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Tuesday, 22.07.2008.

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Karadžić "practiced alternative medicine"

Radovan Karadžić lived in Belgrade with an assumed identity, and practiced alternative medicine, said Rasim Ljajić.

Izvor: B92

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Matthew

pre 15 godina

“What is more offensive: 100,000 proven dead or say half a million without proof?
I thank God not all think like you.
(it pays 2b smart, 22 July 2008 19:02)”

Dear Smart,

I was publically called a traitor by my own people for appearing on television with a Bosniak humanitarian group in the Republic of Srpska. I am regularly accused of being Albanian here on B92 for supporting a peaceful partition of Kosovo as a solution to that issue.

I apologized for Srebrenica and reached out to the Bosniak people in person to foster reconciliation, but that’s not good enough for you is it? All Serbs are evil to you. You can’t even see the difference between a “liberal” and a “nationalist”.

Just because I stand up for the TRUTH and for calling it as I see it.

Yes, exaggerating the number of dead by 400,000 is racist and extremely offensive to all Serbs. The complete demonizing of all Serbians has got to stop. I’m somehow a bad person for wanting the truth to be told?

How do you expect for true reconciliation to occur if such wild accusations continue to be made on a constant basis?

You want to lay the blame for all the deaths at the feet of Karadzic. While I don’t not like Karadzic in the least, he is not responsible for everything. Tudjman and the Croatians attacked the Bosniaks as well, and just as brutally, not to mention Tudjman’s Ustashe psychological warfare designed to whip the Serbian people into an uncontrollable frenzy. I’ve seen Mostar with my own eyes and I know what fate befell its population. That city was utterly destroyed.


As a Serbian-American, what do you think I feel more shame for? What happened in Bosnia or what is happening in Iraq?

Up to a million innocent civilians dead and climbing, and you’re pissed off about a war that ended over a decade ago?

According to your philosophy and logic, a murderer and a serial killer are equally evil.

In my world view, what Hitler did to the Jews was far more evil than what the US did in Vietnam.

According to your logic we should not judge the different shades of evil and merely treat them all as equal.

Yet, I don’t see you expressing the same outrage for the innocent Serbian people who died in Bosnia. If one life is as precious to you as 100,000 or a million, you would judge all sides in the Bosnian war equally.

Michael hit the nail on the head, Bosnia only captured the West’s attention because the West is racist, and that was exactly my point.

In my humble opinion the World is a very dark place filled with Evil Men who rape, kill and plunder. Yet no one cares. I care just as much for the African that dies, as for the Iraqi, or Bosniak or Serb.

I also want for reconciliation to take place, and in order for that to happen, we Serbs must acknowledge that some crimes were committed in the name of our people, and that those who committed them tarnished the good image of the Serbian people for at least a generation. However, in order for that reconciliation to occur, we must put the crimes into perspective, we must not exaggerate or demonize an entire population.

Much of the distrust of the Serbian people towards the West was a direct result of these lies, propaganda and the blatant manipulation of the media and popular opinion.

maki

pre 15 godina

Richard Holbrooke summed it up so well: "Of the three most evil men of the Balkans, Milosevic, Karadzic and Mladic, I thought Karadzic was the worst. The reason was that Karadzic was a real racist believer. Karadzic really enjoyed ordering the killing of Muslims, whereeas Milosevic was an opportunist".


I wonder why Holbrooke is suddenly making such statements?! What is bothering him?
Milosevic was not a racist, Karadzic was a true racist, what a stupid way of twisting things!

Afrim Hoxha

pre 15 godina

Is this how the "brave" serbians hide themselves by changing identity?
The serb government seems to be very serious into moving towards Europe and reality. I congratulate the will of Tadic for being firm against people like Karadzic.
finally more justice has been achieved by arresting one of the most wanted criminals in Europe

cizinec

pre 15 godina

Aside from politics and that whole genocide thing, that is one impressive beard.

To be completely honest, I couldn't tell it was the same guy even with the photos next to each other.

Joe

pre 15 godina

Well this news made the first page of the New York Times and the whole page 10.
Richard Holbrooke summed it up so well: "Of the three most evil men of the Balkans, Milosevic, Karadzic and Mladic, I thought Karadzic was the worst. The reason was that Karadzic was a real racist believer. Karadzic really enjoyed ordering the killing of Muslims, whereeas Milosevic was an opportunist".
Reading the international media today I fully agree that he was a real racist. Only those types can commit such horrible crimes.

Ako

pre 15 godina

michael
"There shall never be true reconciliation between these two societies...the struggle continues."

I disagree. These two societies lived happily together for almost 50 years in Yugoslavia and shall live together in Bosnia and EU many, many years to come.

It is a well known fact that the Serbian nationalism and arrogance destroyed Yugoslavia which Bosnians had loved so much!

michael

pre 15 godina

(it pays 2b smart.)

Once again, attempting to formulate some interpretation of the past so that it fits into your political agenda...it pays NOT to be ignorant!

Ultimately, the tragedy began with the disintegration of Yugoslavia and by who? Who destroyed a multiethnic society which was one of the founding members of the UN, OSCE, Council of Europe and other international organizations? It's was started by Slovenians, then Croats, followed by Bosnian Muslims, and finally a terrorist organization named the KLA. Matthew is absolutely right, based on those tragic conflicts where MASS extermination occurred, Rwanda didn't receive an ounce of political and media coverage as compared to Bosnia. Why? Because the west is founded on RACISM, and the Bosnia war depicted crying blond hair blue eyed society fitting within that agenda. Machete wielding blacks killing another tribe in the African jungle simply doesn't work and certainly doesn't sell the magazines, newspapers, and 30 second TV slots associated with top dollar prices. The countless lies of 200,000 killed Muslims sprinkled with charges of rape camps echoed within the halls of CNN daily, with an end result of NATO involvement and occupation of Serbian lands, both in Bosnia and Kosovo. This cannot last forever, and undoubtedly, NATO will collapse along with the deranged bureaucrat club named the EU.

