President Boris Tadić said in Vienna that he expects Europe to take into consideration the fact that the cradle of its Christian identity is in Serbia.
We would like to ask our readers to stop using racial/racist arguments, either to prove or disprove a perceived racial supremacy, as they debate this piece of news.
Peter Sodyka!
Find me a source that says that Albanians immigrated in the areas that they live today.Only ONE SOURCE please,and not Serbian one.
As for me having internet,ah...never mind!
>“Today we are facing the attempt to usurp the identity of the Serbian Orthodox existence in the territory of Kosovo and Metohija,” Tadić warned, adding that there were still intentions to build a fabricated Kosovo identity that has been in existence for two years, in contrast with the Serbian Orthodox identity, which has been around for centuries.>
tadic has now gone about as low as is possible, and just when i thought the blgd regime couldn't get worse. and we thought jeremic was a piece of work. tadic surpasses even that w/ his quasi nationalistic/religious mystical mumble-jumble.
in addition to his obvious and bizarre perversion of history ("serbia saved x-ianity") i get the distinct feeling he and his pals are trying to turn this conflict into yet another war of religion. and we thought the islamic extremists were bad (they are; not to mention the other x-ian and jewish ones). what serbia has done in the name of this "x-ianity" is unforgivable, not to mention how often they have targeted non-orthodox x-ians.
and that is assuming that it's ok to target non x-ians for annihilation, which it is not. at least for civilized people.
things have gone desperately wrong since djindjic's assassination, and the serbian domestic intellectual dissidents are utterly marginalized in the press. oh what a sad state of affairs!
as to the etiology of the present-day people of the balkans -- i will not enter that peculiar discourse. the crucial point, i believe, is that we're all cousins, like it or not, and have to learn to live together. to tolerate one another's culture, religion (or lack thereof), even learn from one another. or forever face billions of walls and partitions...
thank you. roberto
frisco
(roberto, 1 July 2010 05:28)
This is 2 minutes of my life that I will never get back reading and trying to comprehend that utter mumbo jumbo.
Another gem from Captain Frisco here - 'what serbia has done in the name of this "x-ianity" is unforgivable,'
eh! nothing about the crimes of the Ustase in which 1 million + Serbs, Jews, Roma and antifascists were annihilated in the name of... you guessed it people God Himself. Lets go further back and talk about the Spanish conquest of the Americas in which millions of native Indians died in the name of... yep you guessed it again God. I suppose Operation Storm was a big misunderstanding too eh Frisco. Do you want me to get started on the US of A? Serbs did commit crimes, we all know that but nothing on the scale that was meeted out by the Ustasa, the Croats & KLA and the US in Vietnam, Afghanistan and Iraq.
You refer to the democratically elected government of Serbia, that is elected by the people of Serbia in universal sufferage in a disaparaging and condescending tone as the "blgd regime". I think of many nasty "regimes" around the world but Belgrade isnt one of them and Boris Tadic is no Josip Broz or Slobodan Milosevic. He is a democrat like Djindjic who was elected by the people.
Tadic spoke the truth about Serbia being in the defense of Christianity when the Turks invaded the Balkans in 14th century and on the unique Serbian Christian character of Kosovo in which lies the Holy Orthodox Church which accords Kosovo i Methoija its special status. Nobody and no supernational entity will ever change or erase that as long as the serbian nation exists. You got that Frisco?
Anyway who are you as a West Coast American Jew to speak on behalf of Christians. Let me put it to you like this Frisco, you dont speak on behalf of me and many others so why dont you take a break for a while and give over the sanctimonious holier than thou clap trap because frankly quite Sir, you are nothing but a hypocrite.
Good Lord, Goebbels himself would be proud of such propaganda like you are spurting here against Serbs.
You have almost turned Serbia into the "Ewige Jude" of the now with your use of adjectives, adverbs and other overblown and melodramatical discriptions.
Take it easy, Serbia is hardly as bad as you make them to be, and I doubt anyone here is that sheepish that they would follow your hateful drivel against them.
Thanks for sharing that with us, very in-depth and compelling information there.
On a personal note, you appear to have the internet, why not research a little on human migrations and European history. That way, you might not look like a complete buffoon next time you engage in such topics.
The world would be a better place without the disease of religion.
(Ian, UK, 30 June 2010 11:18)
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Are you talking to the Muslims now?
Let's see, all the fighting around the globe today somehow involve Muslims. Seems like they are the only ones who take their religion too seriously and want to spread it around.
Religion is not the problem. It's the ignorant people who take it too seriously and do horrible things in the name of.
Serbs were referring to themselves as Illyrians long before the Germans and Austrians started putting into the Albanians heads.
Vuk Karadzic noted in the 1800's how some Serbs were referring to that ancestry. The Albanians had the Germans decide to push their dubious Illyrian ancestry.
But Albanians don't seem to have the engineering/shipbuilding ingenuity and skills which were a hallmark of the real Illyrians.
>“Today we are facing the attempt to usurp the identity of the Serbian Orthodox existence in the territory of Kosovo and Metohija,” Tadić warned, adding that there were still intentions to build a fabricated Kosovo identity that has been in existence for two years, in contrast with the Serbian Orthodox identity, which has been around for centuries.>
tadic has now gone about as low as is possible, and just when i thought the blgd regime couldn't get worse. and we thought jeremic was a piece of work. tadic surpasses even that w/ his quasi nationalistic/religious mystical mumble-jumble.
in addition to his obvious and bizarre perversion of history ("serbia saved x-ianity") i get the distinct feeling he and his pals are trying to turn this conflict into yet another war of religion. and we thought the islamic extremists were bad (they are; not to mention the other x-ian and jewish ones). what serbia has done in the name of this "x-ianity" is unforgivable, not to mention how often they have targeted non-orthodox x-ians.
and that is assuming that it's ok to target non x-ians for annihilation, which it is not. at least for civilized people.
things have gone desperately wrong since djindjic's assassination, and the serbian domestic intellectual dissidents are utterly marginalized in the press. oh what a sad state of affairs!
as to the etiology of the present-day people of the balkans -- i will not enter that peculiar discourse. the crucial point, i believe, is that we're all cousins, like it or not, and have to learn to live together. to tolerate one another's culture, religion (or lack thereof), even learn from one another. or forever face billions of walls and partitions...
