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Mufti wants autonomy, internationalization

Islamic Community in Serbia Chief Mufti Muamer Zukorlić spoke for Al Jazeera TV to say that the "problem of Sandžak" must be made an international issue.

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Petar Jovanovic

pre 13 godina

I'll help you in your internationalistaion of your problem in Serbia. You and all tho think like you do can go back to Turkey, the only problem they'll have with you is that you're not Turks, you're merely Serbian moslem converts from way back in the 15th Century. Bosnia doesn't want you either, because you're not Bosnians either. In fact, there is no such thing as an ethnic Bosnian, only Serbs and Croatians.

fajko

pre 13 godina

History book written by who, Serbs? lol, according to them everyone was equally guilty in a Bosnian war.
It is not just history books but hard science. The easiest one is we look different. DNA testing has proven Bosnjaks have been on Balkan peninsula for over 5 thousand years, Serbs came here 1300 years ago.
And here is your last proof, Albanians love another Albanian no matter of his/her religion, Serbs insist that Bosnjaks are Islamicized Serbs but instead of loving their Serb brothers they want to exterminate them.

Peggy

pre 13 godina

Bosnjaks are descendants of Illirians and are not Serbs who took Islam, that is Serbian propaganda machine.
For all these Islamofobes who don't want islamic countries in Europe, you know that makes you ignorant racists.
(fajko, 4 November 2010 19:00)
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You have no idea what you are talking about.
How about you open a history book and read it?

fajko

pre 13 godina

Sandzak is an occupied region and its people under political cultural and economical oppression. I am from a Montenegrin town with 87% Muslim population but majority jobs are held by Serbs/Montenegrin.
Bosnjaks are descendants of Illirians and are not Serbs who took Islam, that is Serbian propaganda machine.
For all these Islamofobes who don't want islamic countries in Europe, you know that makes you ignorant racists.

Peggy

pre 13 godina

@ (Gjergj Fishta,, are you OK?
Have you checked your pressure lately or are you just so in love with the name Peggy you can't stop using it?

What on earth is wrong with you man?

iliri

pre 13 godina

Peggy, this myfti, is serbian internal problem, artemije on the other hand is kosovar internal problem. Funny how Serbia tried to expand north, and lost territories south...now that tries to grab a small piece of what previously lost south, west is cracking...wonder when is vojvodina's turn. Forgot to mention east, how are the things going on with romanian and bulgarian minorities?

Gjergj Fishta

pre 13 godina

(Peggy, 3 November 2010 21:09)

Peggy, please tell me what does your response have to do with my comment?
Furthermore, what des it have in common with your original comment?
Absolutely nothing!
Just the usual Peggy blabber!
Tell me Peggy, what do non-Albanian Muslims have to do with us?
For starters Peggy, I am not Muslim, I am catholic.
I’ll let you in a secret Peggy.
Every Albanian, be it Muslim, Catholic or orthodox is my brother/sister.
You Peggy do not have the privilege of being either of them.
Peggy, Albanian’s faith is Albanianism.
Never forget that.
Did you look at the names I put forward in my last comment Peggy (I know you did not).
None of them was Muslim, but they all died fighting and working for Albania.
Once again Peggy, your comment proves you know nothing about us (nothing, zip, nada, asgjë, niente, absolutno niŝta).
Tell me Peggy, why should I condemn him for his political stand?
Has he harmed me in any shape or form? No.
Is he threatening my nation? No.
Is he advocating war? No.
Has he put my brothers and sisters in mass graves? No, Serbia has.
What does make the enemy of my enemy Peggy? It makes him my friend Peggy.
Do I care about Serbia? No.
Do I support his view? I don’t care, he is your problem.
Do I support Serbia’s view on this? Absolutely not!
Why don’t I support Serbia in this? Why should I.
Has Serbia done anything good for my people (ever) to ask for my support? Never!
Will Serbia ever do anything good for my people? Never!
Do I expect any help from Serbia? Not.
Does this resolve your dilemma Peggy?

Peggy

pre 13 godina

If you opose Kosovo indipendence, then burn the blue flag ... n
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Why? They hardly ever display it. They always display Albanian flag and that is the flag many, many Serbs were butchered under so why don't you get angry at your Albanian brothers in Kosovo and tell them not to abuse YOUR flag for it is your flag not theirs and then I won't have anything to say?

Fair?

Peggy

pre 13 godina

I thought that people should comment on things they know of; I guess you are an exception in this forum.
(Gjergj Fishta, 1 November 2010 14:27)
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But I do know. I know very well that Islam unites you all in the same way.

I was talking about Muslims including Albanian Muslims not speaking up against this man and questioning it. Why?
You are quick to condemn any Serb religious leader saying anything remotely you consider political but here is this man so obviously dabbling in politics and yet all you can do is tell me I don't know what I am talking about.

I want you to condemn him for his political stand, that's all. Either be consistent or hypocrite. It's up to you.

Sam, UK

pre 13 godina

'But what Sandzakli Bosnian leader Zukorlic has to do with us Albanians ?? Nothing ! We just don't care !'

What did Troicki winning his first tennis title have to do with Albania? Nothing. But still some moron came on here and said it was a Russian mafia conspiracy.

iliri

pre 13 godina

Peggy, serbs burned our flag twice in a period of two weeks, one in genoa, and one somewhere in russia ... and no one condemend those events in serbia ... I, as a citizen of Albania, feel outrageous about that fact, i'm aware that Serbs and Albanians are not best friends, but what i have possibly done while living a boring life here in Tirana, so to see my flag burning? If you opose Kosovo indipendence, then burn the blue flag ... not my national flag. About muslims sticking together...well i never heard about a bosnian muslim who burned my national flag ...having mentioned this i would like to take a moment to condemn flag burning in general, and it seems the record holders of flag burners are the palestinians closely followed by serbs...of course.

