HLC: Over 13,000 Kosovo victims identified

You can expect the Serbs and Serbia to accept guilt over anything that happened in the balkans or in Serbia itself when hell freezes over. Until then the Serbs will always regard themselves as the greatest people of the balkans, who were done great injustices by the world superpowers because they were jealous of Serbia's greatness. The rest of the other balkans nations to a lot of Serbs out there are just a bunch of subhumans (in this category fall especially the Albanians,Croats, and Bosniacs). These subhumans will be crushed and with the help of Rusia pay back as soon as America falls, and NATO ceases to exist. This is the ideology of Artemje, Kostunica, the Radicals, the Socialists and Tadic and Jeremic (although the last two do a great job at hiding it). Looking at the last elections, that is the majority of Serbs. That is what killed all these people, but leave it to a Serb and he/she will come up with millions of excuses but in no way Serbi is, was or ever will be at fault.

Serbia admits 9,260 Albanians killed!!!

This number surpasses the number of victims killed in Srebrenica (though 9,260 Albanians is by Serbian source, we know that the number is by far larger).

Another genocide admitted.

Do you still want to talk about Kosovo status?

O tempora, o mores!

To the Serb panel on B92

Here it is in black & white:

"The Center dismisses media reports that it has so far registered 12,000 Serb victims, adding that the victims include 9,260 Albanians, 2,488 Serbs, 470 of other ethnicities, and 1,254 unidentified victims."

Are you going to say that all the Albanian victims are fiction?

(Before you jump; I am not disregarding the Serbian & other victims but just the numbers)

No need to comment any further.

just a little math:

according to albanians and some western media, there are 2 million albanians in kosovo.

by the same sources, 250,000 serbs, including the displaced.

this is roughly 10 - to - 1.

the numbers killed presented above are about 4 - to - 1. this means that more serbs were killed, in proportion to the population, than albanians.

let's also not forget about the albanians killed by their own people and nato bombs.

the truth now becomes more lucid, doesn't it?

I am sure now that Peggy & Co are going to say that all the victims were created by NATO bombs.

Although I must say that those bombs must have been very very selective "9,260 Albanians, 2,488 Serbs, 470 of other ethnicities"

I don't know how after this report the Serbian G. will have the moral to go in front of ICJ panel and ask for a decision.

Or let's just forget,, the above is all a lie - or is it??

God job Serbs!
Can you now stop saying that only 2000 people were killed by Serbian troops?

The do not mention how many of the Albanians were soldiers. The KLA lost thousands of soldiers.

Plus this covers and almost 3 years period. So they are counting way beyond the NATO bombing.

They also aren't mentioning how many Albanians were killed by NATO bombs and the KLA.

It's known that some of the KLA's main targets were Albanians who didn't cooperate or whom they were suspicious of.

"The Center states that all the victims were living in Kosovo between January 1998 and December 2000"

Dear Albanians, your excitement over this news
is misplaced. I would like to remind everyone that the Serbia Army completely withdrew from Kosovo at the end of the war in June 1999; yet the above article cleary states that they are finding victims who died as late as December 2000, a full 1 year and six months after Nato the Serbs left.

So exactly who was killing all of these Albanians and others during the 1-1/2 period after Serbia left, and Nato took control? The answer to this question is certainly not Serbia. This article in fact proves that Albanian Terrorists (IE the KLA) continued killing serbs, roma, moderate albanians, and others a full year and half after the Kosovo war had ended, while NATO did nothing to stop the slaughter. For Shame!

Let me get this straight, the Serbian response to the HLC report is that ethnic Albanians killed themselves? These people have no shame. To those who don't know or pretend not to, Serbia is the only state in post-WWII Europe to have been found guilty of not preventing genocide. This decision was given on the accusation by Bosnia-Herzegovina at the International Court of Justice in The Hague. Serbs are now saying that they will only use peaceful means to resolve the status of Kosova, but of course, it makes sense now your "glorious" army is not facing elderly women and children.

Their death has not fallen in vein. Full independence, long live the Republic of Kosovo.

Joe
FYI there were at least 40000 Serbian troops in Kosovo during time, death rate usually is higher on the military personnel.
KLA never fought Kosovo Serbs it fought Serbian military and paramilitary forces in Kosovo, note the fact that those 2500 Serb victims are mostly from Serbia. So according to your math

Serbia has around 8 mil people + (you said 250000 Serbs from Kosovo) that is 8250000

Kosovo has 2 mil

This is roughly 4 to 1
Death rate is 16 Albanians to 1 Serb, and this means that there are "way more" Albanians killed that Serbs.

