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Monday, 15.06.2015.

09:04

FM: Resolution on Srebrenica presented to Serbia

The United Kingdom Mission to the United Nations has presented to Serbia a proposed resolution on Srebrenica, Foreign Minister Ivica Dacic said on Sunday.

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Jeff

pre 8 godina

Dwight-that is where you are wrong. It is a well known fact Clinton and Izetbegovic discussed the need for "5000" dead to justify arming the Muslims. They were left high and dry by Izetbegovic. There were only a few hundred Serbian soldiers who overran Srebrenica with thousands of Muslims soldiers.

Michael Thomas

pre 8 godina

ned taylor

I watched British TV when the Moslem army column arrived in Tuzla. Most of the men were wearing army clothing, had guns in their hands and some had machine-gun bullets wrapped around their necks. There is no doubt that some of this Moslem column were fighting men. If fighting men broke through Serbian army defensive lines then casualties must have been expected. The question you need to address is how many Moslems were killed in the break-out battle? The official record of Serbian soldiers killed by the Srebrenica Moslem army column is about 350. Presumably these 350 Serbian soldiers managed to kill a few Moslems before they fell. Do you accept that some Moslems who broke out of Srebrenica were killed legitimately in battles? If Serbs, who were dug-in, with machine guns and mortars at the ready, were overrun and killed, my guess is that many Moslems will also have fallen in that battle – many more than 350. Were these Moslems “killed in action” or “victims of genocide?” The truth is that they are never mentioned at all. According to the CNN/BBC version of events, there was no battle, just a “massacre.” The Srebrenica “massacre” story was invented by NATO for its own purposes. NATO cares no more for Bosnian Moslems than it does for Serbs or Iraqis or Libyans. Those Moslems who fall for the NATO’s Srebrenica narrative are repeating the mistake they made when they voted to leave Yugoslavia. They are playing into the hands of their worst enemies – the NATO West.

Dwight

pre 8 godina

@Ari Gold
Naser Oric is accused of being involved/organising in killing several hundred people and what he did was terrible and he should hang for it,but it is still not on the scale, organisation and horror of Srebrenica.
If you go by numbers, Srebrenica is 15 times Naser Oric and carried out in a week instead of a year
I don't know a lot about Izetbegovic, but I don't recall him ordering the execution of 8000 unarmed prisoners, what exactly are you accusing him of, import of muslim mercenaries?

Jeff

pre 8 godina

Dwight, one of the main differences is that leading up to the fall of Srebrenica the Muslims attacked surrounding serbian villages, killing thousands of civilians, men women and children, while the killed Muslims were by and large active combatants. The execution of captured soldiers was payback, however horrible a crime it was.

Ari Gold

pre 8 godina

(Dwight, 16 June 2015 02:25)

At the Srebrenica memorial, there are roughly 4000 buried. I am not minimizing or denying anything. I am stating very clearly that very clearly that it was a terrible crime and those who were personally responsible should be brought to justice. But I reject the notion that the Serbs were somehow more systematic in their killing than Alija Izetbegovic and Naser Oric. I'm guessing the thousands of fighters from al-qaeda (and if they are alive today-ISIS) also wasn't "large scale"??

I acknowledge the role Serb paramilitaries had in Srebrenica. And some very important Bosnian Muslims are able to admit that Srebrenica simply wasn't a one-sided affair. https://theremustbejustice.wordpress.com/2014/01/23/sensational-confession-of-ibran-mustafic-bosnian-muslim-war-veteran-and-politician-we-were-killing-our-own-people-in-srebrenica-srebrenica/

Dwight

pre 8 godina

Ari Gold - denying, reducing the numbers, deflecting the blame, and trying to minimize the event
There have been 7,040 bodies discovered, 6,838 identified by 2012 of an estimated 8,100 murdered

No-one thinks that the Serbs didn't have a right to defend themselves. It is not that there were no crimes committed against Serbs. Its that the Serb crimes were sanctioned at the highest level and carried it in a large-scale organised manner.
Srebrenica was not a couple of Serbs angry that their granny was murdered, it was the deliberate, systematic, organised, large scale execution of 8000 unarmed people.
You don't just get angry and kill 8000 people, you need to find remote sites where you can do this without being discovered, you need to prepare the ground, you need excavators to dig holes, you need trucks to carry people there, you need to make sure you have enough ammunition, you need food and transport for the soldiers. You need sentries, mechanics, radios
Seriously, it was not enough to line up thousands of people with their hands tied, shoot them and bury them in pits!!!!, People actually went back and dug up the rotting corpses and moved them to new pits?
How any normal person can justify this is beyond me.

