Community of Serb Municipalities will be formed - Kosovo PM

He (Mustafa) "added that he feels bad when he goes to Brussels for talks, while his fellow citizens have not yet been enabled visa liberalization with EU countries."

Apparently, Europe feels good about herding and fencing you into a dysfunctional ghetto without visa-free access to the continent.

Really! You confuse it with your origin honey!
Google - Origin of Serbs to see better.
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(Joni, 27 January 2016 14:33)

Do I have to explain it to you again or is your fez hat blocking your view?

http://www.azerb.com/az-caucasian-albania.html?ckattempt=1

The Udi language is thought to be the last remnant of the language once spoken in Caucasian Albania. A member of the Northeast Caucasian language family, The language is spoken by about 5,000 people in the Azerbaijani village of Nij in the Qabala rayon, the Oguz rayon, as well as parts of the North Caucasus in Russia. It is also spoken by ethnic Udis living in the villages of Debedavan, Bagratashen, Ptghavan, and Haghtanak in the Tavush province of Armenia and in the village of Octomberi in the Kvareli district of the Kakheti province in Georgia. Udi is related to Lezgi and Tabasaran. Together with Lak, Dargin and others, they form the group of Lezgic languages.

Albanians are not European
Albanians originally come from the Kavkaz mountains or todays Azerbedjan and Dagestan. They call themselve Shquiptar wich means "mountain people". Araps used to call them "Arnauts" wich means those that did not come back. Today the Turks have taken over this name.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bYHugDPMb3c

You are an criminal like your master Thaqi and only your criminal past keeps you in power since nobody can rule with an honorable human being. The internationals need criminals like you for their interests in Kosova. (Demi, 27 January 2016 11:58)

Finally came to your senses and realize that the KLA Terrorsit Thaci is a war criminal, how long did it take you to figure that one out? Who said stubborn Albanians cannot come around and face reality.

The proverbial penny has finally dropped with our little Illyrian friends that their leadership is selling them out.

The EU has realized that the only course of action is to quietly hand the land back to Serbia and this is stage 1 where you create Serb entities that will tear apart any notion of Albanian rule after which Brussels will legitimately declare that they are bordering to a failed state and should be returned to Belgrade control.

This is no idle rhetoric, but the truth. The EU are not interested in keeping Kosovo as no longer has a strategic value.

You got to hand it to Mustapha he certainly made a dork of himself by declaring that he will not attend the talks in Brussels, that was until Brussels announced that he will be there without consulting him LOL.

@demi

albans originate from mountains around black sea (most likely present day turkey). That is your land so stop writing that nonsense

Well, well, well, Mustafa has retreated with his tail between his legs.

albans originate from mountains around black sea (most likely present day turkey). That is your land so stop writing that nonsense
(Ratko, 27 January 2016 13:50)

Really! You confuse it with your origin honey!
Google - Origin of Serbs to see better.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Origin_hypotheses_of_the_Serbs

Lets not kid ourselves. The ZSO is nothing but another form of Indian reservation at best; self-government but still being forced to adhere to occupier laws and being second-class citizens.

@ joni

honey / sweety/ babycakes first of all i dont think youre albanian just like many posters who try to pose as such with fake names. You seem to be part of the troll anti serb brigade. but albans dont look european physically thats something that cannot be hidden, the only people who stand out in europe

As long as it is within Kosovo CC, it wont have any executive power and can operate just like any other NGO in Kosova.
(Amanaparts, 27 January 2016 13:59)

I've never seen people, nationalist or otherwise, get that worked up over the formation of an NGO. People don't throw tear gas and disrupt parliament sessions over the formation of an NGO. Political parties don't stake their electoral platforms on preventing the formation of an NGO.

You're right on the idea that ZSO will be placed withing Kosovo's constitutional framework - as all autonomous units are. But if it's really an NGO, it's destined to be the most powerful NGO next to Red Cross.

@ Jugoslavija

I pitifully you for your ignorance.
There isn't any doubt, that you are an ignorant ( including here sasa.p).
Try to see : Albania placename - sugar.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alba

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albion

@ Ratko

Uuu,, little ratkovic,
The mouth goes where the tooth hurt, no?
Why so many complexes, little ratko.
Tell me honey : How you look like! I swear, i'm not a racist. :p

@ joni

honey / sweety/ babycakes first of all i dont think youre albanian just like many posters who try to pose as such with fake names. You seem to be part of the troll anti serb brigade. but albans dont look european physically thats something that cannot be hidden, the only people who stand out in europe
(Ratko, 27 January 2016 15:19)


Ratko,
Apparently you have not been to Serbia or Albania/Kosovo. If you had you would have found that Albanians and Serbs look very much alike. In fact neither group can, for the most part, distinguish on the basis of appearance who is who. I might add this is true for most of the Balkan People.

We dont need no community of serb municipalties you criminal traitor. Serbs have more than enough rights already in Kosova. Serbs like Albanians need more jobs, better health care and overall an better living.

You are an criminal like your master Thaqi and only your criminal past keeps you in power since nobody can rule with an honorable human being. The internationals need criminals like you for their interests in Kosova.

Ibrahim Rugova was the only real leader in Kosova wich was an partner to the international community and gave honor to the state of Kosova. Nobody could play with him for the sake of "regional stability". Albanians have allways played the price for regional stability by giving up their land to slavic immigrants to the Balkans.

Kosova, western Macedonia, southern Serbia and southern Montenegro all Albanian land inhabited by Albanians. This part of Albanian land all outside the Albanian borders and this little dog speakes about serbian community.

You're right on the idea that ZSO will be placed withing Kosovo's constitutional framework - as all autonomous units are. But if it's really an NGO, it's destined to be the most powerful NGO next to Red Cross.
(Balkan Anthropologist, 27 January 2016 15:32)

The point is that the first draft (08.2015) gave ZSO executive power. The teargas throwing was the reason for sending it to Kosovo CC which now has concluded that the ZSO can be implemented (agreement 2013) BUT not according to the first draft version (agreement 08.2015). This gives opposition momentum because according to them everything negotiated with Serbia is against CC.

As for its power as NGO, its irrelevant because why shouldnt they have autonomy to a certain point? People in Kosova are not particularly against KSerbs but against Serbia. In my opinion, as long as political and financial streams within ZSO are transparent, monitored and controlled by Kosovo Government, let them be. I dont want to become like Serbia who discriminates and weakens a whole region on purpose just because they`re not serbs (as seen in Presheva Valley). The stronger every region is, the stronger becomes Kosovo as a country.

@ sasa.p

Take a camera - then enter in one Commercial Center in Serbia.
And send us some photos. Is interesting what you see... I bet you will not have the courage to show to us. he he he

"Parliament and the government can function without any problems, but the opposition, being the opposition, have their reasons to interfere," said Mustafa.

Should read like that: 'But the Kosovo opposition, being nationalist extremists, have their reasons to riot and throw tear gas in the Kosovo assembly.'