What happend to the 150,000 Albanians killed by Serbians that the USA used to justifey their NATO war against Serbia, my-oh-my this number gets smaller as every year passes, last year it was 15,000 and the year before 25,000, this year we are at less than 10,000.

How many of these victims were killed in combat action, or during the commission of a Terrorist act?

Finally I would like to add that one innocent life lost is too many, much less 100's or 1,000 if indeed that is the case, my point being in this post is that the world was lied to about the amount killed just to justify an illegal war against Serbia.

Today, as I write this there will be approximately over 1,000 people murdered somewhere in the African content due to true ethnic cleansing, and yet the US, UN and EU do nothing about it.

A note to the Albanians: The EU and US are not your friends, they just have an interest in the land you live on. Ask yourselves what makes you any better than the average innocent Africans being murdered as I write this post, NOTHING, its all about the land and where Governments interest are, never forget their interest is not in you as a people or the hardships and even crimes committed against you but instead the land that you live on.

oh wow.

now our dear friends are happy-clapping again...

I wonder nobody asks what this ominous HLC is? ever heard about it? who is paying for it?
how comes they have so exact numbers when the united nations couldn´t provide such exact data?

and why is someone working on this at all, when the UN came to the conclusion that there were all in all some 3000 victims, all parties included.

who could have an interest to "present" higher numbers right now after the serbian success at the general assembly of the UN...?

I think there is not much to be happy about, my dear friends. it´s merely worth your lines...

I´d say this is just another one of these "brilliant" journalistic moves of B92...

worthless.

It sure is incredible how two sides can both spin the same information in completely diferrent directions.

Chill out. People died. Show some respect.

Stop the blame game and look inside yourself for a way to make things better from now on.

People can be such idiots sometimes.

As an outsider who has a love of the region, I feel sad that almost all postings are simple squabbling over numbers – each one designed to further their own sectarian goal. A plague on both your houses! People from all sides should be expressing shame and disgust that this situation was ever allowed to happen. People from both sides should be expressing sorrow that even a single civilian was killed. Can’t you see that the petty, cruel bickering gives the impression that people cannot move on and build a peaceful and prosperous future? You let the world know yourself when you write these comments. I feel fortunate to know that most people of the region are willing to engage in this endeavour.

Peggy, ZK UK, L*O*G*I*C and others, please spend a moment to reflect; ask yourself if you are helping your community to find peace – or are you really preserving hatred?

Obviously they are counting Roma with Albanian names as Albanians.

The Roma had thousands killed and kidnapped by the KLA, yet they complained that their names were put on Albanian lists.

The Albanians are obviously counting the Roma as Albanians since they use Albanian language/Muslim names.

The do not mention how many of the Albanians were soldiers. The KLA lost thousands of soldiers.

Plus this covers and almost 3 years period. So they are counting way beyond the NATO bombing.

They also aren't mentioning how many Albanians were killed by NATO bombs and the KLA.

It's known that some of the KLA's main targets were Albanians who didn't cooperate or whom they were suspicious of.

You can't count KLA war dead as civilians.

“The do not mention how many of the Albanians were soldiers. The KLA lost thousands of soldiers.

Plus this covers and almost 3 years period. So they are counting way beyond the NATO bombing.

They also aren't mentioning how many Albanians were killed by NATO bombs and the KLA.

It's known that some of the KLA's main targets were Albanians who didn't cooperate or whom they were suspicious of.”

Ida, I have got to admire the way you try to elucidate the information from this article, but you cannot alter the fact that this article was written by The Humanitarian Law Center in Belgrade.

From what I can understand for you is not important how many people have died – but how they have died!!


Or, are you trying to say that The Humanitarian Law Center in Belgrade are lying??

My dear Albanians, stop making up stories about those figures. It is well known that Albanians were killing their own so you only need to ask Thaci about those deaths.

Also, those figures represent 0.5% of the provincial Albanian population but 2% of the Serbian and non-Albanian population. So in fact 4 times as many Serbians + co died in relative terms.

So how did they die? We know the Albanians invited NATO bombs that ended up killing a thousand or two of their own. There was Albanian terrorist activity in the region that Serbian forces were cracking down on. This was our very own war on terror, so as you can see, a large amount were soldiers on the Serbian side and terrorists on the Albanian side.

However, this figure is relatively light on the Albanian side when considering the number of deaths in both Iraq and Afghanistan. However, the 2% death rate of Serbians is rather high for that period.

The Albanians will have to answer to those genocide crimes, deaths, ethnic cleansing and destruction, soon enough.

joe your jugdment is really flawed.. Because there is more albanians it is ok to kill more??? My heart and prayers with the families on both sides. I hope that Kosova will be truly the land of all

The truth becomes more lucid??? I assume you came to that conclusion because "only" four Albanians were slaughtered for every one Serb? That is the most absurd thing I have ever heard!!!

