"Serbia didn't want Yugoslav breakup, West bided its time"

More self-serving revisionist bull which basically says that anything bad that opponents of Serbia did was deliberate policy, but anything bad that Serbia (and Jovic) did were mistakes.
Tying to portray himself as a victim rather than a cause. This is the guy who wanted to eject Croatia from Yugoslavia but keep the parts of Croatia where Serbs lived?!!!!
He wanted to create Greater Serbia but call it Yugoslavia and hope no-one would notice. When people say that Milosevic wanted to keep Yugoslavia intact this is also what he meant.

It is true that Croatia and Slovenia always had larger independence movements and it is true that many Serb leaders wanted to hold Yugoslavia together, but this was not because of brotherly love for the non-Serb members and a love of socialism and equality, but rather to keep all ethnic Serbs under one government, a gov that Serbia would control.

What Milosevic did to seize power in Kosovo, Vojvodjina and Montenegro to control the Yugo council was not a little mistake, it involved spreading deliberate lies and gathering 1000s of supporters and was perhaps the main event that put Kosovo on the path to independence, so if by mistake you mean illegal, unconstitutional, extra-judicial or criminal then ok.

It is true that the West lost interest in Yugoslavia one the USSR broke up, but to say that it was active policy of the West/NATO to destroy it is wrong. If anything, the West let allowed Yugoslavia to disintegrate through neglect.

Yugoslavia was tolerated by the West/NATO because it functioned as a buffer against the Warsaw Pact, ever since Tito broke with Stalin. However, Western powers were already back then eroding and undermining Yugoslavia. When the Berlin Wall came down and the Soviet Union and Warsaw Pact disintegrated, Yugoslavia lost it strategic importance for the West. Its fate was sealed. The West only needed a strategy to blow up Yugoslavia which was the strategy of victimizing one side and demonizing another. The irony is that the Left in Europe fell for that. That model has been rinsed and repeated elsewhere. Yugoslavia was the blueprint. It is all geopolitics. God helps the country that has an important geopolitical position and that is not able to defend itself.

Poor little serbia.
(Englishman, 14 September 2016 15:32)

This man thinks so little of his opinions that he has to pretend he is someone he's not. He knows this hate-filled drivel can't stand on its own feet so he hopes to convince you that he is a "Englishman" so that he can appear to be impartial and objective.

Poor pathetic fraud.

From Dwight: "He wanted to create Greater Serbia but call it Yugoslavia and hope no-one would notice. When people say that Milosevic wanted to keep Yugoslavia intact this is also what he meant."

Hey Dwight - NEWS FLASH - MILOSEVIC NOT GUILTY OF CREATING A CRIMINAL ENTERPRISE!! This comes from the Hague, so I'm sure you must believe it, right? You know, that objective international legal body that found all those Serbs guilty of war crimes, right?

So please, stop beating the Greater Serbia drum, you sound foolish. You guys paid millions to US PR firms to create a Greater Serbia campaign and it was successful. The west bought it hook, line & sinker. But when an objective international legal body investigated, it found no evidence to support your very expensive PR campaign. In short, it was a load of BS!

So the next time you accuse Serbs of trying to create a Greater Serbia, please provide an explanation of that still-born entity your beloved countrymen tried to create called Herceg Bosna. Funny you and your kind never seem to remember the Greater Croatia attempt.

Joe A

What I would add to your excellent comment is the dismemberment of Yugoslavia was also part of a concerted policy initiated by the United States and the other Western powers in 1989 to overthrow what remained of its socialist system and install a free-market economic order. The U.S. goal has been to transform the Yugoslav nation into a Third-World region, a cluster of weak right-wing nations integrated into Western Military alliances and dependent on Western charity handouts.
Lets not forget the West while committing its crimes in Yugoslavia in the name of peace, democracy and humanitarianism it supported the most divisive, reactionary forces from Croatia to Kosovo. In Croatia, the West's supported Tudjman, who claimed that "the establishment of Hitler's new European order can be justified by the need to be rid of the Jews".Tudjman's government also adopted the fascist Ustasha checkered flag and anthem and presided over the forced evacuation of over half a million Serbs from Croatia between 1991 and 1995, replete with rapes and summary executions. In Bosnia, U.S. leaders supported the Muslim fundamentalist Izetbegovic, an active Nazi in his youth, who wanted to establish an Islamic Bosnian republic.The same pattern continued in Kosovo by supporting KLA previously considered a terrorist organization by Washington and a big player-if not the biggest-in the enormous heroin trade that reaches Europe.
The Yugoslav pattern was repeated in Iraq,Libya and Syria.

@Leonidas, Joe A

Where do you come up with this junk?
Serb tanks rolled into Croatia, Bosnia & Herzegovina and Kosovo!
It never ceases to amaze me how Serbia looks for any excuse to play the victim and criminalize everyone else.
You make it sound as if the whole world is against Serbia. And if it is, maybe you should be asking yourselves why.
It's absolutely amazing how one nation can live in such utter and complete collective denial, making up outrageous conspiracy theories to support your own denial.
Once again:
When people are afraid of the truth they've got nowhere to turn. All they have at their disposal is censorship and denial. And Serbia is so deep in denial you can only feel pity for them. Because you know that in some dark chamber of their sub-conscious these wretched people know what a terrible thing they did and they know that history is going to revile them and their entire generation for it. But they just can't face up to it. Psychologically they are simply not big enough as people to acknowledge, let alone confront the enormity of their crimes. They back themselves into an ideological corner where their only option is to double down on the insanity and brazen it out until the bitter end while criminalizing anyone who draws attention to it.
Poor little serbia.

It's absolutely amazing how one nation can live in such utter and complete collective denial, making up outrageous conspiracy theories to support your own denial.
Englishman

I am afraid it's you that lives in denial and web of lies.To prove my point lets become time travellers and go back to 1998.Murdoch's Fox news and Blair's BBC had a field day in the propaganda war with their lies and fiction. Albright and W.Cohen were doing exactly the same on every Western media outlet.The alleged genocide of the Albanians were the menu of the day and all that in the altar of completing the dismembering of what was left of the old Yugoslavia. This is confirmed by a United Nations court has ruled that Serbian troops did not carry out genocide against ethnic Albanians in Kosovo from 1998 to 1999.
John Norris, who was Deputy Secretary of State Strobe Talbott's communications director during the Clinton Administration wrote a book in which he explains the real purpose of the war from his point of view. Norris explains that the bombing had nothing to do with concern for Kosovar Albanians.The U.S. decided to bomb because Serbia, the last corner of Europe, which had not subordinated itself to the U.S.-run neoliberal programs, and which was not carrying out the required social and economic reforms.

I think it boils down to - Serbia likes Russia while the rest are friendly towards the West, so the game of divide and conquer was played quite easily by the West. As usual though, they always have problems winning the peace. The region has been poisoned and divisions remain strong.

While I believe certain structures from the West helped expedite the disintegration of Yugoslavia, that's not the reason why it fell apart. The real reason is that Croats, being the 2nd largest group in Yugoslavia, never really wanted to live with Serbs or anyone else. It's just that with every major war, their sponsor would lose and Yugoslavia became the most available option at the time. When Austro-Hungary fell apart and the Serbian army liberated Zagreb, they saw union with Serbs as a temporary measure. Then in WWII, Croats sided with Hitler and Nazi Germany to create their Greater Croatian puppet state while Serbs gave their lives for Yugoslavia once again.

Serbia definitely didn't want Yugoslavia to fall apart. So much was sacrificed in two world wars for people who did not appreciate liberty or independence because they preferred to be vassals of some empire. But after Jasenovac and 20+ other Nazi Croat concentration camps where several hundred thousands of Serbs were butchered, a state union with Croatia should have never happened again.

And that's why the 90s went the way it did. Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me. Serbs have no one to blame but themselves for their irrational disillusion with Yugoslavia.

Forget Yugoslavia , serbia should be broken down into pieces to. Sandzak, Vojvodina , Presevo Valley , should split up or at least game republic on their own. No one should be allowed to stay with them.

Jovic the man who sent the tanks into other countries to kill non Serbs. The man who supported a GS. No idiot wanted to stay in YU because it was run by Serbs. Of course the Serbs wanted to stay in YU when they were collecting rent. Never again will we be a part of some twisted brainwashed Srboslavia. We've all ripped up our lease agreements with Beograd because frankly your a terrible landlord.

The former secretary of state in the 90s James Backer was trying to keep Yugoslavia together. Slovenia , and Croatia had made up their mind to leave and live separately , they were fed up and nobody can blame them about it. Serbia has nobody to blame but themselves. And now as usual twist and turn the stories

Leonidas,

Not a bad comment yourself :-)
After the fall of the Berlin wall, all communist and socialist regimes in Eastern Europe had to go and be replaced by market driven economies and societies. Many of these regimes were pretty bad indeed. But any alternative to capitalism had to go or be avoided. That went rather smoothly everywhere. In Yugoslavia that would be a problem since many people wanted to stick with socialism in Yugoslavia that was more humane than in other countries. It meant that Yugoslavia had to be broken up. And that was a problem since there were many minorities everywhere. So the model of victimizing one group while demonizing another was implemented. Serbs had most to lose because they had the biggest minority groups everywhere and in the end they lost it all. Again, that model was applied in other regions.
The giant squid does not take prisoners. This can happen to any place that resists it.
I find it interesting though that countries that couldn't wait to get out of Yugoslavia then could not wait to give up their newly found sovereignty to another union: the EU.

Jugo was a made up state held together by opression and a totalitarian system. With Beograd and Serbs acting as the Master Race it was only a matter of time.

If you behaved like you did and tried to kill almost any non-serb in the Federation, how could you expect anyone to live with you?

From Dwight: "Maybe next time you should read what you type before posting, none of what you say makes any sense.

NEWS FLASH - MILOSEVIC NOT GUILTY OF CREATING A CRIMINAL ENTERPRISE!!
1st, what has a criminal enterprise got to do with this article?"

Well Dwight, you brought up the Greater Serbia argument to support your weak position. My point was to merely illustrate the fact that the ICTY found that there was insufficient evidence linking Milosevic to a criminal enterprise. The criminal enterprise being the forcible expulsion of Croats & Muslims from areas claimed by the Serbs. This, if it were true, would be an attempt to create a Greater Serbia. Would you not agree?

Instead, it has been determined by a court of law, which up to this point, both Croats and Muslims applauded decisions emanating from the chamber so long as Serbs were being found guilty, that the Butcher of the Balkans, the architect of the wars of the 90s is not guilty of the most serious charges that were levied against him. So, I ask you, if the top of the Serbian food chain was found to be NOT GUILTY of running a criminal enterprise to forcibly expel Croats & Muslims, how could there have ever been a Greater Serbia plan? The PR firms that were paid millions to develop a smear campaign that has been debunked in a court of law, never had to be factual, they were merely paid to create an image. Any dopes like you ran with it and continue to do so even after it has been dismissed as untrue.

@Leonidis

So you're saying that the 700 000 Albanians that were forced out of Kosovo were actually putting on a show for propaganda purposes?
The images on television were pretty clear at the time.
Albright got it right when she showed that the world had had enough of Serbia's behavior and referring to the Serbs she said that they know very well who started 4 wars in the Balkans.
You know the rest, NATO put a leash on Serbia and that was the end of their bloodthirsty orgy in the Balkans.
Serbia immediately turned around and started playing the victim.
Poor little Serbia.

Serbia immediately turned around and started playing the victim.
Poor little Serbia.
(Englishman, 14 September 2016 20:48)

This worthless cretin ignores my comments about him because he knows I am 100% right. He lacks confidence when it comes to his own opinions that he hopes to convince you all that he is something that he is not. He wants you to believe that he is an "Englishman" because he hopes that his retarded will hold a little more weight if you believe he is from the UK.

Poor pathetic fraud.

I find it interesting though that countries that couldn't wait to get out of Yugoslavia then could not wait to give up their newly found sovereignty to another union: the EU.
(Joe A, 14 September 2016 12:53)

Exactly, because the EU is not a union dominated by Serbia. You finally found by yourself why Yugoslavia broke up.

@ Leonidas and Joe A.

Strongly agree.

Divide and conquer.

Yugoslavia was a mistake, it never should have been created, Serbia should have accepted the deal offered by allies to only claim land where Serbs are a majority population. We never should have involved ourselves with croats and slovenians. Should have given them their own countries or even let them stay with hungary or austria, either way we would have been better of without them, and them without us.

Serbia didn't want Yugoslav break-up but wanted the whole of Yugoslav to be Serbia get it right!

(icj1, 14 September 2016 14:11)
The EU and -especially the EC- is dominated by big corporations and lobbyists. That is why the EU wants their member states give up their sovereignty. It is nothing less than a corporate takeover of a continent. Croatia found that out when they joined the union: it immediately lost 12% of its exports. So Croatia and Slovenia went from being at the top of Yugoslavia to being at the bottom on the EU. The EU has a serious democratic deficit and everywhere in the EU citizens are turning its back on the union. The Euro has only really benefited Germany and plunged Southern Europe into economic mayhem.

Nostalgia-for-Yugosliva season again is it?

I like this sentence though "... but it did not make those mistakes in order to break up Yugoslavia" I may have erred but my intentions were noble!

