Violations, not integrity, central to Kosovo status solution

Real Talk?

Princip

- You mean the negotiations that Albanians have asked since 1989 when their parliament was illegally disbanded? When their media was shut down by Milosevic? When Albanians were expelled from jobs only because they were Albanian?

- Or perhaps you mean the negotiations in Rambuillet in 1999 where Serbia was practically begged to attend and they sent a team of jokers?

- Or you perhaps mean the negotiations for returning the bodies of over 3000 Albanians buried all over Serbia?

- Or you mean the talks where Tadic and Kostunica refused to shake hands with Kosovo Albanians in Vienna?

Talk time is over. Are you going to start another World War?

I hope you all got it

The real talks will only start once Ahtisarri has published his "proposal" in February. Even Polt says the final solution will have to go through the UN security council but on that "We do not have yet a draft resolution to discuss. We have not yet begun the discussion because we first have to wait for Mr. Ahtisaari to go ahead and present his proposals" and goes further "But we will sit down and having a full sum debated as to how we can solve this situation that needs to be resolved".

Thanks B92 for this interview and please endeavour to get more real information like it. It is good to talk and discuss matters fully and no-one needs to opt to violence. Hopefully all the peoples of Serbia can start to understand that only working together with freedom and respect of all will the economic success wished for come about. Yes the Serbs in Kosovo should involve themselves in Kosovo matters just as equally Kosovo institutions should be involved in Serbia - for the good of ALL. That is not easy for many serbs and neither is it easy for many Albanians in Kosovo & Metohija but the time has come to resolve the issue for a lasting peace and that has to be in everyone interest and will require concessions from all parties.

A win-win solution must be found and finally it would seem some are starting to think out of the box. The good, principled and legal stance taken by the Serbian government clearly is all about finding a solution acceptable to all and continuing discussions in this vein will bring about a lasting resolution.

The real talks will begin in February. Roll on 2007!!!

where was the logic of violations vs intergrity here http://www.arcticbeacon.com/20-Nov-2006.html

After waiting and waiting for something like this to come up,for some time I was not certain that just one day I can say that all people in Kosova will be so happy to have a right to choose,for a better life or with to be with sorry Serbia.Dear Princip,give up,stop reminding us about 2007.It's only 5 weeks to go.Be a good sport.It is hard to accept the defeat but it is not your fault.Enjoy the life,don't be so pesimistic,we are only humans,we will be just fine.Thats move on PLEASE.Cheerio.

To Dardan,

Do you not realise that the US have more pressing issues to deal with and Kosovo & Metohija status has slipped well down the priority ladder. Yes, Kosovo & Metohija is one of the top issues for the US within the field of Europe but he failed to mention how high the issues of Europe are on a scale of all the issues America has currently and in the near future both domestic and international and asked for understanding of other more important agendas. The US is just one of the members of the contact group and one of five permanent members of the UN security council. If they are now toning down their rhetoric do you not realise that there has been a huge realisation that maybe their previous stance was wrong? Do you not think they are able to learn form their own mistakes too?

The Ahtisarri "proposal" is exactly what it suggests a proposal. This will form the basis of the real talks. Polt outlines where these discussions will lead to "The Security Council will not be bypassed. We are engaged in an international process that is mandated, comes out of the United Nations’ process" and as such the Ahtisarri "proposal" will be a starting point for what will supercede resolution 1244. Also you should recall Polt state's "For that matter nobody is asking Serbia to give up Kosovo".

Remember too that the EU is made up of many individual nations who see differing opinions with regards Kosovo & Metohija & they wish to maintain a common foreign policy so they will go with what ever is finally decided upon that can pass through the UN security council. There will be no individual declarations from within the EU while there is still a chance of proper resolution that does not violate the UN charter. This is the greatest learning lesson coming about from the disastrous decision to bypass International law in 2003 (prior to unilateral Iraq invasion) and will not be made again.

Regarding the other major players we are then left with Russia and China. I found some interesting letter from Sergei N. Shishkarev (Deputy Chairman, Committee on Energy, Transportation and Communications Russian State Duma) addressed to the editor of the Washington Post (please see full letter in your own time http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/11/24/AR2006112401135.html ). He states the Russian perspective on the status talks and to quote "The Russian government properly insists that the future of Kosovo can only be decided through negotiation and adopted in a manner consistent with the U.N. Charter and the Helsinki Final Act". Clearly there has been no need to change this stance since it has been principled and based upon International law unlike that of the US and UK governments stance.