So no UCK terrorists are among these albans?

Can anyone tell me how many albans were killed by uck terrorists?

Also, can someone tell me how many albans were killed by nato (liberators) bombs?

I can only repeat what Ida and Joe have stated.
They haven't finished processing the dead.

How many of the Albanian victims were soldiers and yes, how many were killed by NATO?
How many were killed by KLA themselves?

Repeating again, 90% Albanian population to 10% Serbian is represented in these figures and some more.

When you take all this into account these type of figures were to be expected.

But a very good question still remains. How many were civilians?

When they get ALL the facts out I will be more interested to know.

Peggy & Co. signing off.

PRN

You can't compare Srebrenica to Kosovo. The 9 260 Albanians were killed over the course of the entire war, some of them in combat situations, some in massacres, some by the KLA, there were several reasons. Srebrenica was the planned, systematic extermination of the Bosnian male population of the city. There is a big difference between the two.

There was no genocide in the Kosovo war (ethnic cleansing, yes, isolated massacres, yes, genocide, no), don't throw that word around, it's a really harsh accusation.

Just look at serb comments. Even murdered Albanians need to be assaulted again. Yeas dear Jovans&ZKUKS etc. You got it: Albanian killed Albanians, their families and themselves just to blame Serbs. It's the dastardly nature of Albanians only you can see, because the others are blind, right? You also know better, than NATO killed Albaians and all pictures showing celebrating Kosovos liberation were manipulated by CNN.
Congratulations for your clear-sightedness.

As Joe has pointed out these figures amount to roughly 1.5% of Serbs in Kosovo being killed during the conflict compared to 0.4% of Albanians. Sort of brings the whole 'genocide' argument in perspective.

hi r10,

so you are saying that kosovo is serbia? you can't have it both ways.

maybe the 80's should be counted in these figures as well.

and, if serbia had a systematic program to kill albanians, why did so many of them run into central serbia when nato bombs started falling?

Sure Joe and Ida whatever makes you sleep better. Just I don't know what the number of victims is going to be after the missing are included??? Is still somebody out there entertaining the idea of 2000 dead? May all of them rest in peace.

First of all I would like to express my deepest condolence to the all families of killed civilians. War should be a fight between armies not against civilians. Therefore, I see those figures very suspiciosly, considering the fact that some 686 Serbian policemans and soldiers were killed from the total number of 2400 killed Serbians (or 35% of killed persons were members of armed forces), while only 450 UÇK soldiers were killed from the total number of 9200 killed Albanians (only 5% of killed were members of armed forces). This comparising tells us real face of this dirty war: Extermination of civilian Albanian population and destroying of their property (more than 120.000 burned houses, including mine as well).
Regards and hope this will never happen again to anyone.

I am a Serb living in Germany and I am quite frankly sickened by the large amounts of trash that some of you use to bicker. One, three, five or over thirteen thousand! Each one of these people is dead because of the collective stupidity of a couple of nations in which false nationalism is blazing like a forest fire, which is being fanned from the so-called super powers.

Instead of Serbs and Albanians arguing over this report, both should praise the Serbian honesty in presenting its torrid past to the world. I do not think that we will see this sort of report come from the USA when it is asked how many innocent Iraqi’s it slaughtered since the invasion. The same goes for you too my dear Albanian friends. I have seen no reports of admission from you or your leaders, KLA or not! Yes, we Serbs are guilty of some of the most horrendous atrocities committed in the closing years of the 20th century but put your hands on your hearts, if you have one that is, and ask yourselves, were we, the Serbs, the only national group in the Balkans who were responsible for such atrocities and when you have done this then close your eyes and picture the face of just ONE of these victims. It is not important if they were Serb, Albanian or any other nationality. Then come back to me and continue your pathetic arguments about math and numbers and percentages. Maybe then you will thank God, Allah or Bog that none of those victims were YOU!

If these reports can be confirmed I would like to be the first poster to say that I am deeply saddened by the deaths of 13000 people.

This can not be condoned or justified as innocents should never pay the price for the political ambitions of a few.

With respect to the victims I say that we should all advocate the end of war rhetoric and further distance ourselves from the path of racist humiliations and atrocities.

A few days ago there were reports of a Gorani school being levelled and people on this website found justifications and pointed fingers- now when the deaths of 13000 people are reported dead there are again further justifications and finger pointing. No one is convinced by, or benefits from, finger pointing but it is the main activity of this site and I should admit that I have done it too.

