"Our project is a Greater Europe with Serbia and Albania. A Greater Albania is an obsolete myth that has nothing to do with us," Albanian PM Edi Rama has said.
"Greater Albania?!! That's funny! Albania has insufficient capacity to develop its own territory and could not possibly do anything substantial in neighboring areas. "
Agreed, Albania lacks capacity to absorb more territory. West-Germany experienced a lot of trouble when it united with the East and Germany itself went through a lot of pain after re-unification and depending who or what you read, its still paying for it. If a country as rich as Germany has trouble with that, a country as poor as Albania would go bankrupt 10 times over taking in more areas. Greater Albania, as well as being unattainable, and for me personally undesirable, is not even in Albania's interest. Neither Serbs nor Albanians need bigger borders, they need better living standards
Greater Albania?!! That's funny! Albania has insufficient capacity to develop its own territory and could not possibly do anything substantial in neighboring areas. This obsession we have with Greater Albania, Greater Serbia, Greater Bulgaria, whatever... is sad. Writers on this site and elsewhere are justifiably angry - but what is the real reason that we are angry? We are angry because of the terrible economic situation that the entire Balkans is in. And that situation has to do with your own leaders during the past 20 years not making the reforms necessary to move your countries forward. Instead they practice cronyism and keep you distracted by constantly fueling the ethnic nonsense that is a cancer in this region.
"Greater Albania" it's a wrong term which manipulates the right one, "ethnic Albania"
(Nik Nika, 11 November 2014 22:32)
Well what ever retarded, brain dead name you would like to give it, the rest of us couldn't care less what you call it. The reality is in order to achieve it, you will have to steal territory from 4 different UN recognized countries. You started with Serbia, but that was only possible with a NATO airforce bombing Serbia while you commit atrocities against Kosovo-Metohija.
So think it through, ONLY the strongest military alliance was able to get the Serbian military to leave Kosovo-Metohija. Since then, you tried in FYR Macedonia and you lost. In central Serbia you tried, you lost again. In 2011, you tried to take Northern Mitrovica and one of the terrorists that came up to impose their will was shot dead. Again, not by any Serbian military, just ordinary Serbs in northern Kosovo-Metohija with nothing but the arms they keep in their homes.
So the general rule of thumb is without NATO, you lose. It is absolutely impossible to achieve your sick fantasies call it greater or ethnic Albania, doesn't matter. But you don't understand how much of a proponent I am of your project. I fully support you being so stupid enough to try. Please start already. I know you kind of already did, but I think it's time to ramp up efforts and really roll up your sleeves and get to work!
"Greater Albania" it's a wrong term which manipulates the right one, "ethnic Albania".Its a historical fact that half of territories of ethnic Albania were left outside the today Albania borders. Changing borders now its not a good idea and its not going to happen anyway. The key is that minorities to have the all rights, serbians, greeks, albanians etc. But that doesn't happen. A bad example is Greece which is even part of EU!!! Despite greek minority enjoing all the rights in Albania, the massacred ethnic albanians of Chameria cant even visit their abandoned homes!!!! Is this the Europe we want to join!?
You bloody turk you have the nerve and audacity to talk about albanian ancient lands.Does any of these lands bear any albanian name? No they bear Serbian names in the north and Greek ones in the south.Albanians were in turkey.
Ari your a complete joke, a complete nobody! I have absolutely no doubt that very soon you will get the chance you so desperately seek,
Says someone that spends his days spreading lies and hatred on a SERBIAN site, ironically enough. I dont see Ari running around on albanian sites, probably because u dont have any hell its a wonder that you even have internet.
Ari your a complete joke, a complete nobody!
(Rocky, 11 November 2014 15:27)
Rocky, you're one of the last people on this site to call anybody a joke and a complete nobody. With the stuff you routinely belch out through your keyboard, the only people predictably dumber than you are Lenard and Bam Bam. Please don't think anyone here regards you as anything other than a raging teenager, or an adult with the maturity of a raging teenager, living in the United States with dreams of Greater Albanian aspirations to keep you company at night.
This guy rama is a total maniac. Is he even a diplomat? Yesterday he comes as an albanian representative to visit since like 70 years and right away he starts behaving rude, agressive, insulting and disrespectful like he just came out of a jungle. Then he starts talking about some basketball game? Does he even know what he is saying? When i look at rama i think of big foot, this is who he reminds me of.
Serbia does not need to exist.
(azir, 11 November 2014 10:50)
Let me fix these comments for you:
Preshevo,Medvedja and Bujanovac is an internationally recognized part of Serbia.
Vojvodina is an internationally recognized part of Serbia.
Sandjak is an internationally recognized part of Serbia.
The ethnic Bulgarian Region (whose name you couldn't come up with but felt the need to somehow care about) is also an internationally recognized part of Serbia.
Belgrade is one of the most cosmopolitan cities in Southeastern Europe, visited annually by tens of thousands of people who all say they love it.
It's neither my fault nor my interest that you're a sad, angry, and pathetic little Albanian troll who spews hate speech and intolerance, ironically on a Serbian news site. It's also neither my fault nor my interest you're too stupid to recognize, let alone accept, internationally accepted territorial arrangements, many of which are more than 100 years old.
In short, no one care what you think needs or doesn't need to exist because you're nobody other than what I've classified you above. Go do something productive with your life for a change and leave the primitive hatred behind. With hard work and dedication, you may grow up to be a pleasant person.
Democratic People's Republic of Kosova Ministry of Propaganda
pre 9 godina
Rama has given you a doze of medicine that although very bitter today, it will make you better.
(Leo, 11 November 2014 10:34)
Please explain how Rama is "best politician in Balkan"? All he's done so far is repaint many of the buildings in Tirana to make the city look less bleak and lifeless.
