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Tuesday, 27.09.2016.

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U.S. condemns "illegal RS referendum"

The United States on Monday condemned "the illegal referendum" held on Sunday in the Serb Republic (RS), the Serb entity in Bosnia-Herzegovina.

Izvor: Tanjug

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factman

pre 7 godina

So, take a breath and read again what you wrote!

You are confirming what I wrote that the bigger power intervened because of the civilian casualties
(icj1, 29 September 2016 20:36)

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Yes, I am confirming that many civilian deaths took place. One could see that on the nightly news Sherlock.

I am however saying that one side manufactured consent and a significant amount of shock value by deliberately doing it to themselves.

Educate yourself. Read Chomsky.

Amnesty Yugoslavia

pre 7 godina

Writings don't become facts just because a serial liar like you writes them.
(icj1, 1 October 2016 17:07)

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icj1, the CB of B92, is the only proven liar. In our last exchange icj1, the CB of B92, idiotically lied that I penned Judge Harhoff's words. Icj1 lied. Harhoff's opinion was written by none other than the UN judge Frederik Harhoff.

News organizations across the world published or reported on those same words. icj1 can't log onto a database and read the reference to Harhoff's words in IT-03-67-T, D60920, 28 August 2013. Icj 1 has now proven that he/she can't read a reference.

icj1 the CB of B92, denies Judge Harhoff's written opinion. In contrast to the self-lying icj1, news organizations such as BT, The Guardian, the New York Times , Sputnik, Suddeutsche Zeitung and countless others all published Harhoff's opinion, in whole or in part. Icj1 is lying that all those organizations were posting writings from Amnesty Yugoslavia. The truth is that they all quote Judge Harhoff.

Bigots such as icj1, live in a warped world where their intolerance is justified by lies and deceit to themselves and others. The truth is that corruption at the ICTY was exposed by UN appointed Judge Hathoff.

PS CB = Chief Bigot (and obviously a liar)

icj1

pre 7 godina

Harhoff's confirmation of US led corruption at the ICTY can be found at:
[link]
(Amnesty Yugoslavia, 30 September 2016 07:52)

Nice try, but there is not any opinion written by judge Harhoff at that link that confirms beyond reasonable doubt "that the UN organization investigating crimes in the former Yugoslavia are plagued by US led corruption and prejudicial political decisions ordered by its US led judge" as you wrote.

Do you want to give it another try, or what you wrote was just the usual lie?!
(icj1, 30 September 2016 22:17)

Judge Harhoff's written opinion are, in fact, Judge Harhoff's written words.
(Amnesty Yugoslavia, 1 October 2016 01:29)

of course, nobody questioned that so congratulations for convincing yourself that Judge Harhoff's written opinion are, in fact, Judge Harhoff's written words lol

But you still have not provided a link to this Judge Harhoff's written judgement which confirms beyond reasonable doubt "that the UN organization investigating crimes in the former Yugoslavia are plagued by US led corruption and prejudicial political decisions ordered by its US led judge" as you wrote!

Writings don't become facts just because a serial liar like you writes them. You even provided a link that, according to you, contains that judgement by Judge Harhoff where he wrote the opinion you claim, but it turned out that it did not. You just continue to provide more and more evidence that you are a serial liar :)

Amnesty Yugoslavia

pre 7 godina

Do you want to give it another try, or what you wrote was just the usual lie?!
(icj1, 30 September 2016 22:17)

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Judge Harhoff's written opinion are, in fact, Judge Harhoff's written words. They are not anyone's usual lie (unless you're the usual icj1), they are the written words from a UN appointed judge.
In the warped world of icj1, the CB of B92 ignorantly classifies the Judge's opinion, as someone else's lies. It's one thing for icj1 to diagnosis themselves as an ignorant nihilist, but our resident psychopath is now denying that Judge Harhoff published an opinion and asserts that the Judge's words are lies posted by others.

One obviously can not expect any semblance of logic from the CB of B92, who makes Mengele proud by painting an ethnic group with a neurological disorder.

Judge Harhoff's opinion has been referenced in whole or part, in ICTY trial records, the BT in Denmark, the NYT in the US, Sputnik in Russia, Suddeutsche Zeitung in Germany and countless other publications; they've all quoted the same words from the UN appointed judge. Despite icj1's false claims of "usual lies", I quoted those exact same words.

icj1, the CB of B92, should realize that his "usual" ignorance and repeated denial of plain factual text, reproduced in thousands of publications and read by millions, has only incriminated icj1 as the liar.

PS CB= Chief Bigot

icj1

pre 7 godina

Btw, can you provide the link to what YOU say is Harhoff's opinion? So far we only have what YOU say that Harhoff said. You've not provided any link to Harhoff's opinion so it can checked given the fact that what you write is seldom correct (sorry, but it's not my fault that your credibility is so low)!
(icj1, 29 September 2016 20:07)

Harhoff's confirmation of US led corruption at the ICTY can be found at:
[link]
(Amnesty Yugoslavia, 30 September 2016 07:52)

Nice try, but there is not any opinion written by judge Harhoff at that link that confirms beyond reasonable doubt "that the UN organization investigating crimes in the former Yugoslavia are plagued by US led corruption and prejudicial political decisions ordered by its US led judge" as you wrote.

Do you want to give it another try, or what you wrote was just the usual lie?!

Amnesty Yugoslavia

pre 7 godina

Btw, can you provide the link to what YOU say is Harhoff's opinion?
(icj1, 29 September 2016 20:07)
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Harhoff's confirmation of US led corruption at the ICTY can be found at:
http://icr.icty.org
Referenced by IT-03-67-T, D60920, 28 August 2013.

icj1, the CB of B92 has been fed this reference multiple times. Furthermore, the text is widely available on line from the Danish newspaper "BT" which also published a complete version.

Despite providing this information to the CB of B92, repeatedly, icj1 is ignorant of this document. icj1 is a self-diagnosed nihilist boastful of his/her multifactorial ignorance across a broad number of subject areas. One in particular, is the murder of innocent Yugoslavs in a crusade of US sponsored war crimes is ignored by icj1 and the corrupt ICTY.

icj1 would rather ramble-on denying the corruption at the ICTY, as he/she remains a steadfast practitioner of warped Mengele scientific methods.

PS CB= Chief Bigot

icj1

pre 7 godina

Serbia's military and related infrastructure were bombed to stop the war crimes and crimes against humanity that members of the Serb forces were committing in Kosovo. After the war, the UN confirmed that members of the Serb forces did indeed commit war crimes and crimes against humanity in Kosovo.
(icj1, 27 September 2016 15:20)

Ohhh.... is that why they bombed?
Fairy tale.
One method of ensuring a bigger power intervenes on your behalf is to ensure that a desirable number of civilian casualties occur -- to manufacture reasons for an intervention.
(factman, 28 September 2016 02:48)

So, take a breath and read again what you wrote!

You are confirming what I wrote that the bigger power intervened because of the civilian casualties

icj1

pre 7 godina

Can you please provide a link to the judgement that this UN judge wrote where he determined beyond reasonable doubt that the UN organization investigating crimes in the former Yugoslavia are plagued by US led corruption and prejudicial political decisions ordered by its US led judge?
(icj1, 28 September 2016 19:13) l

Translated to English from his original Danish opinion electronically published on the internet on June 26, 2013 , Frederik.Harhoff @icty.org wrote the following:

"...reports of the same American (Meron) presiding judge’s tenacious pressure on his colleagues in the Gotovina – Perisic case makes you think he was determined to achieve an acquittal – and especially that he was lucky enough to convince the elderly Turkish judge to change his mind at the last minute. Both judgements then became majority judgements 3 -2."
(Amnesty Yugoslavia, 29 September 2016 07:47)

So this opinion by Judge Harhoff nowhere concluded beyond reasonable doubt "that the UN organization investigating crimes in the former Yugoslavia are plagued by US led corruption and prejudicial political decisions ordered by its US led judge" as you wrote.

