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Tuesday, 29.03.2016.

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PM: Izetbegovic wants excuse to start "spiral of violence"

Serbian Prime Minister Aleksandar Vucic has said that Bakir Izetbegovic is looking for an excuse to start a new spiral of violence.

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icj1

pre 8 godina

That's totally immaterial what others do. You do the right thing for your own good and coscience, not to please others. If, say, Croatia stopped sending criminals to jail, will Serbia also do the same because that's what Croatia is doing?!
(icj1, 30 March 2016 13:25)
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When everyone else is playing by their own rules and you are expected to play by the rules they set for you do you honestly think that sticking to what they set out for you is good for you?
You would have to be suicidal to continue to play by the rules which only apply to you.
Best way to discourage patriotism is to punish your own patriots.
(Peggy, 31 March 2016 00:10)

Sure, if your suggestion is for Serbia to become a lawless country because another country does that, that is Serbia's choice. It sounds idiotic to me that Serbia would be a slave to another country's decisions, but hey... if that's what you suggest that's OK.

I Surrender

pre 8 godina

No more comments from anyone. Let's just let icj1 dish out the wisdom since his/her IQ level is way above anyone else trying to contribute to the forum. I'm in awe of icj's political punditry,the brash ability to put down anyone he/she feels is beneath his/her knowledge of international jurisprudence,and the remarkable inability to feel embarrassment whilst performing all this lecturing. Truly amazing.

Peggy

pre 8 godina

That's totally immaterial what others do. You do the right thing for your own good and coscience, not to please others. If, say, Croatia stopped sending criminals to jail, will Serbia also do the same because that's what Croatia is doing?!
(icj1, 30 March 2016 13:25)
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When everyone else is playing by their own rules and you are expected to play by the rules they set for you do you honestly think that sticking to what they set out for you is good for you?
You would have to be suicidal to continue to play by the rules which only apply to you.
Best way to discourage patriotism is to punish your own patriots.

icj1

pre 8 godina

icj1, sweetie, please, the US and UK have not ratified it as they are the ones starting wars of aggression. How very convenient for Bush and Blair!

Please, stop sprinkling sugar on your bulls**t. Nobody wants your version of cupcakes.
(Lie detector, 30 March 2016 15:44)

Well, the quote from rt.com said "ICC still hasn’t amended its Rome statute to allow 'wars of aggression' to fall under its jurisdiction." and I provided the evidence with reference that is a pure lie. Since you are now changing topic, that confirms that you understand as well that rt.com lied (which is no suprise, btw).

Now regarding your new topic about who has or hasn't ratified the Rome Statute, using your logic:

"Lie detector, sweetie, please, Russia has not ratified it as they are the ones starting wars of aggression. How very convenient for Putin"

It looks like you went far beyond the propaganda instructions that you were given for your IQ level and it backfired lol

Jugoslavija

pre 8 godina

Not every post can cover the whole of the Balkans tragegy; for that we would each have to write several volumes. As for Jugoslavija's comments about Siladzic and Turkey, I have no idea whatsoever what he/she is talking about and what in my post could have sparked him/her off.
(ned taylor, 30 March 2016 10:02)

There is no reconciliation, no Serb wants to be ruled by Bosnian Islamic Muslim Terrorists and eventually Sharia law-never! What is a so called "Bosnian" Siladzic doing advising the Turkish Government! The United States of America is currently ruled by a closet Muslim and his policies reflect it.

Dwight

pre 8 godina

Neil Clark

(Zoran, 30 March 2016 10:59)

Now you are recommending the bbc, you were laughing at them in your other post, which is it?

Neil Clark "Make no mistake: Karadzic’s crimes were horrific and he deserves to be punished severely for what he did. But....".

This is correct in my opinion and I believe that there are many on all sides who should be in prison.
There is a difference between correctly wanting non-Serbs to be punished for their parts and incorrectly excusing Serbs from being be punished for their part.
When Karadzic was convicted last week there was way too much of the latter compared to the former.
However, as with Neil Clark, in Serbia there is always a "but" when it comes to non-Western Crimes.
I doubt any of Neil Clark's many articles condemning USA say "but the Russians/Communists/Chinese/other did worse"

I know it is not an exact comparison but when US-supported Pinochet went on trial I wonder did Neil Clark write an article saying how it is good that is but when are the opponents who fought him going to be put on trial, they killed people too.

MOre non-Serb war criminals will go free than Serb war-criminals, that is what happens when you lose a war. Stalin murdered millions, USA killed over 100,000 in Japan but neither were punished.

Lie detector

pre 8 godina

icj1, sweetie, please, the US and UK have not ratified it as they are the ones starting wars of aggression. How very convenient for Bush and Blair!

Please, stop sprinkling sugar on your bulls**t. Nobody wants your version of cupcakes.

icj1

pre 8 godina

Part of the problem regarding the indictment of western leaders has been that the ICC still hasn’t amended its Rome statute to allow 'wars of aggression' to fall under its jurisdiction.

How very convenient for Bush
(Zoran, 29 March 2016 20:34)

That's a very idiotic article you quoted dear, which is not a surprise since it's coming from rt.com and is designed for sale to the Russian populace which is ready to buy that idiotic stuff.

The Rome Statute has already been amended to include the crime of aggression, but your dear Serbia has not ratified that amendment :) How is that Bush's fault?!!!

Only rt.com can come up with such idiotic articles that don't stand even the most basic scrutiny!
(icj1, 29 March 2016 22:17)

icj1, sweetie, you can't simply sprinkle sugar on your BullS**t to make a cupcake. As usual you have no references except your imagination.
(Lie detector, 30 March 2016 10:52)

Very amusing! Check the official reference below (instead of some blog or rt.com) showing the amemndment and let me know if you see Serbia among the list of countries that have ratified it.

https://treaties.un.org/Pages/ViewDetails.aspx?src=TREATY&mtdsg_no=XVIII-10-b&chapter=18&lang=en

Great job in making yourself a fool; feel free now to go back to the cave you cam from :)

icj1

pre 8 godina

Reconciliation was thrown out the window when the one-sided NATO court was set-up.
(Zoran, 30 March 2016 12:59)

It appears Russia is not aware of that since it approved the court and continues to approve the judges. Make sure to give a call to Putin to let him know your concerns :)
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What we Serbs see is that everything is blamed on us
(Zoran, 30 March 2016 12:59)

It's not the Serbs that have been on trial; it's a few criminals for their individual crimes. Not sure why you want to criminalize Serbs as a nation for the crimes of some individuals!
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Even if we admitted everything, do you really believe the other side will start doing the same?
(Zoran, 30 March 2016 12:59)

That's totally immaterial what others do. You do the right thing for your own good and coscience, not to please others. If, say, Croatia stopped sending criminals to jail, will Serbia also do the same because that's what Croatia is doing?!

Zoran

pre 8 godina

I made it very clear that this reconciliation is not just a process for the Serbs but requires participation by everyone but the momentum has to come from somewhere so why not from Vucic?
(ned taylor, 30 March 2016 10:02)
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Ned, the message I think is to stop deluding yourself. There is no attempt or momentum for reconciliation, even if one speaks of it. Reconciliation was thrown out the window when the one-sided NATO court was set-up. What we Serbs see is that everything is blamed on us while the other side are somehow innocent and their criminals walk free.