Gjergj Fishta

pre 13 godina

(Stephen JP, 1 November 2010 15:19)

Stephen, did you just recite Bishop Artemije’s inauguration speech?
It actually sounded very similar (if not a carbon copy of it).

Stephen JP

pre 13 godina

Kosovo statehood is a mistake the European Union will see sooner or later. To have anymore Muslim states anywhere in Europe is another mistake. No Muslim state is Democratic: a state where all people, regardless of ethnicity and religion have equal rights. A Muslim state is the first step to slowly reintroducing barbaric Sharia Law, and the destruction of churches and Christianity, as in medieval Islamic times. Europe is fighting Islamic militants from the Middle East, but now many of them are "homegrown" in Europe. See what you started, Europe. You know nothing about how to keep out the bad people; nothing about deporting the wrong, highly injurous thinkers, and stupidly gave an entire nation:Kosovo, to become a base of operation to slowly recreate the feared and brutal Ottoman Empire. The Serbs are the best people who understand the dangers of a wild, out of control Kosovo that destroys churches. USA, NATO, listen to the wisdom of the Serbs. And USA and NATO do not allow the slow re-emergence of the bloody Ottoman Empire in Europe.

Gjergj Fishta

pre 13 godina

He is a Muslim and you both share the same religion.
Islam doesn not discriminate in the Balkans. You Muslims all stick together so yes you guys not speaking up against this man says a lot.
(Peggy, 31 October 2010 23:10)


Peggy, it is simply scary how little you know about us Albanians.
Check these Albanian heroes (they are in the hearts of all Albanians -- Muslim, Catholic and Orthodox), starting from Scanderbeg, Fan Noli, Dedë Gjo Luli, Gjergj Fishta, Prek Cali, Mic Sokoli, Migjeni, Asdreni, Pjeter Bogdani, Josif Bageri, Luigj Gurakuqi, Spiro Kosturi, Spiro Bellkameni ….. Mother Theresa.
I thought that people should comment on things they know of; I guess you are an exception in this forum.

nik

pre 13 godina

the serbian constitution allows autonomies. Fact. A left over from the yugoslavian project. Its purpose was of course to allow for a serbian centered mini empire to exist. unfortunately for the serbs they leaders did realized in due time that they had to transfer Srrbia into a normal central european unitary nation state. This of course meant getting rid of Kosovo long time ago.

truthiness

pre 13 godina

He is a Muslim and you both share the same religion.
Islam doesn not discriminate in the Balkans. You Muslims all stick together so yes you guys not speaking up against this man says a lot.
(Peggy, 31 October 2010 23:10)
But if you want my opinion, this man is a fanatic wahabbi religious leader, who has two wives ... a crazy man !!! Dangerous fanatic who wants to see veiled women and lond bearded young men ...
(Vev, 31 October 2010 22:25)

errr.....sorry peggy but calling someone a "fanatic wahabbi" .."crazy man" and "dangerous fanatic" is pretty much ruling out any sympathies Vev may have for this dude. Just an observation :)

Peggy

pre 13 godina

Wrong again,as usual.
Albanians don't mix politics with religion.
who cares what bishop artemije says???
(Agim Kelmendi, 31 October 2010 22:34)
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Aparently you do. He's been accused of being a politician and therefore fair game by your lot. Are you seriously trying to deny that?

Ataman

pre 13 godina

But what Sandzakli Bosnian leader Zukorlic has to do with us Albanians ?? Nothing ! We just don't care !
(Vev, 31 October 2010 22:25)

Neither I do - as long as he does not ignite some smaller (or larger) armed conflict. Hope, not.

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But if you want my opinion, this man is a fanatic wahabbi religious leader, who has two wives ... a crazy man !!! Dangerous fanatic who wants to see veiled women and lond bearded young men ...
(Vev, 31 October 2010 22:25)

100% agree, thank you Vev.

Peggy

pre 13 godina

But what Sandzakli Bosnian leader Zukorlic has to do with us Albanians ?? Nothing ! We just don't care !
====================

He is a Muslim and you both share the same religion.
Islam doesn not discriminate in the Balkans. You Muslims all stick together so yes you guys not speaking up against this man says a lot.

Agim Kelmendi

pre 13 godina

Where are our dear Albanian friends now to condemn this man? They are very quick to condemn any Serbian religious leader who dares speak about conditions that Serbs have to live under in Kosovo, saying it's politics and they deserve to be treated like an enemy for it.

Now we have one of their own actually dabbling in politics and they are so very, very quiet.
C'mon all you hypocrites out there.

Wrong again,as usual.
Albanians don't mix politics with religion.
who cares what bishop artemije says???

Vev

pre 13 godina

"Where are our dear Albanian friends now to condemn this man? They are very quick to condemn any Serbian religious leader who dares speak about conditions that Serbs have to live under in Kosovo, saying it's politics and they deserve to be treated like an enemy for it.

Now we have one of their own actually dabbling in politics and they are so very, very quiet.
C'mon all you hypocrites out there. Speak up."

But what Sandzakli Bosnian leader Zukorlic has to do with us Albanians ?? Nothing ! We just don't care !

But if you want my opinion, this man is a fanatic wahabbi religious leader, who has two wives ... a crazy man !!! Dangerous fanatic who wants to see veiled women and lond bearded young men ...

peggy

pre 13 godina

Where are our dear Albanian friends now to condemn this man? They are very quick to condemn any Serbian religious leader who dares speak about conditions that Serbs have to live under in Kosovo, saying it's politics and they deserve to be treated like an enemy for it.

