I note you reference globalresearch.ca, the biggest website for idiots in the world, next you will be saying that the Serbs killed civilians becasue of the chem trails sprayed by the Rothschilds.
(Dwight, 25 March 2016 14:31)
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That global research article has 76 listed references to other sources and you dismiss it outright? Should I be reading BBC and CNN instead as that fits more closely with your BS? LOL!
(Zoran, 27 March 2016 11:46)
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Anything that contradicts their propaganda outlets will always be called BS by these idiots.
As far as they're concerned no site which dares to touch on the truth will always be considered either paid off by Serbs or just plain BS so best not to even try.
Who cares what they think anyway? They are so irrelevant that we shouldn't waste our time trying to prove anything to them.
You are so melodramatic. Get over yourself, already.
Not trying to shut you up. You’re free to express yourself. You can post photos of yourself in your underwear on social media for all the world to see. Just don’t expect us to believe that some 60 some year old male who does this is working with a full deck. You're not credible.
"My response: It is just shocking, after all these years, that some wacko chetniks thinks nasty and inappropriate personal comments will shut us up. What kind of wackos are you?! You have no ethics or morals, just garbage in and garbage out. Any may I once again point out who publishes this garbage while censoring democracy dissidents and promoting fascism and racism. B-92, get a life!
(roberto,"
Roberta, telling that chetniks were fascists is stupid because facts tells differently. You repeat same old chauvinist mantar of bosnian muslims. It is you and people like you who dont have no moral.
That global research article has 76 listed references to other sources and you dismiss it outright? Should I be reading BBC and CNN instead as that fits more closely with your BS? LOL!
(Zoran, 27 March 2016 11:46)
Research would be so easy if its quality were to be measured by the number of footnote references!
Especially when some of those 76 references are pearls like serbiana.com... that really makes the "research" credible lol
A Land Where War Criminals Are Heroes
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(Avni, 25 March 2016 20:47)
If it would be only a land. No, it's the whole region, starting with Croatia, then go a bit more east to Bosnia, continue a bit more east in Serbia, and end a little bit to the south in Kosovo - all the same.
War criminals, extremists, mafia 'businessmen', fascists and Chetniks.
What is scary is that people are so brainwashed by the 'nationalists' that they consider persons who only cared for themselves and the well-being of their relatives ruined their countries economically and morally - and still they are seen as 'heroes'.
That global research article has 76 listed references to other sources and you dismiss it outright? Should I be reading BBC and CNN instead as that fits more closely with your BS? LOL!
(Zoran)
LOL you quote the guardian a comment on another article.
REad what you want buddy but just learn the difference between opinion and fact
This article is a classic denial, what is most notable is not what it includes but what it leaves out. That is, it cherry picks the facts...just like you
Political Convenience is a poor attempt to shift the blame. You would hold CLinton responsible becasue of one supposed sentence but would ignore 50xevidence to convict a Serb
"most of the Bosnian victims were fighters". The criteria used by the Serbs to determine if you were a fighter was being male. In that case Naser Oric must also be forgiven as most of those killed by him were also men. The Staro Gracko killings and many other crimes against Serbs would also then be justified. Even if every single person murdered in Srebn. was a fighter, most of those killed were unarmed POWs
Serbia lost the propoganda wr abroad but it won this at home.I think it is wrong to only mention one side of this war. THe article fails to mention Milosevic's war on his own people where they were continuously told that Serbs were victims
Serbia is not to blame for everthing but have some perspective. How can you criticize the KLA, Storm, Oric but excuse Vukovar hostital, Srebrenica etc.
"@ roberto
You judging others for their standards? It is really weird that you post photos of yourself wearing just your underwear on your Facebook page. Sicko. You have no credibility."
My response: It is just shocking, after all these years, that some wacko chetniks thinks nasty and inappropriate personal comments will shut us up. What kind of wackos are you?! You have no ethics or morals, just garbage in and garbage out. Any may I once again point out who publishes this garbage while censoring democracy dissidents and promoting fascism and racism. B-92, get a life!
“I read the record. This Croat in The Hague gave me the record. My lawyer could not get it. (He) says: 'This is worth 20,000 marks.'.'Well ...,' I said. I did not quite have it, nor did I consider this important, so I read the shorthand of what was said by whom”
Now that makes perfect sense: what did she read? A short hand version of a record she ‘did not have’ verified by some American in a book ‘what was the title?’ doesn’t matter, because this Croat and some American confirmed the record she never read except the abridged version as anyone can do: download ‘Conspiracies for Dumbies’. ( I love the ‘this is worth 20,000 marks’ which is of course what someone in the Hague would want as we all know BAM is such an internationally desirable currency.) Whose mind is lost? As she postures at her windmills in this vainglorious attempt to reposition herself from her confession in such a transparent prevarication but guilt like madness weaves its own logic.
I note you reference globalresearch.ca, the biggest website for idiots in the world, next you will be saying that the Serbs killed civilians becasue of the chem trails sprayed by the Rothschilds.
(Dwight, 25 March 2016 14:31)
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That global research article has 76 listed references to other sources and you dismiss it outright? Should I be reading BBC and CNN instead as that fits more closely with your BS? LOL!
Plavsic is one sick and racist war criminal, getting maximal coverage from the chetnik press. Why was she released from prison early, and not sent directly to a madhouse?! I despise fascists, but chetnik fascists are among the worst. And craziest. Thank you b-92 for your usual high standards.
How typical of serbs to try and blame their brutal crimes on albanians, croats, bosniaks, americans, europeans etc. Serbs on the other hand are sweet angels with halos over their heads.
As long as serbs view the likes of her as "heroes" I'm afraid there's no hope for this nation.
It's like the Nazi's at Nuremberg blaming others for what they did. The world is well informed about what plavisic role was during the war. Kissing criminal Arkans hand and encouraging the massacre of innocent Bosniaks. The butchers of the Balkans (Serbs) are a disgrace.
"Bosnian Muslim officials have claimed that their leader, Alija Izetbegovic, told them that Clinton had advised him that U.S. intervention would only occur if the Serbs killed at least 5,000 at Srebrenica."