Btw, can you provide the link to what YOU say is Harhoff's opinion? So far we only have what YOU say that Harhoff said. You've not provided any link to Harhoff's opinion so it can checked given the fact that what you write is seldom correct (sorry, but it's not my fault that your credibility is so low)!

Amnesty Yugoslavia

pre 7 godina

Oh, really?!
(icj1, 28 September 2016 19:13)

icj1, the CB of B92, rightfully questions his/her own grasp of reality. In icj1's warped reality, he/she associates a neurological disorder with ethnicity. icj1's warped reality is ignorant to the historical fact of innocent Yugoslavs murdered in war crimes that were ignored by the corrupt ICTY. Translated to English from his original Danish opinion electronically published on the internet on June 26, 2013 , Frederik.Harhoff @icty.org wrote the following:

"...reports of the same American (Meron) presiding judge’s tenacious pressure on his colleagues in the Gotovina – Perisic case makes you think he was determined to achieve an acquittal – and especially that he was lucky enough to convince the elderly Turkish judge to change his mind at the last minute. Both judgements then became majority judgements 3 -2."

"...leading states (such as USA and Israel) felt that the courts in practice were getting too close to the military commanders’ responsibilities."

In subsequent opinion Judge Harhoff published the following motive for Meron's US-dictated political acquittals:

"...the United States strongly supported the Croats with arms and intelligence. Gotovina was only able to defeat the Serbs militarily because of the American support. Would that in any way implicate the US Army? Probably not. But we don’t know what the accused might have revealed, if he had been convicted."

icj1

pre 7 godina

After the war, the UN confirmed that members of the Serb forces did indeed commit war crimes and crimes against humanity in Kosovo. So, not sure why we should believe a nobody like you instead of the UN!
(icj1, 27 September 2016 15:20)

We're not sure what UN confirmation
(Amnesty Yugoslavia, 27 September 2016 16:19)

Well, with you being a distinguished reader of legal texts and a distinguished jurist, I'm surprised that you are not sure. But, anyway, I can always help. So, according to the UN http://www.icty.org/x/cases/milutinovic/tjug/en/090226summary.pdf "the crimes of: deportation, a crime against humanity; other inhumane acts (forcible transfer), a crime against humanity; murder, a violation of the laws or customs of war, and a crime against humanity; and murder, sexual assault, and wanton destruction of or damage to religious property, as forms of persecution on ethnic grounds, were committed by VJ and MUP forces".

Feel free to share it with "Principa" to get him/her educated, as well.

icj1

pre 7 godina

a UN judge by the name of Harhoff did confirm that the UN organization investigating crimes in the former Yugoslavia are plagued by US led corruption and prejudicial political decisions ordered by its US led judge.
(Amnesty Yugoslavia, 27 September 2016 16:19)

Oh, really?! Can you please provide a link to the judgement that this UN judge wrote where he determined beyond reasonable doubt that the UN organization investigating crimes in the former Yugoslavia are plagued by US led corruption and prejudicial political decisions ordered by its US led judge?

Reader

pre 7 godina

"We're not sure what UN confirmation the CB of B92 is referencing."

I am frankly surprised that you don't know, you seem to know everything AY :). Let me humbly try to help you: I am pretty positive icj1 is referencing the many many 'heroes' belonging to the Serbian military and government, who have been condemned by the ICTY for war crimes in former Yugoslavia and, more specifically, Kosovo. If you don't know, ICTY is a UN institution, established by the UN Security Council to deal with those crimes. The UN Security Council is another UN institution composed of Russia, China, the US, and other countries. Some of the members of the UNSC have veto power, given their weight in the world. This is important because it means that everything that is agreed upon at the UNSC, including the existence of war crime tribunals like ICTY, is approved by those members.

You don't have to take my word for it of course.

Pisa

pre 7 godina

icj1 the CB that just won't go away. What does he/she think war is? Correct me if it's delusional to suppose that one side tries to kill the enemy (the opposing side). That being the case no act in a war can be deemed a crime if it can then war itself is a crime(actually it is that's why Serbians never start them!).

factman

pre 7 godina

Serbia's military and related infrastructure were bombed to stop the war crimes and crimes against humanity that members of the Serb forces were committing in Kosovo. After the war, the UN confirmed that members of the Serb forces did indeed commit war crimes and crimes against humanity in Kosovo.

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Ohhh.... is that why they bombed?

Fairy tale.

One method of ensuring a bigger power intervenes on your behalf is to ensure that a desirable number of civilian casualties occur -- to manufacture reasons for an intervention. This is achieved by putting
your civilians in deliberate jeopardy or by ensuring the other side falls into carefully conceived traps which cause civilian casualties a a rate that can manufacture consent for intervention.

This does not mean that elements of Serb forces needed any rationale to commit war crimes. They did them of their own accord. But it shows that you are not really a credible voice on this website.

rote

pre 7 godina

Amnesty Yugoslavia
icj1

In my childhood two my elder neighbors played chess under the same scenario. One would make a move saying БЗДИШЬ? = ARE YOU AFRAID ? (slang). The other would make a counter move accompanied with БЗДУНУ БЗДЮНЯЧАЯ СМЕРТЬ! = COWARD’S DEATH TO THE COWARD! And it lasted for years just like with you two …

Amnesty Yugoslavia

pre 7 godina

After the war, the UN confirmed that members of the Serb forces did indeed commit war crimes and crimes against humanity in Kosovo. So, not sure why we should believe a nobody like you instead of the UN!
(icj1, 27 September 2016 15:20)

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icj1 is a somebody....icj1 is the undisputed CB of B92.
icj1 takes great pride in labeling an entire ethnic group with a neurological disorder. Diagnoses based on ethnicity and the practice of debunked Mengele science makes icj1 a rambling somebody on B92.

We're not sure what UN confirmation the CB of B92 is referencing. But a UN judge by the name of Harhoff did confirm that the UN organization investigating crimes in the former Yugoslavia are plagued by US led corruption and prejudicial political decisions ordered by its US led judge.

Kent Prince

pre 7 godina

The US should be condemning the speeches threatening to kill the democratic elected president of the RS instead of impeding a democratic principle such as a referendum.

icj1

pre 7 godina

the truth as you know and the whole world knows is that the US (and its NATO war hounds) waged an ILLEGAL war against Serbia in 1999 just as it did again in Iraq 2003 and all other wars since though the US see their death and destruction as "collateral" in the pursuit of Humanitarianism. Iraq was a lie and deceit of WMD whearas against Serbia it was a lie and deceit
(Principa, Gracanica, Kosovo & Methojia, SERBIA, 27 September 2016 14:38)

Well, first of all, Iraq and Serbia are not the same thing, so it looks like you need some lessons in elementary level geography.

Second, not sure what "lie and deceit" you're talking about. Serbia's military and related infrastructure were bombed to stop the war crimes and crimes against humanity that members of the Serb forces were committing in Kosovo. After the war, the UN confirmed that members of the Serb forces did indeed commit war crimes and crimes against humanity in Kosovo. So, not sure why we should believe a nobody like you instead of the UN!

William UK

pre 7 godina

Think you have a point Ari, the guy looks like a fraud to me with a hatred for Serbs, so not to be taken seriously. You can see how he generally refers to anything Serbian as "serb" (small s) but Croats and Bosniaks he uses a capital.

Yes, the US is cherry picking. How can a referendum be illegal? Good news is that Jeremy Corbyn was re-elected Labour leader so the world has hope after all.

Englishman

pre 7 godina

Let the truth set you free "Englishman"...Oh what a tangled web we weave....
(Principa, Gracanica, Kosovo & Methojia, SERBIA, 27 September 2016 14:38)

This is an example of what came to an end when NATO put a leash on Serbia.
https://youtu.be/cKJCtjvCvRU

Let the truth set YOU free.

Kent Prince

pre 7 godina

As far as I know the BIH Constitution does not prohibit referendums. For the constitutional court to prohibit this is a violation of human rights and the right for self determination.

Tabasco

pre 7 godina

Ari you should give the Englishman a two-fingered salute just to confirm his ethnicity. If he is English then he'll be able to understand what you want him to do!!

