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Russia was close to Yugoslav-style disintegration - Putin

Russia was "pretty close to following the Yugoslav scenario" in the late 1990s, President Vladimir Putin has told a meeting of the All-Russia Popular Front.

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rote

pre 9 godina

Arn.

THANK YOU so please remain in your world of illusions that :

1/ Parphenon was built not by the Ottomans though there are lots of pictures of how how it looked when these lands were passed to Greece.

2/ Mongols who never made more than 0,2% of the population of the Earth and left not a stain in anybody’s Y-DNA or a single document controlled the world for centuries.

3/ Indian Mahabharata describing in details the Kulikovo Battle of 1380 was written before Christ.

4/ Chinese history is not reflecting medieval history of the Mediterranean and the Great Horde and while small Russian minorities who merely make total 72 000 now were able to rule this country 500 years.

5/ Jerusalem was was the only one built in a dead stone desert 60 km away from the sea or a river or a crossroad plus one knows what happened there between 1500 and 1915

6/ two small provinces on Pyrenees divided the world while Britain , Germany, France, Sweden, Russia, Ottomans and even Papa took it as a matter of fact

7/ Islam and Christianity has never been one though on all medieval Russian Churches there’s Half Moon and there’s not a single old Mosque in Russia.

8/ Bible does not describe events of 14-16 centuries in the Great Horde

9/ Jesus was Jew despite what hid did and said

10/ multiple invaders of so called Migration Period immediately vaporized in Europe so people like Mauro Orbini were also idiots

Arn.Sweden.

pre 9 godina

To Rote !.

I am fully convinced that You and Your Teachers are victims of Historyfalcifications.

That written,
I stop here.

Arn.Sweden.

rote

pre 9 godina

Arn.

Ad hoc if B92 places it I can add that I can provide with multiple artifacts and other evidence of what I say. Sure the best source is … http://www.chronologia.org/en/index.html ... summarized in … http://www.chronologia.org/en/how_it_was/index.html But there are many others available mostly in Russian. See … http://www.kramola.info/ … especially … http://www.kramola.info/raznoe/karty/kramolnaja-karta ... About the objects that official science tries to ignore and other methods of manipulation of history. If you are patient enough in a few months you will everything that you know today. You will stop to believe in the phantom ancient Greece, Rome on the Apennines, Ancient India and China ect. You will know that the Bible was written in 1 and partly in 17 centuries and that in 1825 Tsar Nikolay 1 has burnt the Old Testament books that were first time printed here. For another 30 years he forbade as he said this Jewish book. All other religious books were presented at the same time including Tora and Quran and almost same time. Also read about … https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inter_caetera# … and … https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Tordesillas ... Don’t you find it strange that small Portugal and one of the Spanish provinces divided 3 big continents between themselves and nobody including several Papas was surprised ? The Treaty worked for some 500 years !!!

rote

pre 9 godina

Arn.

There are several problems stopping you from getting my meaning. They are 1500 character limit, too many issues that you raise and B92 Moderator who sometimes ignores my posts. See that he strted to place my respond from PART-3. Anyway Tartars as well as Mongols were pure Russians and only in the 19 century this name was attached to one of the Turk speaking people inhabiting Russia. 90% of history before 17 century was misinterpreted by Joseph Scaliger and Dionysius Petavius. But even Petavius said that Tatars were Russians. Version of history that I stick starts in 1152 when in Crimea Andrey Bogolubsky was born. In current history he reflected as Andronik I Komnin , Andrew the Apostle and Jesus Christ. Andrey spent most his life in Russia but in 1182 he was invited to rule Second Rome (Istanbul) but after 3 years he was tortured to death in Jerusalem (suburb of Istanbul) on Yoros Hill hippodrome. Russia immediately started the Crusaders Wars that lasted until 1329 when Slavs colonized 100% of Europe. Their rule lasted until 1584 when in Russia the fatal Great Smuta started and in 1613 Rurik Dynasty was replaced by the German puppet Romanovs. Other parts of the Great Horde refused to obey them and it brought to multiple wars against the multiple Tartarias. Capitol of the last Tartar Tsar was Tobolsk as you say but the western border was 300 - 500 km close to Moscow so the Romanovs flew to the Swedish border and settled in St. Peterburg.

ect/ect/ect

Peggy

pre 9 godina

The big mystery is why Russia help to free the Jews from German camps, only to turn around and do the same to their own citizens of the Jewish faith.
===============================
The big mystery is the death of millions of Jews by Russian hands.
When did that happen exactly?

Arn.Sweden.

pre 9 godina

Still I dont understand your Point.

That the Russians managed to chase away the Tartars ruling over Russians I think is as it should be.
So the Russians avenged themselves upon the Tartars and went Eastwards to the border with Canada doesnt bother me.

Further -

The Russians/Moskovians are not Slavs so your mentioning Slavic populations Eastwards is not correct.
But yes - Slavs from Novgordskaya Rus and Kievskaya Ros helped the Swedish Vikings from Ros to establish MOscovskaya Ros.
Many Slavs and Swedes mingled with the Moskovians and became their first Rulers.

Putin is as according to His name - a Slav - and not a Etnic Moscovite/Russian.

I dont know if we can come any further in our dialogue,
perhaps we lost the trac.

Arn.Sweden.

ROTE

pre 9 godina

Arn.

3/ The idea about some Mongolo-Tatars first came to the Romanovs in mid-17 century. After the Germans brought them to power in 1613 they always had problems with legitimacy. So they tried to wipe the real history off and exposed the Great Horde as a hostile power that came to rule us for centuries. I deliberately gave you links of only the European sources about the Tartars. Have a good look at the pictures and you will find out that until 1775 the Great Tartaria was the biggest state in the world and only it fall made the USA project real. You will be shocked to know how it happened. They were attacked both from Europe/Moscow and America. Lots of documents and other evidence escaped elimination. Also the empire was too big to be ruled from only one place especially after the bastards seized Moscow. So many smaller autonomous Tartarias existed in parallel. After the bloody coup in Moscow when the ruling Rurik Dynasty was totally eliminated until 1775 the Romanovs controlled only 5% of the empire. All other Khans refused to obey the Romanovs but with the help of Europeans one after several long and severe wars almost Tartarias (Pegaya, Kitayskaya, Independent, Blue ect.) were destroyed. Some other local ruling Slav dynasties were assimilated in China, India, Japan, Korea, Manjuria, Egypt, Syria, Persia, Spain, Mexico ect. Here I stop because you must be already thinking that rote is gone crazy. If not yet please feel free to insist on evidence.

