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Thursday, 15.12.2016.

16:51

Nazi hunter wants EU to "explain what's going on in Croatia"

Director of the Jerusalem-based Simon Wiesenthal Center Efraim Zuroff says the current situation regarding neo-fascism in Croatia is very bad.

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tony

pre 7 godina

I just hope that all people regardless of ethnic backround, religion, race or creed cared more for the common man/women and greater good of this world. All of the suffering of the past and present....When will it all end??????????A small group of influential political elites run the world for the majority. The sad part about it if it can happen in Allepo Syria it can happen anywhere. Im not talking about some socialist dream/ utopia. I just think that enough is enough.

icj1

pre 7 godina

This issue of a phrase (not a word) that is offensive to Serbs
(Raisin Scone, 20 December 2016 11:37)

Well the thing is that Serbs are like drama queens and so sensitive to everything to the point that if people had to think whether something they are about to say might be seen as offensive by Serbs, those people would have to stop talking because Serbs are capable of interpreting everything said as a conspiracy against them!

Come on, get a life, and stop obsessing with what somebody says in another country.

icj1

pre 7 godina

"The Ustasha regime was in power in the Nazi-allied Independent State of Croatia (NDH), that existed from 1941 until 1945 and ran death camps for Serbs, Jews, and Roma, including in Jasenovac."

And the Nedic regime was in power in the Nazi-allied Serbia, that existed from 1941 until 1945 and ran death camps for Serbs, Jews, and Roma, including in Banjica. Not sure though what your point is B92!
(icj1, 18 December 2016 16:59)

the Banjica Camp was run by the SS, Nedic had no authority other than being a puppet for the Nazi's
(Jugoslavija, 19 December 2016 18:56)

Sure, and the NDH was run by the Wehrmacht, Pavelic had no authority other than being a puppet for the Nazi's.

Raisin Scone

pre 7 godina

A couple of points. This isn't a Serb bringing up the issue of Croatia. Second, why is it that these threads are dominated by the same individuals injecting Albanians and Kosovo into everything? This is a thread about the right wing rising in Croatia. Third, what Croatia did during WWII is horrific. It is well known that it even frightened the Nazis themselves! This issue of a phrase (not a word) that is offensive to Serbs is like the flying of the confederate flag is to African Americans in the US, or the swastika to Jews. Civilized people do not do such things. It is a serious issue when a country's leaders allow for this. Let's hope for an improvement soon.

Peggy

pre 7 godina

. The Serbian government and people should make that perfectly clear as the checkerboard was abused by the Ustasa.
=========================
And the swastika was abused by the Nazis so it had to go forever.
It's time that symbol on the Croatian flag was gone too.

icj1

pre 7 godina

I am mixed Serbian and Jewish from Kosovo. The Germans and Albanians killed many of my relatives in Kosovo during WW2.

Just knowing this alone is enough to know what is going on with Kosovo today.
(Rachel, 18 December 2016 06:01)

Dear, that is total nonsense because it is impossible to know what goes on with Kosovo today based on who allegedly killed many of your relatives more than 70 years ago. In case you were not aware, WW2 ended in 1945!
(icj1, 18 December 2016 17:06)

Rachel stated that based on what occurred to her family during WW2 she understands Albo mentality in Kosovo today.
(sj, 19 December 2016 12:37)

Exactly, which is why what Rachel wrote is total nonsense because WW2 ended in 1945. It's so great that even the CE of B92 forums sj confirms that.

P.S. CE = Chief Economist

Jugoslavija

pre 7 godina

And the Nedic regime was in power in the Nazi-allied Serbia, that existed from 1941 until 1945 and ran death camps for Serbs, Jews, and Roma, including in Banjica. Not sure though what your point is B92!
(icj1, 18 December 2016 16:59

Wrong, the Banjica Camp was run by the SS, Nedic had no authority other than being a puppet for the Nazi's. In contract, Croatia had full control of all camps and fought along side Nazi Germany. Croatian blood is strewn acros Russia fighting for the Nazi's.

Reader

pre 7 godina

" Even though he doesn't speak the language, he has his connections in Belgrade to know what's going on right next door."
(Rachel, 18 December 2016 06:01)

Yes, we know he gets his news about Croatia from Belgrade. He is a tool of the fools in Belgrade.

"Like how my grandma used to say it was, minus the Albanians."
(Rachel, 18 December 2016 06:01)

"Minus the Albanians"? What a lovely grandma :).

sj

pre 7 godina

Dear, that is total nonsense because it is impossible to know what goes on with Kosovo today based on who allegedly killed many of your relatives more than 70 years ago. In case you were not aware, WW2 ended in 1945!
(icj1, 18 December 2016 17:06)


Rachel stated that based on what occurred to her family during WW2 she understands Albo mentality in Kosovo today. Are you naturally stupid or just plain dumb, or perhaps English not being your first language the message is not sinking in?

icj1

pre 7 godina

I am mixed Serbian and Jewish from Kosovo. The Germans and Albanians killed many of my relatives in Kosovo during WW2.

Just knowing this alone is enough to know what is going on with Kosovo today.
(Rachel, 18 December 2016 06:01)

Dear, that is total nonsense because it is impossible to know what goes on with Kosovo today based on who allegedly killed many of your relatives more than 70 years ago. In case you were not aware, WW2 ended in 1945!

icj1

pre 7 godina

"The Ustasha regime was in power in the Nazi-allied Independent State of Croatia (NDH), that existed from 1941 until 1945 and ran death camps for Serbs, Jews, and Roma, including in Jasenovac."

