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Friday, 07.11.2014.

11:29

Šešelj's release "attempt to destabilize country"

Serbian Labor Minister Aleksandar Vulin has said that it was Prime Minister Aleksandar Vučić who enabled for <a href="http://www.b92.net/eng/news/crimes.php?yyyy=2014&mm=11&dd=06&nav_id=92167" class="text-link" target= "_blank">Vojislav Šešelj to return to Serbia. </a>

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boom

pre 9 godina

@ari gold
Can you back your statement with some evidence just like I backed mine.
Otherwise stop regurgitating your despicable nazi propaganda vomit.
We know you are eager to go to war, Donetsk is calling, pack your bags, stop collecting welfare in the UK and leave. Your dreams might come true and you might get a chance of forcing yourself onto an defenseless innocent underage girl over there, as your idols did so often in Bosnia and Kosovo.

Ari Gold

pre 9 godina

I am sad because I see more and more of it on Belgrade streets.
(boom, 11 November 2014 06:42)

You haven't ever been on Belgrade streets. You are Albanian. Not that I don't know that there are plenty of self-hating Serbs in Belgrade, but the point is they don't make it an every day job to come on the internet and lie about their country.

If you cannot accept the fact that thousands of Serbian civilians, more than any other nation from ex-YU, were brutally slaughtered by Bosnian Islamist, Albanian separatists and Croatian neo-Nazis then you are a racist and a bigot.

roberto

pre 9 godina

"And the reason why is because you are an anti-Serb bigot. A foaming-at-the-mouth racist. Fortunately, I've seen your picture and it shows you are pretty old. I am glad I am just entering the prime of my life while you are way past yours. One less hateful monkey on this planet, the better.(Ari Gold, 10 November 2014 20:12)"

So who do we blame for such nasty, racist attack dog rantings and vicious personal assaults and "subtle" death threats - the attack dogs themselves or the ppl who publish and promote them, endlessly? i think the answer is pretty clear...

boom

pre 9 godina

@ari gold

From the Final report of the United Nations Commission of Experts on Bosnia:

"All parties involved in the conflict have committed «grave breaches» of the Geneva Conventions and other violations of international humanitarian law. These violations include the killing of civilians, rape torture, and the deliberate destruction of civilian property, including cultural and religious property, such as churches and mosques. But, there are significant qualitative differences. Most of the violations were committed by Serbs against Bosnian Muslims.[7]"

In 2004 the International Crime Tribunal ruled that Serbs did commit genocide in Srebrenica. Here is the link.
Do you realize what Genocide mean?
That is what we did to our neighbor.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Srebrenica_massacre

Check out the link below if you need more info.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serbia_in_the_Yugoslav_Wars#War_crimes

I am tired of your rubbish Ari Gold. I am sure the International Court or the UN Commission are puppets of the devil US in your mind and we didn’t do anything wrong, but only when we as a nation stop living in denial and accept that what we did was wrong, apologize for the untold suffering we caused to our neighbors then our healing process will begin. Right now our society is sick with denial, nationalism and hate and people like you are the living proof of this. I am sad because I see more and more of it on Belgrade streets.

willi Pfaff

pre 9 godina

(Ari Gold, 10 November 2014 20:12)

fact is, you talk, you argue, u use the vocabulary of Nazis, and you act like one. Listening to you, with all the hate ond wrong brainwashed Milosevic crap is like listening to one of these horrible people who used to rule the country I was borne in. I am not the only one who has noticed that here, other postsers came to same conclusion.

Ari Gold

pre 9 godina

(Willi Pfaff, 10 November 2014 12:57)

No Nazi dinosaur, you are the one who has no problem trivializing your Germany's murderous and blood-soaked attempts to dominate Europe by thinking it can be compared to absolutely anything that went on in the Balkans. What you also do is ignore the over hundred thousand Serbs who were brutally slaughtered during the Yugoslav wars and many thousand women raped in the process.

You make a conscience choice to ignore the murders, rape of Serbian civilians, the organ harvesting and trafficking, the thousands of mujahadeen jihadists that came to the Balkans in the 90s or the fact that Operation Storm was the largest act of ethnic cleansing post WWII. You choose to ignore the dangerous, inhumane conditions that Serbs south of the Ibar live.

And the reason why is because you are an anti-Serb bigot. A foaming-at-the-mouth racist. Fortunately, I've seen your picture and it shows you are pretty old. I am glad I am just entering the prime of my life while you are way past yours. One less hateful monkey on this planet, the better.

Danilo

pre 9 godina

Historical events greatly impact who we are, who we become and how we act.
(Dragoslav, 10 November 2014 13:14)


Strange non-sequitor.

One is or isn't nazi-like due to the ideas they harbor and espouse not "because history"

Dragoslav

pre 9 godina

One is or isn't nazi-like due to the ideas that one harbours, not because of anything that happened in history.
Danilo,

A bunch of malarkey, Mr. Danilo Jurisich.

Historical events greatly impact who we are, who we become and how we act.

Willi Pfaff

pre 9 godina

@(Ari Gold, 10 November 2014 11:53)

Yes, you do show Nazi like behaviour when you complety ignor, well even justify the raps, the killings, the mass murder committed in the name of Serbia all over the balkans. You act like a Nazi, when you look down on Albanians as sub-human, not worth anything, creatures that can just be eliminated, and treated like animals. That is Nazi ideology, and that is what you spread here.
Amnisty International even came out last week and said that Serbia has a lot to do to come to terms with its past.
http://www.b92.net/eng/news/society.php?yyyy=2014&mm=11&dd=05&nav_id=92138
Besides that, it is an insult and a defemation of all the innocent jewish people killed by the Nazis if you try to compare the the situation of Serbs living in Kosovo to jews being killed and slaughtered by the Nazis in the Warsaw getto. Shame on you, but nothing else can be expected from you anyway.

