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Partition of Kosovo only solution, minister says

Serbian Interior Minister Ivica Dačić has assessed that partition of Kosovo is the only realistic solution.

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ANTIGONA

pre 13 godina

@"CG"
It's funny how you draw parallels between albanians and nazis, yet you're the one saying things like "..they (i.e. albanians)will fall and run from the Serbian forces like they did in March 1999...". Face it, you have no historical rights on Kosovo (nor Nish or other Albanian land for that matter). If you had historical rights you wouldnt have done any ethnic cleansing.

Now, I didn't say that albanians are going to "conquer" Nish, but I cant guarantee you that the 6 million albanians living in Turkey one day won't come back to their homeland. In this case I hardly think they would need the help from Kosovo or Albania because many polticians in Turkey today have Albanian origins and not the least many generals, soldiers and military pilots of the Turkish army are Albanians by blood, such as İlker Baºbuğ.

As for Kosovo, the serbs can come back there, but ONLY those that lived there before. Not serbs from parts of Croatia, Bosnia or other serbs which have never even set a foot in Kosovo before (I believe this is Serbia's plan though). At the same time Albanians need to, and will come back to their homes in northern Kosovo, especially in northern Mitrovica. So eventually northern Kosovo will not be 95 % serbs as you want to.

CG

pre 13 godina

(Jovan, 16 May 2011 01:51)

Absolutely right,Jovan!
I think this situation can be compared to the appeasement policy of the UK towards Nazi Germany:
If you give in to the agresssor he will only become more agressive (albanians dreaming of Nis which they of course never will get etc.)!
There needs to be a line drawn into the sand which says:
Until here and not one centimetre further!
Despite the bragging of the Albanian nationalists about how they will conquer whole Balkans and other nonsense we have to see the reality:
Without massive Western support they are an absolute joke and will fall and run from the Serbian forces like they did in March 1999 and more important:
They are isolated,Kosovo is still de jure part of Serbia,it won`t get into NATO,EU and Serbs in Northern Mitrovica have established themselves and form 95% there they are,so they are secure for the moment!
The West is getting weaker and weaker,while Russia and China (which will become the no1 economy in 2015)are getting stronger and stronger:

Our position right now is very good and we should make no deals,Dacic should be thrown out!
The democrats(aka old Communists have created the whole problem in 1945 with not getting rid of the Albanians like the Greeks got rid of them in the Epirus region,and in 1974 they even rewarded them with autonomy!)are the gravediggers of Serbia,they will and must be pushed out of government immediately!
The solution of the Kosovo problem in Serbia`s favour requires only patience and endurence,nothing else!

benzo

pre 13 godina

the balkans has a great chance to fix these "un-natural" borders they have been living with for centuries!! ok lets split kosovo and preshevo but also BiH, montenegro, macedonia and if we are gonna get real even some parts of vojvodina too!! if all sides lived on whats seen as their majority land and borders reflected that,.. wouldnt we have a much better balkans?? now the albanians and serbians would gain most from such changes but isnt that better then this game being played in most countries of the region? greater albania and greater serbia may be the answer but not the easiest to make happen

lowe

pre 13 godina

"And to add something else, we (Kosova) will gladly take the Preseve Valley into Kosova.

Tung
(FREEDOM, 16 May 2011 10:15) "

And obviously you expect the Yankees to do it for you, right? Because you don't have the means (military or financial) to do this on your own. Talk about living in la la land! http://www.federalbudget.com/

James

pre 13 godina

I say we let the albanians, sorry, kosovars have the periphery of kosovo. After all, what does a muslim nation need all our churches and monasteries for? Give them the parts nowhere near SPC property, and they should end up with a 'nation' shaped like a crescent! They'll LOVE it! And the holy heart of Kosovo remains as it should be, a part of Serbia. When do I get my Nobel Peace Prize?

Dragan, Toronto (now in Beograd)

pre 13 godina

Partition of Kosovo-Metohija is a reality on the ground as we speak. North of Ibar piece along with enclaves do not effectively function correctly, however they do not follow Pristina at all. That is the reality. The end result, which many politicians will tell you privately, rather than speak publically is - gradual "Partition" and gradual "relocating and resettling of peoples." Within a decade or two, once the flames and passions die down, the result will be the area/chunk of Ibar and north as the Serbian boundary and south as some Kosovo Albanian federation with parts of Albania and FYR Maedonia...sad but true.

FREEDOM

pre 13 godina

Only a individual (or institute, country, ...) who talks of division knows he has lost the fight.

This is very last and only option they have when losing a battle and what to grab something out of the fire. But be aware: "you will burn your fingers".

Let me be very clear about this issue:

"NO PARTITION WHATSOEVER!"

And to add something else, we (Kosova) will gladly take the Preseve Valley into Kosova.

Tung

gjon fusha

pre 13 godina

Some albanians in here are really funny, what will you albos do if Serbia get suport from UN !? fight for 7 % of Kosovo??? with what? you dont even have weapons...
(Mitrovica, 15 May 2011 22:12)

Some albanians in here may sound funny to you. But I just like to point out that this Interior Minister is funnier.
Last time we fought you we had less arms and we did win. So please don't mention it, because is not about arms. And if is about them I assure you there will be no more Serbia.
If you do not know how to behave as civilized, go learn first and then you use you're computer to talk politics.

Anonymous

pre 13 godina

@Demi
I won't need to dream on when the 200,000 Serbs move back to Kosovo and Serbia controls 30% of kosovos territory of which it controls about 20% now.

Jovan

pre 13 godina

there could be several reasons why once again a serbian official is being quoted with this stupid nonsense about partition. you cannot divide what is entirely serbian.

there is no room for making presents to the Albanians. it is serbian territory. fullstop.

those attempts to chose the easy way out look very much like this old Milosevic-ally wants to present himself as a certain kind of pragmatic, reasonable politician.

no.

no partition at all.


if necessary, we will wait even 40 years, and then we will liberate our southern province. but there is no such thing like a partition. all those who are commenting it as if that was a reasonable, "unemotional" approach make a mistake.

the opposite is right. it is unemotional to say no to any kind of partition or other solution that gives in to albanian terrorism. don´t forget the socalled kla is a terrorist organisation, remember the only intelligent sentence ever heard by Richard Holbrooke, backyard junkdogs or so...

it is rather emotional to try to go the easy way, to give in to their criminal attempt to seize serbian territory by violent means.

no, that is no option.

Mitrovica

pre 13 godina

Some albanians in here are really funny, what will you albos do if Serbia get suport from UN !? fight for 7 % of Kosovo??? with what? you dont even have weapons...

Anonymous

pre 13 godina

Although I believe that Kosovo is a part of Serbia, I do agree with some form of partition. However this partition should not be made only fro northern kosovo as a majority of Serbs and Serbian Cultural sites are south of the Ibar. I would also like to point out that when the 200,000 Serbian refugees move back to Kosovo, the ethnographic situation will be much different since many parts of kosovo will then have Serbian majorities. However, I have come with a plan that should satisfy both Serbia and the Kosovo Albanians interests.
Serbia should have 6 enclaves where Serbs live. They are:
1. Northern Kosovo (This includes Leposavic,Zvecan,Zubin Potok,Mitrovica)
2. Gracanica ( This includes the current Gracanica enclave with Gazimestan and the Serbian areas in Obilic and Kosovo Polje)
3. Sar Planina (This would include Strpce, southern Suva Reka, and the Southern Part of the Prizren municipality including the Serbian quarter of the city of prizren.)
4. Metohija (This would include the area west and south of the city of pec which would include Gorazdevac, the city of Bjelo Polje, and the Pec patriarchate. It would also include the northern part of Decani and would include the decani monastery.)
5. Ranilug/Novo Brdo ( This would include the municipality of Novo Brdo, Northern Gnjilane, and Ranilug in Kamenica.)
6. Partes/Klokot ( This would include Partes and Klokot municipalities)
In these six Serbian enclaves would live the entire Serbian population in Kosovo and this is where the Serbian refugees would be moved back to. These areas in Kosovo would function entirely as a part of Serbia, short of Serbian military presence in these areas so the Albanians are not provoked or threatened. The monasteries left out of the enclaves such as Gorioc, Budisavci, Devic, and Dolac would all be given a special status and be considered a part of Serbia. This is a good plan as Serbia would be keeping the major monasteries such as Gracanica, Decani, the Pec Patriarchate, Bogordica Ljeviska, the Archangels Monastery, and many more. Serbia would also be keeping Gazimestan, Prizren Kaljaja, and the Novo Brdo Fortress. The Serbian refugees from Kosovo would be able to move to these areas with a piece of mind. Serbia would also be able to move the 200,000 Serb refugees from krajina to these enclaves which would bring the total number of Serbs in Kosovo to 500,000+.
The Albanians would also be winners. Serbia would give the Albanians all of the mines in Kosovo and all of the major cities with the exception of Mitrovica remaining divided and the Serbian quarter of Prizren would remain a part of Serbia within the Sar Planina enclave. The Albanians would also receive full recognition of Sovereignty as a separate country from Serbia and the countries who have not recognized it. There would be complete freedom of movement in Kosovo and the Albanians in the Presevo municipality would be considered a Kosovo enclave and would be added to Kosovo. Kosovo would then not be blocked by Serbia into any organizations such as the EU or UN. Serbia would also pay reparations to the Kosovo Albanians for damage during the war as long as Albanians rebuilt the 150 monasteries burnt down after the war.
This is an excellent plan as the Serbs would be keeping all of their major monasteries and enclaves where Serbs already live so no one would be left out. The Albanian would keep all of their major cities, industrials centers, and mines. They would also receive recognition from Serbia and would join the EU and UN.

Mark

pre 13 godina

The important thing is that NAIVE Albanian public buys it
(highduke, 15 May 2011 14:46)

Dude you are to naive to understand what is really going on.Stick to the mighty of S.Stream.That is the only thing you know.