Now we have one of their own actually dabbling in politics and they are so very, very quiet.
C'mon all you hypocrites out there. Speak up.

trudsaam

pre 13 godina

Bosnia wasnt invented By Turks, it existed before them.

Bosniaks, regardless of their religion are oriented towards their mother country Bosnia.

Sandzak was a part of Bosnia for 450 years. Not a small time.

Greetings from Sandzak from a Bosniak, my dear Anglo-Serbs lol
(AmelNP)
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It's unfortunate you do not know your own roots.

bganon

pre 13 godina

Zukoric is making trouble for his own personal political gain, except this time he's tried to go nuclear.

By hook or by crook this character should be removed from the Serbian political scene. I am not suggesting murder or anything extreme like that, but as far as I'm concerned the gloves are off.

Amel 'Bosniaks, regardless of their religion' Excuse me? Bosniaks only consist of Bosnian Muslums. The only question is whether you are a citizen of Serbia or not.

This Zukoric is a self interested crook, who is trying to extort money and political patronage from Serbia. Now that this has failed he's gone elsewhere, both for money and to pressure Serbia. If you can't see what is going on here more fool you.

Jovan R.

pre 13 godina

According to the 2002 Serbian census, Bosniaks do in fact form the majority of the population in Serbia's Sandžak region (Novi Pazar, Tutin, Sjenica, Prijepolje, Nova Varoš, Priboj). The total population of 235,567 recorded in the census for these municipalities included, 38 percent who called themselves as Serbs, 59 percent who called themselves Bosniaks, and 3 percent who called themselves Muslim by nationality. All other ethnicities combined added up to less than one percent.

Vojvodina, with a 60 percent Serb majority, currently has the status of an autonomous province within Serbia.

There's no demographic reason why the Sandžak, which has a 3/5 majority of Bosniaks, could not have some form of autonomy as well.

Given political goodwill, this could in fact be resolved within the framework of regionalization.

Goodwill, however, seems to be in short supply on all sides these days.
The Sandžak Mufti and his political opponents alike seem more interested in promoting themselves and their parties than in working out pragmatic solutions.

kalifornija

pre 13 godina

Sandzak was a part of Bosnia for 450 years. Not a small time. - During thos e450 years, you were under Ottoman rule, and converted to Islam, you sold out your Christian faiths for favors from the Turks. Something to be proud of?
Greetings from Sandzak from a Bosniak, my dear Anglo-Serbs lol
AmelNP - Why is it being a Bosniak from Sandzak funny (lol)?

Mike

pre 13 godina

Because autonomous Islamic-led regions throughout the world have proven themselves to be so effective in promoting a democratic civil society and improving the overall standards of living.

AmelNP

pre 13 godina

Bosnia wasnt invented By Turks, it existed before them.

Bosniaks, regardless of their religion are oriented towards their mother country Bosnia.

Sandzak was a part of Bosnia for 450 years. Not a small time.

Greetings from Sandzak from a Bosniak, my dear Anglo-Serbs lol

Stevie

pre 13 godina

I just cant stand this man
He is making problems here!
If in the futre something bad happans in Sandzak then he is the one to blame.
The only place for people like Zukorlic is in Jail.
p.s. the people in Sandzak are descendants of Serbs orthodox who took over the Islam. and not some made up Bosniaks.

winston

pre 13 godina

Passing By, this so-called imam in the funny hat, is actually a nutcase. This guy is a trouble maker, that does not have the Serbian Muslim communities' best interest at heart. He is advocating Muslim autonomy for a region that is not even majority Muslim. And he is referring to himself as a Bosniak - last I heard Bosniaks live in Bosnia. Even Bosniak is a made up word for Serbian Muslims that live in Bosnia, but wanted to disassociate themselves with serbs as much as they could. Anyway, this imam is getting way too much media coverage. He should learn to work with the authorities in the land where he resides, not foolishly rebel, but that is not his agenda.

Gjergj Fishta

pre 13 godina

He is a Muslim and you both share the same religion.
Islam doesn not discriminate in the Balkans. You Muslims all stick together so yes you guys not speaking up against this man says a lot.
(Peggy, 31 October 2010 23:10)


Peggy, it is simply scary how little you know about us Albanians.
Check these Albanian heroes (they are in the hearts of all Albanians -- Muslim, Catholic and Orthodox), starting from Scanderbeg, Fan Noli, Dedë Gjo Luli, Gjergj Fishta, Prek Cali, Mic Sokoli, Migjeni, Asdreni, Pjeter Bogdani, Josif Bageri, Luigj Gurakuqi, Spiro Kosturi, Spiro Bellkameni ….. Mother Theresa.
I thought that people should comment on things they know of; I guess you are an exception in this forum.

winston

pre 13 godina

Passing By, this so-called imam in the funny hat, is actually a nutcase. This guy is a trouble maker, that does not have the Serbian Muslim communities' best interest at heart. He is advocating Muslim autonomy for a region that is not even majority Muslim. And he is referring to himself as a Bosniak - last I heard Bosniaks live in Bosnia. Even Bosniak is a made up word for Serbian Muslims that live in Bosnia, but wanted to disassociate themselves with serbs as much as they could. Anyway, this imam is getting way too much media coverage. He should learn to work with the authorities in the land where he resides, not foolishly rebel, but that is not his agenda.

Stevie

pre 13 godina

I just cant stand this man
He is making problems here!
If in the futre something bad happans in Sandzak then he is the one to blame.
The only place for people like Zukorlic is in Jail.
p.s. the people in Sandzak are descendants of Serbs orthodox who took over the Islam. and not some made up Bosniaks.

bganon

pre 13 godina

Zukoric is making trouble for his own personal political gain, except this time he's tried to go nuclear.

