In order to remain in power Hashim Thaci has offered a coalition agreement and the PM post to Ramush Haradinaj, leader of the Alliance for the Future of Kosovo.
Or the same international court that routinely releases war criminals that happened to be allied during the conflict to the very same states who are now funding and running that international court? Very impartial.
(PEN, 11 June 2014 12:49)
That international court is now run by judges elected by Russia and Russia is Serbia's strongest friend (or so we're told). So there is nothing for you to be concerned about - Russia will take care of it.
In addition, almost every other day we have Serbs asking for the UN to prosecute the allegations of organ removal etc etc. Here it was the UN which prosecuted and found Ramush not guilty. So I'm not really sure what will satisfy you guys. When it's Kosovo courts that prosecute somebody you ask for the EULEX; when it's EULEX you ask for the UN; when it's the UN you say it's not impartial, so we should probably bring aliens from space to get the results that satisfy you because it's not possible that angelic Serbs may have done something wrong.
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Battling security forces in the field is one thing. Abducting and torturing 'disloyal Albanians' Serb civilians and unarmed prisoners of war is quite another.
(PEN, 11 June 2014 12:49)
Of course, nobody is disputing that the above are different things. But, (i) you have to prove that an act was committed, (ii) you have to prove that act was a crime under international criminal law; and (iii) you have to prove that Ramush did it. Criminal justice does not work by hearsay...
Ramush Haradinaj/Thaci are the typical manure that the US supports – thugs, criminals and low life. Great add for US support for rule of law and democracy LOL.
"the judges explicitly mentioned that witnessed were killed or refused to testify. "
So they had a partial retrial with the witnesses that had refused to testify, and they were shown to be either simple liars or mentally incompetent. Or maybe both. One of these is said to be the famous protected witness of the Serbian Special Prosecutor's Office who claims to have participated in the removal of a heart from a living Serb using a bayonet that happened to be lying around.
I'v never heard about 19 witnesses disappearing in the Haradinaj case. And even if they did, you still have to prove Ramush had somthing to do with it. It could have been serbian secret service who made them dissapear. You cannot just judge in the air".
I rather have Ramush as our leader than some Milosevic. It's strange that you as an serb are so concerned whom we Albanians choose as our leader. If you dont live in Kosova then you shoulden't be so concerned since it's not your future.
"@PEN, thanks for bringing up the painfully obvious about the trail of bodies this guy leads on his way to acquittal, but you might as well talk to the wall than convince Albanian cyber-patriots he's not the hero they make him to be."
(Balkan Anthropologist, 11 June 2014 16:03)
Yes, unfortunately there are enough of Albanian idiots out there that see Haradinaj and Thaci as heroes - but probably they are even outnumbered by Serbian idiots who see Karadzic, Mladic, Milosevic etc. as heroes.
"The Haag tribunal (an international court) has proven that Haradinaj was innocent on all charges he faced. Killing opponent soldiers in an war is no crime. "
(Demi, 11 June 2014 12:04)
Nicely put. But maybe worth to mention: The Hague has ruled that Haradinaj could not proven guilty - and in the ruling the judges explicitly mentioned that witnessed were killed or refused to testify. So it seems that 'innocent' has a very special meaning for you. But I agree, a person like Haradinaj would fit perfectly as PM to the independent dream state of Kosovo, just like Al Capone was a perfect leader for the NY mafia.
"However, Thaci's party said that "the constitution of Kosovo was clear" and that only they could have a mandate to put together a government as they had won in the election."
Yes, the Kosovo constitution clearly tells that Thaci must stay prime minister until ever after.
Well I suppose it's a natural choice since both Hash and Rambo Ramush need some form of political immunity to avoid the upcoming Hague tribunals. Might also be nice to see Rambo housebroken by Washington like his buddy Hash has been these past seven years - might just help to kill the image of the supposed last "great Albanian hero" in Kosovo as he's forced to make concessions to Belgrade over K-Serb municipalities in exchange for Joe Biden giving him a pat on the head and a scratch behind the ears.
@PEN, thanks for bringing up the painfully obvious about the trail of bodies this guy leads on his way to acquittal, but you might as well talk to the wall than convince Albanian cyber-patriots he's not the hero they make him to be.
If you regard the disappearance in mysterious circumstances of 19 witnesses who were due to testify in the haradinaj trial as just one of those things, then I pity you.
Not to mention 400 Serb civilians and others abducted, and 300 killed most of whom did not die in combat but were tortured and subsequently murdered. No other country in the former Yugoslavia has such individuals voted into power today, 15 years after the wars ended. It is a regressive step that will not fix a failing entity such as kosovo. But as I said before you've probably got the leader you deserve, so good luck to you. You're gonna need it, as they say.
The story about the witnesses is just rumors. If you can prove somthing about those cases then it would be good. I am all for justice. As for the court not protecting witnesses I'm sure they did what they could. Nobody can protect people from commiting suicide or accidents. Those thing happend.
But the court aquitted him