Peggy

pre 8 godina

"...as most migrants cross into Serbia from the EU. "

Is that guy serious?
(Adrian, 15 June 2015 11:10
================================
Seeing how Serbia does not have a coastline where do you think these migrants come from? Did they fly into Tesla airport? If they drove, where did they start from?
Can you answer these questions?

just a note

pre 8 godina

(Michael Thomas, 15 June 2015 16:27)
Interesting that more than 6000 remains have been uncovered in mass graves and identified by DNA but yet you have your miniscule claims. I guess it is up to each individual to determine who is lying, I choose to follow the rest of the world and say it is you.

ned taylor

pre 8 godina

Michael Thomas: Goodness me, you would make a great writer of fiction; your story sounds wonderful. Unfortunately the numbers you quote are completely invented but perhaps they were fed to you by the Serbian media and you are simply repeating them. I have no axe to grind with anyone but as someone who has worked closely with ICMP I can tell you that over 5000 bodies have been discovered in a range of mass graves in the Srebrenica municipality and none was wearing military uniform. I agree with many who say that some Bosniak politicians are trying to hijack the 20th anniversary for narrow political interests and this is unacceptable. it does not however change the basic facts. If you wish to continue to believe your version of events in the face of incontrovertible evidence then fill your boots, but you won't persuade very many outside Serbia, especially those who have seen first hand the horrific sights of the mass graves.

rote

pre 8 godina

pee me a river

"Then, the war started on April 2, 1992, and guess who started it, - the Muslims, by killing members of a wedding party.’

“IF what you say is true, which I highly doubt … Why bother writing such trash? The world knows the truth.”

Idiot the whole world knows it ! Father of the bride was killed and many were wounded. It provoked the Serbs to avenge. Then came other provocations in the American style. Like the strange mine shelling at the bazar when only feet were wounded because of the TNT charge exploded. If you have nothing to say then sit and read other comments and maybe you’ll learn something that the media not always tell.

By the way I think that the best thing Toma can do in the circumstances is to spend a couple of days with his people in Banja Luka. Serbian kebab is nothing worse and Milorad is a better partner than the new Izetbegovic. Especially now that Oric is arrested by accident while Dodik is the most reliable Serb today.

Pee ! Remember what I said - Dodik is the most reliable Serb today !

Teodor Muzaka 1389

pre 8 godina

I wonder if Serbian commentators in this forum will write the same comments if the Srebrenica victims were Serb.
I guess not.

cry me a river

pre 8 godina

"Then, the war started on April 2, 1992, and guess who started it, - the Muslims, by killing members of a wedding party. So guess who is guilty for the Srebrenica blown out incident."

IF what you say is true, which I highly doubt, then the actions of those individuals that you describe that would've been considered a terrorist attack and not a declaration of war.
Why bother writing such trash? The world knows the truth.

It's only fitting that the current administration deal with issue since they were the ones who played a major role in the killings of innocent people about twenty years ago.

Michael Thomas

pre 8 godina

When Bosnian Serbs walked into Srebrenica they were unopposed. A day earlier 10,000 heavily armed Moslems stood guard, but these men suddenly disappeared. Where did they go? They marched out of the town and headed for the Moslem-controlled town of Tuzla. Breaking through Serbian army lines they killed 350 Bosnian Serb soldiers. In these skirmishes the Moslem army column was hit mortars and machine guns. The bodies of about 2000 Moslems have been found in the woods. These men died in battle. In Srebrenica itself Moslem women and children and some men took shelter with the UN Dutch forces. Women and children were quickly dispatched to Sarajevo while the men were held to be swapped for Serbian prisoners. Moslems have recently accused the Dutch of failing to protect them which they claim led to the murder of 300 men who had surrendered in Potocari..

So Serbs may be guilty of murdering 300 Moslems, not 7000. The killing of 300 Moslems, if it happened, is a crime and should be punished, but it is not genocide and it does not compare with the killing of millions of Moslems in Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Syria, and Yemen which is clearly the responsibility of the blood-thirsty British and Americans.

