Goran Bogdanović has said that holding a referendum in Kosovo's north might not be a huge economic damage, but would cost Serbia dearly in political terms.
The Serbs in the north can remain in serbia.. hence there will be 60 000 serbs left south of the Ibar, there will be 30 000 Albanians left in Presevo Valley.. Special status for the remainding minorities in each countries.. both parties can part accordingly..
The problem is, if Northern kosovo was swapped for Presevo Valley, there will be no ALbanians living under Serb rule yet there will be 60 000 Serbs living under Albanian rule.. Thats not Cricket my friends..
Not pro serb here, couldnt care less, but logic is logic.. The Albanians want so much yet have so little to offer on the table..
Whats wrong with the above? why are Albanians so bent on Presevo Valley? If you want Presevo valley then the Albanians must compensate for the Serbs living south of the Ibar..
The Kosovo Albanians have it in theres hands to end the Albanian/serb Kosovo conflict by letting go of northern Kosovo and presevo, additionally Serbia can let go of South of Ibar..
Come on dudes, let go of the past, the Serbs want to be ruled by Albanians as much as Albanians want to be ruled by Serbs..
Remember the Math 60 000 Serbs South of the Ibar, 30 000 Albanians in Presevo, 40 000 serbs in ethnically clean northern Kosovo..
Why is this guy even being paid? He is useless.
He would prefer to leave them hanging in the wind while he and his cohorts do absolutely nothing to better people's lives.
You are the darn minister of the area, if you know people are hardly getting by...show some leadership and do something to help! Not sit down and offer more useless words. what a tool.
Pristina better start playing a more back and forth policy, or Thaci will have to talk to Serbian MUP in Pristina again. It's coming, we all know it is, just a matter of time.
(winston, 7 February 2012 18:51)
But, don't you remember, UNSC Res. #1244 does not allow Serbian MUP or military anywhere in Kosova without UN approval and then only a few. So sorry, but the Serbs begged to sign 1244 in order for the bombing to stop.
The Albanian here have a purpose; To show the dependancy that they have in Serbian politics. Take note; Serbs all over the world couldn't care less for Albania and her politics, yet Albanians all over the world obsess over Serbian politics moreso than Serbs themselves do. B92's comment section is a testament to that.
To the Albanians; Extend your embrace, and accept the Slavic blood that is boiling in your veins. Enjoy the music the Turks made for you while dancing the Slavic folk-dance we introduced to you.
It was Milosevic's foolish policy that already had damaged Serbia politically; the situation in the 'north' is only a small consequence of this.
I agree with the German ambassador in Prishtina that when nations or regions are internationally represented somewhere, it is the rule to write their name without any further notice: France, Tirol, Serbia, Holland, Germany, Kosovo, Flanders or Slovakia. Only a childish looking for difficulties make things in fact 'difficult'.
That 'Serbian' land is Albanian land never been 'Serbian Land'
If you do not like Albanians ruling their land you are free to go back to Karpats where your foolish ancestors came from.
(gjoni i dyti, 7 February 2012 21:50)
Koso, back off on the steroids.You are a Rambo Albanian that will do your people little good. Albanians have to go back to humility, it is their only chance. Acting like some kind of tough guy, will only slap them back into nothing. The USA will not be around to hold Albanian hands forever. What will you guys do once America is gone? PLEASE, what will you do when Washington has abandoned you? I personally don't care, but, I hope the Albanians wise up one day. If they look at their history, they have always clung to a power that eventually LOST. Will this time be any different? I don't think so. The USA may not totally fold, but their ability, or care, will certainly be gone for helping and giving money to, an Albanian state of Kosovo. Can you Albanians do it on your own?
The Serbs in the north have enjoyed dual salaries for more than 10 years for officesthat Albanian counterparts received half as much. If Serbia continues the practice after the northern Serbs spit in their faces and mock their claims of control over the north, then Serbia deserves the black eye it is getting. Should the referendum proceed on the 15th all payments coming from Serbia for salaries should be suspended for any one voting on the 15th.
Seems there was a similar incident just a few years ago when Serbia was telling Serbs to boycott the UNMIK called elections in Kosovo and there were reports that several people were planning to vote anyway. Serbia suddenly threatened that anyone voting would lose their Serbian dual subsidies.