Karadzic's arrest is ultimately counter productive. It will further alienate a Serbian population overcharged and demonized by a western society which has no leg to stand upon and judge others. With cheering Muslims on the streets of Sarajevo thanking SERBS for arresting Radovan, they also cheer for the release of Oric and others who murdered countless Serbian mothers and children during that same period. Hypocrites to the end!

There shall never be true reconciliation between these two societies...the struggle continues.

roberto

pre 15 godina

well, gang, i am still very high from karadzic's capture, but i have to say, it doesn't make me all giddy as in wanting to reach my hands out to the other side. but i am
trying to manage my anger and bitterness :))

one thing we're all forgetting: which "disguise" has mladic chosen?? hair-dresser? rabbi?? bridge-monitor? since no "competent" authorities (in serbia, at least)have any idea where he is, maybe we should print up posters, to remind people of how he looked, and how he might look today, kind of like the artist sketches of missing children, or criminals that are WANTED!

let's start a contest, with guesses about: hair style, costume, and current mannerisms... perhaps he, too, is giving seminars... we can turn genocide into something "fun"...

Doni

pre 15 godina

everyone working with him, knew he was a war criminal, and now they find right time to tell about him, and get the money. this government pays, while radicals gov would have boasted just the moral.

who spied him? and how much he got paid? and why he waited for the pro eu gov

Branislav

pre 15 godina

To clarify matters regarding course of events in Bosnia - an how the war started - it is helpful to read about Lisbon agreement and and what was Izetbegovich's and US role in thar respect.
http://www.b92.net/eng/news/your_comment.php?nav_id=52109

TruthHearts

pre 15 godina

Karadzic’s arrest is the best European makeup new Serbian government can do. This is farce that although Europe apposes it, it cannot buy it. It was done on the next day of the successful visit to US of leaders of the new country Kosovo, each Serbia is trying too hard to fight against.
NATO, EU and all international community call on Serbia to arrest Mladic too. I know when this is going to happen. It is going to happen when Serbia has the last, a very last hope to “keep Kosovo out” from wide range of recognition and international institution membership. And if they will decide that arresting Mladic is not worth to try for this reason (so if they understood there is no hope for Kosovo) then Serbia will arrest Mladic right when it is the time for getting the EU candidate status. Then Mladic is more worth it “arrested” then “practicing …whatever….” in Beograd.

Petrovaradin

pre 15 godina

What a great day for our country! We finally arrested a man who more than anyone but perhaps Mladic has stained our good name. And it is hardly just a coincidence that it happened just days after Kostunica was ousted from power. For placing two unworthy men's freedom ahead of the interests of his country, Kostunica has a lot to answer for. I expect it is only a matter of time before we can also remove Mladic's monkey off our backs.

chris

pre 15 godina

It´s a great day for serbia, it`s a great day for Europe. This step taken by serbian police is just the beginning of europe´s and serbian´s credibility. It´s a difficult path, taken late but too late. In deep respect - Congratulations from Austria.

it pays 2b smart

pre 15 godina

Mathew wrote:
"About 100,000 died, and nearly 1/3 of the causalities were Serbian, mirroring the population. Compared to Iraq or Rwanda or any number of brutal civil wars it was mild."

100,000 or half a mil. is no different to a human being, for even one sole is too much when killed. Srebrenica was a disgrace and for that I’m truly sorry. However, “almost a half million” is offensive to say the least. Maybe you ought to remember what really happened."

You are sorry for Srebrenica and you find it offensive to use the numbers and further your opinion is that the war in Bosnia was MILD. How many should have died? Or how about restart the war to make the number of victims sufficient. Or better yet let's reinstate Karadzic so he can finish his work in Bosnia. What is more offensive: 100,000 proven dead or say half a million without proof?
I thank God not all think like you.

Bad Gorilla

pre 15 godina

(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image%3ARadovan_Karadzic_2008.jpg) = (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image%3ASaddamcapture.jpg)

Marios

pre 15 godina

Just admit that he made a fool of everybody, another chapter from the past is closing for Serbia and the nation is moving closer to the European Union.
I trust this story will soon become a movie too.

BURIM REGJAJ

pre 15 godina

Can anyone draw any differences between Saddam and Karadza? Looks, deeds, life and its end.
It is a glorious day for international community, Balkans particularly. A shameful day for Serbia, some commentators in this site particularly. To defend what Karadza has done is beyond reason. A true hero (some Serbs should remember Nemanja after loosing the battle and surrendering himself to enemy on condition not to touch his people) does not hide, deceive, nor transforms into Santa Clause.

Matthew

pre 15 godina

“He certainly got his enthincaly cleanse RS. (John, 22 July 2008 16:59)”

Why does RS have a 12% minority population and the Federation only has a 2% minority population?

Who cleansed whom?

Matthew

pre 15 godina

“Western countries should remember what has really happened out there in Bosnia. Remember the Dutch soldiers remember the fact that it took almost half a million casualities…”

Emim,

Srebrenica was a disgrace and for that I’m truly sorry. However, “almost a half million” is offensive to say the least. Maybe you ought to remember what really happened.

About 100,000 died, and nearly 1/3 of the causalities were Serbian, mirroring the population. Compared to Iraq or Rwanda or any number of brutal civil wars it was mild. But I guess only European lives count, not African or Middle Eastern.

