FM condemns Priština efforts to scupper UN agreement

Prishtina cannot and will not accept the partition of Kosovo.

Prishtina doesn't even need the EULEX now, nor the Ahtisari plan. Independence is declared, and accepted by the majority of the EU, the USA and most of democratic world.

Ahtisari plan does suit Serbs mostly, very little Albanians. Therefore IF Serbs want Ahtisari plan put on rubish, LET IT BE. Albanians would NOW, FULLY agree with Serbs on this, at least.

All in all, we can, however, tolerate criminal activities in the north, for another year, until we strengthen independence further by 100+ countries by March next year, and with it the Kosovo army. The sooner K-Serbs see no other option but to stay within the Republic of Kosovo borders then they put their ears down.

Status quo, is the most likely option, and EULEX delays will be on routine basis...unless soverignty and territoroal integrity as well as the constitution of Kosovo is fully respected. NO one can enforce anything on Kosovars.

It appear that Kosovars will some work to do (close-door conversation type) with our USA friends, and clear this mess EU created.

Accept the six points condition Thaci / Sejdiu. you have NO legal basis what so ever about your so called independence. RESOLUTION 1244 IS VERY MUCH ALIVE IN THE UN.

Well, the Cosa Nostra Banana Republic of Kosovo officials will have to agree to anything put forward by the SC, EU, etc.

Cut the financial flow to Kosovo and they will sign inmediately. They are only in power, for the money....

Why should 15% of Serbia's population have a say over 85% of the population? The "more than autonomy but less than independence" offer is extremely generous to the Albanians considering their previous terrorist activities.

But who would have thought only a month ago that so many Serbians would welcome the deployment of the EU mission? I have to give it to the occupiers, they really managed to spin this one very well.

Though I can see the compromise I am still opposed to the deployment as it solidifies the occupation and increases the risk of selling out Kosovo.

I do hope the Albanians reject this mission although whatever happens, I hope they don't return to violence and destruction. Based on some of the comments from team Albania here, this seems a real possibility.

However, I do hope an acceptable compromise is negotiated. Peace to all.

EULEX cannot deploy unless it's under the UN umbrella, otherwise it has no right to be there (unless invited by Serbia).

Hard facts are hitting home. The only legal mandate in place regarding Kosovo is Resolution 1244. The A plan was rejected, and now finally the 'international community' recognises that the only way forward is for both sides to compromise.

After all, legally this is still a province of Serbia, therefore Serbia has to be in agreement with, and part of, the solution.

The adamant position that Kosovo is a sovereign state with its own constitution does not hold any legal weight. Kosovo is still a province and likely, at least in part, to remain a protectorate of some sort.

Ok, folks let's put a spin on Pristina wilting under pressure from the EU and the UN. If they don't agree then it is a stalemate forget about support and Mr Thaci and Sejdiu is watching that billion euros go out the window. I said Serbia has figured out how to play the game. No i am not a Serb nor am i pro serb i am just looking at reality.

To all current Albanian posters. I just want to remind you that SERBIA owns the land of Kosovo

And who said negotiations let alone independence had been finalised ?

Oh dear it would seem that reality has hit home to Sediju and Thaci and only now they start to comprehend the position that their US "friend" has landed them in! Accept what we tell you you have no position and will wilt to US demands!

Cant wait for the ethnic Albanians in Serbia's soverign and UN recognised province to comprehend the reality of their misguided view "no change in US foreign policy" that Obama and "Change we must" really means to their predicament.

In the meantime the Serbian institutions have deepened and spread further throughout its UN recognised province all the while Sediju and Thaci are being spun like cracked records. Of course come the time of the ICJ verdict Serbian institutions will have full legitamacy and only then will Sediju and Thaci fully realise the spin from their "US friends"!

Certainly the UK Govt. comprehend only too fully that ICJ will be favourable to Serbia's position;

"On the fifth resolution, in relation to seeking an Advisory Opinion from the International Court of Justice on the legality of Kosovo's declaration of independence, the United Kingdom abstained from the vote, along with 73 other member states. The UK strongly supports the International Court of Justice, but questioned the utility of this request, believing it to be potentially destabilising for Kosovo, Serbia and the wider region." http://www.theyworkforyou.com/wrans/?id=2008-11-10a.230242.h&s=kosovo#g230242.r0

Of course the likes of Sediju and Thaci either fail to comprehend the reality or look like troublemakers to their "US friends"!

Oh what a tangled web we weave...

To all current Albanian posters, I just want to remind you that SERBIA owns the land of Kosovo.
(Another Canadian Serb, 13 November 2008 14:18)

To all current Serbs posters, I just want to remind you that Albanians own the land of Serbia… but nothing they can do about it, that’s is true about Serbia for Kosovo, nothing Serbia can do about Kosovo. So, live the life and move on.

We as a people of Republic of Kosovo strongly support the attitude of Kosovo’s leaders. Ban must to understand than independence of Kosovo is proclaimed on 17 February 2008 and Serbia has lost Kosovo on year 1998.Also international community must to abandon this practice to achieve compromises with Serbia without Kosovo’s leaders also the address to solve problems of people of Kosovo is Prishtina not Belgrade because from Serbia Capital always has came only plans which mining process of solving problems of people of Kosovo including Serbs. We believe in you Mr. Prime Minister Thaçi go ahead you are the voice of people of Republic of Kosovo.

For the first time the KLA leadership really has to negotiate and, as expected, it is clear that they are not very good at it. The word compromise does not exist in the Albanian dictionary. The problem is that they are not dealing with US government officials that can easily be bribed by Albanians in the US (that was a smart move and for the time being worth the money, however in the long run the money will turn out to be waisted). The strong support for Thaci and his criminal gang by the Albanian postings here proves once again that it is nothing more than a terrorist maffia EU enclave/NATO state. You people finally start realizing that the EU does not care one bit about you. All Serbia has to do is be patient and wait until some extremist group will snap and restart terrorist activities but now aimed at UN and EU (and maybe even NATO) personal. Thing are going very well for the Albanians in Kosovo (NOT!!!).

In my opinion, Serbian and Kosovo Albanian politicians should sit down and negotiate a long-lasting deal. I think that this is very possible as Serbia do not intend to rule over Albanian population; the only ambition is to retain a symbolic presence of Kosovo within Serbia. Thus, just a little bit of flexibility on Albanian side would go a long way. If the long-lasting solution is not found (meaning if Belgrade is not in agreement with the imposed solution), the embryo of the future conflict will be seeded to be there forever. That would be unfortunate and should be avoided at (almost) any costs. Thus, it would be crucial to think and act responsible and bring change. And yes, I think, we can.

Best wishes to all posters.

As a citizen of the Republic of Kosova i fully support the Prime Minister’s and the President’s decision to say NO to this plan. We fully understand the possible consequences of this decision and are ready to face them.

Why is it that Serbia can reject any argument and blackmail the international community whenever it wants, with threats and decisions that go far beyond that of Prishtina. Not long ago the current Government of Serbia was threatening the international community with a radical government and what not else.

Why is it that Serbia never faces any consequences, even when it goes against the most basic values and principles of the EU? Why is that that Serbia faces no consequences when it allies itself with Russia against the EU and the US and the rest of the free world? Why is it that every time Serbia does this, the reaction from Brussels is always concessions, concessions, and concessions?

Why can Slovakia, Cyprus, Greece, Romania block our path towards full sovereignty and EU membership? These are some of the poorest and most corrupt states in the EU, and yet they have their say in the EU and use it to make our lives difficult.

For 9 years, the people of Kosova have suffered because of a two-level government system (UNMIK and the Government of Kosova) which applied separate legislation and created absolute chaos in all fields of daily life.

Our “NO” to this plan is not a “NO” to EU assistance, its a “NO” to a system where the only people that will gain anything is EULEX’s personnel which will earn millions and nothing, absolutely nothing will get done.

Having said that let me say that the EU is our “partner” and the US is our “friend” and we are very grateful for everything they have done for us. But politics is not about feelings or friends.

In 1999, we Kosovars rose up against one of the most brutal regimes in the world and fought back with whatever we could, against all the odds. Do you people seriously think we are intimidated of a bunch of EU bureaucrats?

The puppets are rebelling??? are they still puppets or not- Serbian camp????

The Kosova's constitution was literally written by the EU.

Now the same EU undermines it.

While for the bureaucrats that would not be a great deal for the people to whom it will apply (Kosovars) means life.

Now, I do understand that EU has to negotiate with Russia and this is part of that 'bigger' negotiation but or Russia will learn her limits and/or accept compromises or no deal.

Russia’s Limits: her influence ends with Belgrade- it will never reach Kosova and most importantly Montenegro- although they do all in their might to strengthen Serbia via which will control Montenegro and aim at Kosova. They aim to control Kosova because the access to Montenegro and Adriatic would be much more secure and routes reliable.

Now compromise: if take the north than you should give up the Preseva valley.

Again this is not OK with Russian interests since in that case the traditional Russian friendly north-south corridor will have to be pushed much more into east- Bulgaria. With Preseva valley they will loose the influence on the north-south Russian arteria (Serbia-Greece).

Now it looks that EU does not understand or doesn’t want to understand that by weakening Albanians they will strengthen the positions of Russia in Mediterranean.

Or perhaps someone in EU wants’ to converge a bit with the Russian interests by taking something back from Russia [we all know what]- think who recently visited Moscow more frequently in various levels.

While for EU, Russia, US this is geopolitical game for us is LIFE and FREEDOM.

We already did a lot of compromises #8 http://xs4.b92.net/eng/news/your_comment.php?nav_id=54947 and without any compromise form the other side (Russian- with respect to Serbia, but Serbia is just a proxy, historically they would not open a mouth without the blessing of Moscow) there will not be an agreement.

The puppets are rebelling??? are they still puppets or not- Serbian camp????
(ben, 13 November 2008 12:33)
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ben, when puppets cut their strings they are left with no support and end up as useless pieces of cloth lying on the stage, so we shall see what Pristina chooses.

Puppets receive instructions and do not negotiate.

B92 - Why do you allow "contributors" such as Edition Osmani onto this forum. His comment is practically indecipherable!!! It might as well be written in Chinese.

