Milosevic has not been exonerated from guilt - Hague source

Milosevic was never found guilty of war crimes so he does not have to be exonerated. I just hope Tony Blair is found guilty, as most of Britain knows he already is guilty of war crimes.

The entire case against Milosevic and Karadzic was built around the premise of a “Joint Criminal Enterprise” (that Karadzic and Milosevic conspired together to cleanse Bosnia and create a “Greater Serbia” – an accusation that was dropped against Milosevic even during his trial).

Paragraph 9 of the indictment against Karadzic says: "Radovan KARADZIC participated in an overarching joint criminal enterprise to permanently remove Bosnian Muslim and Bosnian Croat inhabitants from the territories of BiH claimed as Bosnian Serb territory by means which included the commission of [crimes]." And in Paragraph 11 the indictment asserts that "Radovan KARADZIC acted in concert with other members of this criminal enterprise including [...] Slobodan MILOSEVIC".

Conversely, paragraph 6 of the indictment against Milosevic says: "Slobodan MILOSEVIC participated in the joint criminal enterprise [...] The purpose of this joint criminal enterprise was the forcible and permanent removal of the majority of non-Serbs, principally Bosnian Muslims and Bosnian Croats, from large areas of the Republic of Bosnia and Herzegovina, through the commission of crimes." And in Paragraph 7, "The individuals participating in this joint criminal enterprise included Slobodan MILOSEVIC, Radovan KARADZIC, [etc ...]".

The charges against Milosevic and Karadzic have been linked for the Hague for all these years an still are...funny how they are now "separate" for the "serb bashers"

It doesn't matter what "an unnamed spokesperson" at the ICTY says. What matters is the text of the judgment itself.

Whether Milosevic helped Bosnian or Croatian Serbs or not isn't the issue, and in any event it's not a crime and he never denied it anyway. What is a crime is ethnic cleansing and that's what the Karadzic judgment said Milosevic didn't agree with and actually opposed.

Regardless of what some unnamed spokesperson at the ICTY says, the Karadzic chamber did investigate Milosevic's guilt because the Karadzic indictment explicitly names Milosevic as his co-conspirator. That's why the Karadzic chamber made these findings in the first place. The Prosecution alleged that Milosevic and Karadzic undertook the same joint criminal enterprise together -- it's right there in the indictment. To pretend like the Milosevic and Karadzic cases are totally separate issues is completely disingenuous. Look at the indictments, Slobodan Milosevic's name is in Radovan Karadzic's indictment, and Radovan Karadzic's name is in Slobodan Milosevic's indictment. You can't separate the two.

Milosevic's participation in the joint criminal enterprise wasn't just excluded because there was "not enough evidence" against him. The Karadzic chamber went further and cited exculpatory evidence showing that he was opposed to ethnic cleansing. It's all right there in the judgment for anyone who cares to read it no matter what some unnamed spokesperson in The Hague has to say about it.

The entire case against Milosevic and Karadzic was built around the premise of a “Joint Criminal Enterprise” (that Karadzic and Milosevic conspired together to cleanse Bosnia and create a “Greater Serbia” – an accusation that was dropped against Milosevic even during his trial).
(gg, 19 August 2016 14:48)

There is not any ICTY case against "Milosevic and Karadzic", mate. That is an hallucination that exists in your head :)
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And in Paragraph 7, "The individuals participating in this joint criminal enterprise included Slobodan MILOSEVIC, Radovan KARADZIC, [etc ...]".
(gg, 19 August 2016 14:48)

Yes, and you did not provide any evidence that ICTY said anything about Milosevic being not guilty of participating in a joint criminal enterprise with the "[etc...]"!

"Milosevic has not been exonerated from guilt - Hague source"

Of course not, this was only a cheap try by certain Serian politician to make Serbs feel not so ashamed when they think about erecting a monument to honor this great Serbian statesman Slobo Milosevic. And of course to gain cheap points amongst the numerous Serb nationalist who still feel like the victims instead of the perpetrators in the YU wars.

from the "presecutor v. Kardzic"...google it...