Bilbao

pre 13 godina

No. No more German sponsored anti-Serbian policies where you can partition Kosovo, but can't partition Bosnia, Croatia, Montenegro, or Macedonia. According to the 'civilized West', Yugoslavia can be partitioned, and so can Serbia, but these other fake states can't. It's complete rubbish, and no Serb should buy it.
Partition you say, ok then, we get half of Bosnia, a quarter of Croatia, half of Montenegro including Herceg-Novi, and Kumanovo from Macedonia - THAT should be the Serbian response to any talk of partition of Kosovo.
Cheers!!
(Dragan, 15 May 2011 18:09)

Dragan this is Milosevic politics all Yugoslav wars were done so Serbia has huge part of Yugoslavia and beloved Sea. No u are land locked and u wont have exit in Adritic sea as this is Serbian dream even beofre yugoslavia.

But sorry you wont get that you got a big blow when Montenegro split and they are on way to NATO and EU and u wont touch it.

I agree north to be a canton of Kosovo with KFOR protection but no Serbian Military presence since that would not allow K-albaninas to live on those parts freely.

USA/UK wont give up Trepca that was for long time under UK control its like giving Russia or Greece a present which would be sold like Nis petrol. France has been fighting for a peace as well sorry this is a done deal and even u will see when privatization of Trepca happen in next 18 months.

Sterpc is being sold to German/Swiss company as a ski resort remember this in coming month.

Serbia has a loosing hand you are too late with this proposal it was put in place before atasari plan but it was rejected.

Lets see what happens in coming months but Croatia just closed last chapters for EU and Serbias only solution is that look what would happen to greece if not in EU and had to borrow from IMF it would fall flat only reason is they are part of EU they are saved.

Look if Serbia had so much pull it would push for harder solution in Bosnia this is war for dominance in Balkans between Russia and US/EU nothing to do with Serbs/Bosninas/Albanians all are being used as pawns in a big chess game.

Dodik fell on his ass even with full Russian backing if Serbia was where Ukrain was with territory then yes but where it stand to big of buffer. Bonsteel in Turkish hands to increase influence over Bosnia and Sandjak which will gain autonomy in Serbia.

metrod

pre 13 godina

"No. No more German sponsored anti-Serbian policies where you can partition Kosovo, but can't partition Bosnia, Croatia, Montenegro, or Macedonia. According to the 'civilized West', Yugoslavia can be partitioned, and so can Serbia, but these other fake states can't. It's complete rubbish, and no Serb should buy it.
Partition you say, ok then, we get half of Bosnia, a quarter of Croatia, half of Montenegro including Herceg-Novi, and Kumanovo from Macedonia - THAT should be the Serbian response to any talk of partition of Kosovo.
Cheers!!
Dragan"

- Yugoslavia was a country that shouldn't have been. Need we more proof that it's peoples can't live together?

Is it better to force these peoples to live together...we saw the Yugo experiment didn't work and resulted in wars.
Or is it better to swap territories and live in peace. Over time, business will bring people together and hatred will dissipate.

And, while you're at it why not partition countries like BH, Macedonia and Montenegro?

tim

pre 13 godina

Leave the situation as it is for a couple of years. Support the Serbs in Kosovo economicaly encourage new settlment and watch the hysteria and desperation of the K albs grow.
Time is on Serbia's side.

ANTIGONA

pre 13 godina

Why exactly would albanians want to give more of their territory to Serbia? Haven't albanians given enough land to the serbs by now?! Remember that till about 1874 (when over 200.000 albanians were driven out of their ancient lands and sent to Turkey) albanians lived all the up to Nish. As we all know these lands are nowadays occupied by the serbs. There is no way albanians are giving more land to Serbia. Serbs owe lands to albanians, not the other way around.

Top

pre 13 godina

"Do you want that to be like that forever ?? Or isn't it better for the people to live and work together in their own common city ?? This can only happend in an independent Kosovo since Serbia as a regime is not welcomed in any part of Kosovo by the majory residents. This was shown by the protest when Stefanovic visited Kosovo."

And the Pristina regime (this word fits somehow better to the election faking Kosovo prime minister than to the correctly and democratically elected Serbian government) is not welcome in Northern Kosovo.


"Setting a border in the middle of a city sounds very unrealistic because sooner or later the people would want to cross that bridge to have a coffe or make buessnis. Would they have to cross a border to get to the opther side of the same city ?

Come on guys are we so primitive ??"
(Demi, 15 May 2011 17:38)

Not my words, but yes, it seems like the Balkan people are so primitive. While the EU countries grow together, borders are removed, and people can travel freely in whole Schengen zone, the people in ex-YU prefer to split up into several mini-states, introducing new borders, own languages, create trouble about recognizing custom stamps and number plates on cars, and ban people from visiting their home towns.

Yves Saint Laurent

pre 13 godina

What Serbia needs to push for (if it worked in Serbia's interest before foreign ones) in these talks with the representatives of the Kosovo Albanians is for 3 conditions. The first, Serbian officers (through UNMIK if needed) have the right to guard any religious monastery or church throughout Kosovo. The churches are given a sort of Vatican status and do not answer to Pristina. The second then would be for Serbia to have complete control over 3 key points. Northern Kosovo, which lets face it is well beyond Pristina's reach, Gracanica & Strpce. At that point, any Serb not living in these 3 areas should end up moving there and that will finally be whats left of a Serbian Kosovo. These 3 parts would function entirely apart of Serbia. And then the 3rd stipulation would be for in all those areas.. for MUP officers in the North to be entirely active and for Serbs to take part in KFOR/UNMIK missions in Strpce & Gracanica to have defense for its people living there.

After this would be agreed upon (this should be Serbia's last offer and anything less would be a complete failure) setting up relations with the government in Pristina is the next logical step. The reality is they are there, and they have chosen a heroin trafficking group of individuals to be their voice. Fine, as long as they agree to Serbia's 3 stipulations there should be some form of relations. Several agreements should be signed that have to do with licensing, customs as well as a agreement of the free travel of people and goods between each stronghold. Serbia would have to then do everything short of recognizing the "Republic of Kosovo", setting up relations, allowing their presence at international meetings short of full U.N. membership.

This I see as the only way both Serbs & Albanians can move forward and try building a better future. If this however were the terms of an agreement, I would bet my last Euros that Northern Kosovo, Gracanica & Strpce will be the most advanced and modern parts of Kosovo which would probably enrage Albanians and could cause a war in the future. However, I don't think by then the Albanians would be so fortunate to have outside help and that would probably be the end of "Project Kosova". That is remained to be seen I suppose, but if K.Albs want to start some kind of membership talks with the EU they have to be able to negotiate and compromise. And if Serbia cares first what interests for its people are, before the interests of Brussels, London & Washington then they will defiantly set those demands. I would even go a step further and actually ask BRIC to form their own mission in the Serbian parts of Kosovo to "establish rule of law". This of course cannot happen if empire viceroys occupy Belgrade.

Tung

Dragan

pre 13 godina

No. No more German sponsored anti-Serbian policies where you can partition Kosovo, but can't partition Bosnia, Croatia, Montenegro, or Macedonia. According to the 'civilized West', Yugoslavia can be partitioned, and so can Serbia, but these other fake states can't. It's complete rubbish, and no Serb should buy it.
Partition you say, ok then, we get half of Bosnia, a quarter of Croatia, half of Montenegro including Herceg-Novi, and Kumanovo from Macedonia - THAT should be the Serbian response to any talk of partition of Kosovo.
Cheers!!

Demi

pre 13 godina

And to be realistic, Mitrovica is already partitioned and KFOR/EULEX has to control the bridges to prevent violence.
(Top, 15 May 2011 14:15)


Do you want that to be like that forever ?? Or isn't it better for the people to live and work together in their own common city ?? This can only happend in an independent Kosovo since Serbia as a regime is not welcomed in any part of Kosovo by the majory residents. This was shown by the protest when Stefanovic visited Kosovo.


Somthing that I would accept is exchange of people and let the borders be as they are. It is a primitive solution but at least an realistic solution!

Setting a border in the middle of a city sounds very unrealistic because sooner or later the people would want to cross that bridge to have a coffe or make buessnis. Would they have to cross a border to get to the opther side of the same city ?

Come on guys are we so primitive ??

ben

pre 13 godina

Does he mean land swap or does he mean cantononization since this is also a reference to enclaves in Kosovo's center and south? A step forward but I don't think Pristina will warm to the idea.
(Mike, 15 May 2011 16:29)

If land swap for some larger local autonomy is what he is referring then Prishtina should take the offer.

There are ppl talking about some mines in the north but many African countries are very rich in minerals yet very poor and on the other hand you have countries as Italy or Japan who have almost zero minerals but very developed economies. It is the culture, the science that makes you rich my dear K-Albanian compatriots. It is the aspirin that generates thousands times larger and safer income than 2 or 200 mines. Don’t be afraid of these things- the tomorrow will be bright for all of us if we all reach agreement that will please us all.

It's not worth and wise fighting with a neighbour over couple of mines. Those things can be solved also in partnership agreements- just create some kind of a joint venture company and negotiate the stakes in that company- who cares if the company will be based in Belgrade or Prishtina??

P.S. it seems like this proposal was sent to Prishtina by Stefanović just couple of days ago and some sort of positive feedback has been received (as Dacic wouldn't take the political risk to open almost officialy in solo such a hot topic ). Strange that just after 2 days of the mysterious (no agenda, no details revealed) visit of Stefanović, the number 2 of Serbia comes with this kind of a statement. I don't think it's a coincidence but rather a well planed and thought test balloon for the public opinions.

Gojko

pre 13 godina

Is Dacic ready to divide vovjodina, Presovo, sandzak. This guy wants to start a pandorra box in his own country. Serbia will be a size of a peanut in 20-25 years! Let the auction begin. For sale by owner.... we will take your best offer, liquidation sale, all pieces of Serbian land must go asap.

DX

pre 13 godina

No partiotion because then we would have to partition Macedonia and Montenegro..
(Demi, 15 May 2011 13:03)

U people realize that you are not member of UN, and that your borders are not final, they will be final when we get new UN resolution, by then u cant force serbs to acept your independence, YOU CAN'T! there was no legal border change. Serbia, Spain, Russia.. woud protect serbs in Kosovo if you try to force them to accept independence.

