"Some Albanians hijack history, for lack of their own"

Albanians want a monument for those killed in the battle of Kosovo? Albanians and Turks are brothers, why would they want that? It is a bit like having a monument for Albanians killed by NATO bombing after they themselves invited it.

Vulin is right! Albanians are claiming that Alexander the great is albanian and that the Churches and monasteries around Kosovo are albanian. Not to mention that they were the firts and only people to settle the Balkans. But where is the proof? Except for some albanian written history books there is nothing to support their claim. Albanians are nothing but theives. They are stealing around Europe and they are stealing in the Balkans.

Albanians have no history, they never were in the Balkans, Albanians are from the Azerbaijan area ,they came as gypsys....they wondered around with no identity....Serbs and Greeks gave them the so called Albania to live in....fact.....

There is nothing new in that. Its always people that are thin on the ground in history/culture that try and hijack someone else' traditions. Just look at the Croats; after the first win at football against Turkey their fans were celebrating by dancing the Kolo to the tune of Uzicko Kolo music.

We lack nothing vulin!
We Albanians are the birth of Balkan history, its soil is drenched in Albanian blood and tears, you are only the remnants of the northern witch that by deceit and treachery made her way to these sacred lands!!! Your lazar would not have had the BA ..'S to confront anyone had it not been for the heroic Albanians with their fierce resolve!!!
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teodor_I_Muzaka

You belong back in Russia, your true lands!!!

Serbs can't have history on Illyrian lands. Your history might be Siberia. The only history in Kosovo is Albanian and Roman.

As desperate as you may claim Albanians are, I think Serbs are far worse. Who in the world relives the moments that probably did not even happen in the way Serbs explain it. I mean, try to move on, it is 2016, you guys are living on some fairy tale that were not even sure it all happened in 1389.

For what 7 million Serbs are proud of? – something that is not survived just in middle of Albanians?
For what 7 million Serbs in all Serbian territory inhabited by Serbs are proud of?
Question: How so, all the Churches and monasteries survive just in middle of Albanian villages?
What survive in Serbia territory inhabited by Serbs? Not to much or nothing..ee?
Serbs can not explain why those monasteries and Churches are in middle of Albanian villages, or better they know very well but don’t like it.
The Orthodox Churches were built in the ruin of Catholic Churches – and between the Orthodoxs and Catholics was not difference at time – that’s why those are in middle of Albanians and that’s why Albanians saved those for centuries.
7 million Serbs should take care of what “history” they saved in their own country - not what is and always was in middle of Albanians and that is part of Albanian history not Serbian one.
Those are built in Albanian villages – inhabited by Albanians – protected for centuries by Albanians – what Serbs have to do with that ?
Who build those churches could have been a Russian, Bulgarian, Greek or even Serbs - could have been anyone who bring Orthodoxism in Albanian lands – the same happened to Catholicism spread in Europe, so what?
You just lie yourselves with myths, you're myths are around old churches - but old churches are in middle of Albanians – you are good just to destroy history and create myths.

...Jugos, best case scenario Greek, worst case scenario half Serbian half Arber, Vojsava & Ivan's son ;)
(Drymades, 29 June 2016 17:58)...
Yeah Mike Tyson,Mao Tze Dub,Che Guevara etc are all Greeks.

Everyone knows that George Castrioti was Arber.
Just go to South Italy to arberesh communities and you'll see that the still speak Albanian.
Skanderbeg’s helmet is made of white metal, adorned with a strip dressed in gold. On its top lies the head of a horned goat made of bronze, also dressed in gold. The bottom part bears a copper strip adorned with a monogram separated by rosettes * IN * PE * RA * TO * RE * BT *, which means: Jhezus Nazarenus * Principi Emathie * Regi Albaniae * Terrori Osmanorum * Regi Epirotarum * Benedictat Te (Jesus Nazarene Blesses Thee [Skanderbeg], Prince of Emathia (older name for Macedonia), King of Albania, Terror of the Ottomans, King of Epirus).

As for Albanians that fought in Kosovo, yes they did.

But also the first disagreement between Albanians and Serbs started when Kastrioti wanted to fight along Hunyadi in the Second battle of Kosovo and Serbs as sultans' servants stopped him.So it was eserbs who started the problem not Albanians.

Kastrioti then burned all the Serbian villages in Kosovo.
Read some books before listen to the sermons of Vorio Epirus associations.

Srbs in the Balkan are like Arabs used to be in Spain.

Srbs in the Balkan are like Arabs used to be in Spain.

delon

The difference is that Spain did something about it. You albanians are not capable of doing anything. The balkans is ours.

We kicked you out from Kosova everybody hates you its time to kick out from balkan to send to Russia where you belong.

agRONio

You kicked us out? Sure it wasn't Nato? Strange you didn't have the power to kick us out before the Nato intervention. And correct me if I'm wrong but there are plenty of serbs left in Kosovo. And more returning. As long as you hate us I'm happy. Because you have nothing to offer and have made no contribution to humanity. Your welfare people and a burden to the rest of Europe. Proof of that is that you are no where near white schengen and even less EU membership.

The only history in Kosovo is Albanian and Roman.
(eric, 29 June 2016 14:55)

The only history in Kosovo is Roman, Byzantine, Serbian, and Turkish. Albanians have a few scraps in Prizren, the Bill Clinton statue, and the garbage strewn roadside KLA terrorist graves.

O la la, Haradinaj lecturing on Balkans' medieval history? Ok then, and under whose flag did Kosovo Albanians fight in the Kosovo battle? Of course Muzaka and all of Albania's Ortho nobles joined their Serbian allies, whom they never betrayed btw. They fought together, married each other, and died together. What was Kosovo Catholic Albanians community doing in the meantime? Did they fight and if so, under whose flag they fought? There is ample evidence of Albania's Ortho nobles participating to that battle, there's no evidence of Kosovo Albanians participating instead. The only logical explanation is that there were only a few Albanians living in Kosovo at the time, if there were any. Again, those good days in which Ortho Albos saved the honor (and asses) of the Balkans' bogomils (love this term) are gone forever. One can't spread hatred 24 hours a day against Orthos and then be like 'wait a minute, actually Ortho Albos were there so we were there as well'. There are no moral grounds for those who converted to celebrate something they were never part of. Friendly advice to Haradinaj, be silent, it's not in Kosovo Albos' best interest to further inquire on this topic. It's not by accident that even Hoxha's brilliant academics tried to skip that part of Kosovo's history. And start writing your own history, it's never too late for that.

Srbs in the Balkan are like Arabs used to be in Spain.
(delon, 29 June 2016 15:44)

Albanians in the Balkans are like Mexicans used to be before Spain.