I don't think the name bothers you but rather the truth.
(Englishman, 15 September 2016 09:38)

Your brothers come on here and talk sh*t every single day. Such is there obsession with Serbia. What bothers me is you think so little of your own opinions that you want readers to be convinced that you are an "Englishman" to somehow give the appearance of objectivity. Because you know that if you gave out your actual nationality, you will be just another worthless albo/ustasha troll that have nothing better to do with their lives.

Poor pathetic fraud.

With a phrase like this from this man i really think that Serbs are hopeless. Serbia will fall even more down because of it own people, mark my words, their relations with their neighbors are not good or the worst, and if Serbs try to fool themselves and tell that “they don’t care” well I think that they are fool. All the roads pass thru their neighbors, and you can skip one “blow” or two – but nobody can skip all the “blows”, neither the graves that other open for you..
In fact i really have my doubts if Serbs really know what happened there.. Reading a lot of "brainwashed" news event in B92 which in fact i think have some standards i can just imagine what Serbs can read or listen in daily news.
Mahh Serbia didn't want Yugoslav breakup!! In this logic Germany would attack G.Britain and force them to stay in EU just because she like so.
What a criminal minds you have?

He wants you to believe that he is an "Englishman" because he hopes that his retarded will hold a little more weight if you believe he is from the UK.
Poor pathetic fraud.
(Ari Gold, 14 September 2016 23:37)

Typical Serb tactics when faced with the truth. Try to criminalize (or defraud) the one telling the truth.
I don't think the name bothers you but rather the truth.
Poor little Serbia.

The Yugoslav pattern was repeated in Iraq,Libya and Syria.
(Leonidas, 14 September 2016 12:10)


Leo,
What is your excuse for what has happened to Greece??? You, conveniently, left Greece out of your "analysis".
Isn't it time you got back to your job of washing plates at the Souvlaki restaurant or your boss may replace you by using paper plates.

I don't need to defend any Serb-hating comment because I have written no such comments and I don't intend to write them in the future.
(icj1, 19 September 2016 15:26)

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icj1, the CB of B92, on many occasions has denied his/her past writings. icj1 has associated a neurological disorder with ethnicity in his/ her Mengele- inspired writings.

PS CB = Chief Bigot

Englishman, 14 September 2016 15:32

The breakup of Yugoslavia was a complex matter, a process that lasted for decades. It was not like you and others believe that Serbs one day decided to kill everybody else. There were ideological, nationalistic, religious and geopolitical powers at play. SFRY was an artificial country with a faulty socio-economic system and a political class that wanted to hold on to that while nationalistic players in every country wanted out. In the end everybody just wanted to protect their own people. But if you think that that whole conflict did not have a international geopolitical angle to it then there really is no hope for you.
The EU is SFRY but now the socio-economic system is (rogue) capitalism that created huge discrepancies between the various countries thanks to a faulty currency, the Euro. The EU suggest as a solution to the problems caused by the vary EU, more EU. Just like SFRY wanted more centralization. In the end forces were unleashed that led to the opposite. I am afraid that the EU is heading in the same direction. Cause they did not learn the lesson from SRFY that you cannot force people and countries to live together if they don't want to or if they can't. You can't apply a one size fits all solution to so many countries with different histories, attitudes and socio-economic systems. Rather sooner than later that leads to frictions, just like it did in SFRY.

if the top of the Serbian food chain was found to be NOT GUILTY of running a criminal enterprise to forcibly expel Croats & Muslims, how could there have ever been a Greater Serbia plan? The PR firms that were paid millions to develop a smear campaign that has been debunked in a court of law, never had to be factual, they were merely paid to create an image. Any dopes like you ran with it and continue to do so even after it has been dismissed as untrue.
(njegos, 14 September 2016 19:52)


I hate to break the news to you, sparky, but Milosevic died before a verdict was passed down. Therefore, no verdict was issued, this is standard procedure. If you disagree, please provide evidence that Slobo was found "not guilty" by the ICJ. Otherwise, please shut your trap and crawl back into your conspiracy theorist's cave.

(Englishman, 15 September 2016 11:57)

Wait, if you're an Englishman, how do you know that Ari can't be a Serbian name? Are you sure you're not from the Balkans yourself? Ari isn't my real name. I've always made it perfectly clear that I am a Serb from Montenegro and I've spent most of my life living in the United States. Your opinions to me are irrelevant and nothing new to readers on B92. I take it with pride.

What bothers me is you want to convince everyone to take you seriously by labeling yourself an "Englishman". Because if you put your actual nationality on here, then you would just be another Albo/Ustasha troll who hates Serbia because we stand for freedom and you guys have historically stood for collaboration. You're not fooling anyone.

Poor pathetic fraud.

Asks the Greeks who ultimately decided that remaining in the Eurozone and the EU was more important that their pride or feelings against the evil Germany because the stomach (i.e. the economy) always wins!
(icj1, 15 September 2016 01:31)

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icj1, the CB of B92, rambles on with total drivel. Idiotic thoughts are randomly strung together in run-on sentences that are indecipherable. icj1 doesn't even understand what he/ she is writing.

PS CB = Chief Bigot

Stop trying to turn attention from the truth by conjuring up irrelevant issues.
(Englishman, 15 September 2016 13:51)

Actually fake Englishman, NATO's aggression against Serbia in the 1990s was a highly unpopular war in the eyes of the average American. Just like every war outside of maybe Afghanistan has been in modern time. I was a child at the time, but my parents remember going to rallies in Chicago and meeting many Americans who had nothing to do with the Balkans waving Yugoslavian flags as a sign of solidarity with our people. The American people never bombed us, corrupt American neocons did.

You are not English, you have such a lack of confidence in your opinions that you want to convince us you are something you're not.
Poor pathetic fraud.

Mistakes - Let's be totally honest!

Serbian people most guilty for the destruction of Jugoslavia and the Murder of Eastern Orthodox Christianity in the Balkans?

For centuries Serbian people worshiped God and Brother loved one another and then came the 1940's! Serbian people find an illusion in Josif Broz Tito, Serbian people murder each other to please sadistic and evil Tito and then put Tito on the throne in Beograd. General Draza Mijailovic murdered by serbian people, yes only for this alone a curse on us for eternity! Serbian people abandon God to please Tito and Serbian people hush up and keep a very tight lip for all the attrocities Eastern Orthodox Christianity suffered at the hands of Croatian Ustasa and Islamic terrorist during World War Two! Serbian people who were displaced from the Otacbina and went on into the Tugina create the " Schism " Serbian Brothers divide the Eastern Orthodox Church! No unity, no respect for one another, SHAME on us, we managed to destroy what it took over 15 generations to build! United we stand and divided we Serbians fall!!! Yes let us be honest, in the Tugina Serbian people forgot who they were and where they came from and in the Otacbina Serbian people loved Tito so much!!!

From Dwight: "He wanted to create Greater Serbia but call it Yugoslavia and hope no-one would notice. When people say that Milosevic wanted to keep Yugoslavia intact this is also what he meant."

Hey Dwight - NEWS FLASH - MILOSEVIC NOT GUILTY OF CREATING A CRIMINAL ENTERPRISE!!
(njegos, 14 September 2016 15:48)

Congratulations for convincing yourself about "MILOSEVIC NOT GUILTY OF CREATING A CRIMINAL ENTERPRISE!" since Dwight wrote nothing about Milosevic being guilty of creating a criminal enterprise!

@englishman
it was yugoslav tanks rolling into provinces of yugoslavia, not serb tanks rolling into croatia bosnia and kosovo: big difference.

it was british naval boats that attacked the guerra de las malvinas in the 80. atleast serbia borders croatia bosnia and kosovo

it was the british tanks and planes that covered iraq under false pretence and there weren't significant british citizens there to protect from the ravages of saddam.

clean your own closets out before you start mentioning the filth in other's

Attention Ignorant Neigos:

Hitler was never found GUILTY !

Using Slav Serb " logic" does that now mean the Hoelcaust didn't actually happen????

Or that Germany was misled into paying Billions of Marks to cleaver Jews????

Or as the Serb mind might think...

Jews really killed themselves for insurance purposes and blamed innocent Nazi Commanders????

For Restitution purposes....

Serb "logic" is INSANITY on display!

Serbs loved the concept of Yugoslavia since other people they could manipulate and get over on...

What Serbia really had in plan was Serbo-Slavia or at least getting all Serb settlers into one new Serb dominate State regardless of Intrrnational Borders/recognitions....

Notice the key culprit in on all 4 wars involved SERBS!

@ Englishman, 14 September 2016 20:48
I lived in Greece in the '90 during the Yugoslav war. I can tell you that the greek press (right wing or left wing) was overwhelmly pro-Serb. None of the crimes committed by Serbs in Croatia, Bosnia and later Kosovo were reported.
The whole Yugoslav wars were presented to the public as a huge conspiracy against socialist Yugoslavia or Orthodox Serbia (depending on the publication). In fact greek population was so much brainwashed that even the Serbian opposition opinions were silenced at the times and any protests against Milosevic regime was presented as minimal.
In fact I remember as it was yesterday the first pages of greek newpapers describing proudly how the Greek flag was raised in Srebrenica while greek volunteers decorated by Bosnia serbs were cheered as heroes (even though most of them were self declared Neo-Nazis members of Golden Dawn)
A greek journalist, Tachis Michas has written a book detailing the level of compliance of greek society during this time.

So when you have a civil war on some of the territory you cannot claim it to be separate wars.
You do like to be dramatic.
(Peggy, 15 September 2016 14:07)

It seems that Clinton and many others would disagree with you https://youtu.be/JBKGjMB6Uwk . Attempts to suggest that they were civil wars, despite the fact that the countries had declared independence, do not lessen the magnitude of Serbia's crimes.

@(Dwight, 14 September 2016 14:22)

What Milosevic did to seize power in Kosovo, Vojvodjina and Montenegro to control the Yugo council was not a little mistake, it involved spreading deliberate lies and gathering 1000s of supporters and was perhaps the main event that put Kosovo on the path to independence, so if by mistake you mean illegal, unconstitutional, extra-judicial or criminal then ok.

It is true that the West lost interest in Yugoslavia one the USSR broke up, but to say that it was active policy of the West/NATO to destroy it is wrong. If anything, the West let allowed Yugoslavia to disintegrate through neglect.

Well said. Wise leadership could have transitioned jugoslavia into a modern social democracy; perhaps it would have survived. Jovic says "Serbia" made mistakes, no kidding.

But that same court ruled that members of the Serb forces committed war crimes and crimes against humanity in Kosovo. Are you saying that those members of the Serb forces should be thanked for being merciful and committing war crimes and crimes against humanity only?!
(icj1

Click and search on the internet is not equal to knowledge.Recommended reading:

Collision Course: NATO, Russia, and Kosovo Hardcover – 30 Mar 2005
by John Norris

Asks the Greeks who ultimately decided that remaining in the Eurozone and the EU was more important that their pride or feelings against the evil Germany because the stomach (i.e. the economy) always wins!
(icj1

The Greeks didn't "decide" but blackmailed to stay in the Eurozone.Lets remind ourselves that in the aftermath of the Greek referendum the first action of fascist EU was to starve Greek banks of liquidity and force the Greek government into the corner.They couldn't do the same with the UK because it hd its own currency thus enabling the British population to waive two big fingers at Junker and Merkel.There will be a lot more to come soon with various elections in EU countries.Watch this space!

Because if you put your actual nationality on here, then you would just be another Albo/Ustasha troll who hates Serbia because we stand for freedom and you guys have historically stood for collaboration. You're not fooling anyone.

(Ari Gold, 15 September 2016 13:38)

Freedom? Are you serious? LOL!
Here's what the president of your country of residence had to say before NATO put a leash on Serbia.
https://youtu.be/JBKGjMB6Uwk
Feel free to start at 1:25.
Stop trying to turn attention from the truth by conjuring up irrelevant issues.

From Englishman: "Here's what the president of your country of residence had to say before NATO put a leash on Serbia."

HAHAHA! Because Bill Clinton said it makes it true??? Are you kidding me!! This is the guy who got caught with his pants down in the oval office!! If all of this was true, why then did the Albanians, Croats and Muslims employ the services of several US PR firms to the tune of millions of dollars to influence the western media? Please answer. An executive from Ruder Finn stated that they were paid to create an image, and their objective was to portray the Serbs as Nazis. If the truth was so overwhelming, why the need to spend millions on PR firms? How much did you contribute Englishman?

"When you say there were mistakes on our side, who specifically do you have in mind, is it Slobodan Milosevic?

"Your questions are stereotypical, who made the mistake, and let's kill them," the former head of the SFRJ Presidency replied."

Even now, he does not want to admit what happened, like a certain Dacic. Imagine what "jewels" he must have in that book.
The question is not stereotypical, the question is spot on. Serbia, as an abstract entity, does not "say" or "do", individuals do. If these individuals are state officials, then that is much worse. These guilty, or people "who made mistakes" that cost the lives of thousands, should stop spreading the guilt to the entire nation, individuals are responsible.

True serbia did not want the break up ,they just simply wanted to gain control/power of it.Many poetic comments about it here by others but all you have to simply do is ask all of serbia neighbors what serbia wanted and dreamed of . Many here also seem to forget history that we lived just yesteryear and love & thrive off the fast paced revision of it .