By hook or by crook this character should be removed from the Serbian political scene. I am not suggesting murder or anything extreme like that, but as far as I'm concerned the gloves are off.

Amel 'Bosniaks, regardless of their religion' Excuse me? Bosniaks only consist of Bosnian Muslums. The only question is whether you are a citizen of Serbia or not.

This Zukoric is a self interested crook, who is trying to extort money and political patronage from Serbia. Now that this has failed he's gone elsewhere, both for money and to pressure Serbia. If you can't see what is going on here more fool you.

peggy

pre 13 godina

Where are our dear Albanian friends now to condemn this man? They are very quick to condemn any Serbian religious leader who dares speak about conditions that Serbs have to live under in Kosovo, saying it's politics and they deserve to be treated like an enemy for it.

Now we have one of their own actually dabbling in politics and they are so very, very quiet.
C'mon all you hypocrites out there. Speak up.

Mike

pre 13 godina

Because autonomous Islamic-led regions throughout the world have proven themselves to be so effective in promoting a democratic civil society and improving the overall standards of living.

Vev

pre 13 godina

"Where are our dear Albanian friends now to condemn this man? They are very quick to condemn any Serbian religious leader who dares speak about conditions that Serbs have to live under in Kosovo, saying it's politics and they deserve to be treated like an enemy for it.

Now we have one of their own actually dabbling in politics and they are so very, very quiet.
C'mon all you hypocrites out there. Speak up."

But what Sandzakli Bosnian leader Zukorlic has to do with us Albanians ?? Nothing ! We just don't care !

But if you want my opinion, this man is a fanatic wahabbi religious leader, who has two wives ... a crazy man !!! Dangerous fanatic who wants to see veiled women and lond bearded young men ...

AmelNP

pre 13 godina

Bosnia wasnt invented By Turks, it existed before them.

Bosniaks, regardless of their religion are oriented towards their mother country Bosnia.

Sandzak was a part of Bosnia for 450 years. Not a small time.

Greetings from Sandzak from a Bosniak, my dear Anglo-Serbs lol

Jovan R.

pre 13 godina

According to the 2002 Serbian census, Bosniaks do in fact form the majority of the population in Serbia's Sandžak region (Novi Pazar, Tutin, Sjenica, Prijepolje, Nova Varoš, Priboj). The total population of 235,567 recorded in the census for these municipalities included, 38 percent who called themselves as Serbs, 59 percent who called themselves Bosniaks, and 3 percent who called themselves Muslim by nationality. All other ethnicities combined added up to less than one percent.

Vojvodina, with a 60 percent Serb majority, currently has the status of an autonomous province within Serbia.

There's no demographic reason why the Sandžak, which has a 3/5 majority of Bosniaks, could not have some form of autonomy as well.

Given political goodwill, this could in fact be resolved within the framework of regionalization.

Goodwill, however, seems to be in short supply on all sides these days.
The Sandžak Mufti and his political opponents alike seem more interested in promoting themselves and their parties than in working out pragmatic solutions.

trudsaam

pre 13 godina

Bosnia wasnt invented By Turks, it existed before them.

Bosniaks, regardless of their religion are oriented towards their mother country Bosnia.

Sandzak was a part of Bosnia for 450 years. Not a small time.

Greetings from Sandzak from a Bosniak, my dear Anglo-Serbs lol
(AmelNP)
-
It's unfortunate you do not know your own roots.

Gjergj Fishta

pre 13 godina

(Stephen JP, 1 November 2010 15:19)

Stephen, did you just recite Bishop Artemije’s inauguration speech?
It actually sounded very similar (if not a carbon copy of it).

Peggy

pre 13 godina

But what Sandzakli Bosnian leader Zukorlic has to do with us Albanians ?? Nothing ! We just don't care !
====================

He is a Muslim and you both share the same religion.
Islam doesn not discriminate in the Balkans. You Muslims all stick together so yes you guys not speaking up against this man says a lot.

Agim Kelmendi

pre 13 godina

Where are our dear Albanian friends now to condemn this man? They are very quick to condemn any Serbian religious leader who dares speak about conditions that Serbs have to live under in Kosovo, saying it's politics and they deserve to be treated like an enemy for it.

Now we have one of their own actually dabbling in politics and they are so very, very quiet.
C'mon all you hypocrites out there.

Wrong again,as usual.
Albanians don't mix politics with religion.
who cares what bishop artemije says???

Gjergj Fishta

pre 13 godina

(Peggy, 3 November 2010 21:09)

Peggy, please tell me what does your response have to do with my comment?
Furthermore, what des it have in common with your original comment?
Absolutely nothing!
Just the usual Peggy blabber!
Tell me Peggy, what do non-Albanian Muslims have to do with us?
For starters Peggy, I am not Muslim, I am catholic.
I’ll let you in a secret Peggy.
Every Albanian, be it Muslim, Catholic or orthodox is my brother/sister.
You Peggy do not have the privilege of being either of them.
Peggy, Albanian’s faith is Albanianism.
Never forget that.
Did you look at the names I put forward in my last comment Peggy (I know you did not).
None of them was Muslim, but they all died fighting and working for Albania.
Once again Peggy, your comment proves you know nothing about us (nothing, zip, nada, asgjë, niente, absolutno niŝta).
Tell me Peggy, why should I condemn him for his political stand?
Has he harmed me in any shape or form? No.
Is he threatening my nation? No.
Is he advocating war? No.
Has he put my brothers and sisters in mass graves? No, Serbia has.
What does make the enemy of my enemy Peggy? It makes him my friend Peggy.
Do I care about Serbia? No.
Do I support his view? I don’t care, he is your problem.
Do I support Serbia’s view on this? Absolutely not!
Why don’t I support Serbia in this? Why should I.
Has Serbia done anything good for my people (ever) to ask for my support? Never!
Will Serbia ever do anything good for my people? Never!
Do I expect any help from Serbia? Not.
Does this resolve your dilemma Peggy?

kalifornija

pre 13 godina

Sandzak was a part of Bosnia for 450 years. Not a small time. - During thos e450 years, you were under Ottoman rule, and converted to Islam, you sold out your Christian faiths for favors from the Turks. Something to be proud of?
Greetings from Sandzak from a Bosniak, my dear Anglo-Serbs lol
AmelNP - Why is it being a Bosniak from Sandzak funny (lol)?