Ari Gold

pre 9 godina

(Danilo, 10 November 2014 10:57)

If the Nazi movement was responsible for the deaths of hundreds of thousands of Serbs, I do not for the life of me understand how any Serb could have sympathies to the Nazi movement. Obviously there can exist complete idiots who do not see the absolute insanity of supporting an ideology that was responsible for such aggression on your population.

But if you read what was said, "boom" indicated I was a "nazi" because I refuse to dehumanize Serbs. Serbs in Kosovo-Metohija south of the Ibar are living in ethnic ghettos reminiscent of Warsaw 1940 and I'M the Nazi. ok

sj

pre 9 godina

(just wondering, 10 November 2014 10:23)

During the wars of the 1990s many inhumane activities took place, including rape and that invovles all sides. I’m tired of idiots parroting how the Serbs raped or drank their way to victory. The story I have been telling is true and it came out at the height of the war in Bosnia. There are many others true stories and that is why I call rape a henious act.
I don’t have to creat a thing. Its sounds incredible becasue I’m dealing with people with less capacity and intelect who think that every word that is uttered by CNN, BBC or Fox is the gospel truth. I’m a great listerner to many radio programs throughout the western world and I am old enough to know what is fact and what is BS.
Perhaps when the opposing side takes a good look at themsleves and debate the issue properly then I’ll change my tack otherwise they can take a flying leap.

just wondering

pre 9 godina

(sj, 10 November 2014 07:04)
I think this is about the 4th time I have read the "rape story" that you have posted on B92, that somehow changes the whole slant(for you) on the tens of thousands of reported rapes that came out of the Balkans. I guess the million dollar question is: Is there any support to the veracity of this "story" or are you just repeating a rumor you heard and stamping your seal of "truth" on it to prove your point. Wouldn't be the first or really the 1000th time you have created supposed credentials to verify your claims.
Even if true, one incident does not redefine the ungodly acts that took place in the 90's!

Danilo

pre 9 godina

I'm a "nazi"? hahaha, like S.S. Skenderbeg, S.S. Handzar or the "Independent State of Croatia"?? No sorry, I could never be a Nazi since hundreds of thousands of Serbs were murdered by Nazism in a couple of short years.

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You seem to be saying that it's impossible for a Serb to be a Nazi because NDH. Of course, this is ridiculous. What happened 50 years ago isn't some kind of inter-generational vaccine

One is or isn't nazi-like due to the ideas that one harbours, not because of anything that happened in history.

sj

pre 9 godina

(boom, 8 November 2014 06:54)
Rape is a henious crime, but as it seems to be your theme, I recall a story that was told by Bosniaks at the height of the war in Bosnia. In a hospitial in Geneva a young Bosnian women was going to give birth to a child that was concieved after being raped a Serb.
The story went dead because the girl gave birth to a black child and that would have been a very difficult to pin the rape on a Serb.
There were Serb women that were raped in Croatia and Bosnia during the war.

sj

pre 9 godina

(PR8677, 8 November 2014 21:11)

This is the rubbish that the brainless and brainwashed pour out. This is the 21 century and they write as if its 1960. It comes at a terrible surprise to them that China is now the No1 economy in the world (not the US). They believe that the US has 5.8% unemployed but why is there such a great dissatisfaction in the US where ordinary people are saying their standard of living has fallen dramatically, hmmmmm???? Simply – there comes a point of critical mass where BS cannot cover the reality. Or ask yourself when was the last time the minimum hourly wage went up in the US?
Russia will not implode but the US is in serious trouble as they continue to take out much needed money to pay for unwinnable wars while everything in the US is going to s***.
Sanctions against Russia? The US banks borrow from Asia and now so does Russia. You really need to go back to school.

Ari Gold

pre 9 godina

(boom, 8 November 2014 06:54)

I'm a "nazi"? hahaha, like S.S. Skenderbeg, S.S. Handzar or the "Independent State of Croatia"?? No sorry, I could never be a Nazi since hundreds of thousands of Serbs were murdered by Nazism in a couple of short years.

As far as what you posted, I have no idea where its from, what it has to do with this article, or what point your trying to make, exactly. What the actions of a couple of sick individuals have to do with Serbia as a whole, I don't know. (if this is even true, again, there's nothing to prove that it is).

What I do know is that horrible things happened on all sides in the Ex-YU conflicts. To say any different is to ignore murder and rape of countless of Serbian civilians all over the Ex-YU territory.

To consistently highlight what YOU perceive to be as factual accounts of the war, but to completely ignore other accounts of the same exact things happening to Serbian civilians is an act of racism and bigotry.

point of view

pre 9 godina

I think Vulin this likes to live in his parallel world of conspiracy theories, like a lot of his countrymen do, unfortunately. Some Serbian politicians would be good comedians - in a absurd comedy show.
(Comm. Parrisson, 7 November 2014 19:28)
It is not just Vulin, how many times has Vucic taken the podium to claim that every single negative incident is a conspiracy against him and his family. Remember the confrontation of his brother at the pride parade??
It feeds into the Serbian view that if there are conspiracies against you, it somehow means you are actually a good person whom others want to bring down.