Really?

pre 9 godina

I don't understand what you mean here.
The Jews and anyone else is free to leave Russia anytime they wish. There is no Soviet Union any longer.
(Peggy, 30 April 2015 01:23
Peggy you have said some really dumb things in the past but you cannot be even close to being serious on this statement can you.
The big mystery is why Russia help to free the Jews from German camps, only to turn around and do the same to their own citizens of the Jewish faith.
You are right there is no USSR army but there is still a very strong Russian army, and a leader that it is evident wishes to rebuild the USSR.

Arn.Sweden.

pre 9 godina

To Rote,

Karl the twelveth, the Swedish King,at War with Russia 1707-1709., had Mongols/Tartars in His army as Horsecaretakers.
Those Tartars came with Him to Sweden and are now in Sweden called - "Tattare" -!.

Those Tattare are overrepresentated in the Swedish Prisons and often fight with Knifves.

The Tartars originate from - Tobolsk - the head capital of Siberia,
from witch also VOLGA(Bolga) derives its name, and Hence the town of BOLGAR from wich the Bulgarians came to the Balkans.

Tubal in the Bible is the Forefather of all Turkish People -

Genesis 10 21st Century King James Version (KJ21)

10 Now these are the generations of the sons of Noah: Shem, Ham, and Japheth; and unto them were sons born after the flood.
2 The sons of Japheth: Gomer, and Magog, and Madai, and Javan, and Tubal, and Meshech, and Tiras.

Comment - Tubal is the Son of Japhet,
the forefather of all Seven Indoeuropean Peoples.

Mesek is also one of them.
And from Him comes the People in History called -

Saka - Masaka - Massagetae - Massaget -

Hence - Moskov/The Moskovites.

In eastern Iran is a town called - Mesched - and in Westurkistan is a town with similar name.

So - The Moskovites/Russians are not Turks/Tartars/Mongols.

They are two etnic different indoeuropean peoples.

Does this satisfie your request ?

Arn.Sweden.

Peggy

pre 9 godina

Russia will have to let the Jews in Russia to go free from Her.

Arn.Sweden.
(Arn.Sweden., 28 April 2015 17:41)
======================
I don't understand what you mean here.
The Jews and anyone else is free to leave Russia anytime they wish. There is no Soviet Union any longer.

Arn.Sweden.

pre 9 godina

To Rote -

Dear Sir -
I now the whole History of Russia,
from its birth until today.

But I dont see your point.
Russias population today is an estimated 150 Milions.

Ethnic groups (2010[1])
81.0% Russian
3.7% Tatar
1.4% Ukrainian
1.1% Bashkir
1.0% Chuvash
0.8% Chechen
11.0% others / unspecified

From -

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russia

So according to this only some 110 millions of Russias population is Russians.

Does this make me a Russophobe ?

Further -

So a disentigration of Russia is possible,
if the West can have its way with Her.

Putin will prevent this to what cost it will take !.

150 years Russia/Moscovskaya Ros,
was under the Tartar Yoke,
before She could fend them of.
Since then Russia has expanded Eastwards over and Beyond Her former Foes,
even untill the Border of Canada.

That doesnt make all Inhabitants of Russia Russians.

Arn.Sweden.

rote

pre 9 godina

Arn.

See more links and tell me about mongolo-tatars or the gengisides.

http://tartaria.su/%D0%A4%D0%B0%D0%B9%D0%BB:Tamer2.jpg
http://tartaria.su/%D0%A4%D0%B0%D0%B9%D0%BB:Tamer3.jpg
http://tartaria.su/%D0%A4%D0%B0%D0%B9%D0%BB:Tamer4.jpg
http://tartaria.su/%D0%A4%D0%B0%D0%B9%D0%BB:Tamer1.jpg
http://tartaria.su/%D0%A4%D0%B0%D0%B9%D0%BB:Tamer.jpg
http://tartaria.su/%D0%A4%D0%B0%D0%B9%D0%BB:%D0%94%D0%B6%D0%B0%D1%85%D0%B0%D0%BD.jpg
http://tartaria.su/%D0%A4%D0%B0%D0%B9%D0%BB:Pravi3.jpg
http://tartaria.su/%D0%A4%D0%B0%D0%B9%D0%BB:Pravi2.jpg
http://tartaria.su/%D0%A4%D0%B0%D0%B9%D0%BB:Pravi1.jpg
http://tartaria.su/%D0%A4%D0%B0%D0%B9%D0%BB:Got7.jpg
http://tartaria.su/%D0%A4%D0%B0%D0%B9%D0%BB:Got8.jpg

rote

pre 9 godina

Arnie

Please have a good look at the old maps below to understand why the Russians were called as the DISPERSED people but remember that the Great Tartaria was only one of the parts of our Great Horde. It appeared in 1613 when the Germans brought their Romanov puppets to power in Moscovia that merely made even 5% of the great empire. Also please read what is written on the upper edge of the map behind Putin here.

http://tartaria.su/%D0%A4%D0%B0%D0%B9%D0%BB:Grande_tartarie.jpg
http://tartaria.su/%D0%A4%D0%B0%D0%B9%D0%BB:Mosktart.jpg
http://tartaria.su/%D0%A4%D0%B0%D0%B9%D0%BB:Tart2.jpg
http://tartaria.su/%D0%92%D0%B5%D0%BB%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B0%D1%8F_%D0%A2%D0%B0%D1%80%D1%82%D0%B0%D1%80%D0%B8%D1%8F

Arn.Sweden.

pre 9 godina

To Rote - You Err !.

May I Remind you whom created the Russian State -

Moscowskaya Ros.

Ros is the name of a part of Sweden above our Capital.

