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Thaci to release names of Marty’s helpers

Hashim Thaci has announced that he will publish a list of Albanians who helped Dick Marty write the report which accuses him of organ trafficking in Kosovo.

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justhetruth

pre 13 godina

So Serbs are thinking still Albanians are dumb or no education or experience of intelligence or anything comes to you that's but hey you are so wrong for almost 60 years since Rankovic time and always you will be wrong,will lies life will never get nowhere

Wim Roffel

pre 13 godina

My guess is that Thaci is thinking forward. If the West decides to have a prosecutor to start an official criminal investigation he wants to be sure it leads nowhere. Marty mentioned in his report that he took extensive precautions to protect the identities of some of his witnesses and here is Thaci bragging that he will expose them. Is there a better way to show that future Western guarantees will be worthless and to encourage people not to testify?

EULEX has been threatened too. The recent attack on the car of James Albrecht - head of the department that works on corruption and organized crime - seems to show that Kosovo's criminal elite is getting bolder in defending its interests.

zotiben

pre 13 godina

Honestly we knew this is going to happen.
We knew we have to deal with a strong enemy,we knew we have to deal with big diplomats,we knew Serbs do like everything related to wars, we knew we can not count on Serbian word,we knew there is no trust on Serbs.
What the hell are we trying to fix with them,We have to separate for real,let them enjoy their country and let us get together with the rest of Albanians,anyway I honestly do not like to see a single Serbian in Kosovo no matter where the Kosovo border will "end".Albanian brothers we can not trust Serbs and you all know that.
No BESA with Serbians,they know they are not to be trusted.

Daniel

pre 13 godina

Thaci's actions are proving Marty correct. He's releasing the names which will threaten the lives of the individuals cooperating with Marty, and that's precisely what Marty said regarding carrying out investigations in Kosovo. It's made hard because of witness intimidation. Thank you Thaci for providing more evidence against you, and in a very public forum that even Albanians cannot deny exists.

Peggy

pre 13 godina

Thaci is hoping someone will rid him of these "pests".
What other purpose is there in releasing the names than making them for death?

johny

pre 13 godina

Olli, frankly I could care less whether you're sick or not. I am not your doctor and I don't care how you feel. If you're still sick call 911 or get an aspirin or some robitussin or whatever.

"Johny that was a good attempt at avoiding the question.

But if you don't want to answer it. I will tell you something you will know to be true. If there is a witch hunt on those Albanians that assisted in the report in some way it will set back democracy in Kosovo. "

-- bganon, apparently you haven't bothered reading my post. You simply hit the reply button to express your disagreement. The whole point was that for as long as Marti fails to provide evidence to the public, the UNSC, EULEX, the Hague or any international institution his report is simply a witch hunt. As such he leaves the door open to others to make use of it, and launch their own witch hunts. Serbia is launching its own witch hunt because it hasn't bothered even requesting one single prestigious international institution for immediate investigations, while it claims it has been sitting on piles of evidence for a decade. Evidence that Serbia has failed to provide to UNSC, EULEX etc. for years and years. Instead of action it is too preoccupied with triumphal news titles. If a EU bureaucrat launches a witch hunt (shows no evidence whatsoever), if Serbia launches its own witch hunt (no evidence whatsoever, no action whatsoever), then what is to stop Thaci from launching his own witch hunt? Why would Thaci's actions be so surprising to you when you are clearly not bothered by any other witch hunt? How is Thaci saying he has the names and proof of the people collaborating with Marti but he doesn't want to show it, any different than Serbia and Marti saying they have proof against Thaci but they don't wanna show it or do anything about it?

"Is this a price worth paying? I don't think so, it will just be used as a way to silence opposition to certain political leaders in Kosovo. You must realise this. "

-- If you're realizing that then you're clearly not realizing the bigger picture. What is to stop tomorrow, say someone like Doris Pack (using her for the sake of argument) to come up with a report that states that all the Serb leaders have personally killed Bosnian children (theres a picture of Kustunica shooting an AK-47 if you google it) but she does not want to show any evidence; she's done this through reports from secret services of country X; that all the witnesses have disappeared and that her job is done? Clearly if these people who have immunity are not held responsible for their actions, and for their own reports then they can wreak havoc and even cause wars on a whole region and destroy millions of lives, let alone the democracy of a small land like Kosova. The point is that while Thaci's statement is deplorable and wrong, it is even more deplorable and dangerous when you have EU bureaucrats come up with reports and allegations and then refuse to show any evidence for it and hide behind the immunity EU institutions allow for them. Every one that holds such high positions should be held responsible. If you have evidence for your report you should release it. If you don't have evidence and you write such reports then you're the lowest scum of the earth and Thaci stand's tall many levels above you. As an Eurocrat a baseless report written by you can bring to the verge of war many countries in the Balkans. As a PM of a country that relies on EU and NATO your baseless reports may be damaging to you and your country. So when we talk in terms of scale a EUrocat is dangerous to the well being of many countries if he makes allegations that are not based on evidence. Thaci is dangerous to one country. There is a huge difference of scale.

"In a way I feel really bad that the Kosovo status question 'contaminates' almost everything else there."

-- You should feel the same about Serbia. Just open B92 and weep. Just about anything in Serbia is tied with Kosova.