Principa, Gracanica, Kosovo & Methojia, SERBIA

pre 7 godina

"They bombed serbia to halt ethnic cleansing being conducted in Kosovo by serbs. "
- so called "Englishman"

- the truth as you know and the whole world knows is that the US (and its NATO war hounds) waged an ILLEGAL war against Serbia in 1999 just as it did again in Iraq 2003 and all other wars since though the US see their death and destruction as "collateral" in the pursuit of Humanitarianism. Iraq was a lie and deceit of WMD whearas against Serbia it was a lie and deceit over WMG (Whearabouts of Mass Graves) that never were...

...to quote someone impartial and on the ground with Amnesty in 1999 Conor Foley;

"The death toll in Kosovo was in the hundreds before the start of the bombing campaign. It was around 5,000 by the end. Not quite the "genocide" that some people claimed, incidentally, but not a good precedent either.

I was working at Amnesty International during the Kosovo crisis. I first visited refugee camps in Albania and Macedonia during the conflict and then spent a year in Pristina seconded into the UN High Commissioner for Refugees. Tony Blair says that we "reversed ethnic cleansing" there, but I would not count the expulsion of over 100,000 Serbs and Roma from a province guarded by 40,000 Nato troops as a success."
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2007/apr/20/oliverkammvconorfoley

Let the truth set you free "Englishman"...Oh what a tangled web we weave....

rote

pre 7 godina

Englishman : I never said that your name is not Serbian. I said it sounded Lebanese, that's all. Stop twisting the truth …

Ad hoq Lebanon sounds Lubnan in Arabian and means ALBANIA i.e. White Horde so twisting the truth is a a relative concept. Same with the “genocide the Serbs can commit in Bosnia” as the biggest genocide in former Yugoslavia was committed against the Serbs. Up to now Croatian crimes against Serbs were the biggest and they are not avenged … yet.

Ari Gold

pre 7 godina

Is there no end to your lies and deceit?
(Englishman, 27 September 2016 10:32)

Guys remember, this man is a fraud and is trying to pose as an "Englishman" in a desperate attempt to give his pathetic opinions more weight than they should have. He thought my real name as "Ari" and made it clear that this is not a Serbian name. Obviously, he would have to be from the Balkans to know what is a Serbian name, and what is not. He's a pitiful little troll and doesn't do a very good job at it either. But he thinks that if he convinces you he's an "Englishman", then perhaps he will come off as more objective than being just another Albo/Croat troll.

Is there no end to your lies and deceit?
Poor pathetic fraud.

Englishman

pre 7 godina

He thought my real name as "Ari" and made it clear that this is not a Serbian name.
(Ari Gold, 27 September 2016 12:21)

I never said that your name is not Serbian. I said it sounded Lebanese, that's all. Stop twisting the truth and putting words in other people's mouths.
Interesting how you attack the nick I have chosen instead of the truth in my post.
You poor person, having to live among the very people that bombed you and lying to yourself that it was only their leaders.

Je suis devet

pre 7 godina

A condemnation from a warmongering, blood soaked US state dept that sows death and destruction in Syria, Iraq, Afghanistan, Yemen, Libya, and countless other countries, has the boys of Python busting their ribs in laughter. Now the world knows the referendum was a righteous and legal expression from a free people. Srecna 9 Januar.

Pushka

pre 7 godina

All these down votes for anyone posting truths or should I say hypocrisies that are elementary to anything that the US does. You fascists of all denominations - fools that are being sodomized by the US Pied Piper (for those who don't know - an English Character that was a pedophile). Clap clap you stupid morons. Without the Serbs you would lose the voice that you stupidly hold onto. Serbs, Croats, Bosniaks - why are we so stupid? Oh - correction - the only stupid ones seem to the those that ride on the back of US scum. Good luck with the Arabs.

Tony (a Brit in Berlin)

pre 7 godina

Typical US double standards... The Dayton Agreement is not the basis for a long-term solution. The RS should leave the BH federation. Let the Bosniaks and their subservient Croats take their entity to ruin.

marKo

pre 7 godina

this statement, from the government of the United States condemning a peaceful and democratic election regarding the date of a holiday is an embarrassment and discredit to the United States.

Goran.

pre 7 godina

citizens decided to continue marking January 9 as RS Day - was held "in direct contravention of a decision by the Constitutional Court of Bosnia-Herzegovina."Meanwhile you bombed Serbia by-passing the UN security council and then had no problem with the albanians declaring independence in direct violation of UN Resolution 1244....and you have a problem with Serbs having a referendum regarding which day they celebrate?

US is evil

pre 7 godina

Talk about US hypocrisy and double standards!! The US created ISIS, overthrows democratically ellected governments and imposes their own puppet dictators, not to mention it's total disregard for international law. The US is the largest terrorist state on the planet and has created more pain and suffering all over the world then any other nation. One day it will all come around back to them!

Englishman

pre 7 godina

"Meanwhile you bombed Serbia by-passing the UN security council and then had no problem with the albanians declaring independence in direct violation of UN Resolution 1244.
(Goran., 27 September 2016 10:08)

They bombed serbia to halt ethnic cleansing being conducted in Kosovo by serbs. Let's not forget that the reasoning was obvious as they had already seen what genocide the Serbs can commit in Bosnia and Herzegovina.
The referendum was a farce to say the least. Serbs ethnically cleansed the Republic of srpska and have been doing nothing to aid the return of Croats and Bosniacs. Then they hold a referendum among what people are left behind. Quite despicable.
At the same time serbs have the nerve to falsely blame other countries like Croatia for not promoting the return of displaced people.
Is there no end to your lies and deceit?

Goran.

pre 7 godina

citizens decided to continue marking January 9 as RS Day - was held "in direct contravention of a decision by the Constitutional Court of Bosnia-Herzegovina."Meanwhile you bombed Serbia by-passing the UN security council and then had no problem with the albanians declaring independence in direct violation of UN Resolution 1244....and you have a problem with Serbs having a referendum regarding which day they celebrate?

Pushka

pre 7 godina

All these down votes for anyone posting truths or should I say hypocrisies that are elementary to anything that the US does. You fascists of all denominations - fools that are being sodomized by the US Pied Piper (for those who don't know - an English Character that was a pedophile). Clap clap you stupid morons. Without the Serbs you would lose the voice that you stupidly hold onto. Serbs, Croats, Bosniaks - why are we so stupid? Oh - correction - the only stupid ones seem to the those that ride on the back of US scum. Good luck with the Arabs.

marKo

pre 7 godina

this statement, from the government of the United States condemning a peaceful and democratic election regarding the date of a holiday is an embarrassment and discredit to the United States.

Tony (a Brit in Berlin)

pre 7 godina

Typical US double standards... The Dayton Agreement is not the basis for a long-term solution. The RS should leave the BH federation. Let the Bosniaks and their subservient Croats take their entity to ruin.

Ari Gold

pre 7 godina

Is there no end to your lies and deceit?
(Englishman, 27 September 2016 10:32)

Guys remember, this man is a fraud and is trying to pose as an "Englishman" in a desperate attempt to give his pathetic opinions more weight than they should have. He thought my real name as "Ari" and made it clear that this is not a Serbian name. Obviously, he would have to be from the Balkans to know what is a Serbian name, and what is not. He's a pitiful little troll and doesn't do a very good job at it either. But he thinks that if he convinces you he's an "Englishman", then perhaps he will come off as more objective than being just another Albo/Croat troll.

Is there no end to your lies and deceit?
Poor pathetic fraud.

Kent Prince

pre 7 godina

The US should be condemning the speeches threatening to kill the democratic elected president of the RS instead of impeding a democratic principle such as a referendum.

US is evil

pre 7 godina

Talk about US hypocrisy and double standards!! The US created ISIS, overthrows democratically ellected governments and imposes their own puppet dictators, not to mention it's total disregard for international law. The US is the largest terrorist state on the planet and has created more pain and suffering all over the world then any other nation. One day it will all come around back to them!

