EC comments on "association of Albanian municipalities"

If Serbia is smart, democratic, a factor of stability and truly in the mode of having reconciliatory relations with one of Southern Europe's largest ethnic group the Albanians, then she should allow for this decision to set up a majority Albanians community within their lands of Presevo, bujonavac, and Medvedja! It is only fair in the democratic world that the Albanians in this region have the same rights the minority Serbs of The Republic Of Kosova have been given, they are asking for nothing more, and should be given nothing less! So what shall it be Serbia, True Peace & stability or the same primitive Serbian policies of the past which were discriminatory to the extreme when it came to democratic rights the Albanians of Southern Europe demanded? Ball is in your court Serbia?

Damn it. Well I guess there are other ways to disturb the peace. It's been a long time since they've made a play for Trepca. I guess start with that again

When will albanians realize that their 15 minutes of fame is over long long ago. These so called albanian municipalities is like albanian history: only recognized by their own.

This article is a mix of propaganda, false statements, and true statements.

EC has not commented or will ever comment on the Albanian association in southern serbia, Presheva Valley.

It is the choice of Albanian community to set up or not an association and they have chosen to do so on the basis of reciprocity.

No one can stop the Albanian association as they have already set up such associations previously, referring to serbian association in bosnia hercegovina and Kosovo.

Serbian diplomacy isn't as clever as you may think.

LOL! Ethnic Albanians and their delusions. If they believe they can attempt to succeed from countries where they form the majority with western support then why shouldn't Serbs be allowed to succeed from countries where they form the majority? Isn't that democracy? LOL!

But wait, those ethnic Albanians in central Serbia had consultations with FYROM, "Kosovah"*** and Albania. Doesn't that make a difference? Funny, those troublemakers of the Balkans. They even come here to cause trouble.

@MikeC

When will Serbs realize that Kosovo is independent. By the way they can't ask for more rights for Kosovo Serbs when Albanians in Serbia have little or no rights. Few days ago when Albanians wanted to go and vote in Medvedja from Kosovo, Serbia closed its border to them, even though, they are citizens of Serbia. Arab refugees can enter Serbia faster than Albanians of Presheva Valley. Doesn't that tell you something?

If Albanians are that concerned about reciprocity, they shouldn't have a problem with Greeks of Northern Epirus creating an Association of Greek Municipalities. I fully expect them to support in their own country what they demand in other countries.

"Arab refugees can enter Serbia faster than Albanians of Presheva Valley. Doesn't that tell you something?"

Avni

It tell me that arabs are more respected then albanians, and that says a lot. Besides, arabs will exit Serbia faster then they entered. If albanians did the same we'd let you in too.

It is only fair in the democratic world that the Albanians in this region have the same rights the minority Serbs of The Republic Of Kosova have been given,
(Rocky, 15 September 2015 16:33)

Newsflash braniac: the so-called "Republic of Kosova" didn't give the Serbs anything except threats to destroy any minority rights they claimed. What rights the Kosovo Serbs have are given exclusively by the European Union and the Ahtisaari Plan. Albanians have had nothing to do with Serb rights. If anything, they've been constantly trying to take them away.

Whatever rights Serbs in Kosovo have is because they need them to protect themselves against latent Albanian racism that in other places where Albanians control, have all but stamped out the smallest minority rights for other communities: Roma, Ashkali, Gorani, and of course whatever minorities are left in Albania that haven't been subjected to the worst forms of forced assimilation in Europe.
You yourself have been known to make some of the most racist and bombastic statements against Serbs on this site, so don't even start trying to pass yourself off as a voice of moral equality and human rights. Whenever someone mentions the Greeks, you and others quickly get defensive at any thought of minority rights so spare me the damn we all know you don't give.

If Albanians are that concerned about reciprocity, they shouldn't have a problem with Greeks of Northern Epirus creating an Association of Greek Municipalities. I fully expect them to support in their own country what they demand in other countries.
(Navi, 15 September 2015 19:54)

No problem at all. I support it.
(j, 16 September 2015 04:42)


Navi,
I believe an AGM already exists for Greeks in Albania. And unlike Greece, Albania did not force minority Greeks to change their name and religion in order to live and work in Albania. This further confirms Greek chauvinism is alive and well. Greek History Professor Maria Efthimiou states that at the time of the Greek war of independence, 1821-1829, Albanians made up more than 40% of the population of Greece. Moreover, she noted Greece could not have gained independence from the Ottoman Empire without the help of Albanian Officers and Albanian warriors.

Thank you for pointing out the painfully obvious that many here still are still having a hard time comprehending.

If Albanians are that concerned about reciprocity, they shouldn't have a problem with Greeks of Northern Epirus creating an Association of Greek Municipalities. I fully expect them to support in their own country what they demand in other countries.
(Navi, 15 September 2015 19:54)

No problem at all. I support it.

When will Serbs realize that Kosovo is independent?
@Avni

Never. you should just get on with it.....and expect obstacles and roadblocks every step of the way.