Nick KS - "Why is it that Serbia can reject any argument and blackmail the international community whenever it wants" This is Pristina's refusal to genuine negotiations over Kosovo's status.

"Why is that that Serbia faces no consequences when it allies itself with Russia against the EU and the US and the rest of the free world?" Free world. Whoare you kidding. If the US represents the "free" world, then why does it have the lowest positive image in the rest of the world at this moment in time, hint Iraq and Afghanistan - Actions of a free world? i don't think so.

"Why can Slovakia, Cyprus, Greece, Romania block our path towards full sovereignty and EU membership?" it's called democracy, something you Albo's don't seem to understand. you want everything your way with no compromise. this is the reason why the Serbs will break away in the north if Kosovo becomes independent.

Ben - The albo's in Kosovo have never compromised. they demand independence and to rule over serbs in kosovo. you just ain't gonna get what you want, and no, you won't be touching presevo, that isn't coming anywhere near the negotiating table.

"Well, the Cosa Nostra Banana Republic of Kosovo officials will have to agree to anything put forward by the SC, EU, etc.

Cut the financial flow to Kosovo and they will sign inmediately. They are only in power, for the money....
(Edmund Dantes, 13 November 2008 12:26) "

Ha, ha, such a poor comment is put from B92 , and my comments mostly are censured ( so far for freedom of speach ), anyway , do you really think "Edmund Dantes" that money for albanians can be over their wish from freedom,you can cut whatever you want , serbs have tried that for decades, but they did not succede, to bring us on our knees. We were living without EU, and we will further survive without it, however it will never be a compromis for the compromise, we did enough from our part , and this NO stays, the dream of Serbia is dead and laid to rest sais our PM, and the entire albanian population anywhere in the world supports him.
One thing is left to be done for our PM Thaçi, according to the constitution of Kosova ( some say the 1244 is alive , in their dreams which are dead too ), he has to deploy the keepers of law, to the whole territory of Kosova, close until further notice the border with Serbia, if someone will like to make some unrest in Kosovas territory will be held accountable according to the law of Kosova.
One thing you are not getting it, the goverment of Kosova invited EULEX, and the same goverment can tell to leave, so you can cut whatever you want, and good luck with it.

O man... when is this uck government going to stop repeating this ahtisari plan? That thing was trashed a long time ago.

Mr. Thaci, all people of Kosovo are with you on this. We won't accept anything that is against our constitution. UN and EU better be careful of what Kosovo's people wants.
You can not make decitions with Belgrade about Kosovo. Kosovo has its own leadership and next time before you come up with a plan like this you better ask Kosovo's domacin/govenment and not Beograd.

For a long time, Albanias have been used to be given everything they wanted from America and Europe, now is a different moment.

"The albo's in Kosovo have never compromised. they demand independence and to rule over serbs in kosovo. you just ain't gonna get what you want, and no, you won't be touching presevo, that isn't coming anywhere near the negotiating table."

This does not divide anything. Any division would be done in 5-10-20 years, and then Presheva comes into play. EU will press for integration and will do it, so ignore all what you see on paper. Just look what happened with 1244 since 1999. As soon as EULEX gets this piece of paper, they will get in and implement Ahtisaari plan. If Serbia has a any problems with that, they can convince all 5 UN SC members.

BTW: On Albanian press, Thaci said that he will resign rather than sign this and modifications are being presented.

To all current Albanian posters. I just want to remind you that SERBIA owns the land of Kosovo
(Another Canadian Serb, 13 November 2008 14:18)

Amen. More precisely: while Albanians (or even me) can buy a house there, the unsold public property does belong to Serbia.

This does apply to railroads, public roads, etc.

There is of course a very interesting question: what happens with the public roads which were repaired since 1999?

The answer: unauthorized repair does not change property conditions, sorry.

The "Kosovo Republic" is indeed a unique case worldwide: it's a "Republic(?)" legally without any public property.

Nick
"Why can Slovakia, Cyprus, Greece, Romania block our path towards full sovereignty and EU membership? These are some of the poorest and most corrupt states in the EU, and yet they have their say in the EU and use it to make our lives difficult. "

I'd say that the stance of the countries you have mentioned is rather neutral towards Kosovo. You cannot call inaction towards something to be offensive (and there are plenty of ways at hand, at least for my country, to be offensive, but they were never used)
Wasn't everybody around here saying that K-Albanians don't need the same poor, corrupt, deserted etc countries you have mentioned?!
You are entirely the masters of your own lives now, that's why NATO bombed Serbia as NATO says.

If EULEX doesn't come to Kosovo, it won't be the albanians running Kosovo, it'll be UNMIK. And if it's not UNMIK, then Serbia will role into Kosovo and take charge again as per it's legal right.

llir - unfortunately for you you can claim serbia as albanian land as well, butat the UN, Serbia including Kosovo is Serbian land, not albanian , kosovo albanian or any other albanian land. the law is the law and you don't have a leg to stand on.

PRN - most of the democratic world?? come back to planet earth if you think you can take the north by force. the US with a new president will want to change it's global image. the last thing it wants is for it's protectorate to attack a minority, but even if you did, you'd be crushed again comprehensively. The kosovo army is a mickeymouse army.you can't enforce anything in the north, that's a reality.

as for 100+ countries, dream on. recognition has practically come to a halt. everyone wants to wait for an ICJ ruling. even if ANOTHER 100 countries recognise you (butthey won't), what good will that be. you can't get a seat at the UN with Russia and China at the SC!!

Albano - Thaci said many things, like Kosovo is independent. unfortunately imagination and reality are two different things. Kosovo is not independent and is a UN protectorate. Ask yourself this. If it wasn't a protectorate, you'd be able to partake in all international organisations like any other country. unfortunately you can't. your representative is UNMIK, hence you are a UN protectorate.

EULEX CANNOT implement the Ahtisarri plan, even if it wants to. When that paper is signed, it'll have to follow the rules.

don't believe me? well you thought you could bring EULEX into Kosovo without permission, it's now obvious that can't happen, even with Ban Ki Moon's authority.

Even if EULEX implements ahtisarri plan, so what? it has no legal standing, and Serbia can say EULEX broke international law. Who do you think will win that argument in a court at the ICJ?

as for thaci, put him on the first plane to belgrade when he loses his job. he doesn't have the guts to quit when he has to sign upto the 6 point plan. how embarrassing.

I can understand Albanian posters anger and frustration. They were riding wave of unrealistic euforia - nationalism(some of them still-e.x. albano)but lately they realized the reality coming from US-EU-UN-You are not independent in any way.

Partly it's not all your fault - US-EU tried to give you something (land) that is not theirs - but when you scratch a bit - NO WIN - when try to put things to legal paths-UN - it's hit the wall - message again read - TRY AGAIN.
Again my point is, Serbia haven't had management skills to manage south of the province - Albanians don't deserve it either - probably diplomacy will work it out - Partition with South under UN-NATO protectorate with sign - UNDER NEW MANAGEMENT - (albanians no decision makers - but will get big boost with titles and pins - senior store managers - etc).

But they need to pay the rent, lease or buy it out and negotiate the price with legal owners of the land. (ICJ court decision is pending - it will help the process and pricing settlement).

Or why should the 7.5 million Serbs have a say over the 450 million in the EU that thinks Kosovo independence is a good idea? They are only 1,6% of the population.
(Jan Andersen, DK, 13 November 2008 22:20)
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Quite simply because there are 5.3 billion people living in countries that have not recognised Kosovo compared to 700 million that have. Also, we know that the majority of citizens are against recognition in most countries that have recognised so the world is overwhelmingly for international law and against rewarding terrorists.

I rest my case.

I read B92 a lot and usually don't answer, but Nick KS, who wrote "For 9 years, the people of Kosova have suffered because of a two-level government system (UNMIK and the Government of Kosova)" really made me mad I felt it needed a answer, Kosovo has progressed due to UNMIK and their Gov, where do you think your fancy streets have come from, your improvements in the police force and judical system and the help to reduce corrpution, you seem to forget that in 1999 when the UN were asked to come in and help (a country must invite the UN in before they go into a country) that Kosovo was the first armed police mission to be ever had by the UN, so it was all new to them too, things in Kosovo were a mess there was no law structure, no rules or regulations, it was as hard for the International Police as it was for the Kosovars, but they certinaly have not suffered in any way, in fact they have profited by the International Community being there, The UN pay the international community, nothing comes from the Kosovo Gov, in turn the international community pay rent to local Kosavars at top price, shop in their markets, drink in their coffee bars and over all put money into the community, the UN have created jobs, all language assistants are paid by the UN not the Kosovo gov and again the money is put back into the community, if your international you can count on things costing twice as much as a local will pay, and they are always being ripped off with high rents, to be a international in Kosovo is to be treated with total disrespect so how can you say you have been treated badly by the UN for the last 9 years, you in Kosovo have never had it so good, money is pouring in and all you want to do is sit in a coffee bar and complain, yes the UN made mistakes and quite a few of them but without them here you would not be as better of as you are right now, wake up and smell the coffee you are always drinking, and from what I gather it was not Ksosvars who rose up in 1999 but NATO who stepped in. EULEX will do "anything" to get into Kosovo and push the UN out and do you think things will be any better, look at Bosina it is a mess, EULEX has had people on the ground for the last 6 months or more doing "nothing" and they pay them 100 euros a day to do that, EULEX have no offices, no desks, no computers, nothing but they are still pushing both sides to let them in, sometimes Nick it is "better the devil you know that the one you don't know" one more thing in case you don't know this UN Police work a 7 day week, most are very far away from their familys on birthdays and holidays, all still have to pay their debits back home including mortages, elec, etc as well as living expensives in Kosovo, and no one has ever just once walked up to one of them and said Thank you for what you do, all you do in Kosovo is complain, what would you do if EULEX doesn't come in and the UN pull out takling their money with them?? you would get such a reality shock, so stop complaining and be just a little grateful for a change, and I am not pro Serb or pro Kosovo, I am just someone who has been here 6 years and see's how things really are, there is good and bad in all things.

Begin of quetzal's end, I guess, isn't it?

Three things I can discern from Albanian recalcitrance:

Either Thaci and Sejdiu know they're getting continued support from Washington, so they can say what they want.