NATO's aggression against Serbia in the 1990s was a highly unpopular war in the eyes of the average American. ... my parents remember going to rallies in Chicago and meeting many Americans who had nothing to do with the Balkans waving Yugoslavian flags ... The American people never bombed us, corrupt American neocons did.

(Ari Gold, 15 September 2016 18:53)

Oh this is precious.
I wasn't a child at the time and I remember seeing average Americans gathering in protest in front of the Yugoslav embassy.
Your parents told you that Americans were waving Yugoslav flags so that you could sleep at night. They don't exactly sell Yugoslav flags at Walmart. Lol.
So now in order for you to be able to live with yourself you tell yourself that the average american was against NATO putting a leash on Serbia. You tell yourself that the war was unpopular.
Well, no it wasn't, the average american didn't care, they were air strikes. So when it was finally serbs forced into bomb shelters for a change, the average american was enjoying his life clueless to the fact that NATO is doing the world a favor.

Sorry son, I apologize if I have shattered the illusion that you use to help yourself live in america and look your neighbors in the eyes, among a people that had to bomb your country of origin to stop them from continuing their carnage in the Balkans.

Can you please provide a reference to the UNSC resolution that appoints a certain "John Norris" as an ICTY judge
(icj1, 16 September 2016 14:34)

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icj1, the CB of B92, should consult the facts on the appointment of judicial clowns at the ICTY. In one example, a dimwit whose only previous experience was with land claims court hearings was appointed to laughably "judge" criminal cases. Idiocy run amok at the ICTY circus.

PS CB= Chief Bigot

I totally understand that the 52% who voted for the Brexit were led to believe that they could maintain access to the EU market without the free movement of workers and so it sounded a great deal, but unfortunately for those 52% that was wishful thinking and daydreaming!
(icj1, 16 September 2016 14:41)

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icj1, the CB of B92, not only spews Mengele-loving idiocy associating an ethnic group with neurological disorders, the CB of B92 is now writing lunacies about the outcome of future trade talks.
The only idiotic daydreamer, is icj1, the one and only CB of B92.

PS. CB= Chief Bigot

Yes, but what the EU exports to the UK represents 17% of EU's exports, whereas what the UK exports to the EU represents 44% of UK exports. So, it is the EU that has the upper hand!
(icj1,

You haven't applied your usual "click & learn" this time because had you done so you'd seen from the breakdown country by country that the majority of EU exports to UK come from Germany and to a lesser extent France , Holland & Ireland.The Eastern Europeans use the UK to export their immigrants.According to your logic one can envisage a situation in which madam Merkel visits BMW, VW or Siemens-amongst others- factories and telling their employees they're about to become unemployed because the UK closed its market to German exports.Very fanciful Brexit road map far exceeding your own ignorance.

(njegos, 14 September 2016 15:48)
Maybe next time you should read what you type before posting, none of what you say makes any sense.

NEWS FLASH - MILOSEVIC NOT GUILTY OF CREATING A CRIMINAL ENTERPRISE!!
1st, what has a criminal enterprise got to do with this article? There is nothing wrong with wanting all Serbs in one country is a valid opinion and there are arguments in its favour, the problem is murdering thousands to get it.
2nd, wtf are you talking about, Millosevic died before his trial finished. If you are talking about the recent rubbish from RT and Dacic then you should stop commenting and spend some time learing how courts work.
Start here
http://balkanist.net/exonerating-milosevic-a-futile-destructive-cause-of-global-anti-imperialists/

"So please, stop beating the Greater Serbia drum, you sound foolish."
Jovic and Milosevic wanted all ethnic Serbs under one government and Jovic in particular was willing to allow non-Serb areas to seceed to create a new Yugoslavia with land outside Serbia but where Serbs lived. What should that be called other than Greater Serbia?


"you and your kind never seem to remember the Greater Croatia attempt." what does this even mean? Croatia wanted to annex parts of Bosnia? What is my kind? You have no idea what my thoughts on greater croatia attempts are.


" beloved countrymen tried to create called Herceg Bosna" - what?

I find it interesting though that countries that couldn't wait to get out of Yugoslavia then could not wait to give up their newly found sovereignty to another union: the EU. 
(Joe A, 14 September 2016 12:53) 

Exactly, because the EU is not a union dominated by Serbia. You finally found by yourself why Yugoslavia broke up.
(icj1, 14 September 2016 14:11) 

The EU and -especially the EC- is dominated by big corporations and lobbyists.
(Joe A, 14 September 2016 18:53)

You are just proving my point that the EU is not a union dominated by Serbia and that's why Croatia and Slovania wanted to join the EU and not be part of (the now defunct) SFRJ.

@icj1

You seem to have looked into the ICTY rulings in detail.
What does the ruling against Martic say?
I believe that the majority of rulings clearly reflect the overwhelming number of Serb crimes in the former Yugoslavia.

Do you ever get tired of that crap? What 4 wars are you talking about?
If you are including Slovenia then you're just making things up. There was no war there. It was just a standoff which lasted for about a second.
A civil was broke out after that but that was one civil war which was started by Croatia which smuggled weapons through Hungarian border before a shot was fired. They were preparing for war not Serbia.
How can there be 4 separate wars in one country. Don't forget, it was Yugoslavia with individual republics not Serbia as a country and and other non existent countries.
So when you have a civil war on some of the territory you cannot claim it to be separate wars.
You do like to be dramatic.

So you are calling the Greek people "thickos" who were not able to understand that the EU money for the Greek banks had nothing to do with helping Greece, and so they were "blackmailed" for nothing :)
(icj1,

That comment was directed to you.Utter f**kwittery...

This is confirmed by a United Nations court has ruled that Serbian troops did not carry out genocide against ethnic Albanians in Kosovo from 1998 to 1999.
(Leonidas, 14 September 2016 17:03)

But that same court ruled that members of the Serb forces committed war crimes and crimes against humanity in Kosovo. Are you saying that those members of the Serb forces should be thanked for being merciful and committing war crimes and crimes against humanity only?!

Is this the same sort of perverse logic that compliments members of Serb forces in Srebrenica for committing genocide only against a few thousand man and boys, but considering the women lucky that they were only raped and only male members of their families were killed, but not them?! How merciful those members of the Serb forces were....

What bothers me is you think so little of your own opinions that you want readers to be convinced that you are an "Englishman" to somehow give the appearance of objectivity. Because you know that if you gave out your actual nationality ...

Poor pathetic fraud.
(Ari Gold, 15 September 2016 11:11)

So you're saying that everyone must declare their nationality before posting a comment?
Where is your nationality? With a name like Ari I thought you were Lebanese.
Furthermore, it seems to me that you're the only one who thinks that being an Englishman would give more wait to one's opinion.
Sounds quite small minded to me.
It's obvious that your agitation is due to the truth being openly said, something that must burn at your soul.
Poor little Ari.

rom icj: "You are just proving my point that the EU is not a union dominated by Serbia and that's why Croatia and Slovania wanted to join the EU and not be part of (the now defunct) SFRJ."

So you are saying that Croatia and Slovenia wanted to be subservient to another entity rather than being independent. This follows Croatia's long history of vassalage to the Austro-Hungarians and Nazi Germany. I knew you'd agree with me sooner or later. Quite a history to be proud of icj. Something to cherish for sure.

@icj1

You seem to have looked into the ICTY rulings in detail.
What does the ruling against Martic say?
I believe that the majority of rulings clearly reflect the overwhelming number of Serb crimes in the former Yugoslavia.
(Englishman, 15 September 2016 09:32)

ICJ doesn't know where is tail connects to his A**hole let alone ICTY rulings! Its almost as comical as your claim to be some sort of "Englishman"

Oh this is precious.
I wasn't a child at the time and I remember seeing average Americans gathering in protest in front of the Yugoslav embassy.
(Englishman, 16 September 2016 07:43)

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Oh Englishman. Your comment is less than precious. Your comment is pure idiocy. You obviously weren't a child in 1999 during NATO's joint criminal enterprise.

You must have been a fairy tale character in your own idiotic narrative.

Average Americans could not gather in front of a Yugoslav Embassy during NATOs crimes. At the time Albright had severed diplomatic relations with Yugoslavia and Albright eliminated the FRY embassy in Washington DC.

For our pleasure: Please do join icj1, the CB of B92, in the self-exposition of your "factually incorrect" idiocies.

PS CB = Chief Bigot

The Greeks didn't "decide" but blackmailed to stay in the Eurozone.Lets remind ourselves that in the aftermath of the Greek referendum the first action of fascist EU was to starve Greek banks of liquidity and force the Greek government into the corner.
(Leonidas, 15 September 2016 13:36)

Sorry, but if a country wants to leave the Eurozone, why should the Eurozone continue to help its banks?! It does not work that way mate!
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They couldn't do the same with the UK because it hd its own currency thus enabling the British population to waive two big fingers at Junker and Merkel.
(Leonidas, 15 September 2016 13:36)

Well, it sounds like it is Junker and Merkel waiving two big fingers at the UK and telling it that if the UK wants to sell almost half of its exports to the EU without tariffs, it has to accept the free movement of workers lol I totally understand that the 52% who voted for the Brexit were led to believe that they could maintain access to the EU market without the free movement of workers and so it sounded a great deal, but unfortunately for those 52% that was wishful thinking and daydreaming!

West or no West all agree that Yugoslavia was an artificial creature.
Yugoslavia`s only way not to fall apart was the ethnical and/or political oppression.

West supported Croats and Albanians against Serbia.
West defeated Serbia.

But was it really the West who made Slovenes, Croats, Bosnians, Albanians and Macedonians to not want to live with Serbs... or it was the Serb policy towards the other nations of Yugoslavia?

From icj: "By "you" you mean a certain "njegos"? Just asking because I could only find this certain "njegos" writing "that Croatia and Slovenia wanted to be subservient to another entity rather than being independent"!

Talking in circles again when you can't formulate an intelligent reply, eh icj? Too predictable. May I suggest you revert to your earlier tactic of running away like the coward you are so that the forum readers can be spared of your drivel and thereby save precious minutes of their lives that could be used for more constructive activities. LOL

From Englishman in response to the question as to why Croats, Muslims & Albanians used US PR firms to influence the western media:

"... wouldn't you use all means possible, if you were fighting a war for survival?
I think the answer to that was logical."

Yes, so the war has been over for more than 20 years, so you can stop regurgitating the same old tired misleading crap cooked up by your highly paid PR firms. Afterall, the ICTY spent more than 11 years trying Seselj and he was found to be NOT GUILTY of anything. Milosevic was found to be NOT RUNNING A CRIMINAL ENTERPRISE. These were the foundations of your PR campaign. And it fooled the western public for a long time, but now it has been debunked! Give it a rest.

@njegos

As far as I know the seselj ruling isn't final.
Who says Milosevic was acquitted? Read the Martic ruling loser.
These things aren't conjured up they're the plain truth which burns at your soul everytime someone dares to speak it.

Englishman - The ICTY spent 12 years trying to convict Seselj and they couldn't. Sure there's an appeals process, but if your legal experts couldn't convict him of one single charge in 12 years, I'd say your case is done. But you just keep telling yourself he's guilty and pound away at your keyboard. The only thing that burns is the NOT GUILTY verdict that you were so sure would never come. Afterall, your highly paid PR experts had both Seselj and Milosevic convicted years ago. You forgot to answer the question: how much did you contribute Englishman? Be honest now...if you can.

From icj: "I don't need to defend any Serb-hating comment because I have written no such comments and I don't intend to write them in the future."

HAHAHA!!Good one icj! What would you call your comments then? At least you have a good sense of humor. HAHAHA!!

Here is what my fav pundits - Stupcat have to say about the topic. An entire generation of brilliant Prishtina-born Albos & Serbs was literally wiped out by Kosovo's peasants. No Eng subtitles needed, culture vultures will admire authors' a la Tarkovsky allegoric interpretation of major events. Enjoy. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B8wmCkgeaxw

So Croatia and Slovenia went from being at the top of Yugoslavia to being at the bottom on the EU.
(Joe A, 14 September 2016 18:53)

What's the problem with that?! Being at the top of a failed thing like Yugoslavia was worse that being at the bottom of the EU - that just goes to show how bad Yugoslavia was :)
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The EU has a serious democratic deficit and everywhere in the EU citizens are turning its back on the union.
(Joe A, 14 September 2016 18:53)

The majority of the EU citizens turning its back on the EU only exists in your head, mate since no EU country (except for UK) has asked to leave the EU. And even the UK it appears will only leave in name; in practical terms still wants to be part of the EU market, just it will no longer have the ability to vote on the rules that govern that market! Obviously those who voted for the Brexit missed the fineprint about what Brexit actually meant lol
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The Euro has only really benefited Germany and plunged Southern Europe into economic mayhem.
(Joe A, 14 September 2016 18:53)

Asks the Greeks who ultimately decided that remaining in the Eurozone and the EU was more important that their pride or feelings against the evil Germany because the stomach (i.e. the economy) always wins!

Sorry, but if a country wants to leave the Eurozone, why should the Eurozone continue to help its banks?
Icj1
You’d say that because thickos are not able to understand that Greece is a money laundering vehicle for the Germans.Nearly all the supposed 'bail out' money ends up on the balance sheets of institutions like Deutsche Bank.It has nothing to do with helping profligate Greece, but reimbursing profligate German banks.