And the Nedic regime was in power in the Nazi-allied Serbia, that existed from 1941 until 1945 and ran death camps for Serbs, Jews, and Roma, including in Banjica. Not sure though what your point is B92!

Rachel

pre 7 godina

Zuroff is right. Even though he doesn't speak the language, he has his connections in Belgrade to know what's going on right next door.

I am mixed Serbian and Jewish from Kosovo. The Germans and Albanians killed many of my relatives in Kosovo during WW2. The ones who survived left to different places. Just knowing this alone is enough to know what is going on with Kosovo today. I wish it was Serbian again, at least they were open and civilized. Like how my grandma used to say it was, minus the Albanians.

john

pre 7 godina

Ante Pavelic and the Ustase fought for an Independant Croatian homeland. Ante Pavelic and the Ustase were Croatian patriots who loved the Croatia. During World War 2 Croatia fought a war of survival against two genocidal mass murdering terrorist enemies that wanted to destroy Croatia. Titos communist partisans and the Serbian Cetniks goal was to wipe Croatia off the map. Ante Pavelic fought bravely against the odds to acieve an Independant Croatian State.
The people that hate Croatia ie Croatian communists and Serbian cetniks and lie all they want. These same people that hate Croatia have a history of genocide and mass murder against the Croatian people. Croatia has had an interesting, complex, long and turbulent history. Dont believe distorted history and lies written by Croatias enemies.

Justin

pre 7 godina

Zuroff is completely off-base. President Kolinda Grabar-Kitarovic has never posed with an Ustasa flag. He really needs to check his facts as he continues to embarrass himself with his multiple mistakes.

azir

pre 7 godina

The real question is what is going on in Serbia and Israel?

Serbia continues to demand of others what it self refuses to give ex. Municipality of .....

Israel arming Serb-nazi terrorists during the 1990's serb killing spree. ...

How many guns and bombs did the Jews give you in Bosnia?

Shame on these hypocrites although Albanians saved every single Jew during the Holecaust.

Croatia must do what is right and demand Serb War Restitution.

Erich

pre 7 godina

I must admit I despair at nationalism and its adherents.I travel to the Balkans and am at a loss how people who come to London from Serb,Croat,and Muslim Slav backgrounds can get along perfectly fine drink together and indeed marry each other. Yet as soon as they return to their so called countries, which are in reality banana republics they start to hate each other just to be part of the crowd.Well it is time to stand alone in the crowd otherwise cowardice, prejudice will lead to an early grave.

njegos

pre 7 godina

Where is Lenny the Loser? Wasn't it him that posted recently that Israel and the Jews love Croatia and Croatians? I guess the foremost authority in the world on crimes committed against Jews during WWII has a different opinion. Lenny the Loser and others Croat apologists on this site like icj, azir, Dwight, etc. need to start viewing Balkan history through the lens of reality.

Jugoslavija

pre 7 godina

Nice job rewriting history, it's more than a little stretch to call that the Ustaša flag, when it was Croatia's official flag until 1991. This fake news needs to stop.
(Karlito, 16 December 2016 12:17)

This is from lack of learning and history especially from Tito and his Communist apparatchik. The checkerboard has been a Croatian symbol since the Slavs moved to the European southeastern peninsula. It was the symbol under Bosnian King Tvrtko, under the Austro-Hungarian empire and it was the symbol under the first kingdom of the Serbs, Croats and Slovenes. The Serbian government and people should make that perfectly clear as the checkerboard was abused by the Ustasa. The Ustasa and Pavelic added the "U" to the checkerboard. The "U" is the equivalent to the Nazi Swastika.

Karlito

pre 7 godina

Nice job rewriting history, it's more than a little stretch to call that the Ustaša flag, when it was Croatia's official flag until 1991. This fake news needs to stop.

bobby

pre 7 godina

How the hell was Croatia excepted in EU with this attitude.Just shows you how desperate EU really is, they will take anyone.And did Croatia pay for their war crimes if not Serbia should start suing before they join the EU.Good luck Serbia you too can join the sinking ship.

Propaganda

pre 7 godina

Guys Croats and Serbs were used as puppets throughout history and nothing is changing. The external powers play Croats and Serbs like an instrument, pinning them against each other...they are plotting for another war...Americans pretend to be Croats friends and Russia pretends to be Serbia's friend...all they want is war and political control and Serbs and Croats easily give them this power because they are stupid and fighting each other instead of opening their eyes! Serbs and Croats don't need to have the best relations, but both cultures are super intelligent yet too stupid to see the truth! Wake up! Serbs blame Croats for their problems, Croats blame Serbs...and everyone else just sits back, laughs and continues to puppeteer both nations and all other nations in the Balkans! Again I say wake up and open your eyes!

Dragoljub Djurkovic

pre 7 godina

Yes croatia is huffing and puffing, who can blame them? Croatia with the full backing of USA, England Germany, Roman Catholic Empire, Vatican! Now what about Srbija, who is backing Slavic Eastern Orthodox Christianity in the Balkans? What are Serbian cival leaders doing to protect Serbian people and Srbija? So who is backing Srbija today, why are Serbian politicians distancing them selves from Dear Mother Russia???