I think it is about time that we all feel a little remorse and move our discussions away from 'ethnics' when what we should be talking about is 'ethics'

Thank you, HLC, thank you natasa kandic! your work and support has been invaluable and we will never forget you.

but let me please just make this point: it is not our job to convince the nationalists about how many people were killed, of which nationalities, etc. they already have their agenda, and no amount of facts will sway them. believe me, on this point, i know of what i speak.

as for the ICJ, natasa's findings will be presented, along with many other documents and files. they will never find in serbia's favor, believe me. i was never worried about that to begin with. and as i have written, taking these matters to a public forum is a good thing, a prime opportunity. and when opportunity knocks...

it isn't the case itself, but how their regime is using it, trying to still or silence frnds of kosovo/a, frnds of independence. so far, not very successful.

but it will slow down any progress in the area, and it may help blgd gain manuever room in their plans for partition, as well as stiring up trouble with RS (yes, i warned about that!)

so we shall see. as they say, we live in interesting times, which is not always such a good thing...

roberto

the comments on this page are simply a result of the politics of victimisation. there is no respect for victims. they are simply a tool used for political goals. and since they are used for political gains of one side to the detriment of the other there will be little or no willingness to accept the responsibility on either.

I cannot believe what I'm reading

"the numbers killed presented above are about 4 - to - 1. this means that more serbs were killed, in proportion to the population, than albanians."

So you can argue if the Albanians were the aggressors and running ethnic cleansing campaigns, Serbs should have been wiped out completely since Albanians are overwhelming majority.

Get real
Serbian illusions are funny. I wonder how many decades it's going to take for you people to wake up.

No one has mentioned that the Humanitarian Law Center is a George Soros funded outfit that has been used to disseminate NATO propaganda and demonize Serbs for years. They fabricated the now widely debunked story of the "freezer trucks" back in 1999. Natasa Kandic openly sided with NATO during the bombing. She chided other journalists for protesting NATO's attack on journalists. Kandic's testimony has used to railroad Serbs at the Hague. Always used as a so-called "anonymous human rights activist".

Here's an example.

The New York Times of January 26, 2004 published a report commenting on the resignation of USA Today correspondent Jack Kelley over an article he had written in 1999.

The Times report commented:

"In his July 1999 article, Mr. Kelley referred to a three-ring notebook with a black vinyl cover that contained a direct order "typed on army stationery and stamped by the Supreme Defense Council of the Yugoslav Army Headquarters in Belgrade, which is headed by Milosevic." The order, which Mr. Kelley said was typed in Cyrillic letters and intended for a lieutenant, read: "The aim of the military activity should be to cleanse Cusk and the surrounding villages and terrain."
And further:

"In the article, Mr. Kelley wrote about a Yugoslav Army notebook that had a typed order to "cleanse" a Kosovo village, although he did not identify the person who showed him the notebook. He added that United Nations investigators considered this "the strongest and most direct evidence linking the government of Yugoslav President Slobodan Milosevic to 'ethnic cleansing' in Kosovo."

Announcing Kelley’s resignation, the USA Today issue of 13th January 2004 stated that they had concluded a seven-month investigation into "whether Kelley might have embellished or fabricated stories."

According to the New York Times Kelley had claimed as his source for the story, "A human rights advocate" and confirmed that source as "The rights advocate, Natasa Kandic, the executive director of the Humanitarian Law Center in Belgrade"

And meanwhile, another Srebrenica grave is discovered. Slowly but steadly, the truth about what happened in the dissolution of Yugoslavia is being unearthed.

I don't believe what kind of comments I am reading in here.
Don't you guys get it, these people are dead!!! Instead of saying something like, this is a tragedy or RIP for them, you keep arguing who did what. Whoever did it, killing is wrong, no matter what.
I am pretty sure that some of those dead people did something bad but should we just let them to rest in peace ?
And I would like to say to some people in here something. Just wanted to say that in Kosovo there were so many innocent Albanian civilians killed.
One dead person is a lot and we are talking more that 10 thousand people here!

I must praise the comment made by Nikola Knjezevic. I really thank you for your time and the comment. There should be more people like you in the region, but since you live in Germany, this tells me that you are not a person who would be welcomed in Belgrade! Telling the truth is the most appreciated thing in life, and you did it, so I thank you again and I can't add anything more cz you said it all.

Stop the maths and stuff guys, these numbers are DEAD people (be them Albanians, Serbs, Roma...).

RIP to the dead people!

Greets from Prishtina!

Peter Sudyka, how can you have "isolated massacres without seeing the many cities and villages destroyed by the same method of operation (MO) the Serbs demonstrated? If I were to go on a multi- state arson spree, here in the U.S., would you consider the level of flames in the multiple sites to be unrelated because of the enormity of the fires? The Serbs nationalist' "matches" are all the same in igniting the fires that permanently destroyed Tito's dream of brotherhood and unity.

