FM: Events in Croatia are regrettable, why is EU silent?

Everyday, croatia kicks your ass very well.

Why is EU silent? Because: EU = Germany. Germany = Serbia’s eternal enemy. That’s why (as if you didn’t know, Mr. Dačić). Besides, Mr. Dačić, you seem to support Germany’s favorite puppet A. Vučić to become the next president. Many people think you two are the very incarnation of hypocrisy and selling out.

Why is the EU Silent?
It's simple. Because soldiers from Croatia did not attack serbia in the 90s. It was soldiers from serbia that attacked Croatia.
This is something Dacic needs to get through his thick head along with the rest of his nation.
Whining about WWII is getting stale. Especially if it's about a priest who saved serbs.
Poor little serbia.

Why is the EU silent? Because they believe in the rule of law and Stepinac's trial was a farce that met no legal standards. When he was convicted, world opinion condemned the verdict, including Jews and Serbs not under the control of communist dictator Tito. Outside of the communist-inspired propaganda bubble, Stepinac was viewed rightly as a just man who saved many Jews and Serbs.

Little Ivica when you grow some balls and tell the EU to F*** Off then you might get somewhere otherwise you will continue to look like a buffoon. See little Ivica you are too preoccupied in getting paid by the EU and while you are counting your money Brussels will continue to piss on you.

Hope you get the message.

From Mirko: "Everyday, croatia kicks your ass very well."

Hmmm, what might you be referring to Mirko? Tennis? No, Serbia has the #1 player in the world. Olympic basketball? No, Serbia trounced Croatia. Olympic water polo? No again. Serbia smashed Croatia. WWI? No, Croatia fought on the losing side while the Serbs were the winners. WWII? Croatia again was on the losing side with their Nazi friends while the Serbs were the winners. Perhaps you're referring to the war of the 90s. Ahhh, that must be it. Oh wait, the US and NATO fought that battle for the Croats. Sorry Mirko, you've struck out. Even there Croats were the big losers in B-H where now they make up less than 11% of the population and their numbers are shrinking every day. The Serbs on the other hand have 33% of the population, yet control 49% of the territory and operate independently. You and your Croat countrymen always seem to come out on the short end of the stick when you compare them to the Serbs who you hate so much. But keep telling yourself that Croats are the big winners over the Serbs. Keep trying to convince yourself of Croat superiority over Serbs Mirko. One day even you will believe it. LOL

From the Englishman of Ustasha descent: "...soldiers from Croatia did not attack serbia in the 90s."

Correct. They attacked Serbs civilians living in Croatia, then a part of Yugoslavia.

More from the Englishman of Ustasha descent: "Whining about WWII is getting stale...."

No problem Englishman of Ustasha descent. Simply apologize for the role the Croatian gov't. in conjunction with their Nazi allies and the Croatian catholic church played in trying to exterminate the Serbs of Croatia and B-H during WWII. I know revisionists like you would like the world to forget the ugliest period of your beloved Croatia's history, but the world will not. Oh and another thing, stop renaming streets after Ustasha war criminals and holding memorial services in Zagreb for the butcher Pavelic every year. Get it now?

impossible to take him seriously considering his own country is the only one in the region which rehabilitated a Nazi collaborator

Oh geez...when will Serbian government stop whining to Brussels about Croatia, WW2, ustashe and events from over 70 years ago. The Croats have revealed a monument to a priest who by no means was perfect, but considering the times and circumstances he'd lived in, he actually saved the lives of many Serbs AND Jews. At the same time Serbia right now in the 21st century, is rehabilitating a nazi collaborator, Mihailovich and what's worse is celebrating its own war criminals from all the wars it had instigated in the 1990s, as national heroes. Why don't you stop sticking your large noses in other countries' affairs and start cleaning your own back yard for a change? Otherwise,just give it a rest already...you are so damn boring!

You appear to be having hallucinations, dear!
(icj1, 11 February 2017 01:42)

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The boys of Python are again bursting their ribs from laughter.
Dude, you're the the icj1 who recently admitted to imagining voices in other people's heads. As the CB of B92, icj1 openly celebrates crimes against religious institutions. icj1 is well known on this site for bigoted hallucinations. This is also the same icj1 who believes that a commonly recognized term such as GDP is a "nonsensical concept" and "weird thing". icj1's hallucinations has them associating neurological disorders with ethnicity. icj1's delusion have no bounds and are consistently showcased in his/her failure to grasp basic concepts in fields of history, science, law, current events and many other topics. Idiocy, intolerance and ignorance define icj1.

PS CB = Chief Bigot




They attacked Serbs civilians living in Croatia, then a part of Yugoslavia.
(njegos, 10 February 2017 23:08)

Who are these "they" who attacked Serbs civilians living in Croatia, then a part of Yugoslavia?
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Simply apologize for the role the Croatian gov't. in conjunction with their Nazi allies and the Croatian catholic church played in trying to exterminate the Serbs of Croatia and B-H during WWII.
(njegos, 10 February 2017 23:08)

The Croatian gov't played a role in trying to exterminate the Serbs of Croatia and B-H during WWII?! Mate, WWII in Europe ended almost 73 years ago and few members of the Croatian gov't, if any, were even born at that time. Not to mention that there was not any Croatian gov't during WWII because Croatia did not even exist then! You appear to be having hallucinations, dear!

From the Englishman of Ustasha descent: "No they defended against serbs that were trying to take territory away from them..."

Wrong Ustasha Boy. Croatia armed themselves for years prior to their illegal and premature breakaway. They violated international law and overnight began firing Serbs from jobs, destroying their property and killing many. You wanted war and you got it. Don't cry about the destruction of Vukovar and your losses in B-H. You asked for it and you got it.

More from the Ustasha Boy: "As for WWII... like I said it's stale, find a new argument that someone cares about. Trying to paint serbia as the ultimate antifascist state is a joke. Save it for someone else Mr Nedic."

HAHAHA! Trying to compare Nedic to Pavelic! Shameful. One of the oldest and most pathetic tactics used by the Croats to deflect their crimes. Ask Efraim Zuroff, the foremost authority of WWII crimes committed by the Nazis and their collaborators what he thinks of your comparison. You'll have to do better than that Ustasha Boy. Maybe you guys should hire more US PR firms to cleanse your image like you did in the 90s. LOL

From Englishman of Usdtasha descent: "This still doesn't explain why forces from serbia were on holy Croatian soil. Clinton and Albright said it well when they pointed the finger at serbia for starting 4 wars in the Balkans."

Holy Croatian soil? Who made it holy? Your beloved Stepinac after the massacre of 750,000 Serbs at Jasenovac? And you really need to study recent history instead of believing the PR firms that your people paid for to manipulate the western press. No violence started until Tudjman won the election and began firing Serbs, renaming streets after Ustasha war criminals, inviting Dinko Sakic (former commander of Jasenovac) back to Croatia, vandalizing Serb property and killing many. When violated the Yugoslav constitution and international law and declared independence, it was open season on Serbs. How soon you forget Ustasha Boy.

"...they didn't want war but I would say you got it and you got your asses kicked."

Hmmm, let's see Serbs make up 33% of B-H and control 49% of the land and operate independently for all intents and purposes. Croats make up 11%, down from 15% and get smaller by the day. Who got their asses kicked?

And now Serbia is seeing foreign investment from a multitude of countries while Croatia continues to run its debt up and is mired in corruption while hanging onto its Ustasha past. If these are the results of the ass kicking you gave the Serbs, keep up the good work.

More from the Englishman of Ustasha descent: "As for WWII, like I said it's stale... serbia needs to stop acting like they are the righteous side, there were death camps in serbia and belgrade was the first Jew free city in Europe. I hope you're proud of yourselves."

Again, learn your history if you are going to refer to it. Continuing to correct you is becoming tiresome Ustasha Boy. Read very carefully. Milan Nedic was implemented by Hitler. He employed a strategy of 'no resistance' because Hitler had an edict to kill 100 Serbs for every German soldier killed and 50 Serbs for every German wounded. Nedic had no power and no control over anything. Germans occupied Belgrade and ran any camps there, not Nedic. All of this happened while the Serbs were resisting and fighting the Germans and your beloved Ustasha.

Contrast this to the Croatian people who welcomed Hitler into Zagreb with a parade. How many of your relatives were there to welcome Hitler Englishman? Be honest now. Pavelic carried out a policy of killing 1/3 of the Serbs, exiling 1/3 and converting 1/3 to catholisism.