Srbs in the Balkan are like Arabs used to be in Spain.
(delon, 29 June 2016 15:44)

Shiptars in the Balkans are like what Gypsies are right now in Serbia, Hungary and Romania. Nomadic Asiatic tribes.

Hey cigan minister,Albanians don't need to still your coward history.
Nothing to be proud of this battle. It was only one battle, only one,that make your cowards running on top of each other who can live faster.
Albanians fought on this battle and many more to come,after you fled.
Remember Scanderbeg, first,second, third seize of Kruja, the first, second and third seize of shkodra from ottomans.
We keept fighing more the 100 years after you cowards were worth only one battle.

Srbs in the Balkan are like Arabs used to be in Spain.
(delon, 29 June 2016 15:44)

REMEMBER My Friend it was a SERB(Nikola Tesla) that lit up the world,,,,not a Albo Sheep Herder, Oh I forgot you don't know any history.

Vulin stressed that it was "very important to show to the whole world that Serbian history in Kosovo and Metohija will not become Albanian, or anyone else's - because it is Serbian."

The whole world knows that Kosovo's oldest historic and cultural monument is the Clinton statue in Pristina.

To be fair, Albanians did fight at the Battle of Kosovo with Serbs, Hungarians, Bosnians, Vlachs, Croats, and Italians. But no one other than Serbs ever bothered to commemorate the battle in any meaningful way so it's more than a little curious that Haradinaj is mentioning this now. Again to be fair, he's not denying Serbs were there, but he somehow seems to want to note Albanian presence. That's fine but I think this is little more than a publicity stunt on his part to get people like Vulin to make the predictable reactions.

Still, if Albanians want a monument, they can erect one along with all the other weird and gawdy monuments they currently have to their instant oatmeal history in Pristina. The Gazemestan complex is roped off by the Ahtisaari Plan as a protected Serbian cultural heritage site.

Giorgos Kastrioti sounds Greek to me

This conflict over monuments is really silly and nonsense like many other ones indeed.

both Haradinaj and Vulin are like spoiled kids and just have no tact. Typical Balkan idiots. They really want to deny others of any history or participation in it, instead of finding a common ground to incite some cooperation between the 2 people. There is plenty of common ground. Many Albanians participated in that battle, Serbs must recognize that just like the Albanians must recognize that it was primarily a Serbian effort.

Beyond that, who cares Albanians destroyed 24 Ottoman armies under Scanderbeg, all alone while Serbs were submitted. There is plenty of monuments to build and celebrate those victories for the Albanians ....

Slavs are funny liars. Serbs just like Macedonians (Slavo-Bulgars) who stole Macedonian/Greek history are doing the same to Albanian history. Unlike Serbs Albanians don't have to make up their history. Slavs came to Balkans at the end of 6th century and beginning of the 7th century. When they came they were only Slavs not Serbs, Croats, etc.

The simple and firmly established historical FACT is that Vulin is (probably for the first time in his life) correct and accurate. There were NO Albanians in Kosovo until the 15th century - none whatsoever - and only a few smithers here and there between 15th and 17th century. It was only a massive and systematic campaign of ethnic cleansing by the invading Ottomans that allowed throngs of loyal Albanians from Albania proper to settle in the area. In fact, even then the area remained fairly balanced between the Christian (Serb) and Moslem (Albanian/Turkish) population. It wasn't until the mid-19th century that the Albanians settled in significant enough numbers to become majority in some parts of the Serbian province.

This is why there are NO - none - zero - nil - Albanians cultural, historical or religious monuments in Kosovo older than 15th Century (other than those imported many decades after the fact), no medieval votive locations, no necropolae, no mosques, no traces of any Albanian literacy or literature and definitely no signs of any ethnic, scientific or demographic Albanian presence in Kosovo preceding 15th century.

So bereft was the territory of any Albanian presence until well into the 19th century, that they even lacked the proper term for the lands they took away from the Serbs, the only indigenous natives in Kosovo. To this day, they use the Serbian toponym for the province -- because they still haven't been able to come up with one of their own.

Hank the tank
We kicked you out from Kosova everybody hates you its time to kick out from balkan to send to Russia where you belong.

So there we have it, the true colors of
1) Servo Slavic officials, who with fare too many toughs, about neutrality on one side and of total lack of respect for neighbor’s existence and history dating back fare beyond Servo Slavic invasion the east, and
2) the Servo Slavic imbedded racial hatred towards a population that founds it’s root fare too deeper then Servo Slavic people ever will have (because of their nomad’s gen).
It’s most be a pity only to be able to celebrate your Servo Slavic culture’s loses. Nothing else to celebrate I must assume.
It’s a historic fact (look it up in your own schoolbooks) that We, the Albanians a decedent from the Great Illyrians. Like now, in 1389 Albanians didn’t trust the Servo Slavic people but We took you under our wing, and made the alliance across the region possible. Not to mention the Millosh Kopiliq was Albanian.
But why would you know that – you probably didn’t even read your own school. I feel sorry for you because 7Millions are being taking for a ride by a communist – a C O M M U N I S T!
…now you can go back to attacking other country’s football players, genocide and massacre, jumping on Croat cars…but don’t claim what is obesely not yours – Our History. I’ll suggest that you go back and read your own school textbook.

Albanians did fight against the Ottomans at Kosovo Polje.

Serbs should not seek to deny this. It is true.

That said, Albanians should not seek to make this more than it is. The Albanian segment was not great in numbers. This was a Serb-led military battle where Serbs already knew what the outcome would be. Serbs were given the ultimatum from the ottomans, not Albanians. Serbs were the Empire the Ottomans wanted to crush, not Albanians.

Salute the Albanians who fought valiantly there, but be serious and don't try to hijack the pivotal moment of Serbia's history as your own.

Serbia has celebrated their loss for 630 years. Albanian has neither celebrated the battle, nor the loss for 630 years. This alone tells you who's history it really is.


A number of British citizenry fought in the American Revolution against the Tories. And what? This is now a British revolution? Many French fought with the Americans too. Ad what this was a French revolution?

Silly thinking.

Can somebody remind me The doctrine of Cosic? That's exactly what the history of Serbia is.
(Tony Pocesta, 30 June 2016 01:56)

Can someone remind me of the doctrine of Ante Pavelic alive and well in Croatia-no other history exists of Croatia other than Austro-Hungary and Yugoslavia

Slavs are funny liars. Serbs just like Macedonians (Slavo-Bulgars) who stole Macedonian/Greek history are doing the same to Albanian history. Unlike Serbs Albanians don't have to make up their history. Slavs came to Balkans at the end of 6th century and beginning of the 7th century. When they came they were only Slavs not Serbs, Croats, etc.
(Avni, 29 June 2016 21:08)

Yes, Macedonian name and history is Hellenic but Albanian history is purely Turkish and Nomadic Asiatic.