Albania was created in 1912 and did not have any of these territories you aspire to steal. The reason why Albania is surrounded by ethnic Albanians is because so many got the hell out of there and went to live in Yugoslavia because Hoxha's Albania was the most primitive, barbaric country in Europe at the time.
(Ari Gold, 11 November 2014 11:05)
When most of the Albanian lands were annexed in 1912 Enver Hoxha was nowhere near the political scene, heck he was probably still in elementary school, you idiot! And another quick point Einstein, don't forget that in 1912 we weak Albanians didn't have NATO, and yet we engaged your barbaric Serbia along with her unholy alliance while at the same time routing out the Turk colossus which occupied our ancient ancestral lands! Oh do many of our Albanian feet walk everyday upon our ancestral lands with pride and our heads held high, walking over the rottening bones of the many of our barbaric foes which our warrior forefathers slew with great bravery & ferocity!
Ari your a complete joke, a complete nobody! I have absolutely no doubt that very soon you will get the chance you so desperately seek, and when that time does arrive it will unleash upon those who seek it a pride of lions of great courage & ferociousness! Remember Ari we are right at home in these ancient lands of ours, we have much more to lose then you a alien to these lands does!!!
"Our project is a Greater Europe with Serbia and Albania. A Greater Albania is an obsolete myth that has nothing to do with us," Albanian PM Edi Rama has said.
Ah it's nice some Western officials contacted him after his do-it-yourself speech yesterday and reminded him to stick to script. Though at the same time I wonder if he's really paying attention to the more "patriotic" Albanian elements around him in Macedonia and the disputed territory of Kosovo, where dreams of joining Albania are more than obsolete myths but help people win elections.
In other news, he lamented the alleged conditions of Albanians in Presevo and said they need to do everything possible to avoid assimilation. A worthy goal since no one likes being absorbed into another society. I'm sure Vucic is going to say the same when he visits northern Kosovo in a few weeks (which will no doubt be interpreted by Albanians there as politically provocative). Though I wonder why Rama worries so much about Presevo where Albanians are basically free to erect monuments to failed terrorist movements, while Greeks and Serbs in Albania are frequently and systematically given Albanianized names and denied all but the most rudimentary rights of identity? Maybe his crusade against assimilation can provide an example in minority rights in Shkoder and northern Epirus?
Or did I goof once again in pointing socio-political inconsistencies in Albania's own backyard? It's almost impossible not to.
all states come about by ethnic minorities declaring an own state. its how Serbia came into existence.
@Ari Gold, is that how part of Bosnia became Serbian, because Serbs left the hell hole that was Serbia and migrated to Bosnia? its a pity what's happened to Krajina Serbs though isn't it? chasing a Greater Serbia myth and ending up becoming izbeglicas in Serbia proper. I even remember them coming to Kosovo and being settled in Hotel Bozhur in Prishtina. very sad actually. don't worry Ari Gold, however backward you think Albanians are, we're not stupid enough to chase Greater myths the way the heavenly people did in Croatia and end up being kicked out.
"If Germany got unified, then why the same cannot be applied to Albanians who are partitioned into 5 states. Albania is perhaps the only country in world which is surrounded in all sides by ethnic Albanians. this urges to revise current boundaries and establish some viable states and not multi-ethnic weakling creatures!"
(Abeis, 11 November 2014 10:29)
Stupid example. Germany was split after WW2, and the German unification was a natural reunification. There was no Albania until 1900, and there are ethnic German minorities living in Belgium, France, Czech Republic, even in Russia, and nobody demands to change boundaries. And there are ethnic Hungarians living in Serbia, Slovakia, Romania, Croatia, and more.
I think that this visit was a key point to relations between countries. I would not call them neighbors countries yet, as there is Kosovo independent and a state between that "neighbors" idea. Yet, this visit seems to be a big hit to remind Serbia about the reality that was actually never theirs.
May I say that I am impressed by the comments below?! 3 Comments and all of them seem to be finally realizing the truth. It's 2014 and you guys are like 14-15 years late, but as long as you live you learn- they say.
It's time to swep away all fears from 'greater Albania' because it is an inavoidable end.
(Abeis, 11 November 2014 10:29)
You mean unavoidable? It sure as hell can be avoidable if the sovereign UN recognized countries of Serbia, Greece, Macedonia and Montenegro understand what the biggest threat to the common security and stability of the region is. I don't know how you will confiscate territories from 4 countries because the only place you've ever succeeded to occupy is with NATO as your air force. Think about that, nothing else on this planet would have caused Serbia's military to leave Kosovo-Metohija except for the strongest military alliance on the planet. How are you going to get such support against 4 countries, one of which is a founding member of NATO?
"If Germany got unified, then why the same cannot be applied to Albanians who are partitioned into 5 states. Albania is perhaps the only country in world which is surrounded in all sides by ethnic Albanians."
Albania was created in 1912 and did not have any of these territories you aspire to steal. The reason why Albania is surrounded by ethnic Albanians is because so many got the hell out of there and went to live in Yugoslavia because Hoxha's Albania was the most primitive, barbaric country in Europe at the time.
Why are we sitting around discussing this agent provocateur (Rama),who if he is the best politician in the Balkans, as one contributor maintains, he's certainly not much of a diplomat. To the other contributor who says Serbs want 49% of Bosnia....well I think that's a gross underestimation as Serbs actually have legal title to about 60% of it and therefore Dayton does need to be re-negotiated. I suspect they also have legal title to a considerable amount of the land in Kosovo too but I may be wrong there. I'm sure there's someone available to correct me, there usually is on this sad forum.