Pope F

pre 8 godina

I see all kinds of lies in the comments but just to make it clear. The serbs started the war, they were attacking villages long before a gangster killed another gangster, the latter being a serb, and the srebrenica victims were civilians a large part of the Bosnian army was unarmed let alone civilians, the serbs rhat were killed were all armed and probably comitted atrocities, so ari gold and all the other jokers can lie to themselves.

Harambasa Jole

pre 8 godina

Lisbon Agreement of March 17, 1992, signed by the Serbian, Muslim and Croat leaders of Bosnia to peacefully resolve any difference and NOT to fight. It was the American ambassador, Zimmerman, in Belgrade that rushed to Alija Izetbegovic, Muslim leader, who gave them a "better deal" to remove his name from the Lisbon Agreement. Then, the war started on April 2, 1992, and guess who started it, - the Muslims, by killing members of a wedding party. So guess who is guilty for the Srebrenica blown out incident.

Ari Gold

pre 8 godina

Srebrenica is a manipulation, plain and simple. The number that is often quoted is 8000, and yet only 4000 have actually been buried. 4000 is no small number either, but it should be noted that all those who were killed were men of military age. The majority of them were in fact prisoners of war who took up arms. Also, Srebrenica was in response to what happened to Serbian civilians in Kravica and Bratunac. Again, is it excusable? No. Is it a horrible crime? Yes.

Is Srebrenica one-sided aggression comparable to the Armenian Genocide, Holocaust, Jasenovac, Darfur, East Timor...hell no

Ari Gold

pre 8 godina

Srebrenica is a manipulation, plain and simple. The number that is often quoted is 8000, and yet only 4000 have actually been buried. 4000 is no small number either, but it should be noted that all those who were killed were men of military age. The majority of them were in fact prisoners of war who took up arms. Also, Srebrenica was in response to what happened to Serbian civilians in Kravica and Bratunac. Again, is it excusable? No. Is it a horrible crime? Yes.

Is Srebrenica one-sided aggression comparable to the Armenian Genocide, Holocaust, Jasenovac, Darfur, East Timor...hell no

Harambasa Jole

pre 8 godina

Lisbon Agreement of March 17, 1992, signed by the Serbian, Muslim and Croat leaders of Bosnia to peacefully resolve any difference and NOT to fight. It was the American ambassador, Zimmerman, in Belgrade that rushed to Alija Izetbegovic, Muslim leader, who gave them a "better deal" to remove his name from the Lisbon Agreement. Then, the war started on April 2, 1992, and guess who started it, - the Muslims, by killing members of a wedding party. So guess who is guilty for the Srebrenica blown out incident.

Michael Thomas

pre 8 godina

When Bosnian Serbs walked into Srebrenica they were unopposed. A day earlier 10,000 heavily armed Moslems stood guard, but these men suddenly disappeared. Where did they go? They marched out of the town and headed for the Moslem-controlled town of Tuzla. Breaking through Serbian army lines they killed 350 Bosnian Serb soldiers. In these skirmishes the Moslem army column was hit mortars and machine guns. The bodies of about 2000 Moslems have been found in the woods. These men died in battle. In Srebrenica itself Moslem women and children and some men took shelter with the UN Dutch forces. Women and children were quickly dispatched to Sarajevo while the men were held to be swapped for Serbian prisoners. Moslems have recently accused the Dutch of failing to protect them which they claim led to the murder of 300 men who had surrendered in Potocari..

So Serbs may be guilty of murdering 300 Moslems, not 7000. The killing of 300 Moslems, if it happened, is a crime and should be punished, but it is not genocide and it does not compare with the killing of millions of Moslems in Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Syria, and Yemen which is clearly the responsibility of the blood-thirsty British and Americans.

Pope F

pre 8 godina

I see all kinds of lies in the comments but just to make it clear. The serbs started the war, they were attacking villages long before a gangster killed another gangster, the latter being a serb, and the srebrenica victims were civilians a large part of the Bosnian army was unarmed let alone civilians, the serbs rhat were killed were all armed and probably comitted atrocities, so ari gold and all the other jokers can lie to themselves.