3460. With regard to the evidence presented in this case in relation to Slobodan Milošević and his membership in the Joint Criminal Enterprize, the Chamber recalls that he shared and endorsed the political objective of the Accused and the Bosnian Serb leadership to preserve Yugoslavia and to prevent the separation or independence of BiH and co-operated closely with the Accused during this time. The Chamber also recalls that Milošević provided assistance in the form of personnel, provisions, and arms to the Bosnian Serbs during the conflict.11026 However, based on the evidence before the Chamber regarding the diverging interests that emerged between the Bosnian Serb and Serbian leaderships during the conflict and in particular, Milošević’s repeated criticism and disapproval of the policies and decisions made by the Accused and the Bosnian Serb leadership,11027 the Chamber is not satisfied that there was sufficient evidence presented in this case to find that Slobodan Milošević agreed with the common plan.

the hague killed an innocent man...the croat/ustasa/albanian/narco human trafficking mafia were the ones who started the war...

HYPOCRISY:

During the Radovan Karadzic trial, not enough evidence was found to prove that Slobodan Milosevic agreed to his (Karadzic's) plan, but it was found that he put arms and equipment at the disposal of the Bosnian Serbs.

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It is a known fact that Bill Clinton and Helmut ohl, John Major, and others armed both Croatia and Bosnia (and against a UN Resolution that they themselves drafted and voted for).

Hitler was never found guilty by any court.

Hitler never ordered any killing.

He just made the laws and built the system (hired the "right" guys) who commited the genocides and the massacres.

Is Hitler to be presumed innocent because he never killed anyone?

In the so-called "Free" West, people are presumed innocent until proven guilty. We don't need to be exonerated of guilt. This is probably a sign of things to come. This is the new totalitarianism we are witnessing in the West. Everyone will be assumed "guilty" unless "exonerated" by our masters in Washington, Brussels, and, of course, Tel Aviv.
(Michael Thomas, 20 August 2016 10:20)

Michael,
With your way of thinking even Hitler should be presumed innocent. However, in Milosevic's case, like Hitler's, I think we can safely assume their guilt based on the preponderance of evidence.

Micheal Thomas if one was to use your "logic" then Hitler must also be innocent because he also committed suicide but was NEVER CONVICTED!

Who in there right state of mind would defend Hitler being "innocent???"

Pathetic Serb losers and their few and far apart ignorant supporters such as yourself....

The only people Milosevic needs to answer to is the Serbian people!
He was a corrupt, self serving creature who abandoned his people to the hands of Croatian butchers in Krajina. His arrogance and ignorance or world politics was also to blame for his actions in Kosovo.
Things should have been handled differently, but this arrogant buffoon stumbled his way through things.
However at the end of the day he was never found guilty, despite being tried in a kangaroo court that was bias and has no credibility!
A monument should be set up, just to spite the Croats and albanians

In the so-called "Free" West, people are presumed innocent until proven guilty. We don't need to be exonerated of guilt. This is probably a sign of things to come. This is the new totalitarianism we are witnessing in the West. Everyone will be assumed "guilty" unless "exonerated" by our masters in Washington, Brussels, and, of course, Tel Aviv.

,,Former Serbian and Yugoslav President Slobodan Milosevic has not been exonerated from guilty, an unnamed spokesperson of the Hague Tribunal has said". No wonder the spokesperson preferred not to mention his name, is'nt it shameless to say if you kept a person in prison for so many years that he even died there, and you did'nt manage to prove his guilt, to say on his grave "he has not been exonerated". Why is the UN still financing such lazy incompetent hYpocrits just filling their pockets?

@count
you would know about hitler as he was on your side in ww2...the serbs never invaded lands that were not theirs...the hague killed an innocent man

A monument should be set up, just to spite the Croats and albanians
(Built it, 19 August 2016 18:43)

As an Albanian; please do. It would be amusing more than anything else. Clear example of how moronic people can be. You can slice it anyway you want, but Milosevic screwed up Serbia and the Serbs pretty badly. If you want to errect a monument to that, then by all means proceed.

It is a known fact that Bill Clinton and Helmut ohl, John Major, and others armed both Croatia and Bosnia (and against a UN Resolution that they themselves drafted and voted for).
(factman, 21 August 2016 21:57)

Can you please identify this UN resolution that Helmut ohl voted for?
(icj1, 21 August 2016 23:24)

There was a UN arms embargo imposed on all the Yugoslav Republics. Germany, as an obedient American poodle, voted for this resolution.