Mike

pre 13 godina

Well they're finally saying it officially - at least Dacic is. Makes sense since Belgrade had full designs on, not to mention has had full control of, the north since 1999. But what seems interesting is Dacic saying “I think that the only realistic solution is that places where Serbs live stay in Serbia and that the other part where the Albanians live secedes. This is the only realistic way that can lead us to a quick solution.”

Does he mean land swap or does he mean cantononization since this is also a reference to enclaves in Kosovo's center and south? A step forward but I don't think Pristina will warm to the idea.

ben

pre 13 godina

Exchange of territories is the solution.

Anyhow, funny to hear how Serbs are ready to split "their" heart and soul... lol... Now that the Solomon’s trial in you are happy to split "you" soul and heart... give me a break..

Exchange of territories and mutual recognition.

The exchange will set a fear solution as it’s a give and take. Otherwise I don't understand why Serbs in Kosova or Bosnia cannot live within Kosova or Bosnia but Albanians in Macedonia should live in Macedonia????

Bob

pre 13 godina

Can't be done, simply because the Pristina led authority needs the northern mines and minerals to support its regressing political life.

Conflict is coming whether one likes it or not...frustrations are rising and no more money left to control it.

What the EU has been scared off south of the Ibar river, regarding uprising communities is going to come true, maybe not this year, but the ghost of christmas past is coming to see EULEX.

EU should dissolve and stop making a laughing stock of itself via its US puppets.

Top

pre 13 godina

2) Partition could spell trouble at home for themselves -- Scotland, Second Vermont Republic movement, American native Indians -- get the picture? (lowe, 15 May 2011 14:53)

If you think this idea to an end, it was the 'indipindint Kosovo' project that already spelled 'trouble (and that's why 5 of the EU countries didn't recognize the UDI.

8NH5QH

pre 13 godina

“If you want to be a part of the EU and have Serbia’s consent, but the way we started we won’t have a solution in the next 20 years,”

That's how long it would take Kosova anyway for EU. You wait too, no EU for Serbia.

Top

pre 13 godina

"So this solution is the worse solution ever since Mitrovica as a city cannot be partitioned in the middle. You cannot have a border at the ibar river since it would not integreate people but segregate."
(Demi, 15 May 2011 13:03)

So what? What else but a segregation (from Serbia) was the goal of the 'indipindint Kosovo'? Berlin once even had a wall all around, partitioned in the very middle between the communist East Berlin and West Berlin. And to be realistic, Mitrovica is already partitioned and KFOR/EULEX has to control the bridges to prevent violence.

Jim

pre 13 godina

Sadly, as others have pointed out, I also don't think Pristina will take up this chacne to solve the issue once and for all in a way that at least shows modicum of fairness. It seems KAs would prefer to remain in limbo and outside EU and UN in order to be able to make a claim to be able dominate the north, rather than go for the win and lose a tiny piece of territory they will never control. Very stupid indeed!

To those who say that other areas must be included, this is not on the table - nor should it be. This is not about population swaps, per se. Even with a partition allowing the north to remain a full part of Serbia, which it traditionally was anyway, many Serbs will remain in the rest of Kosovo. Leaving aside the fact that only Presevo would appear to have an Albanian majority, if Pristina is will to offer Serb sovereignty to those areas as cantons then maybe those areas could also be on the table, but I don't thin they would want to do that. No, the deal is recognition for giving up something. Not recognition for a trade.

As for the KA argument that it sets a dangerous precedent, this is almost amusing in it's lack of self-awareness. The current situation sets a far more dangerous precedent.

lowe

pre 13 godina

"No to partition only if Serbia agrees to give to Kosovo Presheva, Mendvegja and Bujanovc.
(Mendo, 15 May 2011 13:18)"

Well, good luck trying to get Medveda to join "Kosova" -- the population is some 70% Serb there

lowe

pre 13 godina

"Finally a man who speaks sense. I don't like the idea of partition as much as the next man however I believe it to be the only practical solution. I've been saying for a long time Serbia should recognise the independence of Kosovo South of the Ibar River.
(Ian, UK, 15 May 2011 12:58)"

Definitely more sense than your own government who, with the Yankees, are the stauachest opponents of partition in their own self-interests.

"What's thisFinally, someone says something useful. Partition would solve all of the issues right away, and Serbia would probably recognize the Albanian Kosovo. Everyone would win. If only people would think practically instead of emotionally.
(Daniel, 15 May 2011 12:21)"

But London and the Yankees have no interest in any partition because:

1) They will no longer be able to continue to fish in troubled waters once the conflict between the Serbs and Albanians end.

2) Partition could spell trouble at home for themselves -- Scotland, Second Vermont Republic movement, American native Indians -- get the picture?

highduke

pre 13 godina

Pure orchestrated rhetoric, another TYPICAL Slavo-Orthodox ruse to make us appear divided before an increasingly weary Albanian & international public, much like we've seen before: last year's fake SPC schism, orchestrated spats between Lukashenko & Putin and Shmatko's phony cancelation of the S.Stream just prior to Putin's visit. The important thing is that NAIVE Albanian public buys it

BobD

pre 13 godina

Compromise is necessary but where does partition leave the Serbs in the south of the country and near Pristina?

Full civil rights and national autonomy within the country is vital.

Cganon

pre 13 godina

I dont think so.I mean for the time being and for a short period of time, yes, but soner rather than later the empire in decline will undoubtly have to abandon it´s torture-gulag "Bondsteel" and it´s local terrorist clients.

When that happens things will go back to normal and serbs will rule it´s southernmost province,all of it, as usual....

moris

pre 13 godina

For sure it is the best solution for both parties.
Kosovo will be member off UN etc ... and they will both get int the EU.
Bur since the K albanians want all for free this will not work.

Demi

pre 13 godina

No partiotion because then we would have to partition Macedonia and Montenegro also. So this solution is the worse solution ever since Mitrovica as a city cannot be partitioned in the middle. You cannot have a border at the ibar river since it would not integreate people but segregate.

CG

pre 13 godina

NO partition!
Dacic should be thrown out of office,these communists are continiuing with their tradition of selling away Serb land!
We will get whole of Kosovo back,it is only a question of time and patience!

BTW Montenegro cannot be compared to Macedonia,there live only 5% Albanians ,the vast majority of them in Ulcinj,while at the same time 20.000 Montenegrin Serbs live in and around Skadar which historically doesn`t belong to Albania but to Montenegro!

Daniel

pre 13 godina

Finally, someone says something useful. Partition would solve all of the issues right away, and Serbia would probably recognize the Albanian Kosovo. Everyone would win. If only people would think practically instead of emotionally.

Ian, UK

pre 13 godina

Finally a man who speaks sense. I don't like the idea of partition as much as the next man however I believe it to be the only practical solution. I've been saying for a long time Serbia should recognise the independence of Kosovo South of the Ibar River.

Dragan

pre 13 godina

No. No more German sponsored anti-Serbian policies where you can partition Kosovo, but can't partition Bosnia, Croatia, Montenegro, or Macedonia. According to the 'civilized West', Yugoslavia can be partitioned, and so can Serbia, but these other fake states can't. It's complete rubbish, and no Serb should buy it.
Partition you say, ok then, we get half of Bosnia, a quarter of Croatia, half of Montenegro including Herceg-Novi, and Kumanovo from Macedonia - THAT should be the Serbian response to any talk of partition of Kosovo.
Cheers!!

lowe

pre 13 godina

"No to partition only if Serbia agrees to give to Kosovo Presheva, Mendvegja and Bujanovc.
(Mendo, 15 May 2011 13:18)"

Well, good luck trying to get Medveda to join "Kosova" -- the population is some 70% Serb there

ANTIGONA

pre 13 godina

Why exactly would albanians want to give more of their territory to Serbia? Haven't albanians given enough land to the serbs by now?! Remember that till about 1874 (when over 200.000 albanians were driven out of their ancient lands and sent to Turkey) albanians lived all the up to Nish. As we all know these lands are nowadays occupied by the serbs. There is no way albanians are giving more land to Serbia. Serbs owe lands to albanians, not the other way around.

Demi

pre 13 godina

No partiotion because then we would have to partition Macedonia and Montenegro also. So this solution is the worse solution ever since Mitrovica as a city cannot be partitioned in the middle. You cannot have a border at the ibar river since it would not integreate people but segregate.

ben

pre 13 godina

Exchange of territories is the solution.

Anyhow, funny to hear how Serbs are ready to split "their" heart and soul... lol... Now that the Solomon’s trial in you are happy to split "you" soul and heart... give me a break..

Exchange of territories and mutual recognition.

The exchange will set a fear solution as it’s a give and take. Otherwise I don't understand why Serbs in Kosova or Bosnia cannot live within Kosova or Bosnia but Albanians in Macedonia should live in Macedonia????

8NH5QH

pre 13 godina

“If you want to be a part of the EU and have Serbia’s consent, but the way we started we won’t have a solution in the next 20 years,”

That's how long it would take Kosova anyway for EU. You wait too, no EU for Serbia.

CG

pre 13 godina

NO partition!
Dacic should be thrown out of office,these communists are continiuing with their tradition of selling away Serb land!
We will get whole of Kosovo back,it is only a question of time and patience!

BTW Montenegro cannot be compared to Macedonia,there live only 5% Albanians ,the vast majority of them in Ulcinj,while at the same time 20.000 Montenegrin Serbs live in and around Skadar which historically doesn`t belong to Albania but to Montenegro!

lowe

pre 13 godina

"Finally a man who speaks sense. I don't like the idea of partition as much as the next man however I believe it to be the only practical solution. I've been saying for a long time Serbia should recognise the independence of Kosovo South of the Ibar River.
(Ian, UK, 15 May 2011 12:58)"

Definitely more sense than your own government who, with the Yankees, are the stauachest opponents of partition in their own self-interests.

"What's thisFinally, someone says something useful. Partition would solve all of the issues right away, and Serbia would probably recognize the Albanian Kosovo. Everyone would win. If only people would think practically instead of emotionally.
(Daniel, 15 May 2011 12:21)"

But London and the Yankees have no interest in any partition because:

1) They will no longer be able to continue to fish in troubled waters once the conflict between the Serbs and Albanians end.