Or Thaci and Co. already know the jig is up, know they're going to be pressured into making a deal, and are shouting at the cameras in order to make them look strong for their own constituents

Or that Thaci and Co. have finally lost their mind, actually think they can handle governing Kosovo without the massive international backing and financial support, and are no less territorially aggressive than Milosevic and Kostunica.

Whatever the scenario, I say the West ought to threaten to withold their financial support to Pristina. Let's see how fast these guys rush to the bargaining table then.

Kind of funny how Pristina's acting a lot like Belgrade prior to February 2008 :)

Even if he accepts 100% of the points, it means nothing, EULEX will do what they want, and Serbs will start to complains about EU 'breaking' the resoltuion

albanians should accept because the UN and Europe and America are telling you to accept it, so do it are your in big trouble and things will get even worse for you and your money and people will go out the door.

PRN,

Stop recommending your own posting. There is no way in the world that your posting deserves so many recommendations while many pro-Albanian ones get a fraction (of course given by Albanians, but that is OK). I would like to ask B92 to block recommendations from the same IP address and limit it to one for each individual posting. I am sure that the statistics will change dramatically and that it can be done technologically.

the K-albanians are threatening with violence again?

how stupid.

that´s just as if a five-year-old threatenend Mike Tyson with a Yo-Yo...

but as far as I am concerned, very good, as it shows the political maturity of the criminals who are "ruling" in Priština...

Six pint plan will be modified to suit both parts, but it will still remain six points plan.
Deployment of EULEX in North of Kosova is a must, in order to start stabilize Serbia and Kosova and get rid of Serbian mafia, the same mafia that rules other parts of Kosova inhabited by Serbs, i.e Gracanica where Princip enjoys its stay in Serbia or not. If you got to Gracanica you will find Arsenal flag, Man U flag, Swedish flag, of course Serbia flag and scared people form Serbian mafia. Same thing goes for north of Kosova just that it is worst.
Deploy EULEX, bring in rule of law, remove thugs to Serbia and that live.

"barbarian threats?" What is he smoking?

Ok PM thaci go ahead and resign and Ramush of the AAK will become PM sign the 6 points and move on with life.

The "so called" leaders in Pristina are finally getting a dose of reality. They should soon start to realize what it means to be a "Puppet" government. There are quite literaly "Strings" attached and they will soon find out that NOTHING is for free, not event their psuedo independance.

Dear Jayne

I wish to thank you for your comments.

Your prospective is invaluable for understanding what is going on in Kosovo/a. I, and I am sure other members of the public, would greatly appreciate if you write up a more detailed account of your experience in Kosovo/a.

We all look forward to your more detailed comments.

Kind regards

Bystander

1. Team Jeremic has done an outstanding job on this issue, and managed to get far more than I expected. Generally, this should have been "case closed" by June. It isn't.

2. Higher powers helps the ones who help themselves. That is what the Serbian authorities has done, and - tataa! - a financial crisis bankrupts the US, and Camp Bondsteel will be removed during the next Presidential term. The US can not afford the economic cost of serving it, no more than they can afford the political cost of maintaining this whole mess.

So, with the Americans out, the Russians bankrupt (believe me, this is 1998 all over again for them) it is the EU who will be calling the shots (and don't count on Britain, their as bankrupt as the Russians). After all, with Serbia as a EU member and Kosovo as a EU protectorate, it is EU territory whichever way you look at it. And the EU have a relatively different stance on this than the US.

Not that I think Kosovo is ever going to be Serbia again. It won't. But it will not be the independent Kosovo that Thaci and co aimed for. The Serb minority will enjoy wide freedoms, Belgrade will keep its influence in the enclaves as well as in the North, and Serbs, and other minorities, will have certain political and judicial privileges.

These privileges will be a thorn in the eye of many Albanians, especially since the "country" will continue to be the poorest in Europe, and institutionally incapacitated for a long time to come.

Some people will start to experience the true meaning of "supervised" independence. And it is not nearly as cozy as the Tadic plan. Which the same people stupidly rejected.

well made thaci dont accept it that will mean the defacto partition of kosovo you dont need to accept it no one can force you to accept it

* A Message from Western Europe *

Dear friends, Serbian, Albanian

We, the West, really want you to join the EU. But please get over your nationalism.

If we allow Kosovo to split from Serbia where will it end? A Europe of 100 states? Come on!

Kosovo should stay in Europe and Serbia with this Kosovo should join EU!

There are more then enough borders and states! We don't need a new state Kosovo.

We need you to join the EU!

And stop using words like Albo and Serbo. Please!

Love and peace from Western Europe!

Does Jermic really thinks that he has any authority over Kosova. Wish ya good luck but as far as I know Kosova was separated in 1998 and technically Kosova was independent back then. One thing I know for sure that anything that comes from Belgrade will never be accepted from Prishtina. Already Kosova is recognized by 53 countries and they fully support the independence which means no more talk between Prishtina and Belgrade on this very behalf. Right now the world is concerned about global finacial crisis so do you really think that they would care if Prishtina accepts it or not?

Re: BH_NYC from Jayne Pristina

I hate to burst your bubble but I am not a UN worker, and even if I were I would still as a person be entitled to voice my opinion, I got mad at the remark made by Nick that since 1999 Kosovo has suffered at the hands of the UN, and I felt as a person who understands the in's and out's of how some things work over here to respond, that is my right as a human being, I also made a mistake in saying I was here for 6 years, I came here in 2000 to help out after the war, and yes it was for charity and still is! I like my job very much Thank you, Children are more caring and friendly than adults, I never meant that people should kiss my hand and feet and say Thank you, but you chose to read something bad into my statement, it would be nice to be treated with some sort of friendliness and respect, as I give to the people here, I never forget for one minute that I am a guest in Kosovo! as for a street named after Bill Clinton I could care less, alot of things have been done in Kosovo that should not of been done and money spent where it was not meant to go, that is nothing to do with me, I get fed up with the UN being balmed for all the wrong things and NO ONE ever thinks of the positive things they have done, alot of hard work by the UN and Kosovars has been achived in the last 9 years and it should be noted not constantly put down, EULEX wants to be seen as the savior of Kosovo and they don't care how they get in or what plans they put into place to do it, they have had their planing team here for 2 years and still cannot get it right, nothing is in place for any sort of deployment, the ones here at the moment just sit around doing nothing all day but are still earning 100 euro a day and things can only get worse just like Bosina. I do understand the frustraion of the people but if you look back in history alot of countrys have suffered in the right for Independance but it takes time for it all to fall into place, Ireland for example, formally got Independance just 3 years ago after waiting over a 100 years, but in Kosovo they want it yesterday, and expect hand outs and contibutions from the rest of the world, Independance is just was it says, going it alone. We all chose the jobs we do for what ever reasons and if your in a drab motel away from your child you should have some sort of feeling for internationals that are away from their homes too, you are there for a reason but still lonely as they are the same over here, I maybe very wrong but I think your in a so called drab motel in the US! and I bet you are not being treated with the same rudeness and disrespect that is shown here, and I bet your not being ripped off for every penny you earn just because your not a local? Don't get me wrong in my time here I have met some really good people on both sides of the fence and I count my blessings for having them come into my life, but I also have never been treated with such contempt in my life and still I will stay for as long as I can help out, you chose to read bad into my letter just because I didn't say the Kosovars were wonderful and because I answered a Kosovars statement, that is freedom of speech my friend, but I don't have your bad attitude and as long as that sort of attitude exist in your countrymen nothing will ever change.

Thank you to Bystander and Dave for your really nice comments, it made getting the courage to write worth it

@Albanez

I am not off at all. Firstly, as long as some EU member states do not recognize Kosovo, the EU can't reject Serbia for that reason. Secondly, where did I state that Serbia would not recognize Kosovo?

Truth is, it is in Serbia's interest to actually recognize kosovo as soon as certain fundamental problems are solved, and the solution to those problems are outlined in my post. And I am pretty sure the future Kosov will look a lot like what I wrote.

And, just in case you don't get it, with the US out of Kosovo, the K.A leaders HAVE TO accept a compromise. In an uncertain world, and believe me, the next 20 years are going to be just that, a Kosovo without the protection of foreign troops will be tempting for some populist-fascist-jackass politician that have always been in good supply in Serbia.

So you see, everybody has an interest in a deal. For the Serbs it means that they are a lot less likely to elect a new warmonger. For the US it means that they can pull out without loosing too much face and creating mayhem, for the EU it means stability, membership for Serbia, and colonization of Kosovo. For the Serbs in Kosovo it means an opportunity to start over, and for the Albanians it means stability and security.

The alternative may be some shooting in Prishtina - as an echo from 1914. Nobody wants that.

Jeremic was quoted: "After months of hard talks, the agreement between Serbia and the UN on a number of issues of crucial importance for the survival of the Serb people in Kosovo was reached"

Keywords here: "between Serbia and the UN"

Why should the Kosovar government accept something that has been prepared by Serbia and UN? Kosovar input has been ignored altogether.
Good job Hashim and Fatmir.

You were forced to concede on many issues during the drafting of the Ahtisaari plan. That was enough. The compromise ends here. You drew the line in the right place!

You have the support of all the people that want peace in Kosova.

On 13 November 2008 11:54, ZK asked:

"Why should 15% of Serbia's population have a say over 85% of the population?"

Let me ask a similar question:

Why should someone living in Novi Sad, Zrenjanin, or Valjevo have a say over the population in Prizren, Pec or Pristina?

Or why should the 7.5 million Serbs have a say over the 450 million in the EU that thinks Kosovo independence is a good idea? They are only 1,6% of the population.
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Dear Xhevdet,

Thank you for your comments.

I hope that you will not be forced to die. More importantly, I hope that your children and grandchildren can also live in peace. Your leaders should take this opportunity to negotiate a viable and long-lasting solution with Serbia.

I wish you all the best.

>>> "Ok PM thaci go ahead and resign and Ramush of the AAK will become PM sign the 6 points and move on with life."

I dont't think you understand, do you? They have to have elections, a threat of resigning a major and Ramush would never ever do that anyway. They would need a Nedic and 95% of Albanians would still oppose it.

TS, your plans are a bit off. Serbia will never enter EU unless they recognize Kosova (ever wonder why Tadic keeps repeating "We will not..."...).