However that may be, it is generally recognized today that the Albanians are the most ancient race in southesatern Europe. All indications point to the fact that they are descendants of the earliest Aryan immigrants who were represented in historical times by the kindred Illyrians, Macedonians and Epirots. According to the opinion of most ethnologists and linguists, the Illyrians formed the core of pre-Hellenic, Tyrrhenopelasgian population, which inhabited the southern portion of the Peninsula and extended its limits to Thrace and Italy. The Illyrians were also Pelasgians, but in a wider sense. Moreover it is believed that of these cognate races, which are described by the ancient Greek writers as "barbarous" and "non-Hellenic," the Illyrians were the progenitors of the Ghegs, or Northern Albanians, and the Epirots the progenitors of the Tosks, or Southern Albanians. This general opinion is borne out the statement of Strabo that the Via Egnatia or ®gitana, which he describes as forming the boundary between the Illyrians and the Epirots, practically corresponds with the course of river Shkumbini, which now seperates the Ghegs from the Tosks. The same geographer states that Epirots were also called Pelasgians. The Pelasgian Zeus, whose memory survives even today in the appellation of God as "Zot" by the modern Albanians, was worshiped at Dodona, where the most famous oracle of ancient times was situated. According to Herodotus the neighborhood of the sanctuary was called Pelasgia.
These findings of the ethnologists are, moreover, strenghthened by the unbroken traditions of the natives, who regard themselves, and with pride as the descendants of the aboriginal settlers of the Balkan Peninsula. They, therefore, they think have the best claims on it. It is also on the strength of these traditions that the Albanian looks upon the other Balkan nationalities as mere intruders who have expropriated him of much that was properly his own. Hence the constsant border warfare which has gone on for centuries between the Albanian and his neighbors.
(Jarina, 30 June 2010 21:46)
albanians are not illyirian and first off tadic is a good president and speaks well and here is the proof of you all albanians have no illyrian blood just you talk about about with no facts and the world have stated this in all kinds of history books and all so enjoy
However that may be, it is generally recognized today that the Albanians are the most ancient race in southesatern Europe. All indications point to the fact that they are descendants of the earliest Aryan immigrants who were represented in historical times by the kindred Illyrians, Macedonians and Epirots. According to the opinion of most ethnologists and linguists, the Illyrians formed the core of pre-Hellenic, Tyrrhenopelasgian population, which inhabited the southern portion of the Peninsula and extended its limits to Thrace and Italy. The Illyrians were also Pelasgians, but in a wider sense. Moreover it is believed that of these cognate races, which are described by the ancient Greek writers as "barbarous" and "non-Hellenic," the Illyrians were the progenitors of the Ghegs, or Northern Albanians, and the Epirots the progenitors of the Tosks, or Southern Albanians. This general opinion is borne out the statement of Strabo that the Via Egnatia or ®gitana, which he describes as forming the boundary between the Illyrians and the Epirots, practically corresponds with the course of river Shkumbini, which now seperates the Ghegs from the Tosks. The same geographer states that Epirots were also called Pelasgians. The Pelasgian Zeus, whose memory survives even today in the appellation of God as "Zot" by the modern Albanians, was worshiped at Dodona, where the most famous oracle of ancient times was situated. According to Herodotus the neighborhood of the sanctuary was called Pelasgia.
These findings of the ethnologists are, moreover, strenghthened by the unbroken traditions of the natives, who regard themselves, and with pride as the descendants of the aboriginal settlers of the Balkan Peninsula. They, therefore, they think have the best claims on it. It is also on the strength of these traditions that the Albanian looks upon the other Balkan nationalities as mere intruders who have expropriated him of much that was properly his own. Hence the constsant border warfare which has gone on for centuries between the Albanian and his neighbors.
Lenard its funny but this was the language used by Croatian officials in Austria and Germany when they were lobbying for Croatian independence.
Croats were the last bastion of European 'civilised' cathlocism before the primitive Balkans begun.
If you are wondering about that message, we should all also collectively wonder why Serbia and Croatia think it is effective in these central European countries.
Thanks for that Peter Sudyka. Your comment is a shining light surrounded by albanian comments.
I, for one, fully support Tadic's comments, and I am no fan of his usually. He finaly today sounds patriotic, I'm not sure what's gotten into him. But it's good. Bring it on!!
The fact that he has irked so many albanians on here with his truthful statements is a great sign.
Keep Constantine, we don't need him. Tadic guy is making us look bad, he got the rest of the world saying "that's your neighbor?" Keep instigating attacks because with religion your not gaining any leverage.
Tadić warned, adding that there were still intentions to build a fabricated Kosovo identity that has been in existence for two years, in contrast with the Serbian Orthodox identity, which has been around for centuries.
ej Mr. Tadic , do you really mean that albanians just droped on your land and they came with flying sourcers from the planet Mars? I am wondering if this guys is a President of a country or he is just a kid around the block???
Reminding that Roman Emperor Constantine was born in the territory of today's Serbia, and that during his reign Christianity became a state religion in the Roman Empire, Tadić said that Europe and its Christian identity were born in Serbia.
