Officials react to diplomat's statement about "Kosovo in UN"

"Serbia will not change its principled policy, with full commitment to dialogue as the only way to resolve all outstanding issues,"

This put you in a tough position Dacic but tell us what is the outcome that will satisfy both parties, Kosovo being part of Serbia is not supported by 96% of population of Kosovo.

Lets be pragmatic and share a solution that really makes sense for all, and i am asking Serb friends in this forum tell us something as pragmatic as it can be as speaking about past has gotton us nowhere.

For some reason, Serbia is convinced that everything will go their way. Serbia, knows very well what the agreements signed back in April 2013 covered. I am sure that Dacic, who was the PM at the time knows everything Michael Kirby said is spot on. Dacic is trying to convince Serbs otherwise, and that may not be hard to do. As far as everyone else, we know Serbia has cornered herself in a tough position.
U.N. is just one of the barriers Serbia will have to get through, recognition is definitely the real deal. EU, U.S. are not about to let Serbia join in EU with all the neighborly problems that surround her. There is a reason why chapter 35 is one of the first one on the agenda. If serbia can manage to get through chapter 35, the rest of the chapters will be a cakewalk for Serbia. Had it not been for Kosova's issue, Serbia would have been in EU by now.

Where is the policy of "status neutrality" will get Serbia? Any chance for Serbia to exercise the right of territorial integrity and sovereignity over Kosovo? Not the slightest....The "status neutrality" to me means insecurity an instability in the Balcans. Does that goes towards "normalization of relations". I very much doubt. Marry Christmas and Happy New Year to all peaceful people!

Problems occurred when a empire fell ,the British for Cyprus, and Communist Yugoslavia fell for Serbia.
The similarities that both Serb's and Shiptars ,won't admit.If it works for Cyprus ,then why not for Serbia.
Serbia join EU Union say 2020, like South Cyprus ( Greeks),as 1 country 2 Entities.
sasa.p,

Sasa peewee, get it thru your thick skull! Not in a 1000 years will Serbia enter Europe with Kosova as 1 with 2 entity's period! Or let me rephrase it to you in this way, if that were to happen Europe would in fact create its own collapse & eventual undoing as it will have incorporated a a current frozen conflict that will eventually turn to the reddest hot in the very near future, as the 97% majority of Kosova's population some 1.8 million, with another 4 million right there! It has been made quite clear that Kosova will never again allow itself to do nothing in conjunction with Serbia, it will not allow for any type of Serbian govern-ship, it will not allow for Serbian policing, military outposts, control of the borders, to make a long story short Serbia will never have control over anything in Kosova period!
I would say the EU is a lot more cautious then some numbnut as yourself Sasa!
Kosova belongs to her ancient people, so live with it pal, or come and try to reclaim her if you posses the nu.'s to do so!!!

To Explain How,
I give you the solution that can work,that's Cyprus. South Cyprus went to war(Cypriot's),as north Serbia ( Serb's),to fight North Cyprus ( Turk's), like South Serbia(Shiptars).
North Cyprus have a country next door called Turkey,like South Serbia have a country next door Albania. Exactly the same Orthodox leaders vs Muslim leaders.
Problems occurred when a empire fell ,the British for Cyprus, and Communist Yugoslavia fell for Serbia.
The similarities that both Serb's and Shiptars ,won't admit.If it works for Cyprus ,then why not for Serbia.
Serbia join EU Union say 2020, like South Cyprus ( Greeks),as 1 country 2 Entities.

yprus ,then why not for Serbia.
Serbia join EU Union say 2020, like South Cyprus ( Greeks),as 1 country 2 Entities.
(sasa.p, 25 December 2015 23

This is called dreaming with your eyes open.. Keep dreaming mate. You are far from the reality.

We will get there in UN with the support of our strongest nation / democracy on earth.

The one called Milosevic had this idea but is been distroyed, buried and smashed.. We will do that any time we have too.

Tell the American ambassador to go to hell.

Funny these sheshel people leading Serbs reacting - do you think it came as surprise? No long a go MR Kerry said THAT in Pristina.
Don't lie at your own people for the political goals. Rubbish..