Serbian propaganda has embarked on a deliberate campaign to vilify as much as possible the unification between Albania and Kosova. This well-organized propaganda is using the fear to influence the opinions and actions of others towards some specific end. The feared object or subject is sometimes exaggerated, and the pattern of fear mongering is usually one of repetition, in order to continuously reinforce the intended effects of this tactic, sometimes in the form of a vicious circle. Thus, 'Greater Albania' is proclaimed by those who are covetous to conceal the project of 'Greater Serbia'. One is tempted to ask which one is more meneacing? I reckon the latter because it is Serbia who is trying to establish a large state which would allegedly encompass 'all Serbian lands'. According to this project, 49% of Bosnia and northern parts of Kosova would be incorporated within this state. In the meantime, serbs are anxious to carve up certain areas of Macedonia. But this project is going awry as long as Serbia has weakened greatly and its population is dying out. It's time to swep away all fears from 'greater Albania' because it is an inavoidable end. If Germany got unified, then why the same cannot be applied to Albanians who are partitioned into 5 states. Albania is perhaps the only country in world which is surrounded in all sides by ethnic Albanians. this urges to revise current boundaries and establish some viable states and not multi-ethnic weakling creatures!
Dealing with Albania is a different thing to dealing with Kosovo. The biggest mistake that the Serb establishment has ever made is to start a "fight" with Albania. You are no match for Rama! He is currently the best politician in Balkan.
Aside all the media coverage and the emotions, Rama actually did a big favor to Serbia. From today politician in Serbia are free to talk with their Albanians counterpart about everything and anything. Finally some common sense and constructive talks and no more pathetic football fights, flag stunts or so called "provocations" talks.
You are free Serbia from your nightmares and anxiety. Rama has given you a doze of medicine that although very bitter today, it will make you better.
Ignorant Serbs must understand that what Albania's PM Rama publicly declared is not what 109 other countries of the world hadn't done already.
serbia's continued occupation of Presheva,Medvedja and Bujanoc is a provocation.
serbia's continued occupation of Hungarian-Vojvodina is a provocation.
serbia's continued occupation of Sandjak is a provocation.
serbia's continurd occupation of Ethnic Bulgarian Region is also a provocation.
Belgrade being Europe's War Crimes Capital is a provocation.
"A Greater Albania is an obsolete myth that has nothing to do with us," Albanian PM Edi Rama has said.
Clear words - nice to hear those from an Albanian PM. It's a nothing but a myth, yes, and it's obsolete, too.
"Show me at least one proof of that in my career or in the career of any Albanian politician that would support they stood for a Greater Albania."
Nonsense words, it's well known that there are extremist politicians that advocate Greater Albania, though they prefer to call it 'natural Albania'.
"It is not something I dreamed up. It is the reality. Many countries that Serbia cooperates with recognized Kosovo as an independent state."
Yes, and some dozens others don't recognize Kosovo as an independent state - so there must be two or more realitites. Is this possible?
No, better see the one real reality, which is: Kosovo is nothing but a disputed territory where etnic minorities declared an own state, like Palestine, South Ossetia, the famous 'Republik Donetsk' in Ukraine and a few other 'states'
"However, after this kind of incident it is evident that our roads are different," Drecun observed, and added that Rama's decision to speak about Kosovo as an independent state was an example of Greater Albania pretensions..
This is nonsense, too. An independent Kosovo is the oppositie of Greater Albania. The Kosovo nationalists, for example the so-called 'Self-Determination movement', want a unification with Albania, i.e. no independent Kosovo.
of course Albania does not have expansionist ambitions, because Albania lacks even the most basic capacity to do such a thing. and in any case, it is unattainable and unrealistic. i don't want a greater Albania or ethnic Albania because they are as abhorrent as Greater Serbia is. a form or greater Albania can happen with EU accession and borders becoming meaningless, that I have no doubt will be the case within 20 years. he is right on Kosovo however, its gone and its never coming back and frankly, it isn't even in Serbia's interest to have it back
Dealing with Albania is a different thing to dealing with Kosovo. The biggest mistake that the Serb establishment has ever made is to start a "fight" with Albania. You are no match for Rama! He is currently the best politician in Balkan.
Aside all the media coverage and the emotions, Rama actually did a big favor to Serbia. From today politician in Serbia are free to talk with their Albanians counterpart about everything and anything. Finally some common sense and constructive talks and no more pathetic football fights, flag stunts or so called "provocations" talks.
You are free Serbia from your nightmares and anxiety. Rama has given you a doze of medicine that although very bitter today, it will make you better.
all states come about by ethnic minorities declaring an own state. its how Serbia came into existence.
@Ari Gold, is that how part of Bosnia became Serbian, because Serbs left the hell hole that was Serbia and migrated to Bosnia? its a pity what's happened to Krajina Serbs though isn't it? chasing a Greater Serbia myth and ending up becoming izbeglicas in Serbia proper. I even remember them coming to Kosovo and being settled in Hotel Bozhur in Prishtina. very sad actually. don't worry Ari Gold, however backward you think Albanians are, we're not stupid enough to chase Greater myths the way the heavenly people did in Croatia and end up being kicked out.
It's time to swep away all fears from 'greater Albania' because it is an inavoidable end.
(Abeis, 11 November 2014 10:29)
You mean unavoidable? It sure as hell can be avoidable if the sovereign UN recognized countries of Serbia, Greece, Macedonia and Montenegro understand what the biggest threat to the common security and stability of the region is. I don't know how you will confiscate territories from 4 countries because the only place you've ever succeeded to occupy is with NATO as your air force. Think about that, nothing else on this planet would have caused Serbia's military to leave Kosovo-Metohija except for the strongest military alliance on the planet. How are you going to get such support against 4 countries, one of which is a founding member of NATO?