(Zoran, 25 March 2016 10:56)
So you are saying that Mladic is an imbecile who was tricked into mass murdering civilians by a much smarter Izetbegovic.?
(Dwight, 25 March 2016 14:31)
I think our dear friend Zoran (and this rambling and confused old lady) are saying that Bill and Alija failed to understand that the Bosnian Serb Army was an army of savages, so it was an error for Bill and Alija to leave the Srebrenica civilians at the mercy of an army of savages! So the genocide committed was the fault of Bill and Alija, not the savages of the Bosnian Serb Army.
It's like leaving people at the mercy of wild animals. It's not the fault of the animals for killing those people (that's what wild animals normally do); it's the fault of those who left them at the mercy of the wild animals.
Very very interesting...Thanks Michael Thomas. I think everybody here is fed up with the BBC usual documentary being aired at least once a year, on any damned/blessed balcanic TV channel.
It may not have been Clinton, but Richard Holbrooke had a lot to do with it.
Why were the Dutch troops not supported when they asked numerous times for support? Or, why Nasar Oric air-lifted out before it wall went down?
Holbrooke needed a GALVANIZING INCIDENT in other to justify action (not unlike the Sarajevo Markale incident)
Of course, this incident was recreated by William Walker in Racak (Kosovo) years later.
Whether "Slippery Bill" knew or not is debatable, but with him anything is possible. He wasn't a very moral person.
Of course, this does not mean that Serbs were not culpable for despicable behavior (they were), and they should be punished for war crimes at the highest degree.
And of course, it also does not pretend to not see the several thousand retreating Bosnian Muslim troops who were ambushed in the forest by Serbs and died in a legitimate fire fight trying to escape.
Nice-guy Oric was to abandon his men. It really shows you how despicable he was.
If you think Serbs were the "Bad Guys, your map is really confused and you should not read B92, but rather get some Nursery Rhymes for children.
Now that this is out of the way, Serbs should let it go and concentrate of growing the economy and becoming the natural leader of the region.
This is according to the police chief of Srebrenica in 1995, bosnian muslim Hakija Meholjić, who have witnessed about this several times.
(Abe, 25 March 2016 12:41)
Very good point, Meholjic is one of the few Bosnian Muslim commanders who not only spoke the truth but was outraged when orders were received to retreat from Srebrinica. Nasir Oric withdrew most of his forces from the Srebrenica enclave.
Although Plavsic is probably correct in her assertions about Clinton she has credibility issues and is an embarrassment to Bosnian Serbs . She sold her soul to The Hague Tribunal prosecution in order to plea bargain her case to a lower prison term. She agreed with the prosecution that Bosnian Serbs alleged Genocide and now Clinton did? Disgraceful and that goes for the other Bosnian clowns Kraijnek who led the Serb Bosnian Parliament in Pale to reject the Vance Owen and Vance Stoltenberg plans. Without Milosevic to pressure these Bosnian Serbs, there would have been no Dayton Accord.
I get a good chuckle when guys like Grobar1 lob the "brainwashing" insult.
Yeah, not much credibility with the source - she plead guilty to war crimes, posed in photos with Arkan, called Muslims genetically inferior, even though they're not even an ethnicity and most nationalistic Serbs believe them to be mostly Serbian converts to Islam. And she's a professional biologist? I think something in her petri dish must have infected her brain at one time.
And even if Clinton were insane enough to stipulate a slaughter quota at Srebrenica in exchange for Western support, do you honestly think other Western politicians would have agreed? And with Serbs being such decent people, wouldn't Mladic, Karadzic, Krstic and others have opted for POW camps instead?
Think about this now...if you can muster the willingness...
There are 3 aspects about Srebrenica which are never discussed in western media or at the Kangaroo court in The Hague. 1.) Moslems who surrendered in the town all survived. This includes all the men. 2.) The Moslem army didn't surrender. It attacked the Bosnian Serb Army and broke through to the Moslem-controlled town of Tuzla. 500 Serbian soldiers were killed during this break-out. The number of Moslem solders killed in battle is unknown but was probably not fewer than 3000. These Moslems were killed in a fair battle and were not murdered. 3.) a strange mercenary unit called the 10th Sabotage Unit appeared among the Serbs. This Unit were all Croats, Slovenes, and Bosnia Moslems. They were also former. Members of the French Foreign Legion. There is some evidence that this mercenary Unit murdered several hundred Moslem soldiers who surrendered after failing to break through Serbian lines. There is a strong suspicion that this Unit of Croat, Slovene, and Moslem killers were working for NATO and that their job was to stage a "massacre" which NATO would use as an excuse for attacking the Serbs.
Those watching NATO TV in the west believe that Serbs entered the peaceful town of Srebrenica, separated the men (non of whom were soldiers) and murdered them in cold blood. This NATO version of events has zero basis in fact.
So you are saying that Mladic is an imbecile who was tricked into mass murdering civilians by a much smarter Izetbegovic.?
At least you are admitting that at least 5000 civilians were killed in Srebrenica. It is a small step but a good one.
Clinton saying he would not intervene in a war that had no big civilian casualties is now seen as him telling Izetbegovic to organise a slaughter of his own civilians.
You think Izetbegovic should have surrendered. Maybe he should have but here is an alternative, Serbs could have taken Srebrenica and then not murdered everyone.
Nationalist Serbs define themselves as Christians yet continue to make excuses for mass murder, rape and war crimes. You do know that you can be a proud Serb and also say that Mladic was scum?.
You don't have to swallow the Seselj/Milosevic bullshit
I note you reference globalresearch.ca, the biggest website for idiots in the world, next you will be saying that the Serbs killed civilians becasue of the chem trails sprayed by the Rothschilds.
"On Clinton's. Clinton said, 'America will enter on your, Muslim side in the war, we will bomb the Serbs if you allow the Chetniks to enter Srebrenica. And there must be no less than 5,000 massacred," said Plavsic.
So what? Even if this should be the truth, it's still the Serb troops and paramilitaries under Mladic, on order of Karacic, who deported, abducted, slaughtered and executed the 1000s of male Muslims in Srebrenica.
