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"EUgoslavia" not quite there yet - "still has no Milosevic"

The term "EUgoslavia" means that the EU is going through the same process as the former Yugoslavia, says University of Graz, Austria professor Florian Bieber.

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Amnesty Yugoslavia

pre 7 godina

Which JNA barracks across Yugoslavia did the Croats and Slovenes attack and when did that happen, mate ?!
(icj1, 24 September 2016 01:05)

icj1, the CB of B92, and his/her ramblings reflect total ignorance of facts. icj1's grasp of historical facts is worse than his/her racist medical diagnoses. icj1's endless and fabricated narratives do not include crimes committed against Yugoslavs. The well documented attacks on barracks and the murder of captured JNA personnel and innocent Yugoslavs is not a fact in icj1's or ICTY's idiotic ramblings.

PS CB = Chief Bigot

DEDA CVETKO

pre 7 godina

Le Pen, Pegida, AfD, Golden Shower...er, I mean, Golden Dawn, Polish ultranationalists, Lithuanian nazi war veterans, JOBIK, Italian separatists, UK's National Front/UKIP, Scandinavian right-wingers, Croatian nazi revivalists, Austrian "volkers", Bosnian wahabis, Albanian organ traffickers, Ukrainian death squads, you name it, Europe has it.

In fact, Europe is CHOCK FULL of little Milosevic wannabes, just waiting for the rock of fake neoliberal (i.e. Weimar) democracy to be cast aside to start crawling out. It is only a matter of time: a matter of when, not if. The time is nigh.

Miloš Obilić

pre 7 godina

i know it's probably a trap, but i will take the bait just once.
here you go icj1. enjoy, "mate"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_the_Barracks

joseph

pre 7 godina

without Mr.M...
Not directly relevant to this topic,...

( concerning the effect of the chemical
found in the blood test of the late
Pres. Not able to complete this.
Several medications would be affected. It
appears a few would not. CThe late Pres.
could have been usuing more than one medi-
-cation. This would increase the chance of
the chemical affection control. The easi-
-eest is to find out what medication/s were
used). thank you.

icj1

pre 7 godina

The Yugoslav federation was in a stale mate and the Croats and Slovenes decided to take the violence route and attack JNA barracks across Yugoslavia.
(Jugoslavija, 22 September 2016 16:50)

Which JNA barracks across Yugoslavia did the Croats and Slovenes attack and when did that happen, mate ?!

icj1

pre 7 godina

The Yugoslav federation was in a stale mate and the Croats and Slovenes decided to take the violence route and attack JNA barracks across Yugoslavia.
(Jugoslavija, 22 September 2016 16:50)

Which JNA barracks across Yugoslavia did the Croats and Slovenes attack and when did that happen, mate ?!

Mirror Mirror

pre 7 godina

Serbia media is totaly different than Romanian media "

Yet Romania is butt buddies with the United States, hosting its 'missile defense' that is a direct threat to Russia. Quite a good way to make your self a priority nuclear target, something which you all did by your selves. $5?

EU Dude

pre 7 godina

Ah, Bieber, the go to guy for the western funded balkan media channels. He was often featured on Balkan Insight which used to be BIRN (Balkan Investigative Reporters Network) which is heavily funded by the Western countries, the usual 'NGOs' etc.

His whole 'EUgolsavia' is bs and I suspect he came up with the term himself (i.e. never heard anywhere else) while having an EUgasm. I guess it is easy to make a name for yourself when the usual bs media hangs on your every word. It doesn't make it true.

Gjon Marku

pre 7 godina

EU is a union of interests. All Members can leave when they want and join as long as they align their policies with the Union.

Yugo on the other hand was a articicial country held together by force and violence. First by an oppressive communist party later by national socialist Serbia. Yugo killed and imprisoned hundreds of thousands anti-communist and Serbia killed approx 150-200k in 4 Wars to fullfill their greater Serbia dream.

Until I see one EU country tank rolling in another EU country and killing people for just thinking different, then NO, EU is nothing like Yugoslavia.