If the Serbs were Nazi collaborators why did Hitler issue a $100K reward on Mihailovich and why did Hitler bomb Belgrade to pieces? Conversely, no bombs were dropped on Zagreb and Ante Pavelic was one of Hitler's primary henchman. I could go on and on. But I'll leave you with this. Look up what Efrain Zuroff, the formost authority on WWII crimes against Jews and see what he says about WWII.

""Why is the European Union silent about a rehabilitation of fascism and war crimes? Does silence mean approval? Or will somebody from the EU at long last refute me?," Dacic asked"

If the EU were to seriously take and respond to Ivica's ramblings, it would need to establish a directorate-general for that purpose in order to handle the volume of work.

But, if Ivica wishes to fund it with Serbia's taxpayers money, that could be possible and that way Ivica will finally have his ramblings answered by the EU.

Correct. They attacked Serbs civilians living in Croatia, then a part of Yugoslavia.

(njegos, 10 February 2017 23:08)

No they defended against serbs that were trying to take territory away from them with the help of the military that arrived in Croatia from serbia.

The difference which you conveniently ignore is that Croatia DEFENDED, while serbia ATTACKED. This is why the international community sees serbia as the AGRESSORS in the four wars they started in the Balkans.

As for WWII... like I said it's stale, find a new argument that someone cares about. Trying to paint serbia as the ultimate antifascist state is a joke. Save it for someone else Mr Nedic.

Hoping to buy a Croatian Flag Doormat from Amazon,hurry they are selling out fast.It should take pride of place in front of your toilet door along with a portrait of Stepinac on the toilet door below which you are to place the words "Shit" House. How about that for a dedication to Ustashism? Far better than a silly statue in a car park,hey?

From icj the Serb Hater: "Who are these "they" who attacked Serbs civilians living in Croatia, then a part of Yugoslavia?"

I'll be glad to answer your questions when you go back and answer the countless questions that I've asked you in the past, only to have you run away like the coward that you are.

Wrong Ustasha Boy. Croatia armed themselves for years prior to their illegal and premature breakaway. They violated international law bLa bla bla...
(njegos, 14 February 2017 14:53)

This still doesn't explain why forces from serbia were on holy Croatian soil. Clinton and Albright said it well when they pointed the finger at serbia for starting 4 wars in the Balkans.

You claim that Croatia wanted war and they got. Well... they didn't want war but I would say you got it and you got your asses kicked.

As for WWII, like I said it's stale... serbia needs to stop acting like they are the righteous side, there were death camps in serbia and belgrade was the first Jew free city in Europe. I hope you're proud of yourselves.

Poor pathetic little serbia.

More from the Englishman of Ustasha descent: "As for serbs getting fired I suppose this did happen after serbs started causing trouble in Knin and elsewhere."

Wrong again. The first shots were fired by Croats at a Serbian wedding in Borovo Selo.

"Not to mention that serbs were in privileged positions anyway. Vandalization did happen yes. But no, not many were killed until they openly took up arms against their homeland Croatia. So basically, yes, I deny this happened before any JNA troops and bloodthirsty serb paramilitary forces rolled in."

Your hatred for Serbs doesn't allow to look at the facts reasonably. Wasn't it Tito, a Croat who was the father of communism in Yugoslavia? There were many, many Croats in powerful positions in communist Yugoslavia but you guys conveniently forget this.

How would you feel if overnight you found yourself living in another country with no say so whatsoever and that country revived the symbols of a regime that only 50 years earlier tried to wipe you off the face of the earth? And this is on land that the Serbs had lived on since the 1600s. What would you have done Englishman?

More in next post

From the Englishman of Ustasha descent: "When you ask about relatives being Ustashe it's hard for me to answer because to serbs being a Croat means being an Ustasha. Do you mean WWII, the 90s or just existing?"

Being a Croat doesn't mean being an Ustasha to me. Stop painting with a broad brush. Your answer implies that you admit that Ustasha exist today. Most of your fellow Croats would deny this. At least I'll give you credit for that acknowledgement.

With regard to your family members, I was referring to WWII, but please disclose if any were Ustasha after WWII also.

More from the Ustasha Englishman: "Finally, none of my relatives took part in WWII. But believe me I would have absolutely no shame in saying they did. There's nothing shameful in a soldier defending his country..."

Are you telling me the NDH of WWII were defending their country? I knew you were brainwashed, but I never realized the magnitude. Croatia, as part of the Axis and aligned with Nazi Germany, declared war on the US. They annexed all of B-H and were the only nation to run concentration camps for children. They carried out a policy to exterminate Serbs, Jews and Roma. And you call this defending their country? You really have a warped sense of history.

More in next post

More from the Ustasha Englishman: "How many of your family have blood on their hands from Vukovar, or Srebrenica, or Kosovo? How proud are you of starting 4 wars in the Balkans?"

My family is from Montenegro, so they didn't fight in Vukovar, Srebrenica or Kosovo. Serbs were living in Krajina very peacefully until Tudjman was elected and it became open season on Serbs there as I've pointed out. The Yugoslav constitution was violated as I've pointed out and Serbs were threatened. The Ustasha regime that tried to exterminate Serbs only 50 years earlier was revived and Serbs were threatened. What would would you have done Englishman?

The irony here is that western Hercegovina where the Ustasha regime began is losing Croats every day. Soon there will be no Croats left in B-H while Republika Srpska functions as an independent country for all intents and purposes. Thank your hero Tudjman for that. You libe by the sword and you die by the sword.

More from the Ustasha Englishman: "How many of your family have blood on their hands from Vukovar, or Srebrenica, or Kosovo? How proud are you of starting 4 wars in the Balkans?"

My family is from Montenegro, so they didn't fight in Vukovar, Srebrenica or Kosovo. Serbs were living in Krajina very peacefully until Tudjman was elected and it became open season on Serbs there as I've pointed out. The Yugoslav constitution was violated as I've pointed out and Serbs were threatened. The Ustasha regime that tried to exterminate Serbs only 50 years earlier was revived and Serbs were threatened. What would would you have done Englishman?

The irony here is that western Hercegovina where the Ustasha regime began is losing Croats every day. Soon there will be no Croats left in B-H while Republika Srpska functions as an independent country for all intents and purposes. Thank your hero Tudjman for that. You libe by the sword and you die by the sword.

From Englishman: "This is just you trying to avoid discussion on serbia's guilt for what it did in the 90s. A typical tactic used by serbs to avoid talking about the horrific atrocities they committed."

Wrong again! I've admitted that Serbs committed atrocities. You, however, have never admitted that Croats did. All 3 sides committed their share of wrongdoing. The Serbs, however, did not start the war, your beloved Tudjman did.

"For a nation that claims to be so righteous in WWII it's appalling to see what you did in the Balkans in the 90s.And then you have the audacity to point the finger at others for something that happened 70 years ago. Shame on you."

So you admit Croats did do horrible things to Serbs in WWII? Maybe we're getting somewhere with you after all.

From the Englishman: "What do you think Montenegro didn't take part in the war when the attacked southern Croatia?"

Montenegro did take part in the war with Croatia! Once again, you are displaying your ignorance about the region and the war. Many, many Montenegrins took part in the war. Remember Dubrovnik? You guys sure cried and embellished enough about it. Those were primarily Montenegrins that you were crying about. And during the 90s, Montenegro was united with Serbia, smart guy and not an independent country. I'm going to start charging you for teaching your about the history of the region.

"You should stop listening to your parents propaganda son. Go to your Montenegrin Orthodox Church a little more, you'll probably learn something."

HAHA! Nobody in Montenegro goes to the Montenegrin Church, but the Serbian Churches are full. Take a look at the Serbian Church in Podgorica which was completed a few years ago. It's one of the largest Serbian churches in the world. That's where the Montenegrins go to church. Of course you won't find this information in your Ustasha handbook of historical revisionism. No worries though, I'm here to bring you up to speed.

From the Englishman: "So you admit that Croatia legally seceded from the former Yugoslavia."