If you are truly interested in events in the former Yugoslavia, then may I respectfully suggest that you go and read a few books before you comment on this site again.
(Michael Thomas, 22 August 2016 10:31)

Good, so you might want to help our dear factman find this UNSC resolution that Germany voted for simce he/she usually has challenges to find facts supporting what he/she writes, despite the "factman" lol

you just need to provide the UNSC resolution number since you appear to be a very learned person after reading many books :)

It is a known fact that Bill Clinton and Helmut ohl, John Major, and others armed both Croatia and Bosnia (and against a UN Resolution that they themselves drafted and voted for).
(factman, 21 August 2016 21:57)

Can you please identify this UN resolution that Helmut ohl voted for?
(icj1, 21 August 2016 23:24)

There was a UN arms embargo imposed on all the Yugoslav Republics. Germany, as an obedient American poodle, voted for this resolution.

If you are truly interested in events in the former Yugoslavia, then may I respectfully suggest that you go and read a few books before you comment on this site again.
(Michael Thomas, 22 August 2016 10:31)

Good, so you might want to help our dear factman find this UNSC resolution that Germany voted for simce he/she usually has challenges to find facts supporting what he/she writes, despite the "factman" lol

you just need to provide the UNSC resolution number since you appear to be a very learned person after reading many books :)

Debating with you takes me back to my school days when some kid would stick to one trivial and pointless line of argument because that Was all they had to contribute.
(Michael Thomas, 22 August 2016 23:53) 

I only debated lines of argument that you made. I assumed that you were not behaving like when you were a kid in your school days and making a pointless line of argument! Next time you might want to point out which lines of argument that you make are pointless so that readers can skip them!
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Well, OK, you win, Germany was not on the UN Security Council when the Yugoslav arms embargo was agreed, so it couldn't have voted for it.
(Michael Thomas, 22 August 2016 23:53) 

Of course and my advice to you is to check the facts before writing and don't rely on "facts" written by our dear friend "factman". Despite calling him/herself "factman", what he/she writes is seldom based on facts. As soon as I read his/her writing "it is a fact", that was a red flag that he/she must be lying, and indeed he/she did not disappoint :)

But as a member of the UN Germany was obliged to uphold the embargo
(Michael Thomas, 22 August 2016 23:53) 

Sure, nobody said it was not obliged to
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Prior to tho UNSC vote, there was a decision in the EU to impose its own arms embargo on the Republics of the SFRJ, are you going to suggest that Germany didn't instigate and vote for that decision? 
(Michael Thomas, 22 August 2016 23:53) 

The EU did not exist at that time mate, so it could not have taken the decision you are referring to!
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The Germans sent thousands of tons of weapons to the Croats and Bosnian ISIS fighters in open defiance of UNSC Resolution 713 and in defiance of the EU's own embargo
(Michael Thomas, 22 August 2016 23:53) 

Evidence?
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In my rush to knockout this comment I may have made a few spelling mistakes, and I apologise for those in advance,
(Michael Thomas, 22 August 2016 23:53) 

No need to apologise as I never debate spelling mistakes, unless that's what some other contributor here wants to debate :)

But as a member of the UN Germany was obliged to uphold the embargo
(Michael Thomas, 22 August 2016 23:53) 

Sure, nobody said it was not obliged to
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Prior to tho UNSC vote, there was a decision in the EU to impose its own arms embargo on the Republics of the SFRJ, are you going to suggest that Germany didn't instigate and vote for that decision? 
(Michael Thomas, 22 August 2016 23:53) 

The EU did not exist at that time mate, so it could not have taken the decision you are referring to!
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The Germans sent thousands of tons of weapons to the Croats and Bosnian ISIS fighters in open defiance of UNSC Resolution 713 and in defiance of the EU's own embargo
(Michael Thomas, 22 August 2016 23:53) 

Evidence?
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In my rush to knockout this comment I may have made a few spelling mistakes, and I apologise for those in advance,
(Michael Thomas, 22 August 2016 23:53) 

No need to apologise as I never debate spelling mistakes, unless that's what some other contributor here wants to debate :)

Evidence?
(icj1, 23 August 2016 15:44)

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Ironic that the CB of B92 asks for evidence. This is the same icj1 commenter who diagnoses an entire ethnic group with a neurological disorder and conjures the evidence through illogical, warped inferences in his/ her own mind.