EULEX is the Trojan horse to integrate everyone in one system, regardless of what a piece of paper says. Your goals to screw the Albanians while you enjoy prosperity will not realize either: Both in EU or neither. Serbia might be a bit richer, but then Slovenia and Croatia was twice richer than Serbia, and US is probably 4-5 times. Once need not have 50,000 a year to live nicely. As for being a thorn, don't forget that Serbs live in majority Albanian areas, not the other way around so be careful of starting to play games. Once EU gets a letter from UN, no one will ask Serbia anymore.

To all albanians:

Just because you are 95% of the population doesn't mean the land you live on belongs to you. Albanians have 6-8 children per family. No wonder there are so many albanians. In that case half of Europe could soon secceed and become an independent islamic republic due to a large muslim population. Does this mean that the muslims in Europe own the soil they now live on? You are guests in Kosovo and should be thankfull to your host Serbia for letting you escape Enver Hoxha and settle in Kosovo.

Why UN has to discuss EULEX deplyment with Serbia?
EULEX is not going to Serbia. If there are any conitions, should be discussed between EU, UN and Kosova democratically elected officials.
Back off Jeremic. This is not Beograde

It's a trap to undo Feb 17th, legalize partition AND 'back away from the Ahtisaari Plan" without Kosova gaining anything in return. Serbia wanted it all and will get none, maybe you could have slipped a provision here and there, but Jeremic wanted it all and wanted to brag too. Ooopps! EU can't really leave so they will find a middle ground.

On Alb media: Kosova leaders have said no, unless police, customs and justice are controlled. The rest is negotiable. All will be supervised by EU anyway so Serbs should have no problem, you are applying for EU right? Trust them then!

All I have to say is, if Serbia insists on partition of Mitrovoca, not a single Serb has a place in the rest of Kosovo, nor Presevo valley.
Btw, we no longer need Ahtisari plan, Serbia doesn't want it, and we don't either...
Enjoy...

Can someone please help me. I've been absent of late. Missed a bit. But, what in the heck has happened? is it not true that only a few months ago the albanians were head over heals with the idea of eulex.... something smells worse than fish here.

Well, the Albanians really need to understand that 'independence of Kosovo' is illegal!

Start negotiating now!

We don't need more problems in the EU! We need cooperative parties in de EU!

You wanna join Europe? Stop making problems and face reality: there is an Albanian state, called Albania. There is a minority of Albanians in Serbia. Like there are Germans in Belgium. Austrians in Italy....

Learn to live with it! Welcome in Europe!

Jayne: 6 years? Good God, I feel your pain. The K/Albs were calling us "okupatori" back in August 1999 before the UNMIK police had even been deployed. I can honestly say I've never encountered another society as collectively arrogant and deluded as that of Kosovo. It's a shame.

We'd rather die than let others do whatever they want and take decisions for us. This is over forever.if EULEX wants to have a place here it should ask us the people who lives here, otherwise they wont be able to operate in The Republic of KOSOVA. We are ready for everything remember this.

“Kosovo works closely with the relevant international officials with a view to finding a solution that respects Kosovo’s independence, her sovereignty, the constitution of our republic, the document of President Ahtisaari and Kosovo’s territorial integrity. Priština will not be pressured. This process is still open. Belgrade can propose what it wants, but Belgrade’s dream of undermining Kosovo’s sovereignty died and was laid to rest on February 17 this year,“ he underlined.

It can't be clearer than that unless someone doesn't want to listen or see. One more thing. Same rights for Serbs living in Kosovo as to those rights enjoyed by Albanians in Presevo Bujanovac and Medvegja.
Kosova has nothing to lose by sticking strictly to its Constitutions which has been endorsed by the EU. The EU can enforce its will again Kosovars wishes if it wishes to do so but has to rule Kosova for very very long time indeed!

"I can understand Albanian posters anger and frustration. They were riding wave of unrealistic euforia - nationalism(some of them still-e.x. albano)but lately they realized the reality coming from US-EU-UN-You are not independent in any way. "

Nicely said, "dd", I am a nationalist, while I can't love you before I love myself, I can't love your nation, before I love mine, and I am proud of that.
Anyway lets get to the point , and I like your saying that we are still not independent , so the time has come, we will soon ( couple days maybe ) be very independent, because ( I give you a fact ), the people of Kosova is to decide, noone else, neither Tadic,Ban Ki Moon or Sejdiu, and what ever it was, what ever you like to say , if you owned the Kosova once, today is a different reality, 95% are albanians who owns Kosova, and their wish is to have nothing tied with Serbia, ( so they must all be nationalists).

Jayne Pristina

Well written and who can argue with that? Most comments on this site are pro serb or pro albanian so it's nice to hear someone elses side of the story.
I'm just wondering if there are similar situations in other countries where the locas are that ungreatfull from being rescued from terminatiotion?
There is no doubt in my mind that there are good and bad people everywhere but I have also heard some wired stories about working in Kosovo. A friends friend worked as a UN soilder and said that they were stopped by local alabnians who demanded money from the soilders for using local roads. In other words they had to pay albanians to protect them. I serverd in Lebanon and twice in Bosnia. After some of the stories I heard I declined to go to Kosovo. I wonder if the people there sometimes really know what they are doing?

Accept the six points condition Thaci / Sejdiu. you have NO legal basis what so ever about your so called independence. RESOLUTION 1244 IS VERY MUCH ALIVE IN THE UN.
(Serb Allay, 13 November 2008 11:39
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1244 for K.Albanians is History and nothing else.
We are going forward.

>>> "Ok PM thaci go ahead and resign and Ramush of the AAK will become PM sign the 6 points and move on with life."

I dont't think you understand, do you? They have to have elections, a threat of resigning a major and Ramush would never ever do that anyway. They would need a Nedic and 95% of Albanians would still oppose it.

TS, your plans are a bit off. Serbia will never enter EU unless they recognize Kosova (ever wonder why Tadic keeps repeating "We will not..."...).

EULEX is the Trojan horse to integrate everyone in one system, regardless of what a piece of paper says. Your goals to screw the Albanians while you enjoy prosperity will not realize either: Both in EU or neither. Serbia might be a bit richer, but then Slovenia and Croatia was twice richer than Serbia, and US is probably 4-5 times. Once need not have 50,000 a year to live nicely. As for being a thorn, don't forget that Serbs live in majority Albanian areas, not the other way around so be careful of starting to play games. Once EU gets a letter from UN, no one will ask Serbia anymore.
(Albanez, 13 November 2008 20:16) When they threw Ramush under the bus Gen Ceku was appoineted PM and there was no election. Same would happen again once PM Thaci steps down. However it will not be as peaceful as when Ramush step down he told the people not to result to violence because he was forced out or should i say thrown under the bus by the PDK. Albanez research before shooting off your mouth. I was there and i know for a fact it was a snow job they did.

On 14 November 2008 02:26, Ron wrote:

"There are more then enough borders and states! We don't need a new state Kosovo."

And exactly what is the problem with states and borders?

In all my life (which is close to 50), I have been able to travel freely across the borders of Denmark, Sweden and Norway. Never had the need for a passport to do it. I have watched Swedish TV since childhood without a language problem. Before all this Schengen thing, I could take a trip to Germany (with my passport) and buy cheap beer there. I have never had a problem with states or borders.

So I ask again: What is the problem?
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US-NATO,who put the ethnic Albanians in power in Kosovo, can take them out of power. Look what happened to Iraq's Saddam Hussein.

Re: (Jayne Pristina, 14 November 2008 22:00)

It shocked me to read that a UN worker can behave in such an unprofessional manner. And why? Because an Albanian reader (who only represents himself) is unhappy with UNMIK??!!!
Do you really expect Albanian citizens to thank you on the street and kiss your hand every time you pass by and treat you differently? Or was that just a metaphor for being thankful in other means? How about naming a street Bill Clinton Boulevard for a thank you? I hope you don’t expect them to name every street after every UN soldier who’s missing their children for Christmas. I’m sure Kosovan citizens are more than thankful for what the Western powers have done for them but this is beside the point. UN soldiers/police are not charity workers this is the path they’ve taken, their job, like mine currently in a remote motel away from my child. It’s something we have chosen to do so please don’t blame K-Albanians if you and your colleagues are fed up with your job. If you’ve spent 6 years in Kosovo and still can’t understand why these people are so frustrated then you definitely need a career change.

RE: (Jayne Pristina, 15 November 2008 23:18)

I truly feel sorry you are having such bad experience over there. All you are saying is that people are rude and unthankful. Generalising in that way isn’t why freedom of speech was ever meant to be abused. It is also unprofessional coming from a person like you, weather UNMIK or a charity organisation pays your wages, it doesn’t really matter that much. Yes, the UN did many great things no one is disputing that ( I don’t even think Nick is) but that’s nowhere near to what could/should have been done. You can’t blame Thaci and Sejdiu for this because we all know who is in charge there, and that’s not the Kosovan government. I’m not saying that Thaci would have improved things any better and thank god he’s not the one in charge anyway. Kosovan’s voted for ex KLA members because their campaigns were ‘helped’ by others (internationals) who need them to be there and do what they are told. So, if the system fails think twice about who is to blame. Everyone agrees that the question of Independence should have been dealt with in 1999, now my dear Jayne, that is not a minor mistake because it is that blunder (and many to follow) that makes people nine years later still struggle to make their ends meet (or as Nick puts it suffer). No one is comparing these nine years against the ones during Milosevic’s reign, but patronising people with comments like ‘be thankful with what you’ve got because without us you would have really suffered’ won’t gain you much respect anywhere. I did write last time some more about accommodation prices etc, but B92 decided not to publish it, I guess they saw it as advertising so fair enough and I won’t bother retyping it again.

Dear Jayne,

Thank you for your follow up and for sharing your experience. This is worth to me more than any official report.

I also wish to thank you for trying to help. I do hope that your efforts will be fruitful and that the day will come when you will feel deservedly appreciated.

I wish you all the best in your life and success in your future career, whatever it might be.

Best regards

Bystander

Ok guys, You should all know that if K-serbs get more rights then other minorities in the neighbouring countries then we will have a big problem in the Balkans. Just remeber that there are Albanian minorities in Greece, Macedonia, South Serbia, Montenegro,,,and they will ask for the same rights,,,what do you think it will happen???
Peace to all of you,,,

As a citizen of the Republic of Kosova i fully support the Prime Minister’s and the President’s decision to say NO to this plan. We fully understand the possible consequences of this decision and are ready to face them.