Explain how, EA -

I appreciate your point of view, but every time someone throws out a idea, Albanians disregard it and go right back to "100% independence and there's nothing you can do about it"....Take sasa's idea with Cypriot or my idea with "more than automony, less then independence"...first thing you guys say is "no way" and then challenge Serbs to come up with something else. Well, let me pose the question.."what is YOUR plan?" If you say "things stay as they are, we're happier living in this quagmire than with the Serbs"...well, then so be it...but know this, wether you like it or not, the dynamics of the world are changing fast, very fast! Please don't put your hopes on the charity of the US forever, their memory lasts only as far as their interests take them...and your well being is not one of them. If you're their friend, they will sell you, if you're their enemy, they will buy you! Serbia, i'm sure you're not blind, is fast making up for lost time with progress.Sure, their government, like every government, had their issues...but Vucic is pushing Serbia toward respect and peace...Pristina should take advantage and work something out with him! The EU is working VERY hard to make sure Serbia aligns with them vs Russia and it is showing clearly...in Serbia's favor! Please understand (as we Srbs found out)...the EU & US will buy you for what you really are worth and sell you for what you think you're worth! COMMUNICATION is the answer!

Take sasa's idea with Cypriot or my idea with "more than automony, less then independence"
(Watcher, 26 December 2015 15:04)

The slogans aside, I have no idea what those ideas mean in practice! You can't be half pregnant, dear :)
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first thing you guys say is "no way" and then challenge Serbs to come up with something else.
(Watcher, 26 December 2015 15:04)

Not sure who is challenging Serbia to come up with anything in regards to Kosovo!
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Well, let me pose the question.."what is YOUR plan?"
(Watcher, 26 December 2015 15:04)

Kosovo's plan is to continue being outside of Serbia's control for as long as possible (at a minimum, for as long as UNSCR 1244 is in force to guarantee that Serbia's forces don't control Kosovo)
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If you say "things stay as they are, we're happier living in this quagmire than with the Serbs"...
(Watcher, 26 December 2015 15:04)

Kosovo has not said that it does not want to live with Serbs. Kosovo does not want to live under Serbia's control and it has achieved that already thanks to UNSCR 1244
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wether you like it or not, the dynamics of the world are changing fast, very fast!
(Watcher, 26 December 2015 15:04)

Well, make sure to tell that news to Serbia
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Please don't put your hopes on the charity of the US forever
(Watcher, 26 December 2015 15:04)

Well, why not use the US as long as possible?! For sure, the US is better than Serbia! Should Kosovo put its hopes on Serbia?!

Under normal circumstances, this statement by the US ambassador would be grounds for the revocation of his diplomatic status for interfering in Serbia's internal affairs. But until Serbia gets a government that views itself as a sovereign authority, we cannot expect any appropriate response from Belgrade.

So, as an alternative, if highly visible involvement in each others' internal affairs is to be the norm, perhaps Serbia could offer to "help" the USA by:

1. having Serbia's ambassador in Washington visit the site of every mass killing in the USA to talk to US media about US culture and to offer mass psychiatric counseling

2. having the Serbian ambassador promote an "arm the victims" campaign for poor Black communities in major US cities to get group discounts for buying and carrying tens of thousands of excellent Serbian-made Zastava pistols to protect themselves from unconstitutional White police brutality

3. having the Serbian embassy open a consulate in a majority Hispanic area of the USA near the Mexican border to provide the same "help" to separatist Hispanics that the US embassy gave to separatist Albanian terrorists in Serbian Kosovo...

I would like to see a videotaped response from "ambassador-meddler" Kirby to such an offer to do onto the USA exactly as the USA has done onto Serbia... it would make for good watching and might even go "viral" so that Kirby could add a few hundred friends on Facebook.

;-)

COMMUNICATION is the answer!
(Watcher, 26 December 2015 15:04)

Well Warcher if that is the case, then blood shall flow in southern Europe yet again, this time on a scale of biblical proportion, as their is no way in hell that 1.8 million inhabitants of the Republic Of Kosova will ever allow for Serbia to just walk into Kosova for the pickings of her choice1 We Albanians are very accustom to our relations with Serbia, some 1200 years worth, and we know quite well both of our history's!

The similarities that both Serb's and Shiptars ,won't admit.If it works for Cyprus ,then why not for Serbia.
Serbia join EU Union say 2020, like South Cyprus ( Greeks),as 1 country 2 Entities.
(sasa.p, 25 December 2015 23:23)

It did not work well with Cyprus so the EU is not going to make the same error twice and import another Cyprus-like problem... it's that simple!

Sasa,

Just because there are some similarities between the situation in Cyprus and Serbia-Kosovo, doesn't mean that the EU will accept another state under the same conditions. Serbia doesn't dictate to the EU under which conditions it'll be accepted. the EU doesn't want another Cyprus.

The actions of Serbs are very clear and they recognize in many ways kosovo independence. Serbs compete against Kosovo athletes in sports events, go through customs and border posts at the Kosovo Serbia border, train to be border guards and customs agents on Kosovo Serbia border, host and attend international events where Kosovo is represented as a sovereign independent nation, polls say 63% of Serbia recognizes Kosovo independence. The Serbian government refuses to schedule a referendum on removing Kosovo from serbias constituion because they are afraid of treason charges. But no one would charge and even if they did there would be no conviction.