Swedish vikings was the Creator of 3 Russian States.
The other two was -
Novgorodskaya Ros and Kievskaya Ros.

What I write is Reality and not Russophobia.

I am an Russophil.

Two weks ago i Had a dreamvision.

In the Vision Putin invited me to Coffe,
and we sat and had a Talk togheter.
after the Talk we Shaked hands.

How come that some Minds always missunderstand me ?

Its because in your case you Mind are Red and doesnt se any Further.

Arn.Sweden.

Comm. Parrisson

pre 9 godina

Totally nonsense. If you want to compare, you must compare it with the former Soviet Union. And it was 'disintegrated' long before - fortunately not the in the 'Yugoslav style', but peacefully into a dozen or so independent states.

And I agree, to some other posters here, the Russian support for Ukrainian separatists/terrorists who ironically work on the 'disintegration' will backfire on Russia in the long term.

Somewhere I read that Kadyrov in Chechnya allowed his security and police to open fire on Russian soldiers or secret service agents who are in Chechnya 'illegally'.

Bam Bam

pre 9 godina

@Dragoljub

An Atomic Bimb needs to be dropped on the Balkans. The parasites need to be wiped out. Death and destruction is the only way.

rote

pre 9 godina

Arnie

You always stop to be reasonable when it comes to Russia. But please explain me how came that for centuries Swedish Karls always had their burial services in Russian and in full accordance to the Orthodox traditions ? To help you I can say that they were Russians as well as many other famous dynasties of Europe. This is why presidents of France (like the Bourbons and Napoleon) always take oath putting their hands on the same old Russian Bible. I also have to remind you how Sweden became a neutral state. We f*cked you in every hole near Poltava and you lost any will to conduct wars. Since then you stopped to be the strongest state of the continent. Maybe here’s the main reason of you complex of inferiority. What you think ? Another suggestion is because Sweden today is a puppet dog of the USA so your Russophobia is a US made one. What you think ? Otherwise it’s hard to explain the fast increasing idiotism in your posts …

Blessed are the peacemakers

pre 9 godina

Russia was close to Yugoslav-style disintegration - Putin

Close and almost don't count Vlad. I was once close many times of winning the jackpot on a slot machine. I was also close to crapping my draws at least a dozen times but didn't. The Albanians from Kosova* had on their Nikes and were all close to Albania to make her Greater, but NATO acted on their behalf while you watched like a mouse from a hole in the wall while your Orthodox Serb brothers and sisters defended themselves from NATO's jets with sling shots. You see where I'm going with this? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cmpv0lWEdR0

Dragoljub Djurkovic

pre 9 godina

One big reason Russia survived and thrived is because of you Czar Vlade and other brave and smart Russian men and woman who made the right decisions to keep the Russian Empire powerfull and vigilant! Only a few years ago and Russia was witness what Satan accomplished in the Balkans! Jugoslavia a melting pot of the South Slav people for a short time in modern history prospered and then came Satan in the 1990's! In peace we Christian Eastern Orthodox people must prepare for war! What happened to Jugoslavia in the 1990's was a big warning sign to all Slavic Christian Eastern Orthodox people in Europe. The Satanic Final Solution, Isolation and Demonization of Christian Serbia by the Devil himself! Just look how the whole Roman Catholic Empire sided with Satan to destroy Eastern Orthodox Christianity in the Balkans! Devestation and destruction of Jugoslavia, lands lost, property stolen and horrific deaths of Slavic Eastern Orthodox Christian Serbian people, Russia witnessed and responded by building it's military strenght and capabilities! How do you survive big bullies, the only way is to become significantly more powerfull than they are! When the Devil gets a taste of sweet Eastern Orthodox blood he will come back for more and more. Russia and Czar Vlade know how to deal with evil intruders, they have been chewing up the enemy and spitting them back into the pit of hell for ages now! God Bless you Czar Vlade, long live Serbia and our most beloved Mother Russia!!!

Arn.Sweden.

pre 9 godina

The Danger of Disintegration will occur again,
when the conflict in Ukraine escalates.

You will have to inaugurate a Military Dictatorship in order to ceep Russia and the Russian People United.

And of cause Putin will be seen as the Devil.

Russia will have to let the Jews in Russia to go free from Her.

Arn.Sweden.

Dragoljub Djurkovic

pre 9 godina

One big reason Russia survived and thrived is because of you Czar Vlade and other brave and smart Russian men and woman who made the right decisions to keep the Russian Empire powerfull and vigilant! Only a few years ago and Russia was witness what Satan accomplished in the Balkans! Jugoslavia a melting pot of the South Slav people for a short time in modern history prospered and then came Satan in the 1990's! In peace we Christian Eastern Orthodox people must prepare for war! What happened to Jugoslavia in the 1990's was a big warning sign to all Slavic Christian Eastern Orthodox people in Europe. The Satanic Final Solution, Isolation and Demonization of Christian Serbia by the Devil himself! Just look how the whole Roman Catholic Empire sided with Satan to destroy Eastern Orthodox Christianity in the Balkans! Devestation and destruction of Jugoslavia, lands lost, property stolen and horrific deaths of Slavic Eastern Orthodox Christian Serbian people, Russia witnessed and responded by building it's military strenght and capabilities! How do you survive big bullies, the only way is to become significantly more powerfull than they are! When the Devil gets a taste of sweet Eastern Orthodox blood he will come back for more and more. Russia and Czar Vlade know how to deal with evil intruders, they have been chewing up the enemy and spitting them back into the pit of hell for ages now! God Bless you Czar Vlade, long live Serbia and our most beloved Mother Russia!!!

Arn.Sweden.

pre 9 godina

To Rote - You Err !.

May I Remind you whom created the Russian State -

Moscowskaya Ros.

Ros is the name of a part of Sweden above our Capital.

Swedish vikings was the Creator of 3 Russian States.
The other two was -
Novgorodskaya Ros and Kievskaya Ros.

What I write is Reality and not Russophobia.

I am an Russophil.

Two weks ago i Had a dreamvision.

In the Vision Putin invited me to Coffe,
and we sat and had a Talk togheter.
after the Talk we Shaked hands.