Je suis devet

pre 7 godina

A condemnation from a warmongering, blood soaked US state dept that sows death and destruction in Syria, Iraq, Afghanistan, Yemen, Libya, and countless other countries, has the boys of Python busting their ribs in laughter. Now the world knows the referendum was a righteous and legal expression from a free people. Srecna 9 Januar.

Amnesty Yugoslavia

pre 7 godina

After the war, the UN confirmed that members of the Serb forces did indeed commit war crimes and crimes against humanity in Kosovo. So, not sure why we should believe a nobody like you instead of the UN!
(icj1, 27 September 2016 15:20)

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icj1 is a somebody....icj1 is the undisputed CB of B92.
icj1 takes great pride in labeling an entire ethnic group with a neurological disorder. Diagnoses based on ethnicity and the practice of debunked Mengele science makes icj1 a rambling somebody on B92.

We're not sure what UN confirmation the CB of B92 is referencing. But a UN judge by the name of Harhoff did confirm that the UN organization investigating crimes in the former Yugoslavia are plagued by US led corruption and prejudicial political decisions ordered by its US led judge.

Principa, Gracanica, Kosovo & Methojia, SERBIA

pre 7 godina

"They bombed serbia to halt ethnic cleansing being conducted in Kosovo by serbs. "
- so called "Englishman"

- the truth as you know and the whole world knows is that the US (and its NATO war hounds) waged an ILLEGAL war against Serbia in 1999 just as it did again in Iraq 2003 and all other wars since though the US see their death and destruction as "collateral" in the pursuit of Humanitarianism. Iraq was a lie and deceit of WMD whearas against Serbia it was a lie and deceit over WMG (Whearabouts of Mass Graves) that never were...

...to quote someone impartial and on the ground with Amnesty in 1999 Conor Foley;

"The death toll in Kosovo was in the hundreds before the start of the bombing campaign. It was around 5,000 by the end. Not quite the "genocide" that some people claimed, incidentally, but not a good precedent either.

I was working at Amnesty International during the Kosovo crisis. I first visited refugee camps in Albania and Macedonia during the conflict and then spent a year in Pristina seconded into the UN High Commissioner for Refugees. Tony Blair says that we "reversed ethnic cleansing" there, but I would not count the expulsion of over 100,000 Serbs and Roma from a province guarded by 40,000 Nato troops as a success."
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2007/apr/20/oliverkammvconorfoley

Let the truth set you free "Englishman"...Oh what a tangled web we weave....

Kent Prince

pre 7 godina

As far as I know the BIH Constitution does not prohibit referendums. For the constitutional court to prohibit this is a violation of human rights and the right for self determination.

William UK

pre 7 godina

Think you have a point Ari, the guy looks like a fraud to me with a hatred for Serbs, so not to be taken seriously. You can see how he generally refers to anything Serbian as "serb" (small s) but Croats and Bosniaks he uses a capital.

Yes, the US is cherry picking. How can a referendum be illegal? Good news is that Jeremy Corbyn was re-elected Labour leader so the world has hope after all.

Englishman

pre 7 godina

"Meanwhile you bombed Serbia by-passing the UN security council and then had no problem with the albanians declaring independence in direct violation of UN Resolution 1244.
(Goran., 27 September 2016 10:08)

They bombed serbia to halt ethnic cleansing being conducted in Kosovo by serbs. Let's not forget that the reasoning was obvious as they had already seen what genocide the Serbs can commit in Bosnia and Herzegovina.
The referendum was a farce to say the least. Serbs ethnically cleansed the Republic of srpska and have been doing nothing to aid the return of Croats and Bosniacs. Then they hold a referendum among what people are left behind. Quite despicable.
At the same time serbs have the nerve to falsely blame other countries like Croatia for not promoting the return of displaced people.
Is there no end to your lies and deceit?

Tabasco

pre 7 godina

Ari you should give the Englishman a two-fingered salute just to confirm his ethnicity. If he is English then he'll be able to understand what you want him to do!!

rote

pre 7 godina

Englishman : I never said that your name is not Serbian. I said it sounded Lebanese, that's all. Stop twisting the truth …

Ad hoq Lebanon sounds Lubnan in Arabian and means ALBANIA i.e. White Horde so twisting the truth is a a relative concept. Same with the “genocide the Serbs can commit in Bosnia” as the biggest genocide in former Yugoslavia was committed against the Serbs. Up to now Croatian crimes against Serbs were the biggest and they are not avenged … yet.

icj1

pre 7 godina

the truth as you know and the whole world knows is that the US (and its NATO war hounds) waged an ILLEGAL war against Serbia in 1999 just as it did again in Iraq 2003 and all other wars since though the US see their death and destruction as "collateral" in the pursuit of Humanitarianism. Iraq was a lie and deceit of WMD whearas against Serbia it was a lie and deceit
(Principa, Gracanica, Kosovo & Methojia, SERBIA, 27 September 2016 14:38)

Well, first of all, Iraq and Serbia are not the same thing, so it looks like you need some lessons in elementary level geography.

Second, not sure what "lie and deceit" you're talking about. Serbia's military and related infrastructure were bombed to stop the war crimes and crimes against humanity that members of the Serb forces were committing in Kosovo. After the war, the UN confirmed that members of the Serb forces did indeed commit war crimes and crimes against humanity in Kosovo. So, not sure why we should believe a nobody like you instead of the UN!

Englishman

pre 7 godina

He thought my real name as "Ari" and made it clear that this is not a Serbian name.
(Ari Gold, 27 September 2016 12:21)

I never said that your name is not Serbian. I said it sounded Lebanese, that's all. Stop twisting the truth and putting words in other people's mouths.
Interesting how you attack the nick I have chosen instead of the truth in my post.
You poor person, having to live among the very people that bombed you and lying to yourself that it was only their leaders.

Englishman

pre 7 godina

Let the truth set you free "Englishman"...Oh what a tangled web we weave....
(Principa, Gracanica, Kosovo & Methojia, SERBIA, 27 September 2016 14:38)

This is an example of what came to an end when NATO put a leash on Serbia.
https://youtu.be/cKJCtjvCvRU

Let the truth set YOU free.

Amnesty Yugoslavia

pre 7 godina

Oh, really?!
(icj1, 28 September 2016 19:13)

icj1, the CB of B92, rightfully questions his/her own grasp of reality. In icj1's warped reality, he/she associates a neurological disorder with ethnicity. icj1's warped reality is ignorant to the historical fact of innocent Yugoslavs murdered in war crimes that were ignored by the corrupt ICTY. Translated to English from his original Danish opinion electronically published on the internet on June 26, 2013 , Frederik.Harhoff @icty.org wrote the following:

"...reports of the same American (Meron) presiding judge’s tenacious pressure on his colleagues in the Gotovina – Perisic case makes you think he was determined to achieve an acquittal – and especially that he was lucky enough to convince the elderly Turkish judge to change his mind at the last minute. Both judgements then became majority judgements 3 -2."

"...leading states (such as USA and Israel) felt that the courts in practice were getting too close to the military commanders’ responsibilities."

In subsequent opinion Judge Harhoff published the following motive for Meron's US-dictated political acquittals:

"...the United States strongly supported the Croats with arms and intelligence. Gotovina was only able to defeat the Serbs militarily because of the American support. Would that in any way implicate the US Army? Probably not. But we don’t know what the accused might have revealed, if he had been convicted."

rote

pre 7 godina

Amnesty Yugoslavia
icj1

In my childhood two my elder neighbors played chess under the same scenario. One would make a move saying БЗДИШЬ? = ARE YOU AFRAID ? (slang). The other would make a counter move accompanied with БЗДУНУ БЗДЮНЯЧАЯ СМЕРТЬ! = COWARD’S DEATH TO THE COWARD! And it lasted for years just like with you two …

factman

pre 7 godina

Serbia's military and related infrastructure were bombed to stop the war crimes and crimes against humanity that members of the Serb forces were committing in Kosovo. After the war, the UN confirmed that members of the Serb forces did indeed commit war crimes and crimes against humanity in Kosovo.

#####

Ohhh.... is that why they bombed?

Fairy tale.

