrational Serbs are our best allies.

food for thought

pre 8 godina

ummm.

everyone migrated from somewhere and pushed out the guys they found there.

or did you grow out of the ground?
(factman, 26 June 2015 02:20)
Most excellent statement, it matters not who came first to a land nor who lived on it 1000, 10,000 years we are not isolated clans, this is the 21st century and we are a global world and global economy. Issues are not based on ethnic makeup today, outside of the Balkans and the middle east.
I am from the US and my ancestors mainly came from Scotland and Austria, but I have no desires to claim those lands nor place any importance on the matter other than maybe conversation topics.
What matters today is what the people on the land make of it. Ethnic cleansing should not be tolerated in todays world whether it be Serbs against Albanians, or Albanians against Serbs or Jews against Palestinians, etc, etc.

There are a lot of evils from generations past but they should not cloud the present.

icj1

pre 8 godina

people of Serbia will never forget Kosovo and Metohija
(RighteousBilly, 25 June 2015 07:36)

Of course and nobody is asking the people of Serbia to forget anything. I'm sure that for every person in Serbia, like the rest of the people in the world, there are things which have left an impression on him/her and he/she will never forget them.

I, for example, can never forget the Oktoberfest in Munich from when I was there a couple of years ago. Even if you repeat ad nauseam that I should forget it, I won't. Therefore I plan to visit Munich again since it's not that far away :)

Right on righteous.

pre 8 godina

people of Serbia will never forget Kosovo and Metohija
(RighteousBilly, 25 June 2015 07:36
I think that is the point RighteousNilly! Serbs should never forget that just because there is a weaker people they are not able to do with them as they wish without regard to human life and dignity. There is always a bigger force watching over you and you will suffer the consequences.
A sign should be erected on the Kosovo border saying Kosovo WAS a part of Serbia and now it should be forever be a reminder that it was lost due to the atrocious abuse it cast on the Kosovo people.