Huff and puff as much as you want. A lion doesn't lose sleep over the opinion of sheeps.

I see the reality every day. I cross the borders and I see Kosova Border Police. My Passport has the Flag of Kosova on it. I go to the Ambassy of Kosova to get a new ID and Passport. I elect Kosova officials and get upset if our constitution is violated.

Serbia is joining EU and Kosvo will join too, as the independent country that we are. Times are changing and its somehow funny to know that you are sitting somewhere in Serbia getting angry over some borderline BS because you have nothing else you could do. You have no power little sheep. How does that make you feel?

Explain how, EA -

I appreciate your point of view, but every time someone throws out a idea, Albanians disregard it and go right back to "100% independence and there's nothing you can do about it"....Take sasa's idea with Cypriot or my idea with "more than automony, less then independence"...first thing you guys say is "no way" and then challenge Serbs to come up with something else. Well, let me pose the question.."what is YOUR plan?"
(Watcher, 26 December 2015 15:04)


The time has come and gone, along time ago, to discuss new ideas, as you suggest. The Ahtisaari Plan has been agreed on by both Albanians and Serbs, otherwise, why have both sides signed off on both the Brussels April 2013 and August2015 documents now being negotiated. You are frustrated and, obviously, don't understand the contents of the previously agreed documents which are based on Ahtisaari. This does not give you the right to reinterpret them to your liking. Whether Serbia manages or not to join the EU in no way prevents Kosova from becoming an UN member, either on its own or by joining with Albania. Do not be confused the West is unconditionally opposed to Kosova joining Albania, it is only until Russia has stalled enough to convince the West it is time to allow the merger. However, I personally feel Kosova will join the UN on its own since Russia is economically unravelling as we speak and has bigger fish to fry. See my comments on Kirby's statement concerning Kosova joining the UN.

sj

Im on this site because of my general interest in politics. B92 is one of the few good english sites from Serbia and I`m not going away as long as they post my comments.

As for your monasteries. Why do you serbs always keep bringing up them anyway? No one is going to take them away from you and you cannot use them for some stupid claim over the land or anything. If you are looking for a silly fight over history, then I`m the wrong person because I couldnt care less even if Sava from Serbia was still alive to tell the story.

Kosovo is inhabitated by 90% Albanians. I dont even care what lead to this. It is how it is and there is no going back. Look at how your Government is acting. They already know it, its time you, the people, wake up too.

Last but not least, I use this Site to exercise my newly won freedom. Under no circumstances could I have talked like this if Kosova was still under Serbian rule without the fear of repression or any other form of discrimination. You might not realize this but your Government and Society are no different than the Mullahs in Iran to us.

Maybe they are right. Kosovo shouldnt join UN any time soon. After all the UN has high requirements and obligations.

Without UN Kosvo can handle a few things a little more... Progressive.

I bet Prime Minister Aleksandar Vucic knew what Kirbi thinks before he said it. All this talk from Serb politicians is theater for domestic politics. After all there is talk about new elections. People have to be lied.

Declare Kirby persona non grata and throw him out of the country. That's the only way to deal with these anti- Serbian racists who spread their propaganda freely. Serbia should follow the example of Vladimir Putin, the leader of the free world, who expelled Soros and all his anti-Russian NGO's.
Cheers!!

To ICJ and the rest of the Albanian's,
I have given you a country called Cyprus, that would be very similar to the problem's ,that Serbia has,with same history and similar situation at present.
I give you Albanian's an realistic opportunity to came to a solution, that will meet both parties (Belgrade, Pristina) happy!.
Please don't give me bull stories, like "you can't be a half pregnant" and we where under Serb rule ( You where under Yugoslav rule and Communist's TITO,and Milosevic rule) Leave that peasants say's, else where.
At present situation, Serbia is moving forward, and even in Novi Pazar is moving forward ,with hositals and school just completed. Serbia investor's in the last 6 month's are arriving ,with countries alist,Cuba,Argentina, Brazil, Japan,China,Vietnam, South Korea, UAE,Iran,Kazakhstan, Belarus, Russia, ,EU countries, and even USA.
If a solution can't be found,than that suits Serbia fine at present situation.Serbia is progressing economic fast,( That I am shock).While Albania and Pristina are at snail pace.
Again I say,please don't give peasantry and village explaining 's, Give me a realistic solution that will work ,like I gave everyone (Cyprus).