Florian Bieber is a Hack

pre 7 godina

He is not Austrian, rather he is from Luxembourg. I personally critiqued a conference paper for him back in 2010 that had to do with the Milosevic trial. I was stunned at how shallow his arguments were and how they seemed to only echo the cookie-cutter and ill-informed journalists that covered the trial. As another commentator already mentioned, Alija had his Muslim nationalist plans formulated well before anyone had even heard of Slobodan Milosevic and Franjo Tudjman was also well on his way to being a Croatian nationalist/separatist before the time of Milosevic. Milosevic was a reedy and idiotic piece of you know what, but let's not discount the actions and words of some other harmful actors in the disintegration of YU and most importantly in the formation of terrible violence.

Avni

pre 7 godina

DW: Miloševićevi sledbenici ništa nisu naučili
http://www.b92.net/info/vesti/index.php?yyyy=2016&mm=09&dd=22&nav_category=11&nav_id=1179810

Nikolle

pre 7 godina

Reading comments on this article, a lot of people who are not even citizens of EU member states, seem to wish it would unravel, may I ask why that is? Why does Ari Gold, a US citizen, care? For that matter shy dies William UK care? The EU has been THE primary vehicle in preventing war between European nations, at least western ones and if that is the only reason to wish for its continued existance, then that is a good enough reason. The EU will continue with or wothout the UK.

Tony (a Brit in Berlin)

pre 7 godina

EUslavia doesn't have Milosovic but it has Merkel and her lap-dog "Adolf" Juncker... That's enough to ensure that its days are doomed and thank heaven's for that! The sooner the EU is buried the better!!

Sreten

pre 7 godina

Jugoslavia,
right on the spot.

""Secondly, the EU is a voluntary association and all members could leave at any time."

And Yugoslavia was a country where every constituting nation had a right to self-determination. That is why coat-of-arms of Yugoslavia had 5 torches until 1965 when Muslims were recognized as nation as well.

https://bs.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grb_Socijalisti%C4%8Dke_federativne_republike_Jugoslavije

William UK

pre 7 godina

I doubt it will disintegrate like EUgoslavia or the EUSSR, it will disintegrate in its own unique way, by popular vote. It has already started with Brexit and Euroscepticism is on the increase so expect others, Nexit, Frexit and so on ;-)

Ari Gold

pre 7 godina

Yes, I'm sure Milosevic made Izetbegovic write the "Islamic Declaration" which envisioned a Islamic State in Bosnia way back before Milosevic was ever elected. Or maybe Milosevic was rounding up Ustasha Croat expats living in Australia and the U.S. to plan an independent state of Croatia again. What this Bieber idiot doesn't realize is that Yugoslavia was structurally flawed and doomed to fail regardless of who its leader is. And just like that, the EU is also doomed to fail because its not a sustainable model.

But you can look at Angela Merkel as your Milosevic if you wish. She isn't pumping nationalism, but rather a sick version of globalism mixed with the call last year of as many migrants to come to Europe as possible. Pissing off eastern Europe, imposing austerity on southern Europe, imposing mass immigration to northern Europe... all while German exports thrive with the Euro exchange mechanism.

Jugoslavija

pre 7 godina

This guy must be related to Justin Bieber, Yugoslavia was never under the full power of Milosevic; it was a civil war. The Yugoslav federation was in a stale mate and the Croats and Slovenes decided to take the violence route and attack JNA barracks across Yugoslavia.

adrian_bucharest

pre 7 godina

Serbia media is totaly different than Romanian media

I read in many Serbian websites often about Russia and that they want to influence Balkan , in our Romanian website is never nothing about Russia , only when happen international important things involving Russia

Serbian website are free , but different

Republic of Moldova websites are not free , they say there only good things about economy of Moldova ! lol

This b92 is a good website , BLIC is someting as Romanian websites in special with that boring often news about curency excange rate !

in Moldova website they say only beautifull words about Russia i would say Republic of Moldova is the little Serbia they want Russia to !