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What's so funny about that?
Constantine was born in Naissus in Moesia Superior, Illria (today's Niš in Serbia). This is a fact.
Nowhere here has Tadic claimed that Slavic Serbs brought Christianity to Europe, he is claiming that European Christian identity was born in what is now Serbia, which is correct.
In any case, why bring the Slavic arguement into this? Serbs are Slavicized Illyrians, Dacians and Thracians in any case, just like any other Southern Slavs, since Slavic invaders conquered and assimilated the native peoples of the Balkans to form the stock found in the region today.
Or did the European natives just disappear? Or better yet, they they just become Albanians? ;)
I know some Albanian posters here will start frothing at the mouth at the facts above, but frankly, Serbs have equal claim to being Illyrians as you do.
Lela
Christianity is not important in Europe anymore? Do please offer your insight as to why muslim Turkey, who has applied for EU membership long before any of the 12 most recent CHRISTIAN EU Members, has still not been admitted (despite having a superior economy to the two most recent, Romania and Bulgaria)? Come on, do tell.
The EU is a Christian club and it will always remain so. Europe is Christian.
Religion is a thing of the past. As soon as we get over these pre-Mediaeval superstitions we will have peace in the world. Religion gets in the way of everything, look at every war, every dispute everywhere in the world, and religion always has an important role. The world would be a better place without the disease of religion.
Constantine? What an argument to use.This man is rapidly becoming a laughing stock.
His begging of Austrians not exactly historically the friends of Serbia or Serbs shows his vacuous diplomacy.Don't tell me Austria still hasn't recognised Kosovo.
"“Today we are facing the attempt to usurp the identity of the Serbian Orthodox existence in the territory of Kosovo and Metohija,” Tadić warned, adding that there were still intentions to build a fabricated Kosovo identity that has been in existence for two years, in contrast with the Serbian Orthodox identity, which has been around for centuries. "
LOL, what a loughing stock.
Tadic that fabricates history with Justin being a Slav now...
Remember Tadic that when the balkans were first Chrisianised, Slavik invassions were 400 years away. So spare us your usual "unique" Serb history.
Truly unbelivable to have a president with girly emotions.
"Tadić said that Europe and its Christian identity were born in Serbia."
Oh Please. Let me sit down and laugh for a bit. This is such a Balkan mentality--Constantine was born in modern day Serbia, therefore we invented Christianity for all you Evropeans! That is about the most pathetic excuse he could have come up with. Plus, wrong strategy Tadic--Europe does not like Christianity anymore--haven't you looked at the E.U. countries? They shun religion, including Christianity for their "progressive liberalism". Stay out of the E.U. and focus on solving the Kosovo dilemma on your own, because the European masters won't support you.
How funny hearing of Tadic playing (distorted) history teacher... Why didn't he tell the Chancellor and co how much Gavrilo Priincip loved the Austrians? :D
What the heck is that all about Boris Tadić are the Turks marching again to the field of black birds to do battle. Are you rallying the atheist European nations to do battle for Christianity, wow for a minute you had me going their good one.
Lenard, Tadic is seeing his election going: neither EU neither Kosova. They gambled and lost, maybe 2 years ago they could have cut a deal for easy EU membership, not now. His entire promise was fast EU membership (and Kosova,) what now?
The smartest man will end up Sali Berisha, the election thief. He called the Arabs for investments, the Chinese and the Italians when he realized that EU is 10+ years away: cement plants, roads, tourist villages and of course drilling. By 2013-14 Albania will not import any gas and might even export since billions of barrels might be there. With development you get in EU yourself, if you even want to. Not to mention that EU loves gas and secure oil
" Reminding that Roman Emperor Constantine was born in the territory of today's Serbia, and that during his reign Christianity became a state religion in the Roman Empire, Tadić said that Europe and its Christian identity were born in Serbia. "
Merkel made it clear that after Cro no more EU enlargement now Tadic plays this last desperate card. By the way, I thought Serbs are Slavs and Constantine was some sort of Illyrian.
Thanks for that Peter Sudyka. Your comment is a shining light surrounded by albanian comments.
I, for one, fully support Tadic's comments, and I am no fan of his usually. He finaly today sounds patriotic, I'm not sure what's gotten into him. But it's good. Bring it on!!
The fact that he has irked so many albanians on here with his truthful statements is a great sign.
What the heck is that all about Boris Tadić are the Turks marching again to the field of black birds to do battle. Are you rallying the atheist European nations to do battle for Christianity, wow for a minute you had me going their good one.
"Tadić said that Europe and its Christian identity were born in Serbia."
Oh Please. Let me sit down and laugh for a bit. This is such a Balkan mentality--Constantine was born in modern day Serbia, therefore we invented Christianity for all you Evropeans! That is about the most pathetic excuse he could have come up with. Plus, wrong strategy Tadic--Europe does not like Christianity anymore--haven't you looked at the E.U. countries? They shun religion, including Christianity for their "progressive liberalism". Stay out of the E.U. and focus on solving the Kosovo dilemma on your own, because the European masters won't support you.
Reminding that Roman Emperor Constantine was born in the territory of today's Serbia, and that during his reign Christianity became a state religion in the Roman Empire, Tadić said that Europe and its Christian identity were born in Serbia.
----------
What's so funny about that?
Constantine was born in Naissus in Moesia Superior, Illria (today's Niš in Serbia). This is a fact.
Nowhere here has Tadic claimed that Slavic Serbs brought Christianity to Europe, he is claiming that European Christian identity was born in what is now Serbia, which is correct.
In any case, why bring the Slavic arguement into this? Serbs are Slavicized Illyrians, Dacians and Thracians in any case, just like any other Southern Slavs, since Slavic invaders conquered and assimilated the native peoples of the Balkans to form the stock found in the region today.