Tony (a Brit currently working in Berlin)

pre 7 godina

The EU is doing nothing to stop Croatian Nazis because Berlin is protecting them. Nothing changes.

lugenpresse

pre 7 godina

when the liar Zuroff can explain how it's possible that Yugoslavia's population actually increased ( according to serbian & yugoslav) figures by almost 100,000 between 1941 and 1947, we will explain to him those pesky little plaques in Jasenovac...

Sieg Fail

pre 7 godina

what about blieburg were thousand of croats were killed when handed over to the allies no jew brings that up
(sam buterin, 15 December 2016 21:52)

Because it's a mass grave full of Ustashe, you nitwit. Za dom spremni is as racist and as intentionally provocative as the "Sieg Heil" salute your Stormfront friends use.

words: just words: a collection of scribbles arranged in a pleasing auditory manner

pre 7 godina

sam buterin

only a word?
it seems to me that a whole lot of croatia became insensed when seslj just said a word. he was even brought up on charges of war crimes, for saying just a word.
it is not just a word unless speaker and listener both agree that it is just a word. if one or the other takes offense, the word has power and meaning beyond being just anything, let alone just a word.
a swastika is just a handful of lines, yet it, just being black lines on a white background evoke a tremendous emotional response, one orders of magnitude more than the handful of lines on a piece of paper, in most cases. their all just lines, they're all just symbols, they're all just words, until they evoke fear, until they embolden hatred, until they encourage someone to go beyond just words. humans hear just words, and bind meaning, emotion and understanding to those words.
the word chetnik was a choice word for you to use. why did you pick that word, when a multitude of other words would have been sufficient to get your point across. you chose a word, a specific word to evoke a specific emotion, from within or external. the word ustashe is similar in nature, as is the word nazi. when those words are simply throw around do you yourself not take these words as just words.
please don't talk out of both sides of your face. if you know words have power, then don't pretend the words you like don't and the ones you dislike do. they all carry power with them.

sam buterin

pre 7 godina

What a total lot of garbage , isnt it the same in serbia with the chetniks , what about blieburg were thousand of croats were killed when handed over to the allies no jew brings that up let alone serb yes there were and still are atrocities committed all over the world wake up and smell the roses people political problems instigating problems , za dom spremni is only a word stop sensationilsing the issue

Sieg Fail

pre 7 godina

What's "going on" in Croatia is quite simple. The fascists have taken control of Croatia's government mind, body, and soul to the point that no politician in the country can expect to get ahead without paying lip service to xenophobia and claiming that war crimes committed in the 1990s was done in defense of the national interest. I've been to Croatia multiple times and I can say without a shred of doubt that nationalistic slogans and songs from the NDH are not only tolerated but quietly promoted by people in power in some warped distortion of national pride. This means that Croats are either woefully ignorant of their own history, or they're just plain stupid. No other way to say it.

Sreten

pre 7 godina

Something is going on in Croatia?
All of the sudden?
I can't see anything that we haven't been seeing for a long, long time. Now he can go back to sleep...

Jugoslavija

pre 7 godina

Croatian Ustasa fascism has been reborn with Tudjman and now Kolinda. No Serbian chocolate will turn into "No Serbs, Dogs or Jews" as it was under the Pavelic regime throughout Croatia. The US protected the Ustasa including the real Butcher of the Balkans Artukovic who lived in the US until finally extradited to Yugoslavia in his 80's. The United States allowed the Vatican Ratlines to operate under Croatian Franciscan Dragonovic helping Croatian and German Nazi's to escape to Argentina. Those same Ustasa were allowed back into Croatia to revive the Nazi movement which has taken hold in Croatia. The dirty Croatian Nazi rats now rule in Croatia.

Sieg Fail

pre 7 godina

What's "going on" in Croatia is quite simple. The fascists have taken control of Croatia's government mind, body, and soul to the point that no politician in the country can expect to get ahead without paying lip service to xenophobia and claiming that war crimes committed in the 1990s was done in defense of the national interest. I've been to Croatia multiple times and I can say without a shred of doubt that nationalistic slogans and songs from the NDH are not only tolerated but quietly promoted by people in power in some warped distortion of national pride. This means that Croats are either woefully ignorant of their own history, or they're just plain stupid. No other way to say it.

Jugoslavija

pre 7 godina

Croatian Ustasa fascism has been reborn with Tudjman and now Kolinda. No Serbian chocolate will turn into "No Serbs, Dogs or Jews" as it was under the Pavelic regime throughout Croatia. The US protected the Ustasa including the real Butcher of the Balkans Artukovic who lived in the US until finally extradited to Yugoslavia in his 80's. The United States allowed the Vatican Ratlines to operate under Croatian Franciscan Dragonovic helping Croatian and German Nazi's to escape to Argentina. Those same Ustasa were allowed back into Croatia to revive the Nazi movement which has taken hold in Croatia. The dirty Croatian Nazi rats now rule in Croatia.

Sieg Fail

pre 7 godina

what about blieburg were thousand of croats were killed when handed over to the allies no jew brings that up
(sam buterin, 15 December 2016 21:52)

Because it's a mass grave full of Ustashe, you nitwit. Za dom spremni is as racist and as intentionally provocative as the "Sieg Heil" salute your Stormfront friends use.

bobby

pre 7 godina

How the hell was Croatia excepted in EU with this attitude.Just shows you how desperate EU really is, they will take anyone.And did Croatia pay for their war crimes if not Serbia should start suing before they join the EU.Good luck Serbia you too can join the sinking ship.