As level of life in Romania develop very fast i see some Moldova people changed their view !

Jugoslavija

pre 7 godina

This guy must be related to Justin Bieber, Yugoslavia was never under the full power of Milosevic; it was a civil war. The Yugoslav federation was in a stale mate and the Croats and Slovenes decided to take the violence route and attack JNA barracks across Yugoslavia.

Ari Gold

pre 7 godina

Yes, I'm sure Milosevic made Izetbegovic write the "Islamic Declaration" which envisioned a Islamic State in Bosnia way back before Milosevic was ever elected. Or maybe Milosevic was rounding up Ustasha Croat expats living in Australia and the U.S. to plan an independent state of Croatia again. What this Bieber idiot doesn't realize is that Yugoslavia was structurally flawed and doomed to fail regardless of who its leader is. And just like that, the EU is also doomed to fail because its not a sustainable model.

But you can look at Angela Merkel as your Milosevic if you wish. She isn't pumping nationalism, but rather a sick version of globalism mixed with the call last year of as many migrants to come to Europe as possible. Pissing off eastern Europe, imposing austerity on southern Europe, imposing mass immigration to northern Europe... all while German exports thrive with the Euro exchange mechanism.

William UK

pre 7 godina

I doubt it will disintegrate like EUgoslavia or the EUSSR, it will disintegrate in its own unique way, by popular vote. It has already started with Brexit and Euroscepticism is on the increase so expect others, Nexit, Frexit and so on ;-)

Sreten

pre 7 godina

Jugoslavia,
right on the spot.

""Secondly, the EU is a voluntary association and all members could leave at any time."

And Yugoslavia was a country where every constituting nation had a right to self-determination. That is why coat-of-arms of Yugoslavia had 5 torches until 1965 when Muslims were recognized as nation as well.

https://bs.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grb_Socijalisti%C4%8Dke_federativne_republike_Jugoslavije

Tony (a Brit in Berlin)

pre 7 godina

EUslavia doesn't have Milosovic but it has Merkel and her lap-dog "Adolf" Juncker... That's enough to ensure that its days are doomed and thank heaven's for that! The sooner the EU is buried the better!!

Florian Bieber is a Hack

pre 7 godina

He is not Austrian, rather he is from Luxembourg. I personally critiqued a conference paper for him back in 2010 that had to do with the Milosevic trial. I was stunned at how shallow his arguments were and how they seemed to only echo the cookie-cutter and ill-informed journalists that covered the trial. As another commentator already mentioned, Alija had his Muslim nationalist plans formulated well before anyone had even heard of Slobodan Milosevic and Franjo Tudjman was also well on his way to being a Croatian nationalist/separatist before the time of Milosevic. Milosevic was a reedy and idiotic piece of you know what, but let's not discount the actions and words of some other harmful actors in the disintegration of YU and most importantly in the formation of terrible violence.

Mirror Mirror

pre 7 godina

Serbia media is totaly different than Romanian media "

Yet Romania is butt buddies with the United States, hosting its 'missile defense' that is a direct threat to Russia. Quite a good way to make your self a priority nuclear target, something which you all did by your selves. $5?

Avni

pre 7 godina

DW: Miloševićevi sledbenici ništa nisu naučili
http://www.b92.net/info/vesti/index.php?yyyy=2016&mm=09&dd=22&nav_category=11&nav_id=1179810

EU Dude

pre 7 godina

Ah, Bieber, the go to guy for the western funded balkan media channels. He was often featured on Balkan Insight which used to be BIRN (Balkan Investigative Reporters Network) which is heavily funded by the Western countries, the usual 'NGOs' etc.