Or did the European natives just disappear? Or better yet, they they just become Albanians? ;)
I know some Albanian posters here will start frothing at the mouth at the facts above, but frankly, Serbs have equal claim to being Illyrians as you do.
Lela
Christianity is not important in Europe anymore? Do please offer your insight as to why muslim Turkey, who has applied for EU membership long before any of the 12 most recent CHRISTIAN EU Members, has still not been admitted (despite having a superior economy to the two most recent, Romania and Bulgaria)? Come on, do tell.
The EU is a Christian club and it will always remain so. Europe is Christian.
"“Today we are facing the attempt to usurp the identity of the Serbian Orthodox existence in the territory of Kosovo and Metohija,” Tadić warned, adding that there were still intentions to build a fabricated Kosovo identity that has been in existence for two years, in contrast with the Serbian Orthodox identity, which has been around for centuries. "
LOL, what a loughing stock.
Tadic that fabricates history with Justin being a Slav now...
Remember Tadic that when the balkans were first Chrisianised, Slavik invassions were 400 years away. So spare us your usual "unique" Serb history.
Truly unbelivable to have a president with girly emotions.
" Reminding that Roman Emperor Constantine was born in the territory of today's Serbia, and that during his reign Christianity became a state religion in the Roman Empire, Tadić said that Europe and its Christian identity were born in Serbia. "
Merkel made it clear that after Cro no more EU enlargement now Tadic plays this last desperate card. By the way, I thought Serbs are Slavs and Constantine was some sort of Illyrian.
How funny hearing of Tadic playing (distorted) history teacher... Why didn't he tell the Chancellor and co how much Gavrilo Priincip loved the Austrians? :D
Religion is a thing of the past. As soon as we get over these pre-Mediaeval superstitions we will have peace in the world. Religion gets in the way of everything, look at every war, every dispute everywhere in the world, and religion always has an important role. The world would be a better place without the disease of religion.
Tadić warned, adding that there were still intentions to build a fabricated Kosovo identity that has been in existence for two years, in contrast with the Serbian Orthodox identity, which has been around for centuries.
ej Mr. Tadic , do you really mean that albanians just droped on your land and they came with flying sourcers from the planet Mars? I am wondering if this guys is a President of a country or he is just a kid around the block???
Lenard, Tadic is seeing his election going: neither EU neither Kosova. They gambled and lost, maybe 2 years ago they could have cut a deal for easy EU membership, not now. His entire promise was fast EU membership (and Kosova,) what now?
The smartest man will end up Sali Berisha, the election thief. He called the Arabs for investments, the Chinese and the Italians when he realized that EU is 10+ years away: cement plants, roads, tourist villages and of course drilling. By 2013-14 Albania will not import any gas and might even export since billions of barrels might be there. With development you get in EU yourself, if you even want to. Not to mention that EU loves gas and secure oil
Constantine? What an argument to use.This man is rapidly becoming a laughing stock.
His begging of Austrians not exactly historically the friends of Serbia or Serbs shows his vacuous diplomacy.Don't tell me Austria still hasn't recognised Kosovo.
Lenard its funny but this was the language used by Croatian officials in Austria and Germany when they were lobbying for Croatian independence.
Croats were the last bastion of European 'civilised' cathlocism before the primitive Balkans begun.
If you are wondering about that message, we should all also collectively wonder why Serbia and Croatia think it is effective in these central European countries.
>“Today we are facing the attempt to usurp the identity of the Serbian Orthodox existence in the territory of Kosovo and Metohija,” Tadić warned, adding that there were still intentions to build a fabricated Kosovo identity that has been in existence for two years, in contrast with the Serbian Orthodox identity, which has been around for centuries.>
tadic has now gone about as low as is possible, and just when i thought the blgd regime couldn't get worse. and we thought jeremic was a piece of work. tadic surpasses even that w/ his quasi nationalistic/religious mystical mumble-jumble.
in addition to his obvious and bizarre perversion of history ("serbia saved x-ianity") i get the distinct feeling he and his pals are trying to turn this conflict into yet another war of religion. and we thought the islamic extremists were bad (they are; not to mention the other x-ian and jewish ones). what serbia has done in the name of this "x-ianity" is unforgivable, not to mention how often they have targeted non-orthodox x-ians.
and that is assuming that it's ok to target non x-ians for annihilation, which it is not. at least for civilized people.
things have gone desperately wrong since djindjic's assassination, and the serbian domestic intellectual dissidents are utterly marginalized in the press. oh what a sad state of affairs!
as to the etiology of the present-day people of the balkans -- i will not enter that peculiar discourse. the crucial point, i believe, is that we're all cousins, like it or not, and have to learn to live together. to tolerate one another's culture, religion (or lack thereof), even learn from one another. or forever face billions of walls and partitions...
thank you. roberto
frisco
(roberto, 1 July 2010 05:28)
This is 2 minutes of my life that I will never get back reading and trying to comprehend that utter mumbo jumbo.
Another gem from Captain Frisco here - 'what serbia has done in the name of this "x-ianity" is unforgivable,'
eh! nothing about the crimes of the Ustase in which 1 million + Serbs, Jews, Roma and antifascists were annihilated in the name of... you guessed it people God Himself. Lets go further back and talk about the Spanish conquest of the Americas in which millions of native Indians died in the name of... yep you guessed it again God. I suppose Operation Storm was a big misunderstanding too eh Frisco. Do you want me to get started on the US of A? Serbs did commit crimes, we all know that but nothing on the scale that was meeted out by the Ustasa, the Croats & KLA and the US in Vietnam, Afghanistan and Iraq.