Jugos, best case scenario Greek, worst case scenario half Serbian half Arber, Vojsava & Ivan's son ;)

fact : "Albanians have no history


Nothing is correct in your comment. Shqiptars are not Albanians or at least they are not the only Albanians in the region. Initially word “Albanian” was Slavic BELI/БЕЛЫЙ i.e. “white” (Horde) but because parchment was too expensive consonant letters were not written in all languages. So БЕЛАЯ ОРДА was written as БЛ РД and so was written Belgrade! Then it was interpreted in languages that used so called Arabic letters where БЛ became (from right to left) ЛБ. Then prefix A was added to create word ALBA = WHITE. Albanians mentioned in the old books had no ethnical context but meant the military power to which those people belonged. At least 80% of the Albanians all over the world were Slavic Cossacks. But some 15-20% of the Great Horde made non Slavic tribes and peoples from Caucasus, Central Asia, Balkans ect. So Shqiptars could quite be Albanians too. At least there must be some reason why out of so many names they’ve chosen word ALBANIAN. They must have faced a serious problem of self-identification after the Ottomans. Unlike Serbs who all were Orthodox Shiptars had to unite in fact 3 peoples who spoke close languages but had different traditions. Because they had belonged to 3 (out of 4) different Milliets of their former empire. I hate what the Shqiptars do last 2 decades but if we all behave like you do the Yankees will need no Bondsteels to control us all … So stop spitting hatred out and try to be reasonable.

Srbs in the Balkan are like Arabs used to be in Spain.
(delon, 29 June 2016 15:44)

Exactly my friend! At least someone told the truth here ! I only have to add that most of the Arabs in Spain were Russians and other Slavs. That’s why Spanish have the dominating Slavic R1b happlogroup. And so are all other peoples of the western Europe. Serbs also could be among the “Arabs” because we seized the Apppenines from two sides – from Africa and from Europe. Serbs could be in both armies.

From Russia with love!

Giorgos Kastrioti sounds Greek to me
(Jugoslavija, 29 June 2016 16:41)

It's Kastriotovic; and like Jesus Christovic, he was a Serb.

Uhhh… moreee roteeee…
How could I bring down what have you wrote?
I take a 4 days holiday – I'm relaxed – I feel positive – the water is wonderful – a little bit cold - I have nothing against Russians – I want peaceee in worlddd. He he he.
I don't need bad energia – so I'm not often here.
Greetings from Drimadhes Albania!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KDxJlW6cxRk

You fought you lost, have fun make a party, but dont blame others for not celebrating their losses.
(Gjakova, 30 June 2016 13:15)

Serbia also lost to the Nazi's and Austro-Hungary while Albania joined them.

Serbia has celebrated their loss for 630 years. Albanian has neither celebrated the battle, nor the loss for 630 years. This alone tells you who's history it really is.
(factman, 30 June 2016 02:07)

Most of the world does not celebrate losses, but winning so Albanians did not see need to celebrate it, just like UK does not celebrate upcoming any battles lost in nor Russia, nor Germany etc.

Just wondering why does not Serbia celebrate Operation Storm as well that was just 11 years ago?

You fought you lost, have fun make a party, but dont blame others for not celebrating their losses.

Serbs can't have history on Illyrian lands. Your history might be Siberia. The only history in Kosovo is Albanian and Roman.
(eric, 29 June 2016 14:55)

As Albos claim to have occupied that region since pre history, show us what have you left that can be claimed as evidence. Remember no imaginary stuff or stories of Albo churches in Kosovo taken by Serbs but real evidence.

This should be good LOL.

The only history in Kosovo is Albanian and Roman.
(eric, 29 June 2016 14:55)

The only history in Kosovo is Roman, Byzantine, Serbian, and Turkish. Albanians have a few scraps in Prizren, the Bill Clinton statue, and the garbage strewn roadside KLA terrorist graves.

come on go to Siberia is plenty of land to fit all of serbia and fake macedonians in there. Lets talk about the 6th century, ups there were no serbs/slavs. Serbs have no idea where they come from in todays society because they are brainwashed. But looking at past history all serbs did was invade, kill, war, genocide, murder, religious fanatics, barbarians, uncivilized people.

"This was Vulin's reaction to Alliance for the Future of Kosovo leader Ramush Haradinaj's initiative "to build a monument at Gazimestan to the Albanians who died in the Battle of Kosovo."

Haradinaj made this suggestion on June 28, as Serbia was marking Vidovdan (St. Vitus Day). There is already a monument at Gazimestan, near Pristina, one dedicated to the Serbian medieval state's soldiers who died in the Battle of Kosovo, fought on Vidovdan, in 1389, against the invading Ottoman Turks.

In his reaction, Vulin remarked that "those who have no history of their own as a rule attempt to hijack that which belongs to others.""

It sounds like this Vulin guy has some reading and comprehension challenges. Haradinaj proposed a monument to the Albanians, not a monument to the Serbs. So I have no idea what "hijack" Vulin is talking about, unless he considers Serbs to be Albanians!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Kosovo_(1448)

Hungarians should celebrate it too… MAHHH…

Can somebody remind me The doctrine of Cosic? That's exactly what the history of Serbia is.

Yugoslavia did join the tripartite pact with Germany, Italy and Japan without firing a shot and when it was not under Nazi occupation.
-- icj1

** THIS SIGNED AGREEMENT LASTED 2 DAYS BEFORE IT WAS TORN TO PIECES.

** 46 DAYS AFTER THAT SERBIA FORMED THE FIRST RESISTANCE MOVEMENT IN EUROPE AGAINST THE NAZI'S

** NEDIC NEVER DECLARED WAR ON AMERICA, UK, OR THE ALLIES. ALBANIA DID.

** YUGOSLAVIA CONTRIBUTED MATERIALLY TO THE ALLIED CAUSE AND WAS GREATLY REWARDED. ALBANIA DID NOT... NOR WAS IT REWARDED. IN FACT IT'S DECLARAtion of war against the USA stood until the 90'S :) lol

** BELGRADE WAS BOMBED TO OBLIVION 6 DAYS AFTER TEARING UP THE SIGNED PACT. 20,000 PEOPLE DID ON THAT EASTER SUNDAY MORNING.

** YOU WANT TO KNOW WHO RESISTED AND WAS NOT A COWARD? IF YOUR CAPITAL CITIES WERE NOT BOMBED, THEN CLEARLY YOU RESISTED.

** IF YOUR CITIES WERE NOT BOMBED THEN CLEARLY YOU WERE A COWARD.

** PLEASE ATTEMPT TO DISPROVE THIS...

.... AND BY TEH WAY... YOU ARE A GREAT DEMAGOGUE.

icj1,

A few days ago you used the collapse of world markets and their currencies as evidence to support your view about Brexit.