Sreten

pre 7 godina

Something is going on in Croatia?
All of the sudden?
I can't see anything that we haven't been seeing for a long, long time. Now he can go back to sleep...

Tony (a Brit currently working in Berlin)

pre 7 godina

The EU is doing nothing to stop Croatian Nazis because Berlin is protecting them. Nothing changes.

Propaganda

pre 7 godina

Guys Croats and Serbs were used as puppets throughout history and nothing is changing. The external powers play Croats and Serbs like an instrument, pinning them against each other...they are plotting for another war...Americans pretend to be Croats friends and Russia pretends to be Serbia's friend...all they want is war and political control and Serbs and Croats easily give them this power because they are stupid and fighting each other instead of opening their eyes! Serbs and Croats don't need to have the best relations, but both cultures are super intelligent yet too stupid to see the truth! Wake up! Serbs blame Croats for their problems, Croats blame Serbs...and everyone else just sits back, laughs and continues to puppeteer both nations and all other nations in the Balkans! Again I say wake up and open your eyes!

Rachel

pre 7 godina

Zuroff is right. Even though he doesn't speak the language, he has his connections in Belgrade to know what's going on right next door.

I am mixed Serbian and Jewish from Kosovo. The Germans and Albanians killed many of my relatives in Kosovo during WW2. The ones who survived left to different places. Just knowing this alone is enough to know what is going on with Kosovo today. I wish it was Serbian again, at least they were open and civilized. Like how my grandma used to say it was, minus the Albanians.

Jugoslavija

pre 7 godina

Nice job rewriting history, it's more than a little stretch to call that the Ustaša flag, when it was Croatia's official flag until 1991. This fake news needs to stop.
(Karlito, 16 December 2016 12:17)

This is from lack of learning and history especially from Tito and his Communist apparatchik. The checkerboard has been a Croatian symbol since the Slavs moved to the European southeastern peninsula. It was the symbol under Bosnian King Tvrtko, under the Austro-Hungarian empire and it was the symbol under the first kingdom of the Serbs, Croats and Slovenes. The Serbian government and people should make that perfectly clear as the checkerboard was abused by the Ustasa. The Ustasa and Pavelic added the "U" to the checkerboard. The "U" is the equivalent to the Nazi Swastika.

words: just words: a collection of scribbles arranged in a pleasing auditory manner

pre 7 godina

sam buterin

only a word?
it seems to me that a whole lot of croatia became insensed when seslj just said a word. he was even brought up on charges of war crimes, for saying just a word.
it is not just a word unless speaker and listener both agree that it is just a word. if one or the other takes offense, the word has power and meaning beyond being just anything, let alone just a word.
a swastika is just a handful of lines, yet it, just being black lines on a white background evoke a tremendous emotional response, one orders of magnitude more than the handful of lines on a piece of paper, in most cases. their all just lines, they're all just symbols, they're all just words, until they evoke fear, until they embolden hatred, until they encourage someone to go beyond just words. humans hear just words, and bind meaning, emotion and understanding to those words.
the word chetnik was a choice word for you to use. why did you pick that word, when a multitude of other words would have been sufficient to get your point across. you chose a word, a specific word to evoke a specific emotion, from within or external. the word ustashe is similar in nature, as is the word nazi. when those words are simply throw around do you yourself not take these words as just words.
please don't talk out of both sides of your face. if you know words have power, then don't pretend the words you like don't and the ones you dislike do. they all carry power with them.

Dragoljub Djurkovic

pre 7 godina

Yes croatia is huffing and puffing, who can blame them? Croatia with the full backing of USA, England Germany, Roman Catholic Empire, Vatican! Now what about Srbija, who is backing Slavic Eastern Orthodox Christianity in the Balkans? What are Serbian cival leaders doing to protect Serbian people and Srbija? So who is backing Srbija today, why are Serbian politicians distancing them selves from Dear Mother Russia???

njegos

pre 7 godina

Where is Lenny the Loser? Wasn't it him that posted recently that Israel and the Jews love Croatia and Croatians? I guess the foremost authority in the world on crimes committed against Jews during WWII has a different opinion. Lenny the Loser and others Croat apologists on this site like icj, azir, Dwight, etc. need to start viewing Balkan history through the lens of reality.

john

pre 7 godina

Ante Pavelic and the Ustase fought for an Independant Croatian homeland. Ante Pavelic and the Ustase were Croatian patriots who loved the Croatia. During World War 2 Croatia fought a war of survival against two genocidal mass murdering terrorist enemies that wanted to destroy Croatia. Titos communist partisans and the Serbian Cetniks goal was to wipe Croatia off the map. Ante Pavelic fought bravely against the odds to acieve an Independant Croatian State.
The people that hate Croatia ie Croatian communists and Serbian cetniks and lie all they want. These same people that hate Croatia have a history of genocide and mass murder against the Croatian people. Croatia has had an interesting, complex, long and turbulent history. Dont believe distorted history and lies written by Croatias enemies.