"Serb entities that will tear apart...returned to Belgrade...This is no idle rhetoric, but the truth. "
(sj, 27 January 2016 13:46)

Like that time you were given 20 Euros in 1994 to participate in anti-Milosevic demonstrations?

To Demi ,Ratko and everyone else,
Shqiptars from the last 300 years originally are from ADANA State Turkey. Adana people wear little white caps ,like Shqiptars ,dress similar, with plenty BLOODFUEDS. Their majority names end in letter "i"!
Cut the Bullsh*t ,that's why there isn't anything linking(buildings, fortresses, art's, culture etc) Shqiptars to the Balkans longer than 300 years!.

Mustafa and Vucic having phone conversations..... so cute!

Of course ZSO is going to be formed! Why shouldnt it?!

As EU urged today. Serbia has to accept Kosova Constitutional Court decision to adjust many articles concerning its formation. This shouldnt be a problem since Serbia has already signed the first agreement in which it says that every point has to be in accordance with Kosova CC and that every agreement can be send to Kosova CC before the ratification in the parliament.

At the end of the day, whats important is to respect international agreements on both sides. ZSO poses no danger for us. As long as it is within Kosovo CC, it wont have any executive power and can operate just like any other NGO in Kosova.

I encourage all to read the first agreement in 2013 http://www.rts.rs/upload/storyBoxFileData/2013/04/20/3224318/Originalni%20tekst%20Predloga%20sporazuma.pdf

and the second agreement in 08.2015 (see page 1 Point 2)
http://eeas.europa.eu/statements-eeas/docs/150825_02_association-community-of-serb-majority-municipalities-in-kosovo-general-principles-main-elements_en.pdf

However, he added, Prishtina "will continue to insist on abolishment of parallel/terrorist Serbian institutions in Kosovo."

Jugoslavija,

Thaqi or Mustafa are no warcriminals. They are criminal thieves dangerous to their own kind. They pose no danger to serbs since they are only interested in money. Its a big difference. Warcriminals there are plenty in Serbia and in Haag. The world know you for that!

Serbs cannot be more than happy to have Thaqi on power since they get everything from this guy. Diden't you know that Thaqi was the one who gave away northern Mitrovica to the serbs? Serbs should be happy to have him since he is more their representative than the Albanians.

Ratko,
Apparently you have not been to Serbia or Albania/Kosovo. If you had you would have found that Albanians and Serbs look very much alike. In fact neither group can, for the most part, distinguish on the basis of appearance who is who. I might add this is true for most of the Balkan People.
(EU Citizen, 27 January 2016 21:42

You obviously need a pair of glasses, for one thing, Serbs/Montenegrins/Croats are much taller than Albanians. Maybe that explains why former Yugoslavs have won so many Basketball and Water Polo Championships and can't think of one instance where Albanians was part of those teams.

Diden't you know that Thaqi was the one who gave away northern Mitrovica to the serbs?
(Demi, 27 January 2016 21:18)

No, he was the one who finally recognized that northern Kosovo was never going to be under his control. He can't give away something he never had in the first place.

Transparency is also a point all sides want, but just as Pristina doesn't want Belgrade holding the purse strings, Belgrade and ZSO don't want Pristina doing the same. This will be something probably worked out at Brussels and in all likelihood, ZSO will agree to work within Kosovo's framework but have effective control over the resources in its areas of influence.
(Balkan Anthropologist, 27 January 2016 23:50)

Financial streams will not be controlled by Pristina. If you read the agreements, you will see that it gives Serbia the ability to finance rural, urban planning, healthcare and everything else a state is supposed to provide. The money wont even be going through Pristina, but directly to the ZSO.
(Ari Gold, 27 January 2016 22:56)

We`ll see. Serbia has already signed the agreement to withdraw the parallel structures in order to integrate northern part better within Kosovo territory and place it under Kosovo jurisdiction. Since ZSO is going to be just like any other municipality within Kosovo Constititution, its budget is overseen by Kosovo Government. I think we`ll get a clearer view on things when either Kosovo Army is formed and/or when the demarcation of the border Kosovo-Serbia is agreed upon. As I see it, the only chance for Serbia to get northern part is, in exchange for Presevo Valley.

Ha, ha, ha, ha, Kosovo army. My God you people are stupid.
Who is going to pay for this so called army? Albanians? Please grow up and stop talking rubbish.
(sj, 28 January 2016 11:55)

It already exists as FSK (Forca e Sigurisë së Kosovës). They are internationally recognised and already cooperate with different Armies around the World. What I`m talking about is a political process to transform FSK to FAK (Forca e Armatosur së Kosovës) and officially expand their duties from civil protection to protection of the territorial integrity of the Republic of Kosovo. FSK is already reality. FAK is just the next step within the next two years.

Here is the government site of FSK: http://www.mksf-ks.org/

(Joni, 28 January 2016 08:35)

RE: John Belushi-Animal House

Now you think your Scottish! Do you want to have lots of babies and invade Scotland? .

By the way, John Belushi was Albanian after dying from a Cocaine addiction, you can spot the Albanian a mile away! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DZN4r8p6KbU

What I want to know is, whats your opinion about the landswap?
(Amanaparts, 28 January 2016 16:34)

In my honest opinion, it was never a practical option for a number of reasons. Sure, the obvious rationale is to swap a territory that's 90+% Serbian for territory that, at least in Presevo is 90% Albanian. But here's the problem from a Serbian perspective:

1. The minute Belgrade lays claim to just the north, is the minute it gives up on all other parts of Kosovo which contains all the monuments and places that are part of the "cradle of civilization". Northern Kosovo is a sparsely populated decaying industrial region. The cultural heart lies at Gracanica, Pec, Decani, and Prizren - all of which would be effectively lost.

2. Northern Kosovo wouldn't even want it. Knowing politics in Belgrade, the local officials who have obtained considerable power in the vacuum since 1999 would be forced to bend to Belgrade's will. Compare Mitrovica with Vranje or Prokuplje and you'll get an idea of how much power will be denuded.

3. Serbia doesn't want another exodus of 60,000 Serbs from central and southern Kosovo swelling up Mitrovica, Nis, or Belgrade. Plus, many of them really *don't* want to leave.

I've made my peace with Kosovo and I understand the ZSO is the best option out of a series of poor ones. But if there's one thing I've learned about Kosovo over the years is that despite all sort of nationalistic grandstanding, the status quo will remain for each community.

Even Albania doesn't have an army and you think Kosovo will?
(Jugoslavija, 29 January 2016 17:00)

I was not aware that Albania controls Kosovo!

@Amanaparts

Much of your response is taken more on faith than on fact.

Kosovo's CC effectively ruled that ZSO is within Kosovo's constitutional framework, which of course is obvious since the international community that designed the constitution made it out to be. Whether the changes the court said ZSO needs to have will actually be agreed on in Brussels, let alone introduced by the EU as a taking point, is another issue. Belgrade said it won't negotiate. The international community wants ZSO without question. The CC ruling is, in my opinion, little more than cosmetic.