"For the love of god we have to come to the table, marginalise the lunatics and enable the people of Kosovo to move forward."

-- Start requesting at the UNSC a thorough investigation. Then you have a preamble to change in your constitution. Then we may actually start to believe you.

robby

pre 13 godina

Threat, intimidation, kill.

That is the only policy, Thaci understands.
And its Kosovo policy if he stays as president.

Choose another way, Kosovo, otherwise you will have no future in Europe.

Agim Kelmendi

pre 13 godina

The fact how the conversation happened was a sure sign, there is somewhat deeply rotten in that place.
(Ataman, 26 December 2010 03:31)

Look who is talking. I think I have seen your pic sitting on your butt , wearing a fur hat and big canon between your legs trying to keep away Manchurians from invading Russia. That was great,I laught my a** off.

Olli

pre 13 godina

johny,

With you I only need to be very short: your reply to bganon's question made me feel sick, literally.

How about the other Albanians? What's going on? Did Dick Marty manage to undress Thaci's civilized suit, tie and white collar shirt to show us the monster under disguise?

dht

pre 13 godina

"Thaci to release names of Marty’s helpers"

... because he is a dictator.

A real democrat would try to disprove the evidence provided by the Marty´s report.

A real democrat would not put the witness´lifes at risk.

Ataman

pre 13 godina

Seriously though, Kos Albanians do you support this? And why?
(bganon, 25 December 2010 16:21)

The ones you ask sure, do - but they are mostly bitter immigrants. I talked to many people in Kosovo and the usual opinion about Thaçi and his practices is very low and there is very rarely anything against Serbia as whole.

On some occasions my conversation partners excused them self for Albanians as whole. But they, sure, did it silently and firmly knowing, where I am originally from, not being a "usual" American.

The fact how the conversation happened was a sure sign, there is somewhat deeply rotten in that place.

bganon

pre 13 godina

Johny that was a good attempt at avoiding the question.

But if you don't want to answer it. I will tell you something you will know to be true. If there is a witch hunt on those Albanians that assisted in the report in some way it will set back democracy in Kosovo.

Is this a price worth paying? I don't think so, it will just be used as a way to silence opposition to certain political leaders in Kosovo. You must realise this.

In a way I feel really bad that the Kosovo status question 'contaminates' almost everything else there.

For the love of god we have to come to the table, marginalise the lunatics and enable the people of Kosovo to move forward.

Smitty

pre 13 godina

Thaci is going to release a list of names of people who helped Marty? That sounds like a death list to me! Those poor Albanian souls had better pack their donkeys and head across the border to Montenegro fast, before the Albanian mobs lynch them.

Incredible that a so called "head of state" of a country trying to enter the EU can resort to using such terror tactics to intimidate witnesses. Sorry, I forgot. Thaci was the leader of the terrorist KLA.

Top

pre 13 godina

"and added that “there have been attempts to release the report, which seriously damaged Kosovo’s reputation, before the elections in Kosovo on December 12”."

What would it have changed? Nothing at all! His supporters wouldn't have believed it, anyway. For many others it wouldn't have been an obstacle to vote for Thaci again. And for the rest, well, there's the good old election fraud, threatening of voters, manipulating the ballots and so on...

The Swiss

pre 13 godina

Absolutely! There would be no hiding place for Dick Marty....even he he claims immunity. Only God has got immunity!
(EA, 25 December 2010 17:24)

Do "funny" comments have immunity ?

johny

pre 13 godina

Great, inspire a lynch mob why don't you?

Funny, that tactic seems familiar, ah yes the accusation that appears in the report stating that elements of Thaci's KLA organised revenge against those named as cooperating with Serbs.

That part of the report, can't have been true, could it?

Seriously though, Kos Albanians do you support this? And why?
(bganon, 25 December 2010 16:21)

bganon, this is what happens when a charlatan releases allegations and accusations and refuses to deliver the evidence. Remember, Marty is not a tabloid journalist (well at least officially he is not); and as such any report written by him, that fails to provide evidence has consequences and equals abuse of power on his part. I for one would be perfectly ok with his report if I knew for example that instead of withholding evidence he claims to have; he releases it to the UNSC, or EULEX so that investigations could finally start. His failure to provide any shred of evidence at all is an open invitation for those who want to use his fairy tales and tabloid stories for political gains. Along with Belgrade, one of those who can make use of it for political gains is Thaci. If you don't mind Belgrade using Dick's tabloids for political gains than you should have no problem when Thaci does the same. If by now you're not shocked that Belgrade has not taken one single action on this issue; then you should have no problem at all with Thaci's actions. By the looks of it most of the Serbs here have no problem whatsoever with Belgrade's total apathy over this issue and Belgrade's political exploitation of Dick's tabloids. Then you should have no problem with Thaci's political exploitation of the same tabloids. The point being; that when charlatans like Dick, Tadic, Jeremic, and Thaci are in power expect the unexpected. One says this guy did this but I don't wanna show proof of it; the other says that's terrible but I don't wanna do anything about it, while he who is accused says that if you accuse me and don't show any proof and if you don't feel like doing anything about it, I will take this story and use it to my advantage. Expect a lot of this crap for as long no evidence is released and no concrete action is taken towards an investigation.

Top

pre 13 godina

"If Thaci lived in a different century Dick Marty would not be with us after the malicious lies, that's why Thaci and others will try the legal route first."