I waited patiently knowing that markets and currencies would rebound and overcome the shrill responses by people like you and profited nicely). :) LOL

Therefore I would like to propose to all that icj1 = Chief Economist
:) LOL

His command of economics, markets, currencies, et al is unparralled on this site. LOL :)

May you please give us some enlightenment today. I want to make sure I by contrarian stock to what you teach us. LOL :)

Laughing all the way to the bank

P.S. Half Serbian half Arber, Muz, remember. Forget about Hoxha's academics' brainstorming, Kastrioti was one of Serbs' closest allies, never fought against Serbs, couldn't fight against his own mother's blood even if he wanted to. One of Europe's dozens of nobles, otherwise. Of course, Pope's moles used, abused, and betrayed him. Born and died as an Ortho, though, found his own spiritual guide before death. Maybe of Greek origins.....Skenderbeu ;) You belong to Tiranas Lepa Brena's fans generation Muz, right? That's why you're here, right? I don't......

Joni : [link](1448) Hungarians should celebrate it too… MAHHH…


It’s a great book Joni but the battle of 1389 is mentioned there as a Russian event. It was a religious war long before Islam broke away from the Orthodox church and long before the first Turks or any other nations appeared. It was a war inside the Ruricovici dynasty that already controlled Eurasia and Africa. So their battles happened everywhere the two sides met each other. Be it the battle against Tohtamish in 1372 on Volga or the greatest Kulikovo battle of 1380 in Moscow or Kosovo battle of 1389 or the battle of Angora/Ankara in 1402. The war ended in 1415 with the famous standing on the Ugra river when the White Horde (Apostolic Christianity) finally took the upper hand. The so called First Christians (posecuted) also known as the PAGANS lost the war. The two armies were united under the Whites/Albanians and went to restore order/horde in their European colonies that stopped to pay money during the civil war in the metropole. The battle of 1448 could be one of the last battles of the famous Reconquista. The Horde stopped in Spain and established there the famous church of St.James where on the outside wall you can still see the map of Europe with 9 swords entering where the main states of the continents were. By the way Hungarians were Albanians because they always been within the troops of the Whites.

Muz, it was Dryhmes not you who wrote on this site some touching rhymes on Macedonia's discriminated Ortho Albos who have been obliged through the centuries to declare themselves as Slavs. You & other Albos remained silent because Albos need to be part of Gruevski's government Muz...I recently read that Montenegro's academics are saying that Albos in Montenegro are in fact either migrants from Albania or albanized Slavs, Muz, and I'm surprised to read Albos tweeting on Montenenegrins being their best allies, Muz. NATO allies, Muz, Milo's pennies are sweet, my dearest Muz. I've already read the Austrian Schmitt and I already ordered Plasari's book, Muz, and you should have sensed that Muz, before misspelling here continuously Orthos' names.

Hey factman - I used the same facts that you used in response to our friend icj on an earlier thread. His response was to cut and paste my words out of context to change the meaning of my post then ran away without answering the questions I posed to him/her. This should tell you a little something about the character of our friend icj, or lack thereof.

Albania joined them and then Dushan Mugosha & Miladin Popovic founded the Alb Communist Party, Jugos. Albania's antifascist movement owes much of its success to you, Yugoslavians. Vojo Kushi, Branko Kadija, Ivo Jovanov, Vasil Shanto, Vojin Dragovic, Petar Bulatovic, Jordan Misja, Xoxi Martini, they all belonged to Skadar's Serb-Montenegrin minority, Jugos.Established the first anti-fascist organization in Albania, Jugos. Fought and died in Albania and for Albania, Jugos. Kosovo Albos also played a crucial role in Albania's antifascist movement. Feel free to invoke a curse on yourselves, Jugos dear ;)

Serbia has a history all of a sudden?! LOL :)
What do you have? Please count your historical monuments and let's compare. I will give you one simple math equation:

Old Orthodox churches in the Albanian village of Voskopoja = 2 x Old Serb churches in Serbia and Kosovo together

Just one Albanian village has twice more history than the entire Serbian nation! And I didn't start talking about other monuments because a few Orthodox churches is all you have :)
Of course only Serbs would be silly enough to pick a history "fight" with one of the oldest nations in Europe :) When they don't have anything themselves they attack using the same words everyone says about Serbs :)

Serbia also lost to the Nazi's and Austro-Hungary while Albania joined them.
(Jugoslavija, 30 June 2016 16:43)

Albania did not join the Tripartite Pact with Germany, Italy and Japan. That's a pure lie.

But Yugoslavia did join the tripartite pact with Germany, Italy and Japan without firing a shot and when it was not under Nazi occupation. If it had done it under Nedic's puppet government under Nazi occupation, it would have meant nothing since Nedic was a puppet. But Yugoslavia did it when it was not under Nazi occupation. Great example of cowardice!

A few words in Russian, the cyrillic alphabet, and a few greetings, that's all I know, Skenderbeu. Never watched the film on Skenderbeu, the one produced by Russians. Never been to Russia. I don't speak Srpski either, unfortunately, but I do know the lyrics of a couple of songs in Srpski. Very nice people the Serbs, don't you think?

Can the albo trolls answer one simple question. If you were the brave warriors who fought off the Turks and not the Serbs why is your nation 90% muslim..?

Jugoslavija : Yes, Macedonian name and history is Hellenic but Albanian history is purely Turkish and Nomadic Asiatic.


How do you know all that? Can you tell us a medieval or an ancient source where it is written? There are Russian books of 16 century telling that Alexander controlled Western Syberia. What Greeks could beat Russians and reach Tumen or Tomsk ?

Also Russian Cossacks were nomads because they had 2-3 horses each. But horse needs 3 times more of grass than a cow so they had to change their places often. This is why the Ottomans never afforded big cavalry. They were lacking fields of grass and wheat. So they had to develop “new army” known as Janissary.

As for the Shqiptars they must have been formed during the Ottomans but it’s just a suggestion coz there’s no evidence or artefacts that prove it. Using word Albanian in the context is incorrect. At least you will have to explain who and why called an American state Albany or why the British Islands were called MISTY ALBION.

Finally stop mixing words Ottomans and Turks. The empire stopped to exist in 1918 only. Turks is an artificial nation that appeared together with the Turkish language in between 1923-1942. Mustafa Kemal hated the Ottomans. He was a poor Muslim and alcoholic. To know all these you don’t need any special version of history. Just stop dancing in the crowd.

Anyone who wants to know about Kosovo battle should read: "Early reports of victory and defeat" by prof. Thomas A. Emmert.
Enjoy reading it!

@ Drymades
Do you speak Russian language? Have you been to Russia? Why you speak Serbian?

