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Wednesday, 19.10.2016.

14:44

"Serbia-Russia ties as bridge to better EU-Russia relations"

European Parliament rapporteur for Serbia David McAllister has said that he "understands" Serbia's close ties with Russia.

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Dwight

pre 7 godina

(rote)
I said Crimea still belongs to Ukraine under international law. An ealier poster seems to think that you write on a piece of paper the name of the country you want to belong to and it the becomes law.

"illegal Nazi regime" - Interesting that you should mention your Jew hating allies from 1940.
I read an article recently about how Putin could go down in history as the president who finally destroyed the Russian world.
Although the Soviet Union stopped existing, most former countries continued as though it still existed.

Putins attack on Ukraine has destroyed this and as long as the West does not reject Ukraine, it will never return to being a Russian satellite.
Ukraine is no longer an ethnic identity only, it is becoming a politicial identity too, separating completely from Russia, the first real break of the old Soviet Union
Ukraine may never get Crimea back, maybe not even LNR/DNR, but Russia will never get Ukraine back either


The article was written by a Russian Jew who was born in Ukraine but lived most his life in Russia. He used to make no difference between being Ukrainian or Russian.
He feels that Russia no longer allows him to be Russian and Ukrainian and he was forced to choose Ukraine.

rote

pre 7 godina

Dwight: Crimea still belongs to Ukraine.

Today the question is if Ukraine belongs to Russia or not. Seems that this winter is to be the last for the illegal Nazi regime you are moaning after. In the Russian media and blogosphere we discuss only the time and the mechanism this runaway region is to be home again. Will it be Ukraine as a whole or the remaining 25 regions one after another. Guess there will be referendums in each region to kill the idea of Ukrainism. Crimea is not discussed even in the West while every week official delegations from NATO states visit Crimea to see how happy the Russian people are there.

icj1

pre 7 godina

Sorry David, but wasn't Kosovo a massive violation of international law?
(Stan, 19 October 2016 15:08)

Of course. The UN has already established beyond reasonable doubt that grave violations of international humanitarian law, such as war crimes and crimes against humanity, were committed by VJ and MUP forces in Kosovo.

icj1

pre 7 godina

Crimea annexation to Russia was decided by a democratically run referendum, therefore did not breach any international law.
(Al, 20 October 2016 09:57)

The UNGA disagrees. Since you are a nobody compared to the UNGA, you opinion above can safely be ignored as an irrelevance.
----------

The killing of civilians in Aleppo would considerably decrease if "someone" stopped supplying weapons to the so-called rebels
(Al, 20 October 2016 09:57)

So you are saying that civilians are being targeted on purpose to stop the supply of weapons to "rebels"! You just described a war crime, mate...

Dwight

pre 7 godina

(Al, 20 October 2016 09:57)

You are correct that the referndum did not violate international law but that is beacuse internal referendums are not covered under international law. It did breach all international rules and guidelines, most importantly the ECHR.
The referendum was also illegal under Ukrainian constitution. Alterations to the territory of Ukraine require a Ukrainian referendum not a local one. Under international law, Crimea still belongs to Ukraine.

The declaration of independence of Crimea would likely be ruled as illegal by the ICJ because of the Russian troops. To use your Aleppo example, the Russian army was not invited by the government of Ukraine.
I have no doubt that Ukraine would have won any international arbitration. The right to self-determination is not meant for breaking up existing states as long as states respect the rights of minorities as Ukraine did with Crimea's autonomy guaranteed under Ukrainian constitution

Al

pre 7 godina

Just a brief clarification onto what Mr. McAllister declared if I may:
1. Crimea annexation to Russia was decided by a democratically run referendum, therefore did not breach any international law. It was not unilateral secessions, which it is illegal, it breaches international laws and the laws of relevant sovereign country, and that it incredibly appears to be tolerated by the West/EU.
2. The killing of civilians in Aleppo would considerably decrease if "someone" stopped supplying weapons to the so-called rebels (in actual fact terrorists), which use those Western manufactured weapons to keep as hostage Aleppo East population and use them as human shields, and to conduct regular shelling onto schools, hospitals and bus stops in Aleppo West.
I appreciate that bureaucrats cannot/do not want to call things with their actual names, but at least have the decency to state the facts, not even the entire truths, but at least the facts..
Just one final note, for all those readers that read only one side of the story, please consider that the Russian army was officially and formally invited by the government of a sovereign and independent country to provide help and support. Any soldier from any other country who is currently in Syria is in breach of international laws.
With regards

rote

pre 7 godina

Thank god The Republic of Kosova wasn't bordering mainland Russia as Europe most likely would have turned a blind eye!
(Peter the Rocky, 19 October 2016 16:06)

Syria has no borders with Russia too but it did not stop us and above 35 000 head cutters have stopped to do it forever. Yet one thing you are damned right! Europe will not move a finger when we come and so will do the USA. You will not find a country whom they helped after the Korean War. So best if you make peace with your main neighbor.

