"Kosovo must be settled before EU accession"

We regret Austria's decision to recognize Kosovo, and we hope that Vienna will support our search for a compromise," Đelić said.

wow, If you think for a moment that Austria will say : "ej guys, I made a mistake on recognizing Kosova", you are a day dreamer Mr. ?????????

We regret Austria's decision to recognize Kosovo, and we hope that Vienna will support our search for a compromise," Đelić said.

wow, If you think for a moment that Austria will say : "ej guys, I made a mistake on recognizing Kosova", you are a day dreamer Mr. ?????????
(Agim Kelmendi)
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Where in the quote did he say that Austria will take back their recognition?

Anyways... it doesnt matter who or what recognizes you. You still need Serbia's permission to seceed.

"You still need Serbia's permission to seceed."
trudsaam

Permission? You seems to be years behind.

"It is for its Constitution and history that Serbia cannot accept any type of independence of Kosovo."

- There you have it. Bganon care to comment about the naive idea that the constitution can be changed.


P.S Serbia's permission is not needed for secession. Secession from Serbia has already occurred; just in case you missed the 90's. What is needed is stronger support from other countries to strengthen the status as a country that is equal to those in the international community. That can be achieved without the permission of the country you are seceding from. There are countless of examples. Finland went from an autonomous province of Russia to an independent country without Russia's permission to secede..

Anyways... it doesnt matter who or what recognizes you. You still need Serbia's permission to seceed.
(trudsaam, 31 October 2010 19:36)

You need to be more precise... yes permission is needed under Serbian law. If that's what you meant, you are correct.

But under international law, no permission from Serbia is required.

Why are so many nations trying to push Serbia and other nations to recognize Kosovo?
(trudsaam, 1 November 2010 00:00)

Why shouldn’t they ? What’s the harm ? Why has Vuk been collecting frequent-flyer points for the last 3 years or so ?


I thought the Kosovo status was a done deal, and that Albanians dont care about Serbia recognizing them.
(trudsaam, 1 November 2010 00:00)

Let me give you an analogy… Bill Gates wealth is some USD 53 billion. He has enough money to do whatever he and his family wants. Why is he still increasing his wealth?

There is nothing negative in trying to establish bilateral relations with as many nations as you can. I don’t understand your logic why a country should not do that. Also Kosovo is interested in good neighborly relations with Serbia, since that will be a condition for Kosovo joining the EU, the same way it is a condition for Serbia.


The reality is this; Serbia can never recognize Kosovo, so discussion about recognition is not going to happen.
(trudsaam, 1 November 2010 00:00)

Never say never… nobody is saying that Serbia will recognize Kosovo tomorrow, but we don’t have the crystal ball to see what will happen 100 or 500 years from now. History has countless examples of things that were considered unthinkable but then happened.


The Kosovo "officials" will refuse any talks about "status" since according to them it's a "done-deal".

Serbia has all to offer Kosovo, Kosovo has zero to offer back. In fact Kosovo has zero to offer they're own. So these so called "talks" will be about what exactly?
(trudsaam, 1 November 2010 00:00)

Sorry, but what is Serbia’s offer ? More than autonomy but less than independence ?! In other words Kosovo should agree to give up the “insignificant” 70 recognitions in order to get the “great favor” of being represented by Boris or Vuk in some international meetings instead of Zannier !!!


I beleive that the West alongside of these EU goons will try to offer some kind of bribe or perk for Serbia to not exactly fully recognize but at least get a little closer. In the meantime the "people" of Kosovo can enjoy the ride, because evidentally they have no say in what's ahead.
(trudsaam, 1 November 2010 00:00)

Well, it appears that people in Kosovo are just happy now for Serbia not to have a say in what’s ahead (especially considering the hate some posters here express towards Albanians), so if Serbia is happy with the current situation too, then everybody is happy and they can move forward.

"You still need Serbia's permission to seceed."
trudsaam

Permission? You seems to be years behind.
(Joe)
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Nope, I just seem to be realistic. What are these talks going to be about? Why are so many nations trying to push Serbia and other nations to recognize Kosovo? I thought the Kosovo status was a done deal, and that Albanians dont care about Serbia recognizing them.

The reality is this; Serbia can never recognize Kosovo, so discussion about recognition is not going to happen.