Why is it that Serbia can reject any argument and blackmail the international community whenever it wants, with threats and decisions that go far beyond that of Prishtina. Not long ago the current Government of Serbia was threatening the international community with a radical government and what not else.

Why is it that Serbia never faces any consequences, even when it goes against the most basic values and principles of the EU? Why is that that Serbia faces no consequences when it allies itself with Russia against the EU and the US and the rest of the free world? Why is it that every time Serbia does this, the reaction from Brussels is always concessions, concessions, and concessions?

Why can Slovakia, Cyprus, Greece, Romania block our path towards full sovereignty and EU membership? These are some of the poorest and most corrupt states in the EU, and yet they have their say in the EU and use it to make our lives difficult.

For 9 years, the people of Kosova have suffered because of a two-level government system (UNMIK and the Government of Kosova) which applied separate legislation and created absolute chaos in all fields of daily life.

Our “NO” to this plan is not a “NO” to EU assistance, its a “NO” to a system where the only people that will gain anything is EULEX’s personnel which will earn millions and nothing, absolutely nothing will get done.

Having said that let me say that the EU is our “partner” and the US is our “friend” and we are very grateful for everything they have done for us. But politics is not about feelings or friends.

In 1999, we Kosovars rose up against one of the most brutal regimes in the world and fought back with whatever we could, against all the odds. Do you people seriously think we are intimidated of a bunch of EU bureaucrats?

We as a people of Republic of Kosovo strongly support the attitude of Kosovo’s leaders. Ban must to understand than independence of Kosovo is proclaimed on 17 February 2008 and Serbia has lost Kosovo on year 1998.Also international community must to abandon this practice to achieve compromises with Serbia without Kosovo’s leaders also the address to solve problems of people of Kosovo is Prishtina not Belgrade because from Serbia Capital always has came only plans which mining process of solving problems of people of Kosovo including Serbs. We believe in you Mr. Prime Minister Thaçi go ahead you are the voice of people of Republic of Kosovo.

Mr. Thaci, all people of Kosovo are with you on this. We won't accept anything that is against our constitution. UN and EU better be careful of what Kosovo's people wants.
You can not make decitions with Belgrade about Kosovo. Kosovo has its own leadership and next time before you come up with a plan like this you better ask Kosovo's domacin/govenment and not Beograd.

well made thaci dont accept it that will mean the defacto partition of kosovo you dont need to accept it no one can force you to accept it

To all current Albanian posters, I just want to remind you that SERBIA owns the land of Kosovo.
(Another Canadian Serb, 13 November 2008 14:18)

To all current Serbs posters, I just want to remind you that Albanians own the land of Serbia… but nothing they can do about it, that’s is true about Serbia for Kosovo, nothing Serbia can do about Kosovo. So, live the life and move on.

To all current Albanian posters. I just want to remind you that SERBIA owns the land of Kosovo

Prishtina cannot and will not accept the partition of Kosovo.

Prishtina doesn't even need the EULEX now, nor the Ahtisari plan. Independence is declared, and accepted by the majority of the EU, the USA and most of democratic world.

Ahtisari plan does suit Serbs mostly, very little Albanians. Therefore IF Serbs want Ahtisari plan put on rubish, LET IT BE. Albanians would NOW, FULLY agree with Serbs on this, at least.

All in all, we can, however, tolerate criminal activities in the north, for another year, until we strengthen independence further by 100+ countries by March next year, and with it the Kosovo army. The sooner K-Serbs see no other option but to stay within the Republic of Kosovo borders then they put their ears down.

Status quo, is the most likely option, and EULEX delays will be on routine basis...unless soverignty and territoroal integrity as well as the constitution of Kosovo is fully respected. NO one can enforce anything on Kosovars.

It appear that Kosovars will some work to do (close-door conversation type) with our USA friends, and clear this mess EU created.

"Well, the Cosa Nostra Banana Republic of Kosovo officials will have to agree to anything put forward by the SC, EU, etc.

Cut the financial flow to Kosovo and they will sign inmediately. They are only in power, for the money....
(Edmund Dantes, 13 November 2008 12:26) "

Ha, ha, such a poor comment is put from B92 , and my comments mostly are censured ( so far for freedom of speach ), anyway , do you really think "Edmund Dantes" that money for albanians can be over their wish from freedom,you can cut whatever you want , serbs have tried that for decades, but they did not succede, to bring us on our knees. We were living without EU, and we will further survive without it, however it will never be a compromis for the compromise, we did enough from our part , and this NO stays, the dream of Serbia is dead and laid to rest sais our PM, and the entire albanian population anywhere in the world supports him.
One thing is left to be done for our PM Thaçi, according to the constitution of Kosova ( some say the 1244 is alive , in their dreams which are dead too ), he has to deploy the keepers of law, to the whole territory of Kosova, close until further notice the border with Serbia, if someone will like to make some unrest in Kosovas territory will be held accountable according to the law of Kosova.
One thing you are not getting it, the goverment of Kosova invited EULEX, and the same goverment can tell to leave, so you can cut whatever you want, and good luck with it.

B92 - Why do you allow "contributors" such as Edition Osmani onto this forum. His comment is practically indecipherable!!! It might as well be written in Chinese.

Nick KS - "Why is it that Serbia can reject any argument and blackmail the international community whenever it wants" This is Pristina's refusal to genuine negotiations over Kosovo's status.

"Why is that that Serbia faces no consequences when it allies itself with Russia against the EU and the US and the rest of the free world?" Free world. Whoare you kidding. If the US represents the "free" world, then why does it have the lowest positive image in the rest of the world at this moment in time, hint Iraq and Afghanistan - Actions of a free world? i don't think so.

"Why can Slovakia, Cyprus, Greece, Romania block our path towards full sovereignty and EU membership?" it's called democracy, something you Albo's don't seem to understand. you want everything your way with no compromise. this is the reason why the Serbs will break away in the north if Kosovo becomes independent.

Ben - The albo's in Kosovo have never compromised. they demand independence and to rule over serbs in kosovo. you just ain't gonna get what you want, and no, you won't be touching presevo, that isn't coming anywhere near the negotiating table.

Accept the six points condition Thaci / Sejdiu. you have NO legal basis what so ever about your so called independence. RESOLUTION 1244 IS VERY MUCH ALIVE IN THE UN.

EULEX cannot deploy unless it's under the UN umbrella, otherwise it has no right to be there (unless invited by Serbia).

Hard facts are hitting home. The only legal mandate in place regarding Kosovo is Resolution 1244. The A plan was rejected, and now finally the 'international community' recognises that the only way forward is for both sides to compromise.

After all, legally this is still a province of Serbia, therefore Serbia has to be in agreement with, and part of, the solution.

The adamant position that Kosovo is a sovereign state with its own constitution does not hold any legal weight. Kosovo is still a province and likely, at least in part, to remain a protectorate of some sort.

For the first time the KLA leadership really has to negotiate and, as expected, it is clear that they are not very good at it. The word compromise does not exist in the Albanian dictionary. The problem is that they are not dealing with US government officials that can easily be bribed by Albanians in the US (that was a smart move and for the time being worth the money, however in the long run the money will turn out to be waisted). The strong support for Thaci and his criminal gang by the Albanian postings here proves once again that it is nothing more than a terrorist maffia EU enclave/NATO state. You people finally start realizing that the EU does not care one bit about you. All Serbia has to do is be patient and wait until some extremist group will snap and restart terrorist activities but now aimed at UN and EU (and maybe even NATO) personal. Thing are going very well for the Albanians in Kosovo (NOT!!!).

Well, the Cosa Nostra Banana Republic of Kosovo officials will have to agree to anything put forward by the SC, EU, etc.

Cut the financial flow to Kosovo and they will sign inmediately. They are only in power, for the money....

To all current Albanian posters. I just want to remind you that SERBIA owns the land of Kosovo
(Another Canadian Serb, 13 November 2008 14:18)

Amen. More precisely: while Albanians (or even me) can buy a house there, the unsold public property does belong to Serbia.

This does apply to railroads, public roads, etc.

There is of course a very interesting question: what happens with the public roads which were repaired since 1999?

The answer: unauthorized repair does not change property conditions, sorry.

The "Kosovo Republic" is indeed a unique case worldwide: it's a "Republic(?)" legally without any public property.

The puppets are rebelling??? are they still puppets or not- Serbian camp????
(ben, 13 November 2008 12:33)
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ben, when puppets cut their strings they are left with no support and end up as useless pieces of cloth lying on the stage, so we shall see what Pristina chooses.

Puppets receive instructions and do not negotiate.

O man... when is this uck government going to stop repeating this ahtisari plan? That thing was trashed a long time ago.

* A Message from Western Europe *

Dear friends, Serbian, Albanian

We, the West, really want you to join the EU. But please get over your nationalism.

If we allow Kosovo to split from Serbia where will it end? A Europe of 100 states? Come on!

Kosovo should stay in Europe and Serbia with this Kosovo should join EU!

There are more then enough borders and states! We don't need a new state Kosovo.

We need you to join the EU!

And stop using words like Albo and Serbo. Please!

Love and peace from Western Europe!

And who said negotiations let alone independence had been finalised ?

Oh dear it would seem that reality has hit home to Sediju and Thaci and only now they start to comprehend the position that their US "friend" has landed them in! Accept what we tell you you have no position and will wilt to US demands!

Cant wait for the ethnic Albanians in Serbia's soverign and UN recognised province to comprehend the reality of their misguided view "no change in US foreign policy" that Obama and "Change we must" really means to their predicament.

In the meantime the Serbian institutions have deepened and spread further throughout its UN recognised province all the while Sediju and Thaci are being spun like cracked records. Of course come the time of the ICJ verdict Serbian institutions will have full legitamacy and only then will Sediju and Thaci fully realise the spin from their "US friends"!