Ataman

pre 13 godina

But what Sandzakli Bosnian leader Zukorlic has to do with us Albanians ?? Nothing ! We just don't care !
(Vev, 31 October 2010 22:25)

Neither I do - as long as he does not ignite some smaller (or larger) armed conflict. Hope, not.

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But if you want my opinion, this man is a fanatic wahabbi religious leader, who has two wives ... a crazy man !!! Dangerous fanatic who wants to see veiled women and lond bearded young men ...
(Vev, 31 October 2010 22:25)

100% agree, thank you Vev.

Stephen JP

pre 13 godina

Kosovo statehood is a mistake the European Union will see sooner or later. To have anymore Muslim states anywhere in Europe is another mistake. No Muslim state is Democratic: a state where all people, regardless of ethnicity and religion have equal rights. A Muslim state is the first step to slowly reintroducing barbaric Sharia Law, and the destruction of churches and Christianity, as in medieval Islamic times. Europe is fighting Islamic militants from the Middle East, but now many of them are "homegrown" in Europe. See what you started, Europe. You know nothing about how to keep out the bad people; nothing about deporting the wrong, highly injurous thinkers, and stupidly gave an entire nation:Kosovo, to become a base of operation to slowly recreate the feared and brutal Ottoman Empire. The Serbs are the best people who understand the dangers of a wild, out of control Kosovo that destroys churches. USA, NATO, listen to the wisdom of the Serbs. And USA and NATO do not allow the slow re-emergence of the bloody Ottoman Empire in Europe.

iliri

pre 13 godina

Peggy, serbs burned our flag twice in a period of two weeks, one in genoa, and one somewhere in russia ... and no one condemend those events in serbia ... I, as a citizen of Albania, feel outrageous about that fact, i'm aware that Serbs and Albanians are not best friends, but what i have possibly done while living a boring life here in Tirana, so to see my flag burning? If you opose Kosovo indipendence, then burn the blue flag ... not my national flag. About muslims sticking together...well i never heard about a bosnian muslim who burned my national flag ...having mentioned this i would like to take a moment to condemn flag burning in general, and it seems the record holders of flag burners are the palestinians closely followed by serbs...of course.

Peggy

pre 13 godina

Wrong again,as usual.
Albanians don't mix politics with religion.
who cares what bishop artemije says???
(Agim Kelmendi, 31 October 2010 22:34)
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Aparently you do. He's been accused of being a politician and therefore fair game by your lot. Are you seriously trying to deny that?

fajko

pre 13 godina

History book written by who, Serbs? lol, according to them everyone was equally guilty in a Bosnian war.
It is not just history books but hard science. The easiest one is we look different. DNA testing has proven Bosnjaks have been on Balkan peninsula for over 5 thousand years, Serbs came here 1300 years ago.
And here is your last proof, Albanians love another Albanian no matter of his/her religion, Serbs insist that Bosnjaks are Islamicized Serbs but instead of loving their Serb brothers they want to exterminate them.

truthiness

pre 13 godina

He is a Muslim and you both share the same religion.
Islam doesn not discriminate in the Balkans. You Muslims all stick together so yes you guys not speaking up against this man says a lot.
(Peggy, 31 October 2010 23:10)
But if you want my opinion, this man is a fanatic wahabbi religious leader, who has two wives ... a crazy man !!! Dangerous fanatic who wants to see veiled women and lond bearded young men ...
(Vev, 31 October 2010 22:25)

errr.....sorry peggy but calling someone a "fanatic wahabbi" .."crazy man" and "dangerous fanatic" is pretty much ruling out any sympathies Vev may have for this dude. Just an observation :)

iliri

pre 13 godina

Peggy, this myfti, is serbian internal problem, artemije on the other hand is kosovar internal problem. Funny how Serbia tried to expand north, and lost territories south...now that tries to grab a small piece of what previously lost south, west is cracking...wonder when is vojvodina's turn. Forgot to mention east, how are the things going on with romanian and bulgarian minorities?

nik

pre 13 godina

the serbian constitution allows autonomies. Fact. A left over from the yugoslavian project. Its purpose was of course to allow for a serbian centered mini empire to exist. unfortunately for the serbs they leaders did realized in due time that they had to transfer Srrbia into a normal central european unitary nation state. This of course meant getting rid of Kosovo long time ago.

Peggy

pre 13 godina

I thought that people should comment on things they know of; I guess you are an exception in this forum.
(Gjergj Fishta, 1 November 2010 14:27)
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But I do know. I know very well that Islam unites you all in the same way.

I was talking about Muslims including Albanian Muslims not speaking up against this man and questioning it. Why?
You are quick to condemn any Serb religious leader saying anything remotely you consider political but here is this man so obviously dabbling in politics and yet all you can do is tell me I don't know what I am talking about.

I want you to condemn him for his political stand, that's all. Either be consistent or hypocrite. It's up to you.