One method of ensuring a bigger power intervenes on your behalf is to ensure that a desirable number of civilian casualties occur -- to manufacture reasons for an intervention. This is achieved by putting
your civilians in deliberate jeopardy or by ensuring the other side falls into carefully conceived traps which cause civilian casualties a a rate that can manufacture consent for intervention.

This does not mean that elements of Serb forces needed any rationale to commit war crimes. They did them of their own accord. But it shows that you are not really a credible voice on this website.

Pisa

pre 7 godina

icj1 the CB that just won't go away. What does he/she think war is? Correct me if it's delusional to suppose that one side tries to kill the enemy (the opposing side). That being the case no act in a war can be deemed a crime if it can then war itself is a crime(actually it is that's why Serbians never start them!).

Amnesty Yugoslavia

pre 7 godina

Btw, can you provide the link to what YOU say is Harhoff's opinion?
(icj1, 29 September 2016 20:07)
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Harhoff's confirmation of US led corruption at the ICTY can be found at:
http://icr.icty.org
Referenced by IT-03-67-T, D60920, 28 August 2013.

icj1, the CB of B92 has been fed this reference multiple times. Furthermore, the text is widely available on line from the Danish newspaper "BT" which also published a complete version.

Despite providing this information to the CB of B92, repeatedly, icj1 is ignorant of this document. icj1 is a self-diagnosed nihilist boastful of his/her multifactorial ignorance across a broad number of subject areas. One in particular, is the murder of innocent Yugoslavs in a crusade of US sponsored war crimes is ignored by icj1 and the corrupt ICTY.

icj1 would rather ramble-on denying the corruption at the ICTY, as he/she remains a steadfast practitioner of warped Mengele scientific methods.

PS CB= Chief Bigot

Amnesty Yugoslavia

pre 7 godina

Writings don't become facts just because a serial liar like you writes them.
(icj1, 1 October 2016 17:07)

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icj1, the CB of B92, is the only proven liar. In our last exchange icj1, the CB of B92, idiotically lied that I penned Judge Harhoff's words. Icj1 lied. Harhoff's opinion was written by none other than the UN judge Frederik Harhoff.

News organizations across the world published or reported on those same words. icj1 can't log onto a database and read the reference to Harhoff's words in IT-03-67-T, D60920, 28 August 2013. Icj 1 has now proven that he/she can't read a reference.

icj1 the CB of B92, denies Judge Harhoff's written opinion. In contrast to the self-lying icj1, news organizations such as BT, The Guardian, the New York Times , Sputnik, Suddeutsche Zeitung and countless others all published Harhoff's opinion, in whole or in part. Icj1 is lying that all those organizations were posting writings from Amnesty Yugoslavia. The truth is that they all quote Judge Harhoff.

Bigots such as icj1, live in a warped world where their intolerance is justified by lies and deceit to themselves and others. The truth is that corruption at the ICTY was exposed by UN appointed Judge Hathoff.

PS CB = Chief Bigot (and obviously a liar)

icj1

pre 7 godina

After the war, the UN confirmed that members of the Serb forces did indeed commit war crimes and crimes against humanity in Kosovo. So, not sure why we should believe a nobody like you instead of the UN!
(icj1, 27 September 2016 15:20)

We're not sure what UN confirmation
(Amnesty Yugoslavia, 27 September 2016 16:19)

Well, with you being a distinguished reader of legal texts and a distinguished jurist, I'm surprised that you are not sure. But, anyway, I can always help. So, according to the UN http://www.icty.org/x/cases/milutinovic/tjug/en/090226summary.pdf "the crimes of: deportation, a crime against humanity; other inhumane acts (forcible transfer), a crime against humanity; murder, a violation of the laws or customs of war, and a crime against humanity; and murder, sexual assault, and wanton destruction of or damage to religious property, as forms of persecution on ethnic grounds, were committed by VJ and MUP forces".

Feel free to share it with "Principa" to get him/her educated, as well.

icj1

pre 7 godina

a UN judge by the name of Harhoff did confirm that the UN organization investigating crimes in the former Yugoslavia are plagued by US led corruption and prejudicial political decisions ordered by its US led judge.
(Amnesty Yugoslavia, 27 September 2016 16:19)

Oh, really?! Can you please provide a link to the judgement that this UN judge wrote where he determined beyond reasonable doubt that the UN organization investigating crimes in the former Yugoslavia are plagued by US led corruption and prejudicial political decisions ordered by its US led judge?

Amnesty Yugoslavia

pre 7 godina

Do you want to give it another try, or what you wrote was just the usual lie?!
(icj1, 30 September 2016 22:17)

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Judge Harhoff's written opinion are, in fact, Judge Harhoff's written words. They are not anyone's usual lie (unless you're the usual icj1), they are the written words from a UN appointed judge.
In the warped world of icj1, the CB of B92 ignorantly classifies the Judge's opinion, as someone else's lies. It's one thing for icj1 to diagnosis themselves as an ignorant nihilist, but our resident psychopath is now denying that Judge Harhoff published an opinion and asserts that the Judge's words are lies posted by others.

One obviously can not expect any semblance of logic from the CB of B92, who makes Mengele proud by painting an ethnic group with a neurological disorder.

Judge Harhoff's opinion has been referenced in whole or part, in ICTY trial records, the BT in Denmark, the NYT in the US, Sputnik in Russia, Suddeutsche Zeitung in Germany and countless other publications; they've all quoted the same words from the UN appointed judge. Despite icj1's false claims of "usual lies", I quoted those exact same words.

icj1, the CB of B92, should realize that his "usual" ignorance and repeated denial of plain factual text, reproduced in thousands of publications and read by millions, has only incriminated icj1 as the liar.

PS CB= Chief Bigot

factman

pre 7 godina

So, take a breath and read again what you wrote!

You are confirming what I wrote that the bigger power intervened because of the civilian casualties
(icj1, 29 September 2016 20:36)

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Yes, I am confirming that many civilian deaths took place. One could see that on the nightly news Sherlock.

I am however saying that one side manufactured consent and a significant amount of shock value by deliberately doing it to themselves.

Educate yourself. Read Chomsky.

icj1

pre 7 godina

Can you please provide a link to the judgement that this UN judge wrote where he determined beyond reasonable doubt that the UN organization investigating crimes in the former Yugoslavia are plagued by US led corruption and prejudicial political decisions ordered by its US led judge?
(icj1, 28 September 2016 19:13) l

Translated to English from his original Danish opinion electronically published on the internet on June 26, 2013 , Frederik.Harhoff @icty.org wrote the following:

"...reports of the same American (Meron) presiding judge’s tenacious pressure on his colleagues in the Gotovina – Perisic case makes you think he was determined to achieve an acquittal – and especially that he was lucky enough to convince the elderly Turkish judge to change his mind at the last minute. Both judgements then became majority judgements 3 -2."
(Amnesty Yugoslavia, 29 September 2016 07:47)

So this opinion by Judge Harhoff nowhere concluded beyond reasonable doubt "that the UN organization investigating crimes in the former Yugoslavia are plagued by US led corruption and prejudicial political decisions ordered by its US led judge" as you wrote.

Btw, can you provide the link to what YOU say is Harhoff's opinion? So far we only have what YOU say that Harhoff said. You've not provided any link to Harhoff's opinion so it can checked given the fact that what you write is seldom correct (sorry, but it's not my fault that your credibility is so low)!

icj1

pre 7 godina

Serbia's military and related infrastructure were bombed to stop the war crimes and crimes against humanity that members of the Serb forces were committing in Kosovo. After the war, the UN confirmed that members of the Serb forces did indeed commit war crimes and crimes against humanity in Kosovo.
(icj1, 27 September 2016 15:20)

Ohhh.... is that why they bombed?
Fairy tale.
One method of ensuring a bigger power intervenes on your behalf is to ensure that a desirable number of civilian casualties occur -- to manufacture reasons for an intervention.
(factman, 28 September 2016 02:48)

So, take a breath and read again what you wrote!

You are confirming what I wrote that the bigger power intervened because of the civilian casualties

Reader

pre 7 godina

"We're not sure what UN confirmation the CB of B92 is referencing."