Even if we admitted everything, do you really believe the other side will start doing the same? It would just be another excuse to demonise us further. So in case you didn't understand the first time, please, give it break already!

Lie detector

pre 8 godina

icj1, sweetie, you can't simply sprinkle sugar on your BullS**t to make a cupcake. As usual you have no references except your imagination.

Zoran

pre 8 godina

Neil Clark is a journalist, writer, broadcaster and blogger. He has written for many newspapers and magazines in the UK and other countries including The Guardian, Morning Star, Daily and Sunday Express, Mail on Sunday, Daily Mail, Daily Telegraph, New Statesman, The Spectator, The Week, and The American Conservative. He is a regular pundit on RT and has also appeared on BBC TV and radio, Sky News, Press TV and the Voice of Russia. He is the co-founder of the Campaign For Public Ownership @PublicOwnership. His award winning blog can be found at www.neilclark66.blogspot.com. He tweets on politics and world affairs @NeilClark66

Check -> https://www.rt.com/op-edge/337290-radovan-karadzic-punishment-neocons

ned taylor

pre 8 godina

No Ari, Serbs, notably those in Government, are supposed to condemn Karadzic's activities because a) Vucic is saying that he wants peace and reconciliation and b) because doing the right thing is not dependent on others but only yourself. I made it very clear that this reconciliation is not just a process for the Serbs but requires participation by everyone but the momentum has to come from somewhere so why not from Vucic? At no point either in my post or at any other time have I suggested that only Serbs were guilty and that those who committed crimes against them should not be brought to justice. This article was about comments made by the Prime Minister and that is where my focus was. Not every post can cover the whole of the Balkans tragegy; for that we would each have to write several volumes. As for Jugoslavija's comments about Siladzic and Turkey, I have no idea whatsoever what he/she is talking about and what in my post could have sparked him/her off.

Jugoslavija

pre 8 godina

Hilary Clinton who is trying to get elected based on lying to the American people along with her war criminal husband. The American people would be disgraced knowing that a Clinton Statue stands in Kosovo along with the Islamic KLA Terrorist Adem Jasheri who not only slaughtered Serbian and Albanian civilians but used his own family and children using them as shields.These same lies were woven by the Bosnian Turk Muslim criminal government of Izetbegovic, Ganic and Siladzic.

The Tall Tale of Tuzla

Hillary Clinton's Bosnian misadventure should disqualify her from the presidency, but the airport landing is the least of it.

Yet Sen. Clinton, given repeated chances to modify her absurd claim to have operated under fire while in the company of her then-16-year-old daughter and a USO entertainment troupe, kept up a stone-faced and self-loving insistence that, yes, she had exposed herself to sniper fire in the cause of gaining moral credit and, perhaps to be banked for the future, national-security "experience." This must mean either a) that she lies without conscience or reflection; or b) that she is subject to fantasies of an illusory past; or c) both of the above. Any of the foregoing would constitute a disqualification for the presidency of the United States.http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/fighting_words/2008/03/the_tall_tale_of_tuzla.html

icj1

pre 8 godina

Part of the problem regarding the indictment of western leaders has been that the ICC still hasn’t amended its Rome statute to allow 'wars of aggression' to fall under its jurisdiction.

How very convenient for Bush
(Zoran, 29 March 2016 20:34)

That's a very idiotic article you quoted dear, which is not a surprise since it's coming from rt.com and is designed for sale to the Russian populace which is ready to but that idiotic stuff.

1. Bush has nothing to do with the Rome statute as the US is not a state party so it's not Bush's fault for something being written or not written in the Rome Statute. If anything, ask Serbia about that since Serbia is a state party.

2. The Rome Statute has already been amended to include the crime of aggression, but your dear Serbia has not ratified that amendment :) How is that Bush's fault?!!!

Only rt.com can come up with such idiotic articles that don't stand even the most basic scrutiny!

Jugoslavija

pre 8 godina

93 Million Americans are either on food stamps, below the poverty line or unemployed. Meanwhile, the United States spend billions on NATO, supporting criminal bombings in the former Yugoslavia, Syria, Libya and directly and indirectly supporting Islamic Radical Muslim Terrorism.



Trump: Bombing of Serbia was a great mistake!
Donald Trump with Larry King on the occasion of the anniversary of the bombing of Serbia criticized Bill Clinton and criminal attack on Serbs, the ally of America in both wars.

- The Clintons have made a mess in the Balkans and Kosovo. Look what we did to Serbia in an aerial bombardment from a safe height. Those same Serbs rescued American pilots in World War II.

It is a mistake that we bombed a nation that has been our ally in two world wars. Clintons believe that was a success, and I find it shameful.
I extend an apology to all the Serbs for the error of American policy, primarily Clinton’s. We need allies in fight against Islamic terrorism who have combat experience fighting this evil - and that in Europe are the Russians and the Serbs.

If I become the head of America the foreign policy will change the course that has until now often been wrong. "http://newswatchreport.com/item/228551_donald-trump-it-was-a-great-mistake-to-bomb-the-serbs-who-were-our-allies-in-both-world-wars

Jugoslavija

pre 8 godina

War criminal become Erdogan new adviser
image: http://edge.liveleak.com/80281E/u/u/ll2/attention.gif
Part of channel(s): Syria (current event)

Haris Silajdzic, a Bosnian Muslim politician from the Federation of Bosnia and Herzegovina and former member of the Presidency of Bosnia and Herzegovina. He was right hand man of war criminal alija izedbegovic (creator and writer of islamic declaration, book that support crimes against all non muslims and those who aren't "good" muslims), and later his son bakir.

Also, alija izedbegovic was very good "friend" of ex usa president bill clinton.

After the war he became a fierce critic of the Dayton system, arguing for the abolition of the Republika Srpska.

There are doubts that the war in Bosnia and Herzegovina was aware of the murder and torture of Serbian and Croatian civilians in Sarajevo and that after the conclusion of the Dayton Agreement worked to cover up evidence of crimes against Serbs and Croats in Bosnia and Herzegovina.

Haris Silajdzic of the representatives of the Southeast Europe Expert Team for the fight against terrorism and organized crime indicted for supporting and helping the Wahhabis and radical muslims.
Read more at http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=c86_1439419584#WPPZOBPFi31CrwsZ.99

Jugoslavija

pre 8 godina

(ned taylor, 29 March 2016 10:57)

Haris Siladzic is a perfect example of a Turk now a member of Erdogan's government, so you know where you can stick your so called "Bosniak" nationality. http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=c86_1439419584

Zoran

pre 8 godina

The NATO court is not there for reconciliation and neither is the ICC. It is a political tool used by western criminals.

https://www.rt.com/op-edge/337290-radovan-karadzic-punishment-neocons

"When I asked Carla Del Ponte why NATO crimes were not being considered by the court, she replied that what I was after was "perfect justice". But in fact what I was after was that everyone - be they Bosnian Serbs or leaders of the world’s most powerful military alliance - should be treated equally under the law.