Well, it sounds like it is Junker and Merkel waiving two big fingers at the UK and telling it that if the UK wants to sell almost half of its exports to the EU without tariffs, it has to accept the free movement of workers
What makes you think that Merkel is going to cut her nose to spite her face? The EU exporters sold the UK £120bn more goods than UK sent to them last year alone,and the EU is simply in no position to throw even more EU workers out of work by being obstructive over trade. No,the real problem the EU faces is that Brexit blows the lid off the whole gaff and creates an entirely new and unpredictable situation. As a result popular Eurosceptic anti-federalist forces at national level will have an unprecedented opportunity to overthrow their complacent federalist elites and kill off their pet projects.The EU is going to either die or become totally irrelevant.
In time, 23 June 2016 may come to be seen as the moment the idea of a EUSSR died.

From icj: "By "you" you mean a certain "njegos"?"

WRONG again! When most educated people use the term 'you' they are referring to someone other than themselves. However, when icj can't formulate an intelligent reply he/she reverts to obfuscation and talking in circles as predicted.

Now it's time for you to do what you do best icj, run away to another thread and start your Serb-bashing there. I'm sure we'll cross paths again and when you find yourself unable to defend your Serb-hating comments, you'll attempt to deflect and obfuscate before running away again. What a miserable existence you have.

From icj: "I don't need to defend any Serb-hating comment because I have written no such comments and I don't intend to write them in the future.

But, I think, you may be confusing me for the Serb hater who writes here under the name "njegos"!"

Thank you icj for providing yet more evidence that you are a liar, a coward and someone who deflects and obfuscates. And the great thing is, it's not just me who thinks this. You've been called out by several others this for being the charlatan that you are. How does it feel you be the whipping boy/girl of the forum? You sure are a glutton for punishment. Too funny!!

he Greeks didn't "decide" but blackmailed to stay in the Eurozone.Lets remind ourselves that in the aftermath of the Greek referendum the first action of fascist EU was to starve Greek banks of liquidity and force the Greek government into the corner.
(Leonidas, 15 September 2016 13:36)

In actuality, the plan under Varoufakis was to introduce the Drachma back based on a model in South America; unfortunately, Tsipras backed out and scapegoated his finance minister Varoufakis who turned out to be the fall guy. Greece is not going to recover as none of the debt has been relieved and the EU will continue to tighten the noose while privatizing all of Greece's industry. The sell out of a entire nation is under process in Greece, economic invasion if you like.

Where is the Greek leader who will finally stand up and take back Greece's sovereignty.

Could I please suggest that bible prophesy can never be ignored in this world, presently. Just as Jehovah said Egypt will become the peopleof Jehovah, so he has said, Jeremiah chapters 50 and 51, that Babylon shall never be rebuilt. Jehovah has also prophesied in Isiah 19 that Assyria will become his people. Iraq was invaded because of Jehovah's prophesy when sadam started to rrebuilt Babylon, which Jehovah prohibited.

Mr. Jovic, if you tell someone the wrong time is a mistake. If you set in motion actions which knowingly leads to wars is a crime.
I don't know if Serbia as a whole is guilty for the breakup of Yugoslavia, but you sir are one of the main actors of the tragedy. You were there in a position of power knowingly making decisions that would lead to war.
You wanted Slovenia and Croatia out of Yugoslavia. Your actions in the leadership forced them out. You didn't counted on Bosnia and Kosovo doing the same. When the whole thing backfired on you, you started blaming everyone else (West, USA, NATO) for your own failures.
Shame on you Mr. Jovic. You played games with people's lives and speak now of "mistakes"?

Englishman
Rude and overly dramatic and you exaggerate. You should use your time on the NHS crisis and Brexit. Relax. Go on vacation to Nice,France for your own catharsis or take some mental health classes.

Hey Englishman, you seem to have a lot to say on this forum so why don't you answer the questions I asked of you earlier? If the wrongdoing by the Serbs was so overwhelming and it was the Serbs who planned and carried out the destruction of Yugoslavia, why then did the Croats, Muslims and Albanians find it necessary to spends millions of dollars of US PR firms to persuade the western public of the obvious? May I suggest you pick up a copy of Media Cleansing by award winning NY Times journalst Peter Brock. There you will see where the war was won and how decades of ethnic hatred was explained in 30 second sound bytes to portray one bad guy in an ugly three way civil war.

Your participation is welcome here, just don't run away from the questions like so many do. There are enough cowards posting here, we don't need another one.

This is confirmed by a United Nations court has ruled that Serbian troops did not carry out genocide against ethnic Albanians in Kosovo from 1998 to 1999.
(Leonidas, 14 September 2016 17:03)

But that same court ruled that members of the Serb forces committed war crimes and crimes against humanity in Kosovo. Are you saying that those members of the Serb forces should be thanked for being merciful and committing war crimes and crimes against humanity only?!
(icj1, 14 September 2016 23:51)

Click and search on the internet is not equal to knowledge.Recommended reading:
Collision Course: NATO, Russia, and Kosovo Hardcover – 30 Mar 2005
by John Norris
(Leonidas, 15 September 2016 10:25)

I just checked the relevant UNSCR resolution (I admit I committed the heresy of looking at them on the internet at the UNSC website lol) and could not find any appointing a certain "John Norris" as an ICTY judge. But perhaps I might have missed it...

Can you please provide a reference to the UNSC resolution that appoints a certain "John Norris" as an ICTY judge as well as a reference to his ICTY judgement about "Collision Course: NATO, Russia, and Kosovo"?

Hey Englishman, why then did the Croats, Muslims and Albanians find it necessary to spends millions of dollars of US PR firms to persuade the western public of the obvious?

(njegos, 16 September 2016 13:40)

Not sure they spent that much, but even if they did, wouldn't you use all means possible, if you were fighting a war for survival?
I think the answer to that was logical.

So you are saying that Croatia and Slovenia wanted to be subservient to another entity rather than being independent.
(njegos, 15 September 2016 15:03)

By "you" you mean a certain "njegos"? Just asking because I could only find this certain "njegos" writing "that Croatia and Slovenia wanted to be subservient to another entity rather than being independent"!

So you are saying that Croatia and Slovenia wanted to be subservient to another entity rather than being independent.
(njegos, 15 September 2016 15:03)

By "you" you mean a certain "njegos"? Just asking because I could only find this certain "njegos" writing "that Croatia and Slovenia wanted to be subservient to another entity rather than being independent"!
(icj1, 16 September 2016 14:26)

Talking in circles again when you can't formulate an intelligent reply
(njegos, 16 September 2016 16:06)

I just quoted a certain "njegos". If this certain "njegos" is talking in circles and can't formulate an intelligent reply, feel free to discuss the matter with him/her lol
(icj1, 17 September 2016 15:15)

WRONG again! When most educated people use the term 'you' they are referring to someone other than themselves.
(njegos, 19 September 2016 15:03)

Well, yes, but apparently this certain "njegos" is an exception to that because he/she was the only one to write "that Croatia and Slovenia wanted to be subservient to another entity rather than being independent" - nobody else wrote that. So feel free to sort it out with him/her why this certain "njegos" doesn't use the term "you" the way most educated people do!

I'm sure we'll cross paths again and when you find yourself unable to defend your Serb-hating comments, you'll attempt to deflect and obfuscate before running away again. What a miserable existence you have.
(njegos, 19 September 2016 15:03)

I don't need to defend any Serb-hating comment because I have written no such comments and I don't intend to write them in the future.

But, I think, you may be confusing me for the Serb hater who writes here under the name "njegos"! What a miserable existence he/she has...

The Greeks didn't "decide" but blackmailed to stay in the Eurozone.Lets remind ourselves that in the aftermath of the Greek referendum the first action of fascist EU was to starve Greek banks of liquidity and force the Greek government into the corner.
(Leonidas, 15 September 2016 13:36)

Sorry, but if a country wants to leave the Eurozone, why should the Eurozone continue to help its banks?! It does not work that way mate!
(icj1, 16 September 2016 14:41)

You’d say that because thickos are not able to understand that Greece is a money laundering vehicle for the Germans.Nearly all the supposed 'bail out' money ends up on the balance sheets of institutions like Deutsche Bank.It has nothing to do with helping profligate Greece, but reimbursing profligate German banks.
(Leonidas, 18 September 2016 20:10)

So you are calling the Greek people "thickos" who were not able to understand that the EU money for the Greek banks had nothing to do with helping Greece, and so they were "blackmailed" for nothing :)

From icj: "I have no idea what you're talking about,"

Of course you don't. Nor do have any idea about what you're talking about. Look these words up if you don't understand them: liar, obfuscate, deflect, mislead, deceitful and coward. Now run along to another thread and continue your Serb-bashing there. I'll find you to correct your revisionist remarks. You can count on that.

You've been called out by several others this for being the charlatan that you are. How does it feel
(njegos, 20 September 2016 15:10)

I feel very happy to have exposed you as a Serb hater.

As for the "several others", I have no idea what you're talking about, but feel free to discuss the matter with those "several others" lol
(icj1, 21 September 2016 02:06)

Of course you don't.
(njegos, 21 September 2016 13:37)

Great, so we are in agreement that what you wrote makes no sense lol
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Now run along to another thread and continue your Serb-bashing there. I'll find you to correct your revisionist remarks. You can count on that.
(njegos, 21 September 2016 13:37)

Just because you prefer to pass your time bashing Serbs in Serb-bashing threads, that does not mean that's the preferred pastime for other members of these forums, so you are not going to find me in those threads bashing Serbs.

n actuality, the plan under Varoufakis was to introduce the Drachma back based on a model in South America; unfortunately, Tsipras backed out and scapegoated his finance minister Varoufakis who turned out to be the fall guy. Greece is not going to recover as none of the debt has been relieved and the EU will continue to tighten the noose while privatizing all of Greece's industry. The sell out of a entire nation is under process in Greece, economic invasion if you like.

Where is the Greek leader who will finally stand up and take back Greece's sovereignty.
(Jugoslavija,

Spot on.

The ICTY spent 12 years trying to convict Seselj and they couldn't. Sure there's an appeals process, but if your legal experts couldn't convict him of one single charge in 12 years, I'd say your case is done.
(njegos, 16 September 2016 22:32)

ICTY has already convicted Seselj not just for one, but for three charges and sentenced him to a total of almost 5 years in prison. Since it burns you that he has already been convicted, you have chosen to close your eyes hoping to change the reality by refusing to look at it lol

So you are saying that Croatia and Slovenia wanted to be subservient to another entity rather than being independent.
(njegos, 15 September 2016 15:03)

By "you" you mean a certain "njegos"? Just asking because I could only find this certain "njegos" writing "that Croatia and Slovenia wanted to be subservient to another entity rather than being independent"!
(icj1, 16 September 2016 14:26)

Talking in circles again when you can't formulate an intelligent reply
(njegos, 16 September 2016 16:06)

I just quoted a certain "njegos". If this certain "njegos" is talking in circles and can't formulate an intelligent reply, feel free to discuss the matter with him/her lol

The EU exporters sold the UK £120bn more goods than UK sent to them last year alone
(Leonidas, 18 September 2016 20:10)

Yes, but what the EU exports to the UK represents 17% of EU's exports, whereas what the UK exports to the EU represents 44% of UK exports. So, it is the EU that has the upper hand!

So you are calling the Greek people "thickos" who were not able to understand that the EU money for the Greek banks had nothing to do with helping Greece, and so they were "blackmailed" for nothing :)
(icj1,

That comment was directed to you.Utter f**kwittery...
(Leonidas, 19 September 2016 17:00)

Well, I did not vote, the Greek people voted and were blackmailed according to a certain Leonidas.

But, no need to loose it mate; put your brain to work next time in order to be more coherent in what you write as you are making no sense lol

I'm sure we'll cross paths again and when you find yourself unable to defend your Serb-hating comments, you'll attempt to deflect and obfuscate before running away again. What a miserable existence you have.
(njegos, 19 September 2016 15:03)

I don't need to defend any Serb-hating comment because I have written no such comments and I don't intend to write them in the future.

But, I think, you may be confusing me for the Serb hater who writes here under the name "njegos"! What a miserable existence he/she has...
(icj1, 19 September 2016 15:26)

HAHAHA!!Good one icj! What would you call your comments then? At least you have a good sense of humor. HAHAHA!!
(njegos, 19 September 2016 16:00)

Well, as you wrote, I call them "comments".

But you being a Serb hater is definitely not a laughing matter; I'm not sure why you consider it fun for you to be a Serb hater!

I'm sure we'll cross paths again and when you find yourself unable to defend your Serb-hating comments, you'll attempt to deflect and obfuscate before running away again. What a miserable existence you have.
(njegos, 19 September 2016 15:03)

I don't need to defend any Serb-hating comment because I have written no such comments and I don't intend to write them in the future.

But, I think, you may be confusing me for the Serb hater who writes here under the name "njegos"! What a miserable existence he/she has...
(icj1, 19 September 2016 15:26)

You've been called out by several others this for being the charlatan that you are. How does it feel
(njegos, 20 September 2016 15:10)

I feel very happy to have exposed you as a Serb hater.