If albanians don't want to live in Serbian lands then their foolish ancestors shouldn't have migrated from albania, they are free to go back to albania where they came from, including albanians in Kosovo.
(SCP UK, 7 February 2012 13:49)
That 'Serbian' land is Albanian land never been 'Serbian Land'
If you do not like Albanians ruling their land you are free to go back to Karpats where your foolish ancestors came from.
hey ardi,
if you'd like to expand the topic of N KiM referendum to include russia then i suppose you can, but before you start writing things which you clearly know not about you should do some investigation.
regarding russia and syria and the western initiative and the arab league observers: you would have noticed that russia's stance is a pricipled one, one which openly ackowledges the fact that the unsc is not in place to ditacte rules and overthrow rulers, but rather to facilitate peaceful settlements of fueding parties. you also would have noticed that russia's stance regarding the document drafted by the independent arab league observers clearly states that there are unidentified armed groups in syria at the moment. these groups have been seen using violence against citizens, much as the government has. with that taken into consideration is it an obvious automatic that the unidentified armed faction be given the keys to the country so that assad can be overthrown? the problem in syria is far too complex for the current mindset of your western heros' availble solutions (namely bombing the life out of everybody in a country you deem to be rouge). humanitarion intervention (as its known to westerners -- or inhuman wonton destruction as its known in the rest of the world) is not a viable solution in reality, but in the west we've been taught that it is. this is the problem in the pudding, and i can see that you've had more than your fair share of it my friend.
it's clearly inappropriate and insincere of the west to cry about russia trying to follow the agreed upon rules.
yes, maybe there was a time when the west was run with principles, and some of us can still remember those days, but those days are long gone and the west doesn't opperate on principles, but some glorified psuedo-principle (half truths are half lies)
Koso, you are delusional. There will be no military base of Albanians near anything in the balkans. If the USa abandons you, you are screwed! I hope you realize that. You better pray that America will have the dollars to extend itself worldwide in the future years - if not, the Russians will be more than happy to improve the Serbian situation in KiM. And if you are counting on the Germans and French for assistance, well, ok, better you than me. Pristina better start playing a more back and forth policy, or Thaci will have to talk to Serbian MUP in Pristina again. It's coming, we all know it is, just a matter of time.
Koso, all of your heros are terrorists, sorry. Your heros killed, without chance of fighting back, Serbian police and citizens. If you are proud of terrorist attacks, then enjoy. If you think that Albanians should name streets after Albanian terrorists, go try and do it. BUT, may I say, do you think the EU is not watching? Please tell me, what century do Albanians plan on joining a European Union? Anyway, I have heard facts that Skenderbeg was a Serb, ziveli.
If albanians don't want to live in Serbian lands then their foolish ancestors shouldn't have migrated from albania, they are free to go back to albania where they came from, including albanians in Kosovo.
(SCP UK, 7 February 2012 13:49)
Why don't you leave UK? Why don't you slavs go back to the ural mountains? Then you'd meet the requirements to become citizens of russia.
To the serb below who doesn't understand logic & reality...we treat these minorities much better than our own people are treated in Presheva Valley. TIT-FOR-TAT senior. Another article in this website says my people can't even change the name of a street, it went as far as to insult my intelligence by calling a fallen patriot a t*rrorist.
No double standards...we must treat each other equally. You place a military base by Bujanoc, we must open a KP ROSU command center in the northern part.
As for the Ahtisarri plan, that item was not accepted by the UNSC, and certainly not the Serbs, why do Albanians always bring that thing up too? I don't think you can comprehend that Serbs do not want to be governed by Pristina in the North. You either have a comprehension problem, or just are playing dumb?
(PapaJohn, 7 February 2012 13:35)
Ahtisari's plan never went up to UNSC for a vote, bc, the threat from Russian veto, despite the fact that with Russian blessing, Ahtisari was appointed to find the final solution. Afterwards they came up with Fact-Finding-Mission where all 15 members of UNSC came for tour in Kosova and Ruskie Ambassador was against it. But, he is all for Bashir Sadat to remain in power, despite all the voices from western countries and Arab world for him to go. Try to figure Ruskies and Serbs!!!???
If albanians don't want to live in Serbian lands then their foolish ancestors shouldn't have migrated from albania, they are free to go back to albania where they came from, including albanians in Kosovo.