You refer to the democratically elected government of Serbia, that is elected by the people of Serbia in universal sufferage in a disaparaging and condescending tone as the "blgd regime". I think of many nasty "regimes" around the world but Belgrade isnt one of them and Boris Tadic is no Josip Broz or Slobodan Milosevic. He is a democrat like Djindjic who was elected by the people.
Tadic spoke the truth about Serbia being in the defense of Christianity when the Turks invaded the Balkans in 14th century and on the unique Serbian Christian character of Kosovo in which lies the Holy Orthodox Church which accords Kosovo i Methoija its special status. Nobody and no supernational entity will ever change or erase that as long as the serbian nation exists. You got that Frisco?
Anyway who are you as a West Coast American Jew to speak on behalf of Christians. Let me put it to you like this Frisco, you dont speak on behalf of me and many others so why dont you take a break for a while and give over the sanctimonious holier than thou clap trap because frankly quite Sir, you are nothing but a hypocrite.
>“Today we are facing the attempt to usurp the identity of the Serbian Orthodox existence in the territory of Kosovo and Metohija,” Tadić warned, adding that there were still intentions to build a fabricated Kosovo identity that has been in existence for two years, in contrast with the Serbian Orthodox identity, which has been around for centuries.>
tadic has now gone about as low as is possible, and just when i thought the blgd regime couldn't get worse. and we thought jeremic was a piece of work. tadic surpasses even that w/ his quasi nationalistic/religious mystical mumble-jumble.
in addition to his obvious and bizarre perversion of history ("serbia saved x-ianity") i get the distinct feeling he and his pals are trying to turn this conflict into yet another war of religion. and we thought the islamic extremists were bad (they are; not to mention the other x-ian and jewish ones). what serbia has done in the name of this "x-ianity" is unforgivable, not to mention how often they have targeted non-orthodox x-ians.
and that is assuming that it's ok to target non x-ians for annihilation, which it is not. at least for civilized people.
things have gone desperately wrong since djindjic's assassination, and the serbian domestic intellectual dissidents are utterly marginalized in the press. oh what a sad state of affairs!
as to the etiology of the present-day people of the balkans -- i will not enter that peculiar discourse. the crucial point, i believe, is that we're all cousins, like it or not, and have to learn to live together. to tolerate one another's culture, religion (or lack thereof), even learn from one another. or forever face billions of walls and partitions...
Peter Sodyka!
Find me a source that says that Albanians immigrated in the areas that they live today.Only ONE SOURCE please,and not Serbian one.
As for me having internet,ah...never mind!
Keep Constantine, we don't need him. Tadic guy is making us look bad, he got the rest of the world saying "that's your neighbor?" Keep instigating attacks because with religion your not gaining any leverage.
However that may be, it is generally recognized today that the Albanians are the most ancient race in southesatern Europe. All indications point to the fact that they are descendants of the earliest Aryan immigrants who were represented in historical times by the kindred Illyrians, Macedonians and Epirots. According to the opinion of most ethnologists and linguists, the Illyrians formed the core of pre-Hellenic, Tyrrhenopelasgian population, which inhabited the southern portion of the Peninsula and extended its limits to Thrace and Italy. The Illyrians were also Pelasgians, but in a wider sense. Moreover it is believed that of these cognate races, which are described by the ancient Greek writers as "barbarous" and "non-Hellenic," the Illyrians were the progenitors of the Ghegs, or Northern Albanians, and the Epirots the progenitors of the Tosks, or Southern Albanians. This general opinion is borne out the statement of Strabo that the Via Egnatia or ®gitana, which he describes as forming the boundary between the Illyrians and the Epirots, practically corresponds with the course of river Shkumbini, which now seperates the Ghegs from the Tosks. The same geographer states that Epirots were also called Pelasgians. The Pelasgian Zeus, whose memory survives even today in the appellation of God as "Zot" by the modern Albanians, was worshiped at Dodona, where the most famous oracle of ancient times was situated. According to Herodotus the neighborhood of the sanctuary was called Pelasgia.
These findings of the ethnologists are, moreover, strenghthened by the unbroken traditions of the natives, who regard themselves, and with pride as the descendants of the aboriginal settlers of the Balkan Peninsula. They, therefore, they think have the best claims on it. It is also on the strength of these traditions that the Albanian looks upon the other Balkan nationalities as mere intruders who have expropriated him of much that was properly his own. Hence the constsant border warfare which has gone on for centuries between the Albanian and his neighbors.
Good Lord, Goebbels himself would be proud of such propaganda like you are spurting here against Serbs.
You have almost turned Serbia into the "Ewige Jude" of the now with your use of adjectives, adverbs and other overblown and melodramatical discriptions.
Take it easy, Serbia is hardly as bad as you make them to be, and I doubt anyone here is that sheepish that they would follow your hateful drivel against them.
The world would be a better place without the disease of religion.
(Ian, UK, 30 June 2010 11:18)
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Are you talking to the Muslims now?
Let's see, all the fighting around the globe today somehow involve Muslims. Seems like they are the only ones who take their religion too seriously and want to spread it around.
Religion is not the problem. It's the ignorant people who take it too seriously and do horrible things in the name of.