"If Germany got unified, then why the same cannot be applied to Albanians who are partitioned into 5 states. Albania is perhaps the only country in world which is surrounded in all sides by ethnic Albanians."
Albania was created in 1912 and did not have any of these territories you aspire to steal. The reason why Albania is surrounded by ethnic Albanians is because so many got the hell out of there and went to live in Yugoslavia because Hoxha's Albania was the most primitive, barbaric country in Europe at the time.
Albania was created in 1912 and did not have any of these territories you aspire to steal. The reason why Albania is surrounded by ethnic Albanians is because so many got the hell out of there and went to live in Yugoslavia because Hoxha's Albania was the most primitive, barbaric country in Europe at the time.
(Ari Gold, 11 November 2014 11:05)
When most of the Albanian lands were annexed in 1912 Enver Hoxha was nowhere near the political scene, heck he was probably still in elementary school, you idiot! And another quick point Einstein, don't forget that in 1912 we weak Albanians didn't have NATO, and yet we engaged your barbaric Serbia along with her unholy alliance while at the same time routing out the Turk colossus which occupied our ancient ancestral lands! Oh do many of our Albanian feet walk everyday upon our ancestral lands with pride and our heads held high, walking over the rottening bones of the many of our barbaric foes which our warrior forefathers slew with great bravery & ferocity!
Ari your a complete joke, a complete nobody! I have absolutely no doubt that very soon you will get the chance you so desperately seek, and when that time does arrive it will unleash upon those who seek it a pride of lions of great courage & ferociousness! Remember Ari we are right at home in these ancient lands of ours, we have much more to lose then you a alien to these lands does!!!
of course Albania does not have expansionist ambitions, because Albania lacks even the most basic capacity to do such a thing. and in any case, it is unattainable and unrealistic. i don't want a greater Albania or ethnic Albania because they are as abhorrent as Greater Serbia is. a form or greater Albania can happen with EU accession and borders becoming meaningless, that I have no doubt will be the case within 20 years. he is right on Kosovo however, its gone and its never coming back and frankly, it isn't even in Serbia's interest to have it back
Serbian propaganda has embarked on a deliberate campaign to vilify as much as possible the unification between Albania and Kosova. This well-organized propaganda is using the fear to influence the opinions and actions of others towards some specific end. The feared object or subject is sometimes exaggerated, and the pattern of fear mongering is usually one of repetition, in order to continuously reinforce the intended effects of this tactic, sometimes in the form of a vicious circle. Thus, 'Greater Albania' is proclaimed by those who are covetous to conceal the project of 'Greater Serbia'. One is tempted to ask which one is more meneacing? I reckon the latter because it is Serbia who is trying to establish a large state which would allegedly encompass 'all Serbian lands'. According to this project, 49% of Bosnia and northern parts of Kosova would be incorporated within this state. In the meantime, serbs are anxious to carve up certain areas of Macedonia. But this project is going awry as long as Serbia has weakened greatly and its population is dying out. It's time to swep away all fears from 'greater Albania' because it is an inavoidable end. If Germany got unified, then why the same cannot be applied to Albanians who are partitioned into 5 states. Albania is perhaps the only country in world which is surrounded in all sides by ethnic Albanians. this urges to revise current boundaries and establish some viable states and not multi-ethnic weakling creatures!
Ignorant Serbs must understand that what Albania's PM Rama publicly declared is not what 109 other countries of the world hadn't done already.
serbia's continued occupation of Presheva,Medvedja and Bujanoc is a provocation.
serbia's continued occupation of Hungarian-Vojvodina is a provocation.
serbia's continued occupation of Sandjak is a provocation.
serbia's continurd occupation of Ethnic Bulgarian Region is also a provocation.
Belgrade being Europe's War Crimes Capital is a provocation.
"A Greater Albania is an obsolete myth that has nothing to do with us," Albanian PM Edi Rama has said.
Clear words - nice to hear those from an Albanian PM. It's a nothing but a myth, yes, and it's obsolete, too.
"Show me at least one proof of that in my career or in the career of any Albanian politician that would support they stood for a Greater Albania."
Nonsense words, it's well known that there are extremist politicians that advocate Greater Albania, though they prefer to call it 'natural Albania'.
"It is not something I dreamed up. It is the reality. Many countries that Serbia cooperates with recognized Kosovo as an independent state."
Yes, and some dozens others don't recognize Kosovo as an independent state - so there must be two or more realitites. Is this possible?
No, better see the one real reality, which is: Kosovo is nothing but a disputed territory where etnic minorities declared an own state, like Palestine, South Ossetia, the famous 'Republik Donetsk' in Ukraine and a few other 'states'
"However, after this kind of incident it is evident that our roads are different," Drecun observed, and added that Rama's decision to speak about Kosovo as an independent state was an example of Greater Albania pretensions..
This is nonsense, too. An independent Kosovo is the oppositie of Greater Albania. The Kosovo nationalists, for example the so-called 'Self-Determination movement', want a unification with Albania, i.e. no independent Kosovo.
"Greater Albania" it's a wrong term which manipulates the right one, "ethnic Albania".Its a historical fact that half of territories of ethnic Albania were left outside the today Albania borders. Changing borders now its not a good idea and its not going to happen anyway. The key is that minorities to have the all rights, serbians, greeks, albanians etc. But that doesn't happen. A bad example is Greece which is even part of EU!!! Despite greek minority enjoing all the rights in Albania, the massacred ethnic albanians of Chameria cant even visit their abandoned homes!!!! Is this the Europe we want to join!?
Ari your a complete joke, a complete nobody!