So THEY are to blame, and not any Clinton who might have said that, nor any Dutch UN peacekeeper who didn't prevent it. The world knows it, and it will always know and remember it - just like the world remembers the holocaust, which was commited b Germans, and not by any US president who didn't intervene right on time, and not by Churchhill with his appeasement politics after the big leader came to power, or anybody else.
Another case of a typical Serbian way of thinking - alway the others are to blame.
If you're going to give your side of the story, a rambling, incoherent, recollection of facts to a news portal partial to conspiracy theories isn't the way to do it. It's no secret Srebrenica was connected to outside coordination, but your argument is undermined if you sound more crazy than factual and only feeds the other side's contempt.
This is blaming others for your bloodthirsty Serbian paramilitary, sorry Serbs could have chosen not to commit the crime unless they were all insane. The generals in head were trained solders not some idiot of street they gave the order to commit Genocide as they thought they will never be cought. Stop blaming others : Slovenians Croats Albanians Americans ...... Germans ...... All at fault but innocent Serbs were tricked. When u point a finger three point back at you. Serbs need to reflect like Kum in other page to progressfrommedival ages
(Bilbao, 25 March 2016 11:47
To Balbao,
You are right!.Mladic stated that it was a payback or Revenge for the Bosnjaks killing his father in the World War 2,and the rest of his family. TWO wrong's don't make a right!! Serbi,Hrvati,Bosanjaki,Shqipire all need to admit to their killings and raping of innocent civilians,that had nothing to do with the war,and savagely killed by ALL side's!.
She is right. Bill Clinton and Alija Izetbegovic decided together to abandon Srebrenica. This is according to the police chief of Srebrenica in 1995, bosnian muslim Hakija Meholjić, who have witnessed about this several times.
This is blaming others for your bloodthirsty Serbian paramilitary, sorry Serbs could have chosen not to commit the crime unless they were all insane. The generals in head were trained solders not some idiot of street they gave the order to commit Genocide as they thought they will never be cought. Stop blaming others : Slovenians Croats Albanians Americans ...... Germans ...... All at fault but innocent Serbs were tricked. When u point a finger three point back at you. Serbs need to reflect like Kum in other page to progressfrommedival ages
How is Clinton to blame? The people who fired the bullets and those who gave the orders are to blame.
Lets imagine this, there is a fight between two groups of people in the street. Me and my friends are are also on the same street but we are not part of the fight as it isn't our fight. Me and my friends agree with one another that we'll intervene in the fight if it gets out of hand. The fight does eventually get out of hand after one man dies so me and my friends intervene and break up the fight. Are we to blame for the death of the man?
How is Clinton to blame?
(Haitian, 25 March 2016 10:20)
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You set up the fight, knowing that one side would destroy the other because you allowed them to kill their families over a period of time. You needed it to fulfil your agenda. You can read more about it here -> http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-politics-of-the-srebrenica-massacre/660
We can refer to this particular point, and lets not forget that it came from Bosnian Muslim politicians who heard it first hand.
"Bosnian Muslim officials have claimed that their leader, Alija Izetbegovic, told them that Clinton had advised him that U.S. intervention would only occur if the Serbs killed at least 5,000 at Srebrenica."
My God, how much there is to tell once the curtain falls, when the blindfolds are removed and the secret reports are released. I am referring to all of the wars in the former YU, the truth will come out.
There are people who believe that the CIA carried out 9/11 but its stupid to take those people seriously. So, the Chetniks, the word used in the article, knew of the US intentions, but went in to Srebrenica anyway and proceeded with mass murder regardless? Do the heavenly people enjoy being bombed or something?
What has been established by Dutch journalists last year from the Clinton Archives is that the US, the UK and France had a secret agreement to deny air support to Dutchbat that was stationed in Srebrenica. Dutchbat ask for air support 9 times and were refused except from some minor support when the assault was nearly over.
http://www.dutchnews.nl/news/archives/2015/06/srebrenica-airstrikes-cancelled-dutch-not-told/
http://www.france24.com/en/20150709-srebrenica-bosnia-muslims-dutch-UN-intelligence-france-clinton
There is enough evidence to show this was the case. History will be corrected sooner or later. Clinton, the proven liar, has a large role to play in Srebrenica.
There is enough evidence to show this was the case. History will be corrected sooner or later. Clinton, the proven liar, has a large role to play in Srebrenica.
There are 3 aspects about Srebrenica which are never discussed in western media or at the Kangaroo court in The Hague. 1.) Moslems who surrendered in the town all survived. This includes all the men. 2.) The Moslem army didn't surrender. It attacked the Bosnian Serb Army and broke through to the Moslem-controlled town of Tuzla. 500 Serbian soldiers were killed during this break-out. The number of Moslem solders killed in battle is unknown but was probably not fewer than 3000. These Moslems were killed in a fair battle and were not murdered. 3.) a strange mercenary unit called the 10th Sabotage Unit appeared among the Serbs. This Unit were all Croats, Slovenes, and Bosnia Moslems. They were also former. Members of the French Foreign Legion. There is some evidence that this mercenary Unit murdered several hundred Moslem soldiers who surrendered after failing to break through Serbian lines. There is a strong suspicion that this Unit of Croat, Slovene, and Moslem killers were working for NATO and that their job was to stage a "massacre" which NATO would use as an excuse for attacking the Serbs.
Those watching NATO TV in the west believe that Serbs entered the peaceful town of Srebrenica, separated the men (non of whom were soldiers) and murdered them in cold blood. This NATO version of events has zero basis in fact.
What has been established by Dutch journalists last year from the Clinton Archives is that the US, the UK and France had a secret agreement to deny air support to Dutchbat that was stationed in Srebrenica. Dutchbat ask for air support 9 times and were refused except from some minor support when the assault was nearly over.
http://www.dutchnews.nl/news/archives/2015/06/srebrenica-airstrikes-cancelled-dutch-not-told/
http://www.france24.com/en/20150709-srebrenica-bosnia-muslims-dutch-UN-intelligence-france-clinton
How is Clinton to blame?
(Haitian, 25 March 2016 10:20)
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You set up the fight, knowing that one side would destroy the other because you allowed them to kill their families over a period of time. You needed it to fulfil your agenda. You can read more about it here -> http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-politics-of-the-srebrenica-massacre/660
We can refer to this particular point, and lets not forget that it came from Bosnian Muslim politicians who heard it first hand.