However that may be, it is generally recognized today that the Albanians are the most ancient race in southesatern Europe. All indications point to the fact that they are descendants of the earliest Aryan immigrants who were represented in historical times by the kindred Illyrians, Macedonians and Epirots. According to the opinion of most ethnologists and linguists, the Illyrians formed the core of pre-Hellenic, Tyrrhenopelasgian population, which inhabited the southern portion of the Peninsula and extended its limits to Thrace and Italy. The Illyrians were also Pelasgians, but in a wider sense. Moreover it is believed that of these cognate races, which are described by the ancient Greek writers as "barbarous" and "non-Hellenic," the Illyrians were the progenitors of the Ghegs, or Northern Albanians, and the Epirots the progenitors of the Tosks, or Southern Albanians. This general opinion is borne out the statement of Strabo that the Via Egnatia or ®gitana, which he describes as forming the boundary between the Illyrians and the Epirots, practically corresponds with the course of river Shkumbini, which now seperates the Ghegs from the Tosks. The same geographer states that Epirots were also called Pelasgians. The Pelasgian Zeus, whose memory survives even today in the appellation of God as "Zot" by the modern Albanians, was worshiped at Dodona, where the most famous oracle of ancient times was situated. According to Herodotus the neighborhood of the sanctuary was called Pelasgia.
These findings of the ethnologists are, moreover, strenghthened by the unbroken traditions of the natives, who regard themselves, and with pride as the descendants of the aboriginal settlers of the Balkan Peninsula. They, therefore, they think have the best claims on it. It is also on the strength of these traditions that the Albanian looks upon the other Balkan nationalities as mere intruders who have expropriated him of much that was properly his own. Hence the constsant border warfare which has gone on for centuries between the Albanian and his neighbors.
(Jarina, 30 June 2010 21:46)
albanians are not illyirian and first off tadic is a good president and speaks well and here is the proof of you all albanians have no illyrian blood just you talk about about with no facts and the world have stated this in all kinds of history books and all so enjoy
Serbs were referring to themselves as Illyrians long before the Germans and Austrians started putting into the Albanians heads.
Vuk Karadzic noted in the 1800's how some Serbs were referring to that ancestry. The Albanians had the Germans decide to push their dubious Illyrian ancestry.
But Albanians don't seem to have the engineering/shipbuilding ingenuity and skills which were a hallmark of the real Illyrians.
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Thanks for sharing that with us, very in-depth and compelling information there.
On a personal note, you appear to have the internet, why not research a little on human migrations and European history. That way, you might not look like a complete buffoon next time you engage in such topics.
What the heck is that all about Boris Tadić are the Turks marching again to the field of black birds to do battle. Are you rallying the atheist European nations to do battle for Christianity, wow for a minute you had me going their good one.
"“Today we are facing the attempt to usurp the identity of the Serbian Orthodox existence in the territory of Kosovo and Metohija,” Tadić warned, adding that there were still intentions to build a fabricated Kosovo identity that has been in existence for two years, in contrast with the Serbian Orthodox identity, which has been around for centuries. "
LOL, what a loughing stock.
Tadic that fabricates history with Justin being a Slav now...
Remember Tadic that when the balkans were first Chrisianised, Slavik invassions were 400 years away. So spare us your usual "unique" Serb history.
Truly unbelivable to have a president with girly emotions.
" Reminding that Roman Emperor Constantine was born in the territory of today's Serbia, and that during his reign Christianity became a state religion in the Roman Empire, Tadić said that Europe and its Christian identity were born in Serbia. "
Merkel made it clear that after Cro no more EU enlargement now Tadic plays this last desperate card. By the way, I thought Serbs are Slavs and Constantine was some sort of Illyrian.
How funny hearing of Tadic playing (distorted) history teacher... Why didn't he tell the Chancellor and co how much Gavrilo Priincip loved the Austrians? :D
Tadić warned, adding that there were still intentions to build a fabricated Kosovo identity that has been in existence for two years, in contrast with the Serbian Orthodox identity, which has been around for centuries.
ej Mr. Tadic , do you really mean that albanians just droped on your land and they came with flying sourcers from the planet Mars? I am wondering if this guys is a President of a country or he is just a kid around the block???
Lenard, Tadic is seeing his election going: neither EU neither Kosova. They gambled and lost, maybe 2 years ago they could have cut a deal for easy EU membership, not now. His entire promise was fast EU membership (and Kosova,) what now?
The smartest man will end up Sali Berisha, the election thief. He called the Arabs for investments, the Chinese and the Italians when he realized that EU is 10+ years away: cement plants, roads, tourist villages and of course drilling. By 2013-14 Albania will not import any gas and might even export since billions of barrels might be there. With development you get in EU yourself, if you even want to. Not to mention that EU loves gas and secure oil
"Tadić said that Europe and its Christian identity were born in Serbia."
Oh Please. Let me sit down and laugh for a bit. This is such a Balkan mentality--Constantine was born in modern day Serbia, therefore we invented Christianity for all you Evropeans! That is about the most pathetic excuse he could have come up with. Plus, wrong strategy Tadic--Europe does not like Christianity anymore--haven't you looked at the E.U. countries? They shun religion, including Christianity for their "progressive liberalism". Stay out of the E.U. and focus on solving the Kosovo dilemma on your own, because the European masters won't support you.
Religion is a thing of the past. As soon as we get over these pre-Mediaeval superstitions we will have peace in the world. Religion gets in the way of everything, look at every war, every dispute everywhere in the world, and religion always has an important role. The world would be a better place without the disease of religion.
Constantine? What an argument to use.This man is rapidly becoming a laughing stock.
His begging of Austrians not exactly historically the friends of Serbia or Serbs shows his vacuous diplomacy.Don't tell me Austria still hasn't recognised Kosovo.
Reminding that Roman Emperor Constantine was born in the territory of today's Serbia, and that during his reign Christianity became a state religion in the Roman Empire, Tadić said that Europe and its Christian identity were born in Serbia.
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What's so funny about that?
Constantine was born in Naissus in Moesia Superior, Illria (today's Niš in Serbia). This is a fact.
Nowhere here has Tadic claimed that Slavic Serbs brought Christianity to Europe, he is claiming that European Christian identity was born in what is now Serbia, which is correct.