"The falsely accused, their extended families and friends have every moral right to approach Dick in person and ask for evidence. "
(Achilles, 25 December 2010 19:18)

Look at the word "first" in the first sentence. Interesting, eh? What will follow? Guess what! And "a moral reach to approach someone in person"?
Some people in Kosovo still have to learn how justice (and a fair election, too, btw.) works in a democracy. They have A LOT to learn, it seems.

michael

pre 13 godina

sounds like a hit list for the albanian mafia is about to be released. and the west supports this troll and its followers. appalling.

Achilles

pre 13 godina

"Shocking, this criminal lives in a different century and has NO intention whatsoever to have the truth being uncovered!! "
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If Thaci lived in a different century Dick Marty would not be with us after the malicious lies, that's why Thaci and others will try the legal route first. Now, we all agree that no one is above the law. People have to /will be responsible for their actions one way or another. If Dick Marty told the truth he should not worry, in my opinion, but if he lied, no man-given immunity will shield him. Everyone knows that too. The falsely accused, their extended families and friends have every moral right to approach Dick in person and ask for evidence.

Btw, everyone knows where Marty got the info about corruption from, that's no secret. As for 'organ trading' no sane person believes them.

Top

pre 13 godina

Yes, let's open the witch hunt! That's how justice works in Thaci Kingdom... oops, I mean in the independent, democratic dream state of the 'young Europeans'

Roger7

pre 13 godina

"Hashim Thaci has announced that he will publish a list of Albanians who helped Dick Marty write the report which accuses him of organ trafficking in Kosovo."

His name, "The Snake" is well-deserved!

The Swiss

pre 13 godina

Shocking, this criminal lives in a different century and has NO intention whatsoever to have the truth being uncovered!!
What not stating immediately "the hunt on collorators is open"
Bganon is right to ask if the k-albs approve and support this ??

Logic

pre 13 godina

Great. And the list is going to be very, very long, since is going to include the names of all Albanians who do not support him thus represent an obstacle to his political existence.This is an open invitation to any rotten rat to "whisper" any name into designated ear because some body's donkey made "that" pile on the path he walked on such and such day. This is an golden opportunity that cannot be missed. There must be a way to include in the list also the names of all remaining Serbs in Kosovo. Mission accomplished.

EA

pre 13 godina

Justice for all, immunity for none.
(Ummmm, 25 December 2010 16:52

Absolutely! There would be no hiding place for Dick Marty....even he he claims immunity. Only God has got immunity!

Steve JP

pre 13 godina

Thaci is a liar. He said he would cooperate with an investigation into illict organ trafficking. He said that he has nothing to hide. But to decide to publish the names of Albanians listed in Dick Marty's confidential report is not to cooperate with the investigation; it is to stonewall the investigation by allowing extreme harm, death, or disappearance to strike at those Albanians by angry KLAists and thereby end any more information for investigators to follow up; to study; to vertify.

Ummmm

pre 13 godina

But I thought he was going to kill Florim Krasniqovic and friends?

Thaci and justice should only focus on Dick Marty's punishment for the heinous lies. Justice for all, immunity for none.

lids

pre 13 godina

So-once again he shows that he has no problem having blood on his hands, by publishing the names of albanians who are helping he counts on retaliaton.
Once agin his timing is his demise..

bganon

pre 13 godina

Great, inspire a lynch mob why don't you?

Funny, that tactic seems familiar, ah yes the accusation that appears in the report stating that elements of Thaci's KLA organised revenge against those named as cooperating with Serbs.

That part of the report, can't have been true, could it?

Seriously though, Kos Albanians do you support this? And why?

bganon

pre 13 godina

Great, inspire a lynch mob why don't you?

Funny, that tactic seems familiar, ah yes the accusation that appears in the report stating that elements of Thaci's KLA organised revenge against those named as cooperating with Serbs.

That part of the report, can't have been true, could it?

Seriously though, Kos Albanians do you support this? And why?

The Swiss

pre 13 godina

Shocking, this criminal lives in a different century and has NO intention whatsoever to have the truth being uncovered!!
What not stating immediately "the hunt on collorators is open"
Bganon is right to ask if the k-albs approve and support this ??

lids

pre 13 godina

So-once again he shows that he has no problem having blood on his hands, by publishing the names of albanians who are helping he counts on retaliaton.
Once agin his timing is his demise..

Steve JP

pre 13 godina

Thaci is a liar. He said he would cooperate with an investigation into illict organ trafficking. He said that he has nothing to hide. But to decide to publish the names of Albanians listed in Dick Marty's confidential report is not to cooperate with the investigation; it is to stonewall the investigation by allowing extreme harm, death, or disappearance to strike at those Albanians by angry KLAists and thereby end any more information for investigators to follow up; to study; to vertify.

Top

pre 13 godina

Yes, let's open the witch hunt! That's how justice works in Thaci Kingdom... oops, I mean in the independent, democratic dream state of the 'young Europeans'

Roger7

pre 13 godina

"Hashim Thaci has announced that he will publish a list of Albanians who helped Dick Marty write the report which accuses him of organ trafficking in Kosovo."

His name, "The Snake" is well-deserved!

bganon

pre 13 godina

Johny that was a good attempt at avoiding the question.