Certainly the UK Govt. comprehend only too fully that ICJ will be favourable to Serbia's position;

"On the fifth resolution, in relation to seeking an Advisory Opinion from the International Court of Justice on the legality of Kosovo's declaration of independence, the United Kingdom abstained from the vote, along with 73 other member states. The UK strongly supports the International Court of Justice, but questioned the utility of this request, believing it to be potentially destabilising for Kosovo, Serbia and the wider region." http://www.theyworkforyou.com/wrans/?id=2008-11-10a.230242.h&s=kosovo#g230242.r0

Of course the likes of Sediju and Thaci either fail to comprehend the reality or look like troublemakers to their "US friends"!

Oh what a tangled web we weave...

All I have to say is, if Serbia insists on partition of Mitrovoca, not a single Serb has a place in the rest of Kosovo, nor Presevo valley.
Btw, we no longer need Ahtisari plan, Serbia doesn't want it, and we don't either...
Enjoy...

PRN,

Stop recommending your own posting. There is no way in the world that your posting deserves so many recommendations while many pro-Albanian ones get a fraction (of course given by Albanians, but that is OK). I would like to ask B92 to block recommendations from the same IP address and limit it to one for each individual posting. I am sure that the statistics will change dramatically and that it can be done technologically.

The puppets are rebelling??? are they still puppets or not- Serbian camp????

The Kosova's constitution was literally written by the EU.

Now the same EU undermines it.

While for the bureaucrats that would not be a great deal for the people to whom it will apply (Kosovars) means life.

Now, I do understand that EU has to negotiate with Russia and this is part of that 'bigger' negotiation but or Russia will learn her limits and/or accept compromises or no deal.

Russia’s Limits: her influence ends with Belgrade- it will never reach Kosova and most importantly Montenegro- although they do all in their might to strengthen Serbia via which will control Montenegro and aim at Kosova. They aim to control Kosova because the access to Montenegro and Adriatic would be much more secure and routes reliable.

Now compromise: if take the north than you should give up the Preseva valley.

Again this is not OK with Russian interests since in that case the traditional Russian friendly north-south corridor will have to be pushed much more into east- Bulgaria. With Preseva valley they will loose the influence on the north-south Russian arteria (Serbia-Greece).

Now it looks that EU does not understand or doesn’t want to understand that by weakening Albanians they will strengthen the positions of Russia in Mediterranean.

Or perhaps someone in EU wants’ to converge a bit with the Russian interests by taking something back from Russia [we all know what]- think who recently visited Moscow more frequently in various levels.

While for EU, Russia, US this is geopolitical game for us is LIFE and FREEDOM.

We already did a lot of compromises #8 http://xs4.b92.net/eng/news/your_comment.php?nav_id=54947 and without any compromise form the other side (Russian- with respect to Serbia, but Serbia is just a proxy, historically they would not open a mouth without the blessing of Moscow) there will not be an agreement.

Six pint plan will be modified to suit both parts, but it will still remain six points plan.
Deployment of EULEX in North of Kosova is a must, in order to start stabilize Serbia and Kosova and get rid of Serbian mafia, the same mafia that rules other parts of Kosova inhabited by Serbs, i.e Gracanica where Princip enjoys its stay in Serbia or not. If you got to Gracanica you will find Arsenal flag, Man U flag, Swedish flag, of course Serbia flag and scared people form Serbian mafia. Same thing goes for north of Kosova just that it is worst.
Deploy EULEX, bring in rule of law, remove thugs to Serbia and that live.

Ok, folks let's put a spin on Pristina wilting under pressure from the EU and the UN. If they don't agree then it is a stalemate forget about support and Mr Thaci and Sejdiu is watching that billion euros go out the window. I said Serbia has figured out how to play the game. No i am not a Serb nor am i pro serb i am just looking at reality.

Why should 15% of Serbia's population have a say over 85% of the population? The "more than autonomy but less than independence" offer is extremely generous to the Albanians considering their previous terrorist activities.

But who would have thought only a month ago that so many Serbians would welcome the deployment of the EU mission? I have to give it to the occupiers, they really managed to spin this one very well.

Though I can see the compromise I am still opposed to the deployment as it solidifies the occupation and increases the risk of selling out Kosovo.

I do hope the Albanians reject this mission although whatever happens, I hope they don't return to violence and destruction. Based on some of the comments from team Albania here, this seems a real possibility.

However, I do hope an acceptable compromise is negotiated. Peace to all.

Even if he accepts 100% of the points, it means nothing, EULEX will do what they want, and Serbs will start to complains about EU 'breaking' the resoltuion

"The albo's in Kosovo have never compromised. they demand independence and to rule over serbs in kosovo. you just ain't gonna get what you want, and no, you won't be touching presevo, that isn't coming anywhere near the negotiating table."

This does not divide anything. Any division would be done in 5-10-20 years, and then Presheva comes into play. EU will press for integration and will do it, so ignore all what you see on paper. Just look what happened with 1244 since 1999. As soon as EULEX gets this piece of paper, they will get in and implement Ahtisaari plan. If Serbia has a any problems with that, they can convince all 5 UN SC members.

BTW: On Albanian press, Thaci said that he will resign rather than sign this and modifications are being presented.

For a long time, Albanias have been used to be given everything they wanted from America and Europe, now is a different moment.

EULEX CANNOT implement the Ahtisarri plan, even if it wants to. When that paper is signed, it'll have to follow the rules.

don't believe me? well you thought you could bring EULEX into Kosovo without permission, it's now obvious that can't happen, even with Ban Ki Moon's authority.

Even if EULEX implements ahtisarri plan, so what? it has no legal standing, and Serbia can say EULEX broke international law. Who do you think will win that argument in a court at the ICJ?

as for thaci, put him on the first plane to belgrade when he loses his job. he doesn't have the guts to quit when he has to sign upto the 6 point plan. how embarrassing.

If EULEX doesn't come to Kosovo, it won't be the albanians running Kosovo, it'll be UNMIK. And if it's not UNMIK, then Serbia will role into Kosovo and take charge again as per it's legal right.

llir - unfortunately for you you can claim serbia as albanian land as well, butat the UN, Serbia including Kosovo is Serbian land, not albanian , kosovo albanian or any other albanian land. the law is the law and you don't have a leg to stand on.

PRN - most of the democratic world?? come back to planet earth if you think you can take the north by force. the US with a new president will want to change it's global image. the last thing it wants is for it's protectorate to attack a minority, but even if you did, you'd be crushed again comprehensively. The kosovo army is a mickeymouse army.you can't enforce anything in the north, that's a reality.

as for 100+ countries, dream on. recognition has practically come to a halt. everyone wants to wait for an ICJ ruling. even if ANOTHER 100 countries recognise you (butthey won't), what good will that be. you can't get a seat at the UN with Russia and China at the SC!!

Albano - Thaci said many things, like Kosovo is independent. unfortunately imagination and reality are two different things. Kosovo is not independent and is a UN protectorate. Ask yourself this. If it wasn't a protectorate, you'd be able to partake in all international organisations like any other country. unfortunately you can't. your representative is UNMIK, hence you are a UN protectorate.

On 13 November 2008 11:54, ZK asked:

"Why should 15% of Serbia's population have a say over 85% of the population?"

Let me ask a similar question:

Why should someone living in Novi Sad, Zrenjanin, or Valjevo have a say over the population in Prizren, Pec or Pristina?

Or why should the 7.5 million Serbs have a say over the 450 million in the EU that thinks Kosovo independence is a good idea? They are only 1,6% of the population.
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albanians should accept because the UN and Europe and America are telling you to accept it, so do it are your in big trouble and things will get even worse for you and your money and people will go out the door.

Ok PM thaci go ahead and resign and Ramush of the AAK will become PM sign the 6 points and move on with life.

Begin of quetzal's end, I guess, isn't it?

I can understand Albanian posters anger and frustration. They were riding wave of unrealistic euforia - nationalism(some of them still-e.x. albano)but lately they realized the reality coming from US-EU-UN-You are not independent in any way.

Partly it's not all your fault - US-EU tried to give you something (land) that is not theirs - but when you scratch a bit - NO WIN - when try to put things to legal paths-UN - it's hit the wall - message again read - TRY AGAIN.
Again my point is, Serbia haven't had management skills to manage south of the province - Albanians don't deserve it either - probably diplomacy will work it out - Partition with South under UN-NATO protectorate with sign - UNDER NEW MANAGEMENT - (albanians no decision makers - but will get big boost with titles and pins - senior store managers - etc).

But they need to pay the rent, lease or buy it out and negotiate the price with legal owners of the land. (ICJ court decision is pending - it will help the process and pricing settlement).

Accept the six points condition Thaci / Sejdiu. you have NO legal basis what so ever about your so called independence. RESOLUTION 1244 IS VERY MUCH ALIVE IN THE UN.
(Serb Allay, 13 November 2008 11:39
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1244 for K.Albanians is History and nothing else.
We are going forward.

1. Team Jeremic has done an outstanding job on this issue, and managed to get far more than I expected. Generally, this should have been "case closed" by June. It isn't.

2. Higher powers helps the ones who help themselves. That is what the Serbian authorities has done, and - tataa! - a financial crisis bankrupts the US, and Camp Bondsteel will be removed during the next Presidential term. The US can not afford the economic cost of serving it, no more than they can afford the political cost of maintaining this whole mess.

So, with the Americans out, the Russians bankrupt (believe me, this is 1998 all over again for them) it is the EU who will be calling the shots (and don't count on Britain, their as bankrupt as the Russians). After all, with Serbia as a EU member and Kosovo as a EU protectorate, it is EU territory whichever way you look at it. And the EU have a relatively different stance on this than the US.

Not that I think Kosovo is ever going to be Serbia again. It won't. But it will not be the independent Kosovo that Thaci and co aimed for. The Serb minority will enjoy wide freedoms, Belgrade will keep its influence in the enclaves as well as in the North, and Serbs, and other minorities, will have certain political and judicial privileges.

These privileges will be a thorn in the eye of many Albanians, especially since the "country" will continue to be the poorest in Europe, and institutionally incapacitated for a long time to come.

Some people will start to experience the true meaning of "supervised" independence. And it is not nearly as cozy as the Tadic plan. Which the same people stupidly rejected.

Three things I can discern from Albanian recalcitrance:

Either Thaci and Sejdiu know they're getting continued support from Washington, so they can say what they want.