His whole 'EUgolsavia' is bs and I suspect he came up with the term himself (i.e. never heard anywhere else) while having an EUgasm. I guess it is easy to make a name for yourself when the usual bs media hangs on your every word. It doesn't make it true.

adrian_bucharest

pre 7 godina

Serbia media is totaly different than Romanian media

I read in many Serbian websites often about Russia and that they want to influence Balkan , in our Romanian website is never nothing about Russia , only when happen international important things involving Russia

Serbian website are free , but different

Republic of Moldova websites are not free , they say there only good things about economy of Moldova ! lol

This b92 is a good website , BLIC is someting as Romanian websites in special with that boring often news about curency excange rate !

in Moldova website they say only beautifull words about Russia i would say Republic of Moldova is the little Serbia they want Russia to !

As level of life in Romania develop very fast i see some Moldova people changed their view !

Gjon Marku

pre 7 godina

EU is a union of interests. All Members can leave when they want and join as long as they align their policies with the Union.

Yugo on the other hand was a articicial country held together by force and violence. First by an oppressive communist party later by national socialist Serbia. Yugo killed and imprisoned hundreds of thousands anti-communist and Serbia killed approx 150-200k in 4 Wars to fullfill their greater Serbia dream.

Until I see one EU country tank rolling in another EU country and killing people for just thinking different, then NO, EU is nothing like Yugoslavia.

Miloš Obilić

pre 7 godina

i know it's probably a trap, but i will take the bait just once.
here you go icj1. enjoy, "mate"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_the_Barracks

Nikolle

pre 7 godina

Reading comments on this article, a lot of people who are not even citizens of EU member states, seem to wish it would unravel, may I ask why that is? Why does Ari Gold, a US citizen, care? For that matter shy dies William UK care? The EU has been THE primary vehicle in preventing war between European nations, at least western ones and if that is the only reason to wish for its continued existance, then that is a good enough reason. The EU will continue with or wothout the UK.

icj1

pre 7 godina

The Yugoslav federation was in a stale mate and the Croats and Slovenes decided to take the violence route and attack JNA barracks across Yugoslavia.
(Jugoslavija, 22 September 2016 16:50)

Which JNA barracks across Yugoslavia did the Croats and Slovenes attack and when did that happen, mate ?!

icj1

pre 7 godina

The Yugoslav federation was in a stale mate and the Croats and Slovenes decided to take the violence route and attack JNA barracks across Yugoslavia.
(Jugoslavija, 22 September 2016 16:50)

Which JNA barracks across Yugoslavia did the Croats and Slovenes attack and when did that happen, mate ?!

joseph

pre 7 godina

without Mr.M...
Not directly relevant to this topic,...

( concerning the effect of the chemical
found in the blood test of the late
Pres. Not able to complete this.
Several medications would be affected. It
appears a few would not. CThe late Pres.
could have been usuing more than one medi-
-cation. This would increase the chance of
the chemical affection control. The easi-
-eest is to find out what medication/s were
used). thank you.

DEDA CVETKO

pre 7 godina

Le Pen, Pegida, AfD, Golden Shower...er, I mean, Golden Dawn, Polish ultranationalists, Lithuanian nazi war veterans, JOBIK, Italian separatists, UK's National Front/UKIP, Scandinavian right-wingers, Croatian nazi revivalists, Austrian "volkers", Bosnian wahabis, Albanian organ traffickers, Ukrainian death squads, you name it, Europe has it.

In fact, Europe is CHOCK FULL of little Milosevic wannabes, just waiting for the rock of fake neoliberal (i.e. Weimar) democracy to be cast aside to start crawling out. It is only a matter of time: a matter of when, not if. The time is nigh.

Amnesty Yugoslavia

pre 7 godina

Which JNA barracks across Yugoslavia did the Croats and Slovenes attack and when did that happen, mate ?!
(icj1, 24 September 2016 01:05)

icj1, the CB of B92, and his/her ramblings reflect total ignorance of facts. icj1's grasp of historical facts is worse than his/her racist medical diagnoses. icj1's endless and fabricated narratives do not include crimes committed against Yugoslavs. The well documented attacks on barracks and the murder of captured JNA personnel and innocent Yugoslavs is not a fact in icj1's or ICTY's idiotic ramblings.