As for the article discussed I doubt it very much that Serbia can be a bridge in our relations with the West. Most likely Russia is to build bridges between NATO club and Serbia. The West is a wild and bloodthirsty beast that respects only rough force that we can provide. Meanwhile Serbia can help us bring order to the Balkans. Independence was a minefield where local peoples stepped in 19-20 centuries.

None of them had ever enjoyed a state of their own and had no state borders or experience, nor even a formed culture or stabile languages. Provoked by the big powers Balkan (White Khan) peoples gained only tragedies of such a freedom. They need a big and friendly umbrella to live in peace. In 17-19 centuries the Ottomans were such an insurance umbrella but all peoples of the region were programmed to hate the empire that has saved them many times. Today you can rely only on Russia.

rote

pre 7 godina

Such weak approach will not work - Russia and its allies have to be bullied by brute force out of Europe. 2015/6 are but echo of 1938/39. Do not be fooled!
(Giustiniani, 19 October 2016 21:16)

What planet are you living on? 21:16 when your post was placed here Putin was putting terms over the Ukraine in Berlin. Left to him was sitting Vladislav Surkov whose name entered all possible sanction lists. But everybody swallowed it because the USA had taught them to respect force. NATO generals give Europe a couple weeks before the Russians will cross the English Channel.

Giustiniani

pre 7 godina

Ties with Russia had to be cut completely if there is any intention to have stability in Balkans.

Such weak approach will not work - Russia and its allies have to be bullied by brute force out of Europe.

2015/6 are but echo of 1938/39. Do not be fooled!

Dragoljub Djurkovic

pre 7 godina

Just Bull Crap from the USA

" Stop massacre of the innocent population in Syria ", " Biggest humanitarian catastrophe since World War Two " ???

What does Russia have to do with any of this, the USA is the root problem, they are the world police who devistated Iraq and Libya, murdered Iraq and Libya leadership, created Osama Bin Laden, ISIS and Jihadi John!

USA forcing thier version of world order upon the whole earth!!!

Kosovo je Srbija

pre 7 godina

Peter the Lackey, you are the most uninformed and pathetic person I've seen post here. Congrats on that.

On another note, times are a changin! The "West" is on the presipice of total collapse. Your "protectors" will no longer be there to "protect".

Peter the Rocky

pre 7 godina

David, stop being a Pu..y!
When Russia & Serbia realize that they are facing the entire civilized word they will immediately stop with their policies of aggression and attempts of annexation of other nations!!!
Yes, a handful of carrots in one hand, however that big stick needs to be ready to administer a fatal blow if the carrots don't do the job when dealing with aggressive states like Serbia & Russia which are controlled by radical despots!!!
Thank god The Republic of Kosova wasn't bordering mainland Russia as Europe most likely would have turned a blind eye!

Kosovo je Srbija

pre 7 godina

Peter the Lackey, you are the most uninformed and pathetic person I've seen post here. Congrats on that.

On another note, times are a changin! The "West" is on the presipice of total collapse. Your "protectors" will no longer be there to "protect".

Dragoljub Djurkovic

pre 7 godina

Just Bull Crap from the USA

" Stop massacre of the innocent population in Syria ", " Biggest humanitarian catastrophe since World War Two " ???

What does Russia have to do with any of this, the USA is the root problem, they are the world police who devistated Iraq and Libya, murdered Iraq and Libya leadership, created Osama Bin Laden, ISIS and Jihadi John!

USA forcing thier version of world order upon the whole earth!!!

Peter the Rocky

pre 7 godina

David, stop being a Pu..y!
When Russia & Serbia realize that they are facing the entire civilized word they will immediately stop with their policies of aggression and attempts of annexation of other nations!!!
Yes, a handful of carrots in one hand, however that big stick needs to be ready to administer a fatal blow if the carrots don't do the job when dealing with aggressive states like Serbia & Russia which are controlled by radical despots!!!
Thank god The Republic of Kosova wasn't bordering mainland Russia as Europe most likely would have turned a blind eye!

Giustiniani

pre 7 godina

Ties with Russia had to be cut completely if there is any intention to have stability in Balkans.