The Kosovo "officials" will refuse any talks about "status" since according to them it's a "done-deal".

Serbia has all to offer Kosovo, Kosovo has zero to offer back. In fact Kosovo has zero to offer they're own. So these so called "talks" will be about what exactly?

I beleive that the West alongside of these EU goons will try to offer some kind of bribe or perk for Serbia to not exactly fully recognize but at least get a little closer. In the meantime the "people" of Kosovo can enjoy the ride, because evidentally they have no say in what's ahead.

There's already talk of changing the constitution to allow for regionalization. That would be a convenient opportunity simply to remove the business in the preamble about the special status of Kosovo. Considering the way Kostunica is being attacked for possibly interfering with Mladic's capture, there may be a weakening in the support for his constitution.

But under international law, no permission from Serbia is required.
(icj1, 1 November 2010 01:20)

So then why is the West not recognizing South Ossetia and Abkhazia?

But under international law, no permission from Serbia is required.
(icj1, 1 November 2010 01:20)


So then why is the West not recognizing South Ossetia and Abkhazia?
(Ron, 1 November 2010 21:39)

The West ?!... a better description would be "almost the whole world"

Because under international law there is no requirement for a state to recognize another entity

Because under international law there is no requirement for a state to recognize another entity
(icj1)
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So why is the West pushing Serbia ohh soo hard to recognize you?... I mean Status is a done-deal right? Ohh wait ... Hillary knows in order for kosovo to work properly as an Sovereign Nation from a global perspective Serbia must recognize.

So why is the West pushing Serbia ohh soo hard to recognize you?...
(trudsaam, 3 November 2010 17:58)

I’m not aware of anybody asking anybody else to recognize me and I’ve not asked anybody for that. Not sure what you’re speaking about !!!


I mean Status is a done-deal right?
(trudsaam, 3 November 2010 17:58)

I see you are now on the same page with the Albanians in Kosovo.


Ohh wait ... Hillary knows in order for kosovo to work properly as an Sovereign Nation from a global perspective Serbia must recognize.
(trudsaam, 3 November 2010 17:58)

I don’t know. I’m not Bill to know what my wife thinks. But if you are Bill…. That’s another discussion

We regret Austria's decision to recognize Kosovo, and we hope that Vienna will support our search for a compromise," Đelić said.

wow, If you think for a moment that Austria will say : "ej guys, I made a mistake on recognizing Kosova", you are a day dreamer Mr. ?????????
(Agim Kelmendi)
-
Where in the quote did he say that Austria will take back their recognition?

Anyways... it doesnt matter who or what recognizes you. You still need Serbia's permission to seceed.

We regret Austria's decision to recognize Kosovo, and we hope that Vienna will support our search for a compromise," Đelić said.

wow, If you think for a moment that Austria will say : "ej guys, I made a mistake on recognizing Kosova", you are a day dreamer Mr. ?????????

"You still need Serbia's permission to seceed."
trudsaam

Permission? You seems to be years behind.

"You still need Serbia's permission to seceed."
trudsaam

Permission? You seems to be years behind.
(Joe)
-
Nope, I just seem to be realistic. What are these talks going to be about? Why are so many nations trying to push Serbia and other nations to recognize Kosovo? I thought the Kosovo status was a done deal, and that Albanians dont care about Serbia recognizing them.

The reality is this; Serbia can never recognize Kosovo, so discussion about recognition is not going to happen.

The Kosovo "officials" will refuse any talks about "status" since according to them it's a "done-deal".

Serbia has all to offer Kosovo, Kosovo has zero to offer back. In fact Kosovo has zero to offer they're own. So these so called "talks" will be about what exactly?

I beleive that the West alongside of these EU goons will try to offer some kind of bribe or perk for Serbia to not exactly fully recognize but at least get a little closer. In the meantime the "people" of Kosovo can enjoy the ride, because evidentally they have no say in what's ahead.

Anyways... it doesnt matter who or what recognizes you. You still need Serbia's permission to seceed.
(trudsaam, 31 October 2010 19:36)

You need to be more precise... yes permission is needed under Serbian law. If that's what you meant, you are correct.

But under international law, no permission from Serbia is required.

Why are so many nations trying to push Serbia and other nations to recognize Kosovo?
(trudsaam, 1 November 2010 00:00)

Why shouldn’t they ? What’s the harm ? Why has Vuk been collecting frequent-flyer points for the last 3 years or so ?