You are right, the international community has some explaining to do. Why keep Bosnia “multi-ethnic” but destroy Yugoslavia?

Uran

pre 15 godina

Not sure how drastically individual’s facial features change over time (yes we do get old and our skin wrinkles), but someone should have recognized this idiot. Watched AC 360 last night and the correspondent from Balkan’s was right: “…the international community did not pay much attention to Karadžić.” They found Saddam Hussein inside a hole, but they can’t find Karadžić in Belgrade? Belgrade populates 2 million peoples. I’m no a genius, but someone that famous and recognized by almost everyone in ex-Yugoslavia should have been pointed out earlier. How can you miss him? Did you see the beard? Did you hear, Mladic is waiting tables in Hotel President? Javier Solana ordered mineral water twice from Mladic. Come on people!

peter, sydney

pre 15 godina

Interesting picture - talk about hiding 'in plain sight'. Suspect he'll be feeling a certain amount of relief now that he no longer has to 'look over his shoulder'. Anyway, that chapter is now closed, & a new one opens.

While 'the hague' has shown itself to be anything but impartial, it is still a forum.. & I suspect you have much to tell...


Luigi:
> Does he practiced alternative medecine with young muslims ?

Curious that of all the many posts I have read concerning Karadzic, yours is the only one that has brought up this topic. Of interest?


Cagri:
Certainly gets them on the train.


Emin Kahveci:
> This capture does not mean anything to me. etc.

You appear to be in the minority judging by the amount of media coverage it's getting all over the world. That 'euphoria' coupled with Tadic's pro-EU stance should go a long way to 'melting the ice' between Belgrade & 'the west'.

Warms the cockles of your heart - doesn't it?


bganon:
> Voodoo dolls of US and EU politicians anybody?
Suspect they would've sold out long before this.


Obilic:
> Karadzic only protected his people and for this he was punished! Shame, shame!!!!
True enough. It's called victor's justice - as atrocities are committed by all sides in any war, as was the case here.

Mike

pre 15 godina

Are you kidding me with this picture? I mean my God, the man could have passed me or anyone else on the street and we wouldn't have thought twice about it.

This is defnitely going to be a major development over the coming weeks and months. I'd really like to see how he evaded capture for over 13 years and how the West, particularly the US (that's you Mr. Holbrook) aided in his disappearance.

More plot twists than a Mexican Soap Opera....

John

pre 15 godina

He certainly got his enthincaly cleanse RS. I fail to see how his arrest will bring any closure to the thousands of innocent victims caused by his desire to create an enthnicaly Serbian entity.

Peter - For heavens sake keep your comments to yourself. Karadzic did not understand the language of peace and no sane indvidual could reason with him. Your comment just adds more pain to the misery.

Obilic

pre 15 godina

Its a sad day in Serbian history and i compare this arrest to the one of Draza Mihailovic. Tadic and Co. should be ashamed.

Karadzic only protected his people and for this he was punished! Shame, shame!!!!

Peter Sudyka

pre 15 godina

Emin Kahveci

You think other countries had nothing better to do than to throw in young boys to die in a conflict in the Balkans, which they probably did not care about at all?

Rather than resorting to war, genocide, ethnic cleansing and all those things, they should have sat down and tried to negotiate, like they seem to be advocating so much now.

Hilal Bal

pre 15 godina

im glad. but i dont think that, it isnt a trick. i called it as a trick. because he was living his own country with a fake identity, and nobody for god's sake realize it? i think they have a secret plan, for him, for serbia, for bosnia...
i hope he'll pay for every decision, every behaviour he made

Emin Kahveci

pre 15 godina

This capture does not mean anything to me. Yes, i am glad. But i am not satisfied at all. Western countries should remember what has really happened out there in Bosnia. Remember the Dutch soldiers remember the fact that it took almost half a million casualities for so called "civilized" countries to put their indifference a side and really take some actions. Shame on you!

Matthew

pre 15 godina

“He certainly got his enthincaly cleanse RS. (John, 22 July 2008 16:59)”

Why does RS have a 12% minority population and the Federation only has a 2% minority population?

Who cleansed whom?

BURIM REGJAJ

pre 15 godina

Can anyone draw any differences between Saddam and Karadza? Looks, deeds, life and its end.
It is a glorious day for international community, Balkans particularly. A shameful day for Serbia, some commentators in this site particularly. To defend what Karadza has done is beyond reason. A true hero (some Serbs should remember Nemanja after loosing the battle and surrendering himself to enemy on condition not to touch his people) does not hide, deceive, nor transforms into Santa Clause.

Obilic

pre 15 godina

Its a sad day in Serbian history and i compare this arrest to the one of Draza Mihailovic. Tadic and Co. should be ashamed.

Karadzic only protected his people and for this he was punished! Shame, shame!!!!

Matthew

pre 15 godina

“Western countries should remember what has really happened out there in Bosnia. Remember the Dutch soldiers remember the fact that it took almost half a million casualities…”

Emim,

Srebrenica was a disgrace and for that I’m truly sorry. However, “almost a half million” is offensive to say the least. Maybe you ought to remember what really happened.

About 100,000 died, and nearly 1/3 of the causalities were Serbian, mirroring the population. Compared to Iraq or Rwanda or any number of brutal civil wars it was mild. But I guess only European lives count, not African or Middle Eastern.

You are right, the international community has some explaining to do. Why keep Bosnia “multi-ethnic” but destroy Yugoslavia?

michael

pre 15 godina

(it pays 2b smart.)

Once again, attempting to formulate some interpretation of the past so that it fits into your political agenda...it pays NOT to be ignorant!