Dwight

pre 8 godina

Ari Gold - denying, reducing the numbers, deflecting the blame, and trying to minimize the event
There have been 7,040 bodies discovered, 6,838 identified by 2012 of an estimated 8,100 murdered

No-one thinks that the Serbs didn't have a right to defend themselves. It is not that there were no crimes committed against Serbs. Its that the Serb crimes were sanctioned at the highest level and carried it in a large-scale organised manner.
Srebrenica was not a couple of Serbs angry that their granny was murdered, it was the deliberate, systematic, organised, large scale execution of 8000 unarmed people.
You don't just get angry and kill 8000 people, you need to find remote sites where you can do this without being discovered, you need to prepare the ground, you need excavators to dig holes, you need trucks to carry people there, you need to make sure you have enough ammunition, you need food and transport for the soldiers. You need sentries, mechanics, radios
Seriously, it was not enough to line up thousands of people with their hands tied, shoot them and bury them in pits!!!!, People actually went back and dug up the rotting corpses and moved them to new pits?
How any normal person can justify this is beyond me.

just a note

pre 8 godina

(Michael Thomas, 15 June 2015 16:27)
Interesting that more than 6000 remains have been uncovered in mass graves and identified by DNA but yet you have your miniscule claims. I guess it is up to each individual to determine who is lying, I choose to follow the rest of the world and say it is you.

Michael Thomas

pre 8 godina

ned taylor

I watched British TV when the Moslem army column arrived in Tuzla. Most of the men were wearing army clothing, had guns in their hands and some had machine-gun bullets wrapped around their necks. There is no doubt that some of this Moslem column were fighting men. If fighting men broke through Serbian army defensive lines then casualties must have been expected. The question you need to address is how many Moslems were killed in the break-out battle? The official record of Serbian soldiers killed by the Srebrenica Moslem army column is about 350. Presumably these 350 Serbian soldiers managed to kill a few Moslems before they fell. Do you accept that some Moslems who broke out of Srebrenica were killed legitimately in battles? If Serbs, who were dug-in, with machine guns and mortars at the ready, were overrun and killed, my guess is that many Moslems will also have fallen in that battle – many more than 350. Were these Moslems “killed in action” or “victims of genocide?” The truth is that they are never mentioned at all. According to the CNN/BBC version of events, there was no battle, just a “massacre.” The Srebrenica “massacre” story was invented by NATO for its own purposes. NATO cares no more for Bosnian Moslems than it does for Serbs or Iraqis or Libyans. Those Moslems who fall for the NATO’s Srebrenica narrative are repeating the mistake they made when they voted to leave Yugoslavia. They are playing into the hands of their worst enemies – the NATO West.

Dwight

pre 8 godina

@Ari Gold
Naser Oric is accused of being involved/organising in killing several hundred people and what he did was terrible and he should hang for it,but it is still not on the scale, organisation and horror of Srebrenica.
If you go by numbers, Srebrenica is 15 times Naser Oric and carried out in a week instead of a year
I don't know a lot about Izetbegovic, but I don't recall him ordering the execution of 8000 unarmed prisoners, what exactly are you accusing him of, import of muslim mercenaries?

Teodor Muzaka 1389

pre 8 godina

I wonder if Serbian commentators in this forum will write the same comments if the Srebrenica victims were Serb.
I guess not.

rote

pre 8 godina

pee me a river

"Then, the war started on April 2, 1992, and guess who started it, - the Muslims, by killing members of a wedding party.’

“IF what you say is true, which I highly doubt … Why bother writing such trash? The world knows the truth.”

Idiot the whole world knows it ! Father of the bride was killed and many were wounded. It provoked the Serbs to avenge. Then came other provocations in the American style. Like the strange mine shelling at the bazar when only feet were wounded because of the TNT charge exploded. If you have nothing to say then sit and read other comments and maybe you’ll learn something that the media not always tell.

By the way I think that the best thing Toma can do in the circumstances is to spend a couple of days with his people in Banja Luka. Serbian kebab is nothing worse and Milorad is a better partner than the new Izetbegovic. Especially now that Oric is arrested by accident while Dodik is the most reliable Serb today.

Pee ! Remember what I said - Dodik is the most reliable Serb today !

cry me a river

pre 8 godina

"Then, the war started on April 2, 1992, and guess who started it, - the Muslims, by killing members of a wedding party. So guess who is guilty for the Srebrenica blown out incident."