We lack nothing vulin!
We Albanians are the birth of Balkan history, its soil is drenched in Albanian blood and tears, you are only the remnants of the northern witch that by deceit and treachery made her way to these sacred lands!!! Your lazar would not have had the BA ..'S to confront anyone had it not been for the heroic Albanians with their fierce resolve!!!
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teodor_I_Muzaka

You belong back in Russia, your true lands!!!

As desperate as you may claim Albanians are, I think Serbs are far worse. Who in the world relives the moments that probably did not even happen in the way Serbs explain it. I mean, try to move on, it is 2016, you guys are living on some fairy tale that were not even sure it all happened in 1389.

Vulin is right! Albanians are claiming that Alexander the great is albanian and that the Churches and monasteries around Kosovo are albanian. Not to mention that they were the firts and only people to settle the Balkans. But where is the proof? Except for some albanian written history books there is nothing to support their claim. Albanians are nothing but theives. They are stealing around Europe and they are stealing in the Balkans.

The only history in Kosovo is Albanian and Roman.
(eric, 29 June 2016 14:55)

The only history in Kosovo is Roman, Byzantine, Serbian, and Turkish. Albanians have a few scraps in Prizren, the Bill Clinton statue, and the garbage strewn roadside KLA terrorist graves.

Albanians have no history, they never were in the Balkans, Albanians are from the Azerbaijan area ,they came as gypsys....they wondered around with no identity....Serbs and Greeks gave them the so called Albania to live in....fact.....

For what 7 million Serbs are proud of? – something that is not survived just in middle of Albanians?
For what 7 million Serbs in all Serbian territory inhabited by Serbs are proud of?
Question: How so, all the Churches and monasteries survive just in middle of Albanian villages?
What survive in Serbia territory inhabited by Serbs? Not to much or nothing..ee?
Serbs can not explain why those monasteries and Churches are in middle of Albanian villages, or better they know very well but don’t like it.
The Orthodox Churches were built in the ruin of Catholic Churches – and between the Orthodoxs and Catholics was not difference at time – that’s why those are in middle of Albanians and that’s why Albanians saved those for centuries.
7 million Serbs should take care of what “history” they saved in their own country - not what is and always was in middle of Albanians and that is part of Albanian history not Serbian one.
Those are built in Albanian villages – inhabited by Albanians – protected for centuries by Albanians – what Serbs have to do with that ?
Who build those churches could have been a Russian, Bulgarian, Greek or even Serbs - could have been anyone who bring Orthodoxism in Albanian lands – the same happened to Catholicism spread in Europe, so what?
You just lie yourselves with myths, you're myths are around old churches - but old churches are in middle of Albanians – you are good just to destroy history and create myths.

Serbs can't have history on Illyrian lands. Your history might be Siberia. The only history in Kosovo is Albanian and Roman.

Giorgos Kastrioti sounds Greek to me

fact : "Albanians have no history


Nothing is correct in your comment. Shqiptars are not Albanians or at least they are not the only Albanians in the region. Initially word “Albanian” was Slavic BELI/БЕЛЫЙ i.e. “white” (Horde) but because parchment was too expensive consonant letters were not written in all languages. So БЕЛАЯ ОРДА was written as БЛ РД and so was written Belgrade! Then it was interpreted in languages that used so called Arabic letters where БЛ became (from right to left) ЛБ. Then prefix A was added to create word ALBA = WHITE. Albanians mentioned in the old books had no ethnical context but meant the military power to which those people belonged. At least 80% of the Albanians all over the world were Slavic Cossacks. But some 15-20% of the Great Horde made non Slavic tribes and peoples from Caucasus, Central Asia, Balkans ect. So Shqiptars could quite be Albanians too. At least there must be some reason why out of so many names they’ve chosen word ALBANIAN. They must have faced a serious problem of self-identification after the Ottomans. Unlike Serbs who all were Orthodox Shiptars had to unite in fact 3 peoples who spoke close languages but had different traditions. Because they had belonged to 3 (out of 4) different Milliets of their former empire. I hate what the Shqiptars do last 2 decades but if we all behave like you do the Yankees will need no Bondsteels to control us all … So stop spitting hatred out and try to be reasonable.

Albanians want a monument for those killed in the battle of Kosovo? Albanians and Turks are brothers, why would they want that? It is a bit like having a monument for Albanians killed by NATO bombing after they themselves invited it.

Srbs in the Balkan are like Arabs used to be in Spain.

Srbs in the Balkan are like Arabs used to be in Spain.

delon

The difference is that Spain did something about it. You albanians are not capable of doing anything. The balkans is ours.

Hey cigan minister,Albanians don't need to still your coward history.
Nothing to be proud of this battle. It was only one battle, only one,that make your cowards running on top of each other who can live faster.
Albanians fought on this battle and many more to come,after you fled.
Remember Scanderbeg, first,second, third seize of Kruja, the first, second and third seize of shkodra from ottomans.
We keept fighing more the 100 years after you cowards were worth only one battle.

There is nothing new in that. Its always people that are thin on the ground in history/culture that try and hijack someone else' traditions. Just look at the Croats; after the first win at football against Turkey their fans were celebrating by dancing the Kolo to the tune of Uzicko Kolo music.

Srbs in the Balkan are like Arabs used to be in Spain.
(delon, 29 June 2016 15:44)

Shiptars in the Balkans are like what Gypsies are right now in Serbia, Hungary and Romania. Nomadic Asiatic tribes.

...Jugos, best case scenario Greek, worst case scenario half Serbian half Arber, Vojsava & Ivan's son ;)
(Drymades, 29 June 2016 17:58)...
Yeah Mike Tyson,Mao Tze Dub,Che Guevara etc are all Greeks.

Everyone knows that George Castrioti was Arber.
Just go to South Italy to arberesh communities and you'll see that the still speak Albanian.
Skanderbeg’s helmet is made of white metal, adorned with a strip dressed in gold. On its top lies the head of a horned goat made of bronze, also dressed in gold. The bottom part bears a copper strip adorned with a monogram separated by rosettes * IN * PE * RA * TO * RE * BT *, which means: Jhezus Nazarenus * Principi Emathie * Regi Albaniae * Terrori Osmanorum * Regi Epirotarum * Benedictat Te (Jesus Nazarene Blesses Thee [Skanderbeg], Prince of Emathia (older name for Macedonia), King of Albania, Terror of the Ottomans, King of Epirus).

As for Albanians that fought in Kosovo, yes they did.

But also the first disagreement between Albanians and Serbs started when Kastrioti wanted to fight along Hunyadi in the Second battle of Kosovo and Serbs as sultans' servants stopped him.So it was eserbs who started the problem not Albanians.

