Turkey "to return debt to Aleppo," but denies invasion plans
Turkish Prime Minister Ahmet Davutoglu has said his country will "return a historical debt to Aleppo brothers” who helped defend it in the early 20th century.
I haven't forgotten my fathers unlike you albanians trying to make a complete break with your turkish ancestors and pass as europeans.But your ottoman past will always be with you.
Albanian turks like yourself never forget their mother turkey.Your dream will become reality one day and you'll join your mother.
(gotsefromohrid, 10 February 2016 20:30)
Erdogang corner themselves every day moving fast to a zugzwang situation. They make more mistakes as they fail to stop their war machine. I am very pessimistic about peace in this region because not only Turkey but all other sides involved are raising the stakes – 3 day drills of the Southern Military District openly trained things that will be necessary in a war with Turkey. The USA stay aside striving to launch a direct war between Turkey and Russia. And if things runs as they do it will be a close end of both Erdogang and the jihadists in Syria. It means that they will be back to Turkey, Saudia and Qatar to destroy them and change the landscape of the ME. So I see almost no chance to avoid a very big war here. Russia is technically ready but the supply routes will be cut as you said. The West is not ready for a direct involvement so they will be adding fuel and mudding Russia. But many Europeans will sympathize Russia so the consequences will be hard to predict. After our plane was brought down Russia delivered SU-34 fighters but a couple of weeks ago they showed SU-35 in Hmeinin airport. It’s the best fighter in the world today and everybody sees how serious we are. From the Russian point the best option is to let the things run as they do even if the Turks invade Syria. They already have civil war in the Turkish Kurdistan where 8-th army corps is tied for long.
rote
rote,
To sum up, what you and the rest of the bozos, below, are saying: Russia is screwed.
Erdogan badly overplayed his hand in November, and as a result, Moscow has frozen Ankara out.
Right now, Erdogan's only play is to talk tough, and see if he can shake anything loose despite the fact that he can not act.
(marKo, 10 February 2016 21:54)
Turkey can always shoot down another Russian jet, that's how Erdogan can act!
There is no way for Russia to get troops, in large numbers, to Syria. It is Russia that is frozen out. I'd say Putin is screwed.
One thing many Serbs and Turks have in common is a strong genocide denial amongst the population and government. The truth is Turks committed genocide against Armenians and Serbs committed genocide against Bosniaks.
(LK, 10 February 2016 18:00)
The Truth is the Croats committed Genocide against the Serbs between 1941-1945 killing over 750,000 thousand Serbs, Gypsies, Jews and other Yugoslavs in conjunction with the Nazi's and Bosniak Muslim Nazi's. The Turks not only committed Genocide on the Armenians but the Greeks as well, close to 1 Million.
The Srebrinica hoax is not a genocide by any stretch of the imagination.
Erdogan badly overplayed his hand in November, and as a result, Moscow has frozen Ankara out. The Turkish state is in a bad position, it backed the losing side in a civil war, it has only tepid support from the EU,it hosts 2 million refugees with radicals among them, and it has a hostile border. Right now, Erdogan's only play is to talk tough, and see if he can shake anything loose despite the fact that he can not act.
The reality is, at some point all regional countries are going to have to be included in making the region peaceful and stable, and that includes Turkey too, but Erdogan's policies will make this very difficult
Turkey is a rogue semi police state run by a facist who thinks he is invincible because NATO would come to his rescue. Well it won,t we in the west are starting to question why it's ok to murder the Kurds of Turkey when it was not ok for Belgrade to defend its sovereign territory Kosovo. Double standards indeed.
What so bad about turks controlling their own lands again. New Ottoman Empire would mean less greeks begging money, serbian criminals like Arkan polluting west and no refugees. West wont let them though. What would ha been the point of defeating turks almost 100 years ago, if they were given greenlihht to reclaim those lands. Serbs and greeks of course never heard of people like Allenby. Corfu was just some greeks nursing tired serbs,this is what their history books teach. What a stupid mistake west made going against Bulgaria and Turkey 100 years ago.
"If Turkey wants to "return a debt", you can be sure genocide is on the way.
(Navi, 10 February 2016 16:31) "
One thing many Serbs and Turks have in common is a strong genocide denial amongst the population and government. The truth is Turks committed genocide against Armenians and Serbs committed genocide against Bosniaks.