My dear Albanians, stop making up stories about those figures. It is well known that Albanians were killing their own so you only need to ask Thaci about those deaths.

Also, those figures represent 0.5% of the provincial Albanian population but 2% of the Serbian and non-Albanian population. So in fact 4 times as many Serbians + co died in relative terms.

So how did they die? We know the Albanians invited NATO bombs that ended up killing a thousand or two of their own. There was Albanian terrorist activity in the region that Serbian forces were cracking down on. This was our very own war on terror, so as you can see, a large amount were soldiers on the Serbian side and terrorists on the Albanian side.

However, this figure is relatively light on the Albanian side when considering the number of deaths in both Iraq and Afghanistan. However, the 2% death rate of Serbians is rather high for that period.

The Albanians will have to answer to those genocide crimes, deaths, ethnic cleansing and destruction, soon enough.

Serbia admits 9,260 Albanians killed!!!

This number surpasses the number of victims killed in Srebrenica (though 9,260 Albanians is by Serbian source, we know that the number is by far larger).

Another genocide admitted.

Do you still want to talk about Kosovo status?

O tempora, o mores!

The do not mention how many of the Albanians were soldiers. The KLA lost thousands of soldiers.

Plus this covers and almost 3 years period. So they are counting way beyond the NATO bombing.

They also aren't mentioning how many Albanians were killed by NATO bombs and the KLA.

It's known that some of the KLA's main targets were Albanians who didn't cooperate or whom they were suspicious of.

Obviously they are counting Roma with Albanian names as Albanians.

The Roma had thousands killed and kidnapped by the KLA, yet they complained that their names were put on Albanian lists.

The Albanians are obviously counting the Roma as Albanians since they use Albanian language/Muslim names.

God job Serbs!
Can you now stop saying that only 2000 people were killed by Serbian troops?

I am sure now that Peggy & Co are going to say that all the victims were created by NATO bombs.

Although I must say that those bombs must have been very very selective "9,260 Albanians, 2,488 Serbs, 470 of other ethnicities"

I don't know how after this report the Serbian G. will have the moral to go in front of ICJ panel and ask for a decision.

Or let's just forget,, the above is all a lie - or is it??

oh wow.

now our dear friends are happy-clapping again...

I wonder nobody asks what this ominous HLC is? ever heard about it? who is paying for it?
how comes they have so exact numbers when the united nations couldn´t provide such exact data?

and why is someone working on this at all, when the UN came to the conclusion that there were all in all some 3000 victims, all parties included.

who could have an interest to "present" higher numbers right now after the serbian success at the general assembly of the UN...?

I think there is not much to be happy about, my dear friends. it´s merely worth your lines...

I´d say this is just another one of these "brilliant" journalistic moves of B92...

worthless.

Sure Joe and Ida whatever makes you sleep better. Just I don't know what the number of victims is going to be after the missing are included??? Is still somebody out there entertaining the idea of 2000 dead? May all of them rest in peace.

Thank you, HLC, thank you natasa kandic! your work and support has been invaluable and we will never forget you.

but let me please just make this point: it is not our job to convince the nationalists about how many people were killed, of which nationalities, etc. they already have their agenda, and no amount of facts will sway them. believe me, on this point, i know of what i speak.

as for the ICJ, natasa's findings will be presented, along with many other documents and files. they will never find in serbia's favor, believe me. i was never worried about that to begin with. and as i have written, taking these matters to a public forum is a good thing, a prime opportunity. and when opportunity knocks...

it isn't the case itself, but how their regime is using it, trying to still or silence frnds of kosovo/a, frnds of independence. so far, not very successful.

but it will slow down any progress in the area, and it may help blgd gain manuever room in their plans for partition, as well as stiring up trouble with RS (yes, i warned about that!)

so we shall see. as they say, we live in interesting times, which is not always such a good thing...

roberto

You can expect the Serbs and Serbia to accept guilt over anything that happened in the balkans or in Serbia itself when hell freezes over. Until then the Serbs will always regard themselves as the greatest people of the balkans, who were done great injustices by the world superpowers because they were jealous of Serbia's greatness. The rest of the other balkans nations to a lot of Serbs out there are just a bunch of subhumans (in this category fall especially the Albanians,Croats, and Bosniacs). These subhumans will be crushed and with the help of Rusia pay back as soon as America falls, and NATO ceases to exist. This is the ideology of Artemje, Kostunica, the Radicals, the Socialists and Tadic and Jeremic (although the last two do a great job at hiding it). Looking at the last elections, that is the majority of Serbs. That is what killed all these people, but leave it to a Serb and he/she will come up with millions of excuses but in no way Serbi is, was or ever will be at fault.