As for the "several others", I have no idea what you're talking about, but feel free to discuss the matter with those "several others" lol

@Leonidas, Joe A

Where do you come up with this junk?
Serb tanks rolled into Croatia, Bosnia & Herzegovina and Kosovo!
It never ceases to amaze me how Serbia looks for any excuse to play the victim and criminalize everyone else.
You make it sound as if the whole world is against Serbia. And if it is, maybe you should be asking yourselves why.
It's absolutely amazing how one nation can live in such utter and complete collective denial, making up outrageous conspiracy theories to support your own denial.
Once again:
When people are afraid of the truth they've got nowhere to turn. All they have at their disposal is censorship and denial. And Serbia is so deep in denial you can only feel pity for them. Because you know that in some dark chamber of their sub-conscious these wretched people know what a terrible thing they did and they know that history is going to revile them and their entire generation for it. But they just can't face up to it. Psychologically they are simply not big enough as people to acknowledge, let alone confront the enormity of their crimes. They back themselves into an ideological corner where their only option is to double down on the insanity and brazen it out until the bitter end while criminalizing anyone who draws attention to it.
Poor little serbia.

Jugo was a made up state held together by opression and a totalitarian system. With Beograd and Serbs acting as the Master Race it was only a matter of time.

If you behaved like you did and tried to kill almost any non-serb in the Federation, how could you expect anyone to live with you?

Forget Yugoslavia , serbia should be broken down into pieces to. Sandzak, Vojvodina , Presevo Valley , should split up or at least game republic on their own. No one should be allowed to stay with them.

More self-serving revisionist bull which basically says that anything bad that opponents of Serbia did was deliberate policy, but anything bad that Serbia (and Jovic) did were mistakes.
Tying to portray himself as a victim rather than a cause. This is the guy who wanted to eject Croatia from Yugoslavia but keep the parts of Croatia where Serbs lived?!!!!
He wanted to create Greater Serbia but call it Yugoslavia and hope no-one would notice. When people say that Milosevic wanted to keep Yugoslavia intact this is also what he meant.

It is true that Croatia and Slovenia always had larger independence movements and it is true that many Serb leaders wanted to hold Yugoslavia together, but this was not because of brotherly love for the non-Serb members and a love of socialism and equality, but rather to keep all ethnic Serbs under one government, a gov that Serbia would control.

What Milosevic did to seize power in Kosovo, Vojvodjina and Montenegro to control the Yugo council was not a little mistake, it involved spreading deliberate lies and gathering 1000s of supporters and was perhaps the main event that put Kosovo on the path to independence, so if by mistake you mean illegal, unconstitutional, extra-judicial or criminal then ok.

It is true that the West lost interest in Yugoslavia one the USSR broke up, but to say that it was active policy of the West/NATO to destroy it is wrong. If anything, the West let allowed Yugoslavia to disintegrate through neglect.

What bothers me is you think so little of your own opinions that you want readers to be convinced that you are an "Englishman" to somehow give the appearance of objectivity. Because you know that if you gave out your actual nationality ...

Poor pathetic fraud.
(Ari Gold, 15 September 2016 11:11)

So you're saying that everyone must declare their nationality before posting a comment?
Where is your nationality? With a name like Ari I thought you were Lebanese.
Furthermore, it seems to me that you're the only one who thinks that being an Englishman would give more wait to one's opinion.
Sounds quite small minded to me.
It's obvious that your agitation is due to the truth being openly said, something that must burn at your soul.
Poor little Ari.

Joe A

What I would add to your excellent comment is the dismemberment of Yugoslavia was also part of a concerted policy initiated by the United States and the other Western powers in 1989 to overthrow what remained of its socialist system and install a free-market economic order. The U.S. goal has been to transform the Yugoslav nation into a Third-World region, a cluster of weak right-wing nations integrated into Western Military alliances and dependent on Western charity handouts.
Lets not forget the West while committing its crimes in Yugoslavia in the name of peace, democracy and humanitarianism it supported the most divisive, reactionary forces from Croatia to Kosovo. In Croatia, the West's supported Tudjman, who claimed that "the establishment of Hitler's new European order can be justified by the need to be rid of the Jews".Tudjman's government also adopted the fascist Ustasha checkered flag and anthem and presided over the forced evacuation of over half a million Serbs from Croatia between 1991 and 1995, replete with rapes and summary executions. In Bosnia, U.S. leaders supported the Muslim fundamentalist Izetbegovic, an active Nazi in his youth, who wanted to establish an Islamic Bosnian republic.The same pattern continued in Kosovo by supporting KLA previously considered a terrorist organization by Washington and a big player-if not the biggest-in the enormous heroin trade that reaches Europe.
The Yugoslav pattern was repeated in Iraq,Libya and Syria.

I find it interesting though that countries that couldn't wait to get out of Yugoslavia then could not wait to give up their newly found sovereignty to another union: the EU.
(Joe A, 14 September 2016 12:53)

Exactly, because the EU is not a union dominated by Serbia. You finally found by yourself why Yugoslavia broke up.

Poor little serbia.
(Englishman, 14 September 2016 15:32)

This man thinks so little of his opinions that he has to pretend he is someone he's not. He knows this hate-filled drivel can't stand on its own feet so he hopes to convince you that he is a "Englishman" so that he can appear to be impartial and objective.

Poor pathetic fraud.

Nostalgia-for-Yugosliva season again is it?

I like this sentence though "... but it did not make those mistakes in order to break up Yugoslavia" I may have erred but my intentions were noble!

While I believe certain structures from the West helped expedite the disintegration of Yugoslavia, that's not the reason why it fell apart. The real reason is that Croats, being the 2nd largest group in Yugoslavia, never really wanted to live with Serbs or anyone else. It's just that with every major war, their sponsor would lose and Yugoslavia became the most available option at the time. When Austro-Hungary fell apart and the Serbian army liberated Zagreb, they saw union with Serbs as a temporary measure. Then in WWII, Croats sided with Hitler and Nazi Germany to create their Greater Croatian puppet state while Serbs gave their lives for Yugoslavia once again.

Serbia definitely didn't want Yugoslavia to fall apart. So much was sacrificed in two world wars for people who did not appreciate liberty or independence because they preferred to be vassals of some empire. But after Jasenovac and 20+ other Nazi Croat concentration camps where several hundred thousands of Serbs were butchered, a state union with Croatia should have never happened again.

And that's why the 90s went the way it did. Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me. Serbs have no one to blame but themselves for their irrational disillusion with Yugoslavia.

From Dwight: "He wanted to create Greater Serbia but call it Yugoslavia and hope no-one would notice. When people say that Milosevic wanted to keep Yugoslavia intact this is also what he meant."

Hey Dwight - NEWS FLASH - MILOSEVIC NOT GUILTY OF CREATING A CRIMINAL ENTERPRISE!! This comes from the Hague, so I'm sure you must believe it, right? You know, that objective international legal body that found all those Serbs guilty of war crimes, right?

So please, stop beating the Greater Serbia drum, you sound foolish. You guys paid millions to US PR firms to create a Greater Serbia campaign and it was successful. The west bought it hook, line & sinker. But when an objective international legal body investigated, it found no evidence to support your very expensive PR campaign. In short, it was a load of BS!

So the next time you accuse Serbs of trying to create a Greater Serbia, please provide an explanation of that still-born entity your beloved countrymen tried to create called Herceg Bosna. Funny you and your kind never seem to remember the Greater Croatia attempt.

The former secretary of state in the 90s James Backer was trying to keep Yugoslavia together. Slovenia , and Croatia had made up their mind to leave and live separately , they were fed up and nobody can blame them about it. Serbia has nobody to blame but themselves. And now as usual twist and turn the stories

It's absolutely amazing how one nation can live in such utter and complete collective denial, making up outrageous conspiracy theories to support your own denial.
Englishman

I am afraid it's you that lives in denial and web of lies.To prove my point lets become time travellers and go back to 1998.Murdoch's Fox news and Blair's BBC had a field day in the propaganda war with their lies and fiction. Albright and W.Cohen were doing exactly the same on every Western media outlet.The alleged genocide of the Albanians were the menu of the day and all that in the altar of completing the dismembering of what was left of the old Yugoslavia. This is confirmed by a United Nations court has ruled that Serbian troops did not carry out genocide against ethnic Albanians in Kosovo from 1998 to 1999.
John Norris, who was Deputy Secretary of State Strobe Talbott's communications director during the Clinton Administration wrote a book in which he explains the real purpose of the war from his point of view. Norris explains that the bombing had nothing to do with concern for Kosovar Albanians.The U.S. decided to bomb because Serbia, the last corner of Europe, which had not subordinated itself to the U.S.-run neoliberal programs, and which was not carrying out the required social and economic reforms.

Mistakes - Let's be totally honest!

Serbian people most guilty for the destruction of Jugoslavia and the Murder of Eastern Orthodox Christianity in the Balkans?

For centuries Serbian people worshiped God and Brother loved one another and then came the 1940's! Serbian people find an illusion in Josif Broz Tito, Serbian people murder each other to please sadistic and evil Tito and then put Tito on the throne in Beograd. General Draza Mijailovic murdered by serbian people, yes only for this alone a curse on us for eternity! Serbian people abandon God to please Tito and Serbian people hush up and keep a very tight lip for all the attrocities Eastern Orthodox Christianity suffered at the hands of Croatian Ustasa and Islamic terrorist during World War Two! Serbian people who were displaced from the Otacbina and went on into the Tugina create the " Schism " Serbian Brothers divide the Eastern Orthodox Church! No unity, no respect for one another, SHAME on us, we managed to destroy what it took over 15 generations to build! United we stand and divided we Serbians fall!!! Yes let us be honest, in the Tugina Serbian people forgot who they were and where they came from and in the Otacbina Serbian people loved Tito so much!!!

@Leonidis

So you're saying that the 700 000 Albanians that were forced out of Kosovo were actually putting on a show for propaganda purposes?
The images on television were pretty clear at the time.
Albright got it right when she showed that the world had had enough of Serbia's behavior and referring to the Serbs she said that they know very well who started 4 wars in the Balkans.
You know the rest, NATO put a leash on Serbia and that was the end of their bloodthirsty orgy in the Balkans.
Serbia immediately turned around and started playing the victim.
Poor little Serbia.

Jovic the man who sent the tanks into other countries to kill non Serbs. The man who supported a GS. No idiot wanted to stay in YU because it was run by Serbs. Of course the Serbs wanted to stay in YU when they were collecting rent. Never again will we be a part of some twisted brainwashed Srboslavia. We've all ripped up our lease agreements with Beograd because frankly your a terrible landlord.

if the top of the Serbian food chain was found to be NOT GUILTY of running a criminal enterprise to forcibly expel Croats & Muslims, how could there have ever been a Greater Serbia plan? The PR firms that were paid millions to develop a smear campaign that has been debunked in a court of law, never had to be factual, they were merely paid to create an image. Any dopes like you ran with it and continue to do so even after it has been dismissed as untrue.
(njegos, 14 September 2016 19:52)


I hate to break the news to you, sparky, but Milosevic died before a verdict was passed down. Therefore, no verdict was issued, this is standard procedure. If you disagree, please provide evidence that Slobo was found "not guilty" by the ICJ. Otherwise, please shut your trap and crawl back into your conspiracy theorist's cave.

From Dwight: "Maybe next time you should read what you type before posting, none of what you say makes any sense.

NEWS FLASH - MILOSEVIC NOT GUILTY OF CREATING A CRIMINAL ENTERPRISE!!
1st, what has a criminal enterprise got to do with this article?"

Well Dwight, you brought up the Greater Serbia argument to support your weak position. My point was to merely illustrate the fact that the ICTY found that there was insufficient evidence linking Milosevic to a criminal enterprise. The criminal enterprise being the forcible expulsion of Croats & Muslims from areas claimed by the Serbs. This, if it were true, would be an attempt to create a Greater Serbia. Would you not agree?

Instead, it has been determined by a court of law, which up to this point, both Croats and Muslims applauded decisions emanating from the chamber so long as Serbs were being found guilty, that the Butcher of the Balkans, the architect of the wars of the 90s is not guilty of the most serious charges that were levied against him. So, I ask you, if the top of the Serbian food chain was found to be NOT GUILTY of running a criminal enterprise to forcibly expel Croats & Muslims, how could there have ever been a Greater Serbia plan? The PR firms that were paid millions to develop a smear campaign that has been debunked in a court of law, never had to be factual, they were merely paid to create an image. Any dopes like you ran with it and continue to do so even after it has been dismissed as untrue.

Yugoslavia was tolerated by the West/NATO because it functioned as a buffer against the Warsaw Pact, ever since Tito broke with Stalin. However, Western powers were already back then eroding and undermining Yugoslavia. When the Berlin Wall came down and the Soviet Union and Warsaw Pact disintegrated, Yugoslavia lost it strategic importance for the West. Its fate was sealed. The West only needed a strategy to blow up Yugoslavia which was the strategy of victimizing one side and demonizing another. The irony is that the Left in Europe fell for that. That model has been rinsed and repeated elsewhere. Yugoslavia was the blueprint. It is all geopolitics. God helps the country that has an important geopolitical position and that is not able to defend itself.