PR8677

pre 9 godina

Read between the lines, Putin is why Serbia is being destabilized:

Russia should have learned about opposing America from its failures during the Cold War. America's economic strength is what defeated the Soviet Union, and we will squeeze Russia now just as we did in the 1980s. Russia fancies itself as a world power, but it's economy is that of a pitiful 3rd world country. Every world power needs a powerful economy to sustain its military, Russia simply doesn't have that, it never did and it never will. That's why you are seeing such drastic effects of sanctions on Russia. If Russia continues its assault on Ukraine, and there's no signal that it will stop considering it just sent a column of 30 tanks into Ukraine, then the sanctions will endure well into 2015, at which time the Russian government will be forced to raise taxes, cut spending, or both to sustain a manageable budget, even as the price of everything in Russia skyrockets. This will cause unrest in Russia much like what happened when the Soviet Union collapsed. The only question that remains is whether Russia will implode due to mass riots or a coup.

boom

pre 9 godina

For Ari Gold and his nazi friends:
12–13 July: crimes committed in Potočari by Serbs
On 12 July 1995, as the day wore on, the refugees in the compound could see VRS soldiers setting houses on fire.
That night, a Dutchbat medical orderly witnessed two Serb soldiers raping a young woman.[55] One survivor described the murder of a baby and the rape of women occurring in the close vicinity of Dutch U.N. peacekeepers who did nothing to prevent it. According to the survivor, a Serb told a mother to make her child stop crying, and when it continued to cry he took it and slit its throat, after which he laughed.[56] Stories about rapes and killings spread through the crowd and the terror in the camp escalated.[41] Several individuals were so terrified that they committed suicide by hanging themselves.[51]

One of the survivors, Zarfa Turkovic,[57] described the horrors of rapes as follows: "Two [Serb soldiers] took her legs and raised them up in the air, while the third began raping her. Four of them were taking turns on her. People were silent, no one moved. She was screaming and yelling and begging them to stop. They put a rag into her mouth and then we just heard silent sobs...."[58]

marKo

pre 9 godina

The minister then said that the drone with a "Greater Albania" map flown above the football pitch in Belgrade during a Serbia-Albania game was "sent by foreign services with the goal of destabilizing the country."

I think this guy is smoking dope.

Paul

pre 9 godina

This is the weirdest display I've heard out of a Serb here at B92. B92 reported another guy, Babic, spouting similar confusion:

http://www.b92.net/eng/news/politics.php?yyyy=2014&mm=11&dd=07&nav_id=92178

One might almost imagine the whole purpose of the ICTY was to "stabilize" Serbia, the way these guys talk. No comments from them about the utter lack of substance from the prosecution in this trial and the fact that the only reason he is still locked up is because they just want him locked up. They don't know where to go with the trial, they have nothing on him.

He's coming home now. Look for a speed recovery. The ICTY are the sick ones here.

cry me a river

pre 9 godina

if your country can be destabilized with a child's toy, then that's the problem you should be looking at solving rather than crying about who might be operating said toy.
(Danilo

God forbid the said toy is a drone.

cry me a river

pre 9 godina

@Nenad,
Seselj does suffer from a mental disorder. It's called psychopathy. Serbs have a knack for selecting leaders who suffer from this mental disorder.

Comm. Parrisson

pre 9 godina

So a humanitarian release of an old, ill man is an act of destabilizing Serbia? And the release is well timed because of this and that? And the drone with the ugly Albanian banner was flown by 'foreign services'? So far I thought Serbian police quickly found out that it was flown by the brother of the Albanian PM?

I think Vulin this likes to live in his parallel world of conspiracy theories, like a lot of his countrymen do, unfortunately. Some Serbian politicians would be good comedians - in a absurd comedy show.

Ari Gold

pre 9 godina

Hahahaha, Vucic leads a pro-organ harvesting policy and they repay him by embarrassing him right in Belgrade with a drone provocation. Vucic leads the "EU has no alternative" destructive policy and they repay him by releasing his mentor to make a fool out of him some more.

Keep walking down the path to nowhere. Keep on appeasing separatists and keep on trying to jump onto the titanic (EU), while the iceberg is clearly in sight. It's been going great so far!

Nenad

pre 9 godina

I'm actually starting to feel sorry for this guy, as it appears that he is literally suffering from a serious mental illness. Are people actually listening to him? If so, I can kind of see why there are so many delusional posts on this site. I just wish that B92 wouldn't perpetuate the problem by publishing this trash. Maybe in today's Serbia they have little choice? Mr Matic?

Danilo

pre 9 godina

if your country can be destabilized with a child's toy, then that's the problem you should be looking at solving rather than crying about who might be operating said toy.

willi Pfaff

pre 9 godina

hahaha ...what other proof is needed that this clown is out of his mind? Sad thing is, he is part of the serb government, but after this he should be transfered to a luni bin.

Josip

pre 9 godina

Huh? These statements and conspiracy theories sound like something one would read in the B92 comment sections rather than quotes from a government official.

Josip

pre 9 godina

Huh? These statements and conspiracy theories sound like something one would read in the B92 comment sections rather than quotes from a government official.

Danilo

pre 9 godina

if your country can be destabilized with a child's toy, then that's the problem you should be looking at solving rather than crying about who might be operating said toy.

cry me a river

pre 9 godina

@Nenad,
Seselj does suffer from a mental disorder. It's called psychopathy. Serbs have a knack for selecting leaders who suffer from this mental disorder.

willi Pfaff

pre 9 godina

hahaha ...what other proof is needed that this clown is out of his mind? Sad thing is, he is part of the serb government, but after this he should be transfered to a luni bin.

Nenad

pre 9 godina

I'm actually starting to feel sorry for this guy, as it appears that he is literally suffering from a serious mental illness. Are people actually listening to him? If so, I can kind of see why there are so many delusional posts on this site. I just wish that B92 wouldn't perpetuate the problem by publishing this trash. Maybe in today's Serbia they have little choice? Mr Matic?

Ari Gold

pre 9 godina

Hahahaha, Vucic leads a pro-organ harvesting policy and they repay him by embarrassing him right in Belgrade with a drone provocation. Vucic leads the "EU has no alternative" destructive policy and they repay him by releasing his mentor to make a fool out of him some more.

Keep walking down the path to nowhere. Keep on appeasing separatists and keep on trying to jump onto the titanic (EU), while the iceberg is clearly in sight. It's been going great so far!

Comm. Parrisson

pre 9 godina

So a humanitarian release of an old, ill man is an act of destabilizing Serbia? And the release is well timed because of this and that? And the drone with the ugly Albanian banner was flown by 'foreign services'? So far I thought Serbian police quickly found out that it was flown by the brother of the Albanian PM?