It is a known fact that Bill Clinton and Helmut ohl, John Major, and others armed both Croatia and Bosnia (and against a UN Resolution that they themselves drafted and voted for). 
(factman, 21 August 2016 21:57) 

Can you please identify this UN resolution that Helmut ohl voted for?
(icj1, 21 August 2016 23:24)

Here you are icj1. 
UN Arms embargo in 1991 
[link] 

Now go run away and pretend that you didn't see the post as you are apt to do when something makes you look bad lol :) 

Or do what you do best and get involved in legal hair splitting about whether Helmut Kohl was prime minister at the time or whether Germany voted at the UNSC (which of course is besides the point). 
(factman, 24 August 2016 05:22) 

Did you even read the link you provided?! Just curious, because that link shows that the resolution you are referring to was UNSCR 713 for which Germany did NOT vote at the UNSC as you incorrectly wrote! Great job mate for providing yourself the evidence that you are lying lol

And the only one who run away here for 3 days after your lie was exposed was you :)

Can you please identify this UN resolution that Helmut ohl voted for?
(icj1, 21 August 2016 23:24)

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Clearly English is a liability for you.

Please re-read my commentary and ask a question if you wish.

I will try to enlighten you.

Here you are icj1.

UN Arms embargo in 1991
https://www.sipri.org/databases/embargoes/eu_arms_embargoes/bosnia

Now go run away and pretend that you didn't see the post as you are apt to do when something makes you look bad lol :)

Or do what you do best and get involved in legal hair splitting about whether Helmut Kohl was prime minister at the time or whether Germany voted at the UNSC (which of course is besides the point).

The point is that there was a UN Resolution to not arm anyone in the former Yugoslavia and Bill Clinton, John Major, and Helmut Kohl broke that resolution when they armed Bosnia and Croatia -- and that is a crime. lol :)

Lets also remember that those same people sent radical Islamic terrorists to Bosnia.

lol :)

P.S. CB= Chief Bigot

P.S. CB= Chief Bigot

It is a known fact that Bill Clinton and Helmut ohl, John Major, and others armed both Croatia and Bosnia (and against a UN Resolution that they themselves drafted and voted for). 
(factman, 21 August 2016 21:57) 

Can you please identify this UN resolution that Helmut ohl voted for?
(icj1, 21 August 2016 23:24) 

Clearly English is a liability for you. 
Please re-read my commentary and ask a question if you wish. 
I will try to enlighten you.
(factman, 24 August 2016 05:09) 

Sure, can you please identify this UN resolution that Helmut ohl voted for, as you wrote? Please enlighten these forums lol

It is a known fact that Bill Clinton and Helmut ohl, John Major, and others armed both Croatia and Bosnia (and against a UN Resolution that they themselves drafted and voted for). 
(factman, 21 August 2016 21:57) 

Can you please identify this UN resolution that Helmut ohl voted for?
(icj1, 21 August 2016 23:24) 

Clearly English is a liability for you. 
Please re-read my commentary and ask a question if you wish. 
I will try to enlighten you.
(factman, 24 August 2016 05:09) 

Sure, can you please identify this UN resolution that Helmut ohl voted for, as you wrote? Please enlighten these forums lol

Fron the article I saw, Mr. Milosovic was p properly justified by the Judgment.
(Concerning a firm accusation I mad against
the Hague, there are some further aspects I
need some more time to check up, before I
commnt again.by His Grace).

Free, I'm sorry, but you're an idiot.

It is a known fact that Bill Clinton and Helmut ohl, John Major, and others armed both Croatia and Bosnia (and against a UN Resolution that they themselves drafted and voted for).
(factman, 21 August 2016 21:57)

Can you please identify this UN resolution that Helmut ohl voted for?

Icj1

There was a UN arms embargo imposed on all the Yugoslav Republics. Germany, as an obedient American poodle, voted for this resolution.

If you are truly interested in events in the former Yugoslavia, then may I respectfully suggest that you go and read a few books before you comment on this site again.

Icj1

Debating with you takes me back to my school days when some kid would stick to one trivial and pointless line of argument because that Was all they had to contribute. Well, OK, you win, Germany was not on the UN Security Council when the Yugoslav arms embargo was agreed, so it couldn't have voted for it. But as a member of the UN Germany was obliged to uphold the embargo, which it never did. Prior to tho UNSC vote, there was a decision in the EU to impose its own arms embargo on the Republics of the SFRJ, are you going to suggest that Germany didn't instigate and vote for that decision?

The Germans sent thousands of tons of weapons to the Croats and Bosnian ISIS fighters in open defiance of UNSC Resolution 713 and in defiance of the EU's own embargo, which Germany probably drafted.

In my rush to knockout this comment I may have made a few spelling mistakes, and I apologise for those in advance, so if you can be bothered to respond to this message then please make a profound point from which we may all benefit.