Ultimately, the tragedy began with the disintegration of Yugoslavia and by who? Who destroyed a multiethnic society which was one of the founding members of the UN, OSCE, Council of Europe and other international organizations? It's was started by Slovenians, then Croats, followed by Bosnian Muslims, and finally a terrorist organization named the KLA. Matthew is absolutely right, based on those tragic conflicts where MASS extermination occurred, Rwanda didn't receive an ounce of political and media coverage as compared to Bosnia. Why? Because the west is founded on RACISM, and the Bosnia war depicted crying blond hair blue eyed society fitting within that agenda. Machete wielding blacks killing another tribe in the African jungle simply doesn't work and certainly doesn't sell the magazines, newspapers, and 30 second TV slots associated with top dollar prices. The countless lies of 200,000 killed Muslims sprinkled with charges of rape camps echoed within the halls of CNN daily, with an end result of NATO involvement and occupation of Serbian lands, both in Bosnia and Kosovo. This cannot last forever, and undoubtedly, NATO will collapse along with the deranged bureaucrat club named the EU.

Karadzic's arrest is ultimately counter productive. It will further alienate a Serbian population overcharged and demonized by a western society which has no leg to stand upon and judge others. With cheering Muslims on the streets of Sarajevo thanking SERBS for arresting Radovan, they also cheer for the release of Oric and others who murdered countless Serbian mothers and children during that same period. Hypocrites to the end!

There shall never be true reconciliation between these two societies...the struggle continues.

Emin Kahveci

pre 15 godina

This capture does not mean anything to me. Yes, i am glad. But i am not satisfied at all. Western countries should remember what has really happened out there in Bosnia. Remember the Dutch soldiers remember the fact that it took almost half a million casualities for so called "civilized" countries to put their indifference a side and really take some actions. Shame on you!

peter, sydney

pre 15 godina

Interesting picture - talk about hiding 'in plain sight'. Suspect he'll be feeling a certain amount of relief now that he no longer has to 'look over his shoulder'. Anyway, that chapter is now closed, & a new one opens.

While 'the hague' has shown itself to be anything but impartial, it is still a forum.. & I suspect you have much to tell...


Luigi:
> Does he practiced alternative medecine with young muslims ?

Curious that of all the many posts I have read concerning Karadzic, yours is the only one that has brought up this topic. Of interest?


Cagri:
Certainly gets them on the train.


Emin Kahveci:
> This capture does not mean anything to me. etc.

You appear to be in the minority judging by the amount of media coverage it's getting all over the world. That 'euphoria' coupled with Tadic's pro-EU stance should go a long way to 'melting the ice' between Belgrade & 'the west'.

Warms the cockles of your heart - doesn't it?


bganon:
> Voodoo dolls of US and EU politicians anybody?
Suspect they would've sold out long before this.


Obilic:
> Karadzic only protected his people and for this he was punished! Shame, shame!!!!
True enough. It's called victor's justice - as atrocities are committed by all sides in any war, as was the case here.

Mike

pre 15 godina

Are you kidding me with this picture? I mean my God, the man could have passed me or anyone else on the street and we wouldn't have thought twice about it.

This is defnitely going to be a major development over the coming weeks and months. I'd really like to see how he evaded capture for over 13 years and how the West, particularly the US (that's you Mr. Holbrook) aided in his disappearance.

More plot twists than a Mexican Soap Opera....

it pays 2b smart

pre 15 godina

Mathew wrote:
"About 100,000 died, and nearly 1/3 of the causalities were Serbian, mirroring the population. Compared to Iraq or Rwanda or any number of brutal civil wars it was mild."

100,000 or half a mil. is no different to a human being, for even one sole is too much when killed. Srebrenica was a disgrace and for that I’m truly sorry. However, “almost a half million” is offensive to say the least. Maybe you ought to remember what really happened."

You are sorry for Srebrenica and you find it offensive to use the numbers and further your opinion is that the war in Bosnia was MILD. How many should have died? Or how about restart the war to make the number of victims sufficient. Or better yet let's reinstate Karadzic so he can finish his work in Bosnia. What is more offensive: 100,000 proven dead or say half a million without proof?
I thank God not all think like you.

Petrovaradin

pre 15 godina

What a great day for our country! We finally arrested a man who more than anyone but perhaps Mladic has stained our good name. And it is hardly just a coincidence that it happened just days after Kostunica was ousted from power. For placing two unworthy men's freedom ahead of the interests of his country, Kostunica has a lot to answer for. I expect it is only a matter of time before we can also remove Mladic's monkey off our backs.

Uran

pre 15 godina

Not sure how drastically individual’s facial features change over time (yes we do get old and our skin wrinkles), but someone should have recognized this idiot. Watched AC 360 last night and the correspondent from Balkan’s was right: “…the international community did not pay much attention to Karadžić.” They found Saddam Hussein inside a hole, but they can’t find Karadžić in Belgrade? Belgrade populates 2 million peoples. I’m no a genius, but someone that famous and recognized by almost everyone in ex-Yugoslavia should have been pointed out earlier. How can you miss him? Did you see the beard? Did you hear, Mladic is waiting tables in Hotel President? Javier Solana ordered mineral water twice from Mladic. Come on people!

Marios

pre 15 godina

Just admit that he made a fool of everybody, another chapter from the past is closing for Serbia and the nation is moving closer to the European Union.
I trust this story will soon become a movie too.

chris

pre 15 godina

It´s a great day for serbia, it`s a great day for Europe. This step taken by serbian police is just the beginning of europe´s and serbian´s credibility. It´s a difficult path, taken late but too late. In deep respect - Congratulations from Austria.