I don't think the name bothers you but rather the truth.
(Englishman, 15 September 2016 09:38)

Your brothers come on here and talk sh*t every single day. Such is there obsession with Serbia. What bothers me is you think so little of your own opinions that you want readers to be convinced that you are an "Englishman" to somehow give the appearance of objectivity. Because you know that if you gave out your actual nationality, you will be just another worthless albo/ustasha troll that have nothing better to do with their lives.

Poor pathetic fraud.

Do you ever get tired of that crap? What 4 wars are you talking about?
If you are including Slovenia then you're just making things up. There was no war there. It was just a standoff which lasted for about a second.
A civil was broke out after that but that was one civil war which was started by Croatia which smuggled weapons through Hungarian border before a shot was fired. They were preparing for war not Serbia.
How can there be 4 separate wars in one country. Don't forget, it was Yugoslavia with individual republics not Serbia as a country and and other non existent countries.
So when you have a civil war on some of the territory you cannot claim it to be separate wars.
You do like to be dramatic.

(njegos, 14 September 2016 15:48)
Maybe next time you should read what you type before posting, none of what you say makes any sense.

NEWS FLASH - MILOSEVIC NOT GUILTY OF CREATING A CRIMINAL ENTERPRISE!!
1st, what has a criminal enterprise got to do with this article? There is nothing wrong with wanting all Serbs in one country is a valid opinion and there are arguments in its favour, the problem is murdering thousands to get it.
2nd, wtf are you talking about, Millosevic died before his trial finished. If you are talking about the recent rubbish from RT and Dacic then you should stop commenting and spend some time learing how courts work.
Start here
http://balkanist.net/exonerating-milosevic-a-futile-destructive-cause-of-global-anti-imperialists/

"So please, stop beating the Greater Serbia drum, you sound foolish."
Jovic and Milosevic wanted all ethnic Serbs under one government and Jovic in particular was willing to allow non-Serb areas to seceed to create a new Yugoslavia with land outside Serbia but where Serbs lived. What should that be called other than Greater Serbia?


"you and your kind never seem to remember the Greater Croatia attempt." what does this even mean? Croatia wanted to annex parts of Bosnia? What is my kind? You have no idea what my thoughts on greater croatia attempts are.


" beloved countrymen tried to create called Herceg Bosna" - what?

rom icj: "You are just proving my point that the EU is not a union dominated by Serbia and that's why Croatia and Slovania wanted to join the EU and not be part of (the now defunct) SFRJ."

So you are saying that Croatia and Slovenia wanted to be subservient to another entity rather than being independent. This follows Croatia's long history of vassalage to the Austro-Hungarians and Nazi Germany. I knew you'd agree with me sooner or later. Quite a history to be proud of icj. Something to cherish for sure.

Serbia didn't want Yugoslav break-up but wanted the whole of Yugoslav to be Serbia get it right!

Serbia immediately turned around and started playing the victim.
Poor little Serbia.
(Englishman, 14 September 2016 20:48)

This worthless cretin ignores my comments about him because he knows I am 100% right. He lacks confidence when it comes to his own opinions that he hopes to convince you all that he is something that he is not. He wants you to believe that he is an "Englishman" because he hopes that his retarded will hold a little more weight if you believe he is from the UK.

Poor pathetic fraud.

This is confirmed by a United Nations court has ruled that Serbian troops did not carry out genocide against ethnic Albanians in Kosovo from 1998 to 1999.
(Leonidas, 14 September 2016 17:03)

But that same court ruled that members of the Serb forces committed war crimes and crimes against humanity in Kosovo. Are you saying that those members of the Serb forces should be thanked for being merciful and committing war crimes and crimes against humanity only?!

Is this the same sort of perverse logic that compliments members of Serb forces in Srebrenica for committing genocide only against a few thousand man and boys, but considering the women lucky that they were only raped and only male members of their families were killed, but not them?! How merciful those members of the Serb forces were....

He wants you to believe that he is an "Englishman" because he hopes that his retarded will hold a little more weight if you believe he is from the UK.
Poor pathetic fraud.
(Ari Gold, 14 September 2016 23:37)

Typical Serb tactics when faced with the truth. Try to criminalize (or defraud) the one telling the truth.
I don't think the name bothers you but rather the truth.
Poor little Serbia.

Stop trying to turn attention from the truth by conjuring up irrelevant issues.
(Englishman, 15 September 2016 13:51)

Actually fake Englishman, NATO's aggression against Serbia in the 1990s was a highly unpopular war in the eyes of the average American. Just like every war outside of maybe Afghanistan has been in modern time. I was a child at the time, but my parents remember going to rallies in Chicago and meeting many Americans who had nothing to do with the Balkans waving Yugoslavian flags as a sign of solidarity with our people. The American people never bombed us, corrupt American neocons did.

You are not English, you have such a lack of confidence in your opinions that you want to convince us you are something you're not.
Poor pathetic fraud.

The Yugoslav pattern was repeated in Iraq,Libya and Syria.
(Leonidas, 14 September 2016 12:10)


Leo,
What is your excuse for what has happened to Greece??? You, conveniently, left Greece out of your "analysis".
Isn't it time you got back to your job of washing plates at the Souvlaki restaurant or your boss may replace you by using paper plates.

(icj1, 14 September 2016 14:11)
The EU and -especially the EC- is dominated by big corporations and lobbyists. That is why the EU wants their member states give up their sovereignty. It is nothing less than a corporate takeover of a continent. Croatia found that out when they joined the union: it immediately lost 12% of its exports. So Croatia and Slovenia went from being at the top of Yugoslavia to being at the bottom on the EU. The EU has a serious democratic deficit and everywhere in the EU citizens are turning its back on the union. The Euro has only really benefited Germany and plunged Southern Europe into economic mayhem.

@ Englishman, 14 September 2016 20:48
I lived in Greece in the '90 during the Yugoslav war. I can tell you that the greek press (right wing or left wing) was overwhelmly pro-Serb. None of the crimes committed by Serbs in Croatia, Bosnia and later Kosovo were reported.
The whole Yugoslav wars were presented to the public as a huge conspiracy against socialist Yugoslavia or Orthodox Serbia (depending on the publication). In fact greek population was so much brainwashed that even the Serbian opposition opinions were silenced at the times and any protests against Milosevic regime was presented as minimal.
In fact I remember as it was yesterday the first pages of greek newpapers describing proudly how the Greek flag was raised in Srebrenica while greek volunteers decorated by Bosnia serbs were cheered as heroes (even though most of them were self declared Neo-Nazis members of Golden Dawn)
A greek journalist, Tachis Michas has written a book detailing the level of compliance of greek society during this time.

(Englishman, 15 September 2016 11:57)

Wait, if you're an Englishman, how do you know that Ari can't be a Serbian name? Are you sure you're not from the Balkans yourself? Ari isn't my real name. I've always made it perfectly clear that I am a Serb from Montenegro and I've spent most of my life living in the United States. Your opinions to me are irrelevant and nothing new to readers on B92. I take it with pride.

What bothers me is you want to convince everyone to take you seriously by labeling yourself an "Englishman". Because if you put your actual nationality on here, then you would just be another Albo/Ustasha troll who hates Serbia because we stand for freedom and you guys have historically stood for collaboration. You're not fooling anyone.

Poor pathetic fraud.

From Englishman: "Here's what the president of your country of residence had to say before NATO put a leash on Serbia."

HAHAHA! Because Bill Clinton said it makes it true??? Are you kidding me!! This is the guy who got caught with his pants down in the oval office!! If all of this was true, why then did the Albanians, Croats and Muslims employ the services of several US PR firms to the tune of millions of dollars to influence the western media? Please answer. An executive from Ruder Finn stated that they were paid to create an image, and their objective was to portray the Serbs as Nazis. If the truth was so overwhelming, why the need to spend millions on PR firms? How much did you contribute Englishman?

Leonidas,

Not a bad comment yourself :-)
After the fall of the Berlin wall, all communist and socialist regimes in Eastern Europe had to go and be replaced by market driven economies and societies. Many of these regimes were pretty bad indeed. But any alternative to capitalism had to go or be avoided. That went rather smoothly everywhere. In Yugoslavia that would be a problem since many people wanted to stick with socialism in Yugoslavia that was more humane than in other countries. It meant that Yugoslavia had to be broken up. And that was a problem since there were many minorities everywhere. So the model of victimizing one group while demonizing another was implemented. Serbs had most to lose because they had the biggest minority groups everywhere and in the end they lost it all. Again, that model was applied in other regions.
The giant squid does not take prisoners. This can happen to any place that resists it.
I find it interesting though that countries that couldn't wait to get out of Yugoslavia then could not wait to give up their newly found sovereignty to another union: the EU.

Englishman, 14 September 2016 15:32

The breakup of Yugoslavia was a complex matter, a process that lasted for decades. It was not like you and others believe that Serbs one day decided to kill everybody else. There were ideological, nationalistic, religious and geopolitical powers at play. SFRY was an artificial country with a faulty socio-economic system and a political class that wanted to hold on to that while nationalistic players in every country wanted out. In the end everybody just wanted to protect their own people. But if you think that that whole conflict did not have a international geopolitical angle to it then there really is no hope for you.
The EU is SFRY but now the socio-economic system is (rogue) capitalism that created huge discrepancies between the various countries thanks to a faulty currency, the Euro. The EU suggest as a solution to the problems caused by the vary EU, more EU. Just like SFRY wanted more centralization. In the end forces were unleashed that led to the opposite. I am afraid that the EU is heading in the same direction. Cause they did not learn the lesson from SRFY that you cannot force people and countries to live together if they don't want to or if they can't. You can't apply a one size fits all solution to so many countries with different histories, attitudes and socio-economic systems. Rather sooner than later that leads to frictions, just like it did in SFRY.

From Dwight: "He wanted to create Greater Serbia but call it Yugoslavia and hope no-one would notice. When people say that Milosevic wanted to keep Yugoslavia intact this is also what he meant."

Hey Dwight - NEWS FLASH - MILOSEVIC NOT GUILTY OF CREATING A CRIMINAL ENTERPRISE!!
(njegos, 14 September 2016 15:48)

Congratulations for convincing yourself about "MILOSEVIC NOT GUILTY OF CREATING A CRIMINAL ENTERPRISE!" since Dwight wrote nothing about Milosevic being guilty of creating a criminal enterprise!

@icj1

You seem to have looked into the ICTY rulings in detail.
What does the ruling against Martic say?
I believe that the majority of rulings clearly reflect the overwhelming number of Serb crimes in the former Yugoslavia.
(Englishman, 15 September 2016 09:32)

ICJ doesn't know where is tail connects to his A**hole let alone ICTY rulings! Its almost as comical as your claim to be some sort of "Englishman"

From Englishman in response to the question as to why Croats, Muslims & Albanians used US PR firms to influence the western media:

"... wouldn't you use all means possible, if you were fighting a war for survival?
I think the answer to that was logical."

Yes, so the war has been over for more than 20 years, so you can stop regurgitating the same old tired misleading crap cooked up by your highly paid PR firms. Afterall, the ICTY spent more than 11 years trying Seselj and he was found to be NOT GUILTY of anything. Milosevic was found to be NOT RUNNING A CRIMINAL ENTERPRISE. These were the foundations of your PR campaign. And it fooled the western public for a long time, but now it has been debunked! Give it a rest.

I'm sure we'll cross paths again and when you find yourself unable to defend your Serb-hating comments, you'll attempt to deflect and obfuscate before running away again. What a miserable existence you have.
(njegos, 19 September 2016 15:03)

I don't need to defend any Serb-hating comment because I have written no such comments and I don't intend to write them in the future.

But, I think, you may be confusing me for the Serb hater who writes here under the name "njegos"! What a miserable existence he/she has...
(icj1, 19 September 2016 15:26)

HAHAHA!!Good one icj! What would you call your comments then? At least you have a good sense of humor. HAHAHA!!
(njegos, 19 September 2016 16:00)

Well, as you wrote, I call them "comments".

But you being a Serb hater is definitely not a laughing matter; I'm not sure why you consider it fun for you to be a Serb hater!

I think it boils down to - Serbia likes Russia while the rest are friendly towards the West, so the game of divide and conquer was played quite easily by the West. As usual though, they always have problems winning the peace. The region has been poisoned and divisions remain strong.

@englishman
it was yugoslav tanks rolling into provinces of yugoslavia, not serb tanks rolling into croatia bosnia and kosovo: big difference.

it was british naval boats that attacked the guerra de las malvinas in the 80. atleast serbia borders croatia bosnia and kosovo

it was the british tanks and planes that covered iraq under false pretence and there weren't significant british citizens there to protect from the ravages of saddam.

clean your own closets out before you start mentioning the filth in other's

@icj1

You seem to have looked into the ICTY rulings in detail.
What does the ruling against Martic say?
I believe that the majority of rulings clearly reflect the overwhelming number of Serb crimes in the former Yugoslavia.

But that same court ruled that members of the Serb forces committed war crimes and crimes against humanity in Kosovo. Are you saying that those members of the Serb forces should be thanked for being merciful and committing war crimes and crimes against humanity only?!
(icj1

Click and search on the internet is not equal to knowledge.Recommended reading:

Collision Course: NATO, Russia, and Kosovo Hardcover – 30 Mar 2005
by John Norris

So when you have a civil war on some of the territory you cannot claim it to be separate wars.
You do like to be dramatic.
(Peggy, 15 September 2016 14:07)

It seems that Clinton and many others would disagree with you https://youtu.be/JBKGjMB6Uwk . Attempts to suggest that they were civil wars, despite the fact that the countries had declared independence, do not lessen the magnitude of Serbia's crimes.

