"Russia will veto any imposed solution"

It surprises me that the Russians have to spell it out again and again when they have made it so clear all along! The Russians have told it straight just as Serba has all along. Do the US and EU "few" really think Sovereignity is a political game?

The UK Minister for Europe Jim Murphy's suggestion reminds me of a child who just understood what it means when they are told "you cant have your cake and eat it" - either uphold international norms and law you have formulated, signed and agreed to be obligated by or dont and suffer the consequences you create and be responsible and accountable for your actions!!!

Maybe there will be clarity from the EU on the 28th Jan but the Russians are very clear and have always been!

Oh what a tangled web we weave.....

Well, who is Admiral James Lyons anyway? He is not important , Kosovo independence by the 10th dec 2007 etc etc..

Well, sorry, wait a minute, maybe he is important after all as an american of different view than the old official Madeleine Albright view? Naah, hes not important, Kosovo will do just fine without a ignificant country like the USA!

My President is in the Holy land saying that there must be continuous negotiation until such a point where a compromise for both sides is acceptable. He also claims that it is the only way forward. The man then looks over to Kosovo and continues a failed Clinton policy. Why does my government continue to have diametrically opposed policies to conflicts. I am a US Army reservist who served 22 months in the province of Kosovo, I want to know what is the mandate to spend American blood and money? We ignored Rawanda, 1,000,000 + dead, we go to Somalia to play meals on wheels. We go to Bosnia and Kosovo for civil wars that are not in the strategic interests of the United States, but we ignore similar conflicts in Chechnya. We go to war in Iraq and Afghanistan, rightfully in our national defense. Why is it that we and the Ruskies and fight the Islamic threat around the world, but the Jews and the Serbs can not do it in their own back yards.

Russians are ready to defend Serbia, now let see are the Americans prepared to do the same:-)
Link:
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/2/story.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=10486259

Putin sends hardman to Nato
Rogozin, 44, who has called for Russia to rearm to counter the threat from the Western military alliance, has said that if he got the job he would defend the interests of Serbia in Kosovo.

Come on B92, why are you editing my posts?

I am very dissapointed today since I was not writing anything more offending than anyone else here.

You as who the Admiral is? He is the man who represents the United States military who is in Kosovo to supposedly protect 2 million Albs from their "evil" Serb overlords. Truer words on the subject were never spoken... why is the United States engaging in further strains to the Russo-US relationship over a province the size of the state of Ct. with a population of 2 million. We should be supporting the soverign state in Belgrade.

Miri, get off your "Greater Serbia" binge. If there were any hints at a Greater Serbia policy from Belgrade, they would be pushing for complete and unconditional return of VS to Kosovo, the arrest of Thaci, Sejdiu, Ceku, et al, and the expulsion of Albanians from the region.

That Serbia is doing what any other state in the civilized world would do under threat of territorial fragmentation (opposing its controversial dismemberment) while STILL offering unbelievable autonomy to nearly all aspects of Albanian life completely discredits your idea of a Greater Serbia.

Please explain to me where any of Serbia's actions since 2000 has, in your words "cannot be farther away from the principle of respecting Int. Law."? Please find any proof that VS is ready to retake Kosovo in the event of a UDI. In fact, show me how threats of a UDI are any more based on "international law" than what Serbia is suggesting.

I'm not adovcating the return of VS, nor am I advocating the revocation of local institutions in Kosovo, but please tell me where you find any signs of Greater Serbia today, considering that Kosovo is part of internationally recognized Serbian territory?

Western democracies calling for the bending of international rules to suit their immediate interests.

Supposedly non-democratic regimes sticking to principles of international law and arbitration and sounding more mature than those Western countries.

Surrealism has truly found a permanent home in the Balkans.

Beni,

educate yourself about Russia and its veto power.

Fred,

your statement is wishful thinking.