2) Partition could spell trouble at home for themselves -- Scotland, Second Vermont Republic movement, American native Indians -- get the picture?

Mitrovica

pre 13 godina

Some albanians in here are really funny, what will you albos do if Serbia get suport from UN !? fight for 7 % of Kosovo??? with what? you dont even have weapons...

Jim

pre 13 godina

Sadly, as others have pointed out, I also don't think Pristina will take up this chacne to solve the issue once and for all in a way that at least shows modicum of fairness. It seems KAs would prefer to remain in limbo and outside EU and UN in order to be able to make a claim to be able dominate the north, rather than go for the win and lose a tiny piece of territory they will never control. Very stupid indeed!

To those who say that other areas must be included, this is not on the table - nor should it be. This is not about population swaps, per se. Even with a partition allowing the north to remain a full part of Serbia, which it traditionally was anyway, many Serbs will remain in the rest of Kosovo. Leaving aside the fact that only Presevo would appear to have an Albanian majority, if Pristina is will to offer Serb sovereignty to those areas as cantons then maybe those areas could also be on the table, but I don't thin they would want to do that. No, the deal is recognition for giving up something. Not recognition for a trade.

As for the KA argument that it sets a dangerous precedent, this is almost amusing in it's lack of self-awareness. The current situation sets a far more dangerous precedent.

Anonymous

pre 13 godina

Although I believe that Kosovo is a part of Serbia, I do agree with some form of partition. However this partition should not be made only fro northern kosovo as a majority of Serbs and Serbian Cultural sites are south of the Ibar. I would also like to point out that when the 200,000 Serbian refugees move back to Kosovo, the ethnographic situation will be much different since many parts of kosovo will then have Serbian majorities. However, I have come with a plan that should satisfy both Serbia and the Kosovo Albanians interests.
Serbia should have 6 enclaves where Serbs live. They are:
1. Northern Kosovo (This includes Leposavic,Zvecan,Zubin Potok,Mitrovica)
2. Gracanica ( This includes the current Gracanica enclave with Gazimestan and the Serbian areas in Obilic and Kosovo Polje)
3. Sar Planina (This would include Strpce, southern Suva Reka, and the Southern Part of the Prizren municipality including the Serbian quarter of the city of prizren.)
4. Metohija (This would include the area west and south of the city of pec which would include Gorazdevac, the city of Bjelo Polje, and the Pec patriarchate. It would also include the northern part of Decani and would include the decani monastery.)
5. Ranilug/Novo Brdo ( This would include the municipality of Novo Brdo, Northern Gnjilane, and Ranilug in Kamenica.)
6. Partes/Klokot ( This would include Partes and Klokot municipalities)
In these six Serbian enclaves would live the entire Serbian population in Kosovo and this is where the Serbian refugees would be moved back to. These areas in Kosovo would function entirely as a part of Serbia, short of Serbian military presence in these areas so the Albanians are not provoked or threatened. The monasteries left out of the enclaves such as Gorioc, Budisavci, Devic, and Dolac would all be given a special status and be considered a part of Serbia. This is a good plan as Serbia would be keeping the major monasteries such as Gracanica, Decani, the Pec Patriarchate, Bogordica Ljeviska, the Archangels Monastery, and many more. Serbia would also be keeping Gazimestan, Prizren Kaljaja, and the Novo Brdo Fortress. The Serbian refugees from Kosovo would be able to move to these areas with a piece of mind. Serbia would also be able to move the 200,000 Serb refugees from krajina to these enclaves which would bring the total number of Serbs in Kosovo to 500,000+.
The Albanians would also be winners. Serbia would give the Albanians all of the mines in Kosovo and all of the major cities with the exception of Mitrovica remaining divided and the Serbian quarter of Prizren would remain a part of Serbia within the Sar Planina enclave. The Albanians would also receive full recognition of Sovereignty as a separate country from Serbia and the countries who have not recognized it. There would be complete freedom of movement in Kosovo and the Albanians in the Presevo municipality would be considered a Kosovo enclave and would be added to Kosovo. Kosovo would then not be blocked by Serbia into any organizations such as the EU or UN. Serbia would also pay reparations to the Kosovo Albanians for damage during the war as long as Albanians rebuilt the 150 monasteries burnt down after the war.
This is an excellent plan as the Serbs would be keeping all of their major monasteries and enclaves where Serbs already live so no one would be left out. The Albanian would keep all of their major cities, industrials centers, and mines. They would also receive recognition from Serbia and would join the EU and UN.

moris

pre 13 godina

For sure it is the best solution for both parties.
Kosovo will be member off UN etc ... and they will both get int the EU.
Bur since the K albanians want all for free this will not work.

Gojko

pre 13 godina

Is Dacic ready to divide vovjodina, Presovo, sandzak. This guy wants to start a pandorra box in his own country. Serbia will be a size of a peanut in 20-25 years! Let the auction begin. For sale by owner.... we will take your best offer, liquidation sale, all pieces of Serbian land must go asap.

metrod

pre 13 godina

"No. No more German sponsored anti-Serbian policies where you can partition Kosovo, but can't partition Bosnia, Croatia, Montenegro, or Macedonia. According to the 'civilized West', Yugoslavia can be partitioned, and so can Serbia, but these other fake states can't. It's complete rubbish, and no Serb should buy it.
Partition you say, ok then, we get half of Bosnia, a quarter of Croatia, half of Montenegro including Herceg-Novi, and Kumanovo from Macedonia - THAT should be the Serbian response to any talk of partition of Kosovo.
Cheers!!
Dragan"

- Yugoslavia was a country that shouldn't have been. Need we more proof that it's peoples can't live together?

Is it better to force these peoples to live together...we saw the Yugo experiment didn't work and resulted in wars.
Or is it better to swap territories and live in peace. Over time, business will bring people together and hatred will dissipate.

And, while you're at it why not partition countries like BH, Macedonia and Montenegro?

Top

pre 13 godina

"So this solution is the worse solution ever since Mitrovica as a city cannot be partitioned in the middle. You cannot have a border at the ibar river since it would not integreate people but segregate."
(Demi, 15 May 2011 13:03)

So what? What else but a segregation (from Serbia) was the goal of the 'indipindint Kosovo'? Berlin once even had a wall all around, partitioned in the very middle between the communist East Berlin and West Berlin. And to be realistic, Mitrovica is already partitioned and KFOR/EULEX has to control the bridges to prevent violence.

Bob

pre 13 godina

Can't be done, simply because the Pristina led authority needs the northern mines and minerals to support its regressing political life.

Conflict is coming whether one likes it or not...frustrations are rising and no more money left to control it.

What the EU has been scared off south of the Ibar river, regarding uprising communities is going to come true, maybe not this year, but the ghost of christmas past is coming to see EULEX.

EU should dissolve and stop making a laughing stock of itself via its US puppets.

ben

pre 13 godina

Does he mean land swap or does he mean cantononization since this is also a reference to enclaves in Kosovo's center and south? A step forward but I don't think Pristina will warm to the idea.
(Mike, 15 May 2011 16:29)

If land swap for some larger local autonomy is what he is referring then Prishtina should take the offer.

There are ppl talking about some mines in the north but many African countries are very rich in minerals yet very poor and on the other hand you have countries as Italy or Japan who have almost zero minerals but very developed economies. It is the culture, the science that makes you rich my dear K-Albanian compatriots. It is the aspirin that generates thousands times larger and safer income than 2 or 200 mines. Don’t be afraid of these things- the tomorrow will be bright for all of us if we all reach agreement that will please us all.

It's not worth and wise fighting with a neighbour over couple of mines. Those things can be solved also in partnership agreements- just create some kind of a joint venture company and negotiate the stakes in that company- who cares if the company will be based in Belgrade or Prishtina??

P.S. it seems like this proposal was sent to Prishtina by Stefanović just couple of days ago and some sort of positive feedback has been received (as Dacic wouldn't take the political risk to open almost officialy in solo such a hot topic ). Strange that just after 2 days of the mysterious (no agenda, no details revealed) visit of Stefanović, the number 2 of Serbia comes with this kind of a statement. I don't think it's a coincidence but rather a well planed and thought test balloon for the public opinions.

Daniel

pre 13 godina

Finally, someone says something useful. Partition would solve all of the issues right away, and Serbia would probably recognize the Albanian Kosovo. Everyone would win. If only people would think practically instead of emotionally.

Cganon

pre 13 godina

I dont think so.I mean for the time being and for a short period of time, yes, but soner rather than later the empire in decline will undoubtly have to abandon it´s torture-gulag "Bondsteel" and it´s local terrorist clients.

When that happens things will go back to normal and serbs will rule it´s southernmost province,all of it, as usual....

Demi

pre 13 godina

And to be realistic, Mitrovica is already partitioned and KFOR/EULEX has to control the bridges to prevent violence.
(Top, 15 May 2011 14:15)


Do you want that to be like that forever ?? Or isn't it better for the people to live and work together in their own common city ?? This can only happend in an independent Kosovo since Serbia as a regime is not welcomed in any part of Kosovo by the majory residents. This was shown by the protest when Stefanovic visited Kosovo.


Somthing that I would accept is exchange of people and let the borders be as they are. It is a primitive solution but at least an realistic solution!

Setting a border in the middle of a city sounds very unrealistic because sooner or later the people would want to cross that bridge to have a coffe or make buessnis. Would they have to cross a border to get to the opther side of the same city ?

Come on guys are we so primitive ??

Top

pre 13 godina

2) Partition could spell trouble at home for themselves -- Scotland, Second Vermont Republic movement, American native Indians -- get the picture? (lowe, 15 May 2011 14:53)

If you think this idea to an end, it was the 'indipindint Kosovo' project that already spelled 'trouble (and that's why 5 of the EU countries didn't recognize the UDI.