PS CB = Chief Bigot

Gjon Marku

pre 7 godina

EU is a union of interests. All Members can leave when they want and join as long as they align their policies with the Union.

Yugo on the other hand was a articicial country held together by force and violence. First by an oppressive communist party later by national socialist Serbia. Yugo killed and imprisoned hundreds of thousands anti-communist and Serbia killed approx 150-200k in 4 Wars to fullfill their greater Serbia dream.

Until I see one EU country tank rolling in another EU country and killing people for just thinking different, then NO, EU is nothing like Yugoslavia.

Nikolle

pre 7 godina

Reading comments on this article, a lot of people who are not even citizens of EU member states, seem to wish it would unravel, may I ask why that is? Why does Ari Gold, a US citizen, care? For that matter shy dies William UK care? The EU has been THE primary vehicle in preventing war between European nations, at least western ones and if that is the only reason to wish for its continued existance, then that is a good enough reason. The EU will continue with or wothout the UK.

icj1

pre 7 godina

The Yugoslav federation was in a stale mate and the Croats and Slovenes decided to take the violence route and attack JNA barracks across Yugoslavia.
(Jugoslavija, 22 September 2016 16:50)

Which JNA barracks across Yugoslavia did the Croats and Slovenes attack and when did that happen, mate ?!

icj1

pre 7 godina

The Yugoslav federation was in a stale mate and the Croats and Slovenes decided to take the violence route and attack JNA barracks across Yugoslavia.
(Jugoslavija, 22 September 2016 16:50)

Which JNA barracks across Yugoslavia did the Croats and Slovenes attack and when did that happen, mate ?!

Jugoslavija

pre 7 godina

This guy must be related to Justin Bieber, Yugoslavia was never under the full power of Milosevic; it was a civil war. The Yugoslav federation was in a stale mate and the Croats and Slovenes decided to take the violence route and attack JNA barracks across Yugoslavia.

adrian_bucharest

pre 7 godina

Serbia media is totaly different than Romanian media

I read in many Serbian websites often about Russia and that they want to influence Balkan , in our Romanian website is never nothing about Russia , only when happen international important things involving Russia

Serbian website are free , but different

Republic of Moldova websites are not free , they say there only good things about economy of Moldova ! lol

This b92 is a good website , BLIC is someting as Romanian websites in special with that boring often news about curency excange rate !

in Moldova website they say only beautifull words about Russia i would say Republic of Moldova is the little Serbia they want Russia to !

As level of life in Romania develop very fast i see some Moldova people changed their view !

Avni

pre 7 godina

DW: Miloševićevi sledbenici ništa nisu naučili
http://www.b92.net/info/vesti/index.php?yyyy=2016&mm=09&dd=22&nav_category=11&nav_id=1179810

Tony (a Brit in Berlin)

pre 7 godina

EUslavia doesn't have Milosovic but it has Merkel and her lap-dog "Adolf" Juncker... That's enough to ensure that its days are doomed and thank heaven's for that! The sooner the EU is buried the better!!

Ari Gold

pre 7 godina

Yes, I'm sure Milosevic made Izetbegovic write the "Islamic Declaration" which envisioned a Islamic State in Bosnia way back before Milosevic was ever elected. Or maybe Milosevic was rounding up Ustasha Croat expats living in Australia and the U.S. to plan an independent state of Croatia again. What this Bieber idiot doesn't realize is that Yugoslavia was structurally flawed and doomed to fail regardless of who its leader is. And just like that, the EU is also doomed to fail because its not a sustainable model.

But you can look at Angela Merkel as your Milosevic if you wish. She isn't pumping nationalism, but rather a sick version of globalism mixed with the call last year of as many migrants to come to Europe as possible. Pissing off eastern Europe, imposing austerity on southern Europe, imposing mass immigration to northern Europe... all while German exports thrive with the Euro exchange mechanism.