Transparency is also a point all sides want, but just as Pristina doesn't want Belgrade holding the purse strings, Belgrade and ZSO don't want Pristina doing the same. This will be something probably worked out at Brussels and in all likelihood, ZSO will agree to work within Kosovo's framework but have effective control over the resources in its areas of influence.

Presevo is a non-issue. Albanians there have significant rights of assembly, publication, and local economic planning. It's natural for some of use it as a counterpoint to ZSO, but the two cannot be compared; largely because it's Kosovo that's in question. The moment Belgrade orchestrates systemic harassment of Presevo Albanians, steals their property, appropriates their culture, and vandalizes their cultural monuments, we can talk of the two areas with equal parity.

Ratko,
Apparently you have not been to Serbia or Albania/Kosovo. If you had you would have found that Albanians and Serbs look very much alike. In fact neither group can, for the most part, distinguish on the basis of appearance who is who. I might add this is true for most of the Balkan People.
(EU Citizen, 27 January 2016 21:42) # Comment link
To EU Citizen,
What a Laugh,haha.Of course you can tell the difference!,What do you think they did during the war shoot its fellow soldier.
Just look at the football players during the Serbian vs Albanian game,big difference in face features.
P's I live and travel constantly thru the Balkans, so stop the lies.
If you stated Serb's and Croat's look alike,I agree.

Albanians look like this mustafa kurtaj http://scoop.mk/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/mustafa1.jpg

Albanian highlander? http://factsanddetails.com/media/2/20120710-PKK%20Member_of_the_PKK_Kurdistan.jpg

To j or what ever your names,
Why not say Novak is Albanian, and claim him,You make me laugh.Hahaha,
Novak look's Slavic, not so called Illyrians hahaha!
Post a picture of a Tirana doubles you seen,on the net,since their are alot of them!!!,
Next you will say Vucic and Nikolic look Albanian! Hahaha,what a Laugh .
You claim that Albanian's are Illyrians and now they look like Slav's!, next Bill Clinton look's Albanian, ha,ha,ha

The EU will NEVER, and let’s repeat that NEVER, pay for an army run by MUSLIM Albanians in Kosovo. Get the picture now?
(sj, 29 January 2016 12:03)

Ok, so if Kosovo were to go back under Serbia, would a failed state like Serbia pay for it? In that case, Serbia might want to seek the advise of the CE of B92 forums sj about how to come up with the money :)

P.S. CE = Chief Economist

However, he added, Prishtina "will continue to insist on abolishment of parallel/terrorist Serbian institutions in Kosovo."
(Avni, 27 January 2016 21:14)

Those parallels are all written into the Brussels agreement mate. They are called Serbian Community of Municipalities – Haven’t you figured that fact yet? Why do you think your Albos are demonstrating.

In my opinion, as long as political and financial streams within ZSO are transparent, monitored and controlled by Kosovo Government, let them be.
(Amanaparts, 27 January 2016 19:19)

Financial streams will not be controlled by Pristina. If you read the agreements, you will see that it gives Serbia the ability to finance rural, urban planning, healthcare and everything else a state is supposed to provide. The money wont even be going through Pristina, but directly to the ZSO.

The only concession is the ZSO, not Serbia, recognizes your institutions. But here's where it gets sticky-Serbs isolated in the ethnic ghettos below the Ibar already have to deal with Albanian authority. So this is a huge win for them as it gives them autonomy to operate on their own with funds from the Serbian gov't. But Serbs north of the Ibar already don't recognize the institutions in Pristina and wont regardless of the Brussels agreements.

To EU Citizen,
As they say, Bullsh*t ,you can definitely tell the difference between a Serb or Croat compared to a Shqiptar or Bosnian Muslim!! .I live and travel thru the Balkans.That is how they knew when the fought against each other during the war.Hard to tell the difference between Serb and Croat,until they speak their dialect.
Please stop with the lies and see for your self when they played football between Serbia and Albania ,with the players,that look completely different,face features,height etc.
You make me laugh out loud that the Balkan people all look a like,hahaha.
P's not many mix marriage between Serb's and Shqiptars.

(Amanaparts, 28 January 2016 10:13)

Ha, ha, ha, ha, Kosovo army. My God you people are stupid.
Who is going to pay for this so called army? Albanians? Please grow up and stop talking rubbish.

@Amanaparts

The dismantling of these so-called "parallel institutions" (a euphemism used in Pristina to describe the only institutions in the north) will happen in direct tandem with the formal establishment of ZSO, which will basically absorb them. But if I'm not mistaken, they were already "dismantled" two years ago when the Srpska List sweeped every Serb municipality but Strpce.

As for Serbia "getting" the northern part in some sort of land swap, that's not going to happen. No one wants that.

ZSO will be autonomous. That's plain as day. The only issue is how autonomous at the start and how much more autonomy it will get in subsequent years (see Catalonia and South Tyrol as examples), especially once Kosovo's EU integration begins. All autonomous units work, by definition, within the constitutional framework of the larger entity - in this case Kosovo. But seeing as how Kosovo has always been a "special case", and seeing as how the fate of Kosovo's sovereignty is tied up with these talks, it's highly likely Kosovo Serbs, especially the northern part which has never come under Pristina's control, will be given some sort of powers between the rest of Serbia and the rest of Kosovo.

But as you say, "we'll see". This is what these talks are all about. Each side has their own positions, and each side acquiesces a little for the sake of compromise. One can tell how much one side "gave up" by the level of nationalist protest.

(Balkan Anthropologist, 28 January 2016 15:41)

Points taken and your interpretation of events is plausible. I guess only the future will tell.

What I want to know is, whats your opinion about the landswap? Sure it would be a bold move but I think it would help stability on the long term. Think about it, Northern part of Kosovo is always going to be a problem just as presheva valley. Or do you still think Serbia is really holding onto its position that Kosovo somehow returns to serbia therefore making any territorial talks unnecessary. I mean let nationalists aside, I know most Serbs realize that Kosovo is not going to be part of Serbia anytime soon.

Here is the government site of FSK: [link]/
(Amanaparts, 28 January 2016 13:57)

Even Albania doesn't have an army and you think Kosovo will?

Like that time you were given 20 Euros in 1994 to participate in anti-Milosevic demonstrations?
(Reader, 27 January 2016 15:36)

Only simple Albanians think that when the US spent $60 million on regime change in Ukraine it was to buy the kids ice cream and not to grease squeaky wheels to get people to demonstrate.
Do you think for a moment that the EU will finance Kosovo forever because they love Albos? This is the long way about to handing Kosovo back to Belgrade because Brussels has too many other problems to worry about people like you.
That breeze Albanians feel leaving Brussels talks is because the EU is stripping you naked while telling you that you have the finest winter fashion money could buy.