EA, you are the one living in the past. Albanians have been trying to grab land for themselves since the League of Prizren, and before. This article is about a referendum in N. KiM, and not about the Presevo valley. If Albanians are unhappy there, then do something about it. Can anyone here make a comment about N. KiM without an Albanian bringing up Presevo? Presevo is not the concern of the N. KiM Serbian residents, but N. KiM is. As for the Ahtisarri plan, that item was not accepted by the UNSC, and certainly not the Serbs, why do Albanians always bring that thing up too? I don't think you can comprehend that Serbs do not want to be governed by Pristina in the North. You either have a comprehension problem, or just are playing dumb?
How about Albanians living in Presevo, Bujanovc and Medvegja? Do you really think they would love to live under Serbian rule? Have you ever asked this question? Let's not talk about Serbs living in Bosnja and Hercegovina or Albanians living in Macedonia....? Can you get my point?
(EA, 7 February 2012 12:33)
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What about the Serbs around Strpce? Do you think they want to live under Albanian rule? Albanians around Presevo are already fully integrated into Serbian structures, vote in Serbian elections and have politicians with seats in the Serbian parliament.
If you want to compare Presevo Albanians with anything, do so with the Serbs in Strpce and not N.KiM, which is pretty much integrated completely with Serbia. Can you get my point?
There is reason for the referendum, Bogdanovic. The Serbs in N. KiM want to be independent of Pristina's rule. They do not want Albanians at their administrative line crossings. They feel that you, and Belgrade, are selling them out. They see that you and BG are making concessions to the internationals, and allowing Albanians to slowly take root in N. KiM. You and BG are doing this to score points with the EU, that is your agenda, fine. But the citizens in N. KiM must now act on their own, because you and BG do not truly represent their interests. Getting EU member candidacy has become more important to the ruling DS, than what is best for Serbia - especially in KiM. When Albanians take over a territory, there is no room for anything but Albanian everything. It is a mtter of survival for Serbs in N. KiM. That is why there is good reason for a referendum.
"The Serbs in N. KiM want to be independent of Pristina's rule."
"They do not want Albanians at their administrative line crossings."
How about Albanians living in Presevo, Bujanovc and Medvegja? Do you really think they would love to live under Serbian rule? Have you ever asked this question? Let's not talk about Serbs living in Bosnja and Hercegovina or Albanians living in Macedonia....? Can you get my point?
Without Serbian's government support the full integration of northern Kosovo would be much easier. All your concerns about their rights are envisaged by Ahtisari Plan with international community as guarantor.
Let the people of Serbia move on and not get stuck with the past....It will not get anywhere but wasting more and more positive energy.
“Money is being spent for no reason, while the citizens struggle to just survive,” Bogdanović observed.
Don't worry as mother Russia will sent some "humanitarian" aid in convoys and then another reward for the Russian ambassador from "the church leaders"...)) Halelluja!
“Money is being spent for no reason, while the citizens struggle to just survive,” Bogdanović observed.
Don't worry as mother Russia will sent some "humanitarian" aid in convoys and then another reward for the Russian ambassador from "the church leaders"...)) Halelluja!
There is reason for the referendum, Bogdanovic. The Serbs in N. KiM want to be independent of Pristina's rule. They do not want Albanians at their administrative line crossings. They feel that you, and Belgrade, are selling them out. They see that you and BG are making concessions to the internationals, and allowing Albanians to slowly take root in N. KiM. You and BG are doing this to score points with the EU, that is your agenda, fine. But the citizens in N. KiM must now act on their own, because you and BG do not truly represent their interests. Getting EU member candidacy has become more important to the ruling DS, than what is best for Serbia - especially in KiM. When Albanians take over a territory, there is no room for anything but Albanian everything. It is a mtter of survival for Serbs in N. KiM. That is why there is good reason for a referendum.
"The Serbs in N. KiM want to be independent of Pristina's rule."
"They do not want Albanians at their administrative line crossings."
How about Albanians living in Presevo, Bujanovc and Medvegja? Do you really think they would love to live under Serbian rule? Have you ever asked this question? Let's not talk about Serbs living in Bosnja and Hercegovina or Albanians living in Macedonia....? Can you get my point?