James Lyon wrote very nice article for Washington Times and it can be found in the pages of Kosovo compromise: www.kosovocompromise.com

Another highprofile American
rejecting Bush's policy of
wild west in the Balkans.His
conclusions are a bit suspect.Why should Serbia
accept partition in exhange
for accelerated EU membership.Sovereighnty and
EU membership should not be
connected.Serbia is not in
business of trading its
territory in exchange for
some future EU membership.
That membership is not
panacea to the problems in
the region.

Mr.Lyons knows what he´s talking about, and I do not think that he does it coincidentally...

let´s just see what future brings.

The West will not give Russia the pleasure of a veto. Its that simple.

Anthony I can also claim to be a former US soldier who served in Kosova/o. Is that supposed to make my comment more believable?
I and all my compatriots could care less whether the Serbs are Orthodox, Catholics, Suffis, Jews, Budhist etc etc. For that matter even if they practiced the most extreme form of Islam, I and my compatriots could care less about it. To us the issue is very simple. We have to choose whether we want to be free or not free. It is very similar to the way the war for independence started in the US. Britain passed laws without representation from the US. Serbia passes constitutions without representation of Albanians of Kosova/o. Just so I can soothe your fears against a specific religion I am Catholic by the way. Also in order to educate you a little. The first Bible was translated in Albanian from the money raised by Albanian Muslims because at that time countries like Serbia, Greece, Italy, Turkey, and the Austro-Hungarian empire who were occupying Albanian territories did not want Albanian Christians to pray and talk to God in their own language.

P.S Mike when one state kills and ethnically cleanses by millions the rules for that state change. It is very simple. If I was a Serb wouldn't talk about upholding the international law until my state stopped helping and hiding War Criminals that are on the world's most wanted list. When my own state is respecting international law on a daily basis and not breaking it on a daily basis I could be able to talk about how important is respecting it. Till then it doesn't say or mean much when a Serb talk about international law while Serbia breaks it on a daily basis.

Since the USSR does not exist anymore and we know that USSR was permanent member of SC not Russia I think that Russia does not have right in Veto. Things should be changed in SC. Since Germany and Japan are very constructive countries and they lead in global development together with USA, UK, France they should take responsibilities in global policy.

My President is in the Holy land saying that there must be continuous negotiation until such a point where a compromise for both sides is acceptable. He also claims that it is the only way forward. The man then looks over to Kosovo and continues a failed Clinton policy. Why does my government continue to have diametrically opposed policies to conflicts. I am a US Army reservist who served 22 months in the province of Kosovo, I want to know what is the mandate to spend American blood and money? We ignored Rawanda, 1,000,000 + dead, we go to Somalia to play meals on wheels. We go to Bosnia and Kosovo for civil wars that are not in the strategic interests of the United States, but we ignore similar conflicts in Chechnya. We go to war in Iraq and Afghanistan, rightfully in our national defense. Why is it that we and the Ruskies and fight the Islamic threat around the world, but the Jews and the Serbs can not do it in their own back yards.
(Anthony, 10 January 2008 18:20)

my answer is: Two-state solution
why did you skip this anthony??

Russia will have the same attitude as long as they will invest in Serbia with minimum amount of money, see how they will change when the investment is completed.
Wake up Serbs and make your own decision, don't rely too much in Russia. We all know if there isn't any interest there isn't support!

To Mike: "Supposedly non-democratic regimes sticking to principles of international law and arbitration and sounding more mature than those Western countries. "

Mike, are you kidding me?
Do you really have any illusion that Serbia's fight to keep Kosova is about respecting Int. law? Serbia's actions cannot be farther away from the principle of respecting Int. Law. In other words is the continuation of policies of "Greater Serbia".

Leonidas,
i agree with you. serbia should NOT be offered membership into the EU regardless of the outcome in kosove. after kosove is declared independent, from that day forward the EU should count all the years between that day and when their "autonomy" was stripped from them and that's how long serbia should wait before even being considered as a viable member.