Kastrioti then burned all the Serbian villages in Kosovo.
Read some books before listen to the sermons of Vorio Epirus associations.

O la la, Haradinaj lecturing on Balkans' medieval history? Ok then, and under whose flag did Kosovo Albanians fight in the Kosovo battle? Of course Muzaka and all of Albania's Ortho nobles joined their Serbian allies, whom they never betrayed btw. They fought together, married each other, and died together. What was Kosovo Catholic Albanians community doing in the meantime? Did they fight and if so, under whose flag they fought? There is ample evidence of Albania's Ortho nobles participating to that battle, there's no evidence of Kosovo Albanians participating instead. The only logical explanation is that there were only a few Albanians living in Kosovo at the time, if there were any. Again, those good days in which Ortho Albos saved the honor (and asses) of the Balkans' bogomils (love this term) are gone forever. One can't spread hatred 24 hours a day against Orthos and then be like 'wait a minute, actually Ortho Albos were there so we were there as well'. There are no moral grounds for those who converted to celebrate something they were never part of. Friendly advice to Haradinaj, be silent, it's not in Kosovo Albos' best interest to further inquire on this topic. It's not by accident that even Hoxha's brilliant academics tried to skip that part of Kosovo's history. And start writing your own history, it's never too late for that.

Vulin stressed that it was "very important to show to the whole world that Serbian history in Kosovo and Metohija will not become Albanian, or anyone else's - because it is Serbian."

The whole world knows that Kosovo's oldest historic and cultural monument is the Clinton statue in Pristina.

Srbs in the Balkan are like Arabs used to be in Spain.
(delon, 29 June 2016 15:44)

REMEMBER My Friend it was a SERB(Nikola Tesla) that lit up the world,,,,not a Albo Sheep Herder, Oh I forgot you don't know any history.

So there we have it, the true colors of
1) Servo Slavic officials, who with fare too many toughs, about neutrality on one side and of total lack of respect for neighbor’s existence and history dating back fare beyond Servo Slavic invasion the east, and
2) the Servo Slavic imbedded racial hatred towards a population that founds it’s root fare too deeper then Servo Slavic people ever will have (because of their nomad’s gen).
It’s most be a pity only to be able to celebrate your Servo Slavic culture’s loses. Nothing else to celebrate I must assume.
It’s a historic fact (look it up in your own schoolbooks) that We, the Albanians a decedent from the Great Illyrians. Like now, in 1389 Albanians didn’t trust the Servo Slavic people but We took you under our wing, and made the alliance across the region possible. Not to mention the Millosh Kopiliq was Albanian.
But why would you know that – you probably didn’t even read your own school. I feel sorry for you because 7Millions are being taking for a ride by a communist – a C O M M U N I S T!
…now you can go back to attacking other country’s football players, genocide and massacre, jumping on Croat cars…but don’t claim what is obesely not yours – Our History. I’ll suggest that you go back and read your own school textbook.

We kicked you out from Kosova everybody hates you its time to kick out from balkan to send to Russia where you belong.

agRONio

You kicked us out? Sure it wasn't Nato? Strange you didn't have the power to kick us out before the Nato intervention. And correct me if I'm wrong but there are plenty of serbs left in Kosovo. And more returning. As long as you hate us I'm happy. Because you have nothing to offer and have made no contribution to humanity. Your welfare people and a burden to the rest of Europe. Proof of that is that you are no where near white schengen and even less EU membership.

Hank the tank
We kicked you out from Kosova everybody hates you its time to kick out from balkan to send to Russia where you belong.

Srbs in the Balkan are like Arabs used to be in Spain.
(delon, 29 June 2016 15:44)

Exactly my friend! At least someone told the truth here ! I only have to add that most of the Arabs in Spain were Russians and other Slavs. That’s why Spanish have the dominating Slavic R1b happlogroup. And so are all other peoples of the western Europe. Serbs also could be among the “Arabs” because we seized the Apppenines from two sides – from Africa and from Europe. Serbs could be in both armies.

From Russia with love!

Slavs are funny liars. Serbs just like Macedonians (Slavo-Bulgars) who stole Macedonian/Greek history are doing the same to Albanian history. Unlike Serbs Albanians don't have to make up their history. Slavs came to Balkans at the end of 6th century and beginning of the 7th century. When they came they were only Slavs not Serbs, Croats, etc.

Joni : [link](1448) Hungarians should celebrate it too… MAHHH…


It’s a great book Joni but the battle of 1389 is mentioned there as a Russian event. It was a religious war long before Islam broke away from the Orthodox church and long before the first Turks or any other nations appeared. It was a war inside the Ruricovici dynasty that already controlled Eurasia and Africa. So their battles happened everywhere the two sides met each other. Be it the battle against Tohtamish in 1372 on Volga or the greatest Kulikovo battle of 1380 in Moscow or Kosovo battle of 1389 or the battle of Angora/Ankara in 1402. The war ended in 1415 with the famous standing on the Ugra river when the White Horde (Apostolic Christianity) finally took the upper hand. The so called First Christians (posecuted) also known as the PAGANS lost the war. The two armies were united under the Whites/Albanians and went to restore order/horde in their European colonies that stopped to pay money during the civil war in the metropole. The battle of 1448 could be one of the last battles of the famous Reconquista. The Horde stopped in Spain and established there the famous church of St.James where on the outside wall you can still see the map of Europe with 9 swords entering where the main states of the continents were. By the way Hungarians were Albanians because they always been within the troops of the Whites.

This conflict over monuments is really silly and nonsense like many other ones indeed.

both Haradinaj and Vulin are like spoiled kids and just have no tact. Typical Balkan idiots. They really want to deny others of any history or participation in it, instead of finding a common ground to incite some cooperation between the 2 people. There is plenty of common ground. Many Albanians participated in that battle, Serbs must recognize that just like the Albanians must recognize that it was primarily a Serbian effort.

Beyond that, who cares Albanians destroyed 24 Ottoman armies under Scanderbeg, all alone while Serbs were submitted. There is plenty of monuments to build and celebrate those victories for the Albanians ....

Giorgos Kastrioti sounds Greek to me
(Jugoslavija, 29 June 2016 16:41)

It's Kastriotovic; and like Jesus Christovic, he was a Serb.

To be fair, Albanians did fight at the Battle of Kosovo with Serbs, Hungarians, Bosnians, Vlachs, Croats, and Italians. But no one other than Serbs ever bothered to commemorate the battle in any meaningful way so it's more than a little curious that Haradinaj is mentioning this now. Again to be fair, he's not denying Serbs were there, but he somehow seems to want to note Albanian presence. That's fine but I think this is little more than a publicity stunt on his part to get people like Vulin to make the predictable reactions.