Without Serbian's government support the full integration of northern Kosovo would be much easier. All your concerns about their rights are envisaged by Ahtisari Plan with international community as guarantor.
Let the people of Serbia move on and not get stuck with the past....It will not get anywhere but wasting more and more positive energy.
If albanians don't want to live in Serbian lands then their foolish ancestors shouldn't have migrated from albania, they are free to go back to albania where they came from, including albanians in Kosovo.
(SCP UK, 7 February 2012 13:49)
Why don't you leave UK? Why don't you slavs go back to the ural mountains? Then you'd meet the requirements to become citizens of russia.
To the serb below who doesn't understand logic & reality...we treat these minorities much better than our own people are treated in Presheva Valley. TIT-FOR-TAT senior. Another article in this website says my people can't even change the name of a street, it went as far as to insult my intelligence by calling a fallen patriot a t*rrorist.
No double standards...we must treat each other equally. You place a military base by Bujanoc, we must open a KP ROSU command center in the northern part.
EA, you are the one living in the past. Albanians have been trying to grab land for themselves since the League of Prizren, and before. This article is about a referendum in N. KiM, and not about the Presevo valley. If Albanians are unhappy there, then do something about it. Can anyone here make a comment about N. KiM without an Albanian bringing up Presevo? Presevo is not the concern of the N. KiM Serbian residents, but N. KiM is. As for the Ahtisarri plan, that item was not accepted by the UNSC, and certainly not the Serbs, why do Albanians always bring that thing up too? I don't think you can comprehend that Serbs do not want to be governed by Pristina in the North. You either have a comprehension problem, or just are playing dumb?
As for the Ahtisarri plan, that item was not accepted by the UNSC, and certainly not the Serbs, why do Albanians always bring that thing up too? I don't think you can comprehend that Serbs do not want to be governed by Pristina in the North. You either have a comprehension problem, or just are playing dumb?
(PapaJohn, 7 February 2012 13:35)
Ahtisari's plan never went up to UNSC for a vote, bc, the threat from Russian veto, despite the fact that with Russian blessing, Ahtisari was appointed to find the final solution. Afterwards they came up with Fact-Finding-Mission where all 15 members of UNSC came for tour in Kosova and Ruskie Ambassador was against it. But, he is all for Bashir Sadat to remain in power, despite all the voices from western countries and Arab world for him to go. Try to figure Ruskies and Serbs!!!???
The Albanian here have a purpose; To show the dependancy that they have in Serbian politics. Take note; Serbs all over the world couldn't care less for Albania and her politics, yet Albanians all over the world obsess over Serbian politics moreso than Serbs themselves do. B92's comment section is a testament to that.
To the Albanians; Extend your embrace, and accept the Slavic blood that is boiling in your veins. Enjoy the music the Turks made for you while dancing the Slavic folk-dance we introduced to you.
If albanians don't want to live in Serbian lands then their foolish ancestors shouldn't have migrated from albania, they are free to go back to albania where they came from, including albanians in Kosovo.
How about Albanians living in Presevo, Bujanovc and Medvegja? Do you really think they would love to live under Serbian rule? Have you ever asked this question? Let's not talk about Serbs living in Bosnja and Hercegovina or Albanians living in Macedonia....? Can you get my point?
(EA, 7 February 2012 12:33)
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What about the Serbs around Strpce? Do you think they want to live under Albanian rule? Albanians around Presevo are already fully integrated into Serbian structures, vote in Serbian elections and have politicians with seats in the Serbian parliament.
If you want to compare Presevo Albanians with anything, do so with the Serbs in Strpce and not N.KiM, which is pretty much integrated completely with Serbia. Can you get my point?
If albanians don't want to live in Serbian lands then their foolish ancestors shouldn't have migrated from albania, they are free to go back to albania where they came from, including albanians in Kosovo.
(SCP UK, 7 February 2012 13:49)
That 'Serbian' land is Albanian land never been 'Serbian Land'
If you do not like Albanians ruling their land you are free to go back to Karpats where your foolish ancestors came from.
The Serbs in the north have enjoyed dual salaries for more than 10 years for officesthat Albanian counterparts received half as much. If Serbia continues the practice after the northern Serbs spit in their faces and mock their claims of control over the north, then Serbia deserves the black eye it is getting. Should the referendum proceed on the 15th all payments coming from Serbia for salaries should be suspended for any one voting on the 15th.