Apparently you have not been to Serbia or Albania/Kosovo. If you had you would have found that Albanians and Serbs look very much alike. In fact neither group can, for the most part, distinguish on the basis of appearance who is who. I might add this is true for most of the Balkan People.
(EU Citizen, 27 January 2016 21:42)

I have been to all three places and it is true. You can see the difference between Albanians and the other peoples of the Balkans. It takes a little while to “acclimatise” but you can see that difference.

To Joni,
Give me an e-mail address of yours ,and I will show you Jagodina city photos,of their landmarks. Jagodina has a Zoo,an Aqua Park,a Soccer team that even played in the Europa League,and biggest man made(artificial) water falls in the Balkans,etc.
I do live near Jagodina City ,Serbia ,where Greece,Bulgaria, Turkey,Middle East meets West Europe!, You have to travel thru Jagodina.The Romans,Ottomans, Byzantine, Ancient Greek's, 18,19th Century Austrian's-Hungarian's all had to conquer.
So sent me your email ,and I will even send you photo's when Jagodina play their next home game ,in Serbian Premier League .
When it comes to the Balkans, l have been every way man!,like the song.

To EU Citizen,
What a Laugh,haha.Of course you can tell the difference!,What do you think they did during the war shoot its fellow soldier.
Just look at the football players during the Serbian vs Albanian game,big difference in face features.
P's I live and travel constantly thru the Balkans, so stop the lies.
If you stated Serb's and Croat's look alike,I agree.
(sasa.p, 28 January 2016 00:36)

Yea this is total BS. Take Djokovic for example. He's your garden variety Albanian, by looking at his features. If he wore an Albanian team T-shirt in that game against Serbia, you wouldnt be able to tell if he was Serbian or Albanian. I swear I've seen his double in the streets of Tirana. Which is true in most cases. This is the Balkans after all, the real melting pot of the world.Then you have exceptions of course. For example there are Serbs who look Asian. Or you have hybrids like Sali Berisha's wife who also looks Asian. Even in this case the exception is really not that big.Djuric can easily pass for an Albanian. Edi Rama can easily pass for a Serb or Monenegrin.

ZSO? Not enough! Serbs in Kosmet should have autonomy such as Albanians had in 1974.

It already exists as FSK (Forca e Sigurisë së Kosovës). They are internationally recognised and already cooperate with different Armies around the World. What I`m talking about is a political process to transform FSK to FAK (Forca e Armatosur së Kosovës) and officially expand their duties from civil protection to protection of the territorial integrity of the Republic of Kosovo. FSK is already reality. FAK is just the next step within the next two years.

Here is the government site of FSK: [link]/
(Amanaparts, 28 January 2016 13:57)

Perhaps you might read the definition of an army before posting mate. The EU will NEVER, and let’s repeat that NEVER, pay for an army run by MUSLIM Albanians in Kosovo. Get the picture now?

Ok, so if Kosovo were to go back under Serbia, would a failed state like Serbia pay for it? In that case, Serbia might want to seek the advise of the CE of B92 forums sj about how to come up with the money :)

P.S. CE = Chief Economist
(icj1, 29 January 2016 16:56)

I’m talking about oranges and you’re off on a tangent about cherries. Serbia pay for Albanians? No mate Kosovo will be left as a backwater and your Albos will leave by the thousands LOL.
(sj, 1 February 2016 08:00)

Ah, ok so you are saying that Kosovo would not be better off by going back under Serbia and even Serbs would not return to Kosovo since it is going to be left as backwater by Serbia. That's what I thought - thanks for confirming. I'm also sure that Kosovo appreciates the fact that the CE of B92 forums sj cannot sleep at night out of concerns for the wellbeing of Kosovo and who is going to pay for its army :)

P.S. CE = Chief Economist

Somehow our dear friend Jugoslavija thinks that what Albania decides or does controls what Kosovo decides or does.
(icj1, 1 February 2016 16:25)

I didn't say that, is your brain working?
(Jugoslavija, 1 February 2016 17:21)

Well, a certain Jugoslavija said "Even Albania doesn't have an army and you think Kosovo". So, if what Albania decides or does has no relevance in regards to Kosovo, than that certain Jugoslavija's statement makes no sense.

But that is probably another Jugoslavija, because you are known for very thoughtful comments :)

BA just doesn't understand that extreme Albanian nationalist are lying to have an issue! From day one its been clear that the csm will have no executive judicial or legislative authority, that its constitution will state explicitly that its part of the sovereign and independent republic of Kosovo, and that all Serb Municipalities will have the same powers as all municipalities in Kosovo with no extra and no autonomy. Autonomy for serbs is completely abolished.

Ok, so if Kosovo were to go back under Serbia, would a failed state like Serbia pay for it? In that case, Serbia might want to seek the advise of the CE of B92 forums sj about how to come up with the money :)

P.S. CE = Chief Economist
(icj1, 29 January 2016 16:56)

I’m talking about oranges and you’re off on a tangent about cherries. Serbia pay for Albanians? No mate Kosovo will be left as a backwater and your Albos will leave by the thousands LOL.

Even Albania doesn't have an army and you think Kosovo will?
(Jugoslavija, 29 January 2016 17:00)

I was not aware that Albania controls Kosovo!
(icj1, 30 January 2016 19:50)

Hey AI are you smoking some of that funny stuff again? Read the post first before opening mouth.

It already exists as FSK (Forca e Sigurisë së Kosovës). They are internationally recognised and already cooperate with different Armies around the World. What I`m talking about is a political process to transform FSK to FAK (Forca e Armatosur së Kosovës) and officially expand their duties from civil protection to protection of the territorial integrity of the Republic of Kosovo. FSK is already reality. FAK is just the next step within the next two years.

Here is the government site of FSK: [link]/
(Amanaparts, 28 January 2016 13:57)


No it does not exist. Please stop playing with yourself. An army does not only compose of a group of men marching around.
How many attack helicopters, tanks, fighter aircraft, long and short range artillery, will this army have and WHO IS PAYING FOR THIS EQUIPMENT???????????? Where is this money coming from?????? Kosovo survives now because Brussels pays and runs the administration, police, judiciary etc.
Kosovo has an official unemployment level of 45%, but in reality its closer to 80% and you’re talking about having an army please stop making me laugh.

Even Albania doesn't have an army and you think Kosovo will?
(Jugoslavija, 29 January 2016 17:00)

I was not aware that Albania controls Kosovo!
(icj1, 30 January 2016 19:50)

Hey AI are you smoking some of that funny stuff again? Read the post first before opening mouth.
(sj, 1 February 2016 08:03)

Sure, I read it again :)

Somehow our dear friend Jugoslavija thinks that what Albania decides or does controls what Kosovo decides or does. So that was news to me that Albania controls Kosovo! Of course, with the usual disclaimer that such analysis of our dear friend Yugoslavija has not been reviewed or approved by the CE of the B92 forums sj...

P.S. CE = Chief Economist

Sure, I read it again :)

Somehow our dear friend Jugoslavija thinks that what Albania decides or does controls what Kosovo decides or does.
(icj1, 1 February 2016 16:25)

I didn't say that, is your brain working?