I think Vulin this likes to live in his parallel world of conspiracy theories, like a lot of his countrymen do, unfortunately. Some Serbian politicians would be good comedians - in a absurd comedy show.

boom

pre 9 godina

For Ari Gold and his nazi friends:
12–13 July: crimes committed in Potočari by Serbs
On 12 July 1995, as the day wore on, the refugees in the compound could see VRS soldiers setting houses on fire.
That night, a Dutchbat medical orderly witnessed two Serb soldiers raping a young woman.[55] One survivor described the murder of a baby and the rape of women occurring in the close vicinity of Dutch U.N. peacekeepers who did nothing to prevent it. According to the survivor, a Serb told a mother to make her child stop crying, and when it continued to cry he took it and slit its throat, after which he laughed.[56] Stories about rapes and killings spread through the crowd and the terror in the camp escalated.[41] Several individuals were so terrified that they committed suicide by hanging themselves.[51]

One of the survivors, Zarfa Turkovic,[57] described the horrors of rapes as follows: "Two [Serb soldiers] took her legs and raised them up in the air, while the third began raping her. Four of them were taking turns on her. People were silent, no one moved. She was screaming and yelling and begging them to stop. They put a rag into her mouth and then we just heard silent sobs...."[58]

marKo

pre 9 godina

The minister then said that the drone with a "Greater Albania" map flown above the football pitch in Belgrade during a Serbia-Albania game was "sent by foreign services with the goal of destabilizing the country."

I think this guy is smoking dope.

PR8677

pre 9 godina

Read between the lines, Putin is why Serbia is being destabilized:

Russia should have learned about opposing America from its failures during the Cold War. America's economic strength is what defeated the Soviet Union, and we will squeeze Russia now just as we did in the 1980s. Russia fancies itself as a world power, but it's economy is that of a pitiful 3rd world country. Every world power needs a powerful economy to sustain its military, Russia simply doesn't have that, it never did and it never will. That's why you are seeing such drastic effects of sanctions on Russia. If Russia continues its assault on Ukraine, and there's no signal that it will stop considering it just sent a column of 30 tanks into Ukraine, then the sanctions will endure well into 2015, at which time the Russian government will be forced to raise taxes, cut spending, or both to sustain a manageable budget, even as the price of everything in Russia skyrockets. This will cause unrest in Russia much like what happened when the Soviet Union collapsed. The only question that remains is whether Russia will implode due to mass riots or a coup.

boom

pre 9 godina

@ari gold

From the Final report of the United Nations Commission of Experts on Bosnia:

"All parties involved in the conflict have committed «grave breaches» of the Geneva Conventions and other violations of international humanitarian law. These violations include the killing of civilians, rape torture, and the deliberate destruction of civilian property, including cultural and religious property, such as churches and mosques. But, there are significant qualitative differences. Most of the violations were committed by Serbs against Bosnian Muslims.[7]"

In 2004 the International Crime Tribunal ruled that Serbs did commit genocide in Srebrenica. Here is the link.
Do you realize what Genocide mean?
That is what we did to our neighbor.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Srebrenica_massacre

Check out the link below if you need more info.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serbia_in_the_Yugoslav_Wars#War_crimes

I am tired of your rubbish Ari Gold. I am sure the International Court or the UN Commission are puppets of the devil US in your mind and we didn’t do anything wrong, but only when we as a nation stop living in denial and accept that what we did was wrong, apologize for the untold suffering we caused to our neighbors then our healing process will begin. Right now our society is sick with denial, nationalism and hate and people like you are the living proof of this. I am sad because I see more and more of it on Belgrade streets.

point of view

pre 9 godina

I think Vulin this likes to live in his parallel world of conspiracy theories, like a lot of his countrymen do, unfortunately. Some Serbian politicians would be good comedians - in a absurd comedy show.
(Comm. Parrisson, 7 November 2014 19:28)
It is not just Vulin, how many times has Vucic taken the podium to claim that every single negative incident is a conspiracy against him and his family. Remember the confrontation of his brother at the pride parade??
It feeds into the Serbian view that if there are conspiracies against you, it somehow means you are actually a good person whom others want to bring down.

cry me a river

pre 9 godina

if your country can be destabilized with a child's toy, then that's the problem you should be looking at solving rather than crying about who might be operating said toy.
(Danilo

God forbid the said toy is a drone.

Willi Pfaff

pre 9 godina

@(Ari Gold, 10 November 2014 11:53)

Yes, you do show Nazi like behaviour when you complety ignor, well even justify the raps, the killings, the mass murder committed in the name of Serbia all over the balkans. You act like a Nazi, when you look down on Albanians as sub-human, not worth anything, creatures that can just be eliminated, and treated like animals. That is Nazi ideology, and that is what you spread here.
Amnisty International even came out last week and said that Serbia has a lot to do to come to terms with its past.
http://www.b92.net/eng/news/society.php?yyyy=2014&mm=11&dd=05&nav_id=92138
Besides that, it is an insult and a defemation of all the innocent jewish people killed by the Nazis if you try to compare the the situation of Serbs living in Kosovo to jews being killed and slaughtered by the Nazis in the Warsaw getto. Shame on you, but nothing else can be expected from you anyway.

willi Pfaff

pre 9 godina

(Ari Gold, 10 November 2014 20:12)

fact is, you talk, you argue, u use the vocabulary of Nazis, and you act like one. Listening to you, with all the hate ond wrong brainwashed Milosevic crap is like listening to one of these horrible people who used to rule the country I was borne in. I am not the only one who has noticed that here, other postsers came to same conclusion.