Kosova all you like but until Serbia recognises it your still full of it and nothing more.
(sj, 28 December 2015 13:09)

Exactly!. Kosovo is never going to become a country for Serbia until Serbia recognizes it. However, it is a sin and really unfortunate that 110+ countries have decided that Kosovo is country for them without taking into account Serbia's opinion. But, I'm sure, the CE of B92 forums sj will find a solution for that sin!
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And if the United States of Piss and Wind could change that they would have done so already
(sj, 28 December 2015 13:09)

Thanks God that has no chance of happening because the CE of B92 forums sj has already ruled that the United States of Piss and Wind has already collapsed and run out of cash, so nobody has to worry about them anymore. Let all thank the CE of B92 forums sj for making that a reality!
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I’d love to see those titles that you have to all those monasteries, churches that go back to prehistoric times LOL, boy you were on some wacky tobacky that day.
(sj, 28 December 2015 13:09)

Oh finally! I'd love to see those prehistoric titles too :) I'm sure that now that the CE of B92 forums sj has asked for them, our dear friends, the most patriotic of Serbs, will finally produce them! As always, thank you to the CE of B92 forums sj for stepping in to resolve this matter, as well.

P.S. CE = Chief Economist

To ICJ
I have given you a country called Cyprus, that would be very similar to the problem's ,that Serbia has,with same history and similar situation at present.
(sasa.p, 28 December 2015 09:48)

Ok, great. I'm sure that Serbs will love you finding countries that are similar to Serbia. Not sure why should I care about that though!
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I give you Albanian's an realistic opportunity to came to a solution, that will meet both parties (Belgrade, Pristina) happy!.
(sasa.p, 28 December 2015 09:48)

Well, thanks but Kosovo did not ask you to give it any opportunity. I'm sure though Kosovo appreciates your concern about the well-being of Kosovars!
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At present situation, Serbia is moving forward, and even in Novi Pazar is moving forward ,with hositals and school just completed. Serbia investor's in the last 6 month's are arriving ,with countries alist,Cuba,Argentina, Brazil, Japan,China,Vietnam, South Korea, UAE,Iran,Kazakhstan, Belarus, Russia, ,EU countries, and even USA.
If a solution can't be found,than that suits Serbia fine at present situation.
(sasa.p, 28 December 2015 09:48)

Ok, great! So it appears that Serbia is happy and is making great progress. According to the Kosovars, they are also happy with Kosovo not being under Serbia's control. So everybody is happy and so let the happiness continue. What solution for what need to be found? I don't get why a status quo that both parties are happy with should change!

who cares what this "diplomat" says, actually? We´ve seen how important the US value them in Benghazi, right?

I can give the Albanians only one advice: learn serbian, you will need it. sooner or later.

ps: Since I didn´t come here for a longer time ( due to the bullshit the Albanians are writing on a serbian news-site ) is there still this naive boy who was trying to create the impression of being an american from San Francisco?
Who wrote about the US as the "one-and-only-global-superpower"? =)

well, I hope he reads this: You were a fool, and very likely ARE a fool.

let´s just see what future brings...

Declare Kirby persona non grata and throw him out of the country. That's the only way to deal with these anti- Serbian racists who spread their propaganda freely. Serbia should follow the example of Vladimir Putin, the leader of the free world, who expelled Soros and all his anti-Russian NGO's.
Cheers!!

(Gjon Marku, 28 December 2015 11:56

If it’s a fait accompli why are you posting on B92, LOL. Kosova all you like but until Serbia recognises it your still full of it and nothing more.
And if the United States of Piss and Wind could change that they would have done so already but the windy ones are talk and little more as we see on the world stage LOL.
I’d love to see those titles that you have to all those monasteries, churches that go back to prehistoric times LOL, boy you were on some wacky tobacky that day.

Oh finally! I'd love to see those prehistoric titles too :) I'm sure that now that the CE of B92 forums sj has asked for them, our dear friends, the most patriotic of Serbs, will finally produce them! As always, thank you to the CE of B92 forums sj for stepping in to resolve this matter, as well.

P.S. CE = Chief Economist
(icj1, 28 December 2015 23:58)

Oh AI you have been into the egg nogg a tad too much or perhaps smoking something, LOl LOL, LOL.

Mr Kibry US representative in Belgrade. Don't you think his statement doesn't represent the US form stance?? This Milosevic puppy - US fully supports the negotiations aswell. But negotiation will and will lead (with the support of the strongest democracy on earth)To the membership of UN.
US is not the bitch like EU. Where the GIPSY'S from Spain Greek
and ROMAnia have been given the right to say yes and NO.
Milosevic puppy when KOSOVO what you gonna do then?