Erich

pre 7 godina

I must admit I despair at nationalism and its adherents.I travel to the Balkans and am at a loss how people who come to London from Serb,Croat,and Muslim Slav backgrounds can get along perfectly fine drink together and indeed marry each other. Yet as soon as they return to their so called countries, which are in reality banana republics they start to hate each other just to be part of the crowd.Well it is time to stand alone in the crowd otherwise cowardice, prejudice will lead to an early grave.

azir

pre 7 godina

The real question is what is going on in Serbia and Israel?

Serbia continues to demand of others what it self refuses to give ex. Municipality of .....

Israel arming Serb-nazi terrorists during the 1990's serb killing spree. ...

How many guns and bombs did the Jews give you in Bosnia?

Shame on these hypocrites although Albanians saved every single Jew during the Holecaust.

Croatia must do what is right and demand Serb War Restitution.

Justin

pre 7 godina

Zuroff is completely off-base. President Kolinda Grabar-Kitarovic has never posed with an Ustasa flag. He really needs to check his facts as he continues to embarrass himself with his multiple mistakes.

sam buterin

pre 7 godina

What a total lot of garbage , isnt it the same in serbia with the chetniks , what about blieburg were thousand of croats were killed when handed over to the allies no jew brings that up let alone serb yes there were and still are atrocities committed all over the world wake up and smell the roses people political problems instigating problems , za dom spremni is only a word stop sensationilsing the issue

lugenpresse

pre 7 godina

when the liar Zuroff can explain how it's possible that Yugoslavia's population actually increased ( according to serbian & yugoslav) figures by almost 100,000 between 1941 and 1947, we will explain to him those pesky little plaques in Jasenovac...

sj

pre 7 godina

Dear, that is total nonsense because it is impossible to know what goes on with Kosovo today based on who allegedly killed many of your relatives more than 70 years ago. In case you were not aware, WW2 ended in 1945!
(icj1, 18 December 2016 17:06)


Rachel stated that based on what occurred to her family during WW2 she understands Albo mentality in Kosovo today. Are you naturally stupid or just plain dumb, or perhaps English not being your first language the message is not sinking in?

Peggy

pre 7 godina

. The Serbian government and people should make that perfectly clear as the checkerboard was abused by the Ustasa.
=========================
And the swastika was abused by the Nazis so it had to go forever.
It's time that symbol on the Croatian flag was gone too.

Raisin Scone

pre 7 godina

A couple of points. This isn't a Serb bringing up the issue of Croatia. Second, why is it that these threads are dominated by the same individuals injecting Albanians and Kosovo into everything? This is a thread about the right wing rising in Croatia. Third, what Croatia did during WWII is horrific. It is well known that it even frightened the Nazis themselves! This issue of a phrase (not a word) that is offensive to Serbs is like the flying of the confederate flag is to African Americans in the US, or the swastika to Jews. Civilized people do not do such things. It is a serious issue when a country's leaders allow for this. Let's hope for an improvement soon.

Karlito

pre 7 godina

Nice job rewriting history, it's more than a little stretch to call that the Ustaša flag, when it was Croatia's official flag until 1991. This fake news needs to stop.

Jugoslavija

pre 7 godina

And the Nedic regime was in power in the Nazi-allied Serbia, that existed from 1941 until 1945 and ran death camps for Serbs, Jews, and Roma, including in Banjica. Not sure though what your point is B92!
(icj1, 18 December 2016 16:59

Wrong, the Banjica Camp was run by the SS, Nedic had no authority other than being a puppet for the Nazi's. In contract, Croatia had full control of all camps and fought along side Nazi Germany. Croatian blood is strewn acros Russia fighting for the Nazi's.

icj1

pre 7 godina

I am mixed Serbian and Jewish from Kosovo. The Germans and Albanians killed many of my relatives in Kosovo during WW2.

Just knowing this alone is enough to know what is going on with Kosovo today.
(Rachel, 18 December 2016 06:01)

Dear, that is total nonsense because it is impossible to know what goes on with Kosovo today based on who allegedly killed many of your relatives more than 70 years ago. In case you were not aware, WW2 ended in 1945!
(icj1, 18 December 2016 17:06)

Rachel stated that based on what occurred to her family during WW2 she understands Albo mentality in Kosovo today.
(sj, 19 December 2016 12:37)

Exactly, which is why what Rachel wrote is total nonsense because WW2 ended in 1945. It's so great that even the CE of B92 forums sj confirms that.

P.S. CE = Chief Economist

icj1

pre 7 godina

"The Ustasha regime was in power in the Nazi-allied Independent State of Croatia (NDH), that existed from 1941 until 1945 and ran death camps for Serbs, Jews, and Roma, including in Jasenovac."

And the Nedic regime was in power in the Nazi-allied Serbia, that existed from 1941 until 1945 and ran death camps for Serbs, Jews, and Roma, including in Banjica. Not sure though what your point is B92!

icj1

pre 7 godina

I am mixed Serbian and Jewish from Kosovo. The Germans and Albanians killed many of my relatives in Kosovo during WW2.

Just knowing this alone is enough to know what is going on with Kosovo today.
(Rachel, 18 December 2016 06:01)

Dear, that is total nonsense because it is impossible to know what goes on with Kosovo today based on who allegedly killed many of your relatives more than 70 years ago. In case you were not aware, WW2 ended in 1945!

icj1

pre 7 godina

This issue of a phrase (not a word) that is offensive to Serbs
(Raisin Scone, 20 December 2016 11:37)

Well the thing is that Serbs are like drama queens and so sensitive to everything to the point that if people had to think whether something they are about to say might be seen as offensive by Serbs, those people would have to stop talking because Serbs are capable of interpreting everything said as a conspiracy against them!