Such weak approach will not work - Russia and its allies have to be bullied by brute force out of Europe.

2015/6 are but echo of 1938/39. Do not be fooled!

rote

pre 7 godina

Such weak approach will not work - Russia and its allies have to be bullied by brute force out of Europe. 2015/6 are but echo of 1938/39. Do not be fooled!
(Giustiniani, 19 October 2016 21:16)

What planet are you living on? 21:16 when your post was placed here Putin was putting terms over the Ukraine in Berlin. Left to him was sitting Vladislav Surkov whose name entered all possible sanction lists. But everybody swallowed it because the USA had taught them to respect force. NATO generals give Europe a couple weeks before the Russians will cross the English Channel.

rote

pre 7 godina

Thank god The Republic of Kosova wasn't bordering mainland Russia as Europe most likely would have turned a blind eye!
(Peter the Rocky, 19 October 2016 16:06)

Syria has no borders with Russia too but it did not stop us and above 35 000 head cutters have stopped to do it forever. Yet one thing you are damned right! Europe will not move a finger when we come and so will do the USA. You will not find a country whom they helped after the Korean War. So best if you make peace with your main neighbor.

As for the article discussed I doubt it very much that Serbia can be a bridge in our relations with the West. Most likely Russia is to build bridges between NATO club and Serbia. The West is a wild and bloodthirsty beast that respects only rough force that we can provide. Meanwhile Serbia can help us bring order to the Balkans. Independence was a minefield where local peoples stepped in 19-20 centuries.

None of them had ever enjoyed a state of their own and had no state borders or experience, nor even a formed culture or stabile languages. Provoked by the big powers Balkan (White Khan) peoples gained only tragedies of such a freedom. They need a big and friendly umbrella to live in peace. In 17-19 centuries the Ottomans were such an insurance umbrella but all peoples of the region were programmed to hate the empire that has saved them many times. Today you can rely only on Russia.

Dwight

pre 7 godina

(Al, 20 October 2016 09:57)

You are correct that the referndum did not violate international law but that is beacuse internal referendums are not covered under international law. It did breach all international rules and guidelines, most importantly the ECHR.
The referendum was also illegal under Ukrainian constitution. Alterations to the territory of Ukraine require a Ukrainian referendum not a local one. Under international law, Crimea still belongs to Ukraine.

The declaration of independence of Crimea would likely be ruled as illegal by the ICJ because of the Russian troops. To use your Aleppo example, the Russian army was not invited by the government of Ukraine.
I have no doubt that Ukraine would have won any international arbitration. The right to self-determination is not meant for breaking up existing states as long as states respect the rights of minorities as Ukraine did with Crimea's autonomy guaranteed under Ukrainian constitution

icj1

pre 7 godina

Crimea annexation to Russia was decided by a democratically run referendum, therefore did not breach any international law.
(Al, 20 October 2016 09:57)

The UNGA disagrees. Since you are a nobody compared to the UNGA, you opinion above can safely be ignored as an irrelevance.
----------

The killing of civilians in Aleppo would considerably decrease if "someone" stopped supplying weapons to the so-called rebels
(Al, 20 October 2016 09:57)

So you are saying that civilians are being targeted on purpose to stop the supply of weapons to "rebels"! You just described a war crime, mate...

Al

pre 7 godina

Just a brief clarification onto what Mr. McAllister declared if I may:
1. Crimea annexation to Russia was decided by a democratically run referendum, therefore did not breach any international law. It was not unilateral secessions, which it is illegal, it breaches international laws and the laws of relevant sovereign country, and that it incredibly appears to be tolerated by the West/EU.
2. The killing of civilians in Aleppo would considerably decrease if "someone" stopped supplying weapons to the so-called rebels (in actual fact terrorists), which use those Western manufactured weapons to keep as hostage Aleppo East population and use them as human shields, and to conduct regular shelling onto schools, hospitals and bus stops in Aleppo West.
I appreciate that bureaucrats cannot/do not want to call things with their actual names, but at least have the decency to state the facts, not even the entire truths, but at least the facts..
Just one final note, for all those readers that read only one side of the story, please consider that the Russian army was officially and formally invited by the government of a sovereign and independent country to provide help and support. Any soldier from any other country who is currently in Syria is in breach of international laws.
With regards

icj1

pre 7 godina

Sorry David, but wasn't Kosovo a massive violation of international law?
(Stan, 19 October 2016 15:08)

Of course. The UN has already established beyond reasonable doubt that grave violations of international humanitarian law, such as war crimes and crimes against humanity, were committed by VJ and MUP forces in Kosovo.

rote

pre 7 godina

Dwight: Crimea still belongs to Ukraine.