Ever notice that RT never criticizes Russia or Putin? I have to wonder why B92 would use them as any kind of legitimate source, but it's very common for B92 to copy and paste Russian media, especially from RT and Sputnik.
Erdogang corner themselves every day moving fast to a zugzwang situation. They make more mistakes as they fail to stop their war machine. I am very pessimistic about peace in this region because not only Turkey but all other sides involved are raising the stakes – 3 day drills of the Southern Military District openly trained things that will be necessary in a war with Turkey. The USA stay aside striving to launch a direct war between Turkey and Russia. And if things runs as they do it will be a close end of both Erdogang and the jihadists in Syria. It means that they will be back to Turkey, Saudia and Qatar to destroy them and change the landscape of the ME. So I see almost no chance to avoid a very big war here. Russia is technically ready but the supply routes will be cut as you said. The West is not ready for a direct involvement so they will be adding fuel and mudding Russia. But many Europeans will sympathize Russia so the consequences will be hard to predict. After our plane was brought down Russia delivered SU-34 fighters but a couple of weeks ago they showed SU-35 in Hmeinin airport. It’s the best fighter in the world today and everybody sees how serious we are. From the Russian point the best option is to let the things run as they do even if the Turks invade Syria. They already have civil war in the Turkish Kurdistan where 8-th army corps is tied for long.
I think a 'three strikes, your out method' would be prudent on Russia's behalf.
1. The downing of Russian plane, Russia waited.
2. As Micheal Thomas suggested,Russia should again wait,cautiously,but wait.
3. As the situation draws to a head and NATO (US) attempts a third time, using Turkey as its bait, but Russia smells the game and backs off.
A few points are abundantly apparent, media is pro western and any move Russia makes will lead to escalation. Next is that the situation is dire, and turkey's reigns will be pulled in forcing NATO (US) to attempt the same game plan but in a different location.
We may be watchers and we can't hear the whispers behind the scenes, but the positions being adopted are blatantly obvious, in NATO' eyes, its time for sex, but when the world is armed with evidence, it will look more like rape.
The current Turkish regime is capable of enormous errors including invading Syria to protect its ISIS allies. But this would be disastrous for Turkey and is potentially dangerous for the rest of us. The Turkish invasion forces would be destroyed by Russian aircraft and Syrian/Iranian/Hezbollah troops. I don’t think anyone believes otherwise. What then is point of such an obviously pointless invasion? Perhaps a war with Russia will be used to close the Bosphorus strait for Russian ships. If this happened Russia could blast their way through the strait and destroy any forces that threatened them. This however would enable NATO to join the battle in defence of NATO-member, Turkey. Alternatively, Russia could close the strait to all shipping and interfere with air traffic over Turkey, thereby causing massive transport disruption for the Turks. A third option would be for Russia to do nothing directly against Turkey, thereby avoiding direct conflict with NATO, but to arm and train the Kurds and adopt a longer-term strategy of destroying Turkey. President Putin is very cautious and I wouldn’t expect any rash or ill-considered actions from him.
I think a 'three strikes, your out method' would be prudent on Russia's behalf.
1. The downing of Russian plane, Russia waited.
2. As Micheal Thomas suggested,Russia should again wait,cautiously,but wait.
3. As the situation draws to a head and NATO (US) attempts a third time, using Turkey as its bait, but Russia smells the game and backs off.
A few points are abundantly apparent, media is pro western and any move Russia makes will lead to escalation. Next is that the situation is dire, and turkey's reigns will be pulled in forcing NATO (US) to attempt the same game plan but in a different location.
We may be watchers and we can't hear the whispers behind the scenes, but the positions being adopted are blatantly obvious, in NATO' eyes, its time for sex, but when the world is armed with evidence, it will look more like rape.
The current Turkish regime is capable of enormous errors including invading Syria to protect its ISIS allies. But this would be disastrous for Turkey and is potentially dangerous for the rest of us. The Turkish invasion forces would be destroyed by Russian aircraft and Syrian/Iranian/Hezbollah troops. I don’t think anyone believes otherwise. What then is point of such an obviously pointless invasion? Perhaps a war with Russia will be used to close the Bosphorus strait for Russian ships. If this happened Russia could blast their way through the strait and destroy any forces that threatened them. This however would enable NATO to join the battle in defence of NATO-member, Turkey. Alternatively, Russia could close the strait to all shipping and interfere with air traffic over Turkey, thereby causing massive transport disruption for the Turks. A third option would be for Russia to do nothing directly against Turkey, thereby avoiding direct conflict with NATO, but to arm and train the Kurds and adopt a longer-term strategy of destroying Turkey. President Putin is very cautious and I wouldn’t expect any rash or ill-considered actions from him.