Matthew

pre 15 godina

“What is more offensive: 100,000 proven dead or say half a million without proof?
I thank God not all think like you.
(it pays 2b smart, 22 July 2008 19:02)”

Dear Smart,

I was publically called a traitor by my own people for appearing on television with a Bosniak humanitarian group in the Republic of Srpska. I am regularly accused of being Albanian here on B92 for supporting a peaceful partition of Kosovo as a solution to that issue.

I apologized for Srebrenica and reached out to the Bosniak people in person to foster reconciliation, but that’s not good enough for you is it? All Serbs are evil to you. You can’t even see the difference between a “liberal” and a “nationalist”.

Just because I stand up for the TRUTH and for calling it as I see it.

Yes, exaggerating the number of dead by 400,000 is racist and extremely offensive to all Serbs. The complete demonizing of all Serbians has got to stop. I’m somehow a bad person for wanting the truth to be told?

How do you expect for true reconciliation to occur if such wild accusations continue to be made on a constant basis?

You want to lay the blame for all the deaths at the feet of Karadzic. While I don’t not like Karadzic in the least, he is not responsible for everything. Tudjman and the Croatians attacked the Bosniaks as well, and just as brutally, not to mention Tudjman’s Ustashe psychological warfare designed to whip the Serbian people into an uncontrollable frenzy. I’ve seen Mostar with my own eyes and I know what fate befell its population. That city was utterly destroyed.


As a Serbian-American, what do you think I feel more shame for? What happened in Bosnia or what is happening in Iraq?

Up to a million innocent civilians dead and climbing, and you’re pissed off about a war that ended over a decade ago?

According to your philosophy and logic, a murderer and a serial killer are equally evil.

In my world view, what Hitler did to the Jews was far more evil than what the US did in Vietnam.

According to your logic we should not judge the different shades of evil and merely treat them all as equal.

Yet, I don’t see you expressing the same outrage for the innocent Serbian people who died in Bosnia. If one life is as precious to you as 100,000 or a million, you would judge all sides in the Bosnian war equally.

Michael hit the nail on the head, Bosnia only captured the West’s attention because the West is racist, and that was exactly my point.

In my humble opinion the World is a very dark place filled with Evil Men who rape, kill and plunder. Yet no one cares. I care just as much for the African that dies, as for the Iraqi, or Bosniak or Serb.

I also want for reconciliation to take place, and in order for that to happen, we Serbs must acknowledge that some crimes were committed in the name of our people, and that those who committed them tarnished the good image of the Serbian people for at least a generation. However, in order for that reconciliation to occur, we must put the crimes into perspective, we must not exaggerate or demonize an entire population.

Much of the distrust of the Serbian people towards the West was a direct result of these lies, propaganda and the blatant manipulation of the media and popular opinion.

Peter Sudyka

pre 15 godina

Emin Kahveci

You think other countries had nothing better to do than to throw in young boys to die in a conflict in the Balkans, which they probably did not care about at all?

Rather than resorting to war, genocide, ethnic cleansing and all those things, they should have sat down and tried to negotiate, like they seem to be advocating so much now.

John

pre 15 godina

He certainly got his enthincaly cleanse RS. I fail to see how his arrest will bring any closure to the thousands of innocent victims caused by his desire to create an enthnicaly Serbian entity.

Peter - For heavens sake keep your comments to yourself. Karadzic did not understand the language of peace and no sane indvidual could reason with him. Your comment just adds more pain to the misery.

cizinec

pre 15 godina

Aside from politics and that whole genocide thing, that is one impressive beard.

To be completely honest, I couldn't tell it was the same guy even with the photos next to each other.

Branislav

pre 15 godina

To clarify matters regarding course of events in Bosnia - an how the war started - it is helpful to read about Lisbon agreement and and what was Izetbegovich's and US role in thar respect.
http://www.b92.net/eng/news/your_comment.php?nav_id=52109

Joe

pre 15 godina

Well this news made the first page of the New York Times and the whole page 10.
Richard Holbrooke summed it up so well: "Of the three most evil men of the Balkans, Milosevic, Karadzic and Mladic, I thought Karadzic was the worst. The reason was that Karadzic was a real racist believer. Karadzic really enjoyed ordering the killing of Muslims, whereeas Milosevic was an opportunist".
Reading the international media today I fully agree that he was a real racist. Only those types can commit such horrible crimes.

Bad Gorilla

pre 15 godina

(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image%3ARadovan_Karadzic_2008.jpg) = (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image%3ASaddamcapture.jpg)

Doni

pre 15 godina

everyone working with him, knew he was a war criminal, and now they find right time to tell about him, and get the money. this government pays, while radicals gov would have boasted just the moral.

who spied him? and how much he got paid? and why he waited for the pro eu gov

TruthHearts

pre 15 godina

Karadzic’s arrest is the best European makeup new Serbian government can do. This is farce that although Europe apposes it, it cannot buy it. It was done on the next day of the successful visit to US of leaders of the new country Kosovo, each Serbia is trying too hard to fight against.
NATO, EU and all international community call on Serbia to arrest Mladic too. I know when this is going to happen. It is going to happen when Serbia has the last, a very last hope to “keep Kosovo out” from wide range of recognition and international institution membership. And if they will decide that arresting Mladic is not worth to try for this reason (so if they understood there is no hope for Kosovo) then Serbia will arrest Mladic right when it is the time for getting the EU candidate status. Then Mladic is more worth it “arrested” then “practicing …whatever….” in Beograd.

