Spanish FM: Logical for Serbia to join EU

Nothing in the world can change the WILL of Kosovo to be INDEPENDENT of Kosova from Serbia. The FACTS are stubbor. The overwhelming majority of EU countries have recognised Kosova. It is a PARADOX to read/hear/think that few countries are trying to undo the NEW reality in Kosova in the "name of internationa law" which IN FACT is their own interest. Romania about the large Hungarian minority, Spain about Basque, Cyprus about Norther Cyprus. But what they all are getting wrong is that in Kosova there has been a state terror/ethnic cleansing toward a part of a country/state. If these countries whom object the Kosova's independence think that "ethnic cleansing and terror towards your own people" it is justifyable...to protect the integrity of the state than they also risk losing their own territories. Kosova's history is very different to those "minorities" in the countries objecting Kosova's independence.

Kosovo can and will be represented by UNMIK. Fine! Happy Christmas everyone! Peace for all!

justifyable...to protect the integrity of the state than they also risk losing their own territories. Kosova's history is very different to those "minorities" in the countries objecting Kosova's independence.
(EA, 18 December 2009 20:22)

Sorry, wrong, you are not any superior than so many people in this world that have been suffering beyond imagination for too long!

People's will is unfortunately not always equal to political agenda, just put this in your head, whatever you can claim you remain carrying the number 1244 as long as the POLITICAL tells you to do so, as simple as that!

International laws DO exist and am glad that there are still some that do respect it, whether you like it or not it already doesn't matter!

"As you like to keep things simple, let me tell you that Serbia hasn't got power as a sovereign country over Kosova. Bear in mind you need to be cross checked if you enter Kosova. Let's not talk police, army and administration. I hope you get that in mind.
As to Resolution 1244, Yugoslvia doesn't exist anymore. And to keep it things more simple that Resolution doesn't ban/stop Kosova to proclaim independence from Serbia.
You are talking about "some" countries whom care about international law but let me say to you what Serbia and "some" countries care more is their own interests as I already explained here.
I hope one day you will these points.
(EA, 19 December 2009 09:58) "

Whoever is checking people entering Kosovo from the north, it sure won't be officials appointed by Pristina.

Also, how conveniently you forgot 2 things:

1. Serbia is the UN-recognized successor to Serbia-Montenegro which joined the UN under the name Yugoslavia.

2. 1244 recognized Belgrade's sovereignty over Kosovo.

These are clear and simple enough for me.

he's just bluffing. we all know how he will behave!

"The Swiss",

As you like to keep things simple, let me tell you that Serbia hasn't got power as a sovereign country over Kosova. Bear in mind you need to be cross checked if you enter Kosova. Let's not talk police, army and administration. I hope you get that in mind.
As to Resolution 1244, Yugoslvia doesn't exist anymore. And to keep it things more simple that Resolution doesn't ban/stop Kosova to proclaim independence from Serbia.
You are talking about "some" countries whom care about international law but let me say to you what Serbia and "some" countries care more is their own interests as I already explained here.
I hope one day you will these points.

Hear this:how about if Kosovo wont accept to come there at all,do you think UNMIK dare to go there and represent Kosovo! Well think twice,this will never happen.
What we will do in that case if Spain does not change her heart all we do is wait another six months.

@Ron.Ron can you explain us ''why''two delegates from the same country at Zagreb Sumit.looks like you know everything,why not two delegates from the other countries .'why'?Maybe you know something that I dont!

Dear EA ("ethnic cleansing and terror towards your own people" it is justifyable...")

BY the above statement, are you refering to what the Albanian population in Kosovo was doing since the end of the 2nd World War, and the world turned a blind eye until the Serbs who suffered for so long (and forced to leave in masses)
said enough is enough?
Only then (40 years later) did Kosovo become a concern to the rest of the world.

the more spain insists on not recognizing kosovo,the more it will help catalogna

The Spanish stance is undemocratic and unacceptable.
The fact that 22 member states have recognised Kosovo against 5 who have not yet, surely mathematically in democracy legalises the recognition of Kosovo by the EU.
The will of 5 cannot alter the majority will of 22, the opinion and stance of which overwhelms and becomes the law.
Spain cannot invite Serbia to join the EU and pretend the blind eye, to the real problem Serbia faces which is Kosovo. How can serbia join the EU with ought recognising Kosovo? When Spain invites Serbia, does it mean with ought Kosovo, because this sentence alone would approve the fact that Spain itself recognises that Kosovo is independent. Secondly even if that’s the case, and even if Serbia fulfils all the requirements, which currently falls far short of, still nobody will dare accept Serbia, because of the Kosovo problem. We cannot have Serbia in EU which then will remain a stumble block on Kosovo’s integration and Kosovo-EU’s relationship.
And last, but most important is, how an unchanged Serbia with milosevician butchering mentality can be allowed to join in...
This is madness