IF what you say is true, which I highly doubt, then the actions of those individuals that you describe that would've been considered a terrorist attack and not a declaration of war.
Why bother writing such trash? The world knows the truth.

It's only fitting that the current administration deal with issue since they were the ones who played a major role in the killings of innocent people about twenty years ago.

Ari Gold

pre 8 godina

(Dwight, 16 June 2015 02:25)

At the Srebrenica memorial, there are roughly 4000 buried. I am not minimizing or denying anything. I am stating very clearly that very clearly that it was a terrible crime and those who were personally responsible should be brought to justice. But I reject the notion that the Serbs were somehow more systematic in their killing than Alija Izetbegovic and Naser Oric. I'm guessing the thousands of fighters from al-qaeda (and if they are alive today-ISIS) also wasn't "large scale"??

I acknowledge the role Serb paramilitaries had in Srebrenica. And some very important Bosnian Muslims are able to admit that Srebrenica simply wasn't a one-sided affair. https://theremustbejustice.wordpress.com/2014/01/23/sensational-confession-of-ibran-mustafic-bosnian-muslim-war-veteran-and-politician-we-were-killing-our-own-people-in-srebrenica-srebrenica/

Jeff

pre 8 godina

Dwight-that is where you are wrong. It is a well known fact Clinton and Izetbegovic discussed the need for "5000" dead to justify arming the Muslims. They were left high and dry by Izetbegovic. There were only a few hundred Serbian soldiers who overran Srebrenica with thousands of Muslims soldiers.

ned taylor

pre 8 godina

Michael Thomas: Goodness me, you would make a great writer of fiction; your story sounds wonderful. Unfortunately the numbers you quote are completely invented but perhaps they were fed to you by the Serbian media and you are simply repeating them. I have no axe to grind with anyone but as someone who has worked closely with ICMP I can tell you that over 5000 bodies have been discovered in a range of mass graves in the Srebrenica municipality and none was wearing military uniform. I agree with many who say that some Bosniak politicians are trying to hijack the 20th anniversary for narrow political interests and this is unacceptable. it does not however change the basic facts. If you wish to continue to believe your version of events in the face of incontrovertible evidence then fill your boots, but you won't persuade very many outside Serbia, especially those who have seen first hand the horrific sights of the mass graves.

Jeff

pre 8 godina

Dwight, one of the main differences is that leading up to the fall of Srebrenica the Muslims attacked surrounding serbian villages, killing thousands of civilians, men women and children, while the killed Muslims were by and large active combatants. The execution of captured soldiers was payback, however horrible a crime it was.

Peggy

pre 8 godina

"...as most migrants cross into Serbia from the EU. "

Is that guy serious?
(Adrian, 15 June 2015 11:10
================================
Seeing how Serbia does not have a coastline where do you think these migrants come from? Did they fly into Tesla airport? If they drove, where did they start from?
Can you answer these questions?

Ari Gold

pre 8 godina

Srebrenica is a manipulation, plain and simple. The number that is often quoted is 8000, and yet only 4000 have actually been buried. 4000 is no small number either, but it should be noted that all those who were killed were men of military age. The majority of them were in fact prisoners of war who took up arms. Also, Srebrenica was in response to what happened to Serbian civilians in Kravica and Bratunac. Again, is it excusable? No. Is it a horrible crime? Yes.

Is Srebrenica one-sided aggression comparable to the Armenian Genocide, Holocaust, Jasenovac, Darfur, East Timor...hell no

Pope F

pre 8 godina

I see all kinds of lies in the comments but just to make it clear. The serbs started the war, they were attacking villages long before a gangster killed another gangster, the latter being a serb, and the srebrenica victims were civilians a large part of the Bosnian army was unarmed let alone civilians, the serbs rhat were killed were all armed and probably comitted atrocities, so ari gold and all the other jokers can lie to themselves.