roberto

pre 15 godina

well, gang, i am still very high from karadzic's capture, but i have to say, it doesn't make me all giddy as in wanting to reach my hands out to the other side. but i am
trying to manage my anger and bitterness :))

one thing we're all forgetting: which "disguise" has mladic chosen?? hair-dresser? rabbi?? bridge-monitor? since no "competent" authorities (in serbia, at least)have any idea where he is, maybe we should print up posters, to remind people of how he looked, and how he might look today, kind of like the artist sketches of missing children, or criminals that are WANTED!

let's start a contest, with guesses about: hair style, costume, and current mannerisms... perhaps he, too, is giving seminars... we can turn genocide into something "fun"...

maki

pre 15 godina

Richard Holbrooke summed it up so well: "Of the three most evil men of the Balkans, Milosevic, Karadzic and Mladic, I thought Karadzic was the worst. The reason was that Karadzic was a real racist believer. Karadzic really enjoyed ordering the killing of Muslims, whereeas Milosevic was an opportunist".


I wonder why Holbrooke is suddenly making such statements?! What is bothering him?
Milosevic was not a racist, Karadzic was a true racist, what a stupid way of twisting things!

Hilal Bal

pre 15 godina

im glad. but i dont think that, it isnt a trick. i called it as a trick. because he was living his own country with a fake identity, and nobody for god's sake realize it? i think they have a secret plan, for him, for serbia, for bosnia...
i hope he'll pay for every decision, every behaviour he made

Ako

pre 15 godina

michael
"There shall never be true reconciliation between these two societies...the struggle continues."

I disagree. These two societies lived happily together for almost 50 years in Yugoslavia and shall live together in Bosnia and EU many, many years to come.

It is a well known fact that the Serbian nationalism and arrogance destroyed Yugoslavia which Bosnians had loved so much!

Afrim Hoxha

pre 15 godina

Is this how the "brave" serbians hide themselves by changing identity?
The serb government seems to be very serious into moving towards Europe and reality. I congratulate the will of Tadic for being firm against people like Karadzic.
finally more justice has been achieved by arresting one of the most wanted criminals in Europe

Emin Kahveci

pre 15 godina

This capture does not mean anything to me. Yes, i am glad. But i am not satisfied at all. Western countries should remember what has really happened out there in Bosnia. Remember the Dutch soldiers remember the fact that it took almost half a million casualities for so called "civilized" countries to put their indifference a side and really take some actions. Shame on you!

Uran

pre 15 godina

Not sure how drastically individual’s facial features change over time (yes we do get old and our skin wrinkles), but someone should have recognized this idiot. Watched AC 360 last night and the correspondent from Balkan’s was right: “…the international community did not pay much attention to Karadžić.” They found Saddam Hussein inside a hole, but they can’t find Karadžić in Belgrade? Belgrade populates 2 million peoples. I’m no a genius, but someone that famous and recognized by almost everyone in ex-Yugoslavia should have been pointed out earlier. How can you miss him? Did you see the beard? Did you hear, Mladic is waiting tables in Hotel President? Javier Solana ordered mineral water twice from Mladic. Come on people!

John

pre 15 godina

He certainly got his enthincaly cleanse RS. I fail to see how his arrest will bring any closure to the thousands of innocent victims caused by his desire to create an enthnicaly Serbian entity.

Peter - For heavens sake keep your comments to yourself. Karadzic did not understand the language of peace and no sane indvidual could reason with him. Your comment just adds more pain to the misery.

it pays 2b smart

pre 15 godina

Mathew wrote:
"About 100,000 died, and nearly 1/3 of the causalities were Serbian, mirroring the population. Compared to Iraq or Rwanda or any number of brutal civil wars it was mild."

100,000 or half a mil. is no different to a human being, for even one sole is too much when killed. Srebrenica was a disgrace and for that I’m truly sorry. However, “almost a half million” is offensive to say the least. Maybe you ought to remember what really happened."

You are sorry for Srebrenica and you find it offensive to use the numbers and further your opinion is that the war in Bosnia was MILD. How many should have died? Or how about restart the war to make the number of victims sufficient. Or better yet let's reinstate Karadzic so he can finish his work in Bosnia. What is more offensive: 100,000 proven dead or say half a million without proof?
I thank God not all think like you.

Hilal Bal

pre 15 godina

im glad. but i dont think that, it isnt a trick. i called it as a trick. because he was living his own country with a fake identity, and nobody for god's sake realize it? i think they have a secret plan, for him, for serbia, for bosnia...
i hope he'll pay for every decision, every behaviour he made

BURIM REGJAJ

pre 15 godina

Can anyone draw any differences between Saddam and Karadza? Looks, deeds, life and its end.
It is a glorious day for international community, Balkans particularly. A shameful day for Serbia, some commentators in this site particularly. To defend what Karadza has done is beyond reason. A true hero (some Serbs should remember Nemanja after loosing the battle and surrendering himself to enemy on condition not to touch his people) does not hide, deceive, nor transforms into Santa Clause.

roberto

pre 15 godina

well, gang, i am still very high from karadzic's capture, but i have to say, it doesn't make me all giddy as in wanting to reach my hands out to the other side. but i am
trying to manage my anger and bitterness :))

one thing we're all forgetting: which "disguise" has mladic chosen?? hair-dresser? rabbi?? bridge-monitor? since no "competent" authorities (in serbia, at least)have any idea where he is, maybe we should print up posters, to remind people of how he looked, and how he might look today, kind of like the artist sketches of missing children, or criminals that are WANTED!

let's start a contest, with guesses about: hair style, costume, and current mannerisms... perhaps he, too, is giving seminars... we can turn genocide into something "fun"...

Peter Sudyka

pre 15 godina

Emin Kahveci

You think other countries had nothing better to do than to throw in young boys to die in a conflict in the Balkans, which they probably did not care about at all?