I thought the Kosovo status was a done deal, and that Albanians dont care about Serbia recognizing them.
(trudsaam, 1 November 2010 00:00)

Let me give you an analogy… Bill Gates wealth is some USD 53 billion. He has enough money to do whatever he and his family wants. Why is he still increasing his wealth?

There is nothing negative in trying to establish bilateral relations with as many nations as you can. I don’t understand your logic why a country should not do that. Also Kosovo is interested in good neighborly relations with Serbia, since that will be a condition for Kosovo joining the EU, the same way it is a condition for Serbia.


The reality is this; Serbia can never recognize Kosovo, so discussion about recognition is not going to happen.
(trudsaam, 1 November 2010 00:00)

Never say never… nobody is saying that Serbia will recognize Kosovo tomorrow, but we don’t have the crystal ball to see what will happen 100 or 500 years from now. History has countless examples of things that were considered unthinkable but then happened.


The Kosovo "officials" will refuse any talks about "status" since according to them it's a "done-deal".

Serbia has all to offer Kosovo, Kosovo has zero to offer back. In fact Kosovo has zero to offer they're own. So these so called "talks" will be about what exactly?
(trudsaam, 1 November 2010 00:00)

Sorry, but what is Serbia’s offer ? More than autonomy but less than independence ?! In other words Kosovo should agree to give up the “insignificant” 70 recognitions in order to get the “great favor” of being represented by Boris or Vuk in some international meetings instead of Zannier !!!


I beleive that the West alongside of these EU goons will try to offer some kind of bribe or perk for Serbia to not exactly fully recognize but at least get a little closer. In the meantime the "people" of Kosovo can enjoy the ride, because evidentally they have no say in what's ahead.
(trudsaam, 1 November 2010 00:00)

Well, it appears that people in Kosovo are just happy now for Serbia not to have a say in what’s ahead (especially considering the hate some posters here express towards Albanians), so if Serbia is happy with the current situation too, then everybody is happy and they can move forward.

"It is for its Constitution and history that Serbia cannot accept any type of independence of Kosovo."

- There you have it. Bganon care to comment about the naive idea that the constitution can be changed.


P.S Serbia's permission is not needed for secession. Secession from Serbia has already occurred; just in case you missed the 90's. What is needed is stronger support from other countries to strengthen the status as a country that is equal to those in the international community. That can be achieved without the permission of the country you are seceding from. There are countless of examples. Finland went from an autonomous province of Russia to an independent country without Russia's permission to secede..

But under international law, no permission from Serbia is required.
(icj1, 1 November 2010 01:20)

So then why is the West not recognizing South Ossetia and Abkhazia?

There's already talk of changing the constitution to allow for regionalization. That would be a convenient opportunity simply to remove the business in the preamble about the special status of Kosovo. Considering the way Kostunica is being attacked for possibly interfering with Mladic's capture, there may be a weakening in the support for his constitution.

But under international law, no permission from Serbia is required.
(icj1, 1 November 2010 01:20)


So then why is the West not recognizing South Ossetia and Abkhazia?
(Ron, 1 November 2010 21:39)

The West ?!... a better description would be "almost the whole world"

Because under international law there is no requirement for a state to recognize another entity

Because under international law there is no requirement for a state to recognize another entity
(icj1)
-
So why is the West pushing Serbia ohh soo hard to recognize you?... I mean Status is a done-deal right? Ohh wait ... Hillary knows in order for kosovo to work properly as an Sovereign Nation from a global perspective Serbia must recognize.

So why is the West pushing Serbia ohh soo hard to recognize you?...
(trudsaam, 3 November 2010 17:58)

I’m not aware of anybody asking anybody else to recognize me and I’ve not asked anybody for that. Not sure what you’re speaking about !!!


I mean Status is a done-deal right?
(trudsaam, 3 November 2010 17:58)

I see you are now on the same page with the Albanians in Kosovo.


Ohh wait ... Hillary knows in order for kosovo to work properly as an Sovereign Nation from a global perspective Serbia must recognize.
(trudsaam, 3 November 2010 17:58)

I don’t know. I’m not Bill to know what my wife thinks. But if you are Bill…. That’s another discussion