Still, if Albanians want a monument, they can erect one along with all the other weird and gawdy monuments they currently have to their instant oatmeal history in Pristina. The Gazemestan complex is roped off by the Ahtisaari Plan as a protected Serbian cultural heritage site.

Srbs in the Balkan are like Arabs used to be in Spain.
(delon, 29 June 2016 15:44)

Albanians in the Balkans are like Mexicans used to be before Spain.

P.S. Half Serbian half Arber, Muz, remember. Forget about Hoxha's academics' brainstorming, Kastrioti was one of Serbs' closest allies, never fought against Serbs, couldn't fight against his own mother's blood even if he wanted to. One of Europe's dozens of nobles, otherwise. Of course, Pope's moles used, abused, and betrayed him. Born and died as an Ortho, though, found his own spiritual guide before death. Maybe of Greek origins.....Skenderbeu ;) You belong to Tiranas Lepa Brena's fans generation Muz, right? That's why you're here, right? I don't......

Jugos, best case scenario Greek, worst case scenario half Serbian half Arber, Vojsava & Ivan's son ;)

The only history in Kosovo is Albanian and Roman.
(eric, 29 June 2016 14:55)

The only history in Kosovo is Roman, Byzantine, Serbian, and Turkish. Albanians have a few scraps in Prizren, the Bill Clinton statue, and the garbage strewn roadside KLA terrorist graves.

come on go to Siberia is plenty of land to fit all of serbia and fake macedonians in there. Lets talk about the 6th century, ups there were no serbs/slavs. Serbs have no idea where they come from in todays society because they are brainwashed. But looking at past history all serbs did was invade, kill, war, genocide, murder, religious fanatics, barbarians, uncivilized people.

Slavs are funny liars. Serbs just like Macedonians (Slavo-Bulgars) who stole Macedonian/Greek history are doing the same to Albanian history. Unlike Serbs Albanians don't have to make up their history. Slavs came to Balkans at the end of 6th century and beginning of the 7th century. When they came they were only Slavs not Serbs, Croats, etc.
(Avni, 29 June 2016 21:08)

Yes, Macedonian name and history is Hellenic but Albanian history is purely Turkish and Nomadic Asiatic.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Kosovo_(1448)

Hungarians should celebrate it too… MAHHH…

Serbia has celebrated their loss for 630 years. Albanian has neither celebrated the battle, nor the loss for 630 years. This alone tells you who's history it really is.
(factman, 30 June 2016 02:07)

Most of the world does not celebrate losses, but winning so Albanians did not see need to celebrate it, just like UK does not celebrate upcoming any battles lost in nor Russia, nor Germany etc.

Just wondering why does not Serbia celebrate Operation Storm as well that was just 11 years ago?

You fought you lost, have fun make a party, but dont blame others for not celebrating their losses.

Muz, it was Dryhmes not you who wrote on this site some touching rhymes on Macedonia's discriminated Ortho Albos who have been obliged through the centuries to declare themselves as Slavs. You & other Albos remained silent because Albos need to be part of Gruevski's government Muz...I recently read that Montenegro's academics are saying that Albos in Montenegro are in fact either migrants from Albania or albanized Slavs, Muz, and I'm surprised to read Albos tweeting on Montenenegrins being their best allies, Muz. NATO allies, Muz, Milo's pennies are sweet, my dearest Muz. I've already read the Austrian Schmitt and I already ordered Plasari's book, Muz, and you should have sensed that Muz, before misspelling here continuously Orthos' names.

Serbia also lost to the Nazi's and Austro-Hungary while Albania joined them.
(Jugoslavija, 30 June 2016 16:43)

Albania did not join the Tripartite Pact with Germany, Italy and Japan. That's a pure lie.

But Yugoslavia did join the tripartite pact with Germany, Italy and Japan without firing a shot and when it was not under Nazi occupation. If it had done it under Nedic's puppet government under Nazi occupation, it would have meant nothing since Nedic was a puppet. But Yugoslavia did it when it was not under Nazi occupation. Great example of cowardice!

The simple and firmly established historical FACT is that Vulin is (probably for the first time in his life) correct and accurate. There were NO Albanians in Kosovo until the 15th century - none whatsoever - and only a few smithers here and there between 15th and 17th century. It was only a massive and systematic campaign of ethnic cleansing by the invading Ottomans that allowed throngs of loyal Albanians from Albania proper to settle in the area. In fact, even then the area remained fairly balanced between the Christian (Serb) and Moslem (Albanian/Turkish) population. It wasn't until the mid-19th century that the Albanians settled in significant enough numbers to become majority in some parts of the Serbian province.

This is why there are NO - none - zero - nil - Albanians cultural, historical or religious monuments in Kosovo older than 15th Century (other than those imported many decades after the fact), no medieval votive locations, no necropolae, no mosques, no traces of any Albanian literacy or literature and definitely no signs of any ethnic, scientific or demographic Albanian presence in Kosovo preceding 15th century.

So bereft was the territory of any Albanian presence until well into the 19th century, that they even lacked the proper term for the lands they took away from the Serbs, the only indigenous natives in Kosovo. To this day, they use the Serbian toponym for the province -- because they still haven't been able to come up with one of their own.

Albanians did fight against the Ottomans at Kosovo Polje.

Serbs should not seek to deny this. It is true.

That said, Albanians should not seek to make this more than it is. The Albanian segment was not great in numbers. This was a Serb-led military battle where Serbs already knew what the outcome would be. Serbs were given the ultimatum from the ottomans, not Albanians. Serbs were the Empire the Ottomans wanted to crush, not Albanians.

Salute the Albanians who fought valiantly there, but be serious and don't try to hijack the pivotal moment of Serbia's history as your own.

Serbia has celebrated their loss for 630 years. Albanian has neither celebrated the battle, nor the loss for 630 years. This alone tells you who's history it really is.


A number of British citizenry fought in the American Revolution against the Tories. And what? This is now a British revolution? Many French fought with the Americans too. Ad what this was a French revolution?

Silly thinking.

Uhhh… moreee roteeee…
How could I bring down what have you wrote?
I take a 4 days holiday – I'm relaxed – I feel positive – the water is wonderful – a little bit cold - I have nothing against Russians – I want peaceee in worlddd. He he he.
I don't need bad energia – so I'm not often here.
Greetings from Drimadhes Albania!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KDxJlW6cxRk

"This was Vulin's reaction to Alliance for the Future of Kosovo leader Ramush Haradinaj's initiative "to build a monument at Gazimestan to the Albanians who died in the Battle of Kosovo."

Haradinaj made this suggestion on June 28, as Serbia was marking Vidovdan (St. Vitus Day). There is already a monument at Gazimestan, near Pristina, one dedicated to the Serbian medieval state's soldiers who died in the Battle of Kosovo, fought on Vidovdan, in 1389, against the invading Ottoman Turks.