Seems there was a similar incident just a few years ago when Serbia was telling Serbs to boycott the UNMIK called elections in Kosovo and there were reports that several people were planning to vote anyway. Serbia suddenly threatened that anyone voting would lose their Serbian dual subsidies.
Koso, you are delusional. There will be no military base of Albanians near anything in the balkans. If the USa abandons you, you are screwed! I hope you realize that. You better pray that America will have the dollars to extend itself worldwide in the future years - if not, the Russians will be more than happy to improve the Serbian situation in KiM. And if you are counting on the Germans and French for assistance, well, ok, better you than me. Pristina better start playing a more back and forth policy, or Thaci will have to talk to Serbian MUP in Pristina again. It's coming, we all know it is, just a matter of time.
hey ardi,
if you'd like to expand the topic of N KiM referendum to include russia then i suppose you can, but before you start writing things which you clearly know not about you should do some investigation.
regarding russia and syria and the western initiative and the arab league observers: you would have noticed that russia's stance is a pricipled one, one which openly ackowledges the fact that the unsc is not in place to ditacte rules and overthrow rulers, but rather to facilitate peaceful settlements of fueding parties. you also would have noticed that russia's stance regarding the document drafted by the independent arab league observers clearly states that there are unidentified armed groups in syria at the moment. these groups have been seen using violence against citizens, much as the government has. with that taken into consideration is it an obvious automatic that the unidentified armed faction be given the keys to the country so that assad can be overthrown? the problem in syria is far too complex for the current mindset of your western heros' availble solutions (namely bombing the life out of everybody in a country you deem to be rouge). humanitarion intervention (as its known to westerners -- or inhuman wonton destruction as its known in the rest of the world) is not a viable solution in reality, but in the west we've been taught that it is. this is the problem in the pudding, and i can see that you've had more than your fair share of it my friend.
it's clearly inappropriate and insincere of the west to cry about russia trying to follow the agreed upon rules.
yes, maybe there was a time when the west was run with principles, and some of us can still remember those days, but those days are long gone and the west doesn't opperate on principles, but some glorified psuedo-principle (half truths are half lies)
Koso, all of your heros are terrorists, sorry. Your heros killed, without chance of fighting back, Serbian police and citizens. If you are proud of terrorist attacks, then enjoy. If you think that Albanians should name streets after Albanian terrorists, go try and do it. BUT, may I say, do you think the EU is not watching? Please tell me, what century do Albanians plan on joining a European Union? Anyway, I have heard facts that Skenderbeg was a Serb, ziveli.
Koso, back off on the steroids.You are a Rambo Albanian that will do your people little good. Albanians have to go back to humility, it is their only chance. Acting like some kind of tough guy, will only slap them back into nothing. The USA will not be around to hold Albanian hands forever. What will you guys do once America is gone? PLEASE, what will you do when Washington has abandoned you? I personally don't care, but, I hope the Albanians wise up one day. If they look at their history, they have always clung to a power that eventually LOST. Will this time be any different? I don't think so. The USA may not totally fold, but their ability, or care, will certainly be gone for helping and giving money to, an Albanian state of Kosovo. Can you Albanians do it on your own?
That 'Serbian' land is Albanian land never been 'Serbian Land'
If you do not like Albanians ruling their land you are free to go back to Karpats where your foolish ancestors came from.
(gjoni i dyti, 7 February 2012 21:50)
Pristina better start playing a more back and forth policy, or Thaci will have to talk to Serbian MUP in Pristina again. It's coming, we all know it is, just a matter of time.
(winston, 7 February 2012 18:51)
But, don't you remember, UNSC Res. #1244 does not allow Serbian MUP or military anywhere in Kosova without UN approval and then only a few. So sorry, but the Serbs begged to sign 1244 in order for the bombing to stop.
It was Milosevic's foolish policy that already had damaged Serbia politically; the situation in the 'north' is only a small consequence of this.
I agree with the German ambassador in Prishtina that when nations or regions are internationally represented somewhere, it is the rule to write their name without any further notice: France, Tirol, Serbia, Holland, Germany, Kosovo, Flanders or Slovakia. Only a childish looking for difficulties make things in fact 'difficult'.