Erdogang corner themselves every day moving fast to a zugzwang situation. They make more mistakes as they fail to stop their war machine. I am very pessimistic about peace in this region because not only Turkey but all other sides involved are raising the stakes – 3 day drills of the Southern Military District openly trained things that will be necessary in a war with Turkey. The USA stay aside striving to launch a direct war between Turkey and Russia. And if things runs as they do it will be a close end of both Erdogang and the jihadists in Syria. It means that they will be back to Turkey, Saudia and Qatar to destroy them and change the landscape of the ME. So I see almost no chance to avoid a very big war here. Russia is technically ready but the supply routes will be cut as you said. The West is not ready for a direct involvement so they will be adding fuel and mudding Russia. But many Europeans will sympathize Russia so the consequences will be hard to predict. After our plane was brought down Russia delivered SU-34 fighters but a couple of weeks ago they showed SU-35 in Hmeinin airport. It’s the best fighter in the world today and everybody sees how serious we are. From the Russian point the best option is to let the things run as they do even if the Turks invade Syria. They already have civil war in the Turkish Kurdistan where 8-th army corps is tied for long.
Turkey is a rogue semi police state run by a facist who thinks he is invincible because NATO would come to his rescue. Well it won,t we in the west are starting to question why it's ok to murder the Kurds of Turkey when it was not ok for Belgrade to defend its sovereign territory Kosovo. Double standards indeed.
Erdogan badly overplayed his hand in November, and as a result, Moscow has frozen Ankara out. The Turkish state is in a bad position, it backed the losing side in a civil war, it has only tepid support from the EU,it hosts 2 million refugees with radicals among them, and it has a hostile border. Right now, Erdogan's only play is to talk tough, and see if he can shake anything loose despite the fact that he can not act.
The reality is, at some point all regional countries are going to have to be included in making the region peaceful and stable, and that includes Turkey too, but Erdogan's policies will make this very difficult
Ever notice that RT never criticizes Russia or Putin? I have to wonder why B92 would use them as any kind of legitimate source, but it's very common for B92 to copy and paste Russian media, especially from RT and Sputnik.
One thing many Serbs and Turks have in common is a strong genocide denial amongst the population and government. The truth is Turks committed genocide against Armenians and Serbs committed genocide against Bosniaks.
(LK, 10 February 2016 18:00)
The Truth is the Croats committed Genocide against the Serbs between 1941-1945 killing over 750,000 thousand Serbs, Gypsies, Jews and other Yugoslavs in conjunction with the Nazi's and Bosniak Muslim Nazi's. The Turks not only committed Genocide on the Armenians but the Greeks as well, close to 1 Million.
The Srebrinica hoax is not a genocide by any stretch of the imagination.
"If Turkey wants to "return a debt", you can be sure genocide is on the way.
(Navi, 10 February 2016 16:31) "
One thing many Serbs and Turks have in common is a strong genocide denial amongst the population and government. The truth is Turks committed genocide against Armenians and Serbs committed genocide against Bosniaks.
I haven't forgotten my fathers unlike you albanians trying to make a complete break with your turkish ancestors and pass as europeans.But your ottoman past will always be with you.
Erdogan badly overplayed his hand in November, and as a result, Moscow has frozen Ankara out.
Right now, Erdogan's only play is to talk tough, and see if he can shake anything loose despite the fact that he can not act.
(marKo, 10 February 2016 21:54)
Turkey can always shoot down another Russian jet, that's how Erdogan can act!
There is no way for Russia to get troops, in large numbers, to Syria. It is Russia that is frozen out. I'd say Putin is screwed.
What so bad about turks controlling their own lands again. New Ottoman Empire would mean less greeks begging money, serbian criminals like Arkan polluting west and no refugees. West wont let them though. What would ha been the point of defeating turks almost 100 years ago, if they were given greenlihht to reclaim those lands. Serbs and greeks of course never heard of people like Allenby. Corfu was just some greeks nursing tired serbs,this is what their history books teach. What a stupid mistake west made going against Bulgaria and Turkey 100 years ago.