In his reaction, Vulin remarked that "those who have no history of their own as a rule attempt to hijack that which belongs to others.""

It sounds like this Vulin guy has some reading and comprehension challenges. Haradinaj proposed a monument to the Albanians, not a monument to the Serbs. So I have no idea what "hijack" Vulin is talking about, unless he considers Serbs to be Albanians!

Can somebody remind me The doctrine of Cosic? That's exactly what the history of Serbia is.
(Tony Pocesta, 30 June 2016 01:56)

Can someone remind me of the doctrine of Ante Pavelic alive and well in Croatia-no other history exists of Croatia other than Austro-Hungary and Yugoslavia

Serbia has a history all of a sudden?! LOL :)
What do you have? Please count your historical monuments and let's compare. I will give you one simple math equation:

Old Orthodox churches in the Albanian village of Voskopoja = 2 x Old Serb churches in Serbia and Kosovo together

Just one Albanian village has twice more history than the entire Serbian nation! And I didn't start talking about other monuments because a few Orthodox churches is all you have :)
Of course only Serbs would be silly enough to pick a history "fight" with one of the oldest nations in Europe :) When they don't have anything themselves they attack using the same words everyone says about Serbs :)

Can somebody remind me The doctrine of Cosic? That's exactly what the history of Serbia is.

Serbs can't have history on Illyrian lands. Your history might be Siberia. The only history in Kosovo is Albanian and Roman.
(eric, 29 June 2016 14:55)

As Albos claim to have occupied that region since pre history, show us what have you left that can be claimed as evidence. Remember no imaginary stuff or stories of Albo churches in Kosovo taken by Serbs but real evidence.

This should be good LOL.

Anyone who wants to know about Kosovo battle should read: "Early reports of victory and defeat" by prof. Thomas A. Emmert.
Enjoy reading it!

You fought you lost, have fun make a party, but dont blame others for not celebrating their losses.
(Gjakova, 30 June 2016 13:15)

Serbia also lost to the Nazi's and Austro-Hungary while Albania joined them.

Jugoslavija : Yes, Macedonian name and history is Hellenic but Albanian history is purely Turkish and Nomadic Asiatic.


How do you know all that? Can you tell us a medieval or an ancient source where it is written? There are Russian books of 16 century telling that Alexander controlled Western Syberia. What Greeks could beat Russians and reach Tumen or Tomsk ?

Also Russian Cossacks were nomads because they had 2-3 horses each. But horse needs 3 times more of grass than a cow so they had to change their places often. This is why the Ottomans never afforded big cavalry. They were lacking fields of grass and wheat. So they had to develop “new army” known as Janissary.

As for the Shqiptars they must have been formed during the Ottomans but it’s just a suggestion coz there’s no evidence or artefacts that prove it. Using word Albanian in the context is incorrect. At least you will have to explain who and why called an American state Albany or why the British Islands were called MISTY ALBION.

Finally stop mixing words Ottomans and Turks. The empire stopped to exist in 1918 only. Turks is an artificial nation that appeared together with the Turkish language in between 1923-1942. Mustafa Kemal hated the Ottomans. He was a poor Muslim and alcoholic. To know all these you don’t need any special version of history. Just stop dancing in the crowd.

@ Drymades
Do you speak Russian language? Have you been to Russia? Why you speak Serbian?

Can the albo trolls answer one simple question. If you were the brave warriors who fought off the Turks and not the Serbs why is your nation 90% muslim..?

Yugoslavia did join the tripartite pact with Germany, Italy and Japan without firing a shot and when it was not under Nazi occupation.
-- icj1

** THIS SIGNED AGREEMENT LASTED 2 DAYS BEFORE IT WAS TORN TO PIECES.

** 46 DAYS AFTER THAT SERBIA FORMED THE FIRST RESISTANCE MOVEMENT IN EUROPE AGAINST THE NAZI'S

** NEDIC NEVER DECLARED WAR ON AMERICA, UK, OR THE ALLIES. ALBANIA DID.

** YUGOSLAVIA CONTRIBUTED MATERIALLY TO THE ALLIED CAUSE AND WAS GREATLY REWARDED. ALBANIA DID NOT... NOR WAS IT REWARDED. IN FACT IT'S DECLARAtion of war against the USA stood until the 90'S :) lol

** BELGRADE WAS BOMBED TO OBLIVION 6 DAYS AFTER TEARING UP THE SIGNED PACT. 20,000 PEOPLE DID ON THAT EASTER SUNDAY MORNING.

** YOU WANT TO KNOW WHO RESISTED AND WAS NOT A COWARD? IF YOUR CAPITAL CITIES WERE NOT BOMBED, THEN CLEARLY YOU RESISTED.

** IF YOUR CITIES WERE NOT BOMBED THEN CLEARLY YOU WERE A COWARD.

** PLEASE ATTEMPT TO DISPROVE THIS...

.... AND BY TEH WAY... YOU ARE A GREAT DEMAGOGUE.

A few words in Russian, the cyrillic alphabet, and a few greetings, that's all I know, Skenderbeu. Never watched the film on Skenderbeu, the one produced by Russians. Never been to Russia. I don't speak Srpski either, unfortunately, but I do know the lyrics of a couple of songs in Srpski. Very nice people the Serbs, don't you think?

Albania joined them and then Dushan Mugosha & Miladin Popovic founded the Alb Communist Party, Jugos. Albania's antifascist movement owes much of its success to you, Yugoslavians. Vojo Kushi, Branko Kadija, Ivo Jovanov, Vasil Shanto, Vojin Dragovic, Petar Bulatovic, Jordan Misja, Xoxi Martini, they all belonged to Skadar's Serb-Montenegrin minority, Jugos.Established the first anti-fascist organization in Albania, Jugos. Fought and died in Albania and for Albania, Jugos. Kosovo Albos also played a crucial role in Albania's antifascist movement. Feel free to invoke a curse on yourselves, Jugos dear ;)

icj1,

A few days ago you used the collapse of world markets and their currencies as evidence to support your view about Brexit.

I waited patiently knowing that markets and currencies would rebound and overcome the shrill responses by people like you and profited nicely). :) LOL

Therefore I would like to propose to all that icj1 = Chief Economist
:) LOL

His command of economics, markets, currencies, et al is unparralled on this site. LOL :)

May you please give us some enlightenment today. I want to make sure I by contrarian stock to what you teach us. LOL :)

Laughing all the way to the bank

Hey factman - I used the same facts that you used in response to our friend icj on an earlier thread. His response was to cut and paste my words out of context to change the meaning of my post then ran away without answering the questions I posed to him/her. This should tell you a little something about the character of our friend icj, or lack thereof.