We dont need no community of serb municipalties you criminal traitor. Serbs have more than enough rights already in Kosova. Serbs like Albanians need more jobs, better health care and overall an better living.

You are an criminal like your master Thaqi and only your criminal past keeps you in power since nobody can rule with an honorable human being. The internationals need criminals like you for their interests in Kosova.

Ibrahim Rugova was the only real leader in Kosova wich was an partner to the international community and gave honor to the state of Kosova. Nobody could play with him for the sake of "regional stability". Albanians have allways played the price for regional stability by giving up their land to slavic immigrants to the Balkans.

Kosova, western Macedonia, southern Serbia and southern Montenegro all Albanian land inhabited by Albanians. This part of Albanian land all outside the Albanian borders and this little dog speakes about serbian community.

Really! You confuse it with your origin honey!
Google - Origin of Serbs to see better.
[link]
(Joni, 27 January 2016 14:33)

Do I have to explain it to you again or is your fez hat blocking your view?

http://www.azerb.com/az-caucasian-albania.html?ckattempt=1

The Udi language is thought to be the last remnant of the language once spoken in Caucasian Albania. A member of the Northeast Caucasian language family, The language is spoken by about 5,000 people in the Azerbaijani village of Nij in the Qabala rayon, the Oguz rayon, as well as parts of the North Caucasus in Russia. It is also spoken by ethnic Udis living in the villages of Debedavan, Bagratashen, Ptghavan, and Haghtanak in the Tavush province of Armenia and in the village of Octomberi in the Kvareli district of the Kakheti province in Georgia. Udi is related to Lezgi and Tabasaran. Together with Lak, Dargin and others, they form the group of Lezgic languages.

Albanians are not European
Albanians originally come from the Kavkaz mountains or todays Azerbedjan and Dagestan. They call themselve Shquiptar wich means "mountain people". Araps used to call them "Arnauts" wich means those that did not come back. Today the Turks have taken over this name.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bYHugDPMb3c

@ joni

honey / sweety/ babycakes first of all i dont think youre albanian just like many posters who try to pose as such with fake names. You seem to be part of the troll anti serb brigade. but albans dont look european physically thats something that cannot be hidden, the only people who stand out in europe

albans originate from mountains around black sea (most likely present day turkey). That is your land so stop writing that nonsense
(Ratko, 27 January 2016 13:50)

Really! You confuse it with your origin honey!
Google - Origin of Serbs to see better.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Origin_hypotheses_of_the_Serbs

@demi

albans originate from mountains around black sea (most likely present day turkey). That is your land so stop writing that nonsense

Of course ZSO is going to be formed! Why shouldnt it?!

As EU urged today. Serbia has to accept Kosova Constitutional Court decision to adjust many articles concerning its formation. This shouldnt be a problem since Serbia has already signed the first agreement in which it says that every point has to be in accordance with Kosova CC and that every agreement can be send to Kosova CC before the ratification in the parliament.

At the end of the day, whats important is to respect international agreements on both sides. ZSO poses no danger for us. As long as it is within Kosovo CC, it wont have any executive power and can operate just like any other NGO in Kosova.

I encourage all to read the first agreement in 2013 http://www.rts.rs/upload/storyBoxFileData/2013/04/20/3224318/Originalni%20tekst%20Predloga%20sporazuma.pdf

and the second agreement in 08.2015 (see page 1 Point 2)
http://eeas.europa.eu/statements-eeas/docs/150825_02_association-community-of-serb-majority-municipalities-in-kosovo-general-principles-main-elements_en.pdf

You are an criminal like your master Thaqi and only your criminal past keeps you in power since nobody can rule with an honorable human being. The internationals need criminals like you for their interests in Kosova. (Demi, 27 January 2016 11:58)

Finally came to your senses and realize that the KLA Terrorsit Thaci is a war criminal, how long did it take you to figure that one out? Who said stubborn Albanians cannot come around and face reality.

To Demi ,Ratko and everyone else,
Shqiptars from the last 300 years originally are from ADANA State Turkey. Adana people wear little white caps ,like Shqiptars ,dress similar, with plenty BLOODFUEDS. Their majority names end in letter "i"!
Cut the Bullsh*t ,that's why there isn't anything linking(buildings, fortresses, art's, culture etc) Shqiptars to the Balkans longer than 300 years!.

He (Mustafa) "added that he feels bad when he goes to Brussels for talks, while his fellow citizens have not yet been enabled visa liberalization with EU countries."

Apparently, Europe feels good about herding and fencing you into a dysfunctional ghetto without visa-free access to the continent.

Jugoslavija,

Thaqi or Mustafa are no warcriminals. They are criminal thieves dangerous to their own kind. They pose no danger to serbs since they are only interested in money. Its a big difference. Warcriminals there are plenty in Serbia and in Haag. The world know you for that!

Serbs cannot be more than happy to have Thaqi on power since they get everything from this guy. Diden't you know that Thaqi was the one who gave away northern Mitrovica to the serbs? Serbs should be happy to have him since he is more their representative than the Albanians.

@ joni

honey / sweety/ babycakes first of all i dont think youre albanian just like many posters who try to pose as such with fake names. You seem to be part of the troll anti serb brigade. but albans dont look european physically thats something that cannot be hidden, the only people who stand out in europe
(Ratko, 27 January 2016 15:19)


Ratko,
Apparently you have not been to Serbia or Albania/Kosovo. If you had you would have found that Albanians and Serbs look very much alike. In fact neither group can, for the most part, distinguish on the basis of appearance who is who. I might add this is true for most of the Balkan People.

Albanian highlander? http://factsanddetails.com/media/2/20120710-PKK%20Member_of_the_PKK_Kurdistan.jpg

Albanians look like this mustafa kurtaj http://scoop.mk/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/mustafa1.jpg

Well, well, well, Mustafa has retreated with his tail between his legs.

"Serb entities that will tear apart...returned to Belgrade...This is no idle rhetoric, but the truth. "
(sj, 27 January 2016 13:46)

Like that time you were given 20 Euros in 1994 to participate in anti-Milosevic demonstrations?

However, he added, Prishtina "will continue to insist on abolishment of parallel/terrorist Serbian institutions in Kosovo."

(Joni, 28 January 2016 08:35)

RE: John Belushi-Animal House

Now you think your Scottish! Do you want to have lots of babies and invade Scotland? .

By the way, John Belushi was Albanian after dying from a Cocaine addiction, you can spot the Albanian a mile away! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DZN4r8p6KbU

"Parliament and the government can function without any problems, but the opposition, being the opposition, have their reasons to interfere," said Mustafa.

Should read like that: 'But the Kosovo opposition, being nationalist extremists, have their reasons to riot and throw tear gas in the Kosovo assembly.'

Mustafa and Vucic having phone conversations..... so cute!