How come that some Minds always missunderstand me ?

Its because in your case you Mind are Red and doesnt se any Further.

Arn.Sweden.

Arn.Sweden.

pre 9 godina

To Rote !.

I am fully convinced that You and Your Teachers are victims of Historyfalcifications.

That written,
I stop here.

Arn.Sweden.

rote

pre 9 godina

Arnie

You always stop to be reasonable when it comes to Russia. But please explain me how came that for centuries Swedish Karls always had their burial services in Russian and in full accordance to the Orthodox traditions ? To help you I can say that they were Russians as well as many other famous dynasties of Europe. This is why presidents of France (like the Bourbons and Napoleon) always take oath putting their hands on the same old Russian Bible. I also have to remind you how Sweden became a neutral state. We f*cked you in every hole near Poltava and you lost any will to conduct wars. Since then you stopped to be the strongest state of the continent. Maybe here’s the main reason of you complex of inferiority. What you think ? Another suggestion is because Sweden today is a puppet dog of the USA so your Russophobia is a US made one. What you think ? Otherwise it’s hard to explain the fast increasing idiotism in your posts …

Arn.Sweden.

pre 9 godina

To Rote,

Karl the twelveth, the Swedish King,at War with Russia 1707-1709., had Mongols/Tartars in His army as Horsecaretakers.
Those Tartars came with Him to Sweden and are now in Sweden called - "Tattare" -!.

Those Tattare are overrepresentated in the Swedish Prisons and often fight with Knifves.

The Tartars originate from - Tobolsk - the head capital of Siberia,
from witch also VOLGA(Bolga) derives its name, and Hence the town of BOLGAR from wich the Bulgarians came to the Balkans.

Tubal in the Bible is the Forefather of all Turkish People -

Genesis 10 21st Century King James Version (KJ21)

10 Now these are the generations of the sons of Noah: Shem, Ham, and Japheth; and unto them were sons born after the flood.
2 The sons of Japheth: Gomer, and Magog, and Madai, and Javan, and Tubal, and Meshech, and Tiras.

Comment - Tubal is the Son of Japhet,
the forefather of all Seven Indoeuropean Peoples.

Mesek is also one of them.
And from Him comes the People in History called -

Saka - Masaka - Massagetae - Massaget -

Hence - Moskov/The Moskovites.

In eastern Iran is a town called - Mesched - and in Westurkistan is a town with similar name.

So - The Moskovites/Russians are not Turks/Tartars/Mongols.

They are two etnic different indoeuropean peoples.

Does this satisfie your request ?

Arn.Sweden.

Arn.Sweden.

pre 9 godina

The Danger of Disintegration will occur again,
when the conflict in Ukraine escalates.

You will have to inaugurate a Military Dictatorship in order to ceep Russia and the Russian People United.

And of cause Putin will be seen as the Devil.

Russia will have to let the Jews in Russia to go free from Her.

Arn.Sweden.

Comm. Parrisson

pre 9 godina

Totally nonsense. If you want to compare, you must compare it with the former Soviet Union. And it was 'disintegrated' long before - fortunately not the in the 'Yugoslav style', but peacefully into a dozen or so independent states.

And I agree, to some other posters here, the Russian support for Ukrainian separatists/terrorists who ironically work on the 'disintegration' will backfire on Russia in the long term.

Somewhere I read that Kadyrov in Chechnya allowed his security and police to open fire on Russian soldiers or secret service agents who are in Chechnya 'illegally'.

Arn.Sweden.

pre 9 godina

Still I dont understand your Point.

That the Russians managed to chase away the Tartars ruling over Russians I think is as it should be.
So the Russians avenged themselves upon the Tartars and went Eastwards to the border with Canada doesnt bother me.

Further -

The Russians/Moskovians are not Slavs so your mentioning Slavic populations Eastwards is not correct.
But yes - Slavs from Novgordskaya Rus and Kievskaya Ros helped the Swedish Vikings from Ros to establish MOscovskaya Ros.
Many Slavs and Swedes mingled with the Moskovians and became their first Rulers.

Putin is as according to His name - a Slav - and not a Etnic Moscovite/Russian.

I dont know if we can come any further in our dialogue,
perhaps we lost the trac.

Arn.Sweden.

rote

pre 9 godina

Arnie

Please have a good look at the old maps below to understand why the Russians were called as the DISPERSED people but remember that the Great Tartaria was only one of the parts of our Great Horde. It appeared in 1613 when the Germans brought their Romanov puppets to power in Moscovia that merely made even 5% of the great empire. Also please read what is written on the upper edge of the map behind Putin here.

http://tartaria.su/%D0%A4%D0%B0%D0%B9%D0%BB:Grande_tartarie.jpg
http://tartaria.su/%D0%A4%D0%B0%D0%B9%D0%BB:Mosktart.jpg
http://tartaria.su/%D0%A4%D0%B0%D0%B9%D0%BB:Tart2.jpg
http://tartaria.su/%D0%92%D0%B5%D0%BB%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B0%D1%8F_%D0%A2%D0%B0%D1%80%D1%82%D0%B0%D1%80%D0%B8%D1%8F

Arn.Sweden.

pre 9 godina

To Rote -

Dear Sir -
I now the whole History of Russia,
from its birth until today.

But I dont see your point.
Russias population today is an estimated 150 Milions.

Ethnic groups (2010[1])
81.0% Russian
3.7% Tatar
1.4% Ukrainian
1.1% Bashkir
1.0% Chuvash
0.8% Chechen
11.0% others / unspecified

From -

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russia

So according to this only some 110 millions of Russias population is Russians.

Does this make me a Russophobe ?

Further -

So a disentigration of Russia is possible,
if the West can have its way with Her.

Putin will prevent this to what cost it will take !.

150 years Russia/Moscovskaya Ros,
was under the Tartar Yoke,
before She could fend them of.
Since then Russia has expanded Eastwards over and Beyond Her former Foes,
even untill the Border of Canada.

That doesnt make all Inhabitants of Russia Russians.

Arn.Sweden.

Peggy

pre 9 godina

Russia will have to let the Jews in Russia to go free from Her.