NATO's aggression against Serbia in the 1990s was a highly unpopular war in the eyes of the average American. ... my parents remember going to rallies in Chicago and meeting many Americans who had nothing to do with the Balkans waving Yugoslavian flags ... The American people never bombed us, corrupt American neocons did.

(Ari Gold, 15 September 2016 18:53)

Oh this is precious.
I wasn't a child at the time and I remember seeing average Americans gathering in protest in front of the Yugoslav embassy.
Your parents told you that Americans were waving Yugoslav flags so that you could sleep at night. They don't exactly sell Yugoslav flags at Walmart. Lol.
So now in order for you to be able to live with yourself you tell yourself that the average american was against NATO putting a leash on Serbia. You tell yourself that the war was unpopular.
Well, no it wasn't, the average american didn't care, they were air strikes. So when it was finally serbs forced into bomb shelters for a change, the average american was enjoying his life clueless to the fact that NATO is doing the world a favor.

Sorry son, I apologize if I have shattered the illusion that you use to help yourself live in america and look your neighbors in the eyes, among a people that had to bomb your country of origin to stop them from continuing their carnage in the Balkans.

Hey Englishman, you seem to have a lot to say on this forum so why don't you answer the questions I asked of you earlier? If the wrongdoing by the Serbs was so overwhelming and it was the Serbs who planned and carried out the destruction of Yugoslavia, why then did the Croats, Muslims and Albanians find it necessary to spends millions of dollars of US PR firms to persuade the western public of the obvious? May I suggest you pick up a copy of Media Cleansing by award winning NY Times journalst Peter Brock. There you will see where the war was won and how decades of ethnic hatred was explained in 30 second sound bytes to portray one bad guy in an ugly three way civil war.

Your participation is welcome here, just don't run away from the questions like so many do. There are enough cowards posting here, we don't need another one.

The Greeks didn't "decide" but blackmailed to stay in the Eurozone.Lets remind ourselves that in the aftermath of the Greek referendum the first action of fascist EU was to starve Greek banks of liquidity and force the Greek government into the corner.
(Leonidas, 15 September 2016 13:36)

Sorry, but if a country wants to leave the Eurozone, why should the Eurozone continue to help its banks?! It does not work that way mate!
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They couldn't do the same with the UK because it hd its own currency thus enabling the British population to waive two big fingers at Junker and Merkel.
(Leonidas, 15 September 2016 13:36)

Well, it sounds like it is Junker and Merkel waiving two big fingers at the UK and telling it that if the UK wants to sell almost half of its exports to the EU without tariffs, it has to accept the free movement of workers lol I totally understand that the 52% who voted for the Brexit were led to believe that they could maintain access to the EU market without the free movement of workers and so it sounded a great deal, but unfortunately for those 52% that was wishful thinking and daydreaming!

From icj: "By "you" you mean a certain "njegos"? Just asking because I could only find this certain "njegos" writing "that Croatia and Slovenia wanted to be subservient to another entity rather than being independent"!

Talking in circles again when you can't formulate an intelligent reply, eh icj? Too predictable. May I suggest you revert to your earlier tactic of running away like the coward you are so that the forum readers can be spared of your drivel and thereby save precious minutes of their lives that could be used for more constructive activities. LOL

@ Leonidas and Joe A.

Strongly agree.

Divide and conquer.

Asks the Greeks who ultimately decided that remaining in the Eurozone and the EU was more important that their pride or feelings against the evil Germany because the stomach (i.e. the economy) always wins!
(icj1

The Greeks didn't "decide" but blackmailed to stay in the Eurozone.Lets remind ourselves that in the aftermath of the Greek referendum the first action of fascist EU was to starve Greek banks of liquidity and force the Greek government into the corner.They couldn't do the same with the UK because it hd its own currency thus enabling the British population to waive two big fingers at Junker and Merkel.There will be a lot more to come soon with various elections in EU countries.Watch this space!

Because if you put your actual nationality on here, then you would just be another Albo/Ustasha troll who hates Serbia because we stand for freedom and you guys have historically stood for collaboration. You're not fooling anyone.

(Ari Gold, 15 September 2016 13:38)

Freedom? Are you serious? LOL!
Here's what the president of your country of residence had to say before NATO put a leash on Serbia.
https://youtu.be/JBKGjMB6Uwk
Feel free to start at 1:25.
Stop trying to turn attention from the truth by conjuring up irrelevant issues.

With a phrase like this from this man i really think that Serbs are hopeless. Serbia will fall even more down because of it own people, mark my words, their relations with their neighbors are not good or the worst, and if Serbs try to fool themselves and tell that “they don’t care” well I think that they are fool. All the roads pass thru their neighbors, and you can skip one “blow” or two – but nobody can skip all the “blows”, neither the graves that other open for you..
In fact i really have my doubts if Serbs really know what happened there.. Reading a lot of "brainwashed" news event in B92 which in fact i think have some standards i can just imagine what Serbs can read or listen in daily news.
Mahh Serbia didn't want Yugoslav breakup!! In this logic Germany would attack G.Britain and force them to stay in EU just because she like so.
What a criminal minds you have?

Can you please provide a reference to the UNSC resolution that appoints a certain "John Norris" as an ICTY judge
(icj1, 16 September 2016 14:34)

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icj1, the CB of B92, should consult the facts on the appointment of judicial clowns at the ICTY. In one example, a dimwit whose only previous experience was with land claims court hearings was appointed to laughably "judge" criminal cases. Idiocy run amok at the ICTY circus.

PS CB= Chief Bigot

"When you say there were mistakes on our side, who specifically do you have in mind, is it Slobodan Milosevic?

"Your questions are stereotypical, who made the mistake, and let's kill them," the former head of the SFRJ Presidency replied."

Even now, he does not want to admit what happened, like a certain Dacic. Imagine what "jewels" he must have in that book.
The question is not stereotypical, the question is spot on. Serbia, as an abstract entity, does not "say" or "do", individuals do. If these individuals are state officials, then that is much worse. These guilty, or people "who made mistakes" that cost the lives of thousands, should stop spreading the guilt to the entire nation, individuals are responsible.

Attention Ignorant Neigos:

Hitler was never found GUILTY !

Using Slav Serb " logic" does that now mean the Hoelcaust didn't actually happen????

Or that Germany was misled into paying Billions of Marks to cleaver Jews????

Or as the Serb mind might think...

Jews really killed themselves for insurance purposes and blamed innocent Nazi Commanders????

For Restitution purposes....

Serb "logic" is INSANITY on display!

I find it interesting though that countries that couldn't wait to get out of Yugoslavia then could not wait to give up their newly found sovereignty to another union: the EU. 
(Joe A, 14 September 2016 12:53) 

Exactly, because the EU is not a union dominated by Serbia. You finally found by yourself why Yugoslavia broke up.
(icj1, 14 September 2016 14:11) 

The EU and -especially the EC- is dominated by big corporations and lobbyists.
(Joe A, 14 September 2016 18:53)

You are just proving my point that the EU is not a union dominated by Serbia and that's why Croatia and Slovania wanted to join the EU and not be part of (the now defunct) SFRJ.

So Croatia and Slovenia went from being at the top of Yugoslavia to being at the bottom on the EU.
(Joe A, 14 September 2016 18:53)

What's the problem with that?! Being at the top of a failed thing like Yugoslavia was worse that being at the bottom of the EU - that just goes to show how bad Yugoslavia was :)
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The EU has a serious democratic deficit and everywhere in the EU citizens are turning its back on the union.
(Joe A, 14 September 2016 18:53)

The majority of the EU citizens turning its back on the EU only exists in your head, mate since no EU country (except for UK) has asked to leave the EU. And even the UK it appears will only leave in name; in practical terms still wants to be part of the EU market, just it will no longer have the ability to vote on the rules that govern that market! Obviously those who voted for the Brexit missed the fineprint about what Brexit actually meant lol
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The Euro has only really benefited Germany and plunged Southern Europe into economic mayhem.
(Joe A, 14 September 2016 18:53)

Asks the Greeks who ultimately decided that remaining in the Eurozone and the EU was more important that their pride or feelings against the evil Germany because the stomach (i.e. the economy) always wins!

West or no West all agree that Yugoslavia was an artificial creature.
Yugoslavia`s only way not to fall apart was the ethnical and/or political oppression.

West supported Croats and Albanians against Serbia.
West defeated Serbia.

But was it really the West who made Slovenes, Croats, Bosnians, Albanians and Macedonians to not want to live with Serbs... or it was the Serb policy towards the other nations of Yugoslavia?

Mr. Jovic, if you tell someone the wrong time is a mistake. If you set in motion actions which knowingly leads to wars is a crime.
I don't know if Serbia as a whole is guilty for the breakup of Yugoslavia, but you sir are one of the main actors of the tragedy. You were there in a position of power knowingly making decisions that would lead to war.
You wanted Slovenia and Croatia out of Yugoslavia. Your actions in the leadership forced them out. You didn't counted on Bosnia and Kosovo doing the same. When the whole thing backfired on you, you started blaming everyone else (West, USA, NATO) for your own failures.
Shame on you Mr. Jovic. You played games with people's lives and speak now of "mistakes"?

Oh this is precious.
I wasn't a child at the time and I remember seeing average Americans gathering in protest in front of the Yugoslav embassy.
(Englishman, 16 September 2016 07:43)

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Oh Englishman. Your comment is less than precious. Your comment is pure idiocy. You obviously weren't a child in 1999 during NATO's joint criminal enterprise.

You must have been a fairy tale character in your own idiotic narrative.

Average Americans could not gather in front of a Yugoslav Embassy during NATOs crimes. At the time Albright had severed diplomatic relations with Yugoslavia and Albright eliminated the FRY embassy in Washington DC.

For our pleasure: Please do join icj1, the CB of B92, in the self-exposition of your "factually incorrect" idiocies.

PS CB = Chief Bigot

This is confirmed by a United Nations court has ruled that Serbian troops did not carry out genocide against ethnic Albanians in Kosovo from 1998 to 1999.
(Leonidas, 14 September 2016 17:03)

But that same court ruled that members of the Serb forces committed war crimes and crimes against humanity in Kosovo. Are you saying that those members of the Serb forces should be thanked for being merciful and committing war crimes and crimes against humanity only?!
(icj1, 14 September 2016 23:51)

Click and search on the internet is not equal to knowledge.Recommended reading:
Collision Course: NATO, Russia, and Kosovo Hardcover – 30 Mar 2005
by John Norris
(Leonidas, 15 September 2016 10:25)

I just checked the relevant UNSCR resolution (I admit I committed the heresy of looking at them on the internet at the UNSC website lol) and could not find any appointing a certain "John Norris" as an ICTY judge. But perhaps I might have missed it...

Can you please provide a reference to the UNSC resolution that appoints a certain "John Norris" as an ICTY judge as well as a reference to his ICTY judgement about "Collision Course: NATO, Russia, and Kosovo"?

@njegos

As far as I know the seselj ruling isn't final.
Who says Milosevic was acquitted? Read the Martic ruling loser.
These things aren't conjured up they're the plain truth which burns at your soul everytime someone dares to speak it.

Yugoslavia was a mistake, it never should have been created, Serbia should have accepted the deal offered by allies to only claim land where Serbs are a majority population. We never should have involved ourselves with croats and slovenians. Should have given them their own countries or even let them stay with hungary or austria, either way we would have been better of without them, and them without us.

True serbia did not want the break up ,they just simply wanted to gain control/power of it.Many poetic comments about it here by others but all you have to simply do is ask all of serbia neighbors what serbia wanted and dreamed of . Many here also seem to forget history that we lived just yesteryear and love & thrive off the fast paced revision of it .

Here is what my fav pundits - Stupcat have to say about the topic. An entire generation of brilliant Prishtina-born Albos & Serbs was literally wiped out by Kosovo's peasants. No Eng subtitles needed, culture vultures will admire authors' a la Tarkovsky allegoric interpretation of major events. Enjoy. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B8wmCkgeaxw

Asks the Greeks who ultimately decided that remaining in the Eurozone and the EU was more important that their pride or feelings against the evil Germany because the stomach (i.e. the economy) always wins!
(icj1, 15 September 2016 01:31)

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icj1, the CB of B92, rambles on with total drivel. Idiotic thoughts are randomly strung together in run-on sentences that are indecipherable. icj1 doesn't even understand what he/ she is writing.

PS CB = Chief Bigot

Could I please suggest that bible prophesy can never be ignored in this world, presently. Just as Jehovah said Egypt will become the peopleof Jehovah, so he has said, Jeremiah chapters 50 and 51, that Babylon shall never be rebuilt. Jehovah has also prophesied in Isiah 19 that Assyria will become his people. Iraq was invaded because of Jehovah's prophesy when sadam started to rrebuilt Babylon, which Jehovah prohibited.

Hey Englishman, why then did the Croats, Muslims and Albanians find it necessary to spends millions of dollars of US PR firms to persuade the western public of the obvious?