To the Serb panel on B92

Here it is in black & white:

"The Center dismisses media reports that it has so far registered 12,000 Serb victims, adding that the victims include 9,260 Albanians, 2,488 Serbs, 470 of other ethnicities, and 1,254 unidentified victims."

Are you going to say that all the Albanian victims are fiction?

(Before you jump; I am not disregarding the Serbian & other victims but just the numbers)

No need to comment any further.

The do not mention how many of the Albanians were soldiers. The KLA lost thousands of soldiers.

Plus this covers and almost 3 years period. So they are counting way beyond the NATO bombing.

They also aren't mentioning how many Albanians were killed by NATO bombs and the KLA.

It's known that some of the KLA's main targets were Albanians who didn't cooperate or whom they were suspicious of.

You can't count KLA war dead as civilians.

just a little math:

according to albanians and some western media, there are 2 million albanians in kosovo.

by the same sources, 250,000 serbs, including the displaced.

this is roughly 10 - to - 1.

the numbers killed presented above are about 4 - to - 1. this means that more serbs were killed, in proportion to the population, than albanians.

let's also not forget about the albanians killed by their own people and nato bombs.

the truth now becomes more lucid, doesn't it?

What happend to the 150,000 Albanians killed by Serbians that the USA used to justifey their NATO war against Serbia, my-oh-my this number gets smaller as every year passes, last year it was 15,000 and the year before 25,000, this year we are at less than 10,000.

How many of these victims were killed in combat action, or during the commission of a Terrorist act?

Finally I would like to add that one innocent life lost is too many, much less 100's or 1,000 if indeed that is the case, my point being in this post is that the world was lied to about the amount killed just to justify an illegal war against Serbia.

Today, as I write this there will be approximately over 1,000 people murdered somewhere in the African content due to true ethnic cleansing, and yet the US, UN and EU do nothing about it.

A note to the Albanians: The EU and US are not your friends, they just have an interest in the land you live on. Ask yourselves what makes you any better than the average innocent Africans being murdered as I write this post, NOTHING, its all about the land and where Governments interest are, never forget their interest is not in you as a people or the hardships and even crimes committed against you but instead the land that you live on.

Let me get this straight, the Serbian response to the HLC report is that ethnic Albanians killed themselves? These people have no shame. To those who don't know or pretend not to, Serbia is the only state in post-WWII Europe to have been found guilty of not preventing genocide. This decision was given on the accusation by Bosnia-Herzegovina at the International Court of Justice in The Hague. Serbs are now saying that they will only use peaceful means to resolve the status of Kosova, but of course, it makes sense now your "glorious" army is not facing elderly women and children.

The truth becomes more lucid??? I assume you came to that conclusion because "only" four Albanians were slaughtered for every one Serb? That is the most absurd thing I have ever heard!!!

Joe
FYI there were at least 40000 Serbian troops in Kosovo during time, death rate usually is higher on the military personnel.
KLA never fought Kosovo Serbs it fought Serbian military and paramilitary forces in Kosovo, note the fact that those 2500 Serb victims are mostly from Serbia. So according to your math

Serbia has around 8 mil people + (you said 250000 Serbs from Kosovo) that is 8250000

Kosovo has 2 mil

This is roughly 4 to 1
Death rate is 16 Albanians to 1 Serb, and this means that there are "way more" Albanians killed that Serbs.

First of all I would like to express my deepest condolence to the all families of killed civilians. War should be a fight between armies not against civilians. Therefore, I see those figures very suspiciosly, considering the fact that some 686 Serbian policemans and soldiers were killed from the total number of 2400 killed Serbians (or 35% of killed persons were members of armed forces), while only 450 UÇK soldiers were killed from the total number of 9200 killed Albanians (only 5% of killed were members of armed forces). This comparising tells us real face of this dirty war: Extermination of civilian Albanian population and destroying of their property (more than 120.000 burned houses, including mine as well).
Regards and hope this will never happen again to anyone.

"The Center states that all the victims were living in Kosovo between January 1998 and December 2000"

Dear Albanians, your excitement over this news
is misplaced. I would like to remind everyone that the Serbia Army completely withdrew from Kosovo at the end of the war in June 1999; yet the above article cleary states that they are finding victims who died as late as December 2000, a full 1 year and six months after Nato the Serbs left.

So exactly who was killing all of these Albanians and others during the 1-1/2 period after Serbia left, and Nato took control? The answer to this question is certainly not Serbia. This article in fact proves that Albanian Terrorists (IE the KLA) continued killing serbs, roma, moderate albanians, and others a full year and half after the Kosovo war had ended, while NATO did nothing to stop the slaughter. For Shame!

joe your jugdment is really flawed.. Because there is more albanians it is ok to kill more??? My heart and prayers with the families on both sides. I hope that Kosova will be truly the land of all

Their death has not fallen in vein. Full independence, long live the Republic of Kosovo.