As long as it is within Kosovo CC, it wont have any executive power and can operate just like any other NGO in Kosova.
(Amanaparts, 27 January 2016 13:59)

I've never seen people, nationalist or otherwise, get that worked up over the formation of an NGO. People don't throw tear gas and disrupt parliament sessions over the formation of an NGO. Political parties don't stake their electoral platforms on preventing the formation of an NGO.

You're right on the idea that ZSO will be placed withing Kosovo's constitutional framework - as all autonomous units are. But if it's really an NGO, it's destined to be the most powerful NGO next to Red Cross.

Ratko,
Apparently you have not been to Serbia or Albania/Kosovo. If you had you would have found that Albanians and Serbs look very much alike. In fact neither group can, for the most part, distinguish on the basis of appearance who is who. I might add this is true for most of the Balkan People.
(EU Citizen, 27 January 2016 21:42

You obviously need a pair of glasses, for one thing, Serbs/Montenegrins/Croats are much taller than Albanians. Maybe that explains why former Yugoslavs have won so many Basketball and Water Polo Championships and can't think of one instance where Albanians was part of those teams.

Ratko,
Apparently you have not been to Serbia or Albania/Kosovo. If you had you would have found that Albanians and Serbs look very much alike. In fact neither group can, for the most part, distinguish on the basis of appearance who is who. I might add this is true for most of the Balkan People.
(EU Citizen, 27 January 2016 21:42) # Comment link
To EU Citizen,
What a Laugh,haha.Of course you can tell the difference!,What do you think they did during the war shoot its fellow soldier.
Just look at the football players during the Serbian vs Albanian game,big difference in face features.
P's I live and travel constantly thru the Balkans, so stop the lies.
If you stated Serb's and Croat's look alike,I agree.

(Amanaparts, 28 January 2016 10:13)

Ha, ha, ha, ha, Kosovo army. My God you people are stupid.
Who is going to pay for this so called army? Albanians? Please grow up and stop talking rubbish.

Here is the government site of FSK: [link]/
(Amanaparts, 28 January 2016 13:57)

Even Albania doesn't have an army and you think Kosovo will?

The proverbial penny has finally dropped with our little Illyrian friends that their leadership is selling them out.

The EU has realized that the only course of action is to quietly hand the land back to Serbia and this is stage 1 where you create Serb entities that will tear apart any notion of Albanian rule after which Brussels will legitimately declare that they are bordering to a failed state and should be returned to Belgrade control.

This is no idle rhetoric, but the truth. The EU are not interested in keeping Kosovo as no longer has a strategic value.

You got to hand it to Mustapha he certainly made a dork of himself by declaring that he will not attend the talks in Brussels, that was until Brussels announced that he will be there without consulting him LOL.

Apparently you have not been to Serbia or Albania/Kosovo. If you had you would have found that Albanians and Serbs look very much alike. In fact neither group can, for the most part, distinguish on the basis of appearance who is who. I might add this is true for most of the Balkan People.
(EU Citizen, 27 January 2016 21:42)

I have been to all three places and it is true. You can see the difference between Albanians and the other peoples of the Balkans. It takes a little while to “acclimatise” but you can see that difference.

BA just doesn't understand that extreme Albanian nationalist are lying to have an issue! From day one its been clear that the csm will have no executive judicial or legislative authority, that its constitution will state explicitly that its part of the sovereign and independent republic of Kosovo, and that all Serb Municipalities will have the same powers as all municipalities in Kosovo with no extra and no autonomy. Autonomy for serbs is completely abolished.

Transparency is also a point all sides want, but just as Pristina doesn't want Belgrade holding the purse strings, Belgrade and ZSO don't want Pristina doing the same. This will be something probably worked out at Brussels and in all likelihood, ZSO will agree to work within Kosovo's framework but have effective control over the resources in its areas of influence.
(Balkan Anthropologist, 27 January 2016 23:50)

Financial streams will not be controlled by Pristina. If you read the agreements, you will see that it gives Serbia the ability to finance rural, urban planning, healthcare and everything else a state is supposed to provide. The money wont even be going through Pristina, but directly to the ZSO.
(Ari Gold, 27 January 2016 22:56)

We`ll see. Serbia has already signed the agreement to withdraw the parallel structures in order to integrate northern part better within Kosovo territory and place it under Kosovo jurisdiction. Since ZSO is going to be just like any other municipality within Kosovo Constititution, its budget is overseen by Kosovo Government. I think we`ll get a clearer view on things when either Kosovo Army is formed and/or when the demarcation of the border Kosovo-Serbia is agreed upon. As I see it, the only chance for Serbia to get northern part is, in exchange for Presevo Valley.

To Joni,
Give me an e-mail address of yours ,and I will show you Jagodina city photos,of their landmarks. Jagodina has a Zoo,an Aqua Park,a Soccer team that even played in the Europa League,and biggest man made(artificial) water falls in the Balkans,etc.
I do live near Jagodina City ,Serbia ,where Greece,Bulgaria, Turkey,Middle East meets West Europe!, You have to travel thru Jagodina.The Romans,Ottomans, Byzantine, Ancient Greek's, 18,19th Century Austrian's-Hungarian's all had to conquer.
So sent me your email ,and I will even send you photo's when Jagodina play their next home game ,in Serbian Premier League .
When it comes to the Balkans, l have been every way man!,like the song.

You're right on the idea that ZSO will be placed withing Kosovo's constitutional framework - as all autonomous units are. But if it's really an NGO, it's destined to be the most powerful NGO next to Red Cross.
(Balkan Anthropologist, 27 January 2016 15:32)

The point is that the first draft (08.2015) gave ZSO executive power. The teargas throwing was the reason for sending it to Kosovo CC which now has concluded that the ZSO can be implemented (agreement 2013) BUT not according to the first draft version (agreement 08.2015). This gives opposition momentum because according to them everything negotiated with Serbia is against CC.

As for its power as NGO, its irrelevant because why shouldnt they have autonomy to a certain point? People in Kosova are not particularly against KSerbs but against Serbia. In my opinion, as long as political and financial streams within ZSO are transparent, monitored and controlled by Kosovo Government, let them be. I dont want to become like Serbia who discriminates and weakens a whole region on purpose just because they`re not serbs (as seen in Presheva Valley). The stronger every region is, the stronger becomes Kosovo as a country.

To EU Citizen,
As they say, Bullsh*t ,you can definitely tell the difference between a Serb or Croat compared to a Shqiptar or Bosnian Muslim!! .I live and travel thru the Balkans.That is how they knew when the fought against each other during the war.Hard to tell the difference between Serb and Croat,until they speak their dialect.
Please stop with the lies and see for your self when they played football between Serbia and Albania ,with the players,that look completely different,face features,height etc.
You make me laugh out loud that the Balkan people all look a like,hahaha.
P's not many mix marriage between Serb's and Shqiptars.

Diden't you know that Thaqi was the one who gave away northern Mitrovica to the serbs?
(Demi, 27 January 2016 21:18)

No, he was the one who finally recognized that northern Kosovo was never going to be under his control. He can't give away something he never had in the first place.