(Rocky, 11 November 2014 15:27)
Rocky, you're one of the last people on this site to call anybody a joke and a complete nobody. With the stuff you routinely belch out through your keyboard, the only people predictably dumber than you are Lenard and Bam Bam. Please don't think anyone here regards you as anything other than a raging teenager, or an adult with the maturity of a raging teenager, living in the United States with dreams of Greater Albanian aspirations to keep you company at night.
"Our project is a Greater Europe with Serbia and Albania. A Greater Albania is an obsolete myth that has nothing to do with us," Albanian PM Edi Rama has said.
Ah it's nice some Western officials contacted him after his do-it-yourself speech yesterday and reminded him to stick to script. Though at the same time I wonder if he's really paying attention to the more "patriotic" Albanian elements around him in Macedonia and the disputed territory of Kosovo, where dreams of joining Albania are more than obsolete myths but help people win elections.
In other news, he lamented the alleged conditions of Albanians in Presevo and said they need to do everything possible to avoid assimilation. A worthy goal since no one likes being absorbed into another society. I'm sure Vucic is going to say the same when he visits northern Kosovo in a few weeks (which will no doubt be interpreted by Albanians there as politically provocative). Though I wonder why Rama worries so much about Presevo where Albanians are basically free to erect monuments to failed terrorist movements, while Greeks and Serbs in Albania are frequently and systematically given Albanianized names and denied all but the most rudimentary rights of identity? Maybe his crusade against assimilation can provide an example in minority rights in Shkoder and northern Epirus?
Or did I goof once again in pointing socio-political inconsistencies in Albania's own backyard? It's almost impossible not to.
This guy rama is a total maniac. Is he even a diplomat? Yesterday he comes as an albanian representative to visit since like 70 years and right away he starts behaving rude, agressive, insulting and disrespectful like he just came out of a jungle. Then he starts talking about some basketball game? Does he even know what he is saying? When i look at rama i think of big foot, this is who he reminds me of.
"If Germany got unified, then why the same cannot be applied to Albanians who are partitioned into 5 states. Albania is perhaps the only country in world which is surrounded in all sides by ethnic Albanians. this urges to revise current boundaries and establish some viable states and not multi-ethnic weakling creatures!"
(Abeis, 11 November 2014 10:29)
Stupid example. Germany was split after WW2, and the German unification was a natural reunification. There was no Albania until 1900, and there are ethnic German minorities living in Belgium, France, Czech Republic, even in Russia, and nobody demands to change boundaries. And there are ethnic Hungarians living in Serbia, Slovakia, Romania, Croatia, and more.
I think that this visit was a key point to relations between countries. I would not call them neighbors countries yet, as there is Kosovo independent and a state between that "neighbors" idea. Yet, this visit seems to be a big hit to remind Serbia about the reality that was actually never theirs.
May I say that I am impressed by the comments below?! 3 Comments and all of them seem to be finally realizing the truth. It's 2014 and you guys are like 14-15 years late, but as long as you live you learn- they say.
Why are we sitting around discussing this agent provocateur (Rama),who if he is the best politician in the Balkans, as one contributor maintains, he's certainly not much of a diplomat. To the other contributor who says Serbs want 49% of Bosnia....well I think that's a gross underestimation as Serbs actually have legal title to about 60% of it and therefore Dayton does need to be re-negotiated. I suspect they also have legal title to a considerable amount of the land in Kosovo too but I may be wrong there. I'm sure there's someone available to correct me, there usually is on this sad forum.
Serbia does not need to exist.
(azir, 11 November 2014 10:50)
Let me fix these comments for you:
Preshevo,Medvedja and Bujanovac is an internationally recognized part of Serbia.
Vojvodina is an internationally recognized part of Serbia.
Sandjak is an internationally recognized part of Serbia.
The ethnic Bulgarian Region (whose name you couldn't come up with but felt the need to somehow care about) is also an internationally recognized part of Serbia.
Belgrade is one of the most cosmopolitan cities in Southeastern Europe, visited annually by tens of thousands of people who all say they love it.
It's neither my fault nor my interest that you're a sad, angry, and pathetic little Albanian troll who spews hate speech and intolerance, ironically on a Serbian news site. It's also neither my fault nor my interest you're too stupid to recognize, let alone accept, internationally accepted territorial arrangements, many of which are more than 100 years old.
In short, no one care what you think needs or doesn't need to exist because you're nobody other than what I've classified you above. Go do something productive with your life for a change and leave the primitive hatred behind. With hard work and dedication, you may grow up to be a pleasant person.
You bloody turk you have the nerve and audacity to talk about albanian ancient lands.Does any of these lands bear any albanian name? No they bear Serbian names in the north and Greek ones in the south.Albanians were in turkey.
Democratic People's Republic of Kosova Ministry of Propaganda
pre 9 godina
Rama has given you a doze of medicine that although very bitter today, it will make you better.
(Leo, 11 November 2014 10:34)
Please explain how Rama is "best politician in Balkan"? All he's done so far is repaint many of the buildings in Tirana to make the city look less bleak and lifeless.
Ari your a complete joke, a complete nobody! I have absolutely no doubt that very soon you will get the chance you so desperately seek,
Says someone that spends his days spreading lies and hatred on a SERBIAN site, ironically enough. I dont see Ari running around on albanian sites, probably because u dont have any hell its a wonder that you even have internet.
"Greater Albania" it's a wrong term which manipulates the right one, "ethnic Albania"
(Nik Nika, 11 November 2014 22:32)
Well what ever retarded, brain dead name you would like to give it, the rest of us couldn't care less what you call it. The reality is in order to achieve it, you will have to steal territory from 4 different UN recognized countries. You started with Serbia, but that was only possible with a NATO airforce bombing Serbia while you commit atrocities against Kosovo-Metohija.