Oops, secede, not succeed.

Never. you should just get on with it.....and expect obstacles and roadblocks every step of the way.
(factman, 16 September 2015 04:30)
Very true, but as time has progressed those roadblocks where Serbs were dancing in the street because they were putting Kosovo in what seemed like perpetual limbo, have gradually been replaced with "reduced speed ahead" signs and speed bumps.
No one said the road to independence would be an easy one. But look at history the US declared independence in 1776 then fought a horrible war at the expense of many many lives, and was able to create a constitution forming a government over the next 13 years.
With all the roadblocks, Kosovo is still ahead by that scale.

By the way the US still uses the original constitution now 226 years later. Countries that were able to do it in less time have had many, many constitutions in that time. How many constitutions has Serbia had and how easy is it to change, after all they were able to add the part about Kosovo being an integral part in an afternoon session. It takes months to years to change the US constitution.
Maybe roadblocks and slowdowns and having to fight for everything you obtain is not such a bad thing?

Yawn.

I'd rather watch Cspan-3 than read about this again.

Never. you should just get on with it.....and expect obstacles and roadblocks every step of the way.
(factman, 16 September 2015 04:30)

Ok, but other than providing some spiritual pleasure for some Serbs how will the above help Serbia get Kosovo back?! Only idiots can expect Kosovo to ask to join Serbia as a result of Serbia's "obstacles and roadblocks every step of the way"!

icj1,

You're 100% correct, but you don't understand their mentality nor their mythologies.

Mythologies are the most powerful things on the earth.

Rule number 1 is to understand the other guy.

Serbia occupies a very tough neighborhood for centuries. This has created a very refined strategy of survival against superior powers that roll thru every so often.

They ain't gonna change (even if it seems self destructive to the outsider)

A New Day,

Sorry, but it ain't gonna change.

You're deceiving yourself.

This ain't Jeffersonian Virginia.

And you don't understand Serbs.

But don't feel bad, no one else does either :)

You see, this is their sustaining mythology and to forsake it is the greatest of all self-destruction

To them this ain't about the constitution or joining the EU. That is a Brussels formulation and it will lose that vote.

By the way, the effort that changed the constitution "in an afternoon" actually began about 40 years ago.

Finally, I am not a nationalist. I despise Milosevic's Serbia. And I have great admiration for the many qualities of the Albanian people. But I also despise the racist anti-Serb propaganda machine and have particular scorn for diplomats who use a pen like the barrel of a gun.

When will albanians realize that their 15 minutes of fame is over long long ago. These so called albanian municipalities is like albanian history: only recognized by their own.

@MikeC

When will Serbs realize that Kosovo is independent. By the way they can't ask for more rights for Kosovo Serbs when Albanians in Serbia have little or no rights. Few days ago when Albanians wanted to go and vote in Medvedja from Kosovo, Serbia closed its border to them, even though, they are citizens of Serbia. Arab refugees can enter Serbia faster than Albanians of Presheva Valley. Doesn't that tell you something?

If Serbia is smart, democratic, a factor of stability and truly in the mode of having reconciliatory relations with one of Southern Europe's largest ethnic group the Albanians, then she should allow for this decision to set up a majority Albanians community within their lands of Presevo, bujonavac, and Medvedja! It is only fair in the democratic world that the Albanians in this region have the same rights the minority Serbs of The Republic Of Kosova have been given, they are asking for nothing more, and should be given nothing less! So what shall it be Serbia, True Peace & stability or the same primitive Serbian policies of the past which were discriminatory to the extreme when it came to democratic rights the Albanians of Southern Europe demanded? Ball is in your court Serbia?

This article is a mix of propaganda, false statements, and true statements.

EC has not commented or will ever comment on the Albanian association in southern serbia, Presheva Valley.

It is the choice of Albanian community to set up or not an association and they have chosen to do so on the basis of reciprocity.

No one can stop the Albanian association as they have already set up such associations previously, referring to serbian association in bosnia hercegovina and Kosovo.

Serbian diplomacy isn't as clever as you may think.

Damn it. Well I guess there are other ways to disturb the peace. It's been a long time since they've made a play for Trepca. I guess start with that again

LOL! Ethnic Albanians and their delusions. If they believe they can attempt to succeed from countries where they form the majority with western support then why shouldn't Serbs be allowed to succeed from countries where they form the majority? Isn't that democracy? LOL!

But wait, those ethnic Albanians in central Serbia had consultations with FYROM, "Kosovah"*** and Albania. Doesn't that make a difference? Funny, those troublemakers of the Balkans. They even come here to cause trouble.

If Albanians are that concerned about reciprocity, they shouldn't have a problem with Greeks of Northern Epirus creating an Association of Greek Municipalities. I fully expect them to support in their own country what they demand in other countries.

"Arab refugees can enter Serbia faster than Albanians of Presheva Valley. Doesn't that tell you something?"