The International Criminal Court has been just as biased as the ICTY. Overall it has indicted 36 people so far, and all of them have been black Africans. White war criminals (so long as they’re not Serbs, of course) don’t really have to worry.

Part of the problem regarding the indictment of western leaders has been that the ICC still hasn’t amended its Rome statute to allow ‘wars of aggression’ to fall under its jurisdiction. So what the International Military tribunal at Nuremburg declared in its judgement to be ‘the supreme international crime’ cannot be investigated.

How very convenient for Bush and Blair!

What we’ve got now is a system of international justice whereby those who commit war crimes are prosecuted - if they are ‘official enemies’ of the US - but the people who start the wars in the first and caused the death of millions by starting wars of aggression remain free to accumulate more wealth and push for fresh military conflicts."

Zoran

pre 8 godina

or instance, just the other day, I saw that you senior editors are receiving death threats. Sad.
(Nenad, 29 March 2016 17:46)
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LOL! Yes, it must be so difficult working under such circumstances. Yet, I'm sure you haven't forgotten -> http://www.globalresearch.ca/amnesty-warns-nato-1999-bombing-of-radio-and-television-of-serbia-rts-is-a-war-crime/13348

But I'm sure you have an excuse for that also.

roberto

pre 8 godina

I really wish that the Bosnian govt would show some backbone for once and go through with this genocide suit. So called reconciliation based on lies and genocide is just garbage. Sometimes you have to rock the boat. Bosnia's current political situation is utterly untenable, based on a cease fire agreement (Dayton) and an unwillingness to look honestly at the past, together with constant threats from fascist hack Dodik and co. It isn't working, to say the least.

Ari Gold

pre 8 godina

(ned taylor, 29 March 2016 10:57)

Serbs are not going to outright condemn anything so long as those who murdered Serb civilians are freely walking the streets. The individuals who have been accused of war crimes by a biased court have all been handed over, expecting anything more is really wishful thinking.

Serbs west of the Drina river had every right to establish their own institutions to protect their survival, something they did not have during the Nazi state of Croatia. We are talking about the outright condemnation of RS when Croatia's ethnic cleansing of a quarter million Serbs is seen as legitimate by Nazis like you. Alija Izetbegovic oversaw the cleansing of 100,000 Serbs from Sarajevo.

But those aren't war crimes because it happened to Serbs, or even worse they say that the Serbs cleansed themselves. So no one is held responsible. Right, and Serbs are supposed to outright condemn so Ned the bigot can be satisfied.

ned taylor

pre 8 godina

Nenad: I would prefer to engage in a proper respectful debate about the issue with Grobar rather than read an American Jewish catchphrase that fails to rebut any of the points I made. I haven't posted for a while so Grobar is either confusing me with someone else or feeling particularly irritable today.

Nenad

pre 8 godina

Ned, G-1 is always irritable.

B92, in fairness, I should amend my earlier comment. I do understand why only the Serb side of any story can ever be found on this site nowadays...and I know it hasn't always been this way. I, and surely many others, are appreciative of the pressures that you and other media organizations face in the current climate. For instance, just the other day, I saw that you senior editors are receiving death threats. Sad.

Comm. Parrisson

pre 8 godina

Serbia's response, he continued, is that "we want peace and sincere reconciliation above all, not lawsuits and revisions of lawsuits."

No, Mr. Vucic, you prefer revision of history instead. Maybe the first step would be to accept the ruling that Karadzic was one of the persons for the Srebrenica genocide you are still deny to call like that.

P.S: And naming a new student dorm after 'Dr. Radovan Karadzic', like it happened this month in Pale, is surely not a sign of reconciliation, don't you think?

Nenad

pre 8 godina

Ned, not that you would, but don't listen to Grobar1. Your contributions are just fine.

What bothers me about the whole genocide case are the allegations that Serbia suppressed crucial evidence. Heh, you'd surely never read much about that here.

There were also reports of Mladic holding regular consultations with senior defense officials in Belgrade prior to the massacre, as well as witness accounts of the presence of MUP and VJ units in the area at the time of the crime.

Not to mention the well established pattern of Milosevic running orders to the likes of Karadzic, Babic, Martic and Hadzic through middlemen like Stanisic.

If the proof is out there, let's find it.

Dwight

pre 8 godina

Election Season, need to get try to get some anti-NATO lackeys back on your side, so stir up a bit of nationalist hatred. Screw the consequences. All that matters is power.

ned taylor

pre 8 godina

Vucic might well want reconciliation but that requires outright condemnation of the role of Karadzic in the 1990s conflicts, something that many of his country folk and most of the 35% of Serbs in Bosnia are not prepared to do. Clearly there would need to be similar statements from other sides too. Whatever one thinks of Izetbegovic it is hard to believe that he has any intention beyond simply stirring things up. Other forms of 'violence' as Vucic puts it would only lead to a repeat of the 1990s war from which the country has yet to recover. I trust that Mr V will be equally scathing of the rubbish regularly spouted by Dodik for the sake of being even handed.

Dwight

pre 8 godina

Election Season, need to get try to get some anti-NATO lackeys back on your side, so stir up a bit of nationalist hatred. Screw the consequences. All that matters is power.

Ari Gold

pre 8 godina

(ned taylor, 29 March 2016 10:57)

Serbs are not going to outright condemn anything so long as those who murdered Serb civilians are freely walking the streets. The individuals who have been accused of war crimes by a biased court have all been handed over, expecting anything more is really wishful thinking.

Serbs west of the Drina river had every right to establish their own institutions to protect their survival, something they did not have during the Nazi state of Croatia. We are talking about the outright condemnation of RS when Croatia's ethnic cleansing of a quarter million Serbs is seen as legitimate by Nazis like you. Alija Izetbegovic oversaw the cleansing of 100,000 Serbs from Sarajevo.

But those aren't war crimes because it happened to Serbs, or even worse they say that the Serbs cleansed themselves. So no one is held responsible. Right, and Serbs are supposed to outright condemn so Ned the bigot can be satisfied.

Jugoslavija

pre 8 godina

(ned taylor, 29 March 2016 10:57)

Haris Siladzic is a perfect example of a Turk now a member of Erdogan's government, so you know where you can stick your so called "Bosniak" nationality. http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=c86_1439419584

Jugoslavija

pre 8 godina

War criminal become Erdogan new adviser
image: http://edge.liveleak.com/80281E/u/u/ll2/attention.gif
Part of channel(s): Syria (current event)

Haris Silajdzic, a Bosnian Muslim politician from the Federation of Bosnia and Herzegovina and former member of the Presidency of Bosnia and Herzegovina. He was right hand man of war criminal alija izedbegovic (creator and writer of islamic declaration, book that support crimes against all non muslims and those who aren't "good" muslims), and later his son bakir.

Also, alija izedbegovic was very good "friend" of ex usa president bill clinton.

After the war he became a fierce critic of the Dayton system, arguing for the abolition of the Republika Srpska.

There are doubts that the war in Bosnia and Herzegovina was aware of the murder and torture of Serbian and Croatian civilians in Sarajevo and that after the conclusion of the Dayton Agreement worked to cover up evidence of crimes against Serbs and Croats in Bosnia and Herzegovina.