But if you don't want to answer it. I will tell you something you will know to be true. If there is a witch hunt on those Albanians that assisted in the report in some way it will set back democracy in Kosovo.

Is this a price worth paying? I don't think so, it will just be used as a way to silence opposition to certain political leaders in Kosovo. You must realise this.

In a way I feel really bad that the Kosovo status question 'contaminates' almost everything else there.

For the love of god we have to come to the table, marginalise the lunatics and enable the people of Kosovo to move forward.

Logic

pre 13 godina

Great. And the list is going to be very, very long, since is going to include the names of all Albanians who do not support him thus represent an obstacle to his political existence.This is an open invitation to any rotten rat to "whisper" any name into designated ear because some body's donkey made "that" pile on the path he walked on such and such day. This is an golden opportunity that cannot be missed. There must be a way to include in the list also the names of all remaining Serbs in Kosovo. Mission accomplished.

Top

pre 13 godina

"If Thaci lived in a different century Dick Marty would not be with us after the malicious lies, that's why Thaci and others will try the legal route first."

"The falsely accused, their extended families and friends have every moral right to approach Dick in person and ask for evidence. "
(Achilles, 25 December 2010 19:18)

Look at the word "first" in the first sentence. Interesting, eh? What will follow? Guess what! And "a moral reach to approach someone in person"?
Some people in Kosovo still have to learn how justice (and a fair election, too, btw.) works in a democracy. They have A LOT to learn, it seems.

michael

pre 13 godina

sounds like a hit list for the albanian mafia is about to be released. and the west supports this troll and its followers. appalling.

Smitty

pre 13 godina

Thaci is going to release a list of names of people who helped Marty? That sounds like a death list to me! Those poor Albanian souls had better pack their donkeys and head across the border to Montenegro fast, before the Albanian mobs lynch them.

Incredible that a so called "head of state" of a country trying to enter the EU can resort to using such terror tactics to intimidate witnesses. Sorry, I forgot. Thaci was the leader of the terrorist KLA.

The Swiss

pre 13 godina

Absolutely! There would be no hiding place for Dick Marty....even he he claims immunity. Only God has got immunity!
(EA, 25 December 2010 17:24)

Do "funny" comments have immunity ?

dht

pre 13 godina

"Thaci to release names of Marty’s helpers"

... because he is a dictator.

A real democrat would try to disprove the evidence provided by the Marty´s report.

A real democrat would not put the witness´lifes at risk.

Olli

pre 13 godina

johny,

With you I only need to be very short: your reply to bganon's question made me feel sick, literally.

How about the other Albanians? What's going on? Did Dick Marty manage to undress Thaci's civilized suit, tie and white collar shirt to show us the monster under disguise?

robby

pre 13 godina

Threat, intimidation, kill.

That is the only policy, Thaci understands.
And its Kosovo policy if he stays as president.

Choose another way, Kosovo, otherwise you will have no future in Europe.

Daniel

pre 13 godina

Thaci's actions are proving Marty correct. He's releasing the names which will threaten the lives of the individuals cooperating with Marty, and that's precisely what Marty said regarding carrying out investigations in Kosovo. It's made hard because of witness intimidation. Thank you Thaci for providing more evidence against you, and in a very public forum that even Albanians cannot deny exists.

Top

pre 13 godina

"and added that “there have been attempts to release the report, which seriously damaged Kosovo’s reputation, before the elections in Kosovo on December 12”."

What would it have changed? Nothing at all! His supporters wouldn't have believed it, anyway. For many others it wouldn't have been an obstacle to vote for Thaci again. And for the rest, well, there's the good old election fraud, threatening of voters, manipulating the ballots and so on...

Ataman

pre 13 godina

Seriously though, Kos Albanians do you support this? And why?
(bganon, 25 December 2010 16:21)

The ones you ask sure, do - but they are mostly bitter immigrants. I talked to many people in Kosovo and the usual opinion about Thaçi and his practices is very low and there is very rarely anything against Serbia as whole.

On some occasions my conversation partners excused them self for Albanians as whole. But they, sure, did it silently and firmly knowing, where I am originally from, not being a "usual" American.

The fact how the conversation happened was a sure sign, there is somewhat deeply rotten in that place.

Agim Kelmendi

pre 13 godina

The fact how the conversation happened was a sure sign, there is somewhat deeply rotten in that place.
(Ataman, 26 December 2010 03:31)

Look who is talking. I think I have seen your pic sitting on your butt , wearing a fur hat and big canon between your legs trying to keep away Manchurians from invading Russia. That was great,I laught my a** off.

Ummmm

pre 13 godina

But I thought he was going to kill Florim Krasniqovic and friends?

Thaci and justice should only focus on Dick Marty's punishment for the heinous lies. Justice for all, immunity for none.

EA

pre 13 godina

Justice for all, immunity for none.
(Ummmm, 25 December 2010 16:52

Absolutely! There would be no hiding place for Dick Marty....even he he claims immunity. Only God has got immunity!

Achilles

pre 13 godina

"Shocking, this criminal lives in a different century and has NO intention whatsoever to have the truth being uncovered!! "
/////////
If Thaci lived in a different century Dick Marty would not be with us after the malicious lies, that's why Thaci and others will try the legal route first. Now, we all agree that no one is above the law. People have to /will be responsible for their actions one way or another. If Dick Marty told the truth he should not worry, in my opinion, but if he lied, no man-given immunity will shield him. Everyone knows that too. The falsely accused, their extended families and friends have every moral right to approach Dick in person and ask for evidence.