Erdogang corner themselves every day moving fast to a zugzwang situation. They make more mistakes as they fail to stop their war machine. I am very pessimistic about peace in this region because not only Turkey but all other sides involved are raising the stakes – 3 day drills of the Southern Military District openly trained things that will be necessary in a war with Turkey. The USA stay aside striving to launch a direct war between Turkey and Russia. And if things runs as they do it will be a close end of both Erdogang and the jihadists in Syria. It means that they will be back to Turkey, Saudia and Qatar to destroy them and change the landscape of the ME. So I see almost no chance to avoid a very big war here. Russia is technically ready but the supply routes will be cut as you said. The West is not ready for a direct involvement so they will be adding fuel and mudding Russia. But many Europeans will sympathize Russia so the consequences will be hard to predict. After our plane was brought down Russia delivered SU-34 fighters but a couple of weeks ago they showed SU-35 in Hmeinin airport. It’s the best fighter in the world today and everybody sees how serious we are. From the Russian point the best option is to let the things run as they do even if the Turks invade Syria. They already have civil war in the Turkish Kurdistan where 8-th army corps is tied for long.
rote
rote,
To sum up, what you and the rest of the bozos, below, are saying: Russia is screwed.
Albanian turks like yourself never forget their mother turkey.Your dream will become reality one day and you'll join your mother.
(gotsefromohrid, 10 February 2016 20:30)
What so bad about turks controlling their own lands again. New Ottoman Empire would mean less greeks begging money, serbian criminals like Arkan polluting west and no refugees. West wont let them though. What would ha been the point of defeating turks almost 100 years ago, if they were given greenlihht to reclaim those lands. Serbs and greeks of course never heard of people like Allenby. Corfu was just some greeks nursing tired serbs,this is what their history books teach. What a stupid mistake west made going against Bulgaria and Turkey 100 years ago.
Ever notice that RT never criticizes Russia or Putin? I have to wonder why B92 would use them as any kind of legitimate source, but it's very common for B92 to copy and paste Russian media, especially from RT and Sputnik.
"If Turkey wants to "return a debt", you can be sure genocide is on the way.
(Navi, 10 February 2016 16:31) "
One thing many Serbs and Turks have in common is a strong genocide denial amongst the population and government. The truth is Turks committed genocide against Armenians and Serbs committed genocide against Bosniaks.
Erdogang corner themselves every day moving fast to a zugzwang situation. They make more mistakes as they fail to stop their war machine. I am very pessimistic about peace in this region because not only Turkey but all other sides involved are raising the stakes – 3 day drills of the Southern Military District openly trained things that will be necessary in a war with Turkey. The USA stay aside striving to launch a direct war between Turkey and Russia. And if things runs as they do it will be a close end of both Erdogang and the jihadists in Syria. It means that they will be back to Turkey, Saudia and Qatar to destroy them and change the landscape of the ME. So I see almost no chance to avoid a very big war here. Russia is technically ready but the supply routes will be cut as you said. The West is not ready for a direct involvement so they will be adding fuel and mudding Russia. But many Europeans will sympathize Russia so the consequences will be hard to predict. After our plane was brought down Russia delivered SU-34 fighters but a couple of weeks ago they showed SU-35 in Hmeinin airport. It’s the best fighter in the world today and everybody sees how serious we are. From the Russian point the best option is to let the things run as they do even if the Turks invade Syria. They already have civil war in the Turkish Kurdistan where 8-th army corps is tied for long.
rote
rote,
To sum up, what you and the rest of the bozos, below, are saying: Russia is screwed.
Erdogan badly overplayed his hand in November, and as a result, Moscow has frozen Ankara out.
Right now, Erdogan's only play is to talk tough, and see if he can shake anything loose despite the fact that he can not act.
(marKo, 10 February 2016 21:54)
Turkey can always shoot down another Russian jet, that's how Erdogan can act!
There is no way for Russia to get troops, in large numbers, to Syria. It is Russia that is frozen out. I'd say Putin is screwed.
I haven't forgotten my fathers unlike you albanians trying to make a complete break with your turkish ancestors and pass as europeans.But your ottoman past will always be with you.