William UK

pre 7 godina

I doubt it will disintegrate like EUgoslavia or the EUSSR, it will disintegrate in its own unique way, by popular vote. It has already started with Brexit and Euroscepticism is on the increase so expect others, Nexit, Frexit and so on ;-)

Florian Bieber is a Hack

pre 7 godina

He is not Austrian, rather he is from Luxembourg. I personally critiqued a conference paper for him back in 2010 that had to do with the Milosevic trial. I was stunned at how shallow his arguments were and how they seemed to only echo the cookie-cutter and ill-informed journalists that covered the trial. As another commentator already mentioned, Alija had his Muslim nationalist plans formulated well before anyone had even heard of Slobodan Milosevic and Franjo Tudjman was also well on his way to being a Croatian nationalist/separatist before the time of Milosevic. Milosevic was a reedy and idiotic piece of you know what, but let's not discount the actions and words of some other harmful actors in the disintegration of YU and most importantly in the formation of terrible violence.

Sreten

pre 7 godina

Jugoslavia,
right on the spot.

""Secondly, the EU is a voluntary association and all members could leave at any time."

And Yugoslavia was a country where every constituting nation had a right to self-determination. That is why coat-of-arms of Yugoslavia had 5 torches until 1965 when Muslims were recognized as nation as well.

https://bs.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grb_Socijalisti%C4%8Dke_federativne_republike_Jugoslavije

Miloš Obilić

pre 7 godina

i know it's probably a trap, but i will take the bait just once.
here you go icj1. enjoy, "mate"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_the_Barracks

EU Dude

pre 7 godina

Ah, Bieber, the go to guy for the western funded balkan media channels. He was often featured on Balkan Insight which used to be BIRN (Balkan Investigative Reporters Network) which is heavily funded by the Western countries, the usual 'NGOs' etc.

His whole 'EUgolsavia' is bs and I suspect he came up with the term himself (i.e. never heard anywhere else) while having an EUgasm. I guess it is easy to make a name for yourself when the usual bs media hangs on your every word. It doesn't make it true.

Mirror Mirror

pre 7 godina

Serbia media is totaly different than Romanian media "

Yet Romania is butt buddies with the United States, hosting its 'missile defense' that is a direct threat to Russia. Quite a good way to make your self a priority nuclear target, something which you all did by your selves. $5?

joseph

pre 7 godina

without Mr.M...
Not directly relevant to this topic,...

( concerning the effect of the chemical
found in the blood test of the late
Pres. Not able to complete this.
Several medications would be affected. It
appears a few would not. CThe late Pres.
could have been usuing more than one medi-
-cation. This would increase the chance of
the chemical affection control. The easi-
-eest is to find out what medication/s were
used). thank you.

DEDA CVETKO

pre 7 godina

Le Pen, Pegida, AfD, Golden Shower...er, I mean, Golden Dawn, Polish ultranationalists, Lithuanian nazi war veterans, JOBIK, Italian separatists, UK's National Front/UKIP, Scandinavian right-wingers, Croatian nazi revivalists, Austrian "volkers", Bosnian wahabis, Albanian organ traffickers, Ukrainian death squads, you name it, Europe has it.

In fact, Europe is CHOCK FULL of little Milosevic wannabes, just waiting for the rock of fake neoliberal (i.e. Weimar) democracy to be cast aside to start crawling out. It is only a matter of time: a matter of when, not if. The time is nigh.

Amnesty Yugoslavia

pre 7 godina

Which JNA barracks across Yugoslavia did the Croats and Slovenes attack and when did that happen, mate ?!
(icj1, 24 September 2016 01:05)

icj1, the CB of B92, and his/her ramblings reflect total ignorance of facts. icj1's grasp of historical facts is worse than his/her racist medical diagnoses. icj1's endless and fabricated narratives do not include crimes committed against Yugoslavs. The well documented attacks on barracks and the murder of captured JNA personnel and innocent Yugoslavs is not a fact in icj1's or ICTY's idiotic ramblings.

PS CB = Chief Bigot