Btw, everyone knows where Marty got the info about corruption from, that's no secret. As for 'organ trading' no sane person believes them.

Peggy

pre 13 godina

Thaci is hoping someone will rid him of these "pests".
What other purpose is there in releasing the names than making them for death?

johny

pre 13 godina

Great, inspire a lynch mob why don't you?

Funny, that tactic seems familiar, ah yes the accusation that appears in the report stating that elements of Thaci's KLA organised revenge against those named as cooperating with Serbs.

That part of the report, can't have been true, could it?

Seriously though, Kos Albanians do you support this? And why?
(bganon, 25 December 2010 16:21)

bganon, this is what happens when a charlatan releases allegations and accusations and refuses to deliver the evidence. Remember, Marty is not a tabloid journalist (well at least officially he is not); and as such any report written by him, that fails to provide evidence has consequences and equals abuse of power on his part. I for one would be perfectly ok with his report if I knew for example that instead of withholding evidence he claims to have; he releases it to the UNSC, or EULEX so that investigations could finally start. His failure to provide any shred of evidence at all is an open invitation for those who want to use his fairy tales and tabloid stories for political gains. Along with Belgrade, one of those who can make use of it for political gains is Thaci. If you don't mind Belgrade using Dick's tabloids for political gains than you should have no problem when Thaci does the same. If by now you're not shocked that Belgrade has not taken one single action on this issue; then you should have no problem at all with Thaci's actions. By the looks of it most of the Serbs here have no problem whatsoever with Belgrade's total apathy over this issue and Belgrade's political exploitation of Dick's tabloids. Then you should have no problem with Thaci's political exploitation of the same tabloids. The point being; that when charlatans like Dick, Tadic, Jeremic, and Thaci are in power expect the unexpected. One says this guy did this but I don't wanna show proof of it; the other says that's terrible but I don't wanna do anything about it, while he who is accused says that if you accuse me and don't show any proof and if you don't feel like doing anything about it, I will take this story and use it to my advantage. Expect a lot of this crap for as long no evidence is released and no concrete action is taken towards an investigation.

johny

pre 13 godina

Olli, frankly I could care less whether you're sick or not. I am not your doctor and I don't care how you feel. If you're still sick call 911 or get an aspirin or some robitussin or whatever.

"Johny that was a good attempt at avoiding the question.

But if you don't want to answer it. I will tell you something you will know to be true. If there is a witch hunt on those Albanians that assisted in the report in some way it will set back democracy in Kosovo. "

-- bganon, apparently you haven't bothered reading my post. You simply hit the reply button to express your disagreement. The whole point was that for as long as Marti fails to provide evidence to the public, the UNSC, EULEX, the Hague or any international institution his report is simply a witch hunt. As such he leaves the door open to others to make use of it, and launch their own witch hunts. Serbia is launching its own witch hunt because it hasn't bothered even requesting one single prestigious international institution for immediate investigations, while it claims it has been sitting on piles of evidence for a decade. Evidence that Serbia has failed to provide to UNSC, EULEX etc. for years and years. Instead of action it is too preoccupied with triumphal news titles. If a EU bureaucrat launches a witch hunt (shows no evidence whatsoever), if Serbia launches its own witch hunt (no evidence whatsoever, no action whatsoever), then what is to stop Thaci from launching his own witch hunt? Why would Thaci's actions be so surprising to you when you are clearly not bothered by any other witch hunt? How is Thaci saying he has the names and proof of the people collaborating with Marti but he doesn't want to show it, any different than Serbia and Marti saying they have proof against Thaci but they don't wanna show it or do anything about it?

"Is this a price worth paying? I don't think so, it will just be used as a way to silence opposition to certain political leaders in Kosovo. You must realise this. "

-- If you're realizing that then you're clearly not realizing the bigger picture. What is to stop tomorrow, say someone like Doris Pack (using her for the sake of argument) to come up with a report that states that all the Serb leaders have personally killed Bosnian children (theres a picture of Kustunica shooting an AK-47 if you google it) but she does not want to show any evidence; she's done this through reports from secret services of country X; that all the witnesses have disappeared and that her job is done? Clearly if these people who have immunity are not held responsible for their actions, and for their own reports then they can wreak havoc and even cause wars on a whole region and destroy millions of lives, let alone the democracy of a small land like Kosova. The point is that while Thaci's statement is deplorable and wrong, it is even more deplorable and dangerous when you have EU bureaucrats come up with reports and allegations and then refuse to show any evidence for it and hide behind the immunity EU institutions allow for them. Every one that holds such high positions should be held responsible. If you have evidence for your report you should release it. If you don't have evidence and you write such reports then you're the lowest scum of the earth and Thaci stand's tall many levels above you. As an Eurocrat a baseless report written by you can bring to the verge of war many countries in the Balkans. As a PM of a country that relies on EU and NATO your baseless reports may be damaging to you and your country. So when we talk in terms of scale a EUrocat is dangerous to the well being of many countries if he makes allegations that are not based on evidence. Thaci is dangerous to one country. There is a huge difference of scale.