Arn.Sweden.
(Arn.Sweden., 28 April 2015 17:41)
======================
I don't understand what you mean here.
The Jews and anyone else is free to leave Russia anytime they wish. There is no Soviet Union any longer.

Peggy

pre 9 godina

The big mystery is why Russia help to free the Jews from German camps, only to turn around and do the same to their own citizens of the Jewish faith.
===============================
The big mystery is the death of millions of Jews by Russian hands.
When did that happen exactly?

Blessed are the peacemakers

pre 9 godina

Russia was close to Yugoslav-style disintegration - Putin

Close and almost don't count Vlad. I was once close many times of winning the jackpot on a slot machine. I was also close to crapping my draws at least a dozen times but didn't. The Albanians from Kosova* had on their Nikes and were all close to Albania to make her Greater, but NATO acted on their behalf while you watched like a mouse from a hole in the wall while your Orthodox Serb brothers and sisters defended themselves from NATO's jets with sling shots. You see where I'm going with this? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cmpv0lWEdR0

rote

pre 9 godina

Arn.

See more links and tell me about mongolo-tatars or the gengisides.

http://tartaria.su/%D0%A4%D0%B0%D0%B9%D0%BB:Tamer2.jpg
http://tartaria.su/%D0%A4%D0%B0%D0%B9%D0%BB:Tamer3.jpg
http://tartaria.su/%D0%A4%D0%B0%D0%B9%D0%BB:Tamer4.jpg
http://tartaria.su/%D0%A4%D0%B0%D0%B9%D0%BB:Tamer1.jpg
http://tartaria.su/%D0%A4%D0%B0%D0%B9%D0%BB:Tamer.jpg
http://tartaria.su/%D0%A4%D0%B0%D0%B9%D0%BB:%D0%94%D0%B6%D0%B0%D1%85%D0%B0%D0%BD.jpg
http://tartaria.su/%D0%A4%D0%B0%D0%B9%D0%BB:Pravi3.jpg
http://tartaria.su/%D0%A4%D0%B0%D0%B9%D0%BB:Pravi2.jpg
http://tartaria.su/%D0%A4%D0%B0%D0%B9%D0%BB:Pravi1.jpg
http://tartaria.su/%D0%A4%D0%B0%D0%B9%D0%BB:Got7.jpg
http://tartaria.su/%D0%A4%D0%B0%D0%B9%D0%BB:Got8.jpg

Really?

pre 9 godina

I don't understand what you mean here.
The Jews and anyone else is free to leave Russia anytime they wish. There is no Soviet Union any longer.
(Peggy, 30 April 2015 01:23
Peggy you have said some really dumb things in the past but you cannot be even close to being serious on this statement can you.
The big mystery is why Russia help to free the Jews from German camps, only to turn around and do the same to their own citizens of the Jewish faith.
You are right there is no USSR army but there is still a very strong Russian army, and a leader that it is evident wishes to rebuild the USSR.

ROTE

pre 9 godina

Arn.

3/ The idea about some Mongolo-Tatars first came to the Romanovs in mid-17 century. After the Germans brought them to power in 1613 they always had problems with legitimacy. So they tried to wipe the real history off and exposed the Great Horde as a hostile power that came to rule us for centuries. I deliberately gave you links of only the European sources about the Tartars. Have a good look at the pictures and you will find out that until 1775 the Great Tartaria was the biggest state in the world and only it fall made the USA project real. You will be shocked to know how it happened. They were attacked both from Europe/Moscow and America. Lots of documents and other evidence escaped elimination. Also the empire was too big to be ruled from only one place especially after the bastards seized Moscow. So many smaller autonomous Tartarias existed in parallel. After the bloody coup in Moscow when the ruling Rurik Dynasty was totally eliminated until 1775 the Romanovs controlled only 5% of the empire. All other Khans refused to obey the Romanovs but with the help of Europeans one after several long and severe wars almost Tartarias (Pegaya, Kitayskaya, Independent, Blue ect.) were destroyed. Some other local ruling Slav dynasties were assimilated in China, India, Japan, Korea, Manjuria, Egypt, Syria, Persia, Spain, Mexico ect. Here I stop because you must be already thinking that rote is gone crazy. If not yet please feel free to insist on evidence.

rote

pre 9 godina

Arn.

Ad hoc if B92 places it I can add that I can provide with multiple artifacts and other evidence of what I say. Sure the best source is … http://www.chronologia.org/en/index.html ... summarized in … http://www.chronologia.org/en/how_it_was/index.html But there are many others available mostly in Russian. See … http://www.kramola.info/ … especially … http://www.kramola.info/raznoe/karty/kramolnaja-karta ... About the objects that official science tries to ignore and other methods of manipulation of history. If you are patient enough in a few months you will everything that you know today. You will stop to believe in the phantom ancient Greece, Rome on the Apennines, Ancient India and China ect. You will know that the Bible was written in 1 and partly in 17 centuries and that in 1825 Tsar Nikolay 1 has burnt the Old Testament books that were first time printed here. For another 30 years he forbade as he said this Jewish book. All other religious books were presented at the same time including Tora and Quran and almost same time. Also read about … https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inter_caetera# … and … https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Tordesillas ... Don’t you find it strange that small Portugal and one of the Spanish provinces divided 3 big continents between themselves and nobody including several Papas was surprised ? The Treaty worked for some 500 years !!!

Bam Bam

pre 9 godina

@Dragoljub

An Atomic Bimb needs to be dropped on the Balkans. The parasites need to be wiped out. Death and destruction is the only way.

rote

pre 9 godina

Arn.