Why is this guy even being paid? He is useless.
He would prefer to leave them hanging in the wind while he and his cohorts do absolutely nothing to better people's lives.
You are the darn minister of the area, if you know people are hardly getting by...show some leadership and do something to help! Not sit down and offer more useless words. what a tool.
The Serbs in the north can remain in serbia.. hence there will be 60 000 serbs left south of the Ibar, there will be 30 000 Albanians left in Presevo Valley.. Special status for the remainding minorities in each countries.. both parties can part accordingly..
The problem is, if Northern kosovo was swapped for Presevo Valley, there will be no ALbanians living under Serb rule yet there will be 60 000 Serbs living under Albanian rule.. Thats not Cricket my friends..
Not pro serb here, couldnt care less, but logic is logic.. The Albanians want so much yet have so little to offer on the table..
Whats wrong with the above? why are Albanians so bent on Presevo Valley? If you want Presevo valley then the Albanians must compensate for the Serbs living south of the Ibar..
The Kosovo Albanians have it in theres hands to end the Albanian/serb Kosovo conflict by letting go of northern Kosovo and presevo, additionally Serbia can let go of South of Ibar..
Come on dudes, let go of the past, the Serbs want to be ruled by Albanians as much as Albanians want to be ruled by Serbs..
Remember the Math 60 000 Serbs South of the Ibar, 30 000 Albanians in Presevo, 40 000 serbs in ethnically clean northern Kosovo..
If albanians don't want to live in Serbian lands then their foolish ancestors shouldn't have migrated from albania, they are free to go back to albania where they came from, including albanians in Kosovo.
There is reason for the referendum, Bogdanovic. The Serbs in N. KiM want to be independent of Pristina's rule. They do not want Albanians at their administrative line crossings. They feel that you, and Belgrade, are selling them out. They see that you and BG are making concessions to the internationals, and allowing Albanians to slowly take root in N. KiM. You and BG are doing this to score points with the EU, that is your agenda, fine. But the citizens in N. KiM must now act on their own, because you and BG do not truly represent their interests. Getting EU member candidacy has become more important to the ruling DS, than what is best for Serbia - especially in KiM. When Albanians take over a territory, there is no room for anything but Albanian everything. It is a mtter of survival for Serbs in N. KiM. That is why there is good reason for a referendum.
"The Serbs in N. KiM want to be independent of Pristina's rule."
"They do not want Albanians at their administrative line crossings."
How about Albanians living in Presevo, Bujanovc and Medvegja? Do you really think they would love to live under Serbian rule? Have you ever asked this question? Let's not talk about Serbs living in Bosnja and Hercegovina or Albanians living in Macedonia....? Can you get my point?
Without Serbian's government support the full integration of northern Kosovo would be much easier. All your concerns about their rights are envisaged by Ahtisari Plan with international community as guarantor.
Let the people of Serbia move on and not get stuck with the past....It will not get anywhere but wasting more and more positive energy.
EA, you are the one living in the past. Albanians have been trying to grab land for themselves since the League of Prizren, and before. This article is about a referendum in N. KiM, and not about the Presevo valley. If Albanians are unhappy there, then do something about it. Can anyone here make a comment about N. KiM without an Albanian bringing up Presevo? Presevo is not the concern of the N. KiM Serbian residents, but N. KiM is. As for the Ahtisarri plan, that item was not accepted by the UNSC, and certainly not the Serbs, why do Albanians always bring that thing up too? I don't think you can comprehend that Serbs do not want to be governed by Pristina in the North. You either have a comprehension problem, or just are playing dumb?
“Money is being spent for no reason, while the citizens struggle to just survive,” Bogdanović observed.
Don't worry as mother Russia will sent some "humanitarian" aid in convoys and then another reward for the Russian ambassador from "the church leaders"...)) Halelluja!
Koso, all of your heros are terrorists, sorry. Your heros killed, without chance of fighting back, Serbian police and citizens. If you are proud of terrorist attacks, then enjoy. If you think that Albanians should name streets after Albanian terrorists, go try and do it. BUT, may I say, do you think the EU is not watching? Please tell me, what century do Albanians plan on joining a European Union? Anyway, I have heard facts that Skenderbeg was a Serb, ziveli.