Rather than resorting to war, genocide, ethnic cleansing and all those things, they should have sat down and tried to negotiate, like they seem to be advocating so much now.

Marios

pre 15 godina

Just admit that he made a fool of everybody, another chapter from the past is closing for Serbia and the nation is moving closer to the European Union.
I trust this story will soon become a movie too.

Petrovaradin

pre 15 godina

What a great day for our country! We finally arrested a man who more than anyone but perhaps Mladic has stained our good name. And it is hardly just a coincidence that it happened just days after Kostunica was ousted from power. For placing two unworthy men's freedom ahead of the interests of his country, Kostunica has a lot to answer for. I expect it is only a matter of time before we can also remove Mladic's monkey off our backs.

Doni

pre 15 godina

everyone working with him, knew he was a war criminal, and now they find right time to tell about him, and get the money. this government pays, while radicals gov would have boasted just the moral.

who spied him? and how much he got paid? and why he waited for the pro eu gov

TruthHearts

pre 15 godina

Karadzic’s arrest is the best European makeup new Serbian government can do. This is farce that although Europe apposes it, it cannot buy it. It was done on the next day of the successful visit to US of leaders of the new country Kosovo, each Serbia is trying too hard to fight against.
NATO, EU and all international community call on Serbia to arrest Mladic too. I know when this is going to happen. It is going to happen when Serbia has the last, a very last hope to “keep Kosovo out” from wide range of recognition and international institution membership. And if they will decide that arresting Mladic is not worth to try for this reason (so if they understood there is no hope for Kosovo) then Serbia will arrest Mladic right when it is the time for getting the EU candidate status. Then Mladic is more worth it “arrested” then “practicing …whatever….” in Beograd.

Joe

pre 15 godina

Well this news made the first page of the New York Times and the whole page 10.
Richard Holbrooke summed it up so well: "Of the three most evil men of the Balkans, Milosevic, Karadzic and Mladic, I thought Karadzic was the worst. The reason was that Karadzic was a real racist believer. Karadzic really enjoyed ordering the killing of Muslims, whereeas Milosevic was an opportunist".
Reading the international media today I fully agree that he was a real racist. Only those types can commit such horrible crimes.

Afrim Hoxha

pre 15 godina

Is this how the "brave" serbians hide themselves by changing identity?
The serb government seems to be very serious into moving towards Europe and reality. I congratulate the will of Tadic for being firm against people like Karadzic.
finally more justice has been achieved by arresting one of the most wanted criminals in Europe

Obilic

pre 15 godina

Its a sad day in Serbian history and i compare this arrest to the one of Draza Mihailovic. Tadic and Co. should be ashamed.

Karadzic only protected his people and for this he was punished! Shame, shame!!!!

peter, sydney

pre 15 godina

Interesting picture - talk about hiding 'in plain sight'. Suspect he'll be feeling a certain amount of relief now that he no longer has to 'look over his shoulder'. Anyway, that chapter is now closed, & a new one opens.

While 'the hague' has shown itself to be anything but impartial, it is still a forum.. & I suspect you have much to tell...


Luigi:
> Does he practiced alternative medecine with young muslims ?

Curious that of all the many posts I have read concerning Karadzic, yours is the only one that has brought up this topic. Of interest?


Cagri:
Certainly gets them on the train.


Emin Kahveci:
> This capture does not mean anything to me. etc.

You appear to be in the minority judging by the amount of media coverage it's getting all over the world. That 'euphoria' coupled with Tadic's pro-EU stance should go a long way to 'melting the ice' between Belgrade & 'the west'.

Warms the cockles of your heart - doesn't it?


bganon:
> Voodoo dolls of US and EU politicians anybody?
Suspect they would've sold out long before this.


Obilic:
> Karadzic only protected his people and for this he was punished! Shame, shame!!!!
True enough. It's called victor's justice - as atrocities are committed by all sides in any war, as was the case here.

Bad Gorilla

pre 15 godina

(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image%3ARadovan_Karadzic_2008.jpg) = (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image%3ASaddamcapture.jpg)

michael

pre 15 godina

(it pays 2b smart.)

Once again, attempting to formulate some interpretation of the past so that it fits into your political agenda...it pays NOT to be ignorant!

Ultimately, the tragedy began with the disintegration of Yugoslavia and by who? Who destroyed a multiethnic society which was one of the founding members of the UN, OSCE, Council of Europe and other international organizations? It's was started by Slovenians, then Croats, followed by Bosnian Muslims, and finally a terrorist organization named the KLA. Matthew is absolutely right, based on those tragic conflicts where MASS extermination occurred, Rwanda didn't receive an ounce of political and media coverage as compared to Bosnia. Why? Because the west is founded on RACISM, and the Bosnia war depicted crying blond hair blue eyed society fitting within that agenda. Machete wielding blacks killing another tribe in the African jungle simply doesn't work and certainly doesn't sell the magazines, newspapers, and 30 second TV slots associated with top dollar prices. The countless lies of 200,000 killed Muslims sprinkled with charges of rape camps echoed within the halls of CNN daily, with an end result of NATO involvement and occupation of Serbian lands, both in Bosnia and Kosovo. This cannot last forever, and undoubtedly, NATO will collapse along with the deranged bureaucrat club named the EU.

Karadzic's arrest is ultimately counter productive. It will further alienate a Serbian population overcharged and demonized by a western society which has no leg to stand upon and judge others. With cheering Muslims on the streets of Sarajevo thanking SERBS for arresting Radovan, they also cheer for the release of Oric and others who murdered countless Serbian mothers and children during that same period. Hypocrites to the end!