There are several problems stopping you from getting my meaning. They are 1500 character limit, too many issues that you raise and B92 Moderator who sometimes ignores my posts. See that he strted to place my respond from PART-3. Anyway Tartars as well as Mongols were pure Russians and only in the 19 century this name was attached to one of the Turk speaking people inhabiting Russia. 90% of history before 17 century was misinterpreted by Joseph Scaliger and Dionysius Petavius. But even Petavius said that Tatars were Russians. Version of history that I stick starts in 1152 when in Crimea Andrey Bogolubsky was born. In current history he reflected as Andronik I Komnin , Andrew the Apostle and Jesus Christ. Andrey spent most his life in Russia but in 1182 he was invited to rule Second Rome (Istanbul) but after 3 years he was tortured to death in Jerusalem (suburb of Istanbul) on Yoros Hill hippodrome. Russia immediately started the Crusaders Wars that lasted until 1329 when Slavs colonized 100% of Europe. Their rule lasted until 1584 when in Russia the fatal Great Smuta started and in 1613 Rurik Dynasty was replaced by the German puppet Romanovs. Other parts of the Great Horde refused to obey them and it brought to multiple wars against the multiple Tartarias. Capitol of the last Tartar Tsar was Tobolsk as you say but the western border was 300 - 500 km close to Moscow so the Romanovs flew to the Swedish border and settled in St. Peterburg.

ect/ect/ect

rote

pre 9 godina

Arn.

THANK YOU so please remain in your world of illusions that :

1/ Parphenon was built not by the Ottomans though there are lots of pictures of how how it looked when these lands were passed to Greece.

2/ Mongols who never made more than 0,2% of the population of the Earth and left not a stain in anybody’s Y-DNA or a single document controlled the world for centuries.

3/ Indian Mahabharata describing in details the Kulikovo Battle of 1380 was written before Christ.

4/ Chinese history is not reflecting medieval history of the Mediterranean and the Great Horde and while small Russian minorities who merely make total 72 000 now were able to rule this country 500 years.

5/ Jerusalem was was the only one built in a dead stone desert 60 km away from the sea or a river or a crossroad plus one knows what happened there between 1500 and 1915

6/ two small provinces on Pyrenees divided the world while Britain , Germany, France, Sweden, Russia, Ottomans and even Papa took it as a matter of fact

7/ Islam and Christianity has never been one though on all medieval Russian Churches there’s Half Moon and there’s not a single old Mosque in Russia.

8/ Bible does not describe events of 14-16 centuries in the Great Horde

9/ Jesus was Jew despite what hid did and said

10/ multiple invaders of so called Migration Period immediately vaporized in Europe so people like Mauro Orbini were also idiots

Dragoljub Djurkovic

pre 9 godina

One big reason Russia survived and thrived is because of you Czar Vlade and other brave and smart Russian men and woman who made the right decisions to keep the Russian Empire powerfull and vigilant! Only a few years ago and Russia was witness what Satan accomplished in the Balkans! Jugoslavia a melting pot of the South Slav people for a short time in modern history prospered and then came Satan in the 1990's! In peace we Christian Eastern Orthodox people must prepare for war! What happened to Jugoslavia in the 1990's was a big warning sign to all Slavic Christian Eastern Orthodox people in Europe. The Satanic Final Solution, Isolation and Demonization of Christian Serbia by the Devil himself! Just look how the whole Roman Catholic Empire sided with Satan to destroy Eastern Orthodox Christianity in the Balkans! Devestation and destruction of Jugoslavia, lands lost, property stolen and horrific deaths of Slavic Eastern Orthodox Christian Serbian people, Russia witnessed and responded by building it's military strenght and capabilities! How do you survive big bullies, the only way is to become significantly more powerfull than they are! When the Devil gets a taste of sweet Eastern Orthodox blood he will come back for more and more. Russia and Czar Vlade know how to deal with evil intruders, they have been chewing up the enemy and spitting them back into the pit of hell for ages now! God Bless you Czar Vlade, long live Serbia and our most beloved Mother Russia!!!

rote

pre 9 godina

Arnie

You always stop to be reasonable when it comes to Russia. But please explain me how came that for centuries Swedish Karls always had their burial services in Russian and in full accordance to the Orthodox traditions ? To help you I can say that they were Russians as well as many other famous dynasties of Europe. This is why presidents of France (like the Bourbons and Napoleon) always take oath putting their hands on the same old Russian Bible. I also have to remind you how Sweden became a neutral state. We f*cked you in every hole near Poltava and you lost any will to conduct wars. Since then you stopped to be the strongest state of the continent. Maybe here’s the main reason of you complex of inferiority. What you think ? Another suggestion is because Sweden today is a puppet dog of the USA so your Russophobia is a US made one. What you think ? Otherwise it’s hard to explain the fast increasing idiotism in your posts …

Bam Bam

pre 9 godina

@Dragoljub

An Atomic Bimb needs to be dropped on the Balkans. The parasites need to be wiped out. Death and destruction is the only way.

Arn.Sweden.

pre 9 godina

The Danger of Disintegration will occur again,
when the conflict in Ukraine escalates.

You will have to inaugurate a Military Dictatorship in order to ceep Russia and the Russian People United.

And of cause Putin will be seen as the Devil.

Russia will have to let the Jews in Russia to go free from Her.

Arn.Sweden.

rote

pre 9 godina

Arn.

THANK YOU so please remain in your world of illusions that :

1/ Parphenon was built not by the Ottomans though there are lots of pictures of how how it looked when these lands were passed to Greece.

2/ Mongols who never made more than 0,2% of the population of the Earth and left not a stain in anybody’s Y-DNA or a single document controlled the world for centuries.

3/ Indian Mahabharata describing in details the Kulikovo Battle of 1380 was written before Christ.

4/ Chinese history is not reflecting medieval history of the Mediterranean and the Great Horde and while small Russian minorities who merely make total 72 000 now were able to rule this country 500 years.

5/ Jerusalem was was the only one built in a dead stone desert 60 km away from the sea or a river or a crossroad plus one knows what happened there between 1500 and 1915

6/ two small provinces on Pyrenees divided the world while Britain , Germany, France, Sweden, Russia, Ottomans and even Papa took it as a matter of fact

7/ Islam and Christianity has never been one though on all medieval Russian Churches there’s Half Moon and there’s not a single old Mosque in Russia.

8/ Bible does not describe events of 14-16 centuries in the Great Horde

9/ Jesus was Jew despite what hid did and said

10/ multiple invaders of so called Migration Period immediately vaporized in Europe so people like Mauro Orbini were also idiots

ROTE

pre 9 godina

Arn.