@ Ratko

Uuu,, little ratkovic,
The mouth goes where the tooth hurt, no?
Why so many complexes, little ratko.
Tell me honey : How you look like! I swear, i'm not a racist. :p

ZSO? Not enough! Serbs in Kosmet should have autonomy such as Albanians had in 1974.

To j or what ever your names,
Why not say Novak is Albanian, and claim him,You make me laugh.Hahaha,
Novak look's Slavic, not so called Illyrians hahaha!
Post a picture of a Tirana doubles you seen,on the net,since their are alot of them!!!,
Next you will say Vucic and Nikolic look Albanian! Hahaha,what a Laugh .
You claim that Albanian's are Illyrians and now they look like Slav's!, next Bill Clinton look's Albanian, ha,ha,ha

Ok, so if Kosovo were to go back under Serbia, would a failed state like Serbia pay for it? In that case, Serbia might want to seek the advise of the CE of B92 forums sj about how to come up with the money :)

P.S. CE = Chief Economist
(icj1, 29 January 2016 16:56)

I’m talking about oranges and you’re off on a tangent about cherries. Serbia pay for Albanians? No mate Kosovo will be left as a backwater and your Albos will leave by the thousands LOL.

Even Albania doesn't have an army and you think Kosovo will?
(Jugoslavija, 29 January 2016 17:00)

I was not aware that Albania controls Kosovo!
(icj1, 30 January 2016 19:50)

Hey AI are you smoking some of that funny stuff again? Read the post first before opening mouth.

Lets not kid ourselves. The ZSO is nothing but another form of Indian reservation at best; self-government but still being forced to adhere to occupier laws and being second-class citizens.

However, he added, Prishtina "will continue to insist on abolishment of parallel/terrorist Serbian institutions in Kosovo."
(Avni, 27 January 2016 21:14)

Those parallels are all written into the Brussels agreement mate. They are called Serbian Community of Municipalities – Haven’t you figured that fact yet? Why do you think your Albos are demonstrating.

It already exists as FSK (Forca e Sigurisë së Kosovës). They are internationally recognised and already cooperate with different Armies around the World. What I`m talking about is a political process to transform FSK to FAK (Forca e Armatosur së Kosovës) and officially expand their duties from civil protection to protection of the territorial integrity of the Republic of Kosovo. FSK is already reality. FAK is just the next step within the next two years.

Here is the government site of FSK: [link]/
(Amanaparts, 28 January 2016 13:57)

Perhaps you might read the definition of an army before posting mate. The EU will NEVER, and let’s repeat that NEVER, pay for an army run by MUSLIM Albanians in Kosovo. Get the picture now?

Like that time you were given 20 Euros in 1994 to participate in anti-Milosevic demonstrations?
(Reader, 27 January 2016 15:36)

Only simple Albanians think that when the US spent $60 million on regime change in Ukraine it was to buy the kids ice cream and not to grease squeaky wheels to get people to demonstrate.
Do you think for a moment that the EU will finance Kosovo forever because they love Albos? This is the long way about to handing Kosovo back to Belgrade because Brussels has too many other problems to worry about people like you.
That breeze Albanians feel leaving Brussels talks is because the EU is stripping you naked while telling you that you have the finest winter fashion money could buy.

In my opinion, as long as political and financial streams within ZSO are transparent, monitored and controlled by Kosovo Government, let them be.
(Amanaparts, 27 January 2016 19:19)

Financial streams will not be controlled by Pristina. If you read the agreements, you will see that it gives Serbia the ability to finance rural, urban planning, healthcare and everything else a state is supposed to provide. The money wont even be going through Pristina, but directly to the ZSO.

The only concession is the ZSO, not Serbia, recognizes your institutions. But here's where it gets sticky-Serbs isolated in the ethnic ghettos below the Ibar already have to deal with Albanian authority. So this is a huge win for them as it gives them autonomy to operate on their own with funds from the Serbian gov't. But Serbs north of the Ibar already don't recognize the institutions in Pristina and wont regardless of the Brussels agreements.

@Amanaparts

Much of your response is taken more on faith than on fact.

Kosovo's CC effectively ruled that ZSO is within Kosovo's constitutional framework, which of course is obvious since the international community that designed the constitution made it out to be. Whether the changes the court said ZSO needs to have will actually be agreed on in Brussels, let alone introduced by the EU as a taking point, is another issue. Belgrade said it won't negotiate. The international community wants ZSO without question. The CC ruling is, in my opinion, little more than cosmetic.

Transparency is also a point all sides want, but just as Pristina doesn't want Belgrade holding the purse strings, Belgrade and ZSO don't want Pristina doing the same. This will be something probably worked out at Brussels and in all likelihood, ZSO will agree to work within Kosovo's framework but have effective control over the resources in its areas of influence.

Presevo is a non-issue. Albanians there have significant rights of assembly, publication, and local economic planning. It's natural for some of use it as a counterpoint to ZSO, but the two cannot be compared; largely because it's Kosovo that's in question. The moment Belgrade orchestrates systemic harassment of Presevo Albanians, steals their property, appropriates their culture, and vandalizes their cultural monuments, we can talk of the two areas with equal parity.

@ Jugoslavija

I pitifully you for your ignorance.
There isn't any doubt, that you are an ignorant ( including here sasa.p).
Try to see : Albania placename - sugar.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alba

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albion

@ sasa.p

Take a camera - then enter in one Commercial Center in Serbia.
And send us some photos. Is interesting what you see... I bet you will not have the courage to show to us. he he he

Ha, ha, ha, ha, Kosovo army. My God you people are stupid.
Who is going to pay for this so called army? Albanians? Please grow up and stop talking rubbish.
(sj, 28 January 2016 11:55)

It already exists as FSK (Forca e Sigurisë së Kosovës). They are internationally recognised and already cooperate with different Armies around the World. What I`m talking about is a political process to transform FSK to FAK (Forca e Armatosur së Kosovës) and officially expand their duties from civil protection to protection of the territorial integrity of the Republic of Kosovo. FSK is already reality. FAK is just the next step within the next two years.

Here is the government site of FSK: http://www.mksf-ks.org/

To EU Citizen,
What a Laugh,haha.Of course you can tell the difference!,What do you think they did during the war shoot its fellow soldier.
Just look at the football players during the Serbian vs Albanian game,big difference in face features.
P's I live and travel constantly thru the Balkans, so stop the lies.
If you stated Serb's and Croat's look alike,I agree.
(sasa.p, 28 January 2016 00:36)

Yea this is total BS. Take Djokovic for example. He's your garden variety Albanian, by looking at his features. If he wore an Albanian team T-shirt in that game against Serbia, you wouldnt be able to tell if he was Serbian or Albanian. I swear I've seen his double in the streets of Tirana. Which is true in most cases. This is the Balkans after all, the real melting pot of the world.Then you have exceptions of course. For example there are Serbs who look Asian. Or you have hybrids like Sali Berisha's wife who also looks Asian. Even in this case the exception is really not that big.Djuric can easily pass for an Albanian. Edi Rama can easily pass for a Serb or Monenegrin.