Milosevic was never found guilty of war crimes so he does not have to be exonerated. I just hope Tony Blair is found guilty, as most of Britain knows he already is guilty of war crimes.

The entire case against Milosevic and Karadzic was built around the premise of a “Joint Criminal Enterprise” (that Karadzic and Milosevic conspired together to cleanse Bosnia and create a “Greater Serbia” – an accusation that was dropped against Milosevic even during his trial).

Paragraph 9 of the indictment against Karadzic says: "Radovan KARADZIC participated in an overarching joint criminal enterprise to permanently remove Bosnian Muslim and Bosnian Croat inhabitants from the territories of BiH claimed as Bosnian Serb territory by means which included the commission of [crimes]." And in Paragraph 11 the indictment asserts that "Radovan KARADZIC acted in concert with other members of this criminal enterprise including [...] Slobodan MILOSEVIC".

Conversely, paragraph 6 of the indictment against Milosevic says: "Slobodan MILOSEVIC participated in the joint criminal enterprise [...] The purpose of this joint criminal enterprise was the forcible and permanent removal of the majority of non-Serbs, principally Bosnian Muslims and Bosnian Croats, from large areas of the Republic of Bosnia and Herzegovina, through the commission of crimes." And in Paragraph 7, "The individuals participating in this joint criminal enterprise included Slobodan MILOSEVIC, Radovan KARADZIC, [etc ...]".

The charges against Milosevic and Karadzic have been linked for the Hague for all these years an still are...funny how they are now "separate" for the "serb bashers"

The entire case against Milosevic and Karadzic was built around the premise of a “Joint Criminal Enterprise” (that Karadzic and Milosevic conspired together to cleanse Bosnia and create a “Greater Serbia” – an accusation that was dropped against Milosevic even during his trial).
(gg, 19 August 2016 14:48)

There is not any ICTY case against "Milosevic and Karadzic", mate. That is an hallucination that exists in your head :)
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And in Paragraph 7, "The individuals participating in this joint criminal enterprise included Slobodan MILOSEVIC, Radovan KARADZIC, [etc ...]".
(gg, 19 August 2016 14:48)

Yes, and you did not provide any evidence that ICTY said anything about Milosevic being not guilty of participating in a joint criminal enterprise with the "[etc...]"!

It doesn't matter what "an unnamed spokesperson" at the ICTY says. What matters is the text of the judgment itself.

Whether Milosevic helped Bosnian or Croatian Serbs or not isn't the issue, and in any event it's not a crime and he never denied it anyway. What is a crime is ethnic cleansing and that's what the Karadzic judgment said Milosevic didn't agree with and actually opposed.

Regardless of what some unnamed spokesperson at the ICTY says, the Karadzic chamber did investigate Milosevic's guilt because the Karadzic indictment explicitly names Milosevic as his co-conspirator. That's why the Karadzic chamber made these findings in the first place. The Prosecution alleged that Milosevic and Karadzic undertook the same joint criminal enterprise together -- it's right there in the indictment. To pretend like the Milosevic and Karadzic cases are totally separate issues is completely disingenuous. Look at the indictments, Slobodan Milosevic's name is in Radovan Karadzic's indictment, and Radovan Karadzic's name is in Slobodan Milosevic's indictment. You can't separate the two.

Milosevic's participation in the joint criminal enterprise wasn't just excluded because there was "not enough evidence" against him. The Karadzic chamber went further and cited exculpatory evidence showing that he was opposed to ethnic cleansing. It's all right there in the judgment for anyone who cares to read it no matter what some unnamed spokesperson in The Hague has to say about it.

In the so-called "Free" West, people are presumed innocent until proven guilty. We don't need to be exonerated of guilt. This is probably a sign of things to come. This is the new totalitarianism we are witnessing in the West. Everyone will be assumed "guilty" unless "exonerated" by our masters in Washington, Brussels, and, of course, Tel Aviv.

Micheal Thomas if one was to use your "logic" then Hitler must also be innocent because he also committed suicide but was NEVER CONVICTED!

Who in there right state of mind would defend Hitler being "innocent???"

Pathetic Serb losers and their few and far apart ignorant supporters such as yourself....