For some reason, Serbia is convinced that everything will go their way. Serbia, knows very well what the agreements signed back in April 2013 covered. I am sure that Dacic, who was the PM at the time knows everything Michael Kirby said is spot on. Dacic is trying to convince Serbs otherwise, and that may not be hard to do. As far as everyone else, we know Serbia has cornered herself in a tough position.
U.N. is just one of the barriers Serbia will have to get through, recognition is definitely the real deal. EU, U.S. are not about to let Serbia join in EU with all the neighborly problems that surround her. There is a reason why chapter 35 is one of the first one on the agenda. If serbia can manage to get through chapter 35, the rest of the chapters will be a cakewalk for Serbia. Had it not been for Kosova's issue, Serbia would have been in EU by now.

"Serbia will not change its principled policy, with full commitment to dialogue as the only way to resolve all outstanding issues,"

This put you in a tough position Dacic but tell us what is the outcome that will satisfy both parties, Kosovo being part of Serbia is not supported by 96% of population of Kosovo.

Lets be pragmatic and share a solution that really makes sense for all, and i am asking Serb friends in this forum tell us something as pragmatic as it can be as speaking about past has gotton us nowhere.

Where is the policy of "status neutrality" will get Serbia? Any chance for Serbia to exercise the right of territorial integrity and sovereignity over Kosovo? Not the slightest....The "status neutrality" to me means insecurity an instability in the Balcans. Does that goes towards "normalization of relations". I very much doubt. Marry Christmas and Happy New Year to all peaceful people!

Tell the American ambassador to go to hell.

To Explain How,
I give you the solution that can work,that's Cyprus. South Cyprus went to war(Cypriot's),as north Serbia ( Serb's),to fight North Cyprus ( Turk's), like South Serbia(Shiptars).
North Cyprus have a country next door called Turkey,like South Serbia have a country next door Albania. Exactly the same Orthodox leaders vs Muslim leaders.
Problems occurred when a empire fell ,the British for Cyprus, and Communist Yugoslavia fell for Serbia.
The similarities that both Serb's and Shiptars ,won't admit.If it works for Cyprus ,then why not for Serbia.
Serbia join EU Union say 2020, like South Cyprus ( Greeks),as 1 country 2 Entities.

Problems occurred when a empire fell ,the British for Cyprus, and Communist Yugoslavia fell for Serbia.
The similarities that both Serb's and Shiptars ,won't admit.If it works for Cyprus ,then why not for Serbia.
Serbia join EU Union say 2020, like South Cyprus ( Greeks),as 1 country 2 Entities.
sasa.p,

Sasa peewee, get it thru your thick skull! Not in a 1000 years will Serbia enter Europe with Kosova as 1 with 2 entity's period! Or let me rephrase it to you in this way, if that were to happen Europe would in fact create its own collapse & eventual undoing as it will have incorporated a a current frozen conflict that will eventually turn to the reddest hot in the very near future, as the 97% majority of Kosova's population some 1.8 million, with another 4 million right there! It has been made quite clear that Kosova will never again allow itself to do nothing in conjunction with Serbia, it will not allow for any type of Serbian govern-ship, it will not allow for Serbian policing, military outposts, control of the borders, to make a long story short Serbia will never have control over anything in Kosova period!
I would say the EU is a lot more cautious then some numbnut as yourself Sasa!
Kosova belongs to her ancient people, so live with it pal, or come and try to reclaim her if you posses the nu.'s to do so!!!

yprus ,then why not for Serbia.
Serbia join EU Union say 2020, like South Cyprus ( Greeks),as 1 country 2 Entities.
(sasa.p, 25 December 2015 23

This is called dreaming with your eyes open.. Keep dreaming mate. You are far from the reality.

We will get there in UN with the support of our strongest nation / democracy on earth.

The one called Milosevic had this idea but is been distroyed, buried and smashed.. We will do that any time we have too.

Declare Kirby persona non grata and throw him out of the country. That's the only way to deal with these anti- Serbian racists who spread their propaganda freely. Serbia should follow the example of Vladimir Putin, the leader of the free world, who expelled Soros and all his anti-Russian NGO's.
Cheers!!

who cares what this "diplomat" says, actually? We´ve seen how important the US value them in Benghazi, right?

I can give the Albanians only one advice: learn serbian, you will need it. sooner or later.

ps: Since I didn´t come here for a longer time ( due to the bullshit the Albanians are writing on a serbian news-site ) is there still this naive boy who was trying to create the impression of being an american from San Francisco?
Who wrote about the US as the "one-and-only-global-superpower"? =)

well, I hope he reads this: You were a fool, and very likely ARE a fool.

let´s just see what future brings...