I think we all know that China sees Kosovo & Metohija as a relatively minor priority but it has stated that it will not recognise anything that will violate its own territorial integrity. That would scupper any conditional independence since this would never be ratified by the security council as it is seen for what it is full independence biding for time while hoping everyone forgets this is the same decision however much the US try to dress it up and China knows that as does Russia.

I agree that the status of Kosovo & Metohija needs to be resolved but it will be resolved only if there is a win-win solution that is acceptable to all and will therefore be lasting - anything short of this will be continued instability and economically the worst outcome for Kosovo & Metohija as witnessed over the last 7 years of UNmik administration - all that will be different will be "EU"mik.

The sooner all the in peoples in Serbia get involved in making Serbia better the sooner all will benefit. Roll on 2007 and let the real talks begin!!!

One question for you Princip
If a solution will be a win-win solution as you suggest then why would they wait until after Serbian elections to propose it?
For me that means only one thing, the solution will not be favourable for Serbia otherwise why postpone it.

What I'd like to address is the myth that somehow the situation in Kosovo is unique.

"The situation of Kosovo really is unique. There is no situation that I can think of where the international community had to intervene after a massive human rights violations committed by a government on, at that point, their own citizens, where hundreds of thousands of people were displaced by actions of a regime that was clearly in violation of human rights, that was clearly committing atrocities, that was clearly committing crimes against humanity."

Surely this describes the situation of the Kurds in Iraq exactly. It also describes the situation in Krajina very closely with the exception that the international community ignored those crimes and refused to intervene. What about Rwanda? Or the many many many almost identical situations in the world, past and present. This could even describe the situation of the Serbs in Kosovo during the 2004 riots or when the KLA took over. Polt is either avoiding telling the whole truth, or knows nothing of history or politics.

There really is nothing unique about the situation in Kosovo except for the fact that the US is trying to see it as unique.

If the US is going to support the right to self determination for the Albanians in Kosovo, they should support the right to self determination for Serbs in those countries and areas they live in.

The idea of the Right to Self Determination MUST be enforced in an even and fair manner in order for it to maintain its validity in the 21st century, and not merely used as a pretext to break up governments and countries the US doesn't agree with.

Let's examine another one of Polts statements.

"There is a violent past in Kosovo, and lets not forget who started that violent past in the 1990s. It was Milo and his regime that caused, that was the immediate spark for, the entire tragedy that unfolded thereafter."
While I completely agree that Milosevic manipulated people's fears of being abused to maintain power and enrich himself and his cronies, he did not do this in a complete vacuum. There were genuine crimes committed against Serbs in that area. Milosevic used those crimes as justification for what he did, just as the KLA used his crimes to justify their crimes in return. Trying to turn the situation into a simple black & white, good & bad view of events only serves to dilute reality, and that is no basis for discussion or negotiation. In order to understand the situation correctly, we need to look at the crimes committed by ALL sides in the conflict, not just the easy targets. While I understand its difficult for the American public to understand complex issues, where both sides have committed atrocities, its completely inexcusable for a person representing the US government to show such a naïve understanding of the situation and to present it as a simple problem where one side is wrong and the other is right. It also sounds like he is saying the ethnic cleansing committed against the Serbs in Kosovo and the riots in 2004 were justified because of Milosevic's crimes.
I suggest that if Mr. Polt holds the view that the Kosovo situation started in the 1990's, that Kosovo is unique, and that the Serbs are entirely to blame for the violence, that he be recalled as Ambassador to Serbia.
I find it absolutely unacceptable for my government to send an Ambassador to a country that he knows practically nothing about. Mr. Polt, your statements and misunderstanding of history and the region are an embarrassment to America, you should resign if you don't have the time to learn a little about the country in which you are assigned.