The only people Milosevic needs to answer to is the Serbian people!
He was a corrupt, self serving creature who abandoned his people to the hands of Croatian butchers in Krajina. His arrogance and ignorance or world politics was also to blame for his actions in Kosovo.
Things should have been handled differently, but this arrogant buffoon stumbled his way through things.
However at the end of the day he was never found guilty, despite being tried in a kangaroo court that was bias and has no credibility!
A monument should be set up, just to spite the Croats and albanians

"Milosevic has not been exonerated from guilt - Hague source"

Of course not, this was only a cheap try by certain Serian politician to make Serbs feel not so ashamed when they think about erecting a monument to honor this great Serbian statesman Slobo Milosevic. And of course to gain cheap points amongst the numerous Serb nationalist who still feel like the victims instead of the perpetrators in the YU wars.

Hitler was never found guilty by any court.

Hitler never ordered any killing.

He just made the laws and built the system (hired the "right" guys) who commited the genocides and the massacres.

Is Hitler to be presumed innocent because he never killed anyone?

In the so-called "Free" West, people are presumed innocent until proven guilty. We don't need to be exonerated of guilt. This is probably a sign of things to come. This is the new totalitarianism we are witnessing in the West. Everyone will be assumed "guilty" unless "exonerated" by our masters in Washington, Brussels, and, of course, Tel Aviv.
(Michael Thomas, 20 August 2016 10:20)

Michael,
With your way of thinking even Hitler should be presumed innocent. However, in Milosevic's case, like Hitler's, I think we can safely assume their guilt based on the preponderance of evidence.

HYPOCRISY:

During the Radovan Karadzic trial, not enough evidence was found to prove that Slobodan Milosevic agreed to his (Karadzic's) plan, but it was found that he put arms and equipment at the disposal of the Bosnian Serbs.

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It is a known fact that Bill Clinton and Helmut ohl, John Major, and others armed both Croatia and Bosnia (and against a UN Resolution that they themselves drafted and voted for).

from the "presecutor v. Kardzic"...google it...

3460. With regard to the evidence presented in this case in relation to Slobodan Milošević and his membership in the Joint Criminal Enterprize, the Chamber recalls that he shared and endorsed the political objective of the Accused and the Bosnian Serb leadership to preserve Yugoslavia and to prevent the separation or independence of BiH and co-operated closely with the Accused during this time. The Chamber also recalls that Milošević provided assistance in the form of personnel, provisions, and arms to the Bosnian Serbs during the conflict.11026 However, based on the evidence before the Chamber regarding the diverging interests that emerged between the Bosnian Serb and Serbian leaderships during the conflict and in particular, Milošević’s repeated criticism and disapproval of the policies and decisions made by the Accused and the Bosnian Serb leadership,11027 the Chamber is not satisfied that there was sufficient evidence presented in this case to find that Slobodan Milošević agreed with the common plan.

the hague killed an innocent man...the croat/ustasa/albanian/narco human trafficking mafia were the ones who started the war...

,,Former Serbian and Yugoslav President Slobodan Milosevic has not been exonerated from guilty, an unnamed spokesperson of the Hague Tribunal has said". No wonder the spokesperson preferred not to mention his name, is'nt it shameless to say if you kept a person in prison for so many years that he even died there, and you did'nt manage to prove his guilt, to say on his grave "he has not been exonerated". Why is the UN still financing such lazy incompetent hYpocrits just filling their pockets?

@count
you would know about hitler as he was on your side in ww2...the serbs never invaded lands that were not theirs...the hague killed an innocent man

Fron the article I saw, Mr. Milosovic was p properly justified by the Judgment.
(Concerning a firm accusation I mad against
the Hague, there are some further aspects I
need some more time to check up, before I
commnt again.by His Grace).

Icj1

Debating with you takes me back to my school days when some kid would stick to one trivial and pointless line of argument because that Was all they had to contribute. Well, OK, you win, Germany was not on the UN Security Council when the Yugoslav arms embargo was agreed, so it couldn't have voted for it. But as a member of the UN Germany was obliged to uphold the embargo, which it never did. Prior to tho UNSC vote, there was a decision in the EU to impose its own arms embargo on the Republics of the SFRJ, are you going to suggest that Germany didn't instigate and vote for that decision?

The Germans sent thousands of tons of weapons to the Croats and Bosnian ISIS fighters in open defiance of UNSC Resolution 713 and in defiance of the EU's own embargo, which Germany probably drafted.

In my rush to knockout this comment I may have made a few spelling mistakes, and I apologise for those in advance, so if you can be bothered to respond to this message then please make a profound point from which we may all benefit.

Here you are icj1.