"Bosnian Muslim officials have claimed that their leader, Alija Izetbegovic, told them that Clinton had advised him that U.S. intervention would only occur if the Serbs killed at least 5,000 at Srebrenica."
My God, how much there is to tell once the curtain falls, when the blindfolds are removed and the secret reports are released. I am referring to all of the wars in the former YU, the truth will come out.
She is right. Bill Clinton and Alija Izetbegovic decided together to abandon Srebrenica. This is according to the police chief of Srebrenica in 1995, bosnian muslim Hakija Meholjić, who have witnessed about this several times.
It may not have been Clinton, but Richard Holbrooke had a lot to do with it.
Why were the Dutch troops not supported when they asked numerous times for support? Or, why Nasar Oric air-lifted out before it wall went down?
Holbrooke needed a GALVANIZING INCIDENT in other to justify action (not unlike the Sarajevo Markale incident)
Of course, this incident was recreated by William Walker in Racak (Kosovo) years later.
Whether "Slippery Bill" knew or not is debatable, but with him anything is possible. He wasn't a very moral person.
Of course, this does not mean that Serbs were not culpable for despicable behavior (they were), and they should be punished for war crimes at the highest degree.
And of course, it also does not pretend to not see the several thousand retreating Bosnian Muslim troops who were ambushed in the forest by Serbs and died in a legitimate fire fight trying to escape.
Nice-guy Oric was to abandon his men. It really shows you how despicable he was.
If you think Serbs were the "Bad Guys, your map is really confused and you should not read B92, but rather get some Nursery Rhymes for children.
Now that this is out of the way, Serbs should let it go and concentrate of growing the economy and becoming the natural leader of the region.
How typical of serbs to try and blame their brutal crimes on albanians, croats, bosniaks, americans, europeans etc. Serbs on the other hand are sweet angels with halos over their heads.
As long as serbs view the likes of her as "heroes" I'm afraid there's no hope for this nation.
There are people who believe that the CIA carried out 9/11 but its stupid to take those people seriously. So, the Chetniks, the word used in the article, knew of the US intentions, but went in to Srebrenica anyway and proceeded with mass murder regardless? Do the heavenly people enjoy being bombed or something?
"On Clinton's. Clinton said, 'America will enter on your, Muslim side in the war, we will bomb the Serbs if you allow the Chetniks to enter Srebrenica. And there must be no less than 5,000 massacred," said Plavsic.
So what? Even if this should be the truth, it's still the Serb troops and paramilitaries under Mladic, on order of Karacic, who deported, abducted, slaughtered and executed the 1000s of male Muslims in Srebrenica.
So THEY are to blame, and not any Clinton who might have said that, nor any Dutch UN peacekeeper who didn't prevent it. The world knows it, and it will always know and remember it - just like the world remembers the holocaust, which was commited b Germans, and not by any US president who didn't intervene right on time, and not by Churchhill with his appeasement politics after the big leader came to power, or anybody else.
Another case of a typical Serbian way of thinking - alway the others are to blame.
This is according to the police chief of Srebrenica in 1995, bosnian muslim Hakija Meholjić, who have witnessed about this several times.
(Abe, 25 March 2016 12:41)
Very good point, Meholjic is one of the few Bosnian Muslim commanders who not only spoke the truth but was outraged when orders were received to retreat from Srebrinica. Nasir Oric withdrew most of his forces from the Srebrenica enclave.
"Bosnian Muslim officials have claimed that their leader, Alija Izetbegovic, told them that Clinton had advised him that U.S. intervention would only occur if the Serbs killed at least 5,000 at Srebrenica."
(Zoran, 25 March 2016 10:56)
So you are saying that Mladic is an imbecile who was tricked into mass murdering civilians by a much smarter Izetbegovic.?
(Dwight, 25 March 2016 14:31)
I think our dear friend Zoran (and this rambling and confused old lady) are saying that Bill and Alija failed to understand that the Bosnian Serb Army was an army of savages, so it was an error for Bill and Alija to leave the Srebrenica civilians at the mercy of an army of savages! So the genocide committed was the fault of Bill and Alija, not the savages of the Bosnian Serb Army.
It's like leaving people at the mercy of wild animals. It's not the fault of the animals for killing those people (that's what wild animals normally do); it's the fault of those who left them at the mercy of the wild animals.
How is Clinton to blame? The people who fired the bullets and those who gave the orders are to blame.
Lets imagine this, there is a fight between two groups of people in the street. Me and my friends are are also on the same street but we are not part of the fight as it isn't our fight. Me and my friends agree with one another that we'll intervene in the fight if it gets out of hand. The fight does eventually get out of hand after one man dies so me and my friends intervene and break up the fight. Are we to blame for the death of the man?
This is blaming others for your bloodthirsty Serbian paramilitary, sorry Serbs could have chosen not to commit the crime unless they were all insane. The generals in head were trained solders not some idiot of street they gave the order to commit Genocide as they thought they will never be cought. Stop blaming others : Slovenians Croats Albanians Americans ...... Germans ...... All at fault but innocent Serbs were tricked. When u point a finger three point back at you. Serbs need to reflect like Kum in other page to progressfrommedival ages
This is blaming others for your bloodthirsty Serbian paramilitary, sorry Serbs could have chosen not to commit the crime unless they were all insane. The generals in head were trained solders not some idiot of street they gave the order to commit Genocide as they thought they will never be cought. Stop blaming others : Slovenians Croats Albanians Americans ...... Germans ...... All at fault but innocent Serbs were tricked. When u point a finger three point back at you. Serbs need to reflect like Kum in other page to progressfrommedival ages
(Bilbao, 25 March 2016 11:47
To Balbao,
You are right!.Mladic stated that it was a payback or Revenge for the Bosnjaks killing his father in the World War 2,and the rest of his family. TWO wrong's don't make a right!! Serbi,Hrvati,Bosanjaki,Shqipire all need to admit to their killings and raping of innocent civilians,that had nothing to do with the war,and savagely killed by ALL side's!.