Haris Silajdzic of the representatives of the Southeast Europe Expert Team for the fight against terrorism and organized crime indicted for supporting and helping the Wahhabis and radical muslims.
Read more at http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=c86_1439419584#WPPZOBPFi31CrwsZ.99

Comm. Parrisson

pre 8 godina

Serbia's response, he continued, is that "we want peace and sincere reconciliation above all, not lawsuits and revisions of lawsuits."

No, Mr. Vucic, you prefer revision of history instead. Maybe the first step would be to accept the ruling that Karadzic was one of the persons for the Srebrenica genocide you are still deny to call like that.

P.S: And naming a new student dorm after 'Dr. Radovan Karadzic', like it happened this month in Pale, is surely not a sign of reconciliation, don't you think?

Zoran

pre 8 godina

The NATO court is not there for reconciliation and neither is the ICC. It is a political tool used by western criminals.

https://www.rt.com/op-edge/337290-radovan-karadzic-punishment-neocons

"When I asked Carla Del Ponte why NATO crimes were not being considered by the court, she replied that what I was after was "perfect justice". But in fact what I was after was that everyone - be they Bosnian Serbs or leaders of the world’s most powerful military alliance - should be treated equally under the law.

The International Criminal Court has been just as biased as the ICTY. Overall it has indicted 36 people so far, and all of them have been black Africans. White war criminals (so long as they’re not Serbs, of course) don’t really have to worry.

Part of the problem regarding the indictment of western leaders has been that the ICC still hasn’t amended its Rome statute to allow ‘wars of aggression’ to fall under its jurisdiction. So what the International Military tribunal at Nuremburg declared in its judgement to be ‘the supreme international crime’ cannot be investigated.

How very convenient for Bush and Blair!

What we’ve got now is a system of international justice whereby those who commit war crimes are prosecuted - if they are ‘official enemies’ of the US - but the people who start the wars in the first and caused the death of millions by starting wars of aggression remain free to accumulate more wealth and push for fresh military conflicts."

ned taylor

pre 8 godina

Vucic might well want reconciliation but that requires outright condemnation of the role of Karadzic in the 1990s conflicts, something that many of his country folk and most of the 35% of Serbs in Bosnia are not prepared to do. Clearly there would need to be similar statements from other sides too. Whatever one thinks of Izetbegovic it is hard to believe that he has any intention beyond simply stirring things up. Other forms of 'violence' as Vucic puts it would only lead to a repeat of the 1990s war from which the country has yet to recover. I trust that Mr V will be equally scathing of the rubbish regularly spouted by Dodik for the sake of being even handed.

Nenad

pre 8 godina

Ned, not that you would, but don't listen to Grobar1. Your contributions are just fine.

What bothers me about the whole genocide case are the allegations that Serbia suppressed crucial evidence. Heh, you'd surely never read much about that here.

There were also reports of Mladic holding regular consultations with senior defense officials in Belgrade prior to the massacre, as well as witness accounts of the presence of MUP and VJ units in the area at the time of the crime.

Not to mention the well established pattern of Milosevic running orders to the likes of Karadzic, Babic, Martic and Hadzic through middlemen like Stanisic.

If the proof is out there, let's find it.

Zoran

pre 8 godina

or instance, just the other day, I saw that you senior editors are receiving death threats. Sad.
(Nenad, 29 March 2016 17:46)
--
LOL! Yes, it must be so difficult working under such circumstances. Yet, I'm sure you haven't forgotten -> http://www.globalresearch.ca/amnesty-warns-nato-1999-bombing-of-radio-and-television-of-serbia-rts-is-a-war-crime/13348

But I'm sure you have an excuse for that also.

Jugoslavija

pre 8 godina

Not every post can cover the whole of the Balkans tragegy; for that we would each have to write several volumes. As for Jugoslavija's comments about Siladzic and Turkey, I have no idea whatsoever what he/she is talking about and what in my post could have sparked him/her off.
(ned taylor, 30 March 2016 10:02)

There is no reconciliation, no Serb wants to be ruled by Bosnian Islamic Muslim Terrorists and eventually Sharia law-never! What is a so called "Bosnian" Siladzic doing advising the Turkish Government! The United States of America is currently ruled by a closet Muslim and his policies reflect it.

Jugoslavija

pre 8 godina

93 Million Americans are either on food stamps, below the poverty line or unemployed. Meanwhile, the United States spend billions on NATO, supporting criminal bombings in the former Yugoslavia, Syria, Libya and directly and indirectly supporting Islamic Radical Muslim Terrorism.



Trump: Bombing of Serbia was a great mistake!
Donald Trump with Larry King on the occasion of the anniversary of the bombing of Serbia criticized Bill Clinton and criminal attack on Serbs, the ally of America in both wars.

- The Clintons have made a mess in the Balkans and Kosovo. Look what we did to Serbia in an aerial bombardment from a safe height. Those same Serbs rescued American pilots in World War II.

It is a mistake that we bombed a nation that has been our ally in two world wars. Clintons believe that was a success, and I find it shameful.
I extend an apology to all the Serbs for the error of American policy, primarily Clinton’s. We need allies in fight against Islamic terrorism who have combat experience fighting this evil - and that in Europe are the Russians and the Serbs.

If I become the head of America the foreign policy will change the course that has until now often been wrong. "http://newswatchreport.com/item/228551_donald-trump-it-was-a-great-mistake-to-bomb-the-serbs-who-were-our-allies-in-both-world-wars

Lie detector

pre 8 godina

icj1, sweetie, please, the US and UK have not ratified it as they are the ones starting wars of aggression. How very convenient for Bush and Blair!

Please, stop sprinkling sugar on your bulls**t. Nobody wants your version of cupcakes.

Jugoslavija

pre 8 godina

Hilary Clinton who is trying to get elected based on lying to the American people along with her war criminal husband. The American people would be disgraced knowing that a Clinton Statue stands in Kosovo along with the Islamic KLA Terrorist Adem Jasheri who not only slaughtered Serbian and Albanian civilians but used his own family and children using them as shields.These same lies were woven by the Bosnian Turk Muslim criminal government of Izetbegovic, Ganic and Siladzic.

The Tall Tale of Tuzla

Hillary Clinton's Bosnian misadventure should disqualify her from the presidency, but the airport landing is the least of it.

Yet Sen. Clinton, given repeated chances to modify her absurd claim to have operated under fire while in the company of her then-16-year-old daughter and a USO entertainment troupe, kept up a stone-faced and self-loving insistence that, yes, she had exposed herself to sniper fire in the cause of gaining moral credit and, perhaps to be banked for the future, national-security "experience." This must mean either a) that she lies without conscience or reflection; or b) that she is subject to fantasies of an illusory past; or c) both of the above. Any of the foregoing would constitute a disqualification for the presidency of the United States.http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/fighting_words/2008/03/the_tall_tale_of_tuzla.html

Lie detector

pre 8 godina

icj1, sweetie, you can't simply sprinkle sugar on your BullS**t to make a cupcake. As usual you have no references except your imagination.