I am frankly surprised that you don't know, you seem to know everything AY :). Let me humbly try to help you: I am pretty positive icj1 is referencing the many many 'heroes' belonging to the Serbian military and government, who have been condemned by the ICTY for war crimes in former Yugoslavia and, more specifically, Kosovo. If you don't know, ICTY is a UN institution, established by the UN Security Council to deal with those crimes. The UN Security Council is another UN institution composed of Russia, China, the US, and other countries. Some of the members of the UNSC have veto power, given their weight in the world. This is important because it means that everything that is agreed upon at the UNSC, including the existence of war crime tribunals like ICTY, is approved by those members.

You don't have to take my word for it of course.

icj1

pre 7 godina

Btw, can you provide the link to what YOU say is Harhoff's opinion? So far we only have what YOU say that Harhoff said. You've not provided any link to Harhoff's opinion so it can checked given the fact that what you write is seldom correct (sorry, but it's not my fault that your credibility is so low)!
(icj1, 29 September 2016 20:07)

Harhoff's confirmation of US led corruption at the ICTY can be found at:
[link]
(Amnesty Yugoslavia, 30 September 2016 07:52)

Nice try, but there is not any opinion written by judge Harhoff at that link that confirms beyond reasonable doubt "that the UN organization investigating crimes in the former Yugoslavia are plagued by US led corruption and prejudicial political decisions ordered by its US led judge" as you wrote.

Do you want to give it another try, or what you wrote was just the usual lie?!

icj1

pre 7 godina

Harhoff's confirmation of US led corruption at the ICTY can be found at:
[link]
(Amnesty Yugoslavia, 30 September 2016 07:52)

Nice try, but there is not any opinion written by judge Harhoff at that link that confirms beyond reasonable doubt "that the UN organization investigating crimes in the former Yugoslavia are plagued by US led corruption and prejudicial political decisions ordered by its US led judge" as you wrote.

Do you want to give it another try, or what you wrote was just the usual lie?!
(icj1, 30 September 2016 22:17)

Judge Harhoff's written opinion are, in fact, Judge Harhoff's written words.
(Amnesty Yugoslavia, 1 October 2016 01:29)

of course, nobody questioned that so congratulations for convincing yourself that Judge Harhoff's written opinion are, in fact, Judge Harhoff's written words lol

But you still have not provided a link to this Judge Harhoff's written judgement which confirms beyond reasonable doubt "that the UN organization investigating crimes in the former Yugoslavia are plagued by US led corruption and prejudicial political decisions ordered by its US led judge" as you wrote!

Writings don't become facts just because a serial liar like you writes them. You even provided a link that, according to you, contains that judgement by Judge Harhoff where he wrote the opinion you claim, but it turned out that it did not. You just continue to provide more and more evidence that you are a serial liar :)

Englishman

pre 7 godina

"Meanwhile you bombed Serbia by-passing the UN security council and then had no problem with the albanians declaring independence in direct violation of UN Resolution 1244.
(Goran., 27 September 2016 10:08)

They bombed serbia to halt ethnic cleansing being conducted in Kosovo by serbs. Let's not forget that the reasoning was obvious as they had already seen what genocide the Serbs can commit in Bosnia and Herzegovina.
The referendum was a farce to say the least. Serbs ethnically cleansed the Republic of srpska and have been doing nothing to aid the return of Croats and Bosniacs. Then they hold a referendum among what people are left behind. Quite despicable.
At the same time serbs have the nerve to falsely blame other countries like Croatia for not promoting the return of displaced people.
Is there no end to your lies and deceit?

Englishman

pre 7 godina

He thought my real name as "Ari" and made it clear that this is not a Serbian name.
(Ari Gold, 27 September 2016 12:21)

I never said that your name is not Serbian. I said it sounded Lebanese, that's all. Stop twisting the truth and putting words in other people's mouths.
Interesting how you attack the nick I have chosen instead of the truth in my post.
You poor person, having to live among the very people that bombed you and lying to yourself that it was only their leaders.

icj1

pre 7 godina

the truth as you know and the whole world knows is that the US (and its NATO war hounds) waged an ILLEGAL war against Serbia in 1999 just as it did again in Iraq 2003 and all other wars since though the US see their death and destruction as "collateral" in the pursuit of Humanitarianism. Iraq was a lie and deceit of WMD whearas against Serbia it was a lie and deceit
(Principa, Gracanica, Kosovo & Methojia, SERBIA, 27 September 2016 14:38)

Well, first of all, Iraq and Serbia are not the same thing, so it looks like you need some lessons in elementary level geography.

Second, not sure what "lie and deceit" you're talking about. Serbia's military and related infrastructure were bombed to stop the war crimes and crimes against humanity that members of the Serb forces were committing in Kosovo. After the war, the UN confirmed that members of the Serb forces did indeed commit war crimes and crimes against humanity in Kosovo. So, not sure why we should believe a nobody like you instead of the UN!

Englishman

pre 7 godina

Let the truth set you free "Englishman"...Oh what a tangled web we weave....
(Principa, Gracanica, Kosovo & Methojia, SERBIA, 27 September 2016 14:38)

This is an example of what came to an end when NATO put a leash on Serbia.
https://youtu.be/cKJCtjvCvRU

Let the truth set YOU free.

Goran.

pre 7 godina

citizens decided to continue marking January 9 as RS Day - was held "in direct contravention of a decision by the Constitutional Court of Bosnia-Herzegovina."Meanwhile you bombed Serbia by-passing the UN security council and then had no problem with the albanians declaring independence in direct violation of UN Resolution 1244....and you have a problem with Serbs having a referendum regarding which day they celebrate?

marKo

pre 7 godina

this statement, from the government of the United States condemning a peaceful and democratic election regarding the date of a holiday is an embarrassment and discredit to the United States.

Tony (a Brit in Berlin)

pre 7 godina

Typical US double standards... The Dayton Agreement is not the basis for a long-term solution. The RS should leave the BH federation. Let the Bosniaks and their subservient Croats take their entity to ruin.

US is evil

pre 7 godina

Talk about US hypocrisy and double standards!! The US created ISIS, overthrows democratically ellected governments and imposes their own puppet dictators, not to mention it's total disregard for international law. The US is the largest terrorist state on the planet and has created more pain and suffering all over the world then any other nation. One day it will all come around back to them!

Principa, Gracanica, Kosovo & Methojia, SERBIA

pre 7 godina

"They bombed serbia to halt ethnic cleansing being conducted in Kosovo by serbs. "
- so called "Englishman"

- the truth as you know and the whole world knows is that the US (and its NATO war hounds) waged an ILLEGAL war against Serbia in 1999 just as it did again in Iraq 2003 and all other wars since though the US see their death and destruction as "collateral" in the pursuit of Humanitarianism. Iraq was a lie and deceit of WMD whearas against Serbia it was a lie and deceit over WMG (Whearabouts of Mass Graves) that never were...

...to quote someone impartial and on the ground with Amnesty in 1999 Conor Foley;

"The death toll in Kosovo was in the hundreds before the start of the bombing campaign. It was around 5,000 by the end. Not quite the "genocide" that some people claimed, incidentally, but not a good precedent either.

I was working at Amnesty International during the Kosovo crisis. I first visited refugee camps in Albania and Macedonia during the conflict and then spent a year in Pristina seconded into the UN High Commissioner for Refugees. Tony Blair says that we "reversed ethnic cleansing" there, but I would not count the expulsion of over 100,000 Serbs and Roma from a province guarded by 40,000 Nato troops as a success."
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2007/apr/20/oliverkammvconorfoley

Let the truth set you free "Englishman"...Oh what a tangled web we weave....

Je suis devet

pre 7 godina

A condemnation from a warmongering, blood soaked US state dept that sows death and destruction in Syria, Iraq, Afghanistan, Yemen, Libya, and countless other countries, has the boys of Python busting their ribs in laughter. Now the world knows the referendum was a righteous and legal expression from a free people. Srecna 9 Januar.