How about Albanians living in Presevo, Bujanovc and Medvegja? Do you really think they would love to live under Serbian rule? Have you ever asked this question? Let's not talk about Serbs living in Bosnja and Hercegovina or Albanians living in Macedonia....? Can you get my point?
(EA, 7 February 2012 12:33)
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What about the Serbs around Strpce? Do you think they want to live under Albanian rule? Albanians around Presevo are already fully integrated into Serbian structures, vote in Serbian elections and have politicians with seats in the Serbian parliament.
If you want to compare Presevo Albanians with anything, do so with the Serbs in Strpce and not N.KiM, which is pretty much integrated completely with Serbia. Can you get my point?
Koso, you are delusional. There will be no military base of Albanians near anything in the balkans. If the USa abandons you, you are screwed! I hope you realize that. You better pray that America will have the dollars to extend itself worldwide in the future years - if not, the Russians will be more than happy to improve the Serbian situation in KiM. And if you are counting on the Germans and French for assistance, well, ok, better you than me. Pristina better start playing a more back and forth policy, or Thaci will have to talk to Serbian MUP in Pristina again. It's coming, we all know it is, just a matter of time.
If albanians don't want to live in Serbian lands then their foolish ancestors shouldn't have migrated from albania, they are free to go back to albania where they came from, including albanians in Kosovo.
(SCP UK, 7 February 2012 13:49)
Why don't you leave UK? Why don't you slavs go back to the ural mountains? Then you'd meet the requirements to become citizens of russia.
To the serb below who doesn't understand logic & reality...we treat these minorities much better than our own people are treated in Presheva Valley. TIT-FOR-TAT senior. Another article in this website says my people can't even change the name of a street, it went as far as to insult my intelligence by calling a fallen patriot a t*rrorist.
No double standards...we must treat each other equally. You place a military base by Bujanoc, we must open a KP ROSU command center in the northern part.
hey ardi,
if you'd like to expand the topic of N KiM referendum to include russia then i suppose you can, but before you start writing things which you clearly know not about you should do some investigation.
regarding russia and syria and the western initiative and the arab league observers: you would have noticed that russia's stance is a pricipled one, one which openly ackowledges the fact that the unsc is not in place to ditacte rules and overthrow rulers, but rather to facilitate peaceful settlements of fueding parties. you also would have noticed that russia's stance regarding the document drafted by the independent arab league observers clearly states that there are unidentified armed groups in syria at the moment. these groups have been seen using violence against citizens, much as the government has. with that taken into consideration is it an obvious automatic that the unidentified armed faction be given the keys to the country so that assad can be overthrown? the problem in syria is far too complex for the current mindset of your western heros' availble solutions (namely bombing the life out of everybody in a country you deem to be rouge). humanitarion intervention (as its known to westerners -- or inhuman wonton destruction as its known in the rest of the world) is not a viable solution in reality, but in the west we've been taught that it is. this is the problem in the pudding, and i can see that you've had more than your fair share of it my friend.
it's clearly inappropriate and insincere of the west to cry about russia trying to follow the agreed upon rules.
yes, maybe there was a time when the west was run with principles, and some of us can still remember those days, but those days are long gone and the west doesn't opperate on principles, but some glorified psuedo-principle (half truths are half lies)
That 'Serbian' land is Albanian land never been 'Serbian Land'
If you do not like Albanians ruling their land you are free to go back to Karpats where your foolish ancestors came from.
(gjoni i dyti, 7 February 2012 21:50)
Koso, back off on the steroids.You are a Rambo Albanian that will do your people little good. Albanians have to go back to humility, it is their only chance. Acting like some kind of tough guy, will only slap them back into nothing. The USA will not be around to hold Albanian hands forever. What will you guys do once America is gone? PLEASE, what will you do when Washington has abandoned you? I personally don't care, but, I hope the Albanians wise up one day. If they look at their history, they have always clung to a power that eventually LOST. Will this time be any different? I don't think so. The USA may not totally fold, but their ability, or care, will certainly be gone for helping and giving money to, an Albanian state of Kosovo. Can you Albanians do it on your own?
As for the Ahtisarri plan, that item was not accepted by the UNSC, and certainly not the Serbs, why do Albanians always bring that thing up too? I don't think you can comprehend that Serbs do not want to be governed by Pristina in the North. You either have a comprehension problem, or just are playing dumb?