DX

pre 13 godina

No partiotion because then we would have to partition Macedonia and Montenegro..
(Demi, 15 May 2011 13:03)

U people realize that you are not member of UN, and that your borders are not final, they will be final when we get new UN resolution, by then u cant force serbs to acept your independence, YOU CAN'T! there was no legal border change. Serbia, Spain, Russia.. woud protect serbs in Kosovo if you try to force them to accept independence.

highduke

pre 13 godina

Pure orchestrated rhetoric, another TYPICAL Slavo-Orthodox ruse to make us appear divided before an increasingly weary Albanian & international public, much like we've seen before: last year's fake SPC schism, orchestrated spats between Lukashenko & Putin and Shmatko's phony cancelation of the S.Stream just prior to Putin's visit. The important thing is that NAIVE Albanian public buys it

Yves Saint Laurent

pre 13 godina

What Serbia needs to push for (if it worked in Serbia's interest before foreign ones) in these talks with the representatives of the Kosovo Albanians is for 3 conditions. The first, Serbian officers (through UNMIK if needed) have the right to guard any religious monastery or church throughout Kosovo. The churches are given a sort of Vatican status and do not answer to Pristina. The second then would be for Serbia to have complete control over 3 key points. Northern Kosovo, which lets face it is well beyond Pristina's reach, Gracanica & Strpce. At that point, any Serb not living in these 3 areas should end up moving there and that will finally be whats left of a Serbian Kosovo. These 3 parts would function entirely apart of Serbia. And then the 3rd stipulation would be for in all those areas.. for MUP officers in the North to be entirely active and for Serbs to take part in KFOR/UNMIK missions in Strpce & Gracanica to have defense for its people living there.

After this would be agreed upon (this should be Serbia's last offer and anything less would be a complete failure) setting up relations with the government in Pristina is the next logical step. The reality is they are there, and they have chosen a heroin trafficking group of individuals to be their voice. Fine, as long as they agree to Serbia's 3 stipulations there should be some form of relations. Several agreements should be signed that have to do with licensing, customs as well as a agreement of the free travel of people and goods between each stronghold. Serbia would have to then do everything short of recognizing the "Republic of Kosovo", setting up relations, allowing their presence at international meetings short of full U.N. membership.

This I see as the only way both Serbs & Albanians can move forward and try building a better future. If this however were the terms of an agreement, I would bet my last Euros that Northern Kosovo, Gracanica & Strpce will be the most advanced and modern parts of Kosovo which would probably enrage Albanians and could cause a war in the future. However, I don't think by then the Albanians would be so fortunate to have outside help and that would probably be the end of "Project Kosova". That is remained to be seen I suppose, but if K.Albs want to start some kind of membership talks with the EU they have to be able to negotiate and compromise. And if Serbia cares first what interests for its people are, before the interests of Brussels, London & Washington then they will defiantly set those demands. I would even go a step further and actually ask BRIC to form their own mission in the Serbian parts of Kosovo to "establish rule of law". This of course cannot happen if empire viceroys occupy Belgrade.

Tung

tim

pre 13 godina

Leave the situation as it is for a couple of years. Support the Serbs in Kosovo economicaly encourage new settlment and watch the hysteria and desperation of the K albs grow.
Time is on Serbia's side.

Bilbao

pre 13 godina

No. No more German sponsored anti-Serbian policies where you can partition Kosovo, but can't partition Bosnia, Croatia, Montenegro, or Macedonia. According to the 'civilized West', Yugoslavia can be partitioned, and so can Serbia, but these other fake states can't. It's complete rubbish, and no Serb should buy it.
Partition you say, ok then, we get half of Bosnia, a quarter of Croatia, half of Montenegro including Herceg-Novi, and Kumanovo from Macedonia - THAT should be the Serbian response to any talk of partition of Kosovo.
Cheers!!
(Dragan, 15 May 2011 18:09)

Dragan this is Milosevic politics all Yugoslav wars were done so Serbia has huge part of Yugoslavia and beloved Sea. No u are land locked and u wont have exit in Adritic sea as this is Serbian dream even beofre yugoslavia.

But sorry you wont get that you got a big blow when Montenegro split and they are on way to NATO and EU and u wont touch it.

I agree north to be a canton of Kosovo with KFOR protection but no Serbian Military presence since that would not allow K-albaninas to live on those parts freely.

USA/UK wont give up Trepca that was for long time under UK control its like giving Russia or Greece a present which would be sold like Nis petrol. France has been fighting for a peace as well sorry this is a done deal and even u will see when privatization of Trepca happen in next 18 months.

Sterpc is being sold to German/Swiss company as a ski resort remember this in coming month.

Serbia has a loosing hand you are too late with this proposal it was put in place before atasari plan but it was rejected.

Lets see what happens in coming months but Croatia just closed last chapters for EU and Serbias only solution is that look what would happen to greece if not in EU and had to borrow from IMF it would fall flat only reason is they are part of EU they are saved.

Look if Serbia had so much pull it would push for harder solution in Bosnia this is war for dominance in Balkans between Russia and US/EU nothing to do with Serbs/Bosninas/Albanians all are being used as pawns in a big chess game.

Dodik fell on his ass even with full Russian backing if Serbia was where Ukrain was with territory then yes but where it stand to big of buffer. Bonsteel in Turkish hands to increase influence over Bosnia and Sandjak which will gain autonomy in Serbia.

FREEDOM

pre 13 godina

Only a individual (or institute, country, ...) who talks of division knows he has lost the fight.

This is very last and only option they have when losing a battle and what to grab something out of the fire. But be aware: "you will burn your fingers".

Let me be very clear about this issue:

"NO PARTITION WHATSOEVER!"

And to add something else, we (Kosova) will gladly take the Preseve Valley into Kosova.

Tung

Mark

pre 13 godina

The important thing is that NAIVE Albanian public buys it
(highduke, 15 May 2011 14:46)

Dude you are to naive to understand what is really going on.Stick to the mighty of S.Stream.That is the only thing you know.

Ian, UK

pre 13 godina

Finally a man who speaks sense. I don't like the idea of partition as much as the next man however I believe it to be the only practical solution. I've been saying for a long time Serbia should recognise the independence of Kosovo South of the Ibar River.

Mike

pre 13 godina

Well they're finally saying it officially - at least Dacic is. Makes sense since Belgrade had full designs on, not to mention has had full control of, the north since 1999. But what seems interesting is Dacic saying “I think that the only realistic solution is that places where Serbs live stay in Serbia and that the other part where the Albanians live secedes. This is the only realistic way that can lead us to a quick solution.”

Does he mean land swap or does he mean cantononization since this is also a reference to enclaves in Kosovo's center and south? A step forward but I don't think Pristina will warm to the idea.

James

pre 13 godina

I say we let the albanians, sorry, kosovars have the periphery of kosovo. After all, what does a muslim nation need all our churches and monasteries for? Give them the parts nowhere near SPC property, and they should end up with a 'nation' shaped like a crescent! They'll LOVE it! And the holy heart of Kosovo remains as it should be, a part of Serbia. When do I get my Nobel Peace Prize?

Top

pre 13 godina

"Do you want that to be like that forever ?? Or isn't it better for the people to live and work together in their own common city ?? This can only happend in an independent Kosovo since Serbia as a regime is not welcomed in any part of Kosovo by the majory residents. This was shown by the protest when Stefanovic visited Kosovo."

And the Pristina regime (this word fits somehow better to the election faking Kosovo prime minister than to the correctly and democratically elected Serbian government) is not welcome in Northern Kosovo.


"Setting a border in the middle of a city sounds very unrealistic because sooner or later the people would want to cross that bridge to have a coffe or make buessnis. Would they have to cross a border to get to the opther side of the same city ?

Come on guys are we so primitive ??"
(Demi, 15 May 2011 17:38)

Not my words, but yes, it seems like the Balkan people are so primitive. While the EU countries grow together, borders are removed, and people can travel freely in whole Schengen zone, the people in ex-YU prefer to split up into several mini-states, introducing new borders, own languages, create trouble about recognizing custom stamps and number plates on cars, and ban people from visiting their home towns.

Jovan

pre 13 godina

there could be several reasons why once again a serbian official is being quoted with this stupid nonsense about partition. you cannot divide what is entirely serbian.

there is no room for making presents to the Albanians. it is serbian territory. fullstop.

those attempts to chose the easy way out look very much like this old Milosevic-ally wants to present himself as a certain kind of pragmatic, reasonable politician.

no.

no partition at all.


if necessary, we will wait even 40 years, and then we will liberate our southern province. but there is no such thing like a partition. all those who are commenting it as if that was a reasonable, "unemotional" approach make a mistake.

the opposite is right. it is unemotional to say no to any kind of partition or other solution that gives in to albanian terrorism. don´t forget the socalled kla is a terrorist organisation, remember the only intelligent sentence ever heard by Richard Holbrooke, backyard junkdogs or so...

it is rather emotional to try to go the easy way, to give in to their criminal attempt to seize serbian territory by violent means.

no, that is no option.

Dragan, Toronto (now in Beograd)

pre 13 godina

Partition of Kosovo-Metohija is a reality on the ground as we speak. North of Ibar piece along with enclaves do not effectively function correctly, however they do not follow Pristina at all. That is the reality. The end result, which many politicians will tell you privately, rather than speak publically is - gradual "Partition" and gradual "relocating and resettling of peoples." Within a decade or two, once the flames and passions die down, the result will be the area/chunk of Ibar and north as the Serbian boundary and south as some Kosovo Albanian federation with parts of Albania and FYR Maedonia...sad but true.

BobD

pre 13 godina

Compromise is necessary but where does partition leave the Serbs in the south of the country and near Pristina?

Full civil rights and national autonomy within the country is vital.

gjon fusha

pre 13 godina

Some albanians in here are really funny, what will you albos do if Serbia get suport from UN !? fight for 7 % of Kosovo??? with what? you dont even have weapons...
(Mitrovica, 15 May 2011 22:12)

Some albanians in here may sound funny to you. But I just like to point out that this Interior Minister is funnier.
Last time we fought you we had less arms and we did win. So please don't mention it, because is not about arms. And if is about them I assure you there will be no more Serbia.
If you do not know how to behave as civilized, go learn first and then you use you're computer to talk politics.