Avni

It tell me that arabs are more respected then albanians, and that says a lot. Besides, arabs will exit Serbia faster then they entered. If albanians did the same we'd let you in too.

It is only fair in the democratic world that the Albanians in this region have the same rights the minority Serbs of The Republic Of Kosova have been given,
(Rocky, 15 September 2015 16:33)

Newsflash braniac: the so-called "Republic of Kosova" didn't give the Serbs anything except threats to destroy any minority rights they claimed. What rights the Kosovo Serbs have are given exclusively by the European Union and the Ahtisaari Plan. Albanians have had nothing to do with Serb rights. If anything, they've been constantly trying to take them away.

Whatever rights Serbs in Kosovo have is because they need them to protect themselves against latent Albanian racism that in other places where Albanians control, have all but stamped out the smallest minority rights for other communities: Roma, Ashkali, Gorani, and of course whatever minorities are left in Albania that haven't been subjected to the worst forms of forced assimilation in Europe.
You yourself have been known to make some of the most racist and bombastic statements against Serbs on this site, so don't even start trying to pass yourself off as a voice of moral equality and human rights. Whenever someone mentions the Greeks, you and others quickly get defensive at any thought of minority rights so spare me the damn we all know you don't give.

When will Serbs realize that Kosovo is independent?
@Avni

Never. you should just get on with it.....and expect obstacles and roadblocks every step of the way.

Thank you for pointing out the painfully obvious that many here still are still having a hard time comprehending.

Oops, secede, not succeed.

Yawn.

I'd rather watch Cspan-3 than read about this again.

If Albanians are that concerned about reciprocity, they shouldn't have a problem with Greeks of Northern Epirus creating an Association of Greek Municipalities. I fully expect them to support in their own country what they demand in other countries.
(Navi, 15 September 2015 19:54)

No problem at all. I support it.
(j, 16 September 2015 04:42)


Navi,
I believe an AGM already exists for Greeks in Albania. And unlike Greece, Albania did not force minority Greeks to change their name and religion in order to live and work in Albania. This further confirms Greek chauvinism is alive and well. Greek History Professor Maria Efthimiou states that at the time of the Greek war of independence, 1821-1829, Albanians made up more than 40% of the population of Greece. Moreover, she noted Greece could not have gained independence from the Ottoman Empire without the help of Albanian Officers and Albanian warriors.

If Albanians are that concerned about reciprocity, they shouldn't have a problem with Greeks of Northern Epirus creating an Association of Greek Municipalities. I fully expect them to support in their own country what they demand in other countries.
(Navi, 15 September 2015 19:54)

No problem at all. I support it.

Never. you should just get on with it.....and expect obstacles and roadblocks every step of the way.
(factman, 16 September 2015 04:30)

Ok, but other than providing some spiritual pleasure for some Serbs how will the above help Serbia get Kosovo back?! Only idiots can expect Kosovo to ask to join Serbia as a result of Serbia's "obstacles and roadblocks every step of the way"!

Never. you should just get on with it.....and expect obstacles and roadblocks every step of the way.
(factman, 16 September 2015 04:30)
Very true, but as time has progressed those roadblocks where Serbs were dancing in the street because they were putting Kosovo in what seemed like perpetual limbo, have gradually been replaced with "reduced speed ahead" signs and speed bumps.
No one said the road to independence would be an easy one. But look at history the US declared independence in 1776 then fought a horrible war at the expense of many many lives, and was able to create a constitution forming a government over the next 13 years.
With all the roadblocks, Kosovo is still ahead by that scale.

By the way the US still uses the original constitution now 226 years later. Countries that were able to do it in less time have had many, many constitutions in that time. How many constitutions has Serbia had and how easy is it to change, after all they were able to add the part about Kosovo being an integral part in an afternoon session. It takes months to years to change the US constitution.
Maybe roadblocks and slowdowns and having to fight for everything you obtain is not such a bad thing?

icj1,

You're 100% correct, but you don't understand their mentality nor their mythologies.

Mythologies are the most powerful things on the earth.

Rule number 1 is to understand the other guy.

Serbia occupies a very tough neighborhood for centuries. This has created a very refined strategy of survival against superior powers that roll thru every so often.

They ain't gonna change (even if it seems self destructive to the outsider)

A New Day,

Sorry, but it ain't gonna change.

You're deceiving yourself.

This ain't Jeffersonian Virginia.

And you don't understand Serbs.

But don't feel bad, no one else does either :)

You see, this is their sustaining mythology and to forsake it is the greatest of all self-destruction

To them this ain't about the constitution or joining the EU. That is a Brussels formulation and it will lose that vote.

By the way, the effort that changed the constitution "in an afternoon" actually began about 40 years ago.

Finally, I am not a nationalist. I despise Milosevic's Serbia. And I have great admiration for the many qualities of the Albanian people. But I also despise the racist anti-Serb propaganda machine and have particular scorn for diplomats who use a pen like the barrel of a gun.