Paul

pre 9 godina

This is the weirdest display I've heard out of a Serb here at B92. B92 reported another guy, Babic, spouting similar confusion:

http://www.b92.net/eng/news/politics.php?yyyy=2014&mm=11&dd=07&nav_id=92178

One might almost imagine the whole purpose of the ICTY was to "stabilize" Serbia, the way these guys talk. No comments from them about the utter lack of substance from the prosecution in this trial and the fact that the only reason he is still locked up is because they just want him locked up. They don't know where to go with the trial, they have nothing on him.

He's coming home now. Look for a speed recovery. The ICTY are the sick ones here.

roberto

pre 9 godina

"And the reason why is because you are an anti-Serb bigot. A foaming-at-the-mouth racist. Fortunately, I've seen your picture and it shows you are pretty old. I am glad I am just entering the prime of my life while you are way past yours. One less hateful monkey on this planet, the better.(Ari Gold, 10 November 2014 20:12)"

So who do we blame for such nasty, racist attack dog rantings and vicious personal assaults and "subtle" death threats - the attack dogs themselves or the ppl who publish and promote them, endlessly? i think the answer is pretty clear...

Danilo

pre 9 godina

I'm a "nazi"? hahaha, like S.S. Skenderbeg, S.S. Handzar or the "Independent State of Croatia"?? No sorry, I could never be a Nazi since hundreds of thousands of Serbs were murdered by Nazism in a couple of short years.

---------


You seem to be saying that it's impossible for a Serb to be a Nazi because NDH. Of course, this is ridiculous. What happened 50 years ago isn't some kind of inter-generational vaccine

One is or isn't nazi-like due to the ideas that one harbours, not because of anything that happened in history.

boom

pre 9 godina

@ari gold
Can you back your statement with some evidence just like I backed mine.
Otherwise stop regurgitating your despicable nazi propaganda vomit.
We know you are eager to go to war, Donetsk is calling, pack your bags, stop collecting welfare in the UK and leave. Your dreams might come true and you might get a chance of forcing yourself onto an defenseless innocent underage girl over there, as your idols did so often in Bosnia and Kosovo.

Danilo

pre 9 godina

Historical events greatly impact who we are, who we become and how we act.
(Dragoslav, 10 November 2014 13:14)


Strange non-sequitor.

One is or isn't nazi-like due to the ideas they harbor and espouse not "because history"

Ari Gold

pre 9 godina

(boom, 8 November 2014 06:54)

I'm a "nazi"? hahaha, like S.S. Skenderbeg, S.S. Handzar or the "Independent State of Croatia"?? No sorry, I could never be a Nazi since hundreds of thousands of Serbs were murdered by Nazism in a couple of short years.

As far as what you posted, I have no idea where its from, what it has to do with this article, or what point your trying to make, exactly. What the actions of a couple of sick individuals have to do with Serbia as a whole, I don't know. (if this is even true, again, there's nothing to prove that it is).

What I do know is that horrible things happened on all sides in the Ex-YU conflicts. To say any different is to ignore murder and rape of countless of Serbian civilians all over the Ex-YU territory.

To consistently highlight what YOU perceive to be as factual accounts of the war, but to completely ignore other accounts of the same exact things happening to Serbian civilians is an act of racism and bigotry.

just wondering

pre 9 godina

(sj, 10 November 2014 07:04)
I think this is about the 4th time I have read the "rape story" that you have posted on B92, that somehow changes the whole slant(for you) on the tens of thousands of reported rapes that came out of the Balkans. I guess the million dollar question is: Is there any support to the veracity of this "story" or are you just repeating a rumor you heard and stamping your seal of "truth" on it to prove your point. Wouldn't be the first or really the 1000th time you have created supposed credentials to verify your claims.
Even if true, one incident does not redefine the ungodly acts that took place in the 90's!

Ari Gold

pre 9 godina

(Danilo, 10 November 2014 10:57)

If the Nazi movement was responsible for the deaths of hundreds of thousands of Serbs, I do not for the life of me understand how any Serb could have sympathies to the Nazi movement. Obviously there can exist complete idiots who do not see the absolute insanity of supporting an ideology that was responsible for such aggression on your population.

But if you read what was said, "boom" indicated I was a "nazi" because I refuse to dehumanize Serbs. Serbs in Kosovo-Metohija south of the Ibar are living in ethnic ghettos reminiscent of Warsaw 1940 and I'M the Nazi. ok

Ari Gold

pre 9 godina

(Willi Pfaff, 10 November 2014 12:57)

No Nazi dinosaur, you are the one who has no problem trivializing your Germany's murderous and blood-soaked attempts to dominate Europe by thinking it can be compared to absolutely anything that went on in the Balkans. What you also do is ignore the over hundred thousand Serbs who were brutally slaughtered during the Yugoslav wars and many thousand women raped in the process.

You make a conscience choice to ignore the murders, rape of Serbian civilians, the organ harvesting and trafficking, the thousands of mujahadeen jihadists that came to the Balkans in the 90s or the fact that Operation Storm was the largest act of ethnic cleansing post WWII. You choose to ignore the dangerous, inhumane conditions that Serbs south of the Ibar live.

And the reason why is because you are an anti-Serb bigot. A foaming-at-the-mouth racist. Fortunately, I've seen your picture and it shows you are pretty old. I am glad I am just entering the prime of my life while you are way past yours. One less hateful monkey on this planet, the better.

sj

pre 9 godina

(boom, 8 November 2014 06:54)
Rape is a henious crime, but as it seems to be your theme, I recall a story that was told by Bosniaks at the height of the war in Bosnia. In a hospitial in Geneva a young Bosnian women was going to give birth to a child that was concieved after being raped a Serb.
The story went dead because the girl gave birth to a black child and that would have been a very difficult to pin the rape on a Serb.
There were Serb women that were raped in Croatia and Bosnia during the war.

Dragoslav

pre 9 godina

One is or isn't nazi-like due to the ideas that one harbours, not because of anything that happened in history.
Danilo,

A bunch of malarkey, Mr. Danilo Jurisich.

Historical events greatly impact who we are, who we become and how we act.