Michael Thomas

pre 8 godina

When Bosnian Serbs walked into Srebrenica they were unopposed. A day earlier 10,000 heavily armed Moslems stood guard, but these men suddenly disappeared. Where did they go? They marched out of the town and headed for the Moslem-controlled town of Tuzla. Breaking through Serbian army lines they killed 350 Bosnian Serb soldiers. In these skirmishes the Moslem army column was hit mortars and machine guns. The bodies of about 2000 Moslems have been found in the woods. These men died in battle. In Srebrenica itself Moslem women and children and some men took shelter with the UN Dutch forces. Women and children were quickly dispatched to Sarajevo while the men were held to be swapped for Serbian prisoners. Moslems have recently accused the Dutch of failing to protect them which they claim led to the murder of 300 men who had surrendered in Potocari..

So Serbs may be guilty of murdering 300 Moslems, not 7000. The killing of 300 Moslems, if it happened, is a crime and should be punished, but it is not genocide and it does not compare with the killing of millions of Moslems in Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Syria, and Yemen which is clearly the responsibility of the blood-thirsty British and Americans.

Harambasa Jole

pre 8 godina

Lisbon Agreement of March 17, 1992, signed by the Serbian, Muslim and Croat leaders of Bosnia to peacefully resolve any difference and NOT to fight. It was the American ambassador, Zimmerman, in Belgrade that rushed to Alija Izetbegovic, Muslim leader, who gave them a "better deal" to remove his name from the Lisbon Agreement. Then, the war started on April 2, 1992, and guess who started it, - the Muslims, by killing members of a wedding party. So guess who is guilty for the Srebrenica blown out incident.

cry me a river

pre 8 godina

"Then, the war started on April 2, 1992, and guess who started it, - the Muslims, by killing members of a wedding party. So guess who is guilty for the Srebrenica blown out incident."

IF what you say is true, which I highly doubt, then the actions of those individuals that you describe that would've been considered a terrorist attack and not a declaration of war.
Why bother writing such trash? The world knows the truth.

It's only fitting that the current administration deal with issue since they were the ones who played a major role in the killings of innocent people about twenty years ago.

rote

pre 8 godina

pee me a river

"Then, the war started on April 2, 1992, and guess who started it, - the Muslims, by killing members of a wedding party.’

“IF what you say is true, which I highly doubt … Why bother writing such trash? The world knows the truth.”

Idiot the whole world knows it ! Father of the bride was killed and many were wounded. It provoked the Serbs to avenge. Then came other provocations in the American style. Like the strange mine shelling at the bazar when only feet were wounded because of the TNT charge exploded. If you have nothing to say then sit and read other comments and maybe you’ll learn something that the media not always tell.

By the way I think that the best thing Toma can do in the circumstances is to spend a couple of days with his people in Banja Luka. Serbian kebab is nothing worse and Milorad is a better partner than the new Izetbegovic. Especially now that Oric is arrested by accident while Dodik is the most reliable Serb today.

Pee ! Remember what I said - Dodik is the most reliable Serb today !

Jeff

pre 8 godina

Dwight-that is where you are wrong. It is a well known fact Clinton and Izetbegovic discussed the need for "5000" dead to justify arming the Muslims. They were left high and dry by Izetbegovic. There were only a few hundred Serbian soldiers who overran Srebrenica with thousands of Muslims soldiers.

Dwight

pre 8 godina

Ari Gold - denying, reducing the numbers, deflecting the blame, and trying to minimize the event
There have been 7,040 bodies discovered, 6,838 identified by 2012 of an estimated 8,100 murdered

No-one thinks that the Serbs didn't have a right to defend themselves. It is not that there were no crimes committed against Serbs. Its that the Serb crimes were sanctioned at the highest level and carried it in a large-scale organised manner.
Srebrenica was not a couple of Serbs angry that their granny was murdered, it was the deliberate, systematic, organised, large scale execution of 8000 unarmed people.
You don't just get angry and kill 8000 people, you need to find remote sites where you can do this without being discovered, you need to prepare the ground, you need excavators to dig holes, you need trucks to carry people there, you need to make sure you have enough ammunition, you need food and transport for the soldiers. You need sentries, mechanics, radios
Seriously, it was not enough to line up thousands of people with their hands tied, shoot them and bury them in pits!!!!, People actually went back and dug up the rotting corpses and moved them to new pits?
How any normal person can justify this is beyond me.