(PapaJohn, 7 February 2012 13:35)
Ahtisari's plan never went up to UNSC for a vote, bc, the threat from Russian veto, despite the fact that with Russian blessing, Ahtisari was appointed to find the final solution. Afterwards they came up with Fact-Finding-Mission where all 15 members of UNSC came for tour in Kosova and Ruskie Ambassador was against it. But, he is all for Bashir Sadat to remain in power, despite all the voices from western countries and Arab world for him to go. Try to figure Ruskies and Serbs!!!???
If albanians don't want to live in Serbian lands then their foolish ancestors shouldn't have migrated from albania, they are free to go back to albania where they came from, including albanians in Kosovo.
(SCP UK, 7 February 2012 13:49)
That 'Serbian' land is Albanian land never been 'Serbian Land'
If you do not like Albanians ruling their land you are free to go back to Karpats where your foolish ancestors came from.
The Albanian here have a purpose; To show the dependancy that they have in Serbian politics. Take note; Serbs all over the world couldn't care less for Albania and her politics, yet Albanians all over the world obsess over Serbian politics moreso than Serbs themselves do. B92's comment section is a testament to that.
To the Albanians; Extend your embrace, and accept the Slavic blood that is boiling in your veins. Enjoy the music the Turks made for you while dancing the Slavic folk-dance we introduced to you.
The Serbs in the north can remain in serbia.. hence there will be 60 000 serbs left south of the Ibar, there will be 30 000 Albanians left in Presevo Valley.. Special status for the remainding minorities in each countries.. both parties can part accordingly..
The problem is, if Northern kosovo was swapped for Presevo Valley, there will be no ALbanians living under Serb rule yet there will be 60 000 Serbs living under Albanian rule.. Thats not Cricket my friends..
Not pro serb here, couldnt care less, but logic is logic.. The Albanians want so much yet have so little to offer on the table..
Whats wrong with the above? why are Albanians so bent on Presevo Valley? If you want Presevo valley then the Albanians must compensate for the Serbs living south of the Ibar..
The Kosovo Albanians have it in theres hands to end the Albanian/serb Kosovo conflict by letting go of northern Kosovo and presevo, additionally Serbia can let go of South of Ibar..
Come on dudes, let go of the past, the Serbs want to be ruled by Albanians as much as Albanians want to be ruled by Serbs..
Remember the Math 60 000 Serbs South of the Ibar, 30 000 Albanians in Presevo, 40 000 serbs in ethnically clean northern Kosovo..
Why is this guy even being paid? He is useless.
He would prefer to leave them hanging in the wind while he and his cohorts do absolutely nothing to better people's lives.
You are the darn minister of the area, if you know people are hardly getting by...show some leadership and do something to help! Not sit down and offer more useless words. what a tool.
The Serbs in the north have enjoyed dual salaries for more than 10 years for officesthat Albanian counterparts received half as much. If Serbia continues the practice after the northern Serbs spit in their faces and mock their claims of control over the north, then Serbia deserves the black eye it is getting. Should the referendum proceed on the 15th all payments coming from Serbia for salaries should be suspended for any one voting on the 15th.
Seems there was a similar incident just a few years ago when Serbia was telling Serbs to boycott the UNMIK called elections in Kosovo and there were reports that several people were planning to vote anyway. Serbia suddenly threatened that anyone voting would lose their Serbian dual subsidies.
It was Milosevic's foolish policy that already had damaged Serbia politically; the situation in the 'north' is only a small consequence of this.
I agree with the German ambassador in Prishtina that when nations or regions are internationally represented somewhere, it is the rule to write their name without any further notice: France, Tirol, Serbia, Holland, Germany, Kosovo, Flanders or Slovakia. Only a childish looking for difficulties make things in fact 'difficult'.
Pristina better start playing a more back and forth policy, or Thaci will have to talk to Serbian MUP in Pristina again. It's coming, we all know it is, just a matter of time.
(winston, 7 February 2012 18:51)
But, don't you remember, UNSC Res. #1244 does not allow Serbian MUP or military anywhere in Kosova without UN approval and then only a few. So sorry, but the Serbs begged to sign 1244 in order for the bombing to stop.
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