Ari Gold

pre 9 godina

I am sad because I see more and more of it on Belgrade streets.
(boom, 11 November 2014 06:42)

You haven't ever been on Belgrade streets. You are Albanian. Not that I don't know that there are plenty of self-hating Serbs in Belgrade, but the point is they don't make it an every day job to come on the internet and lie about their country.

If you cannot accept the fact that thousands of Serbian civilians, more than any other nation from ex-YU, were brutally slaughtered by Bosnian Islamist, Albanian separatists and Croatian neo-Nazis then you are a racist and a bigot.

sj

pre 9 godina

(PR8677, 8 November 2014 21:11)

This is the rubbish that the brainless and brainwashed pour out. This is the 21 century and they write as if its 1960. It comes at a terrible surprise to them that China is now the No1 economy in the world (not the US). They believe that the US has 5.8% unemployed but why is there such a great dissatisfaction in the US where ordinary people are saying their standard of living has fallen dramatically, hmmmmm???? Simply – there comes a point of critical mass where BS cannot cover the reality. Or ask yourself when was the last time the minimum hourly wage went up in the US?
Russia will not implode but the US is in serious trouble as they continue to take out much needed money to pay for unwinnable wars while everything in the US is going to s***.
Sanctions against Russia? The US banks borrow from Asia and now so does Russia. You really need to go back to school.

sj

pre 9 godina

(just wondering, 10 November 2014 10:23)

During the wars of the 1990s many inhumane activities took place, including rape and that invovles all sides. I’m tired of idiots parroting how the Serbs raped or drank their way to victory. The story I have been telling is true and it came out at the height of the war in Bosnia. There are many others true stories and that is why I call rape a henious act.
I don’t have to creat a thing. Its sounds incredible becasue I’m dealing with people with less capacity and intelect who think that every word that is uttered by CNN, BBC or Fox is the gospel truth. I’m a great listerner to many radio programs throughout the western world and I am old enough to know what is fact and what is BS.
Perhaps when the opposing side takes a good look at themsleves and debate the issue properly then I’ll change my tack otherwise they can take a flying leap.

Ari Gold

pre 9 godina

Hahahaha, Vucic leads a pro-organ harvesting policy and they repay him by embarrassing him right in Belgrade with a drone provocation. Vucic leads the "EU has no alternative" destructive policy and they repay him by releasing his mentor to make a fool out of him some more.

Keep walking down the path to nowhere. Keep on appeasing separatists and keep on trying to jump onto the titanic (EU), while the iceberg is clearly in sight. It's been going great so far!

willi Pfaff

pre 9 godina

hahaha ...what other proof is needed that this clown is out of his mind? Sad thing is, he is part of the serb government, but after this he should be transfered to a luni bin.

cry me a river

pre 9 godina

@Nenad,
Seselj does suffer from a mental disorder. It's called psychopathy. Serbs have a knack for selecting leaders who suffer from this mental disorder.

Danilo

pre 9 godina

if your country can be destabilized with a child's toy, then that's the problem you should be looking at solving rather than crying about who might be operating said toy.

boom

pre 9 godina

For Ari Gold and his nazi friends:
12–13 July: crimes committed in Potočari by Serbs
On 12 July 1995, as the day wore on, the refugees in the compound could see VRS soldiers setting houses on fire.
That night, a Dutchbat medical orderly witnessed two Serb soldiers raping a young woman.[55] One survivor described the murder of a baby and the rape of women occurring in the close vicinity of Dutch U.N. peacekeepers who did nothing to prevent it. According to the survivor, a Serb told a mother to make her child stop crying, and when it continued to cry he took it and slit its throat, after which he laughed.[56] Stories about rapes and killings spread through the crowd and the terror in the camp escalated.[41] Several individuals were so terrified that they committed suicide by hanging themselves.[51]

One of the survivors, Zarfa Turkovic,[57] described the horrors of rapes as follows: "Two [Serb soldiers] took her legs and raised them up in the air, while the third began raping her. Four of them were taking turns on her. People were silent, no one moved. She was screaming and yelling and begging them to stop. They put a rag into her mouth and then we just heard silent sobs...."[58]

Ari Gold

pre 9 godina

(Willi Pfaff, 10 November 2014 12:57)

No Nazi dinosaur, you are the one who has no problem trivializing your Germany's murderous and blood-soaked attempts to dominate Europe by thinking it can be compared to absolutely anything that went on in the Balkans. What you also do is ignore the over hundred thousand Serbs who were brutally slaughtered during the Yugoslav wars and many thousand women raped in the process.

You make a conscience choice to ignore the murders, rape of Serbian civilians, the organ harvesting and trafficking, the thousands of mujahadeen jihadists that came to the Balkans in the 90s or the fact that Operation Storm was the largest act of ethnic cleansing post WWII. You choose to ignore the dangerous, inhumane conditions that Serbs south of the Ibar live.

And the reason why is because you are an anti-Serb bigot. A foaming-at-the-mouth racist. Fortunately, I've seen your picture and it shows you are pretty old. I am glad I am just entering the prime of my life while you are way past yours. One less hateful monkey on this planet, the better.

Ari Gold

pre 9 godina

(Danilo, 10 November 2014 10:57)

If the Nazi movement was responsible for the deaths of hundreds of thousands of Serbs, I do not for the life of me understand how any Serb could have sympathies to the Nazi movement. Obviously there can exist complete idiots who do not see the absolute insanity of supporting an ideology that was responsible for such aggression on your population.

But if you read what was said, "boom" indicated I was a "nazi" because I refuse to dehumanize Serbs. Serbs in Kosovo-Metohija south of the Ibar are living in ethnic ghettos reminiscent of Warsaw 1940 and I'M the Nazi. ok

Dragoslav

pre 9 godina

One is or isn't nazi-like due to the ideas that one harbours, not because of anything that happened in history.
Danilo,

A bunch of malarkey, Mr. Danilo Jurisich.