In any case, why bring the Slavic arguement into this? Serbs are Slavicized Illyrians, Dacians and Thracians in any case, just like any other Southern Slavs, since Slavic invaders conquered and assimilated the native peoples of the Balkans to form the stock found in the region today.
Or did the European natives just disappear? Or better yet, they they just become Albanians? ;)
I know some Albanian posters here will start frothing at the mouth at the facts above, but frankly, Serbs have equal claim to being Illyrians as you do.
Lela
Christianity is not important in Europe anymore? Do please offer your insight as to why muslim Turkey, who has applied for EU membership long before any of the 12 most recent CHRISTIAN EU Members, has still not been admitted (despite having a superior economy to the two most recent, Romania and Bulgaria)? Come on, do tell.
The EU is a Christian club and it will always remain so. Europe is Christian.
However that may be, it is generally recognized today that the Albanians are the most ancient race in southesatern Europe. All indications point to the fact that they are descendants of the earliest Aryan immigrants who were represented in historical times by the kindred Illyrians, Macedonians and Epirots. According to the opinion of most ethnologists and linguists, the Illyrians formed the core of pre-Hellenic, Tyrrhenopelasgian population, which inhabited the southern portion of the Peninsula and extended its limits to Thrace and Italy. The Illyrians were also Pelasgians, but in a wider sense. Moreover it is believed that of these cognate races, which are described by the ancient Greek writers as "barbarous" and "non-Hellenic," the Illyrians were the progenitors of the Ghegs, or Northern Albanians, and the Epirots the progenitors of the Tosks, or Southern Albanians. This general opinion is borne out the statement of Strabo that the Via Egnatia or ®gitana, which he describes as forming the boundary between the Illyrians and the Epirots, practically corresponds with the course of river Shkumbini, which now seperates the Ghegs from the Tosks. The same geographer states that Epirots were also called Pelasgians. The Pelasgian Zeus, whose memory survives even today in the appellation of God as "Zot" by the modern Albanians, was worshiped at Dodona, where the most famous oracle of ancient times was situated. According to Herodotus the neighborhood of the sanctuary was called Pelasgia.
These findings of the ethnologists are, moreover, strenghthened by the unbroken traditions of the natives, who regard themselves, and with pride as the descendants of the aboriginal settlers of the Balkan Peninsula. They, therefore, they think have the best claims on it. It is also on the strength of these traditions that the Albanian looks upon the other Balkan nationalities as mere intruders who have expropriated him of much that was properly his own. Hence the constsant border warfare which has gone on for centuries between the Albanian and his neighbors.
Thanks for that Peter Sudyka. Your comment is a shining light surrounded by albanian comments.
I, for one, fully support Tadic's comments, and I am no fan of his usually. He finaly today sounds patriotic, I'm not sure what's gotten into him. But it's good. Bring it on!!
The fact that he has irked so many albanians on here with his truthful statements is a great sign.
Keep Constantine, we don't need him. Tadic guy is making us look bad, he got the rest of the world saying "that's your neighbor?" Keep instigating attacks because with religion your not gaining any leverage.
>“Today we are facing the attempt to usurp the identity of the Serbian Orthodox existence in the territory of Kosovo and Metohija,” Tadić warned, adding that there were still intentions to build a fabricated Kosovo identity that has been in existence for two years, in contrast with the Serbian Orthodox identity, which has been around for centuries.>
tadic has now gone about as low as is possible, and just when i thought the blgd regime couldn't get worse. and we thought jeremic was a piece of work. tadic surpasses even that w/ his quasi nationalistic/religious mystical mumble-jumble.
in addition to his obvious and bizarre perversion of history ("serbia saved x-ianity") i get the distinct feeling he and his pals are trying to turn this conflict into yet another war of religion. and we thought the islamic extremists were bad (they are; not to mention the other x-ian and jewish ones). what serbia has done in the name of this "x-ianity" is unforgivable, not to mention how often they have targeted non-orthodox x-ians.
and that is assuming that it's ok to target non x-ians for annihilation, which it is not. at least for civilized people.
things have gone desperately wrong since djindjic's assassination, and the serbian domestic intellectual dissidents are utterly marginalized in the press. oh what a sad state of affairs!
as to the etiology of the present-day people of the balkans -- i will not enter that peculiar discourse. the crucial point, i believe, is that we're all cousins, like it or not, and have to learn to live together. to tolerate one another's culture, religion (or lack thereof), even learn from one another. or forever face billions of walls and partitions...
thank you. roberto
frisco
(roberto, 1 July 2010 05:28)
This is 2 minutes of my life that I will never get back reading and trying to comprehend that utter mumbo jumbo.
Another gem from Captain Frisco here - 'what serbia has done in the name of this "x-ianity" is unforgivable,'
eh! nothing about the crimes of the Ustase in which 1 million + Serbs, Jews, Roma and antifascists were annihilated in the name of... you guessed it people God Himself. Lets go further back and talk about the Spanish conquest of the Americas in which millions of native Indians died in the name of... yep you guessed it again God. I suppose Operation Storm was a big misunderstanding too eh Frisco. Do you want me to get started on the US of A? Serbs did commit crimes, we all know that but nothing on the scale that was meeted out by the Ustasa, the Croats & KLA and the US in Vietnam, Afghanistan and Iraq.
You refer to the democratically elected government of Serbia, that is elected by the people of Serbia in universal sufferage in a disaparaging and condescending tone as the "blgd regime". I think of many nasty "regimes" around the world but Belgrade isnt one of them and Boris Tadic is no Josip Broz or Slobodan Milosevic. He is a democrat like Djindjic who was elected by the people.