Although Plavsic is probably correct in her assertions about Clinton she has credibility issues and is an embarrassment to Bosnian Serbs . She sold her soul to The Hague Tribunal prosecution in order to plea bargain her case to a lower prison term. She agreed with the prosecution that Bosnian Serbs alleged Genocide and now Clinton did? Disgraceful and that goes for the other Bosnian clowns Kraijnek who led the Serb Bosnian Parliament in Pale to reject the Vance Owen and Vance Stoltenberg plans. Without Milosevic to pressure these Bosnian Serbs, there would have been no Dayton Accord.
So you are saying that Mladic is an imbecile who was tricked into mass murdering civilians by a much smarter Izetbegovic.?
At least you are admitting that at least 5000 civilians were killed in Srebrenica. It is a small step but a good one.
Clinton saying he would not intervene in a war that had no big civilian casualties is now seen as him telling Izetbegovic to organise a slaughter of his own civilians.
You think Izetbegovic should have surrendered. Maybe he should have but here is an alternative, Serbs could have taken Srebrenica and then not murdered everyone.
Nationalist Serbs define themselves as Christians yet continue to make excuses for mass murder, rape and war crimes. You do know that you can be a proud Serb and also say that Mladic was scum?.
You don't have to swallow the Seselj/Milosevic bullshit
I note you reference globalresearch.ca, the biggest website for idiots in the world, next you will be saying that the Serbs killed civilians becasue of the chem trails sprayed by the Rothschilds.
Very very interesting...Thanks Michael Thomas. I think everybody here is fed up with the BBC usual documentary being aired at least once a year, on any damned/blessed balcanic TV channel.
It's like the Nazi's at Nuremberg blaming others for what they did. The world is well informed about what plavisic role was during the war. Kissing criminal Arkans hand and encouraging the massacre of innocent Bosniaks. The butchers of the Balkans (Serbs) are a disgrace.
I get a good chuckle when guys like Grobar1 lob the "brainwashing" insult.
Yeah, not much credibility with the source - she plead guilty to war crimes, posed in photos with Arkan, called Muslims genetically inferior, even though they're not even an ethnicity and most nationalistic Serbs believe them to be mostly Serbian converts to Islam. And she's a professional biologist? I think something in her petri dish must have infected her brain at one time.
And even if Clinton were insane enough to stipulate a slaughter quota at Srebrenica in exchange for Western support, do you honestly think other Western politicians would have agreed? And with Serbs being such decent people, wouldn't Mladic, Karadzic, Krstic and others have opted for POW camps instead?
Think about this now...if you can muster the willingness...
Plavsic is one sick and racist war criminal, getting maximal coverage from the chetnik press. Why was she released from prison early, and not sent directly to a madhouse?! I despise fascists, but chetnik fascists are among the worst. And craziest. Thank you b-92 for your usual high standards.
If you're going to give your side of the story, a rambling, incoherent, recollection of facts to a news portal partial to conspiracy theories isn't the way to do it. It's no secret Srebrenica was connected to outside coordination, but your argument is undermined if you sound more crazy than factual and only feeds the other side's contempt.
That global research article has 76 listed references to other sources and you dismiss it outright? Should I be reading BBC and CNN instead as that fits more closely with your BS? LOL!
(Zoran)
LOL you quote the guardian a comment on another article.
REad what you want buddy but just learn the difference between opinion and fact
This article is a classic denial, what is most notable is not what it includes but what it leaves out. That is, it cherry picks the facts...just like you
Political Convenience is a poor attempt to shift the blame. You would hold CLinton responsible becasue of one supposed sentence but would ignore 50xevidence to convict a Serb
"most of the Bosnian victims were fighters". The criteria used by the Serbs to determine if you were a fighter was being male. In that case Naser Oric must also be forgiven as most of those killed by him were also men. The Staro Gracko killings and many other crimes against Serbs would also then be justified. Even if every single person murdered in Srebn. was a fighter, most of those killed were unarmed POWs
Serbia lost the propoganda wr abroad but it won this at home.I think it is wrong to only mention one side of this war. THe article fails to mention Milosevic's war on his own people where they were continuously told that Serbs were victims
Serbia is not to blame for everthing but have some perspective. How can you criticize the KLA, Storm, Oric but excuse Vukovar hostital, Srebrenica etc.
You are so melodramatic. Get over yourself, already.
Not trying to shut you up. You’re free to express yourself. You can post photos of yourself in your underwear on social media for all the world to see. Just don’t expect us to believe that some 60 some year old male who does this is working with a full deck. You're not credible.
I note you reference globalresearch.ca, the biggest website for idiots in the world, next you will be saying that the Serbs killed civilians becasue of the chem trails sprayed by the Rothschilds.
(Dwight, 25 March 2016 14:31)
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That global research article has 76 listed references to other sources and you dismiss it outright? Should I be reading BBC and CNN instead as that fits more closely with your BS? LOL!
"@ roberto
You judging others for their standards? It is really weird that you post photos of yourself wearing just your underwear on your Facebook page. Sicko. You have no credibility."
My response: It is just shocking, after all these years, that some wacko chetniks thinks nasty and inappropriate personal comments will shut us up. What kind of wackos are you?! You have no ethics or morals, just garbage in and garbage out. Any may I once again point out who publishes this garbage while censoring democracy dissidents and promoting fascism and racism. B-92, get a life!
"My response: It is just shocking, after all these years, that some wacko chetniks thinks nasty and inappropriate personal comments will shut us up. What kind of wackos are you?! You have no ethics or morals, just garbage in and garbage out. Any may I once again point out who publishes this garbage while censoring democracy dissidents and promoting fascism and racism. B-92, get a life!
(roberto,"
Roberta, telling that chetniks were fascists is stupid because facts tells differently. You repeat same old chauvinist mantar of bosnian muslims. It is you and people like you who dont have no moral.
That global research article has 76 listed references to other sources and you dismiss it outright? Should I be reading BBC and CNN instead as that fits more closely with your BS? LOL!
(Zoran, 27 March 2016 11:46)
Research would be so easy if its quality were to be measured by the number of footnote references!