The EU will NEVER, and let’s repeat that NEVER, pay for an army run by MUSLIM Albanians in Kosovo. Get the picture now?
(sj, 29 January 2016 12:03)

Ok, so if Kosovo were to go back under Serbia, would a failed state like Serbia pay for it? In that case, Serbia might want to seek the advise of the CE of B92 forums sj about how to come up with the money :)

P.S. CE = Chief Economist

It already exists as FSK (Forca e Sigurisë së Kosovës). They are internationally recognised and already cooperate with different Armies around the World. What I`m talking about is a political process to transform FSK to FAK (Forca e Armatosur së Kosovës) and officially expand their duties from civil protection to protection of the territorial integrity of the Republic of Kosovo. FSK is already reality. FAK is just the next step within the next two years.

Here is the government site of FSK: [link]/
(Amanaparts, 28 January 2016 13:57)


No it does not exist. Please stop playing with yourself. An army does not only compose of a group of men marching around.
How many attack helicopters, tanks, fighter aircraft, long and short range artillery, will this army have and WHO IS PAYING FOR THIS EQUIPMENT???????????? Where is this money coming from?????? Kosovo survives now because Brussels pays and runs the administration, police, judiciary etc.
Kosovo has an official unemployment level of 45%, but in reality its closer to 80% and you’re talking about having an army please stop making me laugh.

@Amanaparts

The dismantling of these so-called "parallel institutions" (a euphemism used in Pristina to describe the only institutions in the north) will happen in direct tandem with the formal establishment of ZSO, which will basically absorb them. But if I'm not mistaken, they were already "dismantled" two years ago when the Srpska List sweeped every Serb municipality but Strpce.

As for Serbia "getting" the northern part in some sort of land swap, that's not going to happen. No one wants that.

ZSO will be autonomous. That's plain as day. The only issue is how autonomous at the start and how much more autonomy it will get in subsequent years (see Catalonia and South Tyrol as examples), especially once Kosovo's EU integration begins. All autonomous units work, by definition, within the constitutional framework of the larger entity - in this case Kosovo. But seeing as how Kosovo has always been a "special case", and seeing as how the fate of Kosovo's sovereignty is tied up with these talks, it's highly likely Kosovo Serbs, especially the northern part which has never come under Pristina's control, will be given some sort of powers between the rest of Serbia and the rest of Kosovo.

But as you say, "we'll see". This is what these talks are all about. Each side has their own positions, and each side acquiesces a little for the sake of compromise. One can tell how much one side "gave up" by the level of nationalist protest.

(Balkan Anthropologist, 28 January 2016 15:41)

Points taken and your interpretation of events is plausible. I guess only the future will tell.

What I want to know is, whats your opinion about the landswap? Sure it would be a bold move but I think it would help stability on the long term. Think about it, Northern part of Kosovo is always going to be a problem just as presheva valley. Or do you still think Serbia is really holding onto its position that Kosovo somehow returns to serbia therefore making any territorial talks unnecessary. I mean let nationalists aside, I know most Serbs realize that Kosovo is not going to be part of Serbia anytime soon.

What I want to know is, whats your opinion about the landswap?
(Amanaparts, 28 January 2016 16:34)

In my honest opinion, it was never a practical option for a number of reasons. Sure, the obvious rationale is to swap a territory that's 90+% Serbian for territory that, at least in Presevo is 90% Albanian. But here's the problem from a Serbian perspective:

1. The minute Belgrade lays claim to just the north, is the minute it gives up on all other parts of Kosovo which contains all the monuments and places that are part of the "cradle of civilization". Northern Kosovo is a sparsely populated decaying industrial region. The cultural heart lies at Gracanica, Pec, Decani, and Prizren - all of which would be effectively lost.

2. Northern Kosovo wouldn't even want it. Knowing politics in Belgrade, the local officials who have obtained considerable power in the vacuum since 1999 would be forced to bend to Belgrade's will. Compare Mitrovica with Vranje or Prokuplje and you'll get an idea of how much power will be denuded.

3. Serbia doesn't want another exodus of 60,000 Serbs from central and southern Kosovo swelling up Mitrovica, Nis, or Belgrade. Plus, many of them really *don't* want to leave.

I've made my peace with Kosovo and I understand the ZSO is the best option out of a series of poor ones. But if there's one thing I've learned about Kosovo over the years is that despite all sort of nationalistic grandstanding, the status quo will remain for each community.

Even Albania doesn't have an army and you think Kosovo will?
(Jugoslavija, 29 January 2016 17:00)

I was not aware that Albania controls Kosovo!

Even Albania doesn't have an army and you think Kosovo will?
(Jugoslavija, 29 January 2016 17:00)

I was not aware that Albania controls Kosovo!
(icj1, 30 January 2016 19:50)

Hey AI are you smoking some of that funny stuff again? Read the post first before opening mouth.
(sj, 1 February 2016 08:03)

Sure, I read it again :)

Somehow our dear friend Jugoslavija thinks that what Albania decides or does controls what Kosovo decides or does. So that was news to me that Albania controls Kosovo! Of course, with the usual disclaimer that such analysis of our dear friend Yugoslavija has not been reviewed or approved by the CE of the B92 forums sj...

P.S. CE = Chief Economist

Ok, so if Kosovo were to go back under Serbia, would a failed state like Serbia pay for it? In that case, Serbia might want to seek the advise of the CE of B92 forums sj about how to come up with the money :)

P.S. CE = Chief Economist
(icj1, 29 January 2016 16:56)

I’m talking about oranges and you’re off on a tangent about cherries. Serbia pay for Albanians? No mate Kosovo will be left as a backwater and your Albos will leave by the thousands LOL.
(sj, 1 February 2016 08:00)

Ah, ok so you are saying that Kosovo would not be better off by going back under Serbia and even Serbs would not return to Kosovo since it is going to be left as backwater by Serbia. That's what I thought - thanks for confirming. I'm also sure that Kosovo appreciates the fact that the CE of B92 forums sj cannot sleep at night out of concerns for the wellbeing of Kosovo and who is going to pay for its army :)

P.S. CE = Chief Economist

Sure, I read it again :)

Somehow our dear friend Jugoslavija thinks that what Albania decides or does controls what Kosovo decides or does.
(icj1, 1 February 2016 16:25)

I didn't say that, is your brain working?

Somehow our dear friend Jugoslavija thinks that what Albania decides or does controls what Kosovo decides or does.
(icj1, 1 February 2016 16:25)

I didn't say that, is your brain working?
(Jugoslavija, 1 February 2016 17:21)

Well, a certain Jugoslavija said "Even Albania doesn't have an army and you think Kosovo". So, if what Albania decides or does has no relevance in regards to Kosovo, than that certain Jugoslavija's statement makes no sense.

But that is probably another Jugoslavija, because you are known for very thoughtful comments :)