Albanian turks like yourself never forget their mother turkey.Your dream will become reality one day and you'll join your mother.
(gotsefromohrid, 10 February 2016 20:30)
Erdogang corner themselves every day moving fast to a zugzwang situation. They make more mistakes as they fail to stop their war machine. I am very pessimistic about peace in this region because not only Turkey but all other sides involved are raising the stakes – 3 day drills of the Southern Military District openly trained things that will be necessary in a war with Turkey. The USA stay aside striving to launch a direct war between Turkey and Russia. And if things runs as they do it will be a close end of both Erdogang and the jihadists in Syria. It means that they will be back to Turkey, Saudia and Qatar to destroy them and change the landscape of the ME. So I see almost no chance to avoid a very big war here. Russia is technically ready but the supply routes will be cut as you said. The West is not ready for a direct involvement so they will be adding fuel and mudding Russia. But many Europeans will sympathize Russia so the consequences will be hard to predict. After our plane was brought down Russia delivered SU-34 fighters but a couple of weeks ago they showed SU-35 in Hmeinin airport. It’s the best fighter in the world today and everybody sees how serious we are. From the Russian point the best option is to let the things run as they do even if the Turks invade Syria. They already have civil war in the Turkish Kurdistan where 8-th army corps is tied for long.
Turkey is a rogue semi police state run by a facist who thinks he is invincible because NATO would come to his rescue. Well it won,t we in the west are starting to question why it's ok to murder the Kurds of Turkey when it was not ok for Belgrade to defend its sovereign territory Kosovo. Double standards indeed.
The current Turkish regime is capable of enormous errors including invading Syria to protect its ISIS allies. But this would be disastrous for Turkey and is potentially dangerous for the rest of us. The Turkish invasion forces would be destroyed by Russian aircraft and Syrian/Iranian/Hezbollah troops. I don’t think anyone believes otherwise. What then is point of such an obviously pointless invasion? Perhaps a war with Russia will be used to close the Bosphorus strait for Russian ships. If this happened Russia could blast their way through the strait and destroy any forces that threatened them. This however would enable NATO to join the battle in defence of NATO-member, Turkey. Alternatively, Russia could close the strait to all shipping and interfere with air traffic over Turkey, thereby causing massive transport disruption for the Turks. A third option would be for Russia to do nothing directly against Turkey, thereby avoiding direct conflict with NATO, but to arm and train the Kurds and adopt a longer-term strategy of destroying Turkey. President Putin is very cautious and I wouldn’t expect any rash or ill-considered actions from him.
I think a 'three strikes, your out method' would be prudent on Russia's behalf.
1. The downing of Russian plane, Russia waited.
2. As Micheal Thomas suggested,Russia should again wait,cautiously,but wait.
3. As the situation draws to a head and NATO (US) attempts a third time, using Turkey as its bait, but Russia smells the game and backs off.
A few points are abundantly apparent, media is pro western and any move Russia makes will lead to escalation. Next is that the situation is dire, and turkey's reigns will be pulled in forcing NATO (US) to attempt the same game plan but in a different location.
We may be watchers and we can't hear the whispers behind the scenes, but the positions being adopted are blatantly obvious, in NATO' eyes, its time for sex, but when the world is armed with evidence, it will look more like rape.
One thing many Serbs and Turks have in common is a strong genocide denial amongst the population and government. The truth is Turks committed genocide against Armenians and Serbs committed genocide against Bosniaks.
(LK, 10 February 2016 18:00)
The Truth is the Croats committed Genocide against the Serbs between 1941-1945 killing over 750,000 thousand Serbs, Gypsies, Jews and other Yugoslavs in conjunction with the Nazi's and Bosniak Muslim Nazi's. The Turks not only committed Genocide on the Armenians but the Greeks as well, close to 1 Million.
The Srebrinica hoax is not a genocide by any stretch of the imagination.
Erdogan badly overplayed his hand in November, and as a result, Moscow has frozen Ankara out. The Turkish state is in a bad position, it backed the losing side in a civil war, it has only tepid support from the EU,it hosts 2 million refugees with radicals among them, and it has a hostile border. Right now, Erdogan's only play is to talk tough, and see if he can shake anything loose despite the fact that he can not act.
The reality is, at some point all regional countries are going to have to be included in making the region peaceful and stable, and that includes Turkey too, but Erdogan's policies will make this very difficult
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