Mr. Polt, may I suggest to you that you do something productive while you are serving in Serbia? First you should work on winning the trust and support of the Serbian people, then they might be more willing to listen to you, and to respect the US. If you were to condemn the Human Rights violations committed against Serbs, then you would have the justification to speak about Serbian war crimes from a position of strength and neutrality.
The celebration of Operation Storm in Croatia as a national holiday and their use of Ustasha symbols are real issues that need to be looked at. If you want to look at the spark that started the whole tragedy in the Balkans, look at the Ustasha revival in Croatia. Considering hundreds of thousands of Serbians and Jews were killed in Ustasha death camps during WWII, how do you think the common Serb is going to feel when they see those symbols again? Keep in mind that the early 1990's are not that far removed from WWII and many of the people who survived that genocide are still alive today. Milosevic was a criminal of epic proportions, but he had a willing partner in Tudjman for his crimes. Milosevic played on the very real fears of the common Serbian that genocide was right around the corner for them. The main spark for the Balkans tragedy really did come from WWII and from the lack of dealing with it afterwards, it was just swept under the rug.
Mr. Polt, if you want true and lasting peace for the Balkans, we need to deal with the crimes of all sides, not just the Serbian side. Ignoring the crimes committed by the other sides in the conflict will only result in history repeating itself yet again. The crimes committed by the Ustashi during WWII and in the 1990's need to be seriously looked at, as well as the crimes committed by the KLA in the 1980's and in 2004.
I do strongly agree that the crimes committed by Serbians need to be dealt with, and that the Serbian people need to acknowledge what happened and do some serious soul searching, but I also think everyone else needs to do a little of that as well. Ignoring the crimes of others will not be helpful for the long term stability of the region. Serbia is slowing making progress towards accepting the role they played in the crimes of the 90's. However, continuing to ignore the crimes committed against Serbians is only going to strengthen the radical elements of Serbian society. For how many decades is the International Community going to use the excuse of Milosevic's crimes in the 90's to justify their stance on Serbia?

Mr. Polt,

One additional item that I feel inclined to comment on, which I feel is important for the US government to understand and be aware of.

A caller asked you to comment on the ethnic cleansing of Serbians in Kosovo, asking specifically for you to comment on the change in the Serbian/Albanian ratio in Kosovo, as its changed drastically from a 30% Serbian population to only 5% currently.

You replied

"I don’t not know what the ratios were exactly, but that really is not the key issue. The key issue is that the Milošević regime caused a large part of the population of Kosovo to have to flee there homes to find safety elsewhere because of the action that he and his criminal regime undertook in Kosovo."
Basically, it sounds like you are saying you don't know or care that the Serbian population was ethnically cleansed in Kosovo, and that only the crimes of Milosevic are important in this issue.
Obviously you are not aware that in reality the Serbian population has a higher per capita of missing persons in Kosovo then the Albanian population (per capita is a percentage of the population for those of you who are confused, I'm not talking a higher number of people here, just the percentage of the Serbian population that went missing after the Nato bombing is higher then the percentage of the Albanian population that went missing after the crimes of the Milosevic regime).
I personally feel that as a representative of my Government, that you should pay attention to the facts and really try to understand the Serbian perspective. In order for you to best serve the interests of the American government, you have to be educated in the history and situation of the region and to be sensitive in your comments.
To admit that you are ignorant of the facts, and then to dismiss the ethnic cleansing of Serbians in the region as not being a key issue is a pretty serious blunder for a government representative.
Mr. Polt, I am by no means a nationalist, nor did I support Milosevic's policies. I even did humanitarian work for a group of really great Bosniac kids from Sarajevo who rewrote the compulsory military draft laws in Bosnia. My family is originally (4 generations ago) from Montenegro, and the clan my family is from is a mixed Albanian/Montenegrin clan. I highly respect Albanian culture just as I do all cultures. That's why I enjoy living in the US so much, we have such a mosaic of varying cultures here all living in relative peace and harmony. In that way, we are a beacon of hope for all those cultures that clash with one another.
If you, or anyone else in our embassy would like a brief lesson in the history of the region from an American perspective, I would be more then happy to consult with you or anyone else, I travel to the Balkans every year. B92 obviously has my email address. It just seems to me you are really having a difficult time understanding the Balkan perspective, and if the US is going to continue to have an influence in the area, we need to understand the viewpoints of everyone in Serbia, the nationalists as well as the intellectuals.

Matthew,
Good Job! I could not say it better myself.

Is Polt serious when he says that Serbs started it? The KLA started the violence. The Albanians have a terrorist Agim Ceku as leader? How can Serbs possibly live in an independent kosovo with terrorist Ceku as its leader? How in the guaranteed ethnic cleansing would Belgrade run Serbia not be affected in very very negative ways by this wave of refugees?