UN Arms embargo in 1991
https://www.sipri.org/databases/embargoes/eu_arms_embargoes/bosnia

Now go run away and pretend that you didn't see the post as you are apt to do when something makes you look bad lol :)

Or do what you do best and get involved in legal hair splitting about whether Helmut Kohl was prime minister at the time or whether Germany voted at the UNSC (which of course is besides the point).

The point is that there was a UN Resolution to not arm anyone in the former Yugoslavia and Bill Clinton, John Major, and Helmut Kohl broke that resolution when they armed Bosnia and Croatia -- and that is a crime. lol :)

Lets also remember that those same people sent radical Islamic terrorists to Bosnia.

lol :)

A monument should be set up, just to spite the Croats and albanians
(Built it, 19 August 2016 18:43)

As an Albanian; please do. It would be amusing more than anything else. Clear example of how moronic people can be. You can slice it anyway you want, but Milosevic screwed up Serbia and the Serbs pretty badly. If you want to errect a monument to that, then by all means proceed.

But as a member of the UN Germany was obliged to uphold the embargo
(Michael Thomas, 22 August 2016 23:53) 

Sure, nobody said it was not obliged to
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Prior to tho UNSC vote, there was a decision in the EU to impose its own arms embargo on the Republics of the SFRJ, are you going to suggest that Germany didn't instigate and vote for that decision? 
(Michael Thomas, 22 August 2016 23:53) 

The EU did not exist at that time mate, so it could not have taken the decision you are referring to!
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The Germans sent thousands of tons of weapons to the Croats and Bosnian ISIS fighters in open defiance of UNSC Resolution 713 and in defiance of the EU's own embargo
(Michael Thomas, 22 August 2016 23:53) 

Evidence?
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In my rush to knockout this comment I may have made a few spelling mistakes, and I apologise for those in advance,
(Michael Thomas, 22 August 2016 23:53) 

No need to apologise as I never debate spelling mistakes, unless that's what some other contributor here wants to debate :)

Can you please identify this UN resolution that Helmut ohl voted for?
(icj1, 21 August 2016 23:24)

###

Clearly English is a liability for you.

Please re-read my commentary and ask a question if you wish.

I will try to enlighten you.

Evidence?
(icj1, 23 August 2016 15:44)

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Ironic that the CB of B92 asks for evidence. This is the same icj1 commenter who diagnoses an entire ethnic group with a neurological disorder and conjures the evidence through illogical, warped inferences in his/ her own mind.

P.S. CB= Chief Bigot

P.S. CB= Chief Bigot

Free, I'm sorry, but you're an idiot.

It is a known fact that Bill Clinton and Helmut ohl, John Major, and others armed both Croatia and Bosnia (and against a UN Resolution that they themselves drafted and voted for).
(factman, 21 August 2016 21:57)

Can you please identify this UN resolution that Helmut ohl voted for?

Icj1

There was a UN arms embargo imposed on all the Yugoslav Republics. Germany, as an obedient American poodle, voted for this resolution.

If you are truly interested in events in the former Yugoslavia, then may I respectfully suggest that you go and read a few books before you comment on this site again.

It is a known fact that Bill Clinton and Helmut ohl, John Major, and others armed both Croatia and Bosnia (and against a UN Resolution that they themselves drafted and voted for).
(factman, 21 August 2016 21:57)

Can you please identify this UN resolution that Helmut ohl voted for?
(icj1, 21 August 2016 23:24)

There was a UN arms embargo imposed on all the Yugoslav Republics. Germany, as an obedient American poodle, voted for this resolution.

If you are truly interested in events in the former Yugoslavia, then may I respectfully suggest that you go and read a few books before you comment on this site again.
(Michael Thomas, 22 August 2016 10:31)

Good, so you might want to help our dear factman find this UNSC resolution that Germany voted for simce he/she usually has challenges to find facts supporting what he/she writes, despite the "factman" lol

you just need to provide the UNSC resolution number since you appear to be a very learned person after reading many books :)

It is a known fact that Bill Clinton and Helmut ohl, John Major, and others armed both Croatia and Bosnia (and against a UN Resolution that they themselves drafted and voted for).
(factman, 21 August 2016 21:57)

Can you please identify this UN resolution that Helmut ohl voted for?
(icj1, 21 August 2016 23:24)

There was a UN arms embargo imposed on all the Yugoslav Republics. Germany, as an obedient American poodle, voted for this resolution.