Zoran

pre 8 godina

I made it very clear that this reconciliation is not just a process for the Serbs but requires participation by everyone but the momentum has to come from somewhere so why not from Vucic?
(ned taylor, 30 March 2016 10:02)
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Ned, the message I think is to stop deluding yourself. There is no attempt or momentum for reconciliation, even if one speaks of it. Reconciliation was thrown out the window when the one-sided NATO court was set-up. What we Serbs see is that everything is blamed on us while the other side are somehow innocent and their criminals walk free.

Even if we admitted everything, do you really believe the other side will start doing the same? It would just be another excuse to demonise us further. So in case you didn't understand the first time, please, give it break already!

Zoran

pre 8 godina

Neil Clark is a journalist, writer, broadcaster and blogger. He has written for many newspapers and magazines in the UK and other countries including The Guardian, Morning Star, Daily and Sunday Express, Mail on Sunday, Daily Mail, Daily Telegraph, New Statesman, The Spectator, The Week, and The American Conservative. He is a regular pundit on RT and has also appeared on BBC TV and radio, Sky News, Press TV and the Voice of Russia. He is the co-founder of the Campaign For Public Ownership @PublicOwnership. His award winning blog can be found at www.neilclark66.blogspot.com. He tweets on politics and world affairs @NeilClark66

Check -> https://www.rt.com/op-edge/337290-radovan-karadzic-punishment-neocons

icj1

pre 8 godina

Reconciliation was thrown out the window when the one-sided NATO court was set-up.
(Zoran, 30 March 2016 12:59)

It appears Russia is not aware of that since it approved the court and continues to approve the judges. Make sure to give a call to Putin to let him know your concerns :)
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What we Serbs see is that everything is blamed on us
(Zoran, 30 March 2016 12:59)

It's not the Serbs that have been on trial; it's a few criminals for their individual crimes. Not sure why you want to criminalize Serbs as a nation for the crimes of some individuals!
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Even if we admitted everything, do you really believe the other side will start doing the same?
(Zoran, 30 March 2016 12:59)

That's totally immaterial what others do. You do the right thing for your own good and coscience, not to please others. If, say, Croatia stopped sending criminals to jail, will Serbia also do the same because that's what Croatia is doing?!

icj1

pre 8 godina

Part of the problem regarding the indictment of western leaders has been that the ICC still hasn’t amended its Rome statute to allow 'wars of aggression' to fall under its jurisdiction.

How very convenient for Bush
(Zoran, 29 March 2016 20:34)

That's a very idiotic article you quoted dear, which is not a surprise since it's coming from rt.com and is designed for sale to the Russian populace which is ready to buy that idiotic stuff.

The Rome Statute has already been amended to include the crime of aggression, but your dear Serbia has not ratified that amendment :) How is that Bush's fault?!!!

Only rt.com can come up with such idiotic articles that don't stand even the most basic scrutiny!
(icj1, 29 March 2016 22:17)

icj1, sweetie, you can't simply sprinkle sugar on your BullS**t to make a cupcake. As usual you have no references except your imagination.
(Lie detector, 30 March 2016 10:52)

Very amusing! Check the official reference below (instead of some blog or rt.com) showing the amemndment and let me know if you see Serbia among the list of countries that have ratified it.

https://treaties.un.org/Pages/ViewDetails.aspx?src=TREATY&mtdsg_no=XVIII-10-b&chapter=18&lang=en

Great job in making yourself a fool; feel free now to go back to the cave you cam from :)

Peggy

pre 8 godina

That's totally immaterial what others do. You do the right thing for your own good and coscience, not to please others. If, say, Croatia stopped sending criminals to jail, will Serbia also do the same because that's what Croatia is doing?!
(icj1, 30 March 2016 13:25)
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When everyone else is playing by their own rules and you are expected to play by the rules they set for you do you honestly think that sticking to what they set out for you is good for you?
You would have to be suicidal to continue to play by the rules which only apply to you.
Best way to discourage patriotism is to punish your own patriots.

I Surrender

pre 8 godina

No more comments from anyone. Let's just let icj1 dish out the wisdom since his/her IQ level is way above anyone else trying to contribute to the forum. I'm in awe of icj's political punditry,the brash ability to put down anyone he/she feels is beneath his/her knowledge of international jurisprudence,and the remarkable inability to feel embarrassment whilst performing all this lecturing. Truly amazing.

ned taylor

pre 8 godina

Nenad: I would prefer to engage in a proper respectful debate about the issue with Grobar rather than read an American Jewish catchphrase that fails to rebut any of the points I made. I haven't posted for a while so Grobar is either confusing me with someone else or feeling particularly irritable today.

roberto

pre 8 godina

I really wish that the Bosnian govt would show some backbone for once and go through with this genocide suit. So called reconciliation based on lies and genocide is just garbage. Sometimes you have to rock the boat. Bosnia's current political situation is utterly untenable, based on a cease fire agreement (Dayton) and an unwillingness to look honestly at the past, together with constant threats from fascist hack Dodik and co. It isn't working, to say the least.

icj1

pre 8 godina

Part of the problem regarding the indictment of western leaders has been that the ICC still hasn’t amended its Rome statute to allow 'wars of aggression' to fall under its jurisdiction.

How very convenient for Bush
(Zoran, 29 March 2016 20:34)

That's a very idiotic article you quoted dear, which is not a surprise since it's coming from rt.com and is designed for sale to the Russian populace which is ready to but that idiotic stuff.

1. Bush has nothing to do with the Rome statute as the US is not a state party so it's not Bush's fault for something being written or not written in the Rome Statute. If anything, ask Serbia about that since Serbia is a state party.

2. The Rome Statute has already been amended to include the crime of aggression, but your dear Serbia has not ratified that amendment :) How is that Bush's fault?!!!

Only rt.com can come up with such idiotic articles that don't stand even the most basic scrutiny!

Dwight

pre 8 godina

Neil Clark

(Zoran, 30 March 2016 10:59)

Now you are recommending the bbc, you were laughing at them in your other post, which is it?

Neil Clark "Make no mistake: Karadzic’s crimes were horrific and he deserves to be punished severely for what he did. But....".

This is correct in my opinion and I believe that there are many on all sides who should be in prison.
There is a difference between correctly wanting non-Serbs to be punished for their parts and incorrectly excusing Serbs from being be punished for their part.
When Karadzic was convicted last week there was way too much of the latter compared to the former.
However, as with Neil Clark, in Serbia there is always a "but" when it comes to non-Western Crimes.
I doubt any of Neil Clark's many articles condemning USA say "but the Russians/Communists/Chinese/other did worse"

I know it is not an exact comparison but when US-supported Pinochet went on trial I wonder did Neil Clark write an article saying how it is good that is but when are the opponents who fought him going to be put on trial, they killed people too.