"In a way I feel really bad that the Kosovo status question 'contaminates' almost everything else there."

-- You should feel the same about Serbia. Just open B92 and weep. Just about anything in Serbia is tied with Kosova.

"For the love of god we have to come to the table, marginalise the lunatics and enable the people of Kosovo to move forward."

-- Start requesting at the UNSC a thorough investigation. Then you have a preamble to change in your constitution. Then we may actually start to believe you.

zotiben

pre 13 godina

Honestly we knew this is going to happen.
We knew we have to deal with a strong enemy,we knew we have to deal with big diplomats,we knew Serbs do like everything related to wars, we knew we can not count on Serbian word,we knew there is no trust on Serbs.
What the hell are we trying to fix with them,We have to separate for real,let them enjoy their country and let us get together with the rest of Albanians,anyway I honestly do not like to see a single Serbian in Kosovo no matter where the Kosovo border will "end".Albanian brothers we can not trust Serbs and you all know that.
No BESA with Serbians,they know they are not to be trusted.

Wim Roffel

pre 13 godina

My guess is that Thaci is thinking forward. If the West decides to have a prosecutor to start an official criminal investigation he wants to be sure it leads nowhere. Marty mentioned in his report that he took extensive precautions to protect the identities of some of his witnesses and here is Thaci bragging that he will expose them. Is there a better way to show that future Western guarantees will be worthless and to encourage people not to testify?

EULEX has been threatened too. The recent attack on the car of James Albrecht - head of the department that works on corruption and organized crime - seems to show that Kosovo's criminal elite is getting bolder in defending its interests.

justhetruth

pre 13 godina

So Serbs are thinking still Albanians are dumb or no education or experience of intelligence or anything comes to you that's but hey you are so wrong for almost 60 years since Rankovic time and always you will be wrong,will lies life will never get nowhere

Achilles

pre 13 godina

"Shocking, this criminal lives in a different century and has NO intention whatsoever to have the truth being uncovered!! "
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If Thaci lived in a different century Dick Marty would not be with us after the malicious lies, that's why Thaci and others will try the legal route first. Now, we all agree that no one is above the law. People have to /will be responsible for their actions one way or another. If Dick Marty told the truth he should not worry, in my opinion, but if he lied, no man-given immunity will shield him. Everyone knows that too. The falsely accused, their extended families and friends have every moral right to approach Dick in person and ask for evidence.

Btw, everyone knows where Marty got the info about corruption from, that's no secret. As for 'organ trading' no sane person believes them.

EA

pre 13 godina

Justice for all, immunity for none.
(Ummmm, 25 December 2010 16:52

Absolutely! There would be no hiding place for Dick Marty....even he he claims immunity. Only God has got immunity!

Ummmm

pre 13 godina

But I thought he was going to kill Florim Krasniqovic and friends?

Thaci and justice should only focus on Dick Marty's punishment for the heinous lies. Justice for all, immunity for none.

johny

pre 13 godina

Great, inspire a lynch mob why don't you?

Funny, that tactic seems familiar, ah yes the accusation that appears in the report stating that elements of Thaci's KLA organised revenge against those named as cooperating with Serbs.

That part of the report, can't have been true, could it?

Seriously though, Kos Albanians do you support this? And why?
(bganon, 25 December 2010 16:21)

bganon, this is what happens when a charlatan releases allegations and accusations and refuses to deliver the evidence. Remember, Marty is not a tabloid journalist (well at least officially he is not); and as such any report written by him, that fails to provide evidence has consequences and equals abuse of power on his part. I for one would be perfectly ok with his report if I knew for example that instead of withholding evidence he claims to have; he releases it to the UNSC, or EULEX so that investigations could finally start. His failure to provide any shred of evidence at all is an open invitation for those who want to use his fairy tales and tabloid stories for political gains. Along with Belgrade, one of those who can make use of it for political gains is Thaci. If you don't mind Belgrade using Dick's tabloids for political gains than you should have no problem when Thaci does the same. If by now you're not shocked that Belgrade has not taken one single action on this issue; then you should have no problem at all with Thaci's actions. By the looks of it most of the Serbs here have no problem whatsoever with Belgrade's total apathy over this issue and Belgrade's political exploitation of Dick's tabloids. Then you should have no problem with Thaci's political exploitation of the same tabloids. The point being; that when charlatans like Dick, Tadic, Jeremic, and Thaci are in power expect the unexpected. One says this guy did this but I don't wanna show proof of it; the other says that's terrible but I don't wanna do anything about it, while he who is accused says that if you accuse me and don't show any proof and if you don't feel like doing anything about it, I will take this story and use it to my advantage. Expect a lot of this crap for as long no evidence is released and no concrete action is taken towards an investigation.

Agim Kelmendi

pre 13 godina

The fact how the conversation happened was a sure sign, there is somewhat deeply rotten in that place.
(Ataman, 26 December 2010 03:31)

Look who is talking. I think I have seen your pic sitting on your butt , wearing a fur hat and big canon between your legs trying to keep away Manchurians from invading Russia. That was great,I laught my a** off.

bganon

pre 13 godina

Great, inspire a lynch mob why don't you?

Funny, that tactic seems familiar, ah yes the accusation that appears in the report stating that elements of Thaci's KLA organised revenge against those named as cooperating with Serbs.