There shall never be true reconciliation between these two societies...the struggle continues.

chris

pre 15 godina

It´s a great day for serbia, it`s a great day for Europe. This step taken by serbian police is just the beginning of europe´s and serbian´s credibility. It´s a difficult path, taken late but too late. In deep respect - Congratulations from Austria.

Branislav

pre 15 godina

To clarify matters regarding course of events in Bosnia - an how the war started - it is helpful to read about Lisbon agreement and and what was Izetbegovich's and US role in thar respect.
http://www.b92.net/eng/news/your_comment.php?nav_id=52109

Ako

pre 15 godina

michael
"There shall never be true reconciliation between these two societies...the struggle continues."

I disagree. These two societies lived happily together for almost 50 years in Yugoslavia and shall live together in Bosnia and EU many, many years to come.

It is a well known fact that the Serbian nationalism and arrogance destroyed Yugoslavia which Bosnians had loved so much!

Mike

pre 15 godina

Are you kidding me with this picture? I mean my God, the man could have passed me or anyone else on the street and we wouldn't have thought twice about it.

This is defnitely going to be a major development over the coming weeks and months. I'd really like to see how he evaded capture for over 13 years and how the West, particularly the US (that's you Mr. Holbrook) aided in his disappearance.

More plot twists than a Mexican Soap Opera....

Matthew

pre 15 godina

“Western countries should remember what has really happened out there in Bosnia. Remember the Dutch soldiers remember the fact that it took almost half a million casualities…”

Emim,

Srebrenica was a disgrace and for that I’m truly sorry. However, “almost a half million” is offensive to say the least. Maybe you ought to remember what really happened.

About 100,000 died, and nearly 1/3 of the causalities were Serbian, mirroring the population. Compared to Iraq or Rwanda or any number of brutal civil wars it was mild. But I guess only European lives count, not African or Middle Eastern.

You are right, the international community has some explaining to do. Why keep Bosnia “multi-ethnic” but destroy Yugoslavia?

Matthew

pre 15 godina

“He certainly got his enthincaly cleanse RS. (John, 22 July 2008 16:59)”

Why does RS have a 12% minority population and the Federation only has a 2% minority population?

Who cleansed whom?

cizinec

pre 15 godina

Aside from politics and that whole genocide thing, that is one impressive beard.

To be completely honest, I couldn't tell it was the same guy even with the photos next to each other.

maki

pre 15 godina

Richard Holbrooke summed it up so well: "Of the three most evil men of the Balkans, Milosevic, Karadzic and Mladic, I thought Karadzic was the worst. The reason was that Karadzic was a real racist believer. Karadzic really enjoyed ordering the killing of Muslims, whereeas Milosevic was an opportunist".


I wonder why Holbrooke is suddenly making such statements?! What is bothering him?
Milosevic was not a racist, Karadzic was a true racist, what a stupid way of twisting things!

Matthew

pre 15 godina

“What is more offensive: 100,000 proven dead or say half a million without proof?
I thank God not all think like you.
(it pays 2b smart, 22 July 2008 19:02)”

Dear Smart,

I was publically called a traitor by my own people for appearing on television with a Bosniak humanitarian group in the Republic of Srpska. I am regularly accused of being Albanian here on B92 for supporting a peaceful partition of Kosovo as a solution to that issue.

I apologized for Srebrenica and reached out to the Bosniak people in person to foster reconciliation, but that’s not good enough for you is it? All Serbs are evil to you. You can’t even see the difference between a “liberal” and a “nationalist”.

Just because I stand up for the TRUTH and for calling it as I see it.

Yes, exaggerating the number of dead by 400,000 is racist and extremely offensive to all Serbs. The complete demonizing of all Serbians has got to stop. I’m somehow a bad person for wanting the truth to be told?

How do you expect for true reconciliation to occur if such wild accusations continue to be made on a constant basis?

You want to lay the blame for all the deaths at the feet of Karadzic. While I don’t not like Karadzic in the least, he is not responsible for everything. Tudjman and the Croatians attacked the Bosniaks as well, and just as brutally, not to mention Tudjman’s Ustashe psychological warfare designed to whip the Serbian people into an uncontrollable frenzy. I’ve seen Mostar with my own eyes and I know what fate befell its population. That city was utterly destroyed.


As a Serbian-American, what do you think I feel more shame for? What happened in Bosnia or what is happening in Iraq?

Up to a million innocent civilians dead and climbing, and you’re pissed off about a war that ended over a decade ago?

According to your philosophy and logic, a murderer and a serial killer are equally evil.

In my world view, what Hitler did to the Jews was far more evil than what the US did in Vietnam.

According to your logic we should not judge the different shades of evil and merely treat them all as equal.

Yet, I don’t see you expressing the same outrage for the innocent Serbian people who died in Bosnia. If one life is as precious to you as 100,000 or a million, you would judge all sides in the Bosnian war equally.

Michael hit the nail on the head, Bosnia only captured the West’s attention because the West is racist, and that was exactly my point.

In my humble opinion the World is a very dark place filled with Evil Men who rape, kill and plunder. Yet no one cares. I care just as much for the African that dies, as for the Iraqi, or Bosniak or Serb.

I also want for reconciliation to take place, and in order for that to happen, we Serbs must acknowledge that some crimes were committed in the name of our people, and that those who committed them tarnished the good image of the Serbian people for at least a generation. However, in order for that reconciliation to occur, we must put the crimes into perspective, we must not exaggerate or demonize an entire population.

Much of the distrust of the Serbian people towards the West was a direct result of these lies, propaganda and the blatant manipulation of the media and popular opinion.