MOre non-Serb war criminals will go free than Serb war-criminals, that is what happens when you lose a war. Stalin murdered millions, USA killed over 100,000 in Japan but neither were punished.

ned taylor

pre 8 godina

No Ari, Serbs, notably those in Government, are supposed to condemn Karadzic's activities because a) Vucic is saying that he wants peace and reconciliation and b) because doing the right thing is not dependent on others but only yourself. I made it very clear that this reconciliation is not just a process for the Serbs but requires participation by everyone but the momentum has to come from somewhere so why not from Vucic? At no point either in my post or at any other time have I suggested that only Serbs were guilty and that those who committed crimes against them should not be brought to justice. This article was about comments made by the Prime Minister and that is where my focus was. Not every post can cover the whole of the Balkans tragegy; for that we would each have to write several volumes. As for Jugoslavija's comments about Siladzic and Turkey, I have no idea whatsoever what he/she is talking about and what in my post could have sparked him/her off.

icj1

pre 8 godina

icj1, sweetie, please, the US and UK have not ratified it as they are the ones starting wars of aggression. How very convenient for Bush and Blair!

Please, stop sprinkling sugar on your bulls**t. Nobody wants your version of cupcakes.
(Lie detector, 30 March 2016 15:44)

Well, the quote from rt.com said "ICC still hasn’t amended its Rome statute to allow 'wars of aggression' to fall under its jurisdiction." and I provided the evidence with reference that is a pure lie. Since you are now changing topic, that confirms that you understand as well that rt.com lied (which is no suprise, btw).

Now regarding your new topic about who has or hasn't ratified the Rome Statute, using your logic:

"Lie detector, sweetie, please, Russia has not ratified it as they are the ones starting wars of aggression. How very convenient for Putin"

It looks like you went far beyond the propaganda instructions that you were given for your IQ level and it backfired lol

Nenad

pre 8 godina

Ned, G-1 is always irritable.

B92, in fairness, I should amend my earlier comment. I do understand why only the Serb side of any story can ever be found on this site nowadays...and I know it hasn't always been this way. I, and surely many others, are appreciative of the pressures that you and other media organizations face in the current climate. For instance, just the other day, I saw that you senior editors are receiving death threats. Sad.

icj1

pre 8 godina

That's totally immaterial what others do. You do the right thing for your own good and coscience, not to please others. If, say, Croatia stopped sending criminals to jail, will Serbia also do the same because that's what Croatia is doing?!
(icj1, 30 March 2016 13:25)
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When everyone else is playing by their own rules and you are expected to play by the rules they set for you do you honestly think that sticking to what they set out for you is good for you?
You would have to be suicidal to continue to play by the rules which only apply to you.
Best way to discourage patriotism is to punish your own patriots.
(Peggy, 31 March 2016 00:10)

Sure, if your suggestion is for Serbia to become a lawless country because another country does that, that is Serbia's choice. It sounds idiotic to me that Serbia would be a slave to another country's decisions, but hey... if that's what you suggest that's OK.

ned taylor

pre 8 godina

Vucic might well want reconciliation but that requires outright condemnation of the role of Karadzic in the 1990s conflicts, something that many of his country folk and most of the 35% of Serbs in Bosnia are not prepared to do. Clearly there would need to be similar statements from other sides too. Whatever one thinks of Izetbegovic it is hard to believe that he has any intention beyond simply stirring things up. Other forms of 'violence' as Vucic puts it would only lead to a repeat of the 1990s war from which the country has yet to recover. I trust that Mr V will be equally scathing of the rubbish regularly spouted by Dodik for the sake of being even handed.

Nenad

pre 8 godina

Ned, not that you would, but don't listen to Grobar1. Your contributions are just fine.

What bothers me about the whole genocide case are the allegations that Serbia suppressed crucial evidence. Heh, you'd surely never read much about that here.

There were also reports of Mladic holding regular consultations with senior defense officials in Belgrade prior to the massacre, as well as witness accounts of the presence of MUP and VJ units in the area at the time of the crime.

Not to mention the well established pattern of Milosevic running orders to the likes of Karadzic, Babic, Martic and Hadzic through middlemen like Stanisic.

If the proof is out there, let's find it.

Comm. Parrisson

pre 8 godina

Serbia's response, he continued, is that "we want peace and sincere reconciliation above all, not lawsuits and revisions of lawsuits."

No, Mr. Vucic, you prefer revision of history instead. Maybe the first step would be to accept the ruling that Karadzic was one of the persons for the Srebrenica genocide you are still deny to call like that.

P.S: And naming a new student dorm after 'Dr. Radovan Karadzic', like it happened this month in Pale, is surely not a sign of reconciliation, don't you think?

roberto

pre 8 godina

I really wish that the Bosnian govt would show some backbone for once and go through with this genocide suit. So called reconciliation based on lies and genocide is just garbage. Sometimes you have to rock the boat. Bosnia's current political situation is utterly untenable, based on a cease fire agreement (Dayton) and an unwillingness to look honestly at the past, together with constant threats from fascist hack Dodik and co. It isn't working, to say the least.

ned taylor

pre 8 godina

Nenad: I would prefer to engage in a proper respectful debate about the issue with Grobar rather than read an American Jewish catchphrase that fails to rebut any of the points I made. I haven't posted for a while so Grobar is either confusing me with someone else or feeling particularly irritable today.

Nenad

pre 8 godina

Ned, G-1 is always irritable.

B92, in fairness, I should amend my earlier comment. I do understand why only the Serb side of any story can ever be found on this site nowadays...and I know it hasn't always been this way. I, and surely many others, are appreciative of the pressures that you and other media organizations face in the current climate. For instance, just the other day, I saw that you senior editors are receiving death threats. Sad.

icj1

pre 8 godina

Part of the problem regarding the indictment of western leaders has been that the ICC still hasn’t amended its Rome statute to allow 'wars of aggression' to fall under its jurisdiction.

How very convenient for Bush
(Zoran, 29 March 2016 20:34)

That's a very idiotic article you quoted dear, which is not a surprise since it's coming from rt.com and is designed for sale to the Russian populace which is ready to buy that idiotic stuff.

The Rome Statute has already been amended to include the crime of aggression, but your dear Serbia has not ratified that amendment :) How is that Bush's fault?!!!

Only rt.com can come up with such idiotic articles that don't stand even the most basic scrutiny!
(icj1, 29 March 2016 22:17)

icj1, sweetie, you can't simply sprinkle sugar on your BullS**t to make a cupcake. As usual you have no references except your imagination.
(Lie detector, 30 March 2016 10:52)

Very amusing! Check the official reference below (instead of some blog or rt.com) showing the amemndment and let me know if you see Serbia among the list of countries that have ratified it.

https://treaties.un.org/Pages/ViewDetails.aspx?src=TREATY&mtdsg_no=XVIII-10-b&chapter=18&lang=en

Great job in making yourself a fool; feel free now to go back to the cave you cam from :)

icj1

pre 8 godina

icj1, sweetie, please, the US and UK have not ratified it as they are the ones starting wars of aggression. How very convenient for Bush and Blair!

Please, stop sprinkling sugar on your bulls**t. Nobody wants your version of cupcakes.
(Lie detector, 30 March 2016 15:44)

Well, the quote from rt.com said "ICC still hasn’t amended its Rome statute to allow 'wars of aggression' to fall under its jurisdiction." and I provided the evidence with reference that is a pure lie. Since you are now changing topic, that confirms that you understand as well that rt.com lied (which is no suprise, btw).