So think it through, ONLY the strongest military alliance was able to get the Serbian military to leave Kosovo-Metohija. Since then, you tried in FYR Macedonia and you lost. In central Serbia you tried, you lost again. In 2011, you tried to take Northern Mitrovica and one of the terrorists that came up to impose their will was shot dead. Again, not by any Serbian military, just ordinary Serbs in northern Kosovo-Metohija with nothing but the arms they keep in their homes.
So the general rule of thumb is without NATO, you lose. It is absolutely impossible to achieve your sick fantasies call it greater or ethnic Albania, doesn't matter. But you don't understand how much of a proponent I am of your project. I fully support you being so stupid enough to try. Please start already. I know you kind of already did, but I think it's time to ramp up efforts and really roll up your sleeves and get to work!
"Greater Albania?!! That's funny! Albania has insufficient capacity to develop its own territory and could not possibly do anything substantial in neighboring areas. "
Agreed, Albania lacks capacity to absorb more territory. West-Germany experienced a lot of trouble when it united with the East and Germany itself went through a lot of pain after re-unification and depending who or what you read, its still paying for it. If a country as rich as Germany has trouble with that, a country as poor as Albania would go bankrupt 10 times over taking in more areas. Greater Albania, as well as being unattainable, and for me personally undesirable, is not even in Albania's interest. Neither Serbs nor Albanians need bigger borders, they need better living standards
Greater Albania?!! That's funny! Albania has insufficient capacity to develop its own territory and could not possibly do anything substantial in neighboring areas. This obsession we have with Greater Albania, Greater Serbia, Greater Bulgaria, whatever... is sad. Writers on this site and elsewhere are justifiably angry - but what is the real reason that we are angry? We are angry because of the terrible economic situation that the entire Balkans is in. And that situation has to do with your own leaders during the past 20 years not making the reforms necessary to move your countries forward. Instead they practice cronyism and keep you distracted by constantly fueling the ethnic nonsense that is a cancer in this region.
It's time to swep away all fears from 'greater Albania' because it is an inavoidable end.
(Abeis, 11 November 2014 10:29)
You mean unavoidable? It sure as hell can be avoidable if the sovereign UN recognized countries of Serbia, Greece, Macedonia and Montenegro understand what the biggest threat to the common security and stability of the region is. I don't know how you will confiscate territories from 4 countries because the only place you've ever succeeded to occupy is with NATO as your air force. Think about that, nothing else on this planet would have caused Serbia's military to leave Kosovo-Metohija except for the strongest military alliance on the planet. How are you going to get such support against 4 countries, one of which is a founding member of NATO?
"If Germany got unified, then why the same cannot be applied to Albanians who are partitioned into 5 states. Albania is perhaps the only country in world which is surrounded in all sides by ethnic Albanians."
Albania was created in 1912 and did not have any of these territories you aspire to steal. The reason why Albania is surrounded by ethnic Albanians is because so many got the hell out of there and went to live in Yugoslavia because Hoxha's Albania was the most primitive, barbaric country in Europe at the time.
Serbia does not need to exist.
(azir, 11 November 2014 10:50)
Let me fix these comments for you:
Preshevo,Medvedja and Bujanovac is an internationally recognized part of Serbia.
Vojvodina is an internationally recognized part of Serbia.
Sandjak is an internationally recognized part of Serbia.
The ethnic Bulgarian Region (whose name you couldn't come up with but felt the need to somehow care about) is also an internationally recognized part of Serbia.
Belgrade is one of the most cosmopolitan cities in Southeastern Europe, visited annually by tens of thousands of people who all say they love it.
It's neither my fault nor my interest that you're a sad, angry, and pathetic little Albanian troll who spews hate speech and intolerance, ironically on a Serbian news site. It's also neither my fault nor my interest you're too stupid to recognize, let alone accept, internationally accepted territorial arrangements, many of which are more than 100 years old.
In short, no one care what you think needs or doesn't need to exist because you're nobody other than what I've classified you above. Go do something productive with your life for a change and leave the primitive hatred behind. With hard work and dedication, you may grow up to be a pleasant person.
You bloody turk you have the nerve and audacity to talk about albanian ancient lands.Does any of these lands bear any albanian name? No they bear Serbian names in the north and Greek ones in the south.Albanians were in turkey.
This guy rama is a total maniac. Is he even a diplomat? Yesterday he comes as an albanian representative to visit since like 70 years and right away he starts behaving rude, agressive, insulting and disrespectful like he just came out of a jungle. Then he starts talking about some basketball game? Does he even know what he is saying? When i look at rama i think of big foot, this is who he reminds me of.
Ignorant Serbs must understand that what Albania's PM Rama publicly declared is not what 109 other countries of the world hadn't done already.
serbia's continued occupation of Presheva,Medvedja and Bujanoc is a provocation.
serbia's continued occupation of Hungarian-Vojvodina is a provocation.
serbia's continued occupation of Sandjak is a provocation.
serbia's continurd occupation of Ethnic Bulgarian Region is also a provocation.
Belgrade being Europe's War Crimes Capital is a provocation.
"Our project is a Greater Europe with Serbia and Albania. A Greater Albania is an obsolete myth that has nothing to do with us," Albanian PM Edi Rama has said.
Ah it's nice some Western officials contacted him after his do-it-yourself speech yesterday and reminded him to stick to script. Though at the same time I wonder if he's really paying attention to the more "patriotic" Albanian elements around him in Macedonia and the disputed territory of Kosovo, where dreams of joining Albania are more than obsolete myths but help people win elections.