Please point out where I admitted that. You live in a dream world. You say that Montenegrins didn't take part in the war when they clearly did. You claim Croatia seceded legally, when they clearly did not. You refuse to admit that Croats committed any atrocities when they clearly did. Heck, your greatest military victory was against fleeing elderly civilians, women and children as they tried to exit Krajina on their tractors. Many that couldn't leave were found with their throats slit days later. So much to be proud of Ustasha Boy! Have you ever been there? Maybe you can plan a vacation during the next memorial service for Ante Pavelic that occurs every year in Zagreb. I'm sure the even will be filled with revisionist racists like yourself.

From the Englishman: "... if you knew where I've been in my lifetime son you'd hate me even more."

On the contrary. I love people like you. The more you post, the more you reinforce my arguments. You are one the most uninformed clowns I've ever come across. You Croats are sure an uninformed bunch and you may be the most uninformed of them all. You guys never let facts get in the way of your racist revisionist rantings. Now run along, you've got some Serbian language studying to do. You don't want to embarrass yourself again, do you? HAHAHA!!!!

Ustasha Englishman: You made the comment that Serbs are always bringing up WWII. Well, how can the Serbs forget about what Croats did in WWII when your beloved countrymen have parades in the nation's capital honoring these Nazi Ustasha butchers? Please answer.

@njegos
After this whole misdirected tirade of yours regarding WWII, which seems to be the only argument you hope to have, you still haven't explained why serbia was the AGRESSOR in 4 wars they started in the Balkans.

As for a history lesson, it seems to me that your knowledge of recent history comes directly from the Milosevic propaganda machine... serbs play the victim wherever they are, even though they live better than everyone else, this gives serbia a cheap excuse to attack whatever country it is and then when someone says something against the greater serbian policy they whine about WWII, claim everybody around them are fasicists, and play down their own bloodthirsty role in 4 wars they started.
You really need to get your head out of the sand.
Poor pathetic little serbia.

From the Englishman of Ustasha descent: "As for a history lesson, it seems to me that your knowledge of recent history comes directly from the Milosevic propaganda machine..."

I was never a fan of Milosevic, but since you bring him up, here are the facts: The Hague found that there was insufficient evidence to find Milosevic guilty of ethnically cleansing Croats and Muslims to Crate a Greater Serbia. Maybe you know something the Hague doesn't. Did you go to testify?

And speaking of propaganda, why did your countrymen spend millions on US PR firms to create an image of the Serbs in the western press? How much did you donate to the cause Englishman?

And the wars that you say the Serbs started is straight out of one of your highly paid press releases that that your PR firms created. Serbs never started anything. Croatia violated the constitution of the country in which they lived and prior to that armed themselves to the teeth. When Tudjman was elected he revived the Ustasha regime. He renamed streets after war criminals, fired Serbs from their jobs, Croats vandalized their property and killed many. Do you deny this happened before any JNA troops rolled in? Please answer honestly. You are a revisionist and propagandist who refuses to deal in facts. How many of your relatives were Ustasha? Be honest now. Can't wait for the answer.

From Englishman of Ustasha descent:

"Milosevic:
This doesn't mean that ethnic cleansing of Croats and Muslims by serbs didn't take place."

I never said it did. You brought up Milosevic. I merely showed you what the Hague concluded. Remember, the court that you and your people put so much faith in? I never said that ethnic cleansing didn't occur, but it occurred on all sides. That's where you and I differ.

"PR firms:
Why did Croatia pay PR firms to fight the mighty serb propaganda machine and spread the truth?"

What mighty Serb propaganda machine are you referring to? B92? Your comments are comical.

"Lies:
Serbs did start 4 wars no matter how much it hurts for you to admit. Croatia had the right to secede so there was no violation of the constitution."

Read the constitution. A republic had the right to secede if the majority of the country voted for it, not just the people in Croatia. A vote of the entire country never took place. Are you telling me that it did?

My next post addresses your other fallacies.

More from the Englishman of Ustasha descent: "Tudjman did not revive any Ustashe... No streets were named after war criminals."

Tudjman invited Dinko Sakic back to Croatia from South America. He was the commander of Jasenovac. He was later deported after international pressure. Do you deny this? Streets were named after Mile Budak, the Ustasha Minister of Education who proclaimed that 1/3 of Serbs should be killed, 1/3 converted to Catholicism and 1/3 exiled. Do you deny this? Annually, a memorial service is held in Zagreb for Ante Pavelic. Tudjman minimized the Holocaust in his book 'Wastelands of Human Reality' and said in a speech that he was glad his wife was neither a Serb nor a Jew. I could go on and on.

"Perhaps you're referring to people that were tried under the serb controlled communist courts of yugoslavia. Those can't be taken seriously."

I agree. So you must agree that the trial the communists held for Mihailovich was a farce also, right?

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Englishman of Ustasa descent, you failed to answer the question of how many of your relatives were or are Ustasha? What's wrong, embarrassed?

Regarding your comment about Serb troops being on Croatian soil illegally, there was nothing illegal about it. Croatia violated the Yugoslav constitution and the Helsinki Accords which states that borders of countries which signed the accords, of which Yugoslavia was one, cannot change their borders by force. Clearly, Yuhoslavia's borders were changed by force. If Texas broke away from the US and declared their independence, do you think the US wouldn't intervene? You need to take the Ustasha blinders off and get in touch with reality.

From Englishman of Ustasha descent: "Croatia did not break away by force. In fact a referendum was held showing overwhelming support for independence.
So Croatia used their constitutional RIGHT to secede."

Read the constitution smart guy. It says that a republic has the right to secede if a referendum of the country (meaning Yugoslavia) approves it. Not a referendum of Croatia only genius. A referendum of the country was never conducted. The constitution was violated. Are you telling me that a referendum of the entire country was held? The more you write the more uninformed you reveal yourself to be. Once again, please put down the Ustasha handbook of historical revisionism and join the real world. I getting tired of teaching you the history of your own country. Isn't it embarrassing that a Serb knows more about the recent history of your country than you?

Englishman - You still haven't answered the question about how many of your relatives were Ustasha. Embarrassed?????????

Read the constitution smart guy. It says that a republic has the right to secede if a referendum of the country (meaning Yugoslavia) approves it. Not a referendum of Croatia only genius. A referendum of the country was never conducted. The constitution was violated.
(njegos, 17 February 2017 14:45)

Actually that's wrong. There is no such stipulation in the constitution of 1974. Maybe you should go back and read it again. Feel free to quote it for me. Croatia used it's legal right to secede. Live with it.
And a referendum in the entire country of yugoslavia makes no sense anyway. Think about it. That would mean serbia had to ask Croatia if it wanted to secede.

Finally, none of my relatives took part in WWII. But believe me I would have absolutely no shame in saying they did. There's nothing shameful in a soldier defending his country, like so many of us did in the 90s when serbia committed aggression against Croatia. How many of your family have blood on their hands from Vukovar, or Srebrenica, or Kosovo? How proud are you of starting 4 wars in the Balkans?

From the Ustasha Englishman: "Actually that's wrong. There is no such stipulation in the constitution of 1974. Maybe you should go back and read it again. Feel free to quote it for me. Croatia used it's legal right to secede. Live with it."

OK, smart guy, here it is: 'Article 5 of requires the consent of all the republics and provinces before the borders of Yugoslavia can be altered. Article 283 gives the Yugoslav Assembly the power to determine alterations to the state's borders.'

You either didn't read it or you can't understand what you read. That makes you a dummy or a liar. Which is it?

More in my next post

From the Ustasha Englishman: "So after you're obvious error in reading the Yugoslav constitution of 1974, which proves I'm right you ignore the issue and continue to back you're claim that is plainly wrong."

Hmmm, I clearly referenced the specific articles in the Yugoslav constitution that states that ALL of the republics must vote in a referendum before a republic could secede and also that the Yugoslav Assembly had the final say. Are you denying these articles existed in the constitution? So where exactly am I in error?

When did I ever say Montenegro didn't fight in the war? Go back and read the post again.

Well, here it is: "What do you think Montenegro didn't take part in the war when the attacked southern Croatia?" That's what you posted on Feb, 24th. You say things you don't even know you say. Congratulations, you've succeeded in bringing the collective Croatian IQ down a couple of notches. And believe me, they don't need any help in that department. HAHAHA!!!




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More from the English Ustasha: "When you refer to Croatia's greatest military victory do you mean the one where we drove the serb dogs from their self-proclaimed krajina and they ran so fast that they actually drove over their own people with tanks?"