Or Thaci and Co. already know the jig is up, know they're going to be pressured into making a deal, and are shouting at the cameras in order to make them look strong for their own constituents

Or that Thaci and Co. have finally lost their mind, actually think they can handle governing Kosovo without the massive international backing and financial support, and are no less territorially aggressive than Milosevic and Kostunica.

Whatever the scenario, I say the West ought to threaten to withold their financial support to Pristina. Let's see how fast these guys rush to the bargaining table then.

Kind of funny how Pristina's acting a lot like Belgrade prior to February 2008 :)

"barbarian threats?" What is he smoking?

Why UN has to discuss EULEX deplyment with Serbia?
EULEX is not going to Serbia. If there are any conitions, should be discussed between EU, UN and Kosova democratically elected officials.
Back off Jeremic. This is not Beograde

Does Jermic really thinks that he has any authority over Kosova. Wish ya good luck but as far as I know Kosova was separated in 1998 and technically Kosova was independent back then. One thing I know for sure that anything that comes from Belgrade will never be accepted from Prishtina. Already Kosova is recognized by 53 countries and they fully support the independence which means no more talk between Prishtina and Belgrade on this very behalf. Right now the world is concerned about global finacial crisis so do you really think that they would care if Prishtina accepts it or not?

"I can understand Albanian posters anger and frustration. They were riding wave of unrealistic euforia - nationalism(some of them still-e.x. albano)but lately they realized the reality coming from US-EU-UN-You are not independent in any way. "

Nicely said, "dd", I am a nationalist, while I can't love you before I love myself, I can't love your nation, before I love mine, and I am proud of that.
Anyway lets get to the point , and I like your saying that we are still not independent , so the time has come, we will soon ( couple days maybe ) be very independent, because ( I give you a fact ), the people of Kosova is to decide, noone else, neither Tadic,Ban Ki Moon or Sejdiu, and what ever it was, what ever you like to say , if you owned the Kosova once, today is a different reality, 95% are albanians who owns Kosova, and their wish is to have nothing tied with Serbia, ( so they must all be nationalists).

Well, the Albanians really need to understand that 'independence of Kosovo' is illegal!

Start negotiating now!

We don't need more problems in the EU! We need cooperative parties in de EU!

You wanna join Europe? Stop making problems and face reality: there is an Albanian state, called Albania. There is a minority of Albanians in Serbia. Like there are Germans in Belgium. Austrians in Italy....

Learn to live with it! Welcome in Europe!

@Albanez

I am not off at all. Firstly, as long as some EU member states do not recognize Kosovo, the EU can't reject Serbia for that reason. Secondly, where did I state that Serbia would not recognize Kosovo?

Truth is, it is in Serbia's interest to actually recognize kosovo as soon as certain fundamental problems are solved, and the solution to those problems are outlined in my post. And I am pretty sure the future Kosov will look a lot like what I wrote.

And, just in case you don't get it, with the US out of Kosovo, the K.A leaders HAVE TO accept a compromise. In an uncertain world, and believe me, the next 20 years are going to be just that, a Kosovo without the protection of foreign troops will be tempting for some populist-fascist-jackass politician that have always been in good supply in Serbia.

So you see, everybody has an interest in a deal. For the Serbs it means that they are a lot less likely to elect a new warmonger. For the US it means that they can pull out without loosing too much face and creating mayhem, for the EU it means stability, membership for Serbia, and colonization of Kosovo. For the Serbs in Kosovo it means an opportunity to start over, and for the Albanians it means stability and security.

The alternative may be some shooting in Prishtina - as an echo from 1914. Nobody wants that.

In my opinion, Serbian and Kosovo Albanian politicians should sit down and negotiate a long-lasting deal. I think that this is very possible as Serbia do not intend to rule over Albanian population; the only ambition is to retain a symbolic presence of Kosovo within Serbia. Thus, just a little bit of flexibility on Albanian side would go a long way. If the long-lasting solution is not found (meaning if Belgrade is not in agreement with the imposed solution), the embryo of the future conflict will be seeded to be there forever. That would be unfortunate and should be avoided at (almost) any costs. Thus, it would be crucial to think and act responsible and bring change. And yes, I think, we can.

Best wishes to all posters.

Can someone please help me. I've been absent of late. Missed a bit. But, what in the heck has happened? is it not true that only a few months ago the albanians were head over heals with the idea of eulex.... something smells worse than fish here.

the K-albanians are threatening with violence again?

how stupid.

that´s just as if a five-year-old threatenend Mike Tyson with a Yo-Yo...

but as far as I am concerned, very good, as it shows the political maturity of the criminals who are "ruling" in Priština...

To all albanians:

Just because you are 95% of the population doesn't mean the land you live on belongs to you. Albanians have 6-8 children per family. No wonder there are so many albanians. In that case half of Europe could soon secceed and become an independent islamic republic due to a large muslim population. Does this mean that the muslims in Europe own the soil they now live on? You are guests in Kosovo and should be thankfull to your host Serbia for letting you escape Enver Hoxha and settle in Kosovo.

Or why should the 7.5 million Serbs have a say over the 450 million in the EU that thinks Kosovo independence is a good idea? They are only 1,6% of the population.
(Jan Andersen, DK, 13 November 2008 22:20)
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Quite simply because there are 5.3 billion people living in countries that have not recognised Kosovo compared to 700 million that have. Also, we know that the majority of citizens are against recognition in most countries that have recognised so the world is overwhelmingly for international law and against rewarding terrorists.

I rest my case.

>>> "Ok PM thaci go ahead and resign and Ramush of the AAK will become PM sign the 6 points and move on with life."

I dont't think you understand, do you? They have to have elections, a threat of resigning a major and Ramush would never ever do that anyway. They would need a Nedic and 95% of Albanians would still oppose it.

TS, your plans are a bit off. Serbia will never enter EU unless they recognize Kosova (ever wonder why Tadic keeps repeating "We will not..."...).

EULEX is the Trojan horse to integrate everyone in one system, regardless of what a piece of paper says. Your goals to screw the Albanians while you enjoy prosperity will not realize either: Both in EU or neither. Serbia might be a bit richer, but then Slovenia and Croatia was twice richer than Serbia, and US is probably 4-5 times. Once need not have 50,000 a year to live nicely. As for being a thorn, don't forget that Serbs live in majority Albanian areas, not the other way around so be careful of starting to play games. Once EU gets a letter from UN, no one will ask Serbia anymore.

Jeremic was quoted: "After months of hard talks, the agreement between Serbia and the UN on a number of issues of crucial importance for the survival of the Serb people in Kosovo was reached"

Keywords here: "between Serbia and the UN"

Why should the Kosovar government accept something that has been prepared by Serbia and UN? Kosovar input has been ignored altogether.
Good job Hashim and Fatmir.

You were forced to concede on many issues during the drafting of the Ahtisaari plan. That was enough. The compromise ends here. You drew the line in the right place!

You have the support of all the people that want peace in Kosova.

The "so called" leaders in Pristina are finally getting a dose of reality. They should soon start to realize what it means to be a "Puppet" government. There are quite literaly "Strings" attached and they will soon find out that NOTHING is for free, not event their psuedo independance.

“Kosovo works closely with the relevant international officials with a view to finding a solution that respects Kosovo’s independence, her sovereignty, the constitution of our republic, the document of President Ahtisaari and Kosovo’s territorial integrity. Priština will not be pressured. This process is still open. Belgrade can propose what it wants, but Belgrade’s dream of undermining Kosovo’s sovereignty died and was laid to rest on February 17 this year,“ he underlined.

It can't be clearer than that unless someone doesn't want to listen or see. One more thing. Same rights for Serbs living in Kosovo as to those rights enjoyed by Albanians in Presevo Bujanovac and Medvegja.
Kosova has nothing to lose by sticking strictly to its Constitutions which has been endorsed by the EU. The EU can enforce its will again Kosovars wishes if it wishes to do so but has to rule Kosova for very very long time indeed!

On 14 November 2008 02:26, Ron wrote:

"There are more then enough borders and states! We don't need a new state Kosovo."

And exactly what is the problem with states and borders?

In all my life (which is close to 50), I have been able to travel freely across the borders of Denmark, Sweden and Norway. Never had the need for a passport to do it. I have watched Swedish TV since childhood without a language problem. Before all this Schengen thing, I could take a trip to Germany (with my passport) and buy cheap beer there. I have never had a problem with states or borders.

So I ask again: What is the problem?
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Nick
"Why can Slovakia, Cyprus, Greece, Romania block our path towards full sovereignty and EU membership? These are some of the poorest and most corrupt states in the EU, and yet they have their say in the EU and use it to make our lives difficult. "

I'd say that the stance of the countries you have mentioned is rather neutral towards Kosovo. You cannot call inaction towards something to be offensive (and there are plenty of ways at hand, at least for my country, to be offensive, but they were never used)
Wasn't everybody around here saying that K-Albanians don't need the same poor, corrupt, deserted etc countries you have mentioned?!
You are entirely the masters of your own lives now, that's why NATO bombed Serbia as NATO says.

It's a trap to undo Feb 17th, legalize partition AND 'back away from the Ahtisaari Plan" without Kosova gaining anything in return. Serbia wanted it all and will get none, maybe you could have slipped a provision here and there, but Jeremic wanted it all and wanted to brag too. Ooopps! EU can't really leave so they will find a middle ground.

On Alb media: Kosova leaders have said no, unless police, customs and justice are controlled. The rest is negotiable. All will be supervised by EU anyway so Serbs should have no problem, you are applying for EU right? Trust them then!

Re: (Jayne Pristina, 14 November 2008 22:00)

It shocked me to read that a UN worker can behave in such an unprofessional manner. And why? Because an Albanian reader (who only represents himself) is unhappy with UNMIK??!!!
Do you really expect Albanian citizens to thank you on the street and kiss your hand every time you pass by and treat you differently? Or was that just a metaphor for being thankful in other means? How about naming a street Bill Clinton Boulevard for a thank you? I hope you don’t expect them to name every street after every UN soldier who’s missing their children for Christmas. I’m sure Kosovan citizens are more than thankful for what the Western powers have done for them but this is beside the point. UN soldiers/police are not charity workers this is the path they’ve taken, their job, like mine currently in a remote motel away from my child. It’s something we have chosen to do so please don’t blame K-Albanians if you and your colleagues are fed up with your job. If you’ve spent 6 years in Kosovo and still can’t understand why these people are so frustrated then you definitely need a career change.