If you are truly interested in events in the former Yugoslavia, then may I respectfully suggest that you go and read a few books before you comment on this site again.
(Michael Thomas, 22 August 2016 10:31)

Good, so you might want to help our dear factman find this UNSC resolution that Germany voted for simce he/she usually has challenges to find facts supporting what he/she writes, despite the "factman" lol

you just need to provide the UNSC resolution number since you appear to be a very learned person after reading many books :)

Debating with you takes me back to my school days when some kid would stick to one trivial and pointless line of argument because that Was all they had to contribute.
(Michael Thomas, 22 August 2016 23:53) 

I only debated lines of argument that you made. I assumed that you were not behaving like when you were a kid in your school days and making a pointless line of argument! Next time you might want to point out which lines of argument that you make are pointless so that readers can skip them!
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Well, OK, you win, Germany was not on the UN Security Council when the Yugoslav arms embargo was agreed, so it couldn't have voted for it.
(Michael Thomas, 22 August 2016 23:53) 

Of course and my advice to you is to check the facts before writing and don't rely on "facts" written by our dear friend "factman". Despite calling him/herself "factman", what he/she writes is seldom based on facts. As soon as I read his/her writing "it is a fact", that was a red flag that he/she must be lying, and indeed he/she did not disappoint :)

But as a member of the UN Germany was obliged to uphold the embargo
(Michael Thomas, 22 August 2016 23:53) 

Sure, nobody said it was not obliged to
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Prior to tho UNSC vote, there was a decision in the EU to impose its own arms embargo on the Republics of the SFRJ, are you going to suggest that Germany didn't instigate and vote for that decision? 
(Michael Thomas, 22 August 2016 23:53) 

The EU did not exist at that time mate, so it could not have taken the decision you are referring to!
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The Germans sent thousands of tons of weapons to the Croats and Bosnian ISIS fighters in open defiance of UNSC Resolution 713 and in defiance of the EU's own embargo
(Michael Thomas, 22 August 2016 23:53) 

Evidence?
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In my rush to knockout this comment I may have made a few spelling mistakes, and I apologise for those in advance,
(Michael Thomas, 22 August 2016 23:53) 

No need to apologise as I never debate spelling mistakes, unless that's what some other contributor here wants to debate :)

It is a known fact that Bill Clinton and Helmut ohl, John Major, and others armed both Croatia and Bosnia (and against a UN Resolution that they themselves drafted and voted for). 
(factman, 21 August 2016 21:57) 

Can you please identify this UN resolution that Helmut ohl voted for?
(icj1, 21 August 2016 23:24) 

Clearly English is a liability for you. 
Please re-read my commentary and ask a question if you wish. 
I will try to enlighten you.
(factman, 24 August 2016 05:09) 

Sure, can you please identify this UN resolution that Helmut ohl voted for, as you wrote? Please enlighten these forums lol

It is a known fact that Bill Clinton and Helmut ohl, John Major, and others armed both Croatia and Bosnia (and against a UN Resolution that they themselves drafted and voted for). 
(factman, 21 August 2016 21:57) 

Can you please identify this UN resolution that Helmut ohl voted for?
(icj1, 21 August 2016 23:24) 

Clearly English is a liability for you. 
Please re-read my commentary and ask a question if you wish. 
I will try to enlighten you.
(factman, 24 August 2016 05:09) 

Sure, can you please identify this UN resolution that Helmut ohl voted for, as you wrote? Please enlighten these forums lol

It is a known fact that Bill Clinton and Helmut ohl, John Major, and others armed both Croatia and Bosnia (and against a UN Resolution that they themselves drafted and voted for). 
(factman, 21 August 2016 21:57) 

Can you please identify this UN resolution that Helmut ohl voted for?
(icj1, 21 August 2016 23:24)

Here you are icj1. 
UN Arms embargo in 1991 
[link] 

Now go run away and pretend that you didn't see the post as you are apt to do when something makes you look bad lol :) 

Or do what you do best and get involved in legal hair splitting about whether Helmut Kohl was prime minister at the time or whether Germany voted at the UNSC (which of course is besides the point). 
(factman, 24 August 2016 05:22) 

Did you even read the link you provided?! Just curious, because that link shows that the resolution you are referring to was UNSCR 713 for which Germany did NOT vote at the UNSC as you incorrectly wrote! Great job mate for providing yourself the evidence that you are lying lol

And the only one who run away here for 3 days after your lie was exposed was you :)