No, actually I mean the one where you attacked unarmed elderly civilians and children. And this you celebrate as your greatest military victory. This shouldn't surprise anyone, however, considering the 90-0 years your ancestors spent cleaning stables for the A-H Empire. Not to mention the way you turned on your Muslim allies during the war of the 90s. Such an honorable and trustworthy bunch, you Croats!

Hey Ustasha Boy, here's an interpretation from Peter Radan, a legal scholar who wrote books on the legalities surrounding this issue. "...Furthermore, article 5 stipulated that Yugoslavia's international borders were unalterable except with the consent of all its constituent
units. Article 283 stipulated that such alterations also required the approval of the Federal Assembly. A unilateral act of secession of any
unit would have altered Yugoslavia's international borders in breach
57 Ibid 613. 58 Richard F Iglar, 'The Constitutional Crisis in Yugoslavia and the International
Law of Self-Determination: Slovenia's and Croatia's Right to Secede' (1992) 15
Boston College International and Comparative Law Review 2 19.
Secession and Constitutional Law in the Former Yugoslavia
of these provisions and would, therefore, have been unconstitutional.59"

BTW, did you see the Ustasha parade in Zagreb yesterday? How many of your relatives were there? You know, this is the regime that tried to exterminate the Serbian people and aligned themselves with Hitler. And you claim they were defending their country. Was Hitler defending Germany too? You are a dinosaur.

@njegos - So I've responded to all of your lies, accusations and questions chronologically

Milosevic:
This doesn't mean that ethnic cleansing of Croats and Muslims by serbs didn't take place. You don't honestly think this helps serbia wash the blood from their hands do you?... and No, I didn't testify.

PR firms:
Why did Croatia pay PR firms to fight the mighty serb propaganda machine and spread the truth? Because it was war. For a nation that pride themselves on some warped sense of heroism you'd think you understand a little more about war. I didn't donate any, wasn't necessary.

Lies:
Serbs did start 4 wars no matter how much it hurts for you to admit. Croatia had the right to secede so there was no violation of the constitution. Croatia did not arm themselves to the teeth, in fact serbs stole most of the weapons from the former territorial defence bases before Croatia could get them, legally at that.

more in next post...

@ njegos continued

Tudjman did not revive any Ustashe, but this is something serbia decided to say before they started the war. No streets were named after war criminals. Perhaps you're referring to people that were tried under the serb controlled communist courts of yugoslavia. Those can't be taken seriously.
As for serbs getting fired I suppose this did happen after serbs started causing trouble in Knin and elsewhere. They should have thought about their countrymen before stirring up trouble like that. Not to mention that serbs were in privileged positions anyway. Vandalization did happen yes. But no, not many were killed until they openly took up arms against their homeland Croatia. So basically, yes, I deny this happened before any JNA troops and bloodthirsty serb paramilitary forces rolled in.

So there you go I've been honest.
When you ask about relatives being Ustashe it's hard for me to answer because to serbs being a Croat means being an Ustasha. Do you mean WWII, the 90s or just existing?

@njegos

Your good at taking a fact and then adding a little twist to it to make Croatia look bad. Such as Tudjman invited Dinko Sakic back to Croatia. Sakic was extradited to Croatia to stand trial. This happened after he gave a public interview and his whereabouts were discovered. But you see it differently, I don't expect any better.
Furthermore, I answered all of your questions in one post once. I'm not going to sit here and answer questions for you again and again.

You still haven't explained what serb troops were illegally doing on Croatian territory.

@njegos

Croatia did not break away by force. In fact a referendum was held showing overwhelming support for independence.
So Croatia used their constitutional RIGHT to secede.
Unfortunately serbia didn't like this because it went against plans for a greater serbia. So serbia illegally tried to stop Croatia from seceding by force.
You get your facts straight son.
Poor pathetic little serbia.

@njegos

"OK, smart guy, here it is:"

Article 5
Teritorija Socijalističke Federativne Republike Jugoslavije je jedinstvena i sačinjavaju je teritorije socijalističkih republika. Teritorija republike ne može se mjenjati bez pristanka republike, a teritorija autonomne pokrajine — ni bez pristanka autonomne pokrajine. Granica Socijalističke Federativne Republike Jugoslavije ne može se mjenjati bez suglasnosti svih republika i autonomnih pokrajina. Granica između republika može se mjenjati samo na osnovu njihovog sporazuma, a ako se radi o granici autonomne pokrajine — i na osnovu njene suglasnosti.

So the translation would be - The territory of a republic cannot be changed without the agreement of that republic.

Who's the dumb one? You obviously don't understand you're own language and can't differentiate between plural and a possessive adjective.
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Are you telling me the NDH of WWII... bla bla bla

This is just you trying to avoid discussion on serbia's guilt for what it did in the 90s. A typical tactic used by serbs to avoid talking about the horrific atrocities they committed. For a nation that claims to be so righteous in WWII it's appalling to see what you did in the Balkans in the 90s.And then you have the audacity to point the finger at others for something that happened 70 years ago. Shame on you.

@njegos

I'm laughing so hard. I love teaching serbs Croatian.

Your family is from Montenegro?

What do you think Montenegro didn't take part in the war when the attacked southern Croatia?

You should stop listening to your parents propaganda son. Go to your Montenegrin Orthodox Church a little more, you'll probably learn something.

@njegos

So you admit that Croatia legally seceded from the former Yugoslavia.
Good for you. You're making progress.
Now you need to accept all the atrocities committed by serbs in the 4 wars they started in the 90s.

Poor little serbia.

@njegos

So after you're obvious error in reading the Yugoslav constitution of 1974, which proves I'm right you ignore the issue and continue to back you're claim that is plainly wrong.

When did I ever say Montenegro didn't fight in the war? Go back and read the post again. We've already established the fact that you can't read serbian or Croatian, perhaps we should add English to the list.

When you refer to Croatia's greatest military victory do you mean the one where we drove the serb dogs from their self-proclaimed krajina and they ran so fast that they actually drove over their own people with tanks?

https://youtu.be/0o32wI3_od0

Have I ever been there? Well, if you knew where I've been in my lifetime son you'd hate me even more.

@njegos

I quoted the constitution and explained that your poor lack of knowledge in your own langauge proves you misunderstood it. But you keep going on with your half-witted arguments that I have proven wrong. You obviously don't understand serbian, Croatian or English. Pick one and stick to it because you're obviously getting confused. Maybe you listen to your parents too much and have only partially learned the serbian language while you also listen to their broken English and picked that up to. But thanks for this, you really make me laugh.

So you accuse me of saying Montenegro didn't take part in the war, then you quote me saying that Montenegro did take part. You either have a very short attention span or you have a few cards missing.

I don't recall attacking any unarmed civilans. From what I remember they were all told to leave before the liberation operation even happened. Then the ones that didn't leave got run over by their own serb tanks. I find it funny that serbs would be so afraid of the Croat liberators that they are prepared to run over their own people with tanks.

https://youtu.be/0o32wI3_od0

I would be ashamed to be serb if I were you. (Or are you Montenegran?)

Poor, pathetic, small minded serbia.

Well, Ustasha Boy, since you keep harping on the language issue, let's take a look at exactly what you posted: "Article 5
Teritorija Socijalističke Federativne Republike Jugoslavije je jedinstvena i sačinjavaju je teritorije socijalističkih republika. Teritorija republike ne može se mjenjati bez pristanka republike, a teritorija autonomne pokrajine — ni bez pristanka autonomne pokrajine. Granica Socijalističke Federativne Republike Jugoslavije ne može se mjenjati bez suglasnosti svih republika i autonomnih pokrajina. Granica između republika može se mjenjati samo na osnovu njihovog sporazuma, a ako se radi o granici autonomne pokrajine — i na osnovu njene suglasnosti."

And then you offered the following as a translation: "So the translation would be - The territory of a republic cannot be changed without the agreement of that republic."

HAHAHA!!! Are you serious? You quote says very clearly that ALL republics must vote in a referendum!!! Here is is again: "Teritorija republike ne može se mjenjati bez pristanka republike, a teritorija autonomne pokrajine — ni bez pristanka autonomne pokrajine. Granica Socijalističke Federativne Republike Jugoslavije ne može se mjenjati bez suglasnosti svih republika i autonomnih pokrajina."

You claim I can't read Serbian? Your own post refutes your position. Too funny! Please keep it coming!