Explain how, EA -

I appreciate your point of view, but every time someone throws out a idea, Albanians disregard it and go right back to "100% independence and there's nothing you can do about it"....Take sasa's idea with Cypriot or my idea with "more than automony, less then independence"...first thing you guys say is "no way" and then challenge Serbs to come up with something else. Well, let me pose the question.."what is YOUR plan?" If you say "things stay as they are, we're happier living in this quagmire than with the Serbs"...well, then so be it...but know this, wether you like it or not, the dynamics of the world are changing fast, very fast! Please don't put your hopes on the charity of the US forever, their memory lasts only as far as their interests take them...and your well being is not one of them. If you're their friend, they will sell you, if you're their enemy, they will buy you! Serbia, i'm sure you're not blind, is fast making up for lost time with progress.Sure, their government, like every government, had their issues...but Vucic is pushing Serbia toward respect and peace...Pristina should take advantage and work something out with him! The EU is working VERY hard to make sure Serbia aligns with them vs Russia and it is showing clearly...in Serbia's favor! Please understand (as we Srbs found out)...the EU & US will buy you for what you really are worth and sell you for what you think you're worth! COMMUNICATION is the answer!

COMMUNICATION is the answer!
(Watcher, 26 December 2015 15:04)

Well Warcher if that is the case, then blood shall flow in southern Europe yet again, this time on a scale of biblical proportion, as their is no way in hell that 1.8 million inhabitants of the Republic Of Kosova will ever allow for Serbia to just walk into Kosova for the pickings of her choice1 We Albanians are very accustom to our relations with Serbia, some 1200 years worth, and we know quite well both of our history's!

To ICJ and the rest of the Albanian's,
I have given you a country called Cyprus, that would be very similar to the problem's ,that Serbia has,with same history and similar situation at present.
I give you Albanian's an realistic opportunity to came to a solution, that will meet both parties (Belgrade, Pristina) happy!.
Please don't give me bull stories, like "you can't be a half pregnant" and we where under Serb rule ( You where under Yugoslav rule and Communist's TITO,and Milosevic rule) Leave that peasants say's, else where.
At present situation, Serbia is moving forward, and even in Novi Pazar is moving forward ,with hositals and school just completed. Serbia investor's in the last 6 month's are arriving ,with countries alist,Cuba,Argentina, Brazil, Japan,China,Vietnam, South Korea, UAE,Iran,Kazakhstan, Belarus, Russia, ,EU countries, and even USA.
If a solution can't be found,than that suits Serbia fine at present situation.Serbia is progressing economic fast,( That I am shock).While Albania and Pristina are at snail pace.
Again I say,please don't give peasantry and village explaining 's, Give me a realistic solution that will work ,like I gave everyone (Cyprus).

Funny these sheshel people leading Serbs reacting - do you think it came as surprise? No long a go MR Kerry said THAT in Pristina.
Don't lie at your own people for the political goals. Rubbish..

Under normal circumstances, this statement by the US ambassador would be grounds for the revocation of his diplomatic status for interfering in Serbia's internal affairs. But until Serbia gets a government that views itself as a sovereign authority, we cannot expect any appropriate response from Belgrade.

So, as an alternative, if highly visible involvement in each others' internal affairs is to be the norm, perhaps Serbia could offer to "help" the USA by:

1. having Serbia's ambassador in Washington visit the site of every mass killing in the USA to talk to US media about US culture and to offer mass psychiatric counseling

2. having the Serbian ambassador promote an "arm the victims" campaign for poor Black communities in major US cities to get group discounts for buying and carrying tens of thousands of excellent Serbian-made Zastava pistols to protect themselves from unconstitutional White police brutality

3. having the Serbian embassy open a consulate in a majority Hispanic area of the USA near the Mexican border to provide the same "help" to separatist Hispanics that the US embassy gave to separatist Albanian terrorists in Serbian Kosovo...

I would like to see a videotaped response from "ambassador-meddler" Kirby to such an offer to do onto the USA exactly as the USA has done onto Serbia... it would make for good watching and might even go "viral" so that Kirby could add a few hundred friends on Facebook.

;-)

Huff and puff as much as you want. A lion doesn't lose sleep over the opinion of sheeps.

I see the reality every day. I cross the borders and I see Kosova Border Police. My Passport has the Flag of Kosova on it. I go to the Ambassy of Kosova to get a new ID and Passport. I elect Kosova officials and get upset if our constitution is violated.