I hope you all got it

The real talks will only start once Ahtisarri has published his "proposal" in February. Even Polt says the final solution will have to go through the UN security council but on that "We do not have yet a draft resolution to discuss. We have not yet begun the discussion because we first have to wait for Mr. Ahtisaari to go ahead and present his proposals" and goes further "But we will sit down and having a full sum debated as to how we can solve this situation that needs to be resolved".

Thanks B92 for this interview and please endeavour to get more real information like it. It is good to talk and discuss matters fully and no-one needs to opt to violence. Hopefully all the peoples of Serbia can start to understand that only working together with freedom and respect of all will the economic success wished for come about. Yes the Serbs in Kosovo should involve themselves in Kosovo matters just as equally Kosovo institutions should be involved in Serbia - for the good of ALL. That is not easy for many serbs and neither is it easy for many Albanians in Kosovo & Metohija but the time has come to resolve the issue for a lasting peace and that has to be in everyone interest and will require concessions from all parties.

A win-win solution must be found and finally it would seem some are starting to think out of the box. The good, principled and legal stance taken by the Serbian government clearly is all about finding a solution acceptable to all and continuing discussions in this vein will bring about a lasting resolution.

The real talks will begin in February. Roll on 2007!!!

Real Talk?

Princip

- You mean the negotiations that Albanians have asked since 1989 when their parliament was illegally disbanded? When their media was shut down by Milosevic? When Albanians were expelled from jobs only because they were Albanian?

- Or perhaps you mean the negotiations in Rambuillet in 1999 where Serbia was practically begged to attend and they sent a team of jokers?

- Or you perhaps mean the negotiations for returning the bodies of over 3000 Albanians buried all over Serbia?

- Or you mean the talks where Tadic and Kostunica refused to shake hands with Kosovo Albanians in Vienna?

Talk time is over. Are you going to start another World War?

where was the logic of violations vs intergrity here http://www.arcticbeacon.com/20-Nov-2006.html

After waiting and waiting for something like this to come up,for some time I was not certain that just one day I can say that all people in Kosova will be so happy to have a right to choose,for a better life or with to be with sorry Serbia.Dear Princip,give up,stop reminding us about 2007.It's only 5 weeks to go.Be a good sport.It is hard to accept the defeat but it is not your fault.Enjoy the life,don't be so pesimistic,we are only humans,we will be just fine.Thats move on PLEASE.Cheerio.

To Dardan,

Do you not realise that the US have more pressing issues to deal with and Kosovo & Metohija status has slipped well down the priority ladder. Yes, Kosovo & Metohija is one of the top issues for the US within the field of Europe but he failed to mention how high the issues of Europe are on a scale of all the issues America has currently and in the near future both domestic and international and asked for understanding of other more important agendas. The US is just one of the members of the contact group and one of five permanent members of the UN security council. If they are now toning down their rhetoric do you not realise that there has been a huge realisation that maybe their previous stance was wrong? Do you not think they are able to learn form their own mistakes too?

The Ahtisarri "proposal" is exactly what it suggests a proposal. This will form the basis of the real talks. Polt outlines where these discussions will lead to "The Security Council will not be bypassed. We are engaged in an international process that is mandated, comes out of the United Nations’ process" and as such the Ahtisarri "proposal" will be a starting point for what will supercede resolution 1244. Also you should recall Polt state's "For that matter nobody is asking Serbia to give up Kosovo".

Remember too that the EU is made up of many individual nations who see differing opinions with regards Kosovo & Metohija & they wish to maintain a common foreign policy so they will go with what ever is finally decided upon that can pass through the UN security council. There will be no individual declarations from within the EU while there is still a chance of proper resolution that does not violate the UN charter. This is the greatest learning lesson coming about from the disastrous decision to bypass International law in 2003 (prior to unilateral Iraq invasion) and will not be made again.

Regarding the other major players we are then left with Russia and China. I found some interesting letter from Sergei N. Shishkarev (Deputy Chairman, Committee on Energy, Transportation and Communications Russian State Duma) addressed to the editor of the Washington Post (please see full letter in your own time http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/11/24/AR2006112401135.html ). He states the Russian perspective on the status talks and to quote "The Russian government properly insists that the future of Kosovo can only be decided through negotiation and adopted in a manner consistent with the U.N. Charter and the Helsinki Final Act". Clearly there has been no need to change this stance since it has been principled and based upon International law unlike that of the US and UK governments stance.