Historical events greatly impact who we are, who we become and how we act.

Josip

pre 9 godina

Huh? These statements and conspiracy theories sound like something one would read in the B92 comment sections rather than quotes from a government official.

Nenad

pre 9 godina

I'm actually starting to feel sorry for this guy, as it appears that he is literally suffering from a serious mental illness. Are people actually listening to him? If so, I can kind of see why there are so many delusional posts on this site. I just wish that B92 wouldn't perpetuate the problem by publishing this trash. Maybe in today's Serbia they have little choice? Mr Matic?

PR8677

pre 9 godina

Read between the lines, Putin is why Serbia is being destabilized:

Russia should have learned about opposing America from its failures during the Cold War. America's economic strength is what defeated the Soviet Union, and we will squeeze Russia now just as we did in the 1980s. Russia fancies itself as a world power, but it's economy is that of a pitiful 3rd world country. Every world power needs a powerful economy to sustain its military, Russia simply doesn't have that, it never did and it never will. That's why you are seeing such drastic effects of sanctions on Russia. If Russia continues its assault on Ukraine, and there's no signal that it will stop considering it just sent a column of 30 tanks into Ukraine, then the sanctions will endure well into 2015, at which time the Russian government will be forced to raise taxes, cut spending, or both to sustain a manageable budget, even as the price of everything in Russia skyrockets. This will cause unrest in Russia much like what happened when the Soviet Union collapsed. The only question that remains is whether Russia will implode due to mass riots or a coup.

Ari Gold

pre 9 godina

I am sad because I see more and more of it on Belgrade streets.
(boom, 11 November 2014 06:42)

You haven't ever been on Belgrade streets. You are Albanian. Not that I don't know that there are plenty of self-hating Serbs in Belgrade, but the point is they don't make it an every day job to come on the internet and lie about their country.

If you cannot accept the fact that thousands of Serbian civilians, more than any other nation from ex-YU, were brutally slaughtered by Bosnian Islamist, Albanian separatists and Croatian neo-Nazis then you are a racist and a bigot.

cry me a river

pre 9 godina

if your country can be destabilized with a child's toy, then that's the problem you should be looking at solving rather than crying about who might be operating said toy.
(Danilo

God forbid the said toy is a drone.

point of view

pre 9 godina

I think Vulin this likes to live in his parallel world of conspiracy theories, like a lot of his countrymen do, unfortunately. Some Serbian politicians would be good comedians - in a absurd comedy show.
(Comm. Parrisson, 7 November 2014 19:28)
It is not just Vulin, how many times has Vucic taken the podium to claim that every single negative incident is a conspiracy against him and his family. Remember the confrontation of his brother at the pride parade??
It feeds into the Serbian view that if there are conspiracies against you, it somehow means you are actually a good person whom others want to bring down.

Ari Gold

pre 9 godina

(boom, 8 November 2014 06:54)

I'm a "nazi"? hahaha, like S.S. Skenderbeg, S.S. Handzar or the "Independent State of Croatia"?? No sorry, I could never be a Nazi since hundreds of thousands of Serbs were murdered by Nazism in a couple of short years.

As far as what you posted, I have no idea where its from, what it has to do with this article, or what point your trying to make, exactly. What the actions of a couple of sick individuals have to do with Serbia as a whole, I don't know. (if this is even true, again, there's nothing to prove that it is).

What I do know is that horrible things happened on all sides in the Ex-YU conflicts. To say any different is to ignore murder and rape of countless of Serbian civilians all over the Ex-YU territory.

To consistently highlight what YOU perceive to be as factual accounts of the war, but to completely ignore other accounts of the same exact things happening to Serbian civilians is an act of racism and bigotry.

sj

pre 9 godina

(just wondering, 10 November 2014 10:23)

During the wars of the 1990s many inhumane activities took place, including rape and that invovles all sides. I’m tired of idiots parroting how the Serbs raped or drank their way to victory. The story I have been telling is true and it came out at the height of the war in Bosnia. There are many others true stories and that is why I call rape a henious act.
I don’t have to creat a thing. Its sounds incredible becasue I’m dealing with people with less capacity and intelect who think that every word that is uttered by CNN, BBC or Fox is the gospel truth. I’m a great listerner to many radio programs throughout the western world and I am old enough to know what is fact and what is BS.
Perhaps when the opposing side takes a good look at themsleves and debate the issue properly then I’ll change my tack otherwise they can take a flying leap.

Comm. Parrisson

pre 9 godina

So a humanitarian release of an old, ill man is an act of destabilizing Serbia? And the release is well timed because of this and that? And the drone with the ugly Albanian banner was flown by 'foreign services'? So far I thought Serbian police quickly found out that it was flown by the brother of the Albanian PM?

I think Vulin this likes to live in his parallel world of conspiracy theories, like a lot of his countrymen do, unfortunately. Some Serbian politicians would be good comedians - in a absurd comedy show.

sj

pre 9 godina

(boom, 8 November 2014 06:54)
Rape is a henious crime, but as it seems to be your theme, I recall a story that was told by Bosniaks at the height of the war in Bosnia. In a hospitial in Geneva a young Bosnian women was going to give birth to a child that was concieved after being raped a Serb.
The story went dead because the girl gave birth to a black child and that would have been a very difficult to pin the rape on a Serb.
There were Serb women that were raped in Croatia and Bosnia during the war.

Paul

pre 9 godina

This is the weirdest display I've heard out of a Serb here at B92. B92 reported another guy, Babic, spouting similar confusion:

http://www.b92.net/eng/news/politics.php?yyyy=2014&mm=11&dd=07&nav_id=92178

One might almost imagine the whole purpose of the ICTY was to "stabilize" Serbia, the way these guys talk. No comments from them about the utter lack of substance from the prosecution in this trial and the fact that the only reason he is still locked up is because they just want him locked up. They don't know where to go with the trial, they have nothing on him.