That part of the report, can't have been true, could it?

Seriously though, Kos Albanians do you support this? And why?

Smitty

pre 13 godina

Thaci is going to release a list of names of people who helped Marty? That sounds like a death list to me! Those poor Albanian souls had better pack their donkeys and head across the border to Montenegro fast, before the Albanian mobs lynch them.

Incredible that a so called "head of state" of a country trying to enter the EU can resort to using such terror tactics to intimidate witnesses. Sorry, I forgot. Thaci was the leader of the terrorist KLA.

lids

pre 13 godina

So-once again he shows that he has no problem having blood on his hands, by publishing the names of albanians who are helping he counts on retaliaton.
Once agin his timing is his demise..

dht

pre 13 godina

"Thaci to release names of Marty’s helpers"

... because he is a dictator.

A real democrat would try to disprove the evidence provided by the Marty´s report.

A real democrat would not put the witness´lifes at risk.

Ataman

pre 13 godina

Seriously though, Kos Albanians do you support this? And why?
(bganon, 25 December 2010 16:21)

The ones you ask sure, do - but they are mostly bitter immigrants. I talked to many people in Kosovo and the usual opinion about Thaçi and his practices is very low and there is very rarely anything against Serbia as whole.

On some occasions my conversation partners excused them self for Albanians as whole. But they, sure, did it silently and firmly knowing, where I am originally from, not being a "usual" American.

The fact how the conversation happened was a sure sign, there is somewhat deeply rotten in that place.

Steve JP

pre 13 godina

Thaci is a liar. He said he would cooperate with an investigation into illict organ trafficking. He said that he has nothing to hide. But to decide to publish the names of Albanians listed in Dick Marty's confidential report is not to cooperate with the investigation; it is to stonewall the investigation by allowing extreme harm, death, or disappearance to strike at those Albanians by angry KLAists and thereby end any more information for investigators to follow up; to study; to vertify.

Roger7

pre 13 godina

"Hashim Thaci has announced that he will publish a list of Albanians who helped Dick Marty write the report which accuses him of organ trafficking in Kosovo."

His name, "The Snake" is well-deserved!

johny

pre 13 godina

Olli, frankly I could care less whether you're sick or not. I am not your doctor and I don't care how you feel. If you're still sick call 911 or get an aspirin or some robitussin or whatever.

"Johny that was a good attempt at avoiding the question.

But if you don't want to answer it. I will tell you something you will know to be true. If there is a witch hunt on those Albanians that assisted in the report in some way it will set back democracy in Kosovo. "

-- bganon, apparently you haven't bothered reading my post. You simply hit the reply button to express your disagreement. The whole point was that for as long as Marti fails to provide evidence to the public, the UNSC, EULEX, the Hague or any international institution his report is simply a witch hunt. As such he leaves the door open to others to make use of it, and launch their own witch hunts. Serbia is launching its own witch hunt because it hasn't bothered even requesting one single prestigious international institution for immediate investigations, while it claims it has been sitting on piles of evidence for a decade. Evidence that Serbia has failed to provide to UNSC, EULEX etc. for years and years. Instead of action it is too preoccupied with triumphal news titles. If a EU bureaucrat launches a witch hunt (shows no evidence whatsoever), if Serbia launches its own witch hunt (no evidence whatsoever, no action whatsoever), then what is to stop Thaci from launching his own witch hunt? Why would Thaci's actions be so surprising to you when you are clearly not bothered by any other witch hunt? How is Thaci saying he has the names and proof of the people collaborating with Marti but he doesn't want to show it, any different than Serbia and Marti saying they have proof against Thaci but they don't wanna show it or do anything about it?

"Is this a price worth paying? I don't think so, it will just be used as a way to silence opposition to certain political leaders in Kosovo. You must realise this. "

-- If you're realizing that then you're clearly not realizing the bigger picture. What is to stop tomorrow, say someone like Doris Pack (using her for the sake of argument) to come up with a report that states that all the Serb leaders have personally killed Bosnian children (theres a picture of Kustunica shooting an AK-47 if you google it) but she does not want to show any evidence; she's done this through reports from secret services of country X; that all the witnesses have disappeared and that her job is done? Clearly if these people who have immunity are not held responsible for their actions, and for their own reports then they can wreak havoc and even cause wars on a whole region and destroy millions of lives, let alone the democracy of a small land like Kosova. The point is that while Thaci's statement is deplorable and wrong, it is even more deplorable and dangerous when you have EU bureaucrats come up with reports and allegations and then refuse to show any evidence for it and hide behind the immunity EU institutions allow for them. Every one that holds such high positions should be held responsible. If you have evidence for your report you should release it. If you don't have evidence and you write such reports then you're the lowest scum of the earth and Thaci stand's tall many levels above you. As an Eurocrat a baseless report written by you can bring to the verge of war many countries in the Balkans. As a PM of a country that relies on EU and NATO your baseless reports may be damaging to you and your country. So when we talk in terms of scale a EUrocat is dangerous to the well being of many countries if he makes allegations that are not based on evidence. Thaci is dangerous to one country. There is a huge difference of scale.

"In a way I feel really bad that the Kosovo status question 'contaminates' almost everything else there."

-- You should feel the same about Serbia. Just open B92 and weep. Just about anything in Serbia is tied with Kosova.