Sam, UK

pre 13 godina

'But what Sandzakli Bosnian leader Zukorlic has to do with us Albanians ?? Nothing ! We just don't care !'

What did Troicki winning his first tennis title have to do with Albania? Nothing. But still some moron came on here and said it was a Russian mafia conspiracy.

fajko

pre 13 godina

Sandzak is an occupied region and its people under political cultural and economical oppression. I am from a Montenegrin town with 87% Muslim population but majority jobs are held by Serbs/Montenegrin.
Bosnjaks are descendants of Illirians and are not Serbs who took Islam, that is Serbian propaganda machine.
For all these Islamofobes who don't want islamic countries in Europe, you know that makes you ignorant racists.

Peggy

pre 13 godina

If you opose Kosovo indipendence, then burn the blue flag ... n
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Why? They hardly ever display it. They always display Albanian flag and that is the flag many, many Serbs were butchered under so why don't you get angry at your Albanian brothers in Kosovo and tell them not to abuse YOUR flag for it is your flag not theirs and then I won't have anything to say?

Fair?

Peggy

pre 13 godina

@ (Gjergj Fishta,, are you OK?
Have you checked your pressure lately or are you just so in love with the name Peggy you can't stop using it?

What on earth is wrong with you man?

Peggy

pre 13 godina

Bosnjaks are descendants of Illirians and are not Serbs who took Islam, that is Serbian propaganda machine.
For all these Islamofobes who don't want islamic countries in Europe, you know that makes you ignorant racists.
(fajko, 4 November 2010 19:00)
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You have no idea what you are talking about.
How about you open a history book and read it?

Petar Jovanovic

pre 13 godina

I'll help you in your internationalistaion of your problem in Serbia. You and all tho think like you do can go back to Turkey, the only problem they'll have with you is that you're not Turks, you're merely Serbian moslem converts from way back in the 15th Century. Bosnia doesn't want you either, because you're not Bosnians either. In fact, there is no such thing as an ethnic Bosnian, only Serbs and Croatians.

Peggy

pre 13 godina

But what Sandzakli Bosnian leader Zukorlic has to do with us Albanians ?? Nothing ! We just don't care !
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He is a Muslim and you both share the same religion.
Islam doesn not discriminate in the Balkans. You Muslims all stick together so yes you guys not speaking up against this man says a lot.

AmelNP

pre 13 godina

Bosnia wasnt invented By Turks, it existed before them.

Bosniaks, regardless of their religion are oriented towards their mother country Bosnia.

Sandzak was a part of Bosnia for 450 years. Not a small time.

Greetings from Sandzak from a Bosniak, my dear Anglo-Serbs lol

Stephen JP

pre 13 godina

Kosovo statehood is a mistake the European Union will see sooner or later. To have anymore Muslim states anywhere in Europe is another mistake. No Muslim state is Democratic: a state where all people, regardless of ethnicity and religion have equal rights. A Muslim state is the first step to slowly reintroducing barbaric Sharia Law, and the destruction of churches and Christianity, as in medieval Islamic times. Europe is fighting Islamic militants from the Middle East, but now many of them are "homegrown" in Europe. See what you started, Europe. You know nothing about how to keep out the bad people; nothing about deporting the wrong, highly injurous thinkers, and stupidly gave an entire nation:Kosovo, to become a base of operation to slowly recreate the feared and brutal Ottoman Empire. The Serbs are the best people who understand the dangers of a wild, out of control Kosovo that destroys churches. USA, NATO, listen to the wisdom of the Serbs. And USA and NATO do not allow the slow re-emergence of the bloody Ottoman Empire in Europe.

Agim Kelmendi

pre 13 godina

Where are our dear Albanian friends now to condemn this man? They are very quick to condemn any Serbian religious leader who dares speak about conditions that Serbs have to live under in Kosovo, saying it's politics and they deserve to be treated like an enemy for it.

Now we have one of their own actually dabbling in politics and they are so very, very quiet.
C'mon all you hypocrites out there.

Wrong again,as usual.
Albanians don't mix politics with religion.
who cares what bishop artemije says???

trudsaam

pre 13 godina

Bosnia wasnt invented By Turks, it existed before them.

Bosniaks, regardless of their religion are oriented towards their mother country Bosnia.

Sandzak was a part of Bosnia for 450 years. Not a small time.

Greetings from Sandzak from a Bosniak, my dear Anglo-Serbs lol
(AmelNP)
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It's unfortunate you do not know your own roots.

winston

pre 13 godina

Passing By, this so-called imam in the funny hat, is actually a nutcase. This guy is a trouble maker, that does not have the Serbian Muslim communities' best interest at heart. He is advocating Muslim autonomy for a region that is not even majority Muslim. And he is referring to himself as a Bosniak - last I heard Bosniaks live in Bosnia. Even Bosniak is a made up word for Serbian Muslims that live in Bosnia, but wanted to disassociate themselves with serbs as much as they could. Anyway, this imam is getting way too much media coverage. He should learn to work with the authorities in the land where he resides, not foolishly rebel, but that is not his agenda.

Vev

pre 13 godina

"Where are our dear Albanian friends now to condemn this man? They are very quick to condemn any Serbian religious leader who dares speak about conditions that Serbs have to live under in Kosovo, saying it's politics and they deserve to be treated like an enemy for it.

Now we have one of their own actually dabbling in politics and they are so very, very quiet.
C'mon all you hypocrites out there. Speak up."

But what Sandzakli Bosnian leader Zukorlic has to do with us Albanians ?? Nothing ! We just don't care !

But if you want my opinion, this man is a fanatic wahabbi religious leader, who has two wives ... a crazy man !!! Dangerous fanatic who wants to see veiled women and lond bearded young men ...