3/ The idea about some Mongolo-Tatars first came to the Romanovs in mid-17 century. After the Germans brought them to power in 1613 they always had problems with legitimacy. So they tried to wipe the real history off and exposed the Great Horde as a hostile power that came to rule us for centuries. I deliberately gave you links of only the European sources about the Tartars. Have a good look at the pictures and you will find out that until 1775 the Great Tartaria was the biggest state in the world and only it fall made the USA project real. You will be shocked to know how it happened. They were attacked both from Europe/Moscow and America. Lots of documents and other evidence escaped elimination. Also the empire was too big to be ruled from only one place especially after the bastards seized Moscow. So many smaller autonomous Tartarias existed in parallel. After the bloody coup in Moscow when the ruling Rurik Dynasty was totally eliminated until 1775 the Romanovs controlled only 5% of the empire. All other Khans refused to obey the Romanovs but with the help of Europeans one after several long and severe wars almost Tartarias (Pegaya, Kitayskaya, Independent, Blue ect.) were destroyed. Some other local ruling Slav dynasties were assimilated in China, India, Japan, Korea, Manjuria, Egypt, Syria, Persia, Spain, Mexico ect. Here I stop because you must be already thinking that rote is gone crazy. If not yet please feel free to insist on evidence.

Comm. Parrisson

pre 9 godina

Totally nonsense. If you want to compare, you must compare it with the former Soviet Union. And it was 'disintegrated' long before - fortunately not the in the 'Yugoslav style', but peacefully into a dozen or so independent states.

And I agree, to some other posters here, the Russian support for Ukrainian separatists/terrorists who ironically work on the 'disintegration' will backfire on Russia in the long term.

Somewhere I read that Kadyrov in Chechnya allowed his security and police to open fire on Russian soldiers or secret service agents who are in Chechnya 'illegally'.

rote

pre 9 godina

Arnie

Please have a good look at the old maps below to understand why the Russians were called as the DISPERSED people but remember that the Great Tartaria was only one of the parts of our Great Horde. It appeared in 1613 when the Germans brought their Romanov puppets to power in Moscovia that merely made even 5% of the great empire. Also please read what is written on the upper edge of the map behind Putin here.

http://tartaria.su/%D0%A4%D0%B0%D0%B9%D0%BB:Grande_tartarie.jpg
http://tartaria.su/%D0%A4%D0%B0%D0%B9%D0%BB:Mosktart.jpg
http://tartaria.su/%D0%A4%D0%B0%D0%B9%D0%BB:Tart2.jpg
http://tartaria.su/%D0%92%D0%B5%D0%BB%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B0%D1%8F_%D0%A2%D0%B0%D1%80%D1%82%D0%B0%D1%80%D0%B8%D1%8F

rote

pre 9 godina

Arn.

There are several problems stopping you from getting my meaning. They are 1500 character limit, too many issues that you raise and B92 Moderator who sometimes ignores my posts. See that he strted to place my respond from PART-3. Anyway Tartars as well as Mongols were pure Russians and only in the 19 century this name was attached to one of the Turk speaking people inhabiting Russia. 90% of history before 17 century was misinterpreted by Joseph Scaliger and Dionysius Petavius. But even Petavius said that Tatars were Russians. Version of history that I stick starts in 1152 when in Crimea Andrey Bogolubsky was born. In current history he reflected as Andronik I Komnin , Andrew the Apostle and Jesus Christ. Andrey spent most his life in Russia but in 1182 he was invited to rule Second Rome (Istanbul) but after 3 years he was tortured to death in Jerusalem (suburb of Istanbul) on Yoros Hill hippodrome. Russia immediately started the Crusaders Wars that lasted until 1329 when Slavs colonized 100% of Europe. Their rule lasted until 1584 when in Russia the fatal Great Smuta started and in 1613 Rurik Dynasty was replaced by the German puppet Romanovs. Other parts of the Great Horde refused to obey them and it brought to multiple wars against the multiple Tartarias. Capitol of the last Tartar Tsar was Tobolsk as you say but the western border was 300 - 500 km close to Moscow so the Romanovs flew to the Swedish border and settled in St. Peterburg.

ect/ect/ect

rote

pre 9 godina

Arn.

Ad hoc if B92 places it I can add that I can provide with multiple artifacts and other evidence of what I say. Sure the best source is … http://www.chronologia.org/en/index.html ... summarized in … http://www.chronologia.org/en/how_it_was/index.html But there are many others available mostly in Russian. See … http://www.kramola.info/ … especially … http://www.kramola.info/raznoe/karty/kramolnaja-karta ... About the objects that official science tries to ignore and other methods of manipulation of history. If you are patient enough in a few months you will everything that you know today. You will stop to believe in the phantom ancient Greece, Rome on the Apennines, Ancient India and China ect. You will know that the Bible was written in 1 and partly in 17 centuries and that in 1825 Tsar Nikolay 1 has burnt the Old Testament books that were first time printed here. For another 30 years he forbade as he said this Jewish book. All other religious books were presented at the same time including Tora and Quran and almost same time. Also read about … https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inter_caetera# … and … https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Tordesillas ... Don’t you find it strange that small Portugal and one of the Spanish provinces divided 3 big continents between themselves and nobody including several Papas was surprised ? The Treaty worked for some 500 years !!!

Blessed are the peacemakers

pre 9 godina

Russia was close to Yugoslav-style disintegration - Putin

Close and almost don't count Vlad. I was once close many times of winning the jackpot on a slot machine. I was also close to crapping my draws at least a dozen times but didn't. The Albanians from Kosova* had on their Nikes and were all close to Albania to make her Greater, but NATO acted on their behalf while you watched like a mouse from a hole in the wall while your Orthodox Serb brothers and sisters defended themselves from NATO's jets with sling shots. You see where I'm going with this? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cmpv0lWEdR0

rote

pre 9 godina

Arn.