Russia will have the same attitude as long as they will invest in Serbia with minimum amount of money, see how they will change when the investment is completed.
Wake up Serbs and make your own decision, don't rely too much in Russia. We all know if there isn't any interest there isn't support!

Since the USSR does not exist anymore and we know that USSR was permanent member of SC not Russia I think that Russia does not have right in Veto. Things should be changed in SC. Since Germany and Japan are very constructive countries and they lead in global development together with USA, UK, France they should take responsibilities in global policy.

To Mike: "Supposedly non-democratic regimes sticking to principles of international law and arbitration and sounding more mature than those Western countries. "

Mike, are you kidding me?
Do you really have any illusion that Serbia's fight to keep Kosova is about respecting Int. law? Serbia's actions cannot be farther away from the principle of respecting Int. Law. In other words is the continuation of policies of "Greater Serbia".

The West will not give Russia the pleasure of a veto. Its that simple.

Anthony I can also claim to be a former US soldier who served in Kosova/o. Is that supposed to make my comment more believable?
I and all my compatriots could care less whether the Serbs are Orthodox, Catholics, Suffis, Jews, Budhist etc etc. For that matter even if they practiced the most extreme form of Islam, I and my compatriots could care less about it. To us the issue is very simple. We have to choose whether we want to be free or not free. It is very similar to the way the war for independence started in the US. Britain passed laws without representation from the US. Serbia passes constitutions without representation of Albanians of Kosova/o. Just so I can soothe your fears against a specific religion I am Catholic by the way. Also in order to educate you a little. The first Bible was translated in Albanian from the money raised by Albanian Muslims because at that time countries like Serbia, Greece, Italy, Turkey, and the Austro-Hungarian empire who were occupying Albanian territories did not want Albanian Christians to pray and talk to God in their own language.

P.S Mike when one state kills and ethnically cleanses by millions the rules for that state change. It is very simple. If I was a Serb wouldn't talk about upholding the international law until my state stopped helping and hiding War Criminals that are on the world's most wanted list. When my own state is respecting international law on a daily basis and not breaking it on a daily basis I could be able to talk about how important is respecting it. Till then it doesn't say or mean much when a Serb talk about international law while Serbia breaks it on a daily basis.

My President is in the Holy land saying that there must be continuous negotiation until such a point where a compromise for both sides is acceptable. He also claims that it is the only way forward. The man then looks over to Kosovo and continues a failed Clinton policy. Why does my government continue to have diametrically opposed policies to conflicts. I am a US Army reservist who served 22 months in the province of Kosovo, I want to know what is the mandate to spend American blood and money? We ignored Rawanda, 1,000,000 + dead, we go to Somalia to play meals on wheels. We go to Bosnia and Kosovo for civil wars that are not in the strategic interests of the United States, but we ignore similar conflicts in Chechnya. We go to war in Iraq and Afghanistan, rightfully in our national defense. Why is it that we and the Ruskies and fight the Islamic threat around the world, but the Jews and the Serbs can not do it in their own back yards.
(Anthony, 10 January 2008 18:20)

my answer is: Two-state solution
why did you skip this anthony??

Well, who is Admiral James Lyons anyway? He is not important , Kosovo independence by the 10th dec 2007 etc etc..

Well, sorry, wait a minute, maybe he is important after all as an american of different view than the old official Madeleine Albright view? Naah, hes not important, Kosovo will do just fine without a ignificant country like the USA!

It surprises me that the Russians have to spell it out again and again when they have made it so clear all along! The Russians have told it straight just as Serba has all along. Do the US and EU "few" really think Sovereignity is a political game?

The UK Minister for Europe Jim Murphy's suggestion reminds me of a child who just understood what it means when they are told "you cant have your cake and eat it" - either uphold international norms and law you have formulated, signed and agreed to be obligated by or dont and suffer the consequences you create and be responsible and accountable for your actions!!!