Especially when some of those 76 references are pearls like serbiana.com... that really makes the "research" credible lol
I note you reference globalresearch.ca, the biggest website for idiots in the world, next you will be saying that the Serbs killed civilians becasue of the chem trails sprayed by the Rothschilds.
(Dwight, 25 March 2016 14:31)
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That global research article has 76 listed references to other sources and you dismiss it outright? Should I be reading BBC and CNN instead as that fits more closely with your BS? LOL!
(Zoran, 27 March 2016 11:46)
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Anything that contradicts their propaganda outlets will always be called BS by these idiots.
As far as they're concerned no site which dares to touch on the truth will always be considered either paid off by Serbs or just plain BS so best not to even try.
Who cares what they think anyway? They are so irrelevant that we shouldn't waste our time trying to prove anything to them.
“I read the record. This Croat in The Hague gave me the record. My lawyer could not get it. (He) says: 'This is worth 20,000 marks.'.'Well ...,' I said. I did not quite have it, nor did I consider this important, so I read the shorthand of what was said by whom”
Now that makes perfect sense: what did she read? A short hand version of a record she ‘did not have’ verified by some American in a book ‘what was the title?’ doesn’t matter, because this Croat and some American confirmed the record she never read except the abridged version as anyone can do: download ‘Conspiracies for Dumbies’. ( I love the ‘this is worth 20,000 marks’ which is of course what someone in the Hague would want as we all know BAM is such an internationally desirable currency.) Whose mind is lost? As she postures at her windmills in this vainglorious attempt to reposition herself from her confession in such a transparent prevarication but guilt like madness weaves its own logic.
A Land Where War Criminals Are Heroes
[link]
(Avni, 25 March 2016 20:47)
If it would be only a land. No, it's the whole region, starting with Croatia, then go a bit more east to Bosnia, continue a bit more east in Serbia, and end a little bit to the south in Kosovo - all the same.
War criminals, extremists, mafia 'businessmen', fascists and Chetniks.
What is scary is that people are so brainwashed by the 'nationalists' that they consider persons who only cared for themselves and the well-being of their relatives ruined their countries economically and morally - and still they are seen as 'heroes'.
There are people who believe that the CIA carried out 9/11 but its stupid to take those people seriously. So, the Chetniks, the word used in the article, knew of the US intentions, but went in to Srebrenica anyway and proceeded with mass murder regardless? Do the heavenly people enjoy being bombed or something?
This is blaming others for your bloodthirsty Serbian paramilitary, sorry Serbs could have chosen not to commit the crime unless they were all insane. The generals in head were trained solders not some idiot of street they gave the order to commit Genocide as they thought they will never be cought. Stop blaming others : Slovenians Croats Albanians Americans ...... Germans ...... All at fault but innocent Serbs were tricked. When u point a finger three point back at you. Serbs need to reflect like Kum in other page to progressfrommedival ages
How is Clinton to blame? The people who fired the bullets and those who gave the orders are to blame.
Lets imagine this, there is a fight between two groups of people in the street. Me and my friends are are also on the same street but we are not part of the fight as it isn't our fight. Me and my friends agree with one another that we'll intervene in the fight if it gets out of hand. The fight does eventually get out of hand after one man dies so me and my friends intervene and break up the fight. Are we to blame for the death of the man?
"Bosnian Muslim officials have claimed that their leader, Alija Izetbegovic, told them that Clinton had advised him that U.S. intervention would only occur if the Serbs killed at least 5,000 at Srebrenica."
(Zoran, 25 March 2016 10:56)
So you are saying that Mladic is an imbecile who was tricked into mass murdering civilians by a much smarter Izetbegovic.?
(Dwight, 25 March 2016 14:31)
I think our dear friend Zoran (and this rambling and confused old lady) are saying that Bill and Alija failed to understand that the Bosnian Serb Army was an army of savages, so it was an error for Bill and Alija to leave the Srebrenica civilians at the mercy of an army of savages! So the genocide committed was the fault of Bill and Alija, not the savages of the Bosnian Serb Army.
It's like leaving people at the mercy of wild animals. It's not the fault of the animals for killing those people (that's what wild animals normally do); it's the fault of those who left them at the mercy of the wild animals.
"On Clinton's. Clinton said, 'America will enter on your, Muslim side in the war, we will bomb the Serbs if you allow the Chetniks to enter Srebrenica. And there must be no less than 5,000 massacred," said Plavsic.
So what? Even if this should be the truth, it's still the Serb troops and paramilitaries under Mladic, on order of Karacic, who deported, abducted, slaughtered and executed the 1000s of male Muslims in Srebrenica.
So THEY are to blame, and not any Clinton who might have said that, nor any Dutch UN peacekeeper who didn't prevent it. The world knows it, and it will always know and remember it - just like the world remembers the holocaust, which was commited b Germans, and not by any US president who didn't intervene right on time, and not by Churchhill with his appeasement politics after the big leader came to power, or anybody else.
Another case of a typical Serbian way of thinking - alway the others are to blame.
It's like the Nazi's at Nuremberg blaming others for what they did. The world is well informed about what plavisic role was during the war. Kissing criminal Arkans hand and encouraging the massacre of innocent Bosniaks. The butchers of the Balkans (Serbs) are a disgrace.
How is Clinton to blame?
(Haitian, 25 March 2016 10:20)
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You set up the fight, knowing that one side would destroy the other because you allowed them to kill their families over a period of time. You needed it to fulfil your agenda. You can read more about it here -> http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-politics-of-the-srebrenica-massacre/660
We can refer to this particular point, and lets not forget that it came from Bosnian Muslim politicians who heard it first hand.
"Bosnian Muslim officials have claimed that their leader, Alija Izetbegovic, told them that Clinton had advised him that U.S. intervention would only occur if the Serbs killed at least 5,000 at Srebrenica."
My God, how much there is to tell once the curtain falls, when the blindfolds are removed and the secret reports are released. I am referring to all of the wars in the former YU, the truth will come out.
So you are saying that Mladic is an imbecile who was tricked into mass murdering civilians by a much smarter Izetbegovic.?
At least you are admitting that at least 5000 civilians were killed in Srebrenica. It is a small step but a good one.