See more links and tell me about mongolo-tatars or the gengisides.

http://tartaria.su/%D0%A4%D0%B0%D0%B9%D0%BB:Tamer2.jpg
http://tartaria.su/%D0%A4%D0%B0%D0%B9%D0%BB:Tamer3.jpg
http://tartaria.su/%D0%A4%D0%B0%D0%B9%D0%BB:Tamer4.jpg
http://tartaria.su/%D0%A4%D0%B0%D0%B9%D0%BB:Tamer1.jpg
http://tartaria.su/%D0%A4%D0%B0%D0%B9%D0%BB:Tamer.jpg
http://tartaria.su/%D0%A4%D0%B0%D0%B9%D0%BB:%D0%94%D0%B6%D0%B0%D1%85%D0%B0%D0%BD.jpg
http://tartaria.su/%D0%A4%D0%B0%D0%B9%D0%BB:Pravi3.jpg
http://tartaria.su/%D0%A4%D0%B0%D0%B9%D0%BB:Pravi2.jpg
http://tartaria.su/%D0%A4%D0%B0%D0%B9%D0%BB:Pravi1.jpg
http://tartaria.su/%D0%A4%D0%B0%D0%B9%D0%BB:Got7.jpg
http://tartaria.su/%D0%A4%D0%B0%D0%B9%D0%BB:Got8.jpg

Really?

pre 9 godina

I don't understand what you mean here.
The Jews and anyone else is free to leave Russia anytime they wish. There is no Soviet Union any longer.
(Peggy, 30 April 2015 01:23
Peggy you have said some really dumb things in the past but you cannot be even close to being serious on this statement can you.
The big mystery is why Russia help to free the Jews from German camps, only to turn around and do the same to their own citizens of the Jewish faith.
You are right there is no USSR army but there is still a very strong Russian army, and a leader that it is evident wishes to rebuild the USSR.

Arn.Sweden.

pre 9 godina

To Rote - You Err !.

May I Remind you whom created the Russian State -

Moscowskaya Ros.

Ros is the name of a part of Sweden above our Capital.

Swedish vikings was the Creator of 3 Russian States.
The other two was -
Novgorodskaya Ros and Kievskaya Ros.

What I write is Reality and not Russophobia.

I am an Russophil.

Two weks ago i Had a dreamvision.

In the Vision Putin invited me to Coffe,
and we sat and had a Talk togheter.
after the Talk we Shaked hands.

How come that some Minds always missunderstand me ?

Its because in your case you Mind are Red and doesnt se any Further.

Arn.Sweden.

Arn.Sweden.

pre 9 godina

To Rote -

Dear Sir -
I now the whole History of Russia,
from its birth until today.

But I dont see your point.
Russias population today is an estimated 150 Milions.

Ethnic groups (2010[1])
81.0% Russian
3.7% Tatar
1.4% Ukrainian
1.1% Bashkir
1.0% Chuvash
0.8% Chechen
11.0% others / unspecified

From -

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russia

So according to this only some 110 millions of Russias population is Russians.

Does this make me a Russophobe ?

Further -

So a disentigration of Russia is possible,
if the West can have its way with Her.

Putin will prevent this to what cost it will take !.

150 years Russia/Moscovskaya Ros,
was under the Tartar Yoke,
before She could fend them of.
Since then Russia has expanded Eastwards over and Beyond Her former Foes,
even untill the Border of Canada.

That doesnt make all Inhabitants of Russia Russians.

Arn.Sweden.

Peggy

pre 9 godina

The big mystery is why Russia help to free the Jews from German camps, only to turn around and do the same to their own citizens of the Jewish faith.
===============================
The big mystery is the death of millions of Jews by Russian hands.
When did that happen exactly?

Arn.Sweden.

pre 9 godina

To Rote !.

I am fully convinced that You and Your Teachers are victims of Historyfalcifications.

That written,
I stop here.

Arn.Sweden.

Peggy

pre 9 godina

Russia will have to let the Jews in Russia to go free from Her.

Arn.Sweden.
(Arn.Sweden., 28 April 2015 17:41)
======================
I don't understand what you mean here.
The Jews and anyone else is free to leave Russia anytime they wish. There is no Soviet Union any longer.

Arn.Sweden.

pre 9 godina

To Rote,

Karl the twelveth, the Swedish King,at War with Russia 1707-1709., had Mongols/Tartars in His army as Horsecaretakers.
Those Tartars came with Him to Sweden and are now in Sweden called - "Tattare" -!.

Those Tattare are overrepresentated in the Swedish Prisons and often fight with Knifves.

The Tartars originate from - Tobolsk - the head capital of Siberia,
from witch also VOLGA(Bolga) derives its name, and Hence the town of BOLGAR from wich the Bulgarians came to the Balkans.

Tubal in the Bible is the Forefather of all Turkish People -

Genesis 10 21st Century King James Version (KJ21)

10 Now these are the generations of the sons of Noah: Shem, Ham, and Japheth; and unto them were sons born after the flood.
2 The sons of Japheth: Gomer, and Magog, and Madai, and Javan, and Tubal, and Meshech, and Tiras.

Comment - Tubal is the Son of Japhet,
the forefather of all Seven Indoeuropean Peoples.

Mesek is also one of them.
And from Him comes the People in History called -

Saka - Masaka - Massagetae - Massaget -

Hence - Moskov/The Moskovites.

In eastern Iran is a town called - Mesched - and in Westurkistan is a town with similar name.

So - The Moskovites/Russians are not Turks/Tartars/Mongols.

They are two etnic different indoeuropean peoples.

Does this satisfie your request ?

Arn.Sweden.

Arn.Sweden.

pre 9 godina

Still I dont understand your Point.

That the Russians managed to chase away the Tartars ruling over Russians I think is as it should be.
So the Russians avenged themselves upon the Tartars and went Eastwards to the border with Canada doesnt bother me.

Further -

The Russians/Moskovians are not Slavs so your mentioning Slavic populations Eastwards is not correct.
But yes - Slavs from Novgordskaya Rus and Kievskaya Ros helped the Swedish Vikings from Ros to establish MOscovskaya Ros.
Many Slavs and Swedes mingled with the Moskovians and became their first Rulers.

Putin is as according to His name - a Slav - and not a Etnic Moscovite/Russian.

I dont know if we can come any further in our dialogue,
perhaps we lost the trac.

Arn.Sweden.