Anonymous

pre 13 godina

@Demi
I won't need to dream on when the 200,000 Serbs move back to Kosovo and Serbia controls 30% of kosovos territory of which it controls about 20% now.

lowe

pre 13 godina

"And to add something else, we (Kosova) will gladly take the Preseve Valley into Kosova.

Tung
(FREEDOM, 16 May 2011 10:15) "

And obviously you expect the Yankees to do it for you, right? Because you don't have the means (military or financial) to do this on your own. Talk about living in la la land! http://www.federalbudget.com/

CG

pre 13 godina

(Jovan, 16 May 2011 01:51)

Absolutely right,Jovan!
I think this situation can be compared to the appeasement policy of the UK towards Nazi Germany:
If you give in to the agresssor he will only become more agressive (albanians dreaming of Nis which they of course never will get etc.)!
There needs to be a line drawn into the sand which says:
Until here and not one centimetre further!
Despite the bragging of the Albanian nationalists about how they will conquer whole Balkans and other nonsense we have to see the reality:
Without massive Western support they are an absolute joke and will fall and run from the Serbian forces like they did in March 1999 and more important:
They are isolated,Kosovo is still de jure part of Serbia,it won`t get into NATO,EU and Serbs in Northern Mitrovica have established themselves and form 95% there they are,so they are secure for the moment!
The West is getting weaker and weaker,while Russia and China (which will become the no1 economy in 2015)are getting stronger and stronger:

Our position right now is very good and we should make no deals,Dacic should be thrown out!
The democrats(aka old Communists have created the whole problem in 1945 with not getting rid of the Albanians like the Greeks got rid of them in the Epirus region,and in 1974 they even rewarded them with autonomy!)are the gravediggers of Serbia,they will and must be pushed out of government immediately!
The solution of the Kosovo problem in Serbia`s favour requires only patience and endurence,nothing else!

ANTIGONA

pre 13 godina

@"CG"
It's funny how you draw parallels between albanians and nazis, yet you're the one saying things like "..they (i.e. albanians)will fall and run from the Serbian forces like they did in March 1999...". Face it, you have no historical rights on Kosovo (nor Nish or other Albanian land for that matter). If you had historical rights you wouldnt have done any ethnic cleansing.

Now, I didn't say that albanians are going to "conquer" Nish, but I cant guarantee you that the 6 million albanians living in Turkey one day won't come back to their homeland. In this case I hardly think they would need the help from Kosovo or Albania because many polticians in Turkey today have Albanian origins and not the least many generals, soldiers and military pilots of the Turkish army are Albanians by blood, such as İlker Baºbuğ.

As for Kosovo, the serbs can come back there, but ONLY those that lived there before. Not serbs from parts of Croatia, Bosnia or other serbs which have never even set a foot in Kosovo before (I believe this is Serbia's plan though). At the same time Albanians need to, and will come back to their homes in northern Kosovo, especially in northern Mitrovica. So eventually northern Kosovo will not be 95 % serbs as you want to.

benzo

pre 13 godina

the balkans has a great chance to fix these "un-natural" borders they have been living with for centuries!! ok lets split kosovo and preshevo but also BiH, montenegro, macedonia and if we are gonna get real even some parts of vojvodina too!! if all sides lived on whats seen as their majority land and borders reflected that,.. wouldnt we have a much better balkans?? now the albanians and serbians would gain most from such changes but isnt that better then this game being played in most countries of the region? greater albania and greater serbia may be the answer but not the easiest to make happen

Cganon

pre 13 godina

I dont think so.I mean for the time being and for a short period of time, yes, but soner rather than later the empire in decline will undoubtly have to abandon it´s torture-gulag "Bondsteel" and it´s local terrorist clients.

When that happens things will go back to normal and serbs will rule it´s southernmost province,all of it, as usual....

CG

pre 13 godina

NO partition!
Dacic should be thrown out of office,these communists are continiuing with their tradition of selling away Serb land!
We will get whole of Kosovo back,it is only a question of time and patience!

BTW Montenegro cannot be compared to Macedonia,there live only 5% Albanians ,the vast majority of them in Ulcinj,while at the same time 20.000 Montenegrin Serbs live in and around Skadar which historically doesn`t belong to Albania but to Montenegro!

Daniel

pre 13 godina

Finally, someone says something useful. Partition would solve all of the issues right away, and Serbia would probably recognize the Albanian Kosovo. Everyone would win. If only people would think practically instead of emotionally.

moris

pre 13 godina

For sure it is the best solution for both parties.
Kosovo will be member off UN etc ... and they will both get int the EU.
Bur since the K albanians want all for free this will not work.

highduke

pre 13 godina

Pure orchestrated rhetoric, another TYPICAL Slavo-Orthodox ruse to make us appear divided before an increasingly weary Albanian & international public, much like we've seen before: last year's fake SPC schism, orchestrated spats between Lukashenko & Putin and Shmatko's phony cancelation of the S.Stream just prior to Putin's visit. The important thing is that NAIVE Albanian public buys it

Ian, UK

pre 13 godina

Finally a man who speaks sense. I don't like the idea of partition as much as the next man however I believe it to be the only practical solution. I've been saying for a long time Serbia should recognise the independence of Kosovo South of the Ibar River.

Jim

pre 13 godina

Sadly, as others have pointed out, I also don't think Pristina will take up this chacne to solve the issue once and for all in a way that at least shows modicum of fairness. It seems KAs would prefer to remain in limbo and outside EU and UN in order to be able to make a claim to be able dominate the north, rather than go for the win and lose a tiny piece of territory they will never control. Very stupid indeed!

To those who say that other areas must be included, this is not on the table - nor should it be. This is not about population swaps, per se. Even with a partition allowing the north to remain a full part of Serbia, which it traditionally was anyway, many Serbs will remain in the rest of Kosovo. Leaving aside the fact that only Presevo would appear to have an Albanian majority, if Pristina is will to offer Serb sovereignty to those areas as cantons then maybe those areas could also be on the table, but I don't thin they would want to do that. No, the deal is recognition for giving up something. Not recognition for a trade.

As for the KA argument that it sets a dangerous precedent, this is almost amusing in it's lack of self-awareness. The current situation sets a far more dangerous precedent.

Top

pre 13 godina

2) Partition could spell trouble at home for themselves -- Scotland, Second Vermont Republic movement, American native Indians -- get the picture? (lowe, 15 May 2011 14:53)

If you think this idea to an end, it was the 'indipindint Kosovo' project that already spelled 'trouble (and that's why 5 of the EU countries didn't recognize the UDI.

lowe

pre 13 godina

"Finally a man who speaks sense. I don't like the idea of partition as much as the next man however I believe it to be the only practical solution. I've been saying for a long time Serbia should recognise the independence of Kosovo South of the Ibar River.
(Ian, UK, 15 May 2011 12:58)"

Definitely more sense than your own government who, with the Yankees, are the stauachest opponents of partition in their own self-interests.

"What's thisFinally, someone says something useful. Partition would solve all of the issues right away, and Serbia would probably recognize the Albanian Kosovo. Everyone would win. If only people would think practically instead of emotionally.
(Daniel, 15 May 2011 12:21)"

But London and the Yankees have no interest in any partition because:

1) They will no longer be able to continue to fish in troubled waters once the conflict between the Serbs and Albanians end.

2) Partition could spell trouble at home for themselves -- Scotland, Second Vermont Republic movement, American native Indians -- get the picture?

ANTIGONA

pre 13 godina

Why exactly would albanians want to give more of their territory to Serbia? Haven't albanians given enough land to the serbs by now?! Remember that till about 1874 (when over 200.000 albanians were driven out of their ancient lands and sent to Turkey) albanians lived all the up to Nish. As we all know these lands are nowadays occupied by the serbs. There is no way albanians are giving more land to Serbia. Serbs owe lands to albanians, not the other way around.

Demi

pre 13 godina

No partiotion because then we would have to partition Macedonia and Montenegro also. So this solution is the worse solution ever since Mitrovica as a city cannot be partitioned in the middle. You cannot have a border at the ibar river since it would not integreate people but segregate.

ben

pre 13 godina

Exchange of territories is the solution.

Anyhow, funny to hear how Serbs are ready to split "their" heart and soul... lol... Now that the Solomon’s trial in you are happy to split "you" soul and heart... give me a break..

Exchange of territories and mutual recognition.

The exchange will set a fear solution as it’s a give and take. Otherwise I don't understand why Serbs in Kosova or Bosnia cannot live within Kosova or Bosnia but Albanians in Macedonia should live in Macedonia????

Top

pre 13 godina

"So this solution is the worse solution ever since Mitrovica as a city cannot be partitioned in the middle. You cannot have a border at the ibar river since it would not integreate people but segregate."
(Demi, 15 May 2011 13:03)

So what? What else but a segregation (from Serbia) was the goal of the 'indipindint Kosovo'? Berlin once even had a wall all around, partitioned in the very middle between the communist East Berlin and West Berlin. And to be realistic, Mitrovica is already partitioned and KFOR/EULEX has to control the bridges to prevent violence.

Dragan

pre 13 godina

No. No more German sponsored anti-Serbian policies where you can partition Kosovo, but can't partition Bosnia, Croatia, Montenegro, or Macedonia. According to the 'civilized West', Yugoslavia can be partitioned, and so can Serbia, but these other fake states can't. It's complete rubbish, and no Serb should buy it.
Partition you say, ok then, we get half of Bosnia, a quarter of Croatia, half of Montenegro including Herceg-Novi, and Kumanovo from Macedonia - THAT should be the Serbian response to any talk of partition of Kosovo.
Cheers!!