I think we all know that China sees Kosovo & Metohija as a relatively minor priority but it has stated that it will not recognise anything that will violate its own territorial integrity. That would scupper any conditional independence since this would never be ratified by the security council as it is seen for what it is full independence biding for time while hoping everyone forgets this is the same decision however much the US try to dress it up and China knows that as does Russia.

I agree that the status of Kosovo & Metohija needs to be resolved but it will be resolved only if there is a win-win solution that is acceptable to all and will therefore be lasting - anything short of this will be continued instability and economically the worst outcome for Kosovo & Metohija as witnessed over the last 7 years of UNmik administration - all that will be different will be "EU"mik.

The sooner all the in peoples in Serbia get involved in making Serbia better the sooner all will benefit. Roll on 2007 and let the real talks begin!!!

One question for you Princip
If a solution will be a win-win solution as you suggest then why would they wait until after Serbian elections to propose it?
For me that means only one thing, the solution will not be favourable for Serbia otherwise why postpone it.

What I'd like to address is the myth that somehow the situation in Kosovo is unique.

"The situation of Kosovo really is unique. There is no situation that I can think of where the international community had to intervene after a massive human rights violations committed by a government on, at that point, their own citizens, where hundreds of thousands of people were displaced by actions of a regime that was clearly in violation of human rights, that was clearly committing atrocities, that was clearly committing crimes against humanity."

Surely this describes the situation of the Kurds in Iraq exactly. It also describes the situation in Krajina very closely with the exception that the international community ignored those crimes and refused to intervene. What about Rwanda? Or the many many many almost identical situations in the world, past and present. This could even describe the situation of the Serbs in Kosovo during the 2004 riots or when the KLA took over. Polt is either avoiding telling the whole truth, or knows nothing of history or politics.

There really is nothing unique about the situation in Kosovo except for the fact that the US is trying to see it as unique.

If the US is going to support the right to self determination for the Albanians in Kosovo, they should support the right to self determination for Serbs in those countries and areas they live in.

The idea of the Right to Self Determination MUST be enforced in an even and fair manner in order for it to maintain its validity in the 21st century, and not merely used as a pretext to break up governments and countries the US doesn't agree with.

Let's examine another one of Polts statements.

"There is a violent past in Kosovo, and lets not forget who started that violent past in the 1990s. It was Milo and his regime that caused, that was the immediate spark for, the entire tragedy that unfolded thereafter."
While I completely agree that Milosevic manipulated people's fears of being abused to maintain power and enrich himself and his cronies, he did not do this in a complete vacuum. There were genuine crimes committed against Serbs in that area. Milosevic used those crimes as justification for what he did, just as the KLA used his crimes to justify their crimes in return. Trying to turn the situation into a simple black & white, good & bad view of events only serves to dilute reality, and that is no basis for discussion or negotiation. In order to understand the situation correctly, we need to look at the crimes committed by ALL sides in the conflict, not just the easy targets. While I understand its difficult for the American public to understand complex issues, where both sides have committed atrocities, its completely inexcusable for a person representing the US government to show such a naïve understanding of the situation and to present it as a simple problem where one side is wrong and the other is right. It also sounds like he is saying the ethnic cleansing committed against the Serbs in Kosovo and the riots in 2004 were justified because of Milosevic's crimes.
I suggest that if Mr. Polt holds the view that the Kosovo situation started in the 1990's, that Kosovo is unique, and that the Serbs are entirely to blame for the violence, that he be recalled as Ambassador to Serbia.
I find it absolutely unacceptable for my government to send an Ambassador to a country that he knows practically nothing about. Mr. Polt, your statements and misunderstanding of history and the region are an embarrassment to America, you should resign if you don't have the time to learn a little about the country in which you are assigned.