Peggy

pre 13 godina

Wrong again,as usual.
Albanians don't mix politics with religion.
who cares what bishop artemije says???
(Agim Kelmendi, 31 October 2010 22:34)
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Aparently you do. He's been accused of being a politician and therefore fair game by your lot. Are you seriously trying to deny that?

kalifornija

pre 13 godina

Sandzak was a part of Bosnia for 450 years. Not a small time. - During thos e450 years, you were under Ottoman rule, and converted to Islam, you sold out your Christian faiths for favors from the Turks. Something to be proud of?
Greetings from Sandzak from a Bosniak, my dear Anglo-Serbs lol
AmelNP - Why is it being a Bosniak from Sandzak funny (lol)?

peggy

pre 13 godina

Where are our dear Albanian friends now to condemn this man? They are very quick to condemn any Serbian religious leader who dares speak about conditions that Serbs have to live under in Kosovo, saying it's politics and they deserve to be treated like an enemy for it.

Now we have one of their own actually dabbling in politics and they are so very, very quiet.
C'mon all you hypocrites out there. Speak up.

Peggy

pre 13 godina

@ (Gjergj Fishta,, are you OK?
Have you checked your pressure lately or are you just so in love with the name Peggy you can't stop using it?

What on earth is wrong with you man?

Jovan R.

pre 13 godina

According to the 2002 Serbian census, Bosniaks do in fact form the majority of the population in Serbia's Sandžak region (Novi Pazar, Tutin, Sjenica, Prijepolje, Nova Varoš, Priboj). The total population of 235,567 recorded in the census for these municipalities included, 38 percent who called themselves as Serbs, 59 percent who called themselves Bosniaks, and 3 percent who called themselves Muslim by nationality. All other ethnicities combined added up to less than one percent.

Vojvodina, with a 60 percent Serb majority, currently has the status of an autonomous province within Serbia.

There's no demographic reason why the Sandžak, which has a 3/5 majority of Bosniaks, could not have some form of autonomy as well.

Given political goodwill, this could in fact be resolved within the framework of regionalization.

Goodwill, however, seems to be in short supply on all sides these days.
The Sandžak Mufti and his political opponents alike seem more interested in promoting themselves and their parties than in working out pragmatic solutions.

Stevie

pre 13 godina

I just cant stand this man
He is making problems here!
If in the futre something bad happans in Sandzak then he is the one to blame.
The only place for people like Zukorlic is in Jail.
p.s. the people in Sandzak are descendants of Serbs orthodox who took over the Islam. and not some made up Bosniaks.

iliri

pre 13 godina

Peggy, serbs burned our flag twice in a period of two weeks, one in genoa, and one somewhere in russia ... and no one condemend those events in serbia ... I, as a citizen of Albania, feel outrageous about that fact, i'm aware that Serbs and Albanians are not best friends, but what i have possibly done while living a boring life here in Tirana, so to see my flag burning? If you opose Kosovo indipendence, then burn the blue flag ... not my national flag. About muslims sticking together...well i never heard about a bosnian muslim who burned my national flag ...having mentioned this i would like to take a moment to condemn flag burning in general, and it seems the record holders of flag burners are the palestinians closely followed by serbs...of course.

Gjergj Fishta

pre 13 godina

He is a Muslim and you both share the same religion.
Islam doesn not discriminate in the Balkans. You Muslims all stick together so yes you guys not speaking up against this man says a lot.
(Peggy, 31 October 2010 23:10)


Peggy, it is simply scary how little you know about us Albanians.
Check these Albanian heroes (they are in the hearts of all Albanians -- Muslim, Catholic and Orthodox), starting from Scanderbeg, Fan Noli, Dedë Gjo Luli, Gjergj Fishta, Prek Cali, Mic Sokoli, Migjeni, Asdreni, Pjeter Bogdani, Josif Bageri, Luigj Gurakuqi, Spiro Kosturi, Spiro Bellkameni ….. Mother Theresa.
I thought that people should comment on things they know of; I guess you are an exception in this forum.

Gjergj Fishta

pre 13 godina

(Stephen JP, 1 November 2010 15:19)

Stephen, did you just recite Bishop Artemije’s inauguration speech?
It actually sounded very similar (if not a carbon copy of it).

iliri

pre 13 godina

Peggy, this myfti, is serbian internal problem, artemije on the other hand is kosovar internal problem. Funny how Serbia tried to expand north, and lost territories south...now that tries to grab a small piece of what previously lost south, west is cracking...wonder when is vojvodina's turn. Forgot to mention east, how are the things going on with romanian and bulgarian minorities?

bganon

pre 13 godina

Zukoric is making trouble for his own personal political gain, except this time he's tried to go nuclear.

By hook or by crook this character should be removed from the Serbian political scene. I am not suggesting murder or anything extreme like that, but as far as I'm concerned the gloves are off.

Amel 'Bosniaks, regardless of their religion' Excuse me? Bosniaks only consist of Bosnian Muslums. The only question is whether you are a citizen of Serbia or not.

This Zukoric is a self interested crook, who is trying to extort money and political patronage from Serbia. Now that this has failed he's gone elsewhere, both for money and to pressure Serbia. If you can't see what is going on here more fool you.

Mike

pre 13 godina

Because autonomous Islamic-led regions throughout the world have proven themselves to be so effective in promoting a democratic civil society and improving the overall standards of living.

nik

pre 13 godina

the serbian constitution allows autonomies. Fact. A left over from the yugoslavian project. Its purpose was of course to allow for a serbian centered mini empire to exist. unfortunately for the serbs they leaders did realized in due time that they had to transfer Srrbia into a normal central european unitary nation state. This of course meant getting rid of Kosovo long time ago.