Now regarding your new topic about who has or hasn't ratified the Rome Statute, using your logic:

"Lie detector, sweetie, please, Russia has not ratified it as they are the ones starting wars of aggression. How very convenient for Putin"

It looks like you went far beyond the propaganda instructions that you were given for your IQ level and it backfired lol

Ari Gold

pre 8 godina

(ned taylor, 29 March 2016 10:57)

Serbs are not going to outright condemn anything so long as those who murdered Serb civilians are freely walking the streets. The individuals who have been accused of war crimes by a biased court have all been handed over, expecting anything more is really wishful thinking.

Serbs west of the Drina river had every right to establish their own institutions to protect their survival, something they did not have during the Nazi state of Croatia. We are talking about the outright condemnation of RS when Croatia's ethnic cleansing of a quarter million Serbs is seen as legitimate by Nazis like you. Alija Izetbegovic oversaw the cleansing of 100,000 Serbs from Sarajevo.

But those aren't war crimes because it happened to Serbs, or even worse they say that the Serbs cleansed themselves. So no one is held responsible. Right, and Serbs are supposed to outright condemn so Ned the bigot can be satisfied.

Zoran

pre 8 godina

The NATO court is not there for reconciliation and neither is the ICC. It is a political tool used by western criminals.

https://www.rt.com/op-edge/337290-radovan-karadzic-punishment-neocons

"When I asked Carla Del Ponte why NATO crimes were not being considered by the court, she replied that what I was after was "perfect justice". But in fact what I was after was that everyone - be they Bosnian Serbs or leaders of the world’s most powerful military alliance - should be treated equally under the law.

The International Criminal Court has been just as biased as the ICTY. Overall it has indicted 36 people so far, and all of them have been black Africans. White war criminals (so long as they’re not Serbs, of course) don’t really have to worry.

Part of the problem regarding the indictment of western leaders has been that the ICC still hasn’t amended its Rome statute to allow ‘wars of aggression’ to fall under its jurisdiction. So what the International Military tribunal at Nuremburg declared in its judgement to be ‘the supreme international crime’ cannot be investigated.

How very convenient for Bush and Blair!

What we’ve got now is a system of international justice whereby those who commit war crimes are prosecuted - if they are ‘official enemies’ of the US - but the people who start the wars in the first and caused the death of millions by starting wars of aggression remain free to accumulate more wealth and push for fresh military conflicts."

icj1

pre 8 godina

Part of the problem regarding the indictment of western leaders has been that the ICC still hasn’t amended its Rome statute to allow 'wars of aggression' to fall under its jurisdiction.

How very convenient for Bush
(Zoran, 29 March 2016 20:34)

That's a very idiotic article you quoted dear, which is not a surprise since it's coming from rt.com and is designed for sale to the Russian populace which is ready to but that idiotic stuff.

1. Bush has nothing to do with the Rome statute as the US is not a state party so it's not Bush's fault for something being written or not written in the Rome Statute. If anything, ask Serbia about that since Serbia is a state party.

2. The Rome Statute has already been amended to include the crime of aggression, but your dear Serbia has not ratified that amendment :) How is that Bush's fault?!!!

Only rt.com can come up with such idiotic articles that don't stand even the most basic scrutiny!

Zoran

pre 8 godina

or instance, just the other day, I saw that you senior editors are receiving death threats. Sad.
(Nenad, 29 March 2016 17:46)
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LOL! Yes, it must be so difficult working under such circumstances. Yet, I'm sure you haven't forgotten -> http://www.globalresearch.ca/amnesty-warns-nato-1999-bombing-of-radio-and-television-of-serbia-rts-is-a-war-crime/13348

But I'm sure you have an excuse for that also.

Jugoslavija

pre 8 godina

War criminal become Erdogan new adviser
image: http://edge.liveleak.com/80281E/u/u/ll2/attention.gif
Part of channel(s): Syria (current event)

Haris Silajdzic, a Bosnian Muslim politician from the Federation of Bosnia and Herzegovina and former member of the Presidency of Bosnia and Herzegovina. He was right hand man of war criminal alija izedbegovic (creator and writer of islamic declaration, book that support crimes against all non muslims and those who aren't "good" muslims), and later his son bakir.

Also, alija izedbegovic was very good "friend" of ex usa president bill clinton.

After the war he became a fierce critic of the Dayton system, arguing for the abolition of the Republika Srpska.

There are doubts that the war in Bosnia and Herzegovina was aware of the murder and torture of Serbian and Croatian civilians in Sarajevo and that after the conclusion of the Dayton Agreement worked to cover up evidence of crimes against Serbs and Croats in Bosnia and Herzegovina.

Haris Silajdzic of the representatives of the Southeast Europe Expert Team for the fight against terrorism and organized crime indicted for supporting and helping the Wahhabis and radical muslims.
Read more at http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=c86_1439419584#WPPZOBPFi31CrwsZ.99

Jugoslavija

pre 8 godina

93 Million Americans are either on food stamps, below the poverty line or unemployed. Meanwhile, the United States spend billions on NATO, supporting criminal bombings in the former Yugoslavia, Syria, Libya and directly and indirectly supporting Islamic Radical Muslim Terrorism.



Trump: Bombing of Serbia was a great mistake!
Donald Trump with Larry King on the occasion of the anniversary of the bombing of Serbia criticized Bill Clinton and criminal attack on Serbs, the ally of America in both wars.

- The Clintons have made a mess in the Balkans and Kosovo. Look what we did to Serbia in an aerial bombardment from a safe height. Those same Serbs rescued American pilots in World War II.

It is a mistake that we bombed a nation that has been our ally in two world wars. Clintons believe that was a success, and I find it shameful.
I extend an apology to all the Serbs for the error of American policy, primarily Clinton’s. We need allies in fight against Islamic terrorism who have combat experience fighting this evil - and that in Europe are the Russians and the Serbs.

If I become the head of America the foreign policy will change the course that has until now often been wrong. "http://newswatchreport.com/item/228551_donald-trump-it-was-a-great-mistake-to-bomb-the-serbs-who-were-our-allies-in-both-world-wars

Jugoslavija

pre 8 godina

Hilary Clinton who is trying to get elected based on lying to the American people along with her war criminal husband. The American people would be disgraced knowing that a Clinton Statue stands in Kosovo along with the Islamic KLA Terrorist Adem Jasheri who not only slaughtered Serbian and Albanian civilians but used his own family and children using them as shields.These same lies were woven by the Bosnian Turk Muslim criminal government of Izetbegovic, Ganic and Siladzic.

The Tall Tale of Tuzla

Hillary Clinton's Bosnian misadventure should disqualify her from the presidency, but the airport landing is the least of it.