Just look at serb comments. Even murdered Albanians need to be assaulted again. Yeas dear Jovans&ZKUKS etc. You got it: Albanian killed Albanians, their families and themselves just to blame Serbs. It's the dastardly nature of Albanians only you can see, because the others are blind, right? You also know better, than NATO killed Albaians and all pictures showing celebrating Kosovos liberation were manipulated by CNN.
Congratulations for your clear-sightedness.

I must praise the comment made by Nikola Knjezevic. I really thank you for your time and the comment. There should be more people like you in the region, but since you live in Germany, this tells me that you are not a person who would be welcomed in Belgrade! Telling the truth is the most appreciated thing in life, and you did it, so I thank you again and I can't add anything more cz you said it all.

Stop the maths and stuff guys, these numbers are DEAD people (be them Albanians, Serbs, Roma...).

RIP to the dead people!

Greets from Prishtina!

I cannot believe what I'm reading

"the numbers killed presented above are about 4 - to - 1. this means that more serbs were killed, in proportion to the population, than albanians."

So you can argue if the Albanians were the aggressors and running ethnic cleansing campaigns, Serbs should have been wiped out completely since Albanians are overwhelming majority.

Get real
Serbian illusions are funny. I wonder how many decades it's going to take for you people to wake up.

Peter Sudyka, how can you have "isolated massacres without seeing the many cities and villages destroyed by the same method of operation (MO) the Serbs demonstrated? If I were to go on a multi- state arson spree, here in the U.S., would you consider the level of flames in the multiple sites to be unrelated because of the enormity of the fires? The Serbs nationalist' "matches" are all the same in igniting the fires that permanently destroyed Tito's dream of brotherhood and unity.

“The do not mention how many of the Albanians were soldiers. The KLA lost thousands of soldiers.

Plus this covers and almost 3 years period. So they are counting way beyond the NATO bombing.

They also aren't mentioning how many Albanians were killed by NATO bombs and the KLA.

It's known that some of the KLA's main targets were Albanians who didn't cooperate or whom they were suspicious of.”

Ida, I have got to admire the way you try to elucidate the information from this article, but you cannot alter the fact that this article was written by The Humanitarian Law Center in Belgrade.

From what I can understand for you is not important how many people have died – but how they have died!!


Or, are you trying to say that The Humanitarian Law Center in Belgrade are lying??

As Joe has pointed out these figures amount to roughly 1.5% of Serbs in Kosovo being killed during the conflict compared to 0.4% of Albanians. Sort of brings the whole 'genocide' argument in perspective.

So no UCK terrorists are among these albans?

Can anyone tell me how many albans were killed by uck terrorists?

Also, can someone tell me how many albans were killed by nato (liberators) bombs?

I can only repeat what Ida and Joe have stated.
They haven't finished processing the dead.

How many of the Albanian victims were soldiers and yes, how many were killed by NATO?
How many were killed by KLA themselves?

Repeating again, 90% Albanian population to 10% Serbian is represented in these figures and some more.

When you take all this into account these type of figures were to be expected.

But a very good question still remains. How many were civilians?

When they get ALL the facts out I will be more interested to know.

Peggy & Co. signing off.

PRN

You can't compare Srebrenica to Kosovo. The 9 260 Albanians were killed over the course of the entire war, some of them in combat situations, some in massacres, some by the KLA, there were several reasons. Srebrenica was the planned, systematic extermination of the Bosnian male population of the city. There is a big difference between the two.

There was no genocide in the Kosovo war (ethnic cleansing, yes, isolated massacres, yes, genocide, no), don't throw that word around, it's a really harsh accusation.

And meanwhile, another Srebrenica grave is discovered. Slowly but steadly, the truth about what happened in the dissolution of Yugoslavia is being unearthed.

I don't believe what kind of comments I am reading in here.
Don't you guys get it, these people are dead!!! Instead of saying something like, this is a tragedy or RIP for them, you keep arguing who did what. Whoever did it, killing is wrong, no matter what.
I am pretty sure that some of those dead people did something bad but should we just let them to rest in peace ?
And I would like to say to some people in here something. Just wanted to say that in Kosovo there were so many innocent Albanian civilians killed.
One dead person is a lot and we are talking more that 10 thousand people here!

It sure is incredible how two sides can both spin the same information in completely diferrent directions.

Chill out. People died. Show some respect.

Stop the blame game and look inside yourself for a way to make things better from now on.

People can be such idiots sometimes.