Anonymous

pre 13 godina

Although I believe that Kosovo is a part of Serbia, I do agree with some form of partition. However this partition should not be made only fro northern kosovo as a majority of Serbs and Serbian Cultural sites are south of the Ibar. I would also like to point out that when the 200,000 Serbian refugees move back to Kosovo, the ethnographic situation will be much different since many parts of kosovo will then have Serbian majorities. However, I have come with a plan that should satisfy both Serbia and the Kosovo Albanians interests.
Serbia should have 6 enclaves where Serbs live. They are:
1. Northern Kosovo (This includes Leposavic,Zvecan,Zubin Potok,Mitrovica)
2. Gracanica ( This includes the current Gracanica enclave with Gazimestan and the Serbian areas in Obilic and Kosovo Polje)
3. Sar Planina (This would include Strpce, southern Suva Reka, and the Southern Part of the Prizren municipality including the Serbian quarter of the city of prizren.)
4. Metohija (This would include the area west and south of the city of pec which would include Gorazdevac, the city of Bjelo Polje, and the Pec patriarchate. It would also include the northern part of Decani and would include the decani monastery.)
5. Ranilug/Novo Brdo ( This would include the municipality of Novo Brdo, Northern Gnjilane, and Ranilug in Kamenica.)
6. Partes/Klokot ( This would include Partes and Klokot municipalities)
In these six Serbian enclaves would live the entire Serbian population in Kosovo and this is where the Serbian refugees would be moved back to. These areas in Kosovo would function entirely as a part of Serbia, short of Serbian military presence in these areas so the Albanians are not provoked or threatened. The monasteries left out of the enclaves such as Gorioc, Budisavci, Devic, and Dolac would all be given a special status and be considered a part of Serbia. This is a good plan as Serbia would be keeping the major monasteries such as Gracanica, Decani, the Pec Patriarchate, Bogordica Ljeviska, the Archangels Monastery, and many more. Serbia would also be keeping Gazimestan, Prizren Kaljaja, and the Novo Brdo Fortress. The Serbian refugees from Kosovo would be able to move to these areas with a piece of mind. Serbia would also be able to move the 200,000 Serb refugees from krajina to these enclaves which would bring the total number of Serbs in Kosovo to 500,000+.
The Albanians would also be winners. Serbia would give the Albanians all of the mines in Kosovo and all of the major cities with the exception of Mitrovica remaining divided and the Serbian quarter of Prizren would remain a part of Serbia within the Sar Planina enclave. The Albanians would also receive full recognition of Sovereignty as a separate country from Serbia and the countries who have not recognized it. There would be complete freedom of movement in Kosovo and the Albanians in the Presevo municipality would be considered a Kosovo enclave and would be added to Kosovo. Kosovo would then not be blocked by Serbia into any organizations such as the EU or UN. Serbia would also pay reparations to the Kosovo Albanians for damage during the war as long as Albanians rebuilt the 150 monasteries burnt down after the war.
This is an excellent plan as the Serbs would be keeping all of their major monasteries and enclaves where Serbs already live so no one would be left out. The Albanian would keep all of their major cities, industrials centers, and mines. They would also receive recognition from Serbia and would join the EU and UN.

lowe

pre 13 godina

"No to partition only if Serbia agrees to give to Kosovo Presheva, Mendvegja and Bujanovc.
(Mendo, 15 May 2011 13:18)"

Well, good luck trying to get Medveda to join "Kosova" -- the population is some 70% Serb there

BobD

pre 13 godina

Compromise is necessary but where does partition leave the Serbs in the south of the country and near Pristina?

Full civil rights and national autonomy within the country is vital.

Gojko

pre 13 godina

Is Dacic ready to divide vovjodina, Presovo, sandzak. This guy wants to start a pandorra box in his own country. Serbia will be a size of a peanut in 20-25 years! Let the auction begin. For sale by owner.... we will take your best offer, liquidation sale, all pieces of Serbian land must go asap.

DX

pre 13 godina

No partiotion because then we would have to partition Macedonia and Montenegro..
(Demi, 15 May 2011 13:03)

U people realize that you are not member of UN, and that your borders are not final, they will be final when we get new UN resolution, by then u cant force serbs to acept your independence, YOU CAN'T! there was no legal border change. Serbia, Spain, Russia.. woud protect serbs in Kosovo if you try to force them to accept independence.

Top

pre 13 godina

"Do you want that to be like that forever ?? Or isn't it better for the people to live and work together in their own common city ?? This can only happend in an independent Kosovo since Serbia as a regime is not welcomed in any part of Kosovo by the majory residents. This was shown by the protest when Stefanovic visited Kosovo."

And the Pristina regime (this word fits somehow better to the election faking Kosovo prime minister than to the correctly and democratically elected Serbian government) is not welcome in Northern Kosovo.


"Setting a border in the middle of a city sounds very unrealistic because sooner or later the people would want to cross that bridge to have a coffe or make buessnis. Would they have to cross a border to get to the opther side of the same city ?

Come on guys are we so primitive ??"
(Demi, 15 May 2011 17:38)

Not my words, but yes, it seems like the Balkan people are so primitive. While the EU countries grow together, borders are removed, and people can travel freely in whole Schengen zone, the people in ex-YU prefer to split up into several mini-states, introducing new borders, own languages, create trouble about recognizing custom stamps and number plates on cars, and ban people from visiting their home towns.

James

pre 13 godina

I say we let the albanians, sorry, kosovars have the periphery of kosovo. After all, what does a muslim nation need all our churches and monasteries for? Give them the parts nowhere near SPC property, and they should end up with a 'nation' shaped like a crescent! They'll LOVE it! And the holy heart of Kosovo remains as it should be, a part of Serbia. When do I get my Nobel Peace Prize?

Bob

pre 13 godina

Can't be done, simply because the Pristina led authority needs the northern mines and minerals to support its regressing political life.

Conflict is coming whether one likes it or not...frustrations are rising and no more money left to control it.

What the EU has been scared off south of the Ibar river, regarding uprising communities is going to come true, maybe not this year, but the ghost of christmas past is coming to see EULEX.

EU should dissolve and stop making a laughing stock of itself via its US puppets.

Bilbao

pre 13 godina

No. No more German sponsored anti-Serbian policies where you can partition Kosovo, but can't partition Bosnia, Croatia, Montenegro, or Macedonia. According to the 'civilized West', Yugoslavia can be partitioned, and so can Serbia, but these other fake states can't. It's complete rubbish, and no Serb should buy it.
Partition you say, ok then, we get half of Bosnia, a quarter of Croatia, half of Montenegro including Herceg-Novi, and Kumanovo from Macedonia - THAT should be the Serbian response to any talk of partition of Kosovo.
Cheers!!
(Dragan, 15 May 2011 18:09)

Dragan this is Milosevic politics all Yugoslav wars were done so Serbia has huge part of Yugoslavia and beloved Sea. No u are land locked and u wont have exit in Adritic sea as this is Serbian dream even beofre yugoslavia.

But sorry you wont get that you got a big blow when Montenegro split and they are on way to NATO and EU and u wont touch it.

I agree north to be a canton of Kosovo with KFOR protection but no Serbian Military presence since that would not allow K-albaninas to live on those parts freely.

USA/UK wont give up Trepca that was for long time under UK control its like giving Russia or Greece a present which would be sold like Nis petrol. France has been fighting for a peace as well sorry this is a done deal and even u will see when privatization of Trepca happen in next 18 months.

Sterpc is being sold to German/Swiss company as a ski resort remember this in coming month.

Serbia has a loosing hand you are too late with this proposal it was put in place before atasari plan but it was rejected.

Lets see what happens in coming months but Croatia just closed last chapters for EU and Serbias only solution is that look what would happen to greece if not in EU and had to borrow from IMF it would fall flat only reason is they are part of EU they are saved.

Look if Serbia had so much pull it would push for harder solution in Bosnia this is war for dominance in Balkans between Russia and US/EU nothing to do with Serbs/Bosninas/Albanians all are being used as pawns in a big chess game.

Dodik fell on his ass even with full Russian backing if Serbia was where Ukrain was with territory then yes but where it stand to big of buffer. Bonsteel in Turkish hands to increase influence over Bosnia and Sandjak which will gain autonomy in Serbia.

gjon fusha

pre 13 godina

Some albanians in here are really funny, what will you albos do if Serbia get suport from UN !? fight for 7 % of Kosovo??? with what? you dont even have weapons...
(Mitrovica, 15 May 2011 22:12)

Some albanians in here may sound funny to you. But I just like to point out that this Interior Minister is funnier.
Last time we fought you we had less arms and we did win. So please don't mention it, because is not about arms. And if is about them I assure you there will be no more Serbia.
If you do not know how to behave as civilized, go learn first and then you use you're computer to talk politics.

Dragan, Toronto (now in Beograd)

pre 13 godina

Partition of Kosovo-Metohija is a reality on the ground as we speak. North of Ibar piece along with enclaves do not effectively function correctly, however they do not follow Pristina at all. That is the reality. The end result, which many politicians will tell you privately, rather than speak publically is - gradual "Partition" and gradual "relocating and resettling of peoples." Within a decade or two, once the flames and passions die down, the result will be the area/chunk of Ibar and north as the Serbian boundary and south as some Kosovo Albanian federation with parts of Albania and FYR Maedonia...sad but true.

8NH5QH

pre 13 godina

“If you want to be a part of the EU and have Serbia’s consent, but the way we started we won’t have a solution in the next 20 years,”

That's how long it would take Kosova anyway for EU. You wait too, no EU for Serbia.

Yves Saint Laurent

pre 13 godina

What Serbia needs to push for (if it worked in Serbia's interest before foreign ones) in these talks with the representatives of the Kosovo Albanians is for 3 conditions. The first, Serbian officers (through UNMIK if needed) have the right to guard any religious monastery or church throughout Kosovo. The churches are given a sort of Vatican status and do not answer to Pristina. The second then would be for Serbia to have complete control over 3 key points. Northern Kosovo, which lets face it is well beyond Pristina's reach, Gracanica & Strpce. At that point, any Serb not living in these 3 areas should end up moving there and that will finally be whats left of a Serbian Kosovo. These 3 parts would function entirely apart of Serbia. And then the 3rd stipulation would be for in all those areas.. for MUP officers in the North to be entirely active and for Serbs to take part in KFOR/UNMIK missions in Strpce & Gracanica to have defense for its people living there.