How can serbia join the EU with ought recognising Kosovo?
(KLAJDI, 21 December 2009 14:27)
KLADJI - how can Cyprus join the EU without recognizing illegal state of Northern Cyprus??
Open Your eyes KLADJI - Serbia is much more important for Europe than "black hole" pseudoindependent Kosovo. Kosovo will never member of UN and EU. Stop Your dreams.

Milan
=====

Serbia important to the EU?

Not really. Like most W. Balkans countries it's considered a poor one, likely to be a further drain in the EU budget.

As far as Cyprus goes...

According to the Economist at least, most Western diplomats consider it a mistake that Cyprus was offered membership to the EU without the re-unification being complete.

To put it differently, the Western diplomats realized that Cyprus stabbed them in the back. I doubt they're about to repeat the same mistake again with Serbia, unless of course, they genuinely do not want Kosovo to join the EU.

Serbia important to the EU?

Not really. Like most W. Balkans countries it's considered a poor one, likely to be a further drain in the EU budget.

As far as Cyprus goes...

According to the Economist at least, most Western diplomats consider it a mistake that Cyprus was offered membership to the EU without the re-unification being complete.

To put it differently, the Western diplomats realized that Cyprus stabbed them in the back. I doubt they're about to repeat the same mistake again with Serbia, unless of course, they genuinely do not want Kosovo to join the EU.
(Ment, 23 December 2009 22:59)

Ment - I said that Serbia is "much more important than pseudoindependent Kosovo". Nothing more. What do You think - who is more important to EU - small pseudoindependent "country" with no chance to join EU/UN or the biggest ex-Yugoslavian state, recognized by all world and with GDP 16 time bigger (GDP per capita 3 time bigger) than Kosovo and located on the best way between Scandinavia and Greece??

Nothing in the world can change the WILL of Kosovo to be INDEPENDENT of Kosova from Serbia. The FACTS are stubbor. The overwhelming majority of EU countries have recognised Kosova. It is a PARADOX to read/hear/think that few countries are trying to undo the NEW reality in Kosova in the "name of internationa law" which IN FACT is their own interest. Romania about the large Hungarian minority, Spain about Basque, Cyprus about Norther Cyprus. But what they all are getting wrong is that in Kosova there has been a state terror/ethnic cleansing toward a part of a country/state. If these countries whom object the Kosova's independence think that "ethnic cleansing and terror towards your own people" it is justifyable...to protect the integrity of the state than they also risk losing their own territories. Kosova's history is very different to those "minorities" in the countries objecting Kosova's independence.

Kosovo can and will be represented by UNMIK. Fine! Happy Christmas everyone! Peace for all!

justifyable...to protect the integrity of the state than they also risk losing their own territories. Kosova's history is very different to those "minorities" in the countries objecting Kosova's independence.
(EA, 18 December 2009 20:22)

Sorry, wrong, you are not any superior than so many people in this world that have been suffering beyond imagination for too long!

People's will is unfortunately not always equal to political agenda, just put this in your head, whatever you can claim you remain carrying the number 1244 as long as the POLITICAL tells you to do so, as simple as that!

International laws DO exist and am glad that there are still some that do respect it, whether you like it or not it already doesn't matter!

"As you like to keep things simple, let me tell you that Serbia hasn't got power as a sovereign country over Kosova. Bear in mind you need to be cross checked if you enter Kosova. Let's not talk police, army and administration. I hope you get that in mind.
As to Resolution 1244, Yugoslvia doesn't exist anymore. And to keep it things more simple that Resolution doesn't ban/stop Kosova to proclaim independence from Serbia.
You are talking about "some" countries whom care about international law but let me say to you what Serbia and "some" countries care more is their own interests as I already explained here.
I hope one day you will these points.
(EA, 19 December 2009 09:58) "

Whoever is checking people entering Kosovo from the north, it sure won't be officials appointed by Pristina.