Clinton saying he would not intervene in a war that had no big civilian casualties is now seen as him telling Izetbegovic to organise a slaughter of his own civilians.
You think Izetbegovic should have surrendered. Maybe he should have but here is an alternative, Serbs could have taken Srebrenica and then not murdered everyone.
Nationalist Serbs define themselves as Christians yet continue to make excuses for mass murder, rape and war crimes. You do know that you can be a proud Serb and also say that Mladic was scum?.
You don't have to swallow the Seselj/Milosevic bullshit
I note you reference globalresearch.ca, the biggest website for idiots in the world, next you will be saying that the Serbs killed civilians becasue of the chem trails sprayed by the Rothschilds.
There are 3 aspects about Srebrenica which are never discussed in western media or at the Kangaroo court in The Hague. 1.) Moslems who surrendered in the town all survived. This includes all the men. 2.) The Moslem army didn't surrender. It attacked the Bosnian Serb Army and broke through to the Moslem-controlled town of Tuzla. 500 Serbian soldiers were killed during this break-out. The number of Moslem solders killed in battle is unknown but was probably not fewer than 3000. These Moslems were killed in a fair battle and were not murdered. 3.) a strange mercenary unit called the 10th Sabotage Unit appeared among the Serbs. This Unit were all Croats, Slovenes, and Bosnia Moslems. They were also former. Members of the French Foreign Legion. There is some evidence that this mercenary Unit murdered several hundred Moslem soldiers who surrendered after failing to break through Serbian lines. There is a strong suspicion that this Unit of Croat, Slovene, and Moslem killers were working for NATO and that their job was to stage a "massacre" which NATO would use as an excuse for attacking the Serbs.
Those watching NATO TV in the west believe that Serbs entered the peaceful town of Srebrenica, separated the men (non of whom were soldiers) and murdered them in cold blood. This NATO version of events has zero basis in fact.
How typical of serbs to try and blame their brutal crimes on albanians, croats, bosniaks, americans, europeans etc. Serbs on the other hand are sweet angels with halos over their heads.
As long as serbs view the likes of her as "heroes" I'm afraid there's no hope for this nation.
Plavsic is one sick and racist war criminal, getting maximal coverage from the chetnik press. Why was she released from prison early, and not sent directly to a madhouse?! I despise fascists, but chetnik fascists are among the worst. And craziest. Thank you b-92 for your usual high standards.
There is enough evidence to show this was the case. History will be corrected sooner or later. Clinton, the proven liar, has a large role to play in Srebrenica.
I get a good chuckle when guys like Grobar1 lob the "brainwashing" insult.
Yeah, not much credibility with the source - she plead guilty to war crimes, posed in photos with Arkan, called Muslims genetically inferior, even though they're not even an ethnicity and most nationalistic Serbs believe them to be mostly Serbian converts to Islam. And she's a professional biologist? I think something in her petri dish must have infected her brain at one time.
And even if Clinton were insane enough to stipulate a slaughter quota at Srebrenica in exchange for Western support, do you honestly think other Western politicians would have agreed? And with Serbs being such decent people, wouldn't Mladic, Karadzic, Krstic and others have opted for POW camps instead?
Think about this now...if you can muster the willingness...
She is right. Bill Clinton and Alija Izetbegovic decided together to abandon Srebrenica. This is according to the police chief of Srebrenica in 1995, bosnian muslim Hakija Meholjić, who have witnessed about this several times.
Very very interesting...Thanks Michael Thomas. I think everybody here is fed up with the BBC usual documentary being aired at least once a year, on any damned/blessed balcanic TV channel.
It may not have been Clinton, but Richard Holbrooke had a lot to do with it.
Why were the Dutch troops not supported when they asked numerous times for support? Or, why Nasar Oric air-lifted out before it wall went down?
Holbrooke needed a GALVANIZING INCIDENT in other to justify action (not unlike the Sarajevo Markale incident)
Of course, this incident was recreated by William Walker in Racak (Kosovo) years later.
Whether "Slippery Bill" knew or not is debatable, but with him anything is possible. He wasn't a very moral person.
Of course, this does not mean that Serbs were not culpable for despicable behavior (they were), and they should be punished for war crimes at the highest degree.
And of course, it also does not pretend to not see the several thousand retreating Bosnian Muslim troops who were ambushed in the forest by Serbs and died in a legitimate fire fight trying to escape.
Nice-guy Oric was to abandon his men. It really shows you how despicable he was.
If you think Serbs were the "Bad Guys, your map is really confused and you should not read B92, but rather get some Nursery Rhymes for children.
Now that this is out of the way, Serbs should let it go and concentrate of growing the economy and becoming the natural leader of the region.
Although Plavsic is probably correct in her assertions about Clinton she has credibility issues and is an embarrassment to Bosnian Serbs . She sold her soul to The Hague Tribunal prosecution in order to plea bargain her case to a lower prison term. She agreed with the prosecution that Bosnian Serbs alleged Genocide and now Clinton did? Disgraceful and that goes for the other Bosnian clowns Kraijnek who led the Serb Bosnian Parliament in Pale to reject the Vance Owen and Vance Stoltenberg plans. Without Milosevic to pressure these Bosnian Serbs, there would have been no Dayton Accord.
If you're going to give your side of the story, a rambling, incoherent, recollection of facts to a news portal partial to conspiracy theories isn't the way to do it. It's no secret Srebrenica was connected to outside coordination, but your argument is undermined if you sound more crazy than factual and only feeds the other side's contempt.
This is blaming others for your bloodthirsty Serbian paramilitary, sorry Serbs could have chosen not to commit the crime unless they were all insane. The generals in head were trained solders not some idiot of street they gave the order to commit Genocide as they thought they will never be cought. Stop blaming others : Slovenians Croats Albanians Americans ...... Germans ...... All at fault but innocent Serbs were tricked. When u point a finger three point back at you. Serbs need to reflect like Kum in other page to progressfrommedival ages
(Bilbao, 25 March 2016 11:47
To Balbao,
You are right!.Mladic stated that it was a payback or Revenge for the Bosnjaks killing his father in the World War 2,and the rest of his family. TWO wrong's don't make a right!! Serbi,Hrvati,Bosanjaki,Shqipire all need to admit to their killings and raping of innocent civilians,that had nothing to do with the war,and savagely killed by ALL side's!.