Mr. Polt, may I suggest to you that you do something productive while you are serving in Serbia? First you should work on winning the trust and support of the Serbian people, then they might be more willing to listen to you, and to respect the US. If you were to condemn the Human Rights violations committed against Serbs, then you would have the justification to speak about Serbian war crimes from a position of strength and neutrality.
The celebration of Operation Storm in Croatia as a national holiday and their use of Ustasha symbols are real issues that need to be looked at. If you want to look at the spark that started the whole tragedy in the Balkans, look at the Ustasha revival in Croatia. Considering hundreds of thousands of Serbians and Jews were killed in Ustasha death camps during WWII, how do you think the common Serb is going to feel when they see those symbols again? Keep in mind that the early 1990's are not that far removed from WWII and many of the people who survived that genocide are still alive today. Milosevic was a criminal of epic proportions, but he had a willing partner in Tudjman for his crimes. Milosevic played on the very real fears of the common Serbian that genocide was right around the corner for them. The main spark for the Balkans tragedy really did come from WWII and from the lack of dealing with it afterwards, it was just swept under the rug.
Mr. Polt, if you want true and lasting peace for the Balkans, we need to deal with the crimes of all sides, not just the Serbian side. Ignoring the crimes committed by the other sides in the conflict will only result in history repeating itself yet again. The crimes committed by the Ustashi during WWII and in the 1990's need to be seriously looked at, as well as the crimes committed by the KLA in the 1980's and in 2004.
I do strongly agree that the crimes committed by Serbians need to be dealt with, and that the Serbian people need to acknowledge what happened and do some serious soul searching, but I also think everyone else needs to do a little of that as well. Ignoring the crimes of others will not be helpful for the long term stability of the region. Serbia is slowing making progress towards accepting the role they played in the crimes of the 90's. However, continuing to ignore the crimes committed against Serbians is only going to strengthen the radical elements of Serbian society. For how many decades is the International Community going to use the excuse of Milosevic's crimes in the 90's to justify their stance on Serbia?

Mr. Polt,

One additional item that I feel inclined to comment on, which I feel is important for the US government to understand and be aware of.

A caller asked you to comment on the ethnic cleansing of Serbians in Kosovo, asking specifically for you to comment on the change in the Serbian/Albanian ratio in Kosovo, as its changed drastically from a 30% Serbian population to only 5% currently.

You replied

"I don’t not know what the ratios were exactly, but that really is not the key issue. The key issue is that the Milošević regime caused a large part of the population of Kosovo to have to flee there homes to find safety elsewhere because of the action that he and his criminal regime undertook in Kosovo."
Basically, it sounds like you are saying you don't know or care that the Serbian population was ethnically cleansed in Kosovo, and that only the crimes of Milosevic are important in this issue.
Obviously you are not aware that in reality the Serbian population has a higher per capita of missing persons in Kosovo then the Albanian population (per capita is a percentage of the population for those of you who are confused, I'm not talking a higher number of people here, just the percentage of the Serbian population that went missing after the Nato bombing is higher then the percentage of the Albanian population that went missing after the crimes of the Milosevic regime).
I personally feel that as a representative of my Government, that you should pay attention to the facts and really try to understand the Serbian perspective. In order for you to best serve the interests of the American government, you have to be educated in the history and situation of the region and to be sensitive in your comments.
To admit that you are ignorant of the facts, and then to dismiss the ethnic cleansing of Serbians in the region as not being a key issue is a pretty serious blunder for a government representative.
Mr. Polt, I am by no means a nationalist, nor did I support Milosevic's policies. I even did humanitarian work for a group of really great Bosniac kids from Sarajevo who rewrote the compulsory military draft laws in Bosnia. My family is originally (4 generations ago) from Montenegro, and the clan my family is from is a mixed Albanian/Montenegrin clan. I highly respect Albanian culture just as I do all cultures. That's why I enjoy living in the US so much, we have such a mosaic of varying cultures here all living in relative peace and harmony. In that way, we are a beacon of hope for all those cultures that clash with one another.
If you, or anyone else in our embassy would like a brief lesson in the history of the region from an American perspective, I would be more then happy to consult with you or anyone else, I travel to the Balkans every year. B92 obviously has my email address. It just seems to me you are really having a difficult time understanding the Balkan perspective, and if the US is going to continue to have an influence in the area, we need to understand the viewpoints of everyone in Serbia, the nationalists as well as the intellectuals.

Matthew,
Good Job! I could not say it better myself.

Is Polt serious when he says that Serbs started it? The KLA started the violence. The Albanians have a terrorist Agim Ceku as leader? How can Serbs possibly live in an independent kosovo with terrorist Ceku as its leader? How in the guaranteed ethnic cleansing would Belgrade run Serbia not be affected in very very negative ways by this wave of refugees?