Petar Jovanovic

pre 13 godina

I'll help you in your internationalistaion of your problem in Serbia. You and all tho think like you do can go back to Turkey, the only problem they'll have with you is that you're not Turks, you're merely Serbian moslem converts from way back in the 15th Century. Bosnia doesn't want you either, because you're not Bosnians either. In fact, there is no such thing as an ethnic Bosnian, only Serbs and Croatians.

Gjergj Fishta

pre 13 godina

(Peggy, 3 November 2010 21:09)

Peggy, please tell me what does your response have to do with my comment?
Furthermore, what des it have in common with your original comment?
Absolutely nothing!
Just the usual Peggy blabber!
Tell me Peggy, what do non-Albanian Muslims have to do with us?
For starters Peggy, I am not Muslim, I am catholic.
I’ll let you in a secret Peggy.
Every Albanian, be it Muslim, Catholic or orthodox is my brother/sister.
You Peggy do not have the privilege of being either of them.
Peggy, Albanian’s faith is Albanianism.
Never forget that.
Did you look at the names I put forward in my last comment Peggy (I know you did not).
None of them was Muslim, but they all died fighting and working for Albania.
Once again Peggy, your comment proves you know nothing about us (nothing, zip, nada, asgjë, niente, absolutno niŝta).
Tell me Peggy, why should I condemn him for his political stand?
Has he harmed me in any shape or form? No.
Is he threatening my nation? No.
Is he advocating war? No.
Has he put my brothers and sisters in mass graves? No, Serbia has.
What does make the enemy of my enemy Peggy? It makes him my friend Peggy.
Do I care about Serbia? No.
Do I support his view? I don’t care, he is your problem.
Do I support Serbia’s view on this? Absolutely not!
Why don’t I support Serbia in this? Why should I.
Has Serbia done anything good for my people (ever) to ask for my support? Never!
Will Serbia ever do anything good for my people? Never!
Do I expect any help from Serbia? Not.
Does this resolve your dilemma Peggy?

fajko

pre 13 godina

Sandzak is an occupied region and its people under political cultural and economical oppression. I am from a Montenegrin town with 87% Muslim population but majority jobs are held by Serbs/Montenegrin.
Bosnjaks are descendants of Illirians and are not Serbs who took Islam, that is Serbian propaganda machine.
For all these Islamofobes who don't want islamic countries in Europe, you know that makes you ignorant racists.

Ataman

pre 13 godina

But what Sandzakli Bosnian leader Zukorlic has to do with us Albanians ?? Nothing ! We just don't care !
(Vev, 31 October 2010 22:25)

Neither I do - as long as he does not ignite some smaller (or larger) armed conflict. Hope, not.

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But if you want my opinion, this man is a fanatic wahabbi religious leader, who has two wives ... a crazy man !!! Dangerous fanatic who wants to see veiled women and lond bearded young men ...
(Vev, 31 October 2010 22:25)

100% agree, thank you Vev.

Peggy

pre 13 godina

Bosnjaks are descendants of Illirians and are not Serbs who took Islam, that is Serbian propaganda machine.
For all these Islamofobes who don't want islamic countries in Europe, you know that makes you ignorant racists.
(fajko, 4 November 2010 19:00)
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You have no idea what you are talking about.
How about you open a history book and read it?

Sam, UK

pre 13 godina

'But what Sandzakli Bosnian leader Zukorlic has to do with us Albanians ?? Nothing ! We just don't care !'

What did Troicki winning his first tennis title have to do with Albania? Nothing. But still some moron came on here and said it was a Russian mafia conspiracy.

Peggy

pre 13 godina

I thought that people should comment on things they know of; I guess you are an exception in this forum.
(Gjergj Fishta, 1 November 2010 14:27)
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But I do know. I know very well that Islam unites you all in the same way.

I was talking about Muslims including Albanian Muslims not speaking up against this man and questioning it. Why?
You are quick to condemn any Serb religious leader saying anything remotely you consider political but here is this man so obviously dabbling in politics and yet all you can do is tell me I don't know what I am talking about.

I want you to condemn him for his political stand, that's all. Either be consistent or hypocrite. It's up to you.

truthiness

pre 13 godina

He is a Muslim and you both share the same religion.
Islam doesn not discriminate in the Balkans. You Muslims all stick together so yes you guys not speaking up against this man says a lot.
(Peggy, 31 October 2010 23:10)
But if you want my opinion, this man is a fanatic wahabbi religious leader, who has two wives ... a crazy man !!! Dangerous fanatic who wants to see veiled women and lond bearded young men ...
(Vev, 31 October 2010 22:25)

errr.....sorry peggy but calling someone a "fanatic wahabbi" .."crazy man" and "dangerous fanatic" is pretty much ruling out any sympathies Vev may have for this dude. Just an observation :)

Peggy

pre 13 godina

If you opose Kosovo indipendence, then burn the blue flag ... n
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Why? They hardly ever display it. They always display Albanian flag and that is the flag many, many Serbs were butchered under so why don't you get angry at your Albanian brothers in Kosovo and tell them not to abuse YOUR flag for it is your flag not theirs and then I won't have anything to say?

Fair?

fajko

pre 13 godina

History book written by who, Serbs? lol, according to them everyone was equally guilty in a Bosnian war.
It is not just history books but hard science. The easiest one is we look different. DNA testing has proven Bosnjaks have been on Balkan peninsula for over 5 thousand years, Serbs came here 1300 years ago.
And here is your last proof, Albanians love another Albanian no matter of his/her religion, Serbs insist that Bosnjaks are Islamicized Serbs but instead of loving their Serb brothers they want to exterminate them.