Tadic spoke the truth about Serbia being in the defense of Christianity when the Turks invaded the Balkans in 14th century and on the unique Serbian Christian character of Kosovo in which lies the Holy Orthodox Church which accords Kosovo i Methoija its special status. Nobody and no supernational entity will ever change or erase that as long as the serbian nation exists. You got that Frisco?
Anyway who are you as a West Coast American Jew to speak on behalf of Christians. Let me put it to you like this Frisco, you dont speak on behalf of me and many others so why dont you take a break for a while and give over the sanctimonious holier than thou clap trap because frankly quite Sir, you are nothing but a hypocrite.
>“Today we are facing the attempt to usurp the identity of the Serbian Orthodox existence in the territory of Kosovo and Metohija,” Tadić warned, adding that there were still intentions to build a fabricated Kosovo identity that has been in existence for two years, in contrast with the Serbian Orthodox identity, which has been around for centuries.>
tadic has now gone about as low as is possible, and just when i thought the blgd regime couldn't get worse. and we thought jeremic was a piece of work. tadic surpasses even that w/ his quasi nationalistic/religious mystical mumble-jumble.
in addition to his obvious and bizarre perversion of history ("serbia saved x-ianity") i get the distinct feeling he and his pals are trying to turn this conflict into yet another war of religion. and we thought the islamic extremists were bad (they are; not to mention the other x-ian and jewish ones). what serbia has done in the name of this "x-ianity" is unforgivable, not to mention how often they have targeted non-orthodox x-ians.
and that is assuming that it's ok to target non x-ians for annihilation, which it is not. at least for civilized people.
things have gone desperately wrong since djindjic's assassination, and the serbian domestic intellectual dissidents are utterly marginalized in the press. oh what a sad state of affairs!
as to the etiology of the present-day people of the balkans -- i will not enter that peculiar discourse. the crucial point, i believe, is that we're all cousins, like it or not, and have to learn to live together. to tolerate one another's culture, religion (or lack thereof), even learn from one another. or forever face billions of walls and partitions...
Good Lord, Goebbels himself would be proud of such propaganda like you are spurting here against Serbs.
You have almost turned Serbia into the "Ewige Jude" of the now with your use of adjectives, adverbs and other overblown and melodramatical discriptions.
Take it easy, Serbia is hardly as bad as you make them to be, and I doubt anyone here is that sheepish that they would follow your hateful drivel against them.
The world would be a better place without the disease of religion.
(Ian, UK, 30 June 2010 11:18)
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Are you talking to the Muslims now?
Let's see, all the fighting around the globe today somehow involve Muslims. Seems like they are the only ones who take their religion too seriously and want to spread it around.
Religion is not the problem. It's the ignorant people who take it too seriously and do horrible things in the name of.
Lenard its funny but this was the language used by Croatian officials in Austria and Germany when they were lobbying for Croatian independence.
Croats were the last bastion of European 'civilised' cathlocism before the primitive Balkans begun.
If you are wondering about that message, we should all also collectively wonder why Serbia and Croatia think it is effective in these central European countries.
Serbs were referring to themselves as Illyrians long before the Germans and Austrians started putting into the Albanians heads.
Vuk Karadzic noted in the 1800's how some Serbs were referring to that ancestry. The Albanians had the Germans decide to push their dubious Illyrian ancestry.
But Albanians don't seem to have the engineering/shipbuilding ingenuity and skills which were a hallmark of the real Illyrians.
Thanks for sharing that with us, very in-depth and compelling information there.
On a personal note, you appear to have the internet, why not research a little on human migrations and European history. That way, you might not look like a complete buffoon next time you engage in such topics.
However that may be, it is generally recognized today that the Albanians are the most ancient race in southesatern Europe. All indications point to the fact that they are descendants of the earliest Aryan immigrants who were represented in historical times by the kindred Illyrians, Macedonians and Epirots. According to the opinion of most ethnologists and linguists, the Illyrians formed the core of pre-Hellenic, Tyrrhenopelasgian population, which inhabited the southern portion of the Peninsula and extended its limits to Thrace and Italy. The Illyrians were also Pelasgians, but in a wider sense. Moreover it is believed that of these cognate races, which are described by the ancient Greek writers as "barbarous" and "non-Hellenic," the Illyrians were the progenitors of the Ghegs, or Northern Albanians, and the Epirots the progenitors of the Tosks, or Southern Albanians. This general opinion is borne out the statement of Strabo that the Via Egnatia or ®gitana, which he describes as forming the boundary between the Illyrians and the Epirots, practically corresponds with the course of river Shkumbini, which now seperates the Ghegs from the Tosks. The same geographer states that Epirots were also called Pelasgians. The Pelasgian Zeus, whose memory survives even today in the appellation of God as "Zot" by the modern Albanians, was worshiped at Dodona, where the most famous oracle of ancient times was situated. According to Herodotus the neighborhood of the sanctuary was called Pelasgia.
These findings of the ethnologists are, moreover, strenghthened by the unbroken traditions of the natives, who regard themselves, and with pride as the descendants of the aboriginal settlers of the Balkan Peninsula. They, therefore, they think have the best claims on it. It is also on the strength of these traditions that the Albanian looks upon the other Balkan nationalities as mere intruders who have expropriated him of much that was properly his own. Hence the constsant border warfare which has gone on for centuries between the Albanian and his neighbors.
(Jarina, 30 June 2010 21:46)
albanians are not illyirian and first off tadic is a good president and speaks well and here is the proof of you all albanians have no illyrian blood just you talk about about with no facts and the world have stated this in all kinds of history books and all so enjoy
Peter Sodyka!
Find me a source that says that Albanians immigrated in the areas that they live today.Only ONE SOURCE please,and not Serbian one.
As for me having internet,ah...never mind!
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