"For the love of god we have to come to the table, marginalise the lunatics and enable the people of Kosovo to move forward."

-- Start requesting at the UNSC a thorough investigation. Then you have a preamble to change in your constitution. Then we may actually start to believe you.

zotiben

pre 13 godina

Honestly we knew this is going to happen.
We knew we have to deal with a strong enemy,we knew we have to deal with big diplomats,we knew Serbs do like everything related to wars, we knew we can not count on Serbian word,we knew there is no trust on Serbs.
What the hell are we trying to fix with them,We have to separate for real,let them enjoy their country and let us get together with the rest of Albanians,anyway I honestly do not like to see a single Serbian in Kosovo no matter where the Kosovo border will "end".Albanian brothers we can not trust Serbs and you all know that.
No BESA with Serbians,they know they are not to be trusted.

Top

pre 13 godina

Yes, let's open the witch hunt! That's how justice works in Thaci Kingdom... oops, I mean in the independent, democratic dream state of the 'young Europeans'

The Swiss

pre 13 godina

Absolutely! There would be no hiding place for Dick Marty....even he he claims immunity. Only God has got immunity!
(EA, 25 December 2010 17:24)

Do "funny" comments have immunity ?

The Swiss

pre 13 godina

Shocking, this criminal lives in a different century and has NO intention whatsoever to have the truth being uncovered!!
What not stating immediately "the hunt on collorators is open"
Bganon is right to ask if the k-albs approve and support this ??

michael

pre 13 godina

sounds like a hit list for the albanian mafia is about to be released. and the west supports this troll and its followers. appalling.

Top

pre 13 godina

"If Thaci lived in a different century Dick Marty would not be with us after the malicious lies, that's why Thaci and others will try the legal route first."

"The falsely accused, their extended families and friends have every moral right to approach Dick in person and ask for evidence. "
(Achilles, 25 December 2010 19:18)

Look at the word "first" in the first sentence. Interesting, eh? What will follow? Guess what! And "a moral reach to approach someone in person"?
Some people in Kosovo still have to learn how justice (and a fair election, too, btw.) works in a democracy. They have A LOT to learn, it seems.

Top

pre 13 godina

"and added that “there have been attempts to release the report, which seriously damaged Kosovo’s reputation, before the elections in Kosovo on December 12”."

What would it have changed? Nothing at all! His supporters wouldn't have believed it, anyway. For many others it wouldn't have been an obstacle to vote for Thaci again. And for the rest, well, there's the good old election fraud, threatening of voters, manipulating the ballots and so on...

robby

pre 13 godina

Threat, intimidation, kill.

That is the only policy, Thaci understands.
And its Kosovo policy if he stays as president.

Choose another way, Kosovo, otherwise you will have no future in Europe.

bganon

pre 13 godina

Johny that was a good attempt at avoiding the question.

But if you don't want to answer it. I will tell you something you will know to be true. If there is a witch hunt on those Albanians that assisted in the report in some way it will set back democracy in Kosovo.

Is this a price worth paying? I don't think so, it will just be used as a way to silence opposition to certain political leaders in Kosovo. You must realise this.

In a way I feel really bad that the Kosovo status question 'contaminates' almost everything else there.

For the love of god we have to come to the table, marginalise the lunatics and enable the people of Kosovo to move forward.

Peggy

pre 13 godina

Thaci is hoping someone will rid him of these "pests".
What other purpose is there in releasing the names than making them for death?

Olli

pre 13 godina

johny,

With you I only need to be very short: your reply to bganon's question made me feel sick, literally.

How about the other Albanians? What's going on? Did Dick Marty manage to undress Thaci's civilized suit, tie and white collar shirt to show us the monster under disguise?

Daniel

pre 13 godina

Thaci's actions are proving Marty correct. He's releasing the names which will threaten the lives of the individuals cooperating with Marty, and that's precisely what Marty said regarding carrying out investigations in Kosovo. It's made hard because of witness intimidation. Thank you Thaci for providing more evidence against you, and in a very public forum that even Albanians cannot deny exists.

Logic

pre 13 godina

Great. And the list is going to be very, very long, since is going to include the names of all Albanians who do not support him thus represent an obstacle to his political existence.This is an open invitation to any rotten rat to "whisper" any name into designated ear because some body's donkey made "that" pile on the path he walked on such and such day. This is an golden opportunity that cannot be missed. There must be a way to include in the list also the names of all remaining Serbs in Kosovo. Mission accomplished.

justhetruth

pre 13 godina

So Serbs are thinking still Albanians are dumb or no education or experience of intelligence or anything comes to you that's but hey you are so wrong for almost 60 years since Rankovic time and always you will be wrong,will lies life will never get nowhere

Wim Roffel

pre 13 godina

My guess is that Thaci is thinking forward. If the West decides to have a prosecutor to start an official criminal investigation he wants to be sure it leads nowhere. Marty mentioned in his report that he took extensive precautions to protect the identities of some of his witnesses and here is Thaci bragging that he will expose them. Is there a better way to show that future Western guarantees will be worthless and to encourage people not to testify?

EULEX has been threatened too. The recent attack on the car of James Albrecht - head of the department that works on corruption and organized crime - seems to show that Kosovo's criminal elite is getting bolder in defending its interests.