In other news, he lamented the alleged conditions of Albanians in Presevo and said they need to do everything possible to avoid assimilation. A worthy goal since no one likes being absorbed into another society. I'm sure Vucic is going to say the same when he visits northern Kosovo in a few weeks (which will no doubt be interpreted by Albanians there as politically provocative). Though I wonder why Rama worries so much about Presevo where Albanians are basically free to erect monuments to failed terrorist movements, while Greeks and Serbs in Albania are frequently and systematically given Albanianized names and denied all but the most rudimentary rights of identity? Maybe his crusade against assimilation can provide an example in minority rights in Shkoder and northern Epirus?
Or did I goof once again in pointing socio-political inconsistencies in Albania's own backyard? It's almost impossible not to.
Serbian propaganda has embarked on a deliberate campaign to vilify as much as possible the unification between Albania and Kosova. This well-organized propaganda is using the fear to influence the opinions and actions of others towards some specific end. The feared object or subject is sometimes exaggerated, and the pattern of fear mongering is usually one of repetition, in order to continuously reinforce the intended effects of this tactic, sometimes in the form of a vicious circle. Thus, 'Greater Albania' is proclaimed by those who are covetous to conceal the project of 'Greater Serbia'. One is tempted to ask which one is more meneacing? I reckon the latter because it is Serbia who is trying to establish a large state which would allegedly encompass 'all Serbian lands'. According to this project, 49% of Bosnia and northern parts of Kosova would be incorporated within this state. In the meantime, serbs are anxious to carve up certain areas of Macedonia. But this project is going awry as long as Serbia has weakened greatly and its population is dying out. It's time to swep away all fears from 'greater Albania' because it is an inavoidable end. If Germany got unified, then why the same cannot be applied to Albanians who are partitioned into 5 states. Albania is perhaps the only country in world which is surrounded in all sides by ethnic Albanians. this urges to revise current boundaries and establish some viable states and not multi-ethnic weakling creatures!
Dealing with Albania is a different thing to dealing with Kosovo. The biggest mistake that the Serb establishment has ever made is to start a "fight" with Albania. You are no match for Rama! He is currently the best politician in Balkan.
Aside all the media coverage and the emotions, Rama actually did a big favor to Serbia. From today politician in Serbia are free to talk with their Albanians counterpart about everything and anything. Finally some common sense and constructive talks and no more pathetic football fights, flag stunts or so called "provocations" talks.
You are free Serbia from your nightmares and anxiety. Rama has given you a doze of medicine that although very bitter today, it will make you better.
Ari your a complete joke, a complete nobody! I have absolutely no doubt that very soon you will get the chance you so desperately seek,
Says someone that spends his days spreading lies and hatred on a SERBIAN site, ironically enough. I dont see Ari running around on albanian sites, probably because u dont have any hell its a wonder that you even have internet.
Ari your a complete joke, a complete nobody!
(Rocky, 11 November 2014 15:27)
Rocky, you're one of the last people on this site to call anybody a joke and a complete nobody. With the stuff you routinely belch out through your keyboard, the only people predictably dumber than you are Lenard and Bam Bam. Please don't think anyone here regards you as anything other than a raging teenager, or an adult with the maturity of a raging teenager, living in the United States with dreams of Greater Albanian aspirations to keep you company at night.
Democratic People's Republic of Kosova Ministry of Propaganda
pre 9 godina
Rama has given you a doze of medicine that although very bitter today, it will make you better.
(Leo, 11 November 2014 10:34)
Please explain how Rama is "best politician in Balkan"? All he's done so far is repaint many of the buildings in Tirana to make the city look less bleak and lifeless.
Why are we sitting around discussing this agent provocateur (Rama),who if he is the best politician in the Balkans, as one contributor maintains, he's certainly not much of a diplomat. To the other contributor who says Serbs want 49% of Bosnia....well I think that's a gross underestimation as Serbs actually have legal title to about 60% of it and therefore Dayton does need to be re-negotiated. I suspect they also have legal title to a considerable amount of the land in Kosovo too but I may be wrong there. I'm sure there's someone available to correct me, there usually is on this sad forum.
of course Albania does not have expansionist ambitions, because Albania lacks even the most basic capacity to do such a thing. and in any case, it is unattainable and unrealistic. i don't want a greater Albania or ethnic Albania because they are as abhorrent as Greater Serbia is. a form or greater Albania can happen with EU accession and borders becoming meaningless, that I have no doubt will be the case within 20 years. he is right on Kosovo however, its gone and its never coming back and frankly, it isn't even in Serbia's interest to have it back
all states come about by ethnic minorities declaring an own state. its how Serbia came into existence.
@Ari Gold, is that how part of Bosnia became Serbian, because Serbs left the hell hole that was Serbia and migrated to Bosnia? its a pity what's happened to Krajina Serbs though isn't it? chasing a Greater Serbia myth and ending up becoming izbeglicas in Serbia proper. I even remember them coming to Kosovo and being settled in Hotel Bozhur in Prishtina. very sad actually. don't worry Ari Gold, however backward you think Albanians are, we're not stupid enough to chase Greater myths the way the heavenly people did in Croatia and end up being kicked out.
Albania was created in 1912 and did not have any of these territories you aspire to steal. The reason why Albania is surrounded by ethnic Albanians is because so many got the hell out of there and went to live in Yugoslavia because Hoxha's Albania was the most primitive, barbaric country in Europe at the time.
(Ari Gold, 11 November 2014 11:05)
When most of the Albanian lands were annexed in 1912 Enver Hoxha was nowhere near the political scene, heck he was probably still in elementary school, you idiot! And another quick point Einstein, don't forget that in 1912 we weak Albanians didn't have NATO, and yet we engaged your barbaric Serbia along with her unholy alliance while at the same time routing out the Turk colossus which occupied our ancient ancestral lands! Oh do many of our Albanian feet walk everyday upon our ancestral lands with pride and our heads held high, walking over the rottening bones of the many of our barbaric foes which our warrior forefathers slew with great bravery & ferocity!