Everyday, croatia kicks your ass very well.

Why is the EU Silent?
It's simple. Because soldiers from Croatia did not attack serbia in the 90s. It was soldiers from serbia that attacked Croatia.
This is something Dacic needs to get through his thick head along with the rest of his nation.
Whining about WWII is getting stale. Especially if it's about a priest who saved serbs.
Poor little serbia.

Little Ivica when you grow some balls and tell the EU to F*** Off then you might get somewhere otherwise you will continue to look like a buffoon. See little Ivica you are too preoccupied in getting paid by the EU and while you are counting your money Brussels will continue to piss on you.

Hope you get the message.

impossible to take him seriously considering his own country is the only one in the region which rehabilitated a Nazi collaborator

Why is the EU silent? Because they believe in the rule of law and Stepinac's trial was a farce that met no legal standards. When he was convicted, world opinion condemned the verdict, including Jews and Serbs not under the control of communist dictator Tito. Outside of the communist-inspired propaganda bubble, Stepinac was viewed rightly as a just man who saved many Jews and Serbs.

From Mirko: "Everyday, croatia kicks your ass very well."

Hmmm, what might you be referring to Mirko? Tennis? No, Serbia has the #1 player in the world. Olympic basketball? No, Serbia trounced Croatia. Olympic water polo? No again. Serbia smashed Croatia. WWI? No, Croatia fought on the losing side while the Serbs were the winners. WWII? Croatia again was on the losing side with their Nazi friends while the Serbs were the winners. Perhaps you're referring to the war of the 90s. Ahhh, that must be it. Oh wait, the US and NATO fought that battle for the Croats. Sorry Mirko, you've struck out. Even there Croats were the big losers in B-H where now they make up less than 11% of the population and their numbers are shrinking every day. The Serbs on the other hand have 33% of the population, yet control 49% of the territory and operate independently. You and your Croat countrymen always seem to come out on the short end of the stick when you compare them to the Serbs who you hate so much. But keep telling yourself that Croats are the big winners over the Serbs. Keep trying to convince yourself of Croat superiority over Serbs Mirko. One day even you will believe it. LOL

Why is EU silent? Because: EU = Germany. Germany = Serbia’s eternal enemy. That’s why (as if you didn’t know, Mr. Dačić). Besides, Mr. Dačić, you seem to support Germany’s favorite puppet A. Vučić to become the next president. Many people think you two are the very incarnation of hypocrisy and selling out.

From the Englishman of Ustasha descent: "...soldiers from Croatia did not attack serbia in the 90s."

Correct. They attacked Serbs civilians living in Croatia, then a part of Yugoslavia.

More from the Englishman of Ustasha descent: "Whining about WWII is getting stale...."

No problem Englishman of Ustasha descent. Simply apologize for the role the Croatian gov't. in conjunction with their Nazi allies and the Croatian catholic church played in trying to exterminate the Serbs of Croatia and B-H during WWII. I know revisionists like you would like the world to forget the ugliest period of your beloved Croatia's history, but the world will not. Oh and another thing, stop renaming streets after Ustasha war criminals and holding memorial services in Zagreb for the butcher Pavelic every year. Get it now?

They attacked Serbs civilians living in Croatia, then a part of Yugoslavia.
(njegos, 10 February 2017 23:08)

Who are these "they" who attacked Serbs civilians living in Croatia, then a part of Yugoslavia?
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Simply apologize for the role the Croatian gov't. in conjunction with their Nazi allies and the Croatian catholic church played in trying to exterminate the Serbs of Croatia and B-H during WWII.
(njegos, 10 February 2017 23:08)

The Croatian gov't played a role in trying to exterminate the Serbs of Croatia and B-H during WWII?! Mate, WWII in Europe ended almost 73 years ago and few members of the Croatian gov't, if any, were even born at that time. Not to mention that there was not any Croatian gov't during WWII because Croatia did not even exist then! You appear to be having hallucinations, dear!

""Why is the European Union silent about a rehabilitation of fascism and war crimes? Does silence mean approval? Or will somebody from the EU at long last refute me?," Dacic asked"

If the EU were to seriously take and respond to Ivica's ramblings, it would need to establish a directorate-general for that purpose in order to handle the volume of work.

But, if Ivica wishes to fund it with Serbia's taxpayers money, that could be possible and that way Ivica will finally have his ramblings answered by the EU.

Correct. They attacked Serbs civilians living in Croatia, then a part of Yugoslavia.

(njegos, 10 February 2017 23:08)

No they defended against serbs that were trying to take territory away from them with the help of the military that arrived in Croatia from serbia.

The difference which you conveniently ignore is that Croatia DEFENDED, while serbia ATTACKED. This is why the international community sees serbia as the AGRESSORS in the four wars they started in the Balkans.

As for WWII... like I said it's stale, find a new argument that someone cares about. Trying to paint serbia as the ultimate antifascist state is a joke. Save it for someone else Mr Nedic.

Oh geez...when will Serbian government stop whining to Brussels about Croatia, WW2, ustashe and events from over 70 years ago. The Croats have revealed a monument to a priest who by no means was perfect, but considering the times and circumstances he'd lived in, he actually saved the lives of many Serbs AND Jews. At the same time Serbia right now in the 21st century, is rehabilitating a nazi collaborator, Mihailovich and what's worse is celebrating its own war criminals from all the wars it had instigated in the 1990s, as national heroes. Why don't you stop sticking your large noses in other countries' affairs and start cleaning your own back yard for a change? Otherwise,just give it a rest already...you are so damn boring!

Hoping to buy a Croatian Flag Doormat from Amazon,hurry they are selling out fast.It should take pride of place in front of your toilet door along with a portrait of Stepinac on the toilet door below which you are to place the words "Shit" House. How about that for a dedication to Ustashism? Far better than a silly statue in a car park,hey?

@njegos
After this whole misdirected tirade of yours regarding WWII, which seems to be the only argument you hope to have, you still haven't explained why serbia was the AGRESSOR in 4 wars they started in the Balkans.

As for a history lesson, it seems to me that your knowledge of recent history comes directly from the Milosevic propaganda machine... serbs play the victim wherever they are, even though they live better than everyone else, this gives serbia a cheap excuse to attack whatever country it is and then when someone says something against the greater serbian policy they whine about WWII, claim everybody around them are fasicists, and play down their own bloodthirsty role in 4 wars they started.
You really need to get your head out of the sand.
Poor pathetic little serbia.

@njegos

I'm laughing so hard. I love teaching serbs Croatian.

Your family is from Montenegro?

What do you think Montenegro didn't take part in the war when the attacked southern Croatia?

You should stop listening to your parents propaganda son. Go to your Montenegrin Orthodox Church a little more, you'll probably learn something.

You appear to be having hallucinations, dear!
(icj1, 11 February 2017 01:42)

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The boys of Python are again bursting their ribs from laughter.
Dude, you're the the icj1 who recently admitted to imagining voices in other people's heads. As the CB of B92, icj1 openly celebrates crimes against religious institutions. icj1 is well known on this site for bigoted hallucinations. This is also the same icj1 who believes that a commonly recognized term such as GDP is a "nonsensical concept" and "weird thing". icj1's hallucinations has them associating neurological disorders with ethnicity. icj1's delusion have no bounds and are consistently showcased in his/her failure to grasp basic concepts in fields of history, science, law, current events and many other topics. Idiocy, intolerance and ignorance define icj1.

PS CB = Chief Bigot




From the Englishman of Ustasha descent: "No they defended against serbs that were trying to take territory away from them..."

Wrong Ustasha Boy. Croatia armed themselves for years prior to their illegal and premature breakaway. They violated international law and overnight began firing Serbs from jobs, destroying their property and killing many. You wanted war and you got it. Don't cry about the destruction of Vukovar and your losses in B-H. You asked for it and you got it.

More from the Ustasha Boy: "As for WWII... like I said it's stale, find a new argument that someone cares about. Trying to paint serbia as the ultimate antifascist state is a joke. Save it for someone else Mr Nedic."