This is according to the police chief of Srebrenica in 1995, bosnian muslim Hakija Meholjić, who have witnessed about this several times.
(Abe, 25 March 2016 12:41)
Very good point, Meholjic is one of the few Bosnian Muslim commanders who not only spoke the truth but was outraged when orders were received to retreat from Srebrinica. Nasir Oric withdrew most of his forces from the Srebrenica enclave.
"@ roberto
You judging others for their standards? It is really weird that you post photos of yourself wearing just your underwear on your Facebook page. Sicko. You have no credibility."
My response: It is just shocking, after all these years, that some wacko chetniks thinks nasty and inappropriate personal comments will shut us up. What kind of wackos are you?! You have no ethics or morals, just garbage in and garbage out. Any may I once again point out who publishes this garbage while censoring democracy dissidents and promoting fascism and racism. B-92, get a life!
What has been established by Dutch journalists last year from the Clinton Archives is that the US, the UK and France had a secret agreement to deny air support to Dutchbat that was stationed in Srebrenica. Dutchbat ask for air support 9 times and were refused except from some minor support when the assault was nearly over.
http://www.dutchnews.nl/news/archives/2015/06/srebrenica-airstrikes-cancelled-dutch-not-told/
http://www.france24.com/en/20150709-srebrenica-bosnia-muslims-dutch-UN-intelligence-france-clinton
I note you reference globalresearch.ca, the biggest website for idiots in the world, next you will be saying that the Serbs killed civilians becasue of the chem trails sprayed by the Rothschilds.
(Dwight, 25 March 2016 14:31)
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That global research article has 76 listed references to other sources and you dismiss it outright? Should I be reading BBC and CNN instead as that fits more closely with your BS? LOL!
That global research article has 76 listed references to other sources and you dismiss it outright? Should I be reading BBC and CNN instead as that fits more closely with your BS? LOL!
(Zoran)
LOL you quote the guardian a comment on another article.
REad what you want buddy but just learn the difference between opinion and fact
This article is a classic denial, what is most notable is not what it includes but what it leaves out. That is, it cherry picks the facts...just like you
Political Convenience is a poor attempt to shift the blame. You would hold CLinton responsible becasue of one supposed sentence but would ignore 50xevidence to convict a Serb
"most of the Bosnian victims were fighters". The criteria used by the Serbs to determine if you were a fighter was being male. In that case Naser Oric must also be forgiven as most of those killed by him were also men. The Staro Gracko killings and many other crimes against Serbs would also then be justified. Even if every single person murdered in Srebn. was a fighter, most of those killed were unarmed POWs
Serbia lost the propoganda wr abroad but it won this at home.I think it is wrong to only mention one side of this war. THe article fails to mention Milosevic's war on his own people where they were continuously told that Serbs were victims
Serbia is not to blame for everthing but have some perspective. How can you criticize the KLA, Storm, Oric but excuse Vukovar hostital, Srebrenica etc.
That global research article has 76 listed references to other sources and you dismiss it outright? Should I be reading BBC and CNN instead as that fits more closely with your BS? LOL!
(Zoran, 27 March 2016 11:46)
Research would be so easy if its quality were to be measured by the number of footnote references!
Especially when some of those 76 references are pearls like serbiana.com... that really makes the "research" credible lol
You are so melodramatic. Get over yourself, already.
Not trying to shut you up. You’re free to express yourself. You can post photos of yourself in your underwear on social media for all the world to see. Just don’t expect us to believe that some 60 some year old male who does this is working with a full deck. You're not credible.
"My response: It is just shocking, after all these years, that some wacko chetniks thinks nasty and inappropriate personal comments will shut us up. What kind of wackos are you?! You have no ethics or morals, just garbage in and garbage out. Any may I once again point out who publishes this garbage while censoring democracy dissidents and promoting fascism and racism. B-92, get a life!
(roberto,"
Roberta, telling that chetniks were fascists is stupid because facts tells differently. You repeat same old chauvinist mantar of bosnian muslims. It is you and people like you who dont have no moral.
“I read the record. This Croat in The Hague gave me the record. My lawyer could not get it. (He) says: 'This is worth 20,000 marks.'.'Well ...,' I said. I did not quite have it, nor did I consider this important, so I read the shorthand of what was said by whom”
Now that makes perfect sense: what did she read? A short hand version of a record she ‘did not have’ verified by some American in a book ‘what was the title?’ doesn’t matter, because this Croat and some American confirmed the record she never read except the abridged version as anyone can do: download ‘Conspiracies for Dumbies’. ( I love the ‘this is worth 20,000 marks’ which is of course what someone in the Hague would want as we all know BAM is such an internationally desirable currency.) Whose mind is lost? As she postures at her windmills in this vainglorious attempt to reposition herself from her confession in such a transparent prevarication but guilt like madness weaves its own logic.
I note you reference globalresearch.ca, the biggest website for idiots in the world, next you will be saying that the Serbs killed civilians becasue of the chem trails sprayed by the Rothschilds.
(Dwight, 25 March 2016 14:31)
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That global research article has 76 listed references to other sources and you dismiss it outright? Should I be reading BBC and CNN instead as that fits more closely with your BS? LOL!
(Zoran, 27 March 2016 11:46)
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Anything that contradicts their propaganda outlets will always be called BS by these idiots.
As far as they're concerned no site which dares to touch on the truth will always be considered either paid off by Serbs or just plain BS so best not to even try.
Who cares what they think anyway? They are so irrelevant that we shouldn't waste our time trying to prove anything to them.
A Land Where War Criminals Are Heroes
[link]
(Avni, 25 March 2016 20:47)
If it would be only a land. No, it's the whole region, starting with Croatia, then go a bit more east to Bosnia, continue a bit more east in Serbia, and end a little bit to the south in Kosovo - all the same.
War criminals, extremists, mafia 'businessmen', fascists and Chetniks.
What is scary is that people are so brainwashed by the 'nationalists' that they consider persons who only cared for themselves and the well-being of their relatives ruined their countries economically and morally - and still they are seen as 'heroes'.
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