Ari your a complete joke, a complete nobody! I have absolutely no doubt that very soon you will get the chance you so desperately seek, and when that time does arrive it will unleash upon those who seek it a pride of lions of great courage & ferociousness! Remember Ari we are right at home in these ancient lands of ours, we have much more to lose then you a alien to these lands does!!!
"If Germany got unified, then why the same cannot be applied to Albanians who are partitioned into 5 states. Albania is perhaps the only country in world which is surrounded in all sides by ethnic Albanians. this urges to revise current boundaries and establish some viable states and not multi-ethnic weakling creatures!"
(Abeis, 11 November 2014 10:29)
Stupid example. Germany was split after WW2, and the German unification was a natural reunification. There was no Albania until 1900, and there are ethnic German minorities living in Belgium, France, Czech Republic, even in Russia, and nobody demands to change boundaries. And there are ethnic Hungarians living in Serbia, Slovakia, Romania, Croatia, and more.
"Greater Albania" it's a wrong term which manipulates the right one, "ethnic Albania".Its a historical fact that half of territories of ethnic Albania were left outside the today Albania borders. Changing borders now its not a good idea and its not going to happen anyway. The key is that minorities to have the all rights, serbians, greeks, albanians etc. But that doesn't happen. A bad example is Greece which is even part of EU!!! Despite greek minority enjoing all the rights in Albania, the massacred ethnic albanians of Chameria cant even visit their abandoned homes!!!! Is this the Europe we want to join!?
"A Greater Albania is an obsolete myth that has nothing to do with us," Albanian PM Edi Rama has said.
Clear words - nice to hear those from an Albanian PM. It's a nothing but a myth, yes, and it's obsolete, too.
"Show me at least one proof of that in my career or in the career of any Albanian politician that would support they stood for a Greater Albania."
Nonsense words, it's well known that there are extremist politicians that advocate Greater Albania, though they prefer to call it 'natural Albania'.
"It is not something I dreamed up. It is the reality. Many countries that Serbia cooperates with recognized Kosovo as an independent state."
Yes, and some dozens others don't recognize Kosovo as an independent state - so there must be two or more realitites. Is this possible?
No, better see the one real reality, which is: Kosovo is nothing but a disputed territory where etnic minorities declared an own state, like Palestine, South Ossetia, the famous 'Republik Donetsk' in Ukraine and a few other 'states'
"However, after this kind of incident it is evident that our roads are different," Drecun observed, and added that Rama's decision to speak about Kosovo as an independent state was an example of Greater Albania pretensions..
This is nonsense, too. An independent Kosovo is the oppositie of Greater Albania. The Kosovo nationalists, for example the so-called 'Self-Determination movement', want a unification with Albania, i.e. no independent Kosovo.
"Greater Albania" it's a wrong term which manipulates the right one, "ethnic Albania"
(Nik Nika, 11 November 2014 22:32)
Well what ever retarded, brain dead name you would like to give it, the rest of us couldn't care less what you call it. The reality is in order to achieve it, you will have to steal territory from 4 different UN recognized countries. You started with Serbia, but that was only possible with a NATO airforce bombing Serbia while you commit atrocities against Kosovo-Metohija.
So think it through, ONLY the strongest military alliance was able to get the Serbian military to leave Kosovo-Metohija. Since then, you tried in FYR Macedonia and you lost. In central Serbia you tried, you lost again. In 2011, you tried to take Northern Mitrovica and one of the terrorists that came up to impose their will was shot dead. Again, not by any Serbian military, just ordinary Serbs in northern Kosovo-Metohija with nothing but the arms they keep in their homes.
So the general rule of thumb is without NATO, you lose. It is absolutely impossible to achieve your sick fantasies call it greater or ethnic Albania, doesn't matter. But you don't understand how much of a proponent I am of your project. I fully support you being so stupid enough to try. Please start already. I know you kind of already did, but I think it's time to ramp up efforts and really roll up your sleeves and get to work!
I think that this visit was a key point to relations between countries. I would not call them neighbors countries yet, as there is Kosovo independent and a state between that "neighbors" idea. Yet, this visit seems to be a big hit to remind Serbia about the reality that was actually never theirs.
May I say that I am impressed by the comments below?! 3 Comments and all of them seem to be finally realizing the truth. It's 2014 and you guys are like 14-15 years late, but as long as you live you learn- they say.
"Greater Albania?!! That's funny! Albania has insufficient capacity to develop its own territory and could not possibly do anything substantial in neighboring areas. "
Agreed, Albania lacks capacity to absorb more territory. West-Germany experienced a lot of trouble when it united with the East and Germany itself went through a lot of pain after re-unification and depending who or what you read, its still paying for it. If a country as rich as Germany has trouble with that, a country as poor as Albania would go bankrupt 10 times over taking in more areas. Greater Albania, as well as being unattainable, and for me personally undesirable, is not even in Albania's interest. Neither Serbs nor Albanians need bigger borders, they need better living standards
Greater Albania?!! That's funny! Albania has insufficient capacity to develop its own territory and could not possibly do anything substantial in neighboring areas. This obsession we have with Greater Albania, Greater Serbia, Greater Bulgaria, whatever... is sad. Writers on this site and elsewhere are justifiably angry - but what is the real reason that we are angry? We are angry because of the terrible economic situation that the entire Balkans is in. And that situation has to do with your own leaders during the past 20 years not making the reforms necessary to move your countries forward. Instead they practice cronyism and keep you distracted by constantly fueling the ethnic nonsense that is a cancer in this region.
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