Ari Gold

pre 7 godina

Is there no end to your lies and deceit?
(Englishman, 27 September 2016 10:32)

Guys remember, this man is a fraud and is trying to pose as an "Englishman" in a desperate attempt to give his pathetic opinions more weight than they should have. He thought my real name as "Ari" and made it clear that this is not a Serbian name. Obviously, he would have to be from the Balkans to know what is a Serbian name, and what is not. He's a pitiful little troll and doesn't do a very good job at it either. But he thinks that if he convinces you he's an "Englishman", then perhaps he will come off as more objective than being just another Albo/Croat troll.

Is there no end to your lies and deceit?
Poor pathetic fraud.

rote

pre 7 godina

Englishman : I never said that your name is not Serbian. I said it sounded Lebanese, that's all. Stop twisting the truth …

Ad hoq Lebanon sounds Lubnan in Arabian and means ALBANIA i.e. White Horde so twisting the truth is a a relative concept. Same with the “genocide the Serbs can commit in Bosnia” as the biggest genocide in former Yugoslavia was committed against the Serbs. Up to now Croatian crimes against Serbs were the biggest and they are not avenged … yet.

Pushka

pre 7 godina

All these down votes for anyone posting truths or should I say hypocrisies that are elementary to anything that the US does. You fascists of all denominations - fools that are being sodomized by the US Pied Piper (for those who don't know - an English Character that was a pedophile). Clap clap you stupid morons. Without the Serbs you would lose the voice that you stupidly hold onto. Serbs, Croats, Bosniaks - why are we so stupid? Oh - correction - the only stupid ones seem to the those that ride on the back of US scum. Good luck with the Arabs.

William UK

pre 7 godina

Think you have a point Ari, the guy looks like a fraud to me with a hatred for Serbs, so not to be taken seriously. You can see how he generally refers to anything Serbian as "serb" (small s) but Croats and Bosniaks he uses a capital.

Yes, the US is cherry picking. How can a referendum be illegal? Good news is that Jeremy Corbyn was re-elected Labour leader so the world has hope after all.

Amnesty Yugoslavia

pre 7 godina

After the war, the UN confirmed that members of the Serb forces did indeed commit war crimes and crimes against humanity in Kosovo. So, not sure why we should believe a nobody like you instead of the UN!
(icj1, 27 September 2016 15:20)

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icj1 is a somebody....icj1 is the undisputed CB of B92.
icj1 takes great pride in labeling an entire ethnic group with a neurological disorder. Diagnoses based on ethnicity and the practice of debunked Mengele science makes icj1 a rambling somebody on B92.

We're not sure what UN confirmation the CB of B92 is referencing. But a UN judge by the name of Harhoff did confirm that the UN organization investigating crimes in the former Yugoslavia are plagued by US led corruption and prejudicial political decisions ordered by its US led judge.

Kent Prince

pre 7 godina

As far as I know the BIH Constitution does not prohibit referendums. For the constitutional court to prohibit this is a violation of human rights and the right for self determination.

Kent Prince

pre 7 godina

The US should be condemning the speeches threatening to kill the democratic elected president of the RS instead of impeding a democratic principle such as a referendum.

rote

pre 7 godina

Amnesty Yugoslavia
icj1

In my childhood two my elder neighbors played chess under the same scenario. One would make a move saying БЗДИШЬ? = ARE YOU AFRAID ? (slang). The other would make a counter move accompanied with БЗДУНУ БЗДЮНЯЧАЯ СМЕРТЬ! = COWARD’S DEATH TO THE COWARD! And it lasted for years just like with you two …

Tabasco

pre 7 godina

Ari you should give the Englishman a two-fingered salute just to confirm his ethnicity. If he is English then he'll be able to understand what you want him to do!!

factman

pre 7 godina

Serbia's military and related infrastructure were bombed to stop the war crimes and crimes against humanity that members of the Serb forces were committing in Kosovo. After the war, the UN confirmed that members of the Serb forces did indeed commit war crimes and crimes against humanity in Kosovo.

#####

Ohhh.... is that why they bombed?

Fairy tale.

One method of ensuring a bigger power intervenes on your behalf is to ensure that a desirable number of civilian casualties occur -- to manufacture reasons for an intervention. This is achieved by putting
your civilians in deliberate jeopardy or by ensuring the other side falls into carefully conceived traps which cause civilian casualties a a rate that can manufacture consent for intervention.

This does not mean that elements of Serb forces needed any rationale to commit war crimes. They did them of their own accord. But it shows that you are not really a credible voice on this website.

Reader

pre 7 godina

"We're not sure what UN confirmation the CB of B92 is referencing."

I am frankly surprised that you don't know, you seem to know everything AY :). Let me humbly try to help you: I am pretty positive icj1 is referencing the many many 'heroes' belonging to the Serbian military and government, who have been condemned by the ICTY for war crimes in former Yugoslavia and, more specifically, Kosovo. If you don't know, ICTY is a UN institution, established by the UN Security Council to deal with those crimes. The UN Security Council is another UN institution composed of Russia, China, the US, and other countries. Some of the members of the UNSC have veto power, given their weight in the world. This is important because it means that everything that is agreed upon at the UNSC, including the existence of war crime tribunals like ICTY, is approved by those members.

You don't have to take my word for it of course.

icj1

pre 7 godina

a UN judge by the name of Harhoff did confirm that the UN organization investigating crimes in the former Yugoslavia are plagued by US led corruption and prejudicial political decisions ordered by its US led judge.
(Amnesty Yugoslavia, 27 September 2016 16:19)

Oh, really?! Can you please provide a link to the judgement that this UN judge wrote where he determined beyond reasonable doubt that the UN organization investigating crimes in the former Yugoslavia are plagued by US led corruption and prejudicial political decisions ordered by its US led judge?

icj1

pre 7 godina

Can you please provide a link to the judgement that this UN judge wrote where he determined beyond reasonable doubt that the UN organization investigating crimes in the former Yugoslavia are plagued by US led corruption and prejudicial political decisions ordered by its US led judge?
(icj1, 28 September 2016 19:13) l

Translated to English from his original Danish opinion electronically published on the internet on June 26, 2013 , Frederik.Harhoff @icty.org wrote the following:

"...reports of the same American (Meron) presiding judge’s tenacious pressure on his colleagues in the Gotovina – Perisic case makes you think he was determined to achieve an acquittal – and especially that he was lucky enough to convince the elderly Turkish judge to change his mind at the last minute. Both judgements then became majority judgements 3 -2."
(Amnesty Yugoslavia, 29 September 2016 07:47)

So this opinion by Judge Harhoff nowhere concluded beyond reasonable doubt "that the UN organization investigating crimes in the former Yugoslavia are plagued by US led corruption and prejudicial political decisions ordered by its US led judge" as you wrote.

Btw, can you provide the link to what YOU say is Harhoff's opinion? So far we only have what YOU say that Harhoff said. You've not provided any link to Harhoff's opinion so it can checked given the fact that what you write is seldom correct (sorry, but it's not my fault that your credibility is so low)!

icj1

pre 7 godina

After the war, the UN confirmed that members of the Serb forces did indeed commit war crimes and crimes against humanity in Kosovo. So, not sure why we should believe a nobody like you instead of the UN!
(icj1, 27 September 2016 15:20)

We're not sure what UN confirmation
(Amnesty Yugoslavia, 27 September 2016 16:19)

Well, with you being a distinguished reader of legal texts and a distinguished jurist, I'm surprised that you are not sure. But, anyway, I can always help. So, according to the UN http://www.icty.org/x/cases/milutinovic/tjug/en/090226summary.pdf "the crimes of: deportation, a crime against humanity; other inhumane acts (forcible transfer), a crime against humanity; murder, a violation of the laws or customs of war, and a crime against humanity; and murder, sexual assault, and wanton destruction of or damage to religious property, as forms of persecution on ethnic grounds, were committed by VJ and MUP forces".

Feel free to share it with "Principa" to get him/her educated, as well.