Serbia is joining EU and Kosvo will join too, as the independent country that we are. Times are changing and its somehow funny to know that you are sitting somewhere in Serbia getting angry over some borderline BS because you have nothing else you could do. You have no power little sheep. How does that make you feel?

(Gjon Marku, 28 December 2015 11:56

If it’s a fait accompli why are you posting on B92, LOL. Kosova all you like but until Serbia recognises it your still full of it and nothing more.
And if the United States of Piss and Wind could change that they would have done so already but the windy ones are talk and little more as we see on the world stage LOL.
I’d love to see those titles that you have to all those monasteries, churches that go back to prehistoric times LOL, boy you were on some wacky tobacky that day.

Sasa,

Just because there are some similarities between the situation in Cyprus and Serbia-Kosovo, doesn't mean that the EU will accept another state under the same conditions. Serbia doesn't dictate to the EU under which conditions it'll be accepted. the EU doesn't want another Cyprus.

The actions of Serbs are very clear and they recognize in many ways kosovo independence. Serbs compete against Kosovo athletes in sports events, go through customs and border posts at the Kosovo Serbia border, train to be border guards and customs agents on Kosovo Serbia border, host and attend international events where Kosovo is represented as a sovereign independent nation, polls say 63% of Serbia recognizes Kosovo independence. The Serbian government refuses to schedule a referendum on removing Kosovo from serbias constituion because they are afraid of treason charges. But no one would charge and even if they did there would be no conviction.

Declare Kirby persona non grata and throw him out of the country. That's the only way to deal with these anti- Serbian racists who spread their propaganda freely. Serbia should follow the example of Vladimir Putin, the leader of the free world, who expelled Soros and all his anti-Russian NGO's.
Cheers!!

Oh finally! I'd love to see those prehistoric titles too :) I'm sure that now that the CE of B92 forums sj has asked for them, our dear friends, the most patriotic of Serbs, will finally produce them! As always, thank you to the CE of B92 forums sj for stepping in to resolve this matter, as well.

P.S. CE = Chief Economist
(icj1, 28 December 2015 23:58)

Oh AI you have been into the egg nogg a tad too much or perhaps smoking something, LOl LOL, LOL.

Maybe they are right. Kosovo shouldnt join UN any time soon. After all the UN has high requirements and obligations.

Without UN Kosvo can handle a few things a little more... Progressive.

The similarities that both Serb's and Shiptars ,won't admit.If it works for Cyprus ,then why not for Serbia.
Serbia join EU Union say 2020, like South Cyprus ( Greeks),as 1 country 2 Entities.
(sasa.p, 25 December 2015 23:23)

It did not work well with Cyprus so the EU is not going to make the same error twice and import another Cyprus-like problem... it's that simple!

Take sasa's idea with Cypriot or my idea with "more than automony, less then independence"
(Watcher, 26 December 2015 15:04)

The slogans aside, I have no idea what those ideas mean in practice! You can't be half pregnant, dear :)
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first thing you guys say is "no way" and then challenge Serbs to come up with something else.
(Watcher, 26 December 2015 15:04)

Not sure who is challenging Serbia to come up with anything in regards to Kosovo!
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Well, let me pose the question.."what is YOUR plan?"
(Watcher, 26 December 2015 15:04)

Kosovo's plan is to continue being outside of Serbia's control for as long as possible (at a minimum, for as long as UNSCR 1244 is in force to guarantee that Serbia's forces don't control Kosovo)
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If you say "things stay as they are, we're happier living in this quagmire than with the Serbs"...
(Watcher, 26 December 2015 15:04)

Kosovo has not said that it does not want to live with Serbs. Kosovo does not want to live under Serbia's control and it has achieved that already thanks to UNSCR 1244
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wether you like it or not, the dynamics of the world are changing fast, very fast!
(Watcher, 26 December 2015 15:04)

Well, make sure to tell that news to Serbia
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Please don't put your hopes on the charity of the US forever
(Watcher, 26 December 2015 15:04)

Well, why not use the US as long as possible?! For sure, the US is better than Serbia! Should Kosovo put its hopes on Serbia?!

sj

Im on this site because of my general interest in politics. B92 is one of the few good english sites from Serbia and I`m not going away as long as they post my comments.

As for your monasteries. Why do you serbs always keep bringing up them anyway? No one is going to take them away from you and you cannot use them for some stupid claim over the land or anything. If you are looking for a silly fight over history, then I`m the wrong person because I couldnt care less even if Sava from Serbia was still alive to tell the story.

Kosovo is inhabitated by 90% Albanians. I dont even care what lead to this. It is how it is and there is no going back. Look at how your Government is acting. They already know it, its time you, the people, wake up too.