HAHAHA! Trying to compare Nedic to Pavelic! Shameful. One of the oldest and most pathetic tactics used by the Croats to deflect their crimes. Ask Efraim Zuroff, the foremost authority of WWII crimes committed by the Nazis and their collaborators what he thinks of your comparison. You'll have to do better than that Ustasha Boy. Maybe you guys should hire more US PR firms to cleanse your image like you did in the 90s. LOL

From Englishman of Usdtasha descent: "This still doesn't explain why forces from serbia were on holy Croatian soil. Clinton and Albright said it well when they pointed the finger at serbia for starting 4 wars in the Balkans."

Holy Croatian soil? Who made it holy? Your beloved Stepinac after the massacre of 750,000 Serbs at Jasenovac? And you really need to study recent history instead of believing the PR firms that your people paid for to manipulate the western press. No violence started until Tudjman won the election and began firing Serbs, renaming streets after Ustasha war criminals, inviting Dinko Sakic (former commander of Jasenovac) back to Croatia, vandalizing Serb property and killing many. When violated the Yugoslav constitution and international law and declared independence, it was open season on Serbs. How soon you forget Ustasha Boy.

"...they didn't want war but I would say you got it and you got your asses kicked."

Hmmm, let's see Serbs make up 33% of B-H and control 49% of the land and operate independently for all intents and purposes. Croats make up 11%, down from 15% and get smaller by the day. Who got their asses kicked?

And now Serbia is seeing foreign investment from a multitude of countries while Croatia continues to run its debt up and is mired in corruption while hanging onto its Ustasha past. If these are the results of the ass kicking you gave the Serbs, keep up the good work.

More from the Englishman of Ustasha descent: "As for WWII, like I said it's stale... serbia needs to stop acting like they are the righteous side, there were death camps in serbia and belgrade was the first Jew free city in Europe. I hope you're proud of yourselves."

Again, learn your history if you are going to refer to it. Continuing to correct you is becoming tiresome Ustasha Boy. Read very carefully. Milan Nedic was implemented by Hitler. He employed a strategy of 'no resistance' because Hitler had an edict to kill 100 Serbs for every German soldier killed and 50 Serbs for every German wounded. Nedic had no power and no control over anything. Germans occupied Belgrade and ran any camps there, not Nedic. All of this happened while the Serbs were resisting and fighting the Germans and your beloved Ustasha.

Contrast this to the Croatian people who welcomed Hitler into Zagreb with a parade. How many of your relatives were there to welcome Hitler Englishman? Be honest now. Pavelic carried out a policy of killing 1/3 of the Serbs, exiling 1/3 and converting 1/3 to catholisism.

If the Serbs were Nazi collaborators why did Hitler issue a $100K reward on Mihailovich and why did Hitler bomb Belgrade to pieces? Conversely, no bombs were dropped on Zagreb and Ante Pavelic was one of Hitler's primary henchman. I could go on and on. But I'll leave you with this. Look up what Efrain Zuroff, the formost authority on WWII crimes against Jews and see what he says about WWII.

@njegos - So I've responded to all of your lies, accusations and questions chronologically

Milosevic:
This doesn't mean that ethnic cleansing of Croats and Muslims by serbs didn't take place. You don't honestly think this helps serbia wash the blood from their hands do you?... and No, I didn't testify.

PR firms:
Why did Croatia pay PR firms to fight the mighty serb propaganda machine and spread the truth? Because it was war. For a nation that pride themselves on some warped sense of heroism you'd think you understand a little more about war. I didn't donate any, wasn't necessary.

Lies:
Serbs did start 4 wars no matter how much it hurts for you to admit. Croatia had the right to secede so there was no violation of the constitution. Croatia did not arm themselves to the teeth, in fact serbs stole most of the weapons from the former territorial defence bases before Croatia could get them, legally at that.

more in next post...

@ njegos continued

Tudjman did not revive any Ustashe, but this is something serbia decided to say before they started the war. No streets were named after war criminals. Perhaps you're referring to people that were tried under the serb controlled communist courts of yugoslavia. Those can't be taken seriously.
As for serbs getting fired I suppose this did happen after serbs started causing trouble in Knin and elsewhere. They should have thought about their countrymen before stirring up trouble like that. Not to mention that serbs were in privileged positions anyway. Vandalization did happen yes. But no, not many were killed until they openly took up arms against their homeland Croatia. So basically, yes, I deny this happened before any JNA troops and bloodthirsty serb paramilitary forces rolled in.

So there you go I've been honest.
When you ask about relatives being Ustashe it's hard for me to answer because to serbs being a Croat means being an Ustasha. Do you mean WWII, the 90s or just existing?

@njegos

Croatia did not break away by force. In fact a referendum was held showing overwhelming support for independence.
So Croatia used their constitutional RIGHT to secede.
Unfortunately serbia didn't like this because it went against plans for a greater serbia. So serbia illegally tried to stop Croatia from seceding by force.
You get your facts straight son.
Poor pathetic little serbia.

Read the constitution smart guy. It says that a republic has the right to secede if a referendum of the country (meaning Yugoslavia) approves it. Not a referendum of Croatia only genius. A referendum of the country was never conducted. The constitution was violated.
(njegos, 17 February 2017 14:45)

Actually that's wrong. There is no such stipulation in the constitution of 1974. Maybe you should go back and read it again. Feel free to quote it for me. Croatia used it's legal right to secede. Live with it.
And a referendum in the entire country of yugoslavia makes no sense anyway. Think about it. That would mean serbia had to ask Croatia if it wanted to secede.

Finally, none of my relatives took part in WWII. But believe me I would have absolutely no shame in saying they did. There's nothing shameful in a soldier defending his country, like so many of us did in the 90s when serbia committed aggression against Croatia. How many of your family have blood on their hands from Vukovar, or Srebrenica, or Kosovo? How proud are you of starting 4 wars in the Balkans?

@njegos

"OK, smart guy, here it is:"

Article 5
Teritorija Socijalističke Federativne Republike Jugoslavije je jedinstvena i sačinjavaju je teritorije socijalističkih republika. Teritorija republike ne može se mjenjati bez pristanka republike, a teritorija autonomne pokrajine — ni bez pristanka autonomne pokrajine. Granica Socijalističke Federativne Republike Jugoslavije ne može se mjenjati bez suglasnosti svih republika i autonomnih pokrajina. Granica između republika može se mjenjati samo na osnovu njihovog sporazuma, a ako se radi o granici autonomne pokrajine — i na osnovu njene suglasnosti.

So the translation would be - The territory of a republic cannot be changed without the agreement of that republic.

Who's the dumb one? You obviously don't understand you're own language and can't differentiate between plural and a possessive adjective.
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Are you telling me the NDH of WWII... bla bla bla

This is just you trying to avoid discussion on serbia's guilt for what it did in the 90s. A typical tactic used by serbs to avoid talking about the horrific atrocities they committed. For a nation that claims to be so righteous in WWII it's appalling to see what you did in the Balkans in the 90s.And then you have the audacity to point the finger at others for something that happened 70 years ago. Shame on you.

@njegos

So you admit that Croatia legally seceded from the former Yugoslavia.
Good for you. You're making progress.
Now you need to accept all the atrocities committed by serbs in the 4 wars they started in the 90s.

Poor little serbia.

@njegos

So after you're obvious error in reading the Yugoslav constitution of 1974, which proves I'm right you ignore the issue and continue to back you're claim that is plainly wrong.

When did I ever say Montenegro didn't fight in the war? Go back and read the post again. We've already established the fact that you can't read serbian or Croatian, perhaps we should add English to the list.

When you refer to Croatia's greatest military victory do you mean the one where we drove the serb dogs from their self-proclaimed krajina and they ran so fast that they actually drove over their own people with tanks?

https://youtu.be/0o32wI3_od0

Have I ever been there? Well, if you knew where I've been in my lifetime son you'd hate me even more.

@njegos

I quoted the constitution and explained that your poor lack of knowledge in your own langauge proves you misunderstood it. But you keep going on with your half-witted arguments that I have proven wrong. You obviously don't understand serbian, Croatian or English. Pick one and stick to it because you're obviously getting confused. Maybe you listen to your parents too much and have only partially learned the serbian language while you also listen to their broken English and picked that up to. But thanks for this, you really make me laugh.

So you accuse me of saying Montenegro didn't take part in the war, then you quote me saying that Montenegro did take part. You either have a very short attention span or you have a few cards missing.