He's coming home now. Look for a speed recovery. The ICTY are the sick ones here.

sj

pre 9 godina

(PR8677, 8 November 2014 21:11)

This is the rubbish that the brainless and brainwashed pour out. This is the 21 century and they write as if its 1960. It comes at a terrible surprise to them that China is now the No1 economy in the world (not the US). They believe that the US has 5.8% unemployed but why is there such a great dissatisfaction in the US where ordinary people are saying their standard of living has fallen dramatically, hmmmmm???? Simply – there comes a point of critical mass where BS cannot cover the reality. Or ask yourself when was the last time the minimum hourly wage went up in the US?
Russia will not implode but the US is in serious trouble as they continue to take out much needed money to pay for unwinnable wars while everything in the US is going to s***.
Sanctions against Russia? The US banks borrow from Asia and now so does Russia. You really need to go back to school.

Danilo

pre 9 godina

I'm a "nazi"? hahaha, like S.S. Skenderbeg, S.S. Handzar or the "Independent State of Croatia"?? No sorry, I could never be a Nazi since hundreds of thousands of Serbs were murdered by Nazism in a couple of short years.

---------


You seem to be saying that it's impossible for a Serb to be a Nazi because NDH. Of course, this is ridiculous. What happened 50 years ago isn't some kind of inter-generational vaccine

One is or isn't nazi-like due to the ideas that one harbours, not because of anything that happened in history.

Willi Pfaff

pre 9 godina

@(Ari Gold, 10 November 2014 11:53)

Yes, you do show Nazi like behaviour when you complety ignor, well even justify the raps, the killings, the mass murder committed in the name of Serbia all over the balkans. You act like a Nazi, when you look down on Albanians as sub-human, not worth anything, creatures that can just be eliminated, and treated like animals. That is Nazi ideology, and that is what you spread here.
Amnisty International even came out last week and said that Serbia has a lot to do to come to terms with its past.
http://www.b92.net/eng/news/society.php?yyyy=2014&mm=11&dd=05&nav_id=92138
Besides that, it is an insult and a defemation of all the innocent jewish people killed by the Nazis if you try to compare the the situation of Serbs living in Kosovo to jews being killed and slaughtered by the Nazis in the Warsaw getto. Shame on you, but nothing else can be expected from you anyway.

willi Pfaff

pre 9 godina

(Ari Gold, 10 November 2014 20:12)

fact is, you talk, you argue, u use the vocabulary of Nazis, and you act like one. Listening to you, with all the hate ond wrong brainwashed Milosevic crap is like listening to one of these horrible people who used to rule the country I was borne in. I am not the only one who has noticed that here, other postsers came to same conclusion.

boom

pre 9 godina

@ari gold

From the Final report of the United Nations Commission of Experts on Bosnia:

"All parties involved in the conflict have committed «grave breaches» of the Geneva Conventions and other violations of international humanitarian law. These violations include the killing of civilians, rape torture, and the deliberate destruction of civilian property, including cultural and religious property, such as churches and mosques. But, there are significant qualitative differences. Most of the violations were committed by Serbs against Bosnian Muslims.[7]"

In 2004 the International Crime Tribunal ruled that Serbs did commit genocide in Srebrenica. Here is the link.
Do you realize what Genocide mean?
That is what we did to our neighbor.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Srebrenica_massacre

Check out the link below if you need more info.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serbia_in_the_Yugoslav_Wars#War_crimes

I am tired of your rubbish Ari Gold. I am sure the International Court or the UN Commission are puppets of the devil US in your mind and we didn’t do anything wrong, but only when we as a nation stop living in denial and accept that what we did was wrong, apologize for the untold suffering we caused to our neighbors then our healing process will begin. Right now our society is sick with denial, nationalism and hate and people like you are the living proof of this. I am sad because I see more and more of it on Belgrade streets.

marKo

pre 9 godina

The minister then said that the drone with a "Greater Albania" map flown above the football pitch in Belgrade during a Serbia-Albania game was "sent by foreign services with the goal of destabilizing the country."

I think this guy is smoking dope.

Danilo

pre 9 godina

Historical events greatly impact who we are, who we become and how we act.
(Dragoslav, 10 November 2014 13:14)


Strange non-sequitor.

One is or isn't nazi-like due to the ideas they harbor and espouse not "because history"

roberto

pre 9 godina

"And the reason why is because you are an anti-Serb bigot. A foaming-at-the-mouth racist. Fortunately, I've seen your picture and it shows you are pretty old. I am glad I am just entering the prime of my life while you are way past yours. One less hateful monkey on this planet, the better.(Ari Gold, 10 November 2014 20:12)"

So who do we blame for such nasty, racist attack dog rantings and vicious personal assaults and "subtle" death threats - the attack dogs themselves or the ppl who publish and promote them, endlessly? i think the answer is pretty clear...

boom

pre 9 godina

@ari gold
Can you back your statement with some evidence just like I backed mine.
Otherwise stop regurgitating your despicable nazi propaganda vomit.
We know you are eager to go to war, Donetsk is calling, pack your bags, stop collecting welfare in the UK and leave. Your dreams might come true and you might get a chance of forcing yourself onto an defenseless innocent underage girl over there, as your idols did so often in Bosnia and Kosovo.

just wondering

pre 9 godina

(sj, 10 November 2014 07:04)
I think this is about the 4th time I have read the "rape story" that you have posted on B92, that somehow changes the whole slant(for you) on the tens of thousands of reported rapes that came out of the Balkans. I guess the million dollar question is: Is there any support to the veracity of this "story" or are you just repeating a rumor you heard and stamping your seal of "truth" on it to prove your point. Wouldn't be the first or really the 1000th time you have created supposed credentials to verify your claims.
Even if true, one incident does not redefine the ungodly acts that took place in the 90's!