Last but not least, I use this Site to exercise my newly won freedom. Under no circumstances could I have talked like this if Kosova was still under Serbian rule without the fear of repression or any other form of discrimination. You might not realize this but your Government and Society are no different than the Mullahs in Iran to us.

Kosova all you like but until Serbia recognises it your still full of it and nothing more.
(sj, 28 December 2015 13:09)

Exactly!. Kosovo is never going to become a country for Serbia until Serbia recognizes it. However, it is a sin and really unfortunate that 110+ countries have decided that Kosovo is country for them without taking into account Serbia's opinion. But, I'm sure, the CE of B92 forums sj will find a solution for that sin!
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And if the United States of Piss and Wind could change that they would have done so already
(sj, 28 December 2015 13:09)

Thanks God that has no chance of happening because the CE of B92 forums sj has already ruled that the United States of Piss and Wind has already collapsed and run out of cash, so nobody has to worry about them anymore. Let all thank the CE of B92 forums sj for making that a reality!
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I’d love to see those titles that you have to all those monasteries, churches that go back to prehistoric times LOL, boy you were on some wacky tobacky that day.
(sj, 28 December 2015 13:09)

Oh finally! I'd love to see those prehistoric titles too :) I'm sure that now that the CE of B92 forums sj has asked for them, our dear friends, the most patriotic of Serbs, will finally produce them! As always, thank you to the CE of B92 forums sj for stepping in to resolve this matter, as well.

P.S. CE = Chief Economist

Explain how, EA -

I appreciate your point of view, but every time someone throws out a idea, Albanians disregard it and go right back to "100% independence and there's nothing you can do about it"....Take sasa's idea with Cypriot or my idea with "more than automony, less then independence"...first thing you guys say is "no way" and then challenge Serbs to come up with something else. Well, let me pose the question.."what is YOUR plan?"
(Watcher, 26 December 2015 15:04)


The time has come and gone, along time ago, to discuss new ideas, as you suggest. The Ahtisaari Plan has been agreed on by both Albanians and Serbs, otherwise, why have both sides signed off on both the Brussels April 2013 and August2015 documents now being negotiated. You are frustrated and, obviously, don't understand the contents of the previously agreed documents which are based on Ahtisaari. This does not give you the right to reinterpret them to your liking. Whether Serbia manages or not to join the EU in no way prevents Kosova from becoming an UN member, either on its own or by joining with Albania. Do not be confused the West is unconditionally opposed to Kosova joining Albania, it is only until Russia has stalled enough to convince the West it is time to allow the merger. However, I personally feel Kosova will join the UN on its own since Russia is economically unravelling as we speak and has bigger fish to fry. See my comments on Kirby's statement concerning Kosova joining the UN.

I bet Prime Minister Aleksandar Vucic knew what Kirbi thinks before he said it. All this talk from Serb politicians is theater for domestic politics. After all there is talk about new elections. People have to be lied.

To ICJ
I have given you a country called Cyprus, that would be very similar to the problem's ,that Serbia has,with same history and similar situation at present.
(sasa.p, 28 December 2015 09:48)

Ok, great. I'm sure that Serbs will love you finding countries that are similar to Serbia. Not sure why should I care about that though!
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I give you Albanian's an realistic opportunity to came to a solution, that will meet both parties (Belgrade, Pristina) happy!.
(sasa.p, 28 December 2015 09:48)

Well, thanks but Kosovo did not ask you to give it any opportunity. I'm sure though Kosovo appreciates your concern about the well-being of Kosovars!
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At present situation, Serbia is moving forward, and even in Novi Pazar is moving forward ,with hositals and school just completed. Serbia investor's in the last 6 month's are arriving ,with countries alist,Cuba,Argentina, Brazil, Japan,China,Vietnam, South Korea, UAE,Iran,Kazakhstan, Belarus, Russia, ,EU countries, and even USA.
If a solution can't be found,than that suits Serbia fine at present situation.
(sasa.p, 28 December 2015 09:48)

Ok, great! So it appears that Serbia is happy and is making great progress. According to the Kosovars, they are also happy with Kosovo not being under Serbia's control. So everybody is happy and so let the happiness continue. What solution for what need to be found? I don't get why a status quo that both parties are happy with should change!

Mr Kibry US representative in Belgrade. Don't you think his statement doesn't represent the US form stance?? This Milosevic puppy - US fully supports the negotiations aswell. But negotiation will and will lead (with the support of the strongest democracy on earth)To the membership of UN.
US is not the bitch like EU. Where the GIPSY'S from Spain Greek
and ROMAnia have been given the right to say yes and NO.
Milosevic puppy when KOSOVO what you gonna do then?