Come on, get a life, and stop obsessing with what somebody says in another country.

icj1

pre 7 godina

"The Ustasha regime was in power in the Nazi-allied Independent State of Croatia (NDH), that existed from 1941 until 1945 and ran death camps for Serbs, Jews, and Roma, including in Jasenovac."

And the Nedic regime was in power in the Nazi-allied Serbia, that existed from 1941 until 1945 and ran death camps for Serbs, Jews, and Roma, including in Banjica. Not sure though what your point is B92!
(icj1, 18 December 2016 16:59)

the Banjica Camp was run by the SS, Nedic had no authority other than being a puppet for the Nazi's
(Jugoslavija, 19 December 2016 18:56)

Sure, and the NDH was run by the Wehrmacht, Pavelic had no authority other than being a puppet for the Nazi's.

Reader

pre 7 godina

" Even though he doesn't speak the language, he has his connections in Belgrade to know what's going on right next door."
(Rachel, 18 December 2016 06:01)

Yes, we know he gets his news about Croatia from Belgrade. He is a tool of the fools in Belgrade.

"Like how my grandma used to say it was, minus the Albanians."
(Rachel, 18 December 2016 06:01)

"Minus the Albanians"? What a lovely grandma :).

tony

pre 7 godina

I just hope that all people regardless of ethnic backround, religion, race or creed cared more for the common man/women and greater good of this world. All of the suffering of the past and present....When will it all end??????????A small group of influential political elites run the world for the majority. The sad part about it if it can happen in Allepo Syria it can happen anywhere. Im not talking about some socialist dream/ utopia. I just think that enough is enough.

sam buterin

pre 7 godina

What a total lot of garbage , isnt it the same in serbia with the chetniks , what about blieburg were thousand of croats were killed when handed over to the allies no jew brings that up let alone serb yes there were and still are atrocities committed all over the world wake up and smell the roses people political problems instigating problems , za dom spremni is only a word stop sensationilsing the issue

lugenpresse

pre 7 godina

when the liar Zuroff can explain how it's possible that Yugoslavia's population actually increased ( according to serbian & yugoslav) figures by almost 100,000 between 1941 and 1947, we will explain to him those pesky little plaques in Jasenovac...

john

pre 7 godina

Ante Pavelic and the Ustase fought for an Independant Croatian homeland. Ante Pavelic and the Ustase were Croatian patriots who loved the Croatia. During World War 2 Croatia fought a war of survival against two genocidal mass murdering terrorist enemies that wanted to destroy Croatia. Titos communist partisans and the Serbian Cetniks goal was to wipe Croatia off the map. Ante Pavelic fought bravely against the odds to acieve an Independant Croatian State.
The people that hate Croatia ie Croatian communists and Serbian cetniks and lie all they want. These same people that hate Croatia have a history of genocide and mass murder against the Croatian people. Croatia has had an interesting, complex, long and turbulent history. Dont believe distorted history and lies written by Croatias enemies.

azir

pre 7 godina

The real question is what is going on in Serbia and Israel?

Serbia continues to demand of others what it self refuses to give ex. Municipality of .....

Israel arming Serb-nazi terrorists during the 1990's serb killing spree. ...

How many guns and bombs did the Jews give you in Bosnia?

Shame on these hypocrites although Albanians saved every single Jew during the Holecaust.

Croatia must do what is right and demand Serb War Restitution.

Karlito

pre 7 godina

Nice job rewriting history, it's more than a little stretch to call that the Ustaša flag, when it was Croatia's official flag until 1991. This fake news needs to stop.

Justin

pre 7 godina

Zuroff is completely off-base. President Kolinda Grabar-Kitarovic has never posed with an Ustasa flag. He really needs to check his facts as he continues to embarrass himself with his multiple mistakes.

Jugoslavija

pre 7 godina

Croatian Ustasa fascism has been reborn with Tudjman and now Kolinda. No Serbian chocolate will turn into "No Serbs, Dogs or Jews" as it was under the Pavelic regime throughout Croatia. The US protected the Ustasa including the real Butcher of the Balkans Artukovic who lived in the US until finally extradited to Yugoslavia in his 80's. The United States allowed the Vatican Ratlines to operate under Croatian Franciscan Dragonovic helping Croatian and German Nazi's to escape to Argentina. Those same Ustasa were allowed back into Croatia to revive the Nazi movement which has taken hold in Croatia. The dirty Croatian Nazi rats now rule in Croatia.

Sieg Fail

pre 7 godina

what about blieburg were thousand of croats were killed when handed over to the allies no jew brings that up
(sam buterin, 15 December 2016 21:52)

Because it's a mass grave full of Ustashe, you nitwit. Za dom spremni is as racist and as intentionally provocative as the "Sieg Heil" salute your Stormfront friends use.

Sieg Fail

pre 7 godina

What's "going on" in Croatia is quite simple. The fascists have taken control of Croatia's government mind, body, and soul to the point that no politician in the country can expect to get ahead without paying lip service to xenophobia and claiming that war crimes committed in the 1990s was done in defense of the national interest. I've been to Croatia multiple times and I can say without a shred of doubt that nationalistic slogans and songs from the NDH are not only tolerated but quietly promoted by people in power in some warped distortion of national pride. This means that Croats are either woefully ignorant of their own history, or they're just plain stupid. No other way to say it.