I don't recall attacking any unarmed civilans. From what I remember they were all told to leave before the liberation operation even happened. Then the ones that didn't leave got run over by their own serb tanks. I find it funny that serbs would be so afraid of the Croat liberators that they are prepared to run over their own people with tanks.

https://youtu.be/0o32wI3_od0

I would be ashamed to be serb if I were you. (Or are you Montenegran?)

Poor, pathetic, small minded serbia.

From icj the Serb Hater: "Who are these "they" who attacked Serbs civilians living in Croatia, then a part of Yugoslavia?"

I'll be glad to answer your questions when you go back and answer the countless questions that I've asked you in the past, only to have you run away like the coward that you are.

Wrong Ustasha Boy. Croatia armed themselves for years prior to their illegal and premature breakaway. They violated international law bLa bla bla...
(njegos, 14 February 2017 14:53)

This still doesn't explain why forces from serbia were on holy Croatian soil. Clinton and Albright said it well when they pointed the finger at serbia for starting 4 wars in the Balkans.

You claim that Croatia wanted war and they got. Well... they didn't want war but I would say you got it and you got your asses kicked.

As for WWII, like I said it's stale... serbia needs to stop acting like they are the righteous side, there were death camps in serbia and belgrade was the first Jew free city in Europe. I hope you're proud of yourselves.

Poor pathetic little serbia.

From the Englishman of Ustasha descent: "As for a history lesson, it seems to me that your knowledge of recent history comes directly from the Milosevic propaganda machine..."

I was never a fan of Milosevic, but since you bring him up, here are the facts: The Hague found that there was insufficient evidence to find Milosevic guilty of ethnically cleansing Croats and Muslims to Crate a Greater Serbia. Maybe you know something the Hague doesn't. Did you go to testify?

And speaking of propaganda, why did your countrymen spend millions on US PR firms to create an image of the Serbs in the western press? How much did you donate to the cause Englishman?

And the wars that you say the Serbs started is straight out of one of your highly paid press releases that that your PR firms created. Serbs never started anything. Croatia violated the constitution of the country in which they lived and prior to that armed themselves to the teeth. When Tudjman was elected he revived the Ustasha regime. He renamed streets after war criminals, fired Serbs from their jobs, Croats vandalized their property and killed many. Do you deny this happened before any JNA troops rolled in? Please answer honestly. You are a revisionist and propagandist who refuses to deal in facts. How many of your relatives were Ustasha? Be honest now. Can't wait for the answer.

From Englishman of Ustasha descent:

"Milosevic:
This doesn't mean that ethnic cleansing of Croats and Muslims by serbs didn't take place."

I never said it did. You brought up Milosevic. I merely showed you what the Hague concluded. Remember, the court that you and your people put so much faith in? I never said that ethnic cleansing didn't occur, but it occurred on all sides. That's where you and I differ.

"PR firms:
Why did Croatia pay PR firms to fight the mighty serb propaganda machine and spread the truth?"

What mighty Serb propaganda machine are you referring to? B92? Your comments are comical.

"Lies:
Serbs did start 4 wars no matter how much it hurts for you to admit. Croatia had the right to secede so there was no violation of the constitution."

Read the constitution. A republic had the right to secede if the majority of the country voted for it, not just the people in Croatia. A vote of the entire country never took place. Are you telling me that it did?

My next post addresses your other fallacies.

More from the Englishman of Ustasha descent: "Tudjman did not revive any Ustashe... No streets were named after war criminals."

Tudjman invited Dinko Sakic back to Croatia from South America. He was the commander of Jasenovac. He was later deported after international pressure. Do you deny this? Streets were named after Mile Budak, the Ustasha Minister of Education who proclaimed that 1/3 of Serbs should be killed, 1/3 converted to Catholicism and 1/3 exiled. Do you deny this? Annually, a memorial service is held in Zagreb for Ante Pavelic. Tudjman minimized the Holocaust in his book 'Wastelands of Human Reality' and said in a speech that he was glad his wife was neither a Serb nor a Jew. I could go on and on.

"Perhaps you're referring to people that were tried under the serb controlled communist courts of yugoslavia. Those can't be taken seriously."

I agree. So you must agree that the trial the communists held for Mihailovich was a farce also, right?

More in next post

More from the Englishman of Ustasha descent: "As for serbs getting fired I suppose this did happen after serbs started causing trouble in Knin and elsewhere."

Wrong again. The first shots were fired by Croats at a Serbian wedding in Borovo Selo.

"Not to mention that serbs were in privileged positions anyway. Vandalization did happen yes. But no, not many were killed until they openly took up arms against their homeland Croatia. So basically, yes, I deny this happened before any JNA troops and bloodthirsty serb paramilitary forces rolled in."

Your hatred for Serbs doesn't allow to look at the facts reasonably. Wasn't it Tito, a Croat who was the father of communism in Yugoslavia? There were many, many Croats in powerful positions in communist Yugoslavia but you guys conveniently forget this.

How would you feel if overnight you found yourself living in another country with no say so whatsoever and that country revived the symbols of a regime that only 50 years earlier tried to wipe you off the face of the earth? And this is on land that the Serbs had lived on since the 1600s. What would you have done Englishman?

More in next post

From the Englishman of Ustasha descent: "When you ask about relatives being Ustashe it's hard for me to answer because to serbs being a Croat means being an Ustasha. Do you mean WWII, the 90s or just existing?"

Being a Croat doesn't mean being an Ustasha to me. Stop painting with a broad brush. Your answer implies that you admit that Ustasha exist today. Most of your fellow Croats would deny this. At least I'll give you credit for that acknowledgement.

With regard to your family members, I was referring to WWII, but please disclose if any were Ustasha after WWII also.

@njegos

Your good at taking a fact and then adding a little twist to it to make Croatia look bad. Such as Tudjman invited Dinko Sakic back to Croatia. Sakic was extradited to Croatia to stand trial. This happened after he gave a public interview and his whereabouts were discovered. But you see it differently, I don't expect any better.
Furthermore, I answered all of your questions in one post once. I'm not going to sit here and answer questions for you again and again.

You still haven't explained what serb troops were illegally doing on Croatian territory.

Englishman of Ustasa descent, you failed to answer the question of how many of your relatives were or are Ustasha? What's wrong, embarrassed?

Regarding your comment about Serb troops being on Croatian soil illegally, there was nothing illegal about it. Croatia violated the Yugoslav constitution and the Helsinki Accords which states that borders of countries which signed the accords, of which Yugoslavia was one, cannot change their borders by force. Clearly, Yuhoslavia's borders were changed by force. If Texas broke away from the US and declared their independence, do you think the US wouldn't intervene? You need to take the Ustasha blinders off and get in touch with reality.

From Englishman of Ustasha descent: "Croatia did not break away by force. In fact a referendum was held showing overwhelming support for independence.
So Croatia used their constitutional RIGHT to secede."

Read the constitution smart guy. It says that a republic has the right to secede if a referendum of the country (meaning Yugoslavia) approves it. Not a referendum of Croatia only genius. A referendum of the country was never conducted. The constitution was violated. Are you telling me that a referendum of the entire country was held? The more you write the more uninformed you reveal yourself to be. Once again, please put down the Ustasha handbook of historical revisionism and join the real world. I getting tired of teaching you the history of your own country. Isn't it embarrassing that a Serb knows more about the recent history of your country than you?

Englishman - You still haven't answered the question about how many of your relatives were Ustasha. Embarrassed?????????

From the Ustasha Englishman: "Actually that's wrong. There is no such stipulation in the constitution of 1974. Maybe you should go back and read it again. Feel free to quote it for me. Croatia used it's legal right to secede. Live with it."

OK, smart guy, here it is: 'Article 5 of requires the consent of all the republics and provinces before the borders of Yugoslavia can be altered. Article 283 gives the Yugoslav Assembly the power to determine alterations to the state's borders.'

You either didn't read it or you can't understand what you read. That makes you a dummy or a liar. Which is it?

More in my next post

More from the Ustasha Englishman: "Finally, none of my relatives took part in WWII. But believe me I would have absolutely no shame in saying they did. There's nothing shameful in a soldier defending his country..."

Are you telling me the NDH of WWII were defending their country? I knew you were brainwashed, but I never realized the magnitude. Croatia, as part of the Axis and aligned with Nazi Germany, declared war on the US. They annexed all of B-H and were the only nation to run concentration camps for children. They carried out a policy to exterminate Serbs, Jews and Roma. And you call this defending their country? You really have a warped sense of history.