Also, how conveniently you forgot 2 things:

1. Serbia is the UN-recognized successor to Serbia-Montenegro which joined the UN under the name Yugoslavia.

2. 1244 recognized Belgrade's sovereignty over Kosovo.

These are clear and simple enough for me.

"The Swiss",

As you like to keep things simple, let me tell you that Serbia hasn't got power as a sovereign country over Kosova. Bear in mind you need to be cross checked if you enter Kosova. Let's not talk police, army and administration. I hope you get that in mind.
As to Resolution 1244, Yugoslvia doesn't exist anymore. And to keep it things more simple that Resolution doesn't ban/stop Kosova to proclaim independence from Serbia.
You are talking about "some" countries whom care about international law but let me say to you what Serbia and "some" countries care more is their own interests as I already explained here.
I hope one day you will these points.

he's just bluffing. we all know how he will behave!

Hear this:how about if Kosovo wont accept to come there at all,do you think UNMIK dare to go there and represent Kosovo! Well think twice,this will never happen.
What we will do in that case if Spain does not change her heart all we do is wait another six months.

@Ron.Ron can you explain us ''why''two delegates from the same country at Zagreb Sumit.looks like you know everything,why not two delegates from the other countries .'why'?Maybe you know something that I dont!

Dear EA ("ethnic cleansing and terror towards your own people" it is justifyable...")

BY the above statement, are you refering to what the Albanian population in Kosovo was doing since the end of the 2nd World War, and the world turned a blind eye until the Serbs who suffered for so long (and forced to leave in masses)
said enough is enough?
Only then (40 years later) did Kosovo become a concern to the rest of the world.

the more spain insists on not recognizing kosovo,the more it will help catalogna

Milan
=====

Serbia important to the EU?

Not really. Like most W. Balkans countries it's considered a poor one, likely to be a further drain in the EU budget.

As far as Cyprus goes...

According to the Economist at least, most Western diplomats consider it a mistake that Cyprus was offered membership to the EU without the re-unification being complete.

To put it differently, the Western diplomats realized that Cyprus stabbed them in the back. I doubt they're about to repeat the same mistake again with Serbia, unless of course, they genuinely do not want Kosovo to join the EU.

The Spanish stance is undemocratic and unacceptable.
The fact that 22 member states have recognised Kosovo against 5 who have not yet, surely mathematically in democracy legalises the recognition of Kosovo by the EU.
The will of 5 cannot alter the majority will of 22, the opinion and stance of which overwhelms and becomes the law.
Spain cannot invite Serbia to join the EU and pretend the blind eye, to the real problem Serbia faces which is Kosovo. How can serbia join the EU with ought recognising Kosovo? When Spain invites Serbia, does it mean with ought Kosovo, because this sentence alone would approve the fact that Spain itself recognises that Kosovo is independent. Secondly even if that’s the case, and even if Serbia fulfils all the requirements, which currently falls far short of, still nobody will dare accept Serbia, because of the Kosovo problem. We cannot have Serbia in EU which then will remain a stumble block on Kosovo’s integration and Kosovo-EU’s relationship.
And last, but most important is, how an unchanged Serbia with milosevician butchering mentality can be allowed to join in...
This is madness

How can serbia join the EU with ought recognising Kosovo?
(KLAJDI, 21 December 2009 14:27)
KLADJI - how can Cyprus join the EU without recognizing illegal state of Northern Cyprus??
Open Your eyes KLADJI - Serbia is much more important for Europe than "black hole" pseudoindependent Kosovo. Kosovo will never member of UN and EU. Stop Your dreams.

Serbia important to the EU?

Not really. Like most W. Balkans countries it's considered a poor one, likely to be a further drain in the EU budget.

As far as Cyprus goes...

According to the Economist at least, most Western diplomats consider it a mistake that Cyprus was offered membership to the EU without the re-unification being complete.

To put it differently, the Western diplomats realized that Cyprus stabbed them in the back. I doubt they're about to repeat the same mistake again with Serbia, unless of course, they genuinely do not want Kosovo to join the EU.
(Ment, 23 December 2009 22:59)

Ment - I said that Serbia is "much more important than pseudoindependent Kosovo". Nothing more. What do You think - who is more important to EU - small pseudoindependent "country" with no chance to join EU/UN or the biggest ex-Yugoslavian state, recognized by all world and with GDP 16 time bigger (GDP per capita 3 time bigger) than Kosovo and located on the best way between Scandinavia and Greece??