Yet Sen. Clinton, given repeated chances to modify her absurd claim to have operated under fire while in the company of her then-16-year-old daughter and a USO entertainment troupe, kept up a stone-faced and self-loving insistence that, yes, she had exposed herself to sniper fire in the cause of gaining moral credit and, perhaps to be banked for the future, national-security "experience." This must mean either a) that she lies without conscience or reflection; or b) that she is subject to fantasies of an illusory past; or c) both of the above. Any of the foregoing would constitute a disqualification for the presidency of the United States.http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/fighting_words/2008/03/the_tall_tale_of_tuzla.html

icj1

pre 8 godina

Reconciliation was thrown out the window when the one-sided NATO court was set-up.
(Zoran, 30 March 2016 12:59)

It appears Russia is not aware of that since it approved the court and continues to approve the judges. Make sure to give a call to Putin to let him know your concerns :)
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What we Serbs see is that everything is blamed on us
(Zoran, 30 March 2016 12:59)

It's not the Serbs that have been on trial; it's a few criminals for their individual crimes. Not sure why you want to criminalize Serbs as a nation for the crimes of some individuals!
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Even if we admitted everything, do you really believe the other side will start doing the same?
(Zoran, 30 March 2016 12:59)

That's totally immaterial what others do. You do the right thing for your own good and coscience, not to please others. If, say, Croatia stopped sending criminals to jail, will Serbia also do the same because that's what Croatia is doing?!

Dwight

pre 8 godina

Election Season, need to get try to get some anti-NATO lackeys back on your side, so stir up a bit of nationalist hatred. Screw the consequences. All that matters is power.

Jugoslavija

pre 8 godina

(ned taylor, 29 March 2016 10:57)

Haris Siladzic is a perfect example of a Turk now a member of Erdogan's government, so you know where you can stick your so called "Bosniak" nationality. http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=c86_1439419584

Lie detector

pre 8 godina

icj1, sweetie, you can't simply sprinkle sugar on your BullS**t to make a cupcake. As usual you have no references except your imagination.

Zoran

pre 8 godina

I made it very clear that this reconciliation is not just a process for the Serbs but requires participation by everyone but the momentum has to come from somewhere so why not from Vucic?
(ned taylor, 30 March 2016 10:02)
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Ned, the message I think is to stop deluding yourself. There is no attempt or momentum for reconciliation, even if one speaks of it. Reconciliation was thrown out the window when the one-sided NATO court was set-up. What we Serbs see is that everything is blamed on us while the other side are somehow innocent and their criminals walk free.

Even if we admitted everything, do you really believe the other side will start doing the same? It would just be another excuse to demonise us further. So in case you didn't understand the first time, please, give it break already!

Dwight

pre 8 godina

Neil Clark

(Zoran, 30 March 2016 10:59)

Now you are recommending the bbc, you were laughing at them in your other post, which is it?

Neil Clark "Make no mistake: Karadzic’s crimes were horrific and he deserves to be punished severely for what he did. But....".

This is correct in my opinion and I believe that there are many on all sides who should be in prison.
There is a difference between correctly wanting non-Serbs to be punished for their parts and incorrectly excusing Serbs from being be punished for their part.
When Karadzic was convicted last week there was way too much of the latter compared to the former.
However, as with Neil Clark, in Serbia there is always a "but" when it comes to non-Western Crimes.
I doubt any of Neil Clark's many articles condemning USA say "but the Russians/Communists/Chinese/other did worse"

I know it is not an exact comparison but when US-supported Pinochet went on trial I wonder did Neil Clark write an article saying how it is good that is but when are the opponents who fought him going to be put on trial, they killed people too.

MOre non-Serb war criminals will go free than Serb war-criminals, that is what happens when you lose a war. Stalin murdered millions, USA killed over 100,000 in Japan but neither were punished.

Jugoslavija

pre 8 godina

Not every post can cover the whole of the Balkans tragegy; for that we would each have to write several volumes. As for Jugoslavija's comments about Siladzic and Turkey, I have no idea whatsoever what he/she is talking about and what in my post could have sparked him/her off.
(ned taylor, 30 March 2016 10:02)

There is no reconciliation, no Serb wants to be ruled by Bosnian Islamic Muslim Terrorists and eventually Sharia law-never! What is a so called "Bosnian" Siladzic doing advising the Turkish Government! The United States of America is currently ruled by a closet Muslim and his policies reflect it.

ned taylor

pre 8 godina

No Ari, Serbs, notably those in Government, are supposed to condemn Karadzic's activities because a) Vucic is saying that he wants peace and reconciliation and b) because doing the right thing is not dependent on others but only yourself. I made it very clear that this reconciliation is not just a process for the Serbs but requires participation by everyone but the momentum has to come from somewhere so why not from Vucic? At no point either in my post or at any other time have I suggested that only Serbs were guilty and that those who committed crimes against them should not be brought to justice. This article was about comments made by the Prime Minister and that is where my focus was. Not every post can cover the whole of the Balkans tragegy; for that we would each have to write several volumes. As for Jugoslavija's comments about Siladzic and Turkey, I have no idea whatsoever what he/she is talking about and what in my post could have sparked him/her off.

Zoran

pre 8 godina

Neil Clark is a journalist, writer, broadcaster and blogger. He has written for many newspapers and magazines in the UK and other countries including The Guardian, Morning Star, Daily and Sunday Express, Mail on Sunday, Daily Mail, Daily Telegraph, New Statesman, The Spectator, The Week, and The American Conservative. He is a regular pundit on RT and has also appeared on BBC TV and radio, Sky News, Press TV and the Voice of Russia. He is the co-founder of the Campaign For Public Ownership @PublicOwnership. His award winning blog can be found at www.neilclark66.blogspot.com. He tweets on politics and world affairs @NeilClark66

Check -> https://www.rt.com/op-edge/337290-radovan-karadzic-punishment-neocons

Lie detector

pre 8 godina

icj1, sweetie, please, the US and UK have not ratified it as they are the ones starting wars of aggression. How very convenient for Bush and Blair!

Please, stop sprinkling sugar on your bulls**t. Nobody wants your version of cupcakes.

icj1

pre 8 godina

That's totally immaterial what others do. You do the right thing for your own good and coscience, not to please others. If, say, Croatia stopped sending criminals to jail, will Serbia also do the same because that's what Croatia is doing?!
(icj1, 30 March 2016 13:25)
===…==
When everyone else is playing by their own rules and you are expected to play by the rules they set for you do you honestly think that sticking to what they set out for you is good for you?
You would have to be suicidal to continue to play by the rules which only apply to you.
Best way to discourage patriotism is to punish your own patriots.
(Peggy, 31 March 2016 00:10)

Sure, if your suggestion is for Serbia to become a lawless country because another country does that, that is Serbia's choice. It sounds idiotic to me that Serbia would be a slave to another country's decisions, but hey... if that's what you suggest that's OK.

Peggy

pre 8 godina

That's totally immaterial what others do. You do the right thing for your own good and coscience, not to please others. If, say, Croatia stopped sending criminals to jail, will Serbia also do the same because that's what Croatia is doing?!
(icj1, 30 March 2016 13:25)
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When everyone else is playing by their own rules and you are expected to play by the rules they set for you do you honestly think that sticking to what they set out for you is good for you?
You would have to be suicidal to continue to play by the rules which only apply to you.
Best way to discourage patriotism is to punish your own patriots.

I Surrender

pre 8 godina

No more comments from anyone. Let's just let icj1 dish out the wisdom since his/her IQ level is way above anyone else trying to contribute to the forum. I'm in awe of icj's political punditry,the brash ability to put down anyone he/she feels is beneath his/her knowledge of international jurisprudence,and the remarkable inability to feel embarrassment whilst performing all this lecturing. Truly amazing.