(njegos, 16 September 2016 13:40)

Not sure they spent that much, but even if they did, wouldn't you use all means possible, if you were fighting a war for survival?
I think the answer to that was logical.

Englishman - The ICTY spent 12 years trying to convict Seselj and they couldn't. Sure there's an appeals process, but if your legal experts couldn't convict him of one single charge in 12 years, I'd say your case is done. But you just keep telling yourself he's guilty and pound away at your keyboard. The only thing that burns is the NOT GUILTY verdict that you were so sure would never come. Afterall, your highly paid PR experts had both Seselj and Milosevic convicted years ago. You forgot to answer the question: how much did you contribute Englishman? Be honest now...if you can.

The Greeks didn't "decide" but blackmailed to stay in the Eurozone.Lets remind ourselves that in the aftermath of the Greek referendum the first action of fascist EU was to starve Greek banks of liquidity and force the Greek government into the corner.
(Leonidas, 15 September 2016 13:36)

Sorry, but if a country wants to leave the Eurozone, why should the Eurozone continue to help its banks?! It does not work that way mate!
(icj1, 16 September 2016 14:41)

You’d say that because thickos are not able to understand that Greece is a money laundering vehicle for the Germans.Nearly all the supposed 'bail out' money ends up on the balance sheets of institutions like Deutsche Bank.It has nothing to do with helping profligate Greece, but reimbursing profligate German banks.
(Leonidas, 18 September 2016 20:10)

So you are calling the Greek people "thickos" who were not able to understand that the EU money for the Greek banks had nothing to do with helping Greece, and so they were "blackmailed" for nothing :)

So you are calling the Greek people "thickos" who were not able to understand that the EU money for the Greek banks had nothing to do with helping Greece, and so they were "blackmailed" for nothing :)
(icj1,

That comment was directed to you.Utter f**kwittery...
(Leonidas, 19 September 2016 17:00)

Well, I did not vote, the Greek people voted and were blackmailed according to a certain Leonidas.

But, no need to loose it mate; put your brain to work next time in order to be more coherent in what you write as you are making no sense lol

@(Dwight, 14 September 2016 14:22)

What Milosevic did to seize power in Kosovo, Vojvodjina and Montenegro to control the Yugo council was not a little mistake, it involved spreading deliberate lies and gathering 1000s of supporters and was perhaps the main event that put Kosovo on the path to independence, so if by mistake you mean illegal, unconstitutional, extra-judicial or criminal then ok.

It is true that the West lost interest in Yugoslavia one the USSR broke up, but to say that it was active policy of the West/NATO to destroy it is wrong. If anything, the West let allowed Yugoslavia to disintegrate through neglect.

Well said. Wise leadership could have transitioned jugoslavia into a modern social democracy; perhaps it would have survived. Jovic says "Serbia" made mistakes, no kidding.

Serbs loved the concept of Yugoslavia since other people they could manipulate and get over on...

What Serbia really had in plan was Serbo-Slavia or at least getting all Serb settlers into one new Serb dominate State regardless of Intrrnational Borders/recognitions....

Notice the key culprit in on all 4 wars involved SERBS!

he Greeks didn't "decide" but blackmailed to stay in the Eurozone.Lets remind ourselves that in the aftermath of the Greek referendum the first action of fascist EU was to starve Greek banks of liquidity and force the Greek government into the corner.
(Leonidas, 15 September 2016 13:36)

In actuality, the plan under Varoufakis was to introduce the Drachma back based on a model in South America; unfortunately, Tsipras backed out and scapegoated his finance minister Varoufakis who turned out to be the fall guy. Greece is not going to recover as none of the debt has been relieved and the EU will continue to tighten the noose while privatizing all of Greece's industry. The sell out of a entire nation is under process in Greece, economic invasion if you like.

Where is the Greek leader who will finally stand up and take back Greece's sovereignty.

So you are saying that Croatia and Slovenia wanted to be subservient to another entity rather than being independent.
(njegos, 15 September 2016 15:03)

By "you" you mean a certain "njegos"? Just asking because I could only find this certain "njegos" writing "that Croatia and Slovenia wanted to be subservient to another entity rather than being independent"!

The ICTY spent 12 years trying to convict Seselj and they couldn't. Sure there's an appeals process, but if your legal experts couldn't convict him of one single charge in 12 years, I'd say your case is done.
(njegos, 16 September 2016 22:32)

ICTY has already convicted Seselj not just for one, but for three charges and sentenced him to a total of almost 5 years in prison. Since it burns you that he has already been convicted, you have chosen to close your eyes hoping to change the reality by refusing to look at it lol

So you are saying that Croatia and Slovenia wanted to be subservient to another entity rather than being independent.
(njegos, 15 September 2016 15:03)

By "you" you mean a certain "njegos"? Just asking because I could only find this certain "njegos" writing "that Croatia and Slovenia wanted to be subservient to another entity rather than being independent"!
(icj1, 16 September 2016 14:26)

Talking in circles again when you can't formulate an intelligent reply
(njegos, 16 September 2016 16:06)

I just quoted a certain "njegos". If this certain "njegos" is talking in circles and can't formulate an intelligent reply, feel free to discuss the matter with him/her lol

So you are saying that Croatia and Slovenia wanted to be subservient to another entity rather than being independent.
(njegos, 15 September 2016 15:03)

By "you" you mean a certain "njegos"? Just asking because I could only find this certain "njegos" writing "that Croatia and Slovenia wanted to be subservient to another entity rather than being independent"!
(icj1, 16 September 2016 14:26)

Talking in circles again when you can't formulate an intelligent reply
(njegos, 16 September 2016 16:06)

I just quoted a certain "njegos". If this certain "njegos" is talking in circles and can't formulate an intelligent reply, feel free to discuss the matter with him/her lol
(icj1, 17 September 2016 15:15)

WRONG again! When most educated people use the term 'you' they are referring to someone other than themselves.
(njegos, 19 September 2016 15:03)

Well, yes, but apparently this certain "njegos" is an exception to that because he/she was the only one to write "that Croatia and Slovenia wanted to be subservient to another entity rather than being independent" - nobody else wrote that. So feel free to sort it out with him/her why this certain "njegos" doesn't use the term "you" the way most educated people do!

I'm sure we'll cross paths again and when you find yourself unable to defend your Serb-hating comments, you'll attempt to deflect and obfuscate before running away again. What a miserable existence you have.
(njegos, 19 September 2016 15:03)

I don't need to defend any Serb-hating comment because I have written no such comments and I don't intend to write them in the future.

But, I think, you may be confusing me for the Serb hater who writes here under the name "njegos"! What a miserable existence he/she has...

The EU exporters sold the UK £120bn more goods than UK sent to them last year alone
(Leonidas, 18 September 2016 20:10)

Yes, but what the EU exports to the UK represents 17% of EU's exports, whereas what the UK exports to the EU represents 44% of UK exports. So, it is the EU that has the upper hand!

I'm sure we'll cross paths again and when you find yourself unable to defend your Serb-hating comments, you'll attempt to deflect and obfuscate before running away again. What a miserable existence you have.
(njegos, 19 September 2016 15:03)

I don't need to defend any Serb-hating comment because I have written no such comments and I don't intend to write them in the future.

But, I think, you may be confusing me for the Serb hater who writes here under the name "njegos"! What a miserable existence he/she has...
(icj1, 19 September 2016 15:26)

You've been called out by several others this for being the charlatan that you are. How does it feel
(njegos, 20 September 2016 15:10)

I feel very happy to have exposed you as a Serb hater.

As for the "several others", I have no idea what you're talking about, but feel free to discuss the matter with those "several others" lol

You've been called out by several others this for being the charlatan that you are. How does it feel
(njegos, 20 September 2016 15:10)

I feel very happy to have exposed you as a Serb hater.

As for the "several others", I have no idea what you're talking about, but feel free to discuss the matter with those "several others" lol
(icj1, 21 September 2016 02:06)

Of course you don't.
(njegos, 21 September 2016 13:37)

Great, so we are in agreement that what you wrote makes no sense lol
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Now run along to another thread and continue your Serb-bashing there. I'll find you to correct your revisionist remarks. You can count on that.
(njegos, 21 September 2016 13:37)

Just because you prefer to pass your time bashing Serbs in Serb-bashing threads, that does not mean that's the preferred pastime for other members of these forums, so you are not going to find me in those threads bashing Serbs.

n actuality, the plan under Varoufakis was to introduce the Drachma back based on a model in South America; unfortunately, Tsipras backed out and scapegoated his finance minister Varoufakis who turned out to be the fall guy. Greece is not going to recover as none of the debt has been relieved and the EU will continue to tighten the noose while privatizing all of Greece's industry. The sell out of a entire nation is under process in Greece, economic invasion if you like.

Where is the Greek leader who will finally stand up and take back Greece's sovereignty.
(Jugoslavija,

Spot on.

Englishman
Rude and overly dramatic and you exaggerate. You should use your time on the NHS crisis and Brexit. Relax. Go on vacation to Nice,France for your own catharsis or take some mental health classes.

From icj: "By "you" you mean a certain "njegos"?"

WRONG again! When most educated people use the term 'you' they are referring to someone other than themselves. However, when icj can't formulate an intelligent reply he/she reverts to obfuscation and talking in circles as predicted.

Now it's time for you to do what you do best icj, run away to another thread and start your Serb-bashing there. I'm sure we'll cross paths again and when you find yourself unable to defend your Serb-hating comments, you'll attempt to deflect and obfuscate before running away again. What a miserable existence you have.

I totally understand that the 52% who voted for the Brexit were led to believe that they could maintain access to the EU market without the free movement of workers and so it sounded a great deal, but unfortunately for those 52% that was wishful thinking and daydreaming!
(icj1, 16 September 2016 14:41)

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icj1, the CB of B92, not only spews Mengele-loving idiocy associating an ethnic group with neurological disorders, the CB of B92 is now writing lunacies about the outcome of future trade talks.
The only idiotic daydreamer, is icj1, the one and only CB of B92.

PS. CB= Chief Bigot

Sorry, but if a country wants to leave the Eurozone, why should the Eurozone continue to help its banks?
Icj1
You’d say that because thickos are not able to understand that Greece is a money laundering vehicle for the Germans.Nearly all the supposed 'bail out' money ends up on the balance sheets of institutions like Deutsche Bank.It has nothing to do with helping profligate Greece, but reimbursing profligate German banks.

Well, it sounds like it is Junker and Merkel waiving two big fingers at the UK and telling it that if the UK wants to sell almost half of its exports to the EU without tariffs, it has to accept the free movement of workers
What makes you think that Merkel is going to cut her nose to spite her face? The EU exporters sold the UK £120bn more goods than UK sent to them last year alone,and the EU is simply in no position to throw even more EU workers out of work by being obstructive over trade. No,the real problem the EU faces is that Brexit blows the lid off the whole gaff and creates an entirely new and unpredictable situation. As a result popular Eurosceptic anti-federalist forces at national level will have an unprecedented opportunity to overthrow their complacent federalist elites and kill off their pet projects.The EU is going to either die or become totally irrelevant.
In time, 23 June 2016 may come to be seen as the moment the idea of a EUSSR died.

From icj: "I don't need to defend any Serb-hating comment because I have written no such comments and I don't intend to write them in the future."

HAHAHA!!Good one icj! What would you call your comments then? At least you have a good sense of humor. HAHAHA!!

Yes, but what the EU exports to the UK represents 17% of EU's exports, whereas what the UK exports to the EU represents 44% of UK exports. So, it is the EU that has the upper hand!
(icj1,

You haven't applied your usual "click & learn" this time because had you done so you'd seen from the breakdown country by country that the majority of EU exports to UK come from Germany and to a lesser extent France , Holland & Ireland.The Eastern Europeans use the UK to export their immigrants.According to your logic one can envisage a situation in which madam Merkel visits BMW, VW or Siemens-amongst others- factories and telling their employees they're about to become unemployed because the UK closed its market to German exports.Very fanciful Brexit road map far exceeding your own ignorance.

I don't need to defend any Serb-hating comment because I have written no such comments and I don't intend to write them in the future.
(icj1, 19 September 2016 15:26)

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icj1, the CB of B92, on many occasions has denied his/her past writings. icj1 has associated a neurological disorder with ethnicity in his/ her Mengele- inspired writings.

PS CB = Chief Bigot

So you are calling the Greek people "thickos" who were not able to understand that the EU money for the Greek banks had nothing to do with helping Greece, and so they were "blackmailed" for nothing :)
(icj1,

That comment was directed to you.Utter f**kwittery...

From icj: "I don't need to defend any Serb-hating comment because I have written no such comments and I don't intend to write them in the future.

But, I think, you may be confusing me for the Serb hater who writes here under the name "njegos"!"

Thank you icj for providing yet more evidence that you are a liar, a coward and someone who deflects and obfuscates. And the great thing is, it's not just me who thinks this. You've been called out by several others this for being the charlatan that you are. How does it feel you be the whipping boy/girl of the forum? You sure are a glutton for punishment. Too funny!!

From icj: "I have no idea what you're talking about,"

Of course you don't. Nor do have any idea about what you're talking about. Look these words up if you don't understand them: liar, obfuscate, deflect, mislead, deceitful and coward. Now run along to another thread and continue your Serb-bashing there. I'll find you to correct your revisionist remarks. You can count on that.