Maybe there will be clarity from the EU on the 28th Jan but the Russians are very clear and have always been!

Oh what a tangled web we weave.....

Come on B92, why are you editing my posts?

I am very dissapointed today since I was not writing anything more offending than anyone else here.

Western democracies calling for the bending of international rules to suit their immediate interests.

Supposedly non-democratic regimes sticking to principles of international law and arbitration and sounding more mature than those Western countries.

Surrealism has truly found a permanent home in the Balkans.

Beni,

educate yourself about Russia and its veto power.

Fred,

your statement is wishful thinking.

James Lyon wrote very nice article for Washington Times and it can be found in the pages of Kosovo compromise: www.kosovocompromise.com

My President is in the Holy land saying that there must be continuous negotiation until such a point where a compromise for both sides is acceptable. He also claims that it is the only way forward. The man then looks over to Kosovo and continues a failed Clinton policy. Why does my government continue to have diametrically opposed policies to conflicts. I am a US Army reservist who served 22 months in the province of Kosovo, I want to know what is the mandate to spend American blood and money? We ignored Rawanda, 1,000,000 + dead, we go to Somalia to play meals on wheels. We go to Bosnia and Kosovo for civil wars that are not in the strategic interests of the United States, but we ignore similar conflicts in Chechnya. We go to war in Iraq and Afghanistan, rightfully in our national defense. Why is it that we and the Ruskies and fight the Islamic threat around the world, but the Jews and the Serbs can not do it in their own back yards.

You as who the Admiral is? He is the man who represents the United States military who is in Kosovo to supposedly protect 2 million Albs from their "evil" Serb overlords. Truer words on the subject were never spoken... why is the United States engaging in further strains to the Russo-US relationship over a province the size of the state of Ct. with a population of 2 million. We should be supporting the soverign state in Belgrade.

Russians are ready to defend Serbia, now let see are the Americans prepared to do the same:-)
Link:
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/2/story.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=10486259

Putin sends hardman to Nato
Rogozin, 44, who has called for Russia to rearm to counter the threat from the Western military alliance, has said that if he got the job he would defend the interests of Serbia in Kosovo.

Miri, get off your "Greater Serbia" binge. If there were any hints at a Greater Serbia policy from Belgrade, they would be pushing for complete and unconditional return of VS to Kosovo, the arrest of Thaci, Sejdiu, Ceku, et al, and the expulsion of Albanians from the region.

That Serbia is doing what any other state in the civilized world would do under threat of territorial fragmentation (opposing its controversial dismemberment) while STILL offering unbelievable autonomy to nearly all aspects of Albanian life completely discredits your idea of a Greater Serbia.

Please explain to me where any of Serbia's actions since 2000 has, in your words "cannot be farther away from the principle of respecting Int. Law."? Please find any proof that VS is ready to retake Kosovo in the event of a UDI. In fact, show me how threats of a UDI are any more based on "international law" than what Serbia is suggesting.

I'm not adovcating the return of VS, nor am I advocating the revocation of local institutions in Kosovo, but please tell me where you find any signs of Greater Serbia today, considering that Kosovo is part of internationally recognized Serbian territory?

Another highprofile American
rejecting Bush's policy of
wild west in the Balkans.His
conclusions are a bit suspect.Why should Serbia
accept partition in exhange
for accelerated EU membership.Sovereighnty and
EU membership should not be
connected.Serbia is not in
business of trading its
territory in exchange for
some future EU membership.
That membership is not
panacea to the problems in
the region.

Mr.Lyons knows what he´s talking about, and I do not think that he does it coincidentally...

let´s just see what future brings.

Leonidas,
i agree with you. serbia should NOT be offered membership into the EU regardless of the outcome in kosove. after kosove is declared independent, from that day forward the EU should count all the years between that day and when their "autonomy" was stripped from them and that's how long serbia should wait before even being considered as a viable member.