If these reports can be confirmed I would like to be the first poster to say that I am deeply saddened by the deaths of 13000 people.

This can not be condoned or justified as innocents should never pay the price for the political ambitions of a few.

With respect to the victims I say that we should all advocate the end of war rhetoric and further distance ourselves from the path of racist humiliations and atrocities.

A few days ago there were reports of a Gorani school being levelled and people on this website found justifications and pointed fingers- now when the deaths of 13000 people are reported dead there are again further justifications and finger pointing. No one is convinced by, or benefits from, finger pointing but it is the main activity of this site and I should admit that I have done it too.

I think it is about time that we all feel a little remorse and move our discussions away from 'ethnics' when what we should be talking about is 'ethics'

hi r10,

so you are saying that kosovo is serbia? you can't have it both ways.

maybe the 80's should be counted in these figures as well.

and, if serbia had a systematic program to kill albanians, why did so many of them run into central serbia when nato bombs started falling?

No one has mentioned that the Humanitarian Law Center is a George Soros funded outfit that has been used to disseminate NATO propaganda and demonize Serbs for years. They fabricated the now widely debunked story of the "freezer trucks" back in 1999. Natasa Kandic openly sided with NATO during the bombing. She chided other journalists for protesting NATO's attack on journalists. Kandic's testimony has used to railroad Serbs at the Hague. Always used as a so-called "anonymous human rights activist".

Here's an example.

The New York Times of January 26, 2004 published a report commenting on the resignation of USA Today correspondent Jack Kelley over an article he had written in 1999.

The Times report commented:

"In his July 1999 article, Mr. Kelley referred to a three-ring notebook with a black vinyl cover that contained a direct order "typed on army stationery and stamped by the Supreme Defense Council of the Yugoslav Army Headquarters in Belgrade, which is headed by Milosevic." The order, which Mr. Kelley said was typed in Cyrillic letters and intended for a lieutenant, read: "The aim of the military activity should be to cleanse Cusk and the surrounding villages and terrain."
And further:

"In the article, Mr. Kelley wrote about a Yugoslav Army notebook that had a typed order to "cleanse" a Kosovo village, although he did not identify the person who showed him the notebook. He added that United Nations investigators considered this "the strongest and most direct evidence linking the government of Yugoslav President Slobodan Milosevic to 'ethnic cleansing' in Kosovo."

Announcing Kelley’s resignation, the USA Today issue of 13th January 2004 stated that they had concluded a seven-month investigation into "whether Kelley might have embellished or fabricated stories."

According to the New York Times Kelley had claimed as his source for the story, "A human rights advocate" and confirmed that source as "The rights advocate, Natasa Kandic, the executive director of the Humanitarian Law Center in Belgrade"

As an outsider who has a love of the region, I feel sad that almost all postings are simple squabbling over numbers – each one designed to further their own sectarian goal. A plague on both your houses! People from all sides should be expressing shame and disgust that this situation was ever allowed to happen. People from both sides should be expressing sorrow that even a single civilian was killed. Can’t you see that the petty, cruel bickering gives the impression that people cannot move on and build a peaceful and prosperous future? You let the world know yourself when you write these comments. I feel fortunate to know that most people of the region are willing to engage in this endeavour.

Peggy, ZK UK, L*O*G*I*C and others, please spend a moment to reflect; ask yourself if you are helping your community to find peace – or are you really preserving hatred?

the comments on this page are simply a result of the politics of victimisation. there is no respect for victims. they are simply a tool used for political goals. and since they are used for political gains of one side to the detriment of the other there will be little or no willingness to accept the responsibility on either.

I am a Serb living in Germany and I am quite frankly sickened by the large amounts of trash that some of you use to bicker. One, three, five or over thirteen thousand! Each one of these people is dead because of the collective stupidity of a couple of nations in which false nationalism is blazing like a forest fire, which is being fanned from the so-called super powers.

Instead of Serbs and Albanians arguing over this report, both should praise the Serbian honesty in presenting its torrid past to the world. I do not think that we will see this sort of report come from the USA when it is asked how many innocent Iraqi’s it slaughtered since the invasion. The same goes for you too my dear Albanian friends. I have seen no reports of admission from you or your leaders, KLA or not! Yes, we Serbs are guilty of some of the most horrendous atrocities committed in the closing years of the 20th century but put your hands on your hearts, if you have one that is, and ask yourselves, were we, the Serbs, the only national group in the Balkans who were responsible for such atrocities and when you have done this then close your eyes and picture the face of just ONE of these victims. It is not important if they were Serb, Albanian or any other nationality. Then come back to me and continue your pathetic arguments about math and numbers and percentages. Maybe then you will thank God, Allah or Bog that none of those victims were YOU!