I read B92 a lot and usually don't answer, but Nick KS, who wrote "For 9 years, the people of Kosova have suffered because of a two-level government system (UNMIK and the Government of Kosova)" really made me mad I felt it needed a answer, Kosovo has progressed due to UNMIK and their Gov, where do you think your fancy streets have come from, your improvements in the police force and judical system and the help to reduce corrpution, you seem to forget that in 1999 when the UN were asked to come in and help (a country must invite the UN in before they go into a country) that Kosovo was the first armed police mission to be ever had by the UN, so it was all new to them too, things in Kosovo were a mess there was no law structure, no rules or regulations, it was as hard for the International Police as it was for the Kosovars, but they certinaly have not suffered in any way, in fact they have profited by the International Community being there, The UN pay the international community, nothing comes from the Kosovo Gov, in turn the international community pay rent to local Kosavars at top price, shop in their markets, drink in their coffee bars and over all put money into the community, the UN have created jobs, all language assistants are paid by the UN not the Kosovo gov and again the money is put back into the community, if your international you can count on things costing twice as much as a local will pay, and they are always being ripped off with high rents, to be a international in Kosovo is to be treated with total disrespect so how can you say you have been treated badly by the UN for the last 9 years, you in Kosovo have never had it so good, money is pouring in and all you want to do is sit in a coffee bar and complain, yes the UN made mistakes and quite a few of them but without them here you would not be as better of as you are right now, wake up and smell the coffee you are always drinking, and from what I gather it was not Ksosvars who rose up in 1999 but NATO who stepped in. EULEX will do "anything" to get into Kosovo and push the UN out and do you think things will be any better, look at Bosina it is a mess, EULEX has had people on the ground for the last 6 months or more doing "nothing" and they pay them 100 euros a day to do that, EULEX have no offices, no desks, no computers, nothing but they are still pushing both sides to let them in, sometimes Nick it is "better the devil you know that the one you don't know" one more thing in case you don't know this UN Police work a 7 day week, most are very far away from their familys on birthdays and holidays, all still have to pay their debits back home including mortages, elec, etc as well as living expensives in Kosovo, and no one has ever just once walked up to one of them and said Thank you for what you do, all you do in Kosovo is complain, what would you do if EULEX doesn't come in and the UN pull out takling their money with them?? you would get such a reality shock, so stop complaining and be just a little grateful for a change, and I am not pro Serb or pro Kosovo, I am just someone who has been here 6 years and see's how things really are, there is good and bad in all things.

Ok guys, You should all know that if K-serbs get more rights then other minorities in the neighbouring countries then we will have a big problem in the Balkans. Just remeber that there are Albanian minorities in Greece, Macedonia, South Serbia, Montenegro,,,and they will ask for the same rights,,,what do you think it will happen???
Peace to all of you,,,

RE: (Jayne Pristina, 15 November 2008 23:18)

I truly feel sorry you are having such bad experience over there. All you are saying is that people are rude and unthankful. Generalising in that way isn’t why freedom of speech was ever meant to be abused. It is also unprofessional coming from a person like you, weather UNMIK or a charity organisation pays your wages, it doesn’t really matter that much. Yes, the UN did many great things no one is disputing that ( I don’t even think Nick is) but that’s nowhere near to what could/should have been done. You can’t blame Thaci and Sejdiu for this because we all know who is in charge there, and that’s not the Kosovan government. I’m not saying that Thaci would have improved things any better and thank god he’s not the one in charge anyway. Kosovan’s voted for ex KLA members because their campaigns were ‘helped’ by others (internationals) who need them to be there and do what they are told. So, if the system fails think twice about who is to blame. Everyone agrees that the question of Independence should have been dealt with in 1999, now my dear Jayne, that is not a minor mistake because it is that blunder (and many to follow) that makes people nine years later still struggle to make their ends meet (or as Nick puts it suffer). No one is comparing these nine years against the ones during Milosevic’s reign, but patronising people with comments like ‘be thankful with what you’ve got because without us you would have really suffered’ won’t gain you much respect anywhere. I did write last time some more about accommodation prices etc, but B92 decided not to publish it, I guess they saw it as advertising so fair enough and I won’t bother retyping it again.

We'd rather die than let others do whatever they want and take decisions for us. This is over forever.if EULEX wants to have a place here it should ask us the people who lives here, otherwise they wont be able to operate in The Republic of KOSOVA. We are ready for everything remember this.

US-NATO,who put the ethnic Albanians in power in Kosovo, can take them out of power. Look what happened to Iraq's Saddam Hussein.

Jayne: 6 years? Good God, I feel your pain. The K/Albs were calling us "okupatori" back in August 1999 before the UNMIK police had even been deployed. I can honestly say I've never encountered another society as collectively arrogant and deluded as that of Kosovo. It's a shame.

Re: BH_NYC from Jayne Pristina

I hate to burst your bubble but I am not a UN worker, and even if I were I would still as a person be entitled to voice my opinion, I got mad at the remark made by Nick that since 1999 Kosovo has suffered at the hands of the UN, and I felt as a person who understands the in's and out's of how some things work over here to respond, that is my right as a human being, I also made a mistake in saying I was here for 6 years, I came here in 2000 to help out after the war, and yes it was for charity and still is! I like my job very much Thank you, Children are more caring and friendly than adults, I never meant that people should kiss my hand and feet and say Thank you, but you chose to read something bad into my statement, it would be nice to be treated with some sort of friendliness and respect, as I give to the people here, I never forget for one minute that I am a guest in Kosovo! as for a street named after Bill Clinton I could care less, alot of things have been done in Kosovo that should not of been done and money spent where it was not meant to go, that is nothing to do with me, I get fed up with the UN being balmed for all the wrong things and NO ONE ever thinks of the positive things they have done, alot of hard work by the UN and Kosovars has been achived in the last 9 years and it should be noted not constantly put down, EULEX wants to be seen as the savior of Kosovo and they don't care how they get in or what plans they put into place to do it, they have had their planing team here for 2 years and still cannot get it right, nothing is in place for any sort of deployment, the ones here at the moment just sit around doing nothing all day but are still earning 100 euro a day and things can only get worse just like Bosina. I do understand the frustraion of the people but if you look back in history alot of countrys have suffered in the right for Independance but it takes time for it all to fall into place, Ireland for example, formally got Independance just 3 years ago after waiting over a 100 years, but in Kosovo they want it yesterday, and expect hand outs and contibutions from the rest of the world, Independance is just was it says, going it alone. We all chose the jobs we do for what ever reasons and if your in a drab motel away from your child you should have some sort of feeling for internationals that are away from their homes too, you are there for a reason but still lonely as they are the same over here, I maybe very wrong but I think your in a so called drab motel in the US! and I bet you are not being treated with the same rudeness and disrespect that is shown here, and I bet your not being ripped off for every penny you earn just because your not a local? Don't get me wrong in my time here I have met some really good people on both sides of the fence and I count my blessings for having them come into my life, but I also have never been treated with such contempt in my life and still I will stay for as long as I can help out, you chose to read bad into my letter just because I didn't say the Kosovars were wonderful and because I answered a Kosovars statement, that is freedom of speech my friend, but I don't have your bad attitude and as long as that sort of attitude exist in your countrymen nothing will ever change.

Thank you to Bystander and Dave for your really nice comments, it made getting the courage to write worth it

>>> "Ok PM thaci go ahead and resign and Ramush of the AAK will become PM sign the 6 points and move on with life."

I dont't think you understand, do you? They have to have elections, a threat of resigning a major and Ramush would never ever do that anyway. They would need a Nedic and 95% of Albanians would still oppose it.

TS, your plans are a bit off. Serbia will never enter EU unless they recognize Kosova (ever wonder why Tadic keeps repeating "We will not..."...).

EULEX is the Trojan horse to integrate everyone in one system, regardless of what a piece of paper says. Your goals to screw the Albanians while you enjoy prosperity will not realize either: Both in EU or neither. Serbia might be a bit richer, but then Slovenia and Croatia was twice richer than Serbia, and US is probably 4-5 times. Once need not have 50,000 a year to live nicely. As for being a thorn, don't forget that Serbs live in majority Albanian areas, not the other way around so be careful of starting to play games. Once EU gets a letter from UN, no one will ask Serbia anymore.
(Albanez, 13 November 2008 20:16) When they threw Ramush under the bus Gen Ceku was appoineted PM and there was no election. Same would happen again once PM Thaci steps down. However it will not be as peaceful as when Ramush step down he told the people not to result to violence because he was forced out or should i say thrown under the bus by the PDK. Albanez research before shooting off your mouth. I was there and i know for a fact it was a snow job they did.

Dear Jayne

I wish to thank you for your comments.

Your prospective is invaluable for understanding what is going on in Kosovo/a. I, and I am sure other members of the public, would greatly appreciate if you write up a more detailed account of your experience in Kosovo/a.

We all look forward to your more detailed comments.

Kind regards

Bystander

Jayne Pristina

Well written and who can argue with that? Most comments on this site are pro serb or pro albanian so it's nice to hear someone elses side of the story.
I'm just wondering if there are similar situations in other countries where the locas are that ungreatfull from being rescued from terminatiotion?
There is no doubt in my mind that there are good and bad people everywhere but I have also heard some wired stories about working in Kosovo. A friends friend worked as a UN soilder and said that they were stopped by local alabnians who demanded money from the soilders for using local roads. In other words they had to pay albanians to protect them. I serverd in Lebanon and twice in Bosnia. After some of the stories I heard I declined to go to Kosovo. I wonder if the people there sometimes really know what they are doing?

Dear Xhevdet,

Thank you for your comments.

I hope that you will not be forced to die. More importantly, I hope that your children and grandchildren can also live in peace. Your leaders should take this opportunity to negotiate a viable and long-lasting solution with Serbia.

I wish you all the best.

Dear Jayne,

Thank you for your follow up and for sharing your experience. This is worth to me more than any official report.

I also wish to thank you for trying to help. I do hope that your efforts will be fruitful and that the day will come when you will feel deservedly appreciated.

I wish you all the best in your life and success in your future career, whatever it might be.

Best regards

Bystander