Today the question is if Ukraine belongs to Russia or not. Seems that this winter is to be the last for the illegal Nazi regime you are moaning after. In the Russian media and blogosphere we discuss only the time and the mechanism this runaway region is to be home again. Will it be Ukraine as a whole or the remaining 25 regions one after another. Guess there will be referendums in each region to kill the idea of Ukrainism. Crimea is not discussed even in the West while every week official delegations from NATO states visit Crimea to see how happy the Russian people are there.

Dwight

pre 7 godina

(rote)
I said Crimea still belongs to Ukraine under international law. An ealier poster seems to think that you write on a piece of paper the name of the country you want to belong to and it the becomes law.

"illegal Nazi regime" - Interesting that you should mention your Jew hating allies from 1940.
I read an article recently about how Putin could go down in history as the president who finally destroyed the Russian world.
Although the Soviet Union stopped existing, most former countries continued as though it still existed.

Putins attack on Ukraine has destroyed this and as long as the West does not reject Ukraine, it will never return to being a Russian satellite.
Ukraine is no longer an ethnic identity only, it is becoming a politicial identity too, separating completely from Russia, the first real break of the old Soviet Union
Ukraine may never get Crimea back, maybe not even LNR/DNR, but Russia will never get Ukraine back either


The article was written by a Russian Jew who was born in Ukraine but lived most his life in Russia. He used to make no difference between being Ukrainian or Russian.
He feels that Russia no longer allows him to be Russian and Ukrainian and he was forced to choose Ukraine.

Peter the Rocky

pre 7 godina

David, stop being a Pu..y!
When Russia & Serbia realize that they are facing the entire civilized word they will immediately stop with their policies of aggression and attempts of annexation of other nations!!!
Yes, a handful of carrots in one hand, however that big stick needs to be ready to administer a fatal blow if the carrots don't do the job when dealing with aggressive states like Serbia & Russia which are controlled by radical despots!!!
Thank god The Republic of Kosova wasn't bordering mainland Russia as Europe most likely would have turned a blind eye!

Kosovo je Srbija

pre 7 godina

Peter the Lackey, you are the most uninformed and pathetic person I've seen post here. Congrats on that.

On another note, times are a changin! The "West" is on the presipice of total collapse. Your "protectors" will no longer be there to "protect".

Dragoljub Djurkovic

pre 7 godina

Just Bull Crap from the USA

" Stop massacre of the innocent population in Syria ", " Biggest humanitarian catastrophe since World War Two " ???

What does Russia have to do with any of this, the USA is the root problem, they are the world police who devistated Iraq and Libya, murdered Iraq and Libya leadership, created Osama Bin Laden, ISIS and Jihadi John!

USA forcing thier version of world order upon the whole earth!!!

Giustiniani

pre 7 godina

Ties with Russia had to be cut completely if there is any intention to have stability in Balkans.

Such weak approach will not work - Russia and its allies have to be bullied by brute force out of Europe.

2015/6 are but echo of 1938/39. Do not be fooled!

Al

pre 7 godina

Just a brief clarification onto what Mr. McAllister declared if I may:
1. Crimea annexation to Russia was decided by a democratically run referendum, therefore did not breach any international law. It was not unilateral secessions, which it is illegal, it breaches international laws and the laws of relevant sovereign country, and that it incredibly appears to be tolerated by the West/EU.
2. The killing of civilians in Aleppo would considerably decrease if "someone" stopped supplying weapons to the so-called rebels (in actual fact terrorists), which use those Western manufactured weapons to keep as hostage Aleppo East population and use them as human shields, and to conduct regular shelling onto schools, hospitals and bus stops in Aleppo West.
I appreciate that bureaucrats cannot/do not want to call things with their actual names, but at least have the decency to state the facts, not even the entire truths, but at least the facts..
Just one final note, for all those readers that read only one side of the story, please consider that the Russian army was officially and formally invited by the government of a sovereign and independent country to provide help and support. Any soldier from any other country who is currently in Syria is in breach of international laws.
With regards

Dwight

pre 7 godina

(Al, 20 October 2016 09:57)

You are correct that the referndum did not violate international law but that is beacuse internal referendums are not covered under international law. It did breach all international rules and guidelines, most importantly the ECHR.
The referendum was also illegal under Ukrainian constitution. Alterations to the territory of Ukraine require a Ukrainian referendum not a local one. Under international law, Crimea still belongs to Ukraine.