Tony (a Brit currently working in Berlin)

pre 7 godina

The EU is doing nothing to stop Croatian Nazis because Berlin is protecting them. Nothing changes.

njegos

pre 7 godina

Where is Lenny the Loser? Wasn't it him that posted recently that Israel and the Jews love Croatia and Croatians? I guess the foremost authority in the world on crimes committed against Jews during WWII has a different opinion. Lenny the Loser and others Croat apologists on this site like icj, azir, Dwight, etc. need to start viewing Balkan history through the lens of reality.

icj1

pre 7 godina

"The Ustasha regime was in power in the Nazi-allied Independent State of Croatia (NDH), that existed from 1941 until 1945 and ran death camps for Serbs, Jews, and Roma, including in Jasenovac."

And the Nedic regime was in power in the Nazi-allied Serbia, that existed from 1941 until 1945 and ran death camps for Serbs, Jews, and Roma, including in Banjica. Not sure though what your point is B92!

icj1

pre 7 godina

I am mixed Serbian and Jewish from Kosovo. The Germans and Albanians killed many of my relatives in Kosovo during WW2.

Just knowing this alone is enough to know what is going on with Kosovo today.
(Rachel, 18 December 2016 06:01)

Dear, that is total nonsense because it is impossible to know what goes on with Kosovo today based on who allegedly killed many of your relatives more than 70 years ago. In case you were not aware, WW2 ended in 1945!

icj1

pre 7 godina

I am mixed Serbian and Jewish from Kosovo. The Germans and Albanians killed many of my relatives in Kosovo during WW2.

Just knowing this alone is enough to know what is going on with Kosovo today.
(Rachel, 18 December 2016 06:01)

Dear, that is total nonsense because it is impossible to know what goes on with Kosovo today based on who allegedly killed many of your relatives more than 70 years ago. In case you were not aware, WW2 ended in 1945!
(icj1, 18 December 2016 17:06)

Rachel stated that based on what occurred to her family during WW2 she understands Albo mentality in Kosovo today.
(sj, 19 December 2016 12:37)

Exactly, which is why what Rachel wrote is total nonsense because WW2 ended in 1945. It's so great that even the CE of B92 forums sj confirms that.

P.S. CE = Chief Economist

icj1

pre 7 godina

This issue of a phrase (not a word) that is offensive to Serbs
(Raisin Scone, 20 December 2016 11:37)

Well the thing is that Serbs are like drama queens and so sensitive to everything to the point that if people had to think whether something they are about to say might be seen as offensive by Serbs, those people would have to stop talking because Serbs are capable of interpreting everything said as a conspiracy against them!

Come on, get a life, and stop obsessing with what somebody says in another country.

Sreten

pre 7 godina

Something is going on in Croatia?
All of the sudden?
I can't see anything that we haven't been seeing for a long, long time. Now he can go back to sleep...

Dragoljub Djurkovic

pre 7 godina

Yes croatia is huffing and puffing, who can blame them? Croatia with the full backing of USA, England Germany, Roman Catholic Empire, Vatican! Now what about Srbija, who is backing Slavic Eastern Orthodox Christianity in the Balkans? What are Serbian cival leaders doing to protect Serbian people and Srbija? So who is backing Srbija today, why are Serbian politicians distancing them selves from Dear Mother Russia???

Erich

pre 7 godina

I must admit I despair at nationalism and its adherents.I travel to the Balkans and am at a loss how people who come to London from Serb,Croat,and Muslim Slav backgrounds can get along perfectly fine drink together and indeed marry each other. Yet as soon as they return to their so called countries, which are in reality banana republics they start to hate each other just to be part of the crowd.Well it is time to stand alone in the crowd otherwise cowardice, prejudice will lead to an early grave.

Rachel

pre 7 godina

Zuroff is right. Even though he doesn't speak the language, he has his connections in Belgrade to know what's going on right next door.

I am mixed Serbian and Jewish from Kosovo. The Germans and Albanians killed many of my relatives in Kosovo during WW2. The ones who survived left to different places. Just knowing this alone is enough to know what is going on with Kosovo today. I wish it was Serbian again, at least they were open and civilized. Like how my grandma used to say it was, minus the Albanians.

bobby

pre 7 godina

How the hell was Croatia excepted in EU with this attitude.Just shows you how desperate EU really is, they will take anyone.And did Croatia pay for their war crimes if not Serbia should start suing before they join the EU.Good luck Serbia you too can join the sinking ship.

icj1

pre 7 godina

"The Ustasha regime was in power in the Nazi-allied Independent State of Croatia (NDH), that existed from 1941 until 1945 and ran death camps for Serbs, Jews, and Roma, including in Jasenovac."

And the Nedic regime was in power in the Nazi-allied Serbia, that existed from 1941 until 1945 and ran death camps for Serbs, Jews, and Roma, including in Banjica. Not sure though what your point is B92!
(icj1, 18 December 2016 16:59)

the Banjica Camp was run by the SS, Nedic had no authority other than being a puppet for the Nazi's
(Jugoslavija, 19 December 2016 18:56)

Sure, and the NDH was run by the Wehrmacht, Pavelic had no authority other than being a puppet for the Nazi's.