Amnesty Yugoslavia

pre 7 godina

Oh, really?!
(icj1, 28 September 2016 19:13)

icj1, the CB of B92, rightfully questions his/her own grasp of reality. In icj1's warped reality, he/she associates a neurological disorder with ethnicity. icj1's warped reality is ignorant to the historical fact of innocent Yugoslavs murdered in war crimes that were ignored by the corrupt ICTY. Translated to English from his original Danish opinion electronically published on the internet on June 26, 2013 , Frederik.Harhoff @icty.org wrote the following:

"...reports of the same American (Meron) presiding judge’s tenacious pressure on his colleagues in the Gotovina – Perisic case makes you think he was determined to achieve an acquittal – and especially that he was lucky enough to convince the elderly Turkish judge to change his mind at the last minute. Both judgements then became majority judgements 3 -2."

"...leading states (such as USA and Israel) felt that the courts in practice were getting too close to the military commanders’ responsibilities."

In subsequent opinion Judge Harhoff published the following motive for Meron's US-dictated political acquittals:

"...the United States strongly supported the Croats with arms and intelligence. Gotovina was only able to defeat the Serbs militarily because of the American support. Would that in any way implicate the US Army? Probably not. But we don’t know what the accused might have revealed, if he had been convicted."

icj1

pre 7 godina

Serbia's military and related infrastructure were bombed to stop the war crimes and crimes against humanity that members of the Serb forces were committing in Kosovo. After the war, the UN confirmed that members of the Serb forces did indeed commit war crimes and crimes against humanity in Kosovo.
(icj1, 27 September 2016 15:20)

Ohhh.... is that why they bombed?
Fairy tale.
One method of ensuring a bigger power intervenes on your behalf is to ensure that a desirable number of civilian casualties occur -- to manufacture reasons for an intervention.
(factman, 28 September 2016 02:48)

So, take a breath and read again what you wrote!

You are confirming what I wrote that the bigger power intervened because of the civilian casualties

icj1

pre 7 godina

Btw, can you provide the link to what YOU say is Harhoff's opinion? So far we only have what YOU say that Harhoff said. You've not provided any link to Harhoff's opinion so it can checked given the fact that what you write is seldom correct (sorry, but it's not my fault that your credibility is so low)!
(icj1, 29 September 2016 20:07)

Harhoff's confirmation of US led corruption at the ICTY can be found at:
[link]
(Amnesty Yugoslavia, 30 September 2016 07:52)

Nice try, but there is not any opinion written by judge Harhoff at that link that confirms beyond reasonable doubt "that the UN organization investigating crimes in the former Yugoslavia are plagued by US led corruption and prejudicial political decisions ordered by its US led judge" as you wrote.

Do you want to give it another try, or what you wrote was just the usual lie?!

icj1

pre 7 godina

Harhoff's confirmation of US led corruption at the ICTY can be found at:
[link]
(Amnesty Yugoslavia, 30 September 2016 07:52)

Nice try, but there is not any opinion written by judge Harhoff at that link that confirms beyond reasonable doubt "that the UN organization investigating crimes in the former Yugoslavia are plagued by US led corruption and prejudicial political decisions ordered by its US led judge" as you wrote.

Do you want to give it another try, or what you wrote was just the usual lie?!
(icj1, 30 September 2016 22:17)

Judge Harhoff's written opinion are, in fact, Judge Harhoff's written words.
(Amnesty Yugoslavia, 1 October 2016 01:29)

of course, nobody questioned that so congratulations for convincing yourself that Judge Harhoff's written opinion are, in fact, Judge Harhoff's written words lol

But you still have not provided a link to this Judge Harhoff's written judgement which confirms beyond reasonable doubt "that the UN organization investigating crimes in the former Yugoslavia are plagued by US led corruption and prejudicial political decisions ordered by its US led judge" as you wrote!

Writings don't become facts just because a serial liar like you writes them. You even provided a link that, according to you, contains that judgement by Judge Harhoff where he wrote the opinion you claim, but it turned out that it did not. You just continue to provide more and more evidence that you are a serial liar :)

Pisa

pre 7 godina

icj1 the CB that just won't go away. What does he/she think war is? Correct me if it's delusional to suppose that one side tries to kill the enemy (the opposing side). That being the case no act in a war can be deemed a crime if it can then war itself is a crime(actually it is that's why Serbians never start them!).

Amnesty Yugoslavia

pre 7 godina

Btw, can you provide the link to what YOU say is Harhoff's opinion?
(icj1, 29 September 2016 20:07)
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Harhoff's confirmation of US led corruption at the ICTY can be found at:
http://icr.icty.org
Referenced by IT-03-67-T, D60920, 28 August 2013.

icj1, the CB of B92 has been fed this reference multiple times. Furthermore, the text is widely available on line from the Danish newspaper "BT" which also published a complete version.

Despite providing this information to the CB of B92, repeatedly, icj1 is ignorant of this document. icj1 is a self-diagnosed nihilist boastful of his/her multifactorial ignorance across a broad number of subject areas. One in particular, is the murder of innocent Yugoslavs in a crusade of US sponsored war crimes is ignored by icj1 and the corrupt ICTY.

icj1 would rather ramble-on denying the corruption at the ICTY, as he/she remains a steadfast practitioner of warped Mengele scientific methods.

PS CB= Chief Bigot

Amnesty Yugoslavia

pre 7 godina

Writings don't become facts just because a serial liar like you writes them.
(icj1, 1 October 2016 17:07)

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icj1, the CB of B92, is the only proven liar. In our last exchange icj1, the CB of B92, idiotically lied that I penned Judge Harhoff's words. Icj1 lied. Harhoff's opinion was written by none other than the UN judge Frederik Harhoff.

News organizations across the world published or reported on those same words. icj1 can't log onto a database and read the reference to Harhoff's words in IT-03-67-T, D60920, 28 August 2013. Icj 1 has now proven that he/she can't read a reference.

icj1 the CB of B92, denies Judge Harhoff's written opinion. In contrast to the self-lying icj1, news organizations such as BT, The Guardian, the New York Times , Sputnik, Suddeutsche Zeitung and countless others all published Harhoff's opinion, in whole or in part. Icj1 is lying that all those organizations were posting writings from Amnesty Yugoslavia. The truth is that they all quote Judge Harhoff.

Bigots such as icj1, live in a warped world where their intolerance is justified by lies and deceit to themselves and others. The truth is that corruption at the ICTY was exposed by UN appointed Judge Hathoff.

PS CB = Chief Bigot (and obviously a liar)

factman

pre 7 godina

So, take a breath and read again what you wrote!

You are confirming what I wrote that the bigger power intervened because of the civilian casualties
(icj1, 29 September 2016 20:36)

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Yes, I am confirming that many civilian deaths took place. One could see that on the nightly news Sherlock.

I am however saying that one side manufactured consent and a significant amount of shock value by deliberately doing it to themselves.

Educate yourself. Read Chomsky.

Amnesty Yugoslavia

pre 7 godina

Do you want to give it another try, or what you wrote was just the usual lie?!
(icj1, 30 September 2016 22:17)

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Judge Harhoff's written opinion are, in fact, Judge Harhoff's written words. They are not anyone's usual lie (unless you're the usual icj1), they are the written words from a UN appointed judge.
In the warped world of icj1, the CB of B92 ignorantly classifies the Judge's opinion, as someone else's lies. It's one thing for icj1 to diagnosis themselves as an ignorant nihilist, but our resident psychopath is now denying that Judge Harhoff published an opinion and asserts that the Judge's words are lies posted by others.

One obviously can not expect any semblance of logic from the CB of B92, who makes Mengele proud by painting an ethnic group with a neurological disorder.

Judge Harhoff's opinion has been referenced in whole or part, in ICTY trial records, the BT in Denmark, the NYT in the US, Sputnik in Russia, Suddeutsche Zeitung in Germany and countless other publications; they've all quoted the same words from the UN appointed judge. Despite icj1's false claims of "usual lies", I quoted those exact same words.

icj1, the CB of B92, should realize that his "usual" ignorance and repeated denial of plain factual text, reproduced in thousands of publications and read by millions, has only incriminated icj1 as the liar.

PS CB= Chief Bigot