The declaration of independence of Crimea would likely be ruled as illegal by the ICJ because of the Russian troops. To use your Aleppo example, the Russian army was not invited by the government of Ukraine.
I have no doubt that Ukraine would have won any international arbitration. The right to self-determination is not meant for breaking up existing states as long as states respect the rights of minorities as Ukraine did with Crimea's autonomy guaranteed under Ukrainian constitution

icj1

pre 7 godina

Sorry David, but wasn't Kosovo a massive violation of international law?
(Stan, 19 October 2016 15:08)

Of course. The UN has already established beyond reasonable doubt that grave violations of international humanitarian law, such as war crimes and crimes against humanity, were committed by VJ and MUP forces in Kosovo.

rote

pre 7 godina

Thank god The Republic of Kosova wasn't bordering mainland Russia as Europe most likely would have turned a blind eye!
(Peter the Rocky, 19 October 2016 16:06)

Syria has no borders with Russia too but it did not stop us and above 35 000 head cutters have stopped to do it forever. Yet one thing you are damned right! Europe will not move a finger when we come and so will do the USA. You will not find a country whom they helped after the Korean War. So best if you make peace with your main neighbor.

As for the article discussed I doubt it very much that Serbia can be a bridge in our relations with the West. Most likely Russia is to build bridges between NATO club and Serbia. The West is a wild and bloodthirsty beast that respects only rough force that we can provide. Meanwhile Serbia can help us bring order to the Balkans. Independence was a minefield where local peoples stepped in 19-20 centuries.

None of them had ever enjoyed a state of their own and had no state borders or experience, nor even a formed culture or stabile languages. Provoked by the big powers Balkan (White Khan) peoples gained only tragedies of such a freedom. They need a big and friendly umbrella to live in peace. In 17-19 centuries the Ottomans were such an insurance umbrella but all peoples of the region were programmed to hate the empire that has saved them many times. Today you can rely only on Russia.

rote

pre 7 godina

Such weak approach will not work - Russia and its allies have to be bullied by brute force out of Europe. 2015/6 are but echo of 1938/39. Do not be fooled!
(Giustiniani, 19 October 2016 21:16)

What planet are you living on? 21:16 when your post was placed here Putin was putting terms over the Ukraine in Berlin. Left to him was sitting Vladislav Surkov whose name entered all possible sanction lists. But everybody swallowed it because the USA had taught them to respect force. NATO generals give Europe a couple weeks before the Russians will cross the English Channel.

icj1

pre 7 godina

Crimea annexation to Russia was decided by a democratically run referendum, therefore did not breach any international law.
(Al, 20 October 2016 09:57)

The UNGA disagrees. Since you are a nobody compared to the UNGA, you opinion above can safely be ignored as an irrelevance.
----------

The killing of civilians in Aleppo would considerably decrease if "someone" stopped supplying weapons to the so-called rebels
(Al, 20 October 2016 09:57)

So you are saying that civilians are being targeted on purpose to stop the supply of weapons to "rebels"! You just described a war crime, mate...

rote

pre 7 godina

Dwight: Crimea still belongs to Ukraine.

Today the question is if Ukraine belongs to Russia or not. Seems that this winter is to be the last for the illegal Nazi regime you are moaning after. In the Russian media and blogosphere we discuss only the time and the mechanism this runaway region is to be home again. Will it be Ukraine as a whole or the remaining 25 regions one after another. Guess there will be referendums in each region to kill the idea of Ukrainism. Crimea is not discussed even in the West while every week official delegations from NATO states visit Crimea to see how happy the Russian people are there.

Dwight

pre 7 godina

(rote)
I said Crimea still belongs to Ukraine under international law. An ealier poster seems to think that you write on a piece of paper the name of the country you want to belong to and it the becomes law.

"illegal Nazi regime" - Interesting that you should mention your Jew hating allies from 1940.
I read an article recently about how Putin could go down in history as the president who finally destroyed the Russian world.
Although the Soviet Union stopped existing, most former countries continued as though it still existed.

Putins attack on Ukraine has destroyed this and as long as the West does not reject Ukraine, it will never return to being a Russian satellite.
Ukraine is no longer an ethnic identity only, it is becoming a politicial identity too, separating completely from Russia, the first real break of the old Soviet Union
Ukraine may never get Crimea back, maybe not even LNR/DNR, but Russia will never get Ukraine back either


The article was written by a Russian Jew who was born in Ukraine but lived most his life in Russia. He used to make no difference between being Ukrainian or Russian.
He feels that Russia no longer allows him to be Russian and Ukrainian and he was forced to choose Ukraine.