Propaganda

pre 7 godina

Guys Croats and Serbs were used as puppets throughout history and nothing is changing. The external powers play Croats and Serbs like an instrument, pinning them against each other...they are plotting for another war...Americans pretend to be Croats friends and Russia pretends to be Serbia's friend...all they want is war and political control and Serbs and Croats easily give them this power because they are stupid and fighting each other instead of opening their eyes! Serbs and Croats don't need to have the best relations, but both cultures are super intelligent yet too stupid to see the truth! Wake up! Serbs blame Croats for their problems, Croats blame Serbs...and everyone else just sits back, laughs and continues to puppeteer both nations and all other nations in the Balkans! Again I say wake up and open your eyes!

Jugoslavija

pre 7 godina

Nice job rewriting history, it's more than a little stretch to call that the Ustaša flag, when it was Croatia's official flag until 1991. This fake news needs to stop.
(Karlito, 16 December 2016 12:17)

This is from lack of learning and history especially from Tito and his Communist apparatchik. The checkerboard has been a Croatian symbol since the Slavs moved to the European southeastern peninsula. It was the symbol under Bosnian King Tvrtko, under the Austro-Hungarian empire and it was the symbol under the first kingdom of the Serbs, Croats and Slovenes. The Serbian government and people should make that perfectly clear as the checkerboard was abused by the Ustasa. The Ustasa and Pavelic added the "U" to the checkerboard. The "U" is the equivalent to the Nazi Swastika.

Peggy

pre 7 godina

. The Serbian government and people should make that perfectly clear as the checkerboard was abused by the Ustasa.
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And the swastika was abused by the Nazis so it had to go forever.
It's time that symbol on the Croatian flag was gone too.

sj

pre 7 godina

Dear, that is total nonsense because it is impossible to know what goes on with Kosovo today based on who allegedly killed many of your relatives more than 70 years ago. In case you were not aware, WW2 ended in 1945!
(icj1, 18 December 2016 17:06)


Rachel stated that based on what occurred to her family during WW2 she understands Albo mentality in Kosovo today. Are you naturally stupid or just plain dumb, or perhaps English not being your first language the message is not sinking in?

Reader

pre 7 godina

" Even though he doesn't speak the language, he has his connections in Belgrade to know what's going on right next door."
(Rachel, 18 December 2016 06:01)

Yes, we know he gets his news about Croatia from Belgrade. He is a tool of the fools in Belgrade.

"Like how my grandma used to say it was, minus the Albanians."
(Rachel, 18 December 2016 06:01)

"Minus the Albanians"? What a lovely grandma :).

Jugoslavija

pre 7 godina

And the Nedic regime was in power in the Nazi-allied Serbia, that existed from 1941 until 1945 and ran death camps for Serbs, Jews, and Roma, including in Banjica. Not sure though what your point is B92!
(icj1, 18 December 2016 16:59

Wrong, the Banjica Camp was run by the SS, Nedic had no authority other than being a puppet for the Nazi's. In contract, Croatia had full control of all camps and fought along side Nazi Germany. Croatian blood is strewn acros Russia fighting for the Nazi's.

Raisin Scone

pre 7 godina

A couple of points. This isn't a Serb bringing up the issue of Croatia. Second, why is it that these threads are dominated by the same individuals injecting Albanians and Kosovo into everything? This is a thread about the right wing rising in Croatia. Third, what Croatia did during WWII is horrific. It is well known that it even frightened the Nazis themselves! This issue of a phrase (not a word) that is offensive to Serbs is like the flying of the confederate flag is to African Americans in the US, or the swastika to Jews. Civilized people do not do such things. It is a serious issue when a country's leaders allow for this. Let's hope for an improvement soon.

words: just words: a collection of scribbles arranged in a pleasing auditory manner

pre 7 godina

sam buterin

only a word?
it seems to me that a whole lot of croatia became insensed when seslj just said a word. he was even brought up on charges of war crimes, for saying just a word.
it is not just a word unless speaker and listener both agree that it is just a word. if one or the other takes offense, the word has power and meaning beyond being just anything, let alone just a word.
a swastika is just a handful of lines, yet it, just being black lines on a white background evoke a tremendous emotional response, one orders of magnitude more than the handful of lines on a piece of paper, in most cases. their all just lines, they're all just symbols, they're all just words, until they evoke fear, until they embolden hatred, until they encourage someone to go beyond just words. humans hear just words, and bind meaning, emotion and understanding to those words.
the word chetnik was a choice word for you to use. why did you pick that word, when a multitude of other words would have been sufficient to get your point across. you chose a word, a specific word to evoke a specific emotion, from within or external. the word ustashe is similar in nature, as is the word nazi. when those words are simply throw around do you yourself not take these words as just words.
please don't talk out of both sides of your face. if you know words have power, then don't pretend the words you like don't and the ones you dislike do. they all carry power with them.

tony

pre 7 godina

I just hope that all people regardless of ethnic backround, religion, race or creed cared more for the common man/women and greater good of this world. All of the suffering of the past and present....When will it all end??????????A small group of influential political elites run the world for the majority. The sad part about it if it can happen in Allepo Syria it can happen anywhere. Im not talking about some socialist dream/ utopia. I just think that enough is enough.