More in next post

More from the Ustasha Englishman: "How many of your family have blood on their hands from Vukovar, or Srebrenica, or Kosovo? How proud are you of starting 4 wars in the Balkans?"

My family is from Montenegro, so they didn't fight in Vukovar, Srebrenica or Kosovo. Serbs were living in Krajina very peacefully until Tudjman was elected and it became open season on Serbs there as I've pointed out. The Yugoslav constitution was violated as I've pointed out and Serbs were threatened. The Ustasha regime that tried to exterminate Serbs only 50 years earlier was revived and Serbs were threatened. What would would you have done Englishman?

The irony here is that western Hercegovina where the Ustasha regime began is losing Croats every day. Soon there will be no Croats left in B-H while Republika Srpska functions as an independent country for all intents and purposes. Thank your hero Tudjman for that. You libe by the sword and you die by the sword.

More from the Ustasha Englishman: "How many of your family have blood on their hands from Vukovar, or Srebrenica, or Kosovo? How proud are you of starting 4 wars in the Balkans?"

My family is from Montenegro, so they didn't fight in Vukovar, Srebrenica or Kosovo. Serbs were living in Krajina very peacefully until Tudjman was elected and it became open season on Serbs there as I've pointed out. The Yugoslav constitution was violated as I've pointed out and Serbs were threatened. The Ustasha regime that tried to exterminate Serbs only 50 years earlier was revived and Serbs were threatened. What would would you have done Englishman?

The irony here is that western Hercegovina where the Ustasha regime began is losing Croats every day. Soon there will be no Croats left in B-H while Republika Srpska functions as an independent country for all intents and purposes. Thank your hero Tudjman for that. You libe by the sword and you die by the sword.

From Englishman: "This is just you trying to avoid discussion on serbia's guilt for what it did in the 90s. A typical tactic used by serbs to avoid talking about the horrific atrocities they committed."

Wrong again! I've admitted that Serbs committed atrocities. You, however, have never admitted that Croats did. All 3 sides committed their share of wrongdoing. The Serbs, however, did not start the war, your beloved Tudjman did.

"For a nation that claims to be so righteous in WWII it's appalling to see what you did in the Balkans in the 90s.And then you have the audacity to point the finger at others for something that happened 70 years ago. Shame on you."

So you admit Croats did do horrible things to Serbs in WWII? Maybe we're getting somewhere with you after all.

From the Englishman: "What do you think Montenegro didn't take part in the war when the attacked southern Croatia?"

Montenegro did take part in the war with Croatia! Once again, you are displaying your ignorance about the region and the war. Many, many Montenegrins took part in the war. Remember Dubrovnik? You guys sure cried and embellished enough about it. Those were primarily Montenegrins that you were crying about. And during the 90s, Montenegro was united with Serbia, smart guy and not an independent country. I'm going to start charging you for teaching your about the history of the region.

"You should stop listening to your parents propaganda son. Go to your Montenegrin Orthodox Church a little more, you'll probably learn something."

HAHA! Nobody in Montenegro goes to the Montenegrin Church, but the Serbian Churches are full. Take a look at the Serbian Church in Podgorica which was completed a few years ago. It's one of the largest Serbian churches in the world. That's where the Montenegrins go to church. Of course you won't find this information in your Ustasha handbook of historical revisionism. No worries though, I'm here to bring you up to speed.

From the Englishman: "So you admit that Croatia legally seceded from the former Yugoslavia."

Please point out where I admitted that. You live in a dream world. You say that Montenegrins didn't take part in the war when they clearly did. You claim Croatia seceded legally, when they clearly did not. You refuse to admit that Croats committed any atrocities when they clearly did. Heck, your greatest military victory was against fleeing elderly civilians, women and children as they tried to exit Krajina on their tractors. Many that couldn't leave were found with their throats slit days later. So much to be proud of Ustasha Boy! Have you ever been there? Maybe you can plan a vacation during the next memorial service for Ante Pavelic that occurs every year in Zagreb. I'm sure the even will be filled with revisionist racists like yourself.

From the Ustasha Englishman: "So after you're obvious error in reading the Yugoslav constitution of 1974, which proves I'm right you ignore the issue and continue to back you're claim that is plainly wrong."

Hmmm, I clearly referenced the specific articles in the Yugoslav constitution that states that ALL of the republics must vote in a referendum before a republic could secede and also that the Yugoslav Assembly had the final say. Are you denying these articles existed in the constitution? So where exactly am I in error?

When did I ever say Montenegro didn't fight in the war? Go back and read the post again.

Well, here it is: "What do you think Montenegro didn't take part in the war when the attacked southern Croatia?" That's what you posted on Feb, 24th. You say things you don't even know you say. Congratulations, you've succeeded in bringing the collective Croatian IQ down a couple of notches. And believe me, they don't need any help in that department. HAHAHA!!!




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More from the English Ustasha: "When you refer to Croatia's greatest military victory do you mean the one where we drove the serb dogs from their self-proclaimed krajina and they ran so fast that they actually drove over their own people with tanks?"

No, actually I mean the one where you attacked unarmed elderly civilians and children. And this you celebrate as your greatest military victory. This shouldn't surprise anyone, however, considering the 90-0 years your ancestors spent cleaning stables for the A-H Empire. Not to mention the way you turned on your Muslim allies during the war of the 90s. Such an honorable and trustworthy bunch, you Croats!

Well, Ustasha Boy, since you keep harping on the language issue, let's take a look at exactly what you posted: "Article 5
Teritorija Socijalističke Federativne Republike Jugoslavije je jedinstvena i sačinjavaju je teritorije socijalističkih republika. Teritorija republike ne može se mjenjati bez pristanka republike, a teritorija autonomne pokrajine — ni bez pristanka autonomne pokrajine. Granica Socijalističke Federativne Republike Jugoslavije ne može se mjenjati bez suglasnosti svih republika i autonomnih pokrajina. Granica između republika može se mjenjati samo na osnovu njihovog sporazuma, a ako se radi o granici autonomne pokrajine — i na osnovu njene suglasnosti."

And then you offered the following as a translation: "So the translation would be - The territory of a republic cannot be changed without the agreement of that republic."

HAHAHA!!! Are you serious? You quote says very clearly that ALL republics must vote in a referendum!!! Here is is again: "Teritorija republike ne može se mjenjati bez pristanka republike, a teritorija autonomne pokrajine — ni bez pristanka autonomne pokrajine. Granica Socijalističke Federativne Republike Jugoslavije ne može se mjenjati bez suglasnosti svih republika i autonomnih pokrajina."

You claim I can't read Serbian? Your own post refutes your position. Too funny! Please keep it coming!

From the Englishman: "... if you knew where I've been in my lifetime son you'd hate me even more."

On the contrary. I love people like you. The more you post, the more you reinforce my arguments. You are one the most uninformed clowns I've ever come across. You Croats are sure an uninformed bunch and you may be the most uninformed of them all. You guys never let facts get in the way of your racist revisionist rantings. Now run along, you've got some Serbian language studying to do. You don't want to embarrass yourself again, do you? HAHAHA!!!!

Hey Ustasha Boy, here's an interpretation from Peter Radan, a legal scholar who wrote books on the legalities surrounding this issue. "...Furthermore, article 5 stipulated that Yugoslavia's international borders were unalterable except with the consent of all its constituent
units. Article 283 stipulated that such alterations also required the approval of the Federal Assembly. A unilateral act of secession of any
unit would have altered Yugoslavia's international borders in breach
57 Ibid 613. 58 Richard F Iglar, 'The Constitutional Crisis in Yugoslavia and the International
Law of Self-Determination: Slovenia's and Croatia's Right to Secede' (1992) 15
Boston College International and Comparative Law Review 2 19.
Secession and Constitutional Law in the Former Yugoslavia
of these provisions and would, therefore, have been unconstitutional.59"

BTW, did you see the Ustasha parade in Zagreb yesterday? How many of your relatives were there? You know, this is the regime that tried to exterminate the Serbian people and aligned themselves with Hitler. And you claim they were defending their country. Was Hitler defending Germany too? You are a dinosaur.

Ustasha Englishman: You made the comment that Serbs are always bringing up WWII. Well, how can the Serbs forget about what Croats did in WWII when your beloved countrymen have parades in the nation's capital honoring these Nazi Ustasha butchers? Please answer.