After this would be agreed upon (this should be Serbia's last offer and anything less would be a complete failure) setting up relations with the government in Pristina is the next logical step. The reality is they are there, and they have chosen a heroin trafficking group of individuals to be their voice. Fine, as long as they agree to Serbia's 3 stipulations there should be some form of relations. Several agreements should be signed that have to do with licensing, customs as well as a agreement of the free travel of people and goods between each stronghold. Serbia would have to then do everything short of recognizing the "Republic of Kosovo", setting up relations, allowing their presence at international meetings short of full U.N. membership.

This I see as the only way both Serbs & Albanians can move forward and try building a better future. If this however were the terms of an agreement, I would bet my last Euros that Northern Kosovo, Gracanica & Strpce will be the most advanced and modern parts of Kosovo which would probably enrage Albanians and could cause a war in the future. However, I don't think by then the Albanians would be so fortunate to have outside help and that would probably be the end of "Project Kosova". That is remained to be seen I suppose, but if K.Albs want to start some kind of membership talks with the EU they have to be able to negotiate and compromise. And if Serbia cares first what interests for its people are, before the interests of Brussels, London & Washington then they will defiantly set those demands. I would even go a step further and actually ask BRIC to form their own mission in the Serbian parts of Kosovo to "establish rule of law". This of course cannot happen if empire viceroys occupy Belgrade.

Tung

tim

pre 13 godina

Leave the situation as it is for a couple of years. Support the Serbs in Kosovo economicaly encourage new settlment and watch the hysteria and desperation of the K albs grow.
Time is on Serbia's side.

Mitrovica

pre 13 godina

Some albanians in here are really funny, what will you albos do if Serbia get suport from UN !? fight for 7 % of Kosovo??? with what? you dont even have weapons...

Anonymous

pre 13 godina

@Demi
I won't need to dream on when the 200,000 Serbs move back to Kosovo and Serbia controls 30% of kosovos territory of which it controls about 20% now.

Demi

pre 13 godina

And to be realistic, Mitrovica is already partitioned and KFOR/EULEX has to control the bridges to prevent violence.
(Top, 15 May 2011 14:15)


Do you want that to be like that forever ?? Or isn't it better for the people to live and work together in their own common city ?? This can only happend in an independent Kosovo since Serbia as a regime is not welcomed in any part of Kosovo by the majory residents. This was shown by the protest when Stefanovic visited Kosovo.


Somthing that I would accept is exchange of people and let the borders be as they are. It is a primitive solution but at least an realistic solution!

Setting a border in the middle of a city sounds very unrealistic because sooner or later the people would want to cross that bridge to have a coffe or make buessnis. Would they have to cross a border to get to the opther side of the same city ?

Come on guys are we so primitive ??

FREEDOM

pre 13 godina

Only a individual (or institute, country, ...) who talks of division knows he has lost the fight.

This is very last and only option they have when losing a battle and what to grab something out of the fire. But be aware: "you will burn your fingers".

Let me be very clear about this issue:

"NO PARTITION WHATSOEVER!"

And to add something else, we (Kosova) will gladly take the Preseve Valley into Kosova.

Tung

Mike

pre 13 godina

Well they're finally saying it officially - at least Dacic is. Makes sense since Belgrade had full designs on, not to mention has had full control of, the north since 1999. But what seems interesting is Dacic saying “I think that the only realistic solution is that places where Serbs live stay in Serbia and that the other part where the Albanians live secedes. This is the only realistic way that can lead us to a quick solution.”

Does he mean land swap or does he mean cantononization since this is also a reference to enclaves in Kosovo's center and south? A step forward but I don't think Pristina will warm to the idea.

ben

pre 13 godina

Does he mean land swap or does he mean cantononization since this is also a reference to enclaves in Kosovo's center and south? A step forward but I don't think Pristina will warm to the idea.
(Mike, 15 May 2011 16:29)

If land swap for some larger local autonomy is what he is referring then Prishtina should take the offer.

There are ppl talking about some mines in the north but many African countries are very rich in minerals yet very poor and on the other hand you have countries as Italy or Japan who have almost zero minerals but very developed economies. It is the culture, the science that makes you rich my dear K-Albanian compatriots. It is the aspirin that generates thousands times larger and safer income than 2 or 200 mines. Don’t be afraid of these things- the tomorrow will be bright for all of us if we all reach agreement that will please us all.

It's not worth and wise fighting with a neighbour over couple of mines. Those things can be solved also in partnership agreements- just create some kind of a joint venture company and negotiate the stakes in that company- who cares if the company will be based in Belgrade or Prishtina??

P.S. it seems like this proposal was sent to Prishtina by Stefanović just couple of days ago and some sort of positive feedback has been received (as Dacic wouldn't take the political risk to open almost officialy in solo such a hot topic ). Strange that just after 2 days of the mysterious (no agenda, no details revealed) visit of Stefanović, the number 2 of Serbia comes with this kind of a statement. I don't think it's a coincidence but rather a well planed and thought test balloon for the public opinions.

Mark

pre 13 godina

The important thing is that NAIVE Albanian public buys it
(highduke, 15 May 2011 14:46)

Dude you are to naive to understand what is really going on.Stick to the mighty of S.Stream.That is the only thing you know.

Jovan

pre 13 godina

there could be several reasons why once again a serbian official is being quoted with this stupid nonsense about partition. you cannot divide what is entirely serbian.

there is no room for making presents to the Albanians. it is serbian territory. fullstop.

those attempts to chose the easy way out look very much like this old Milosevic-ally wants to present himself as a certain kind of pragmatic, reasonable politician.

no.

no partition at all.


if necessary, we will wait even 40 years, and then we will liberate our southern province. but there is no such thing like a partition. all those who are commenting it as if that was a reasonable, "unemotional" approach make a mistake.

the opposite is right. it is unemotional to say no to any kind of partition or other solution that gives in to albanian terrorism. don´t forget the socalled kla is a terrorist organisation, remember the only intelligent sentence ever heard by Richard Holbrooke, backyard junkdogs or so...

it is rather emotional to try to go the easy way, to give in to their criminal attempt to seize serbian territory by violent means.

no, that is no option.

metrod

pre 13 godina

"No. No more German sponsored anti-Serbian policies where you can partition Kosovo, but can't partition Bosnia, Croatia, Montenegro, or Macedonia. According to the 'civilized West', Yugoslavia can be partitioned, and so can Serbia, but these other fake states can't. It's complete rubbish, and no Serb should buy it.
Partition you say, ok then, we get half of Bosnia, a quarter of Croatia, half of Montenegro including Herceg-Novi, and Kumanovo from Macedonia - THAT should be the Serbian response to any talk of partition of Kosovo.
Cheers!!
Dragan"

- Yugoslavia was a country that shouldn't have been. Need we more proof that it's peoples can't live together?

Is it better to force these peoples to live together...we saw the Yugo experiment didn't work and resulted in wars.
Or is it better to swap territories and live in peace. Over time, business will bring people together and hatred will dissipate.

And, while you're at it why not partition countries like BH, Macedonia and Montenegro?

ANTIGONA

pre 13 godina

@"CG"
It's funny how you draw parallels between albanians and nazis, yet you're the one saying things like "..they (i.e. albanians)will fall and run from the Serbian forces like they did in March 1999...". Face it, you have no historical rights on Kosovo (nor Nish or other Albanian land for that matter). If you had historical rights you wouldnt have done any ethnic cleansing.

Now, I didn't say that albanians are going to "conquer" Nish, but I cant guarantee you that the 6 million albanians living in Turkey one day won't come back to their homeland. In this case I hardly think they would need the help from Kosovo or Albania because many polticians in Turkey today have Albanian origins and not the least many generals, soldiers and military pilots of the Turkish army are Albanians by blood, such as İlker Baºbuğ.

As for Kosovo, the serbs can come back there, but ONLY those that lived there before. Not serbs from parts of Croatia, Bosnia or other serbs which have never even set a foot in Kosovo before (I believe this is Serbia's plan though). At the same time Albanians need to, and will come back to their homes in northern Kosovo, especially in northern Mitrovica. So eventually northern Kosovo will not be 95 % serbs as you want to.

CG

pre 13 godina

(Jovan, 16 May 2011 01:51)

Absolutely right,Jovan!
I think this situation can be compared to the appeasement policy of the UK towards Nazi Germany:
If you give in to the agresssor he will only become more agressive (albanians dreaming of Nis which they of course never will get etc.)!
There needs to be a line drawn into the sand which says:
Until here and not one centimetre further!
Despite the bragging of the Albanian nationalists about how they will conquer whole Balkans and other nonsense we have to see the reality:
Without massive Western support they are an absolute joke and will fall and run from the Serbian forces like they did in March 1999 and more important:
They are isolated,Kosovo is still de jure part of Serbia,it won`t get into NATO,EU and Serbs in Northern Mitrovica have established themselves and form 95% there they are,so they are secure for the moment!
The West is getting weaker and weaker,while Russia and China (which will become the no1 economy in 2015)are getting stronger and stronger:

Our position right now is very good and we should make no deals,Dacic should be thrown out!
The democrats(aka old Communists have created the whole problem in 1945 with not getting rid of the Albanians like the Greeks got rid of them in the Epirus region,and in 1974 they even rewarded them with autonomy!)are the gravediggers of Serbia,they will and must be pushed out of government immediately!
The solution of the Kosovo problem in Serbia`s favour requires only patience and endurence,nothing else!

lowe

pre 13 godina

"And to add something else, we (Kosova) will gladly take the Preseve Valley into Kosova.

Tung
(FREEDOM, 16 May 2011 10:15) "

And obviously you expect the Yankees to do it for you, right? Because you don't have the means (military or financial) to do this on your own. Talk about living in la la land! http://www.federalbudget.com/

benzo

pre 13 godina

the balkans has a great chance to fix these "un-natural" borders they have been living with for centuries!! ok lets split kosovo and preshevo but also BiH, montenegro, macedonia and if we are gonna get real even some parts of vojvodina too!! if all sides lived on whats seen as their majority land and borders reflected that,.. wouldnt we have a much better balkans?? now the albanians and serbians would gain most from such changes but isnt that better then this game being played in most countries of the region? greater albania and greater serbia may be the answer but not the easiest to make happen