Ari Gold

pre 8 godina

(Dwight, 16 June 2015 02:25)

At the Srebrenica memorial, there are roughly 4000 buried. I am not minimizing or denying anything. I am stating very clearly that very clearly that it was a terrible crime and those who were personally responsible should be brought to justice. But I reject the notion that the Serbs were somehow more systematic in their killing than Alija Izetbegovic and Naser Oric. I'm guessing the thousands of fighters from al-qaeda (and if they are alive today-ISIS) also wasn't "large scale"??

I acknowledge the role Serb paramilitaries had in Srebrenica. And some very important Bosnian Muslims are able to admit that Srebrenica simply wasn't a one-sided affair. https://theremustbejustice.wordpress.com/2014/01/23/sensational-confession-of-ibran-mustafic-bosnian-muslim-war-veteran-and-politician-we-were-killing-our-own-people-in-srebrenica-srebrenica/

Michael Thomas

pre 8 godina

ned taylor

I watched British TV when the Moslem army column arrived in Tuzla. Most of the men were wearing army clothing, had guns in their hands and some had machine-gun bullets wrapped around their necks. There is no doubt that some of this Moslem column were fighting men. If fighting men broke through Serbian army defensive lines then casualties must have been expected. The question you need to address is how many Moslems were killed in the break-out battle? The official record of Serbian soldiers killed by the Srebrenica Moslem army column is about 350. Presumably these 350 Serbian soldiers managed to kill a few Moslems before they fell. Do you accept that some Moslems who broke out of Srebrenica were killed legitimately in battles? If Serbs, who were dug-in, with machine guns and mortars at the ready, were overrun and killed, my guess is that many Moslems will also have fallen in that battle – many more than 350. Were these Moslems “killed in action” or “victims of genocide?” The truth is that they are never mentioned at all. According to the CNN/BBC version of events, there was no battle, just a “massacre.” The Srebrenica “massacre” story was invented by NATO for its own purposes. NATO cares no more for Bosnian Moslems than it does for Serbs or Iraqis or Libyans. Those Moslems who fall for the NATO’s Srebrenica narrative are repeating the mistake they made when they voted to leave Yugoslavia. They are playing into the hands of their worst enemies – the NATO West.

Peggy

pre 8 godina

"...as most migrants cross into Serbia from the EU. "

Is that guy serious?
(Adrian, 15 June 2015 11:10
================================
Seeing how Serbia does not have a coastline where do you think these migrants come from? Did they fly into Tesla airport? If they drove, where did they start from?
Can you answer these questions?

Teodor Muzaka 1389

pre 8 godina

I wonder if Serbian commentators in this forum will write the same comments if the Srebrenica victims were Serb.
I guess not.

Dwight

pre 8 godina

@Ari Gold
Naser Oric is accused of being involved/organising in killing several hundred people and what he did was terrible and he should hang for it,but it is still not on the scale, organisation and horror of Srebrenica.
If you go by numbers, Srebrenica is 15 times Naser Oric and carried out in a week instead of a year
I don't know a lot about Izetbegovic, but I don't recall him ordering the execution of 8000 unarmed prisoners, what exactly are you accusing him of, import of muslim mercenaries?

Jeff

pre 8 godina

Dwight, one of the main differences is that leading up to the fall of Srebrenica the Muslims attacked surrounding serbian villages, killing thousands of civilians, men women and children, while the killed Muslims were by and large active combatants. The execution of captured soldiers was payback, however horrible a crime it was.

ned taylor

pre 8 godina

Michael Thomas: Goodness me, you would make a great writer of fiction; your story sounds wonderful. Unfortunately the numbers you quote are completely invented but perhaps they were fed to you by the Serbian media and you are simply repeating them. I have no axe to grind with anyone but as someone who has worked closely with ICMP I can tell you that over 5000 bodies have been discovered in a range of mass graves in the Srebrenica municipality and none was wearing military uniform. I agree with many who say that some Bosniak politicians are trying to hijack the 20th anniversary for narrow political interests and this is unacceptable. it does not however change the basic facts. If you wish to continue to believe your version of events in the face of incontrovertible evidence then fill your boots, but you won't persuade very many outside Serbia, especially those who have seen first hand the horrific sights of the mass graves.

just a note

pre 8 godina

(Michael Thomas, 15 June 2015 16:27)
Interesting that more than 6000 remains have been uncovered in mass graves and identified by DNA but yet you have your miniscule claims. I guess it is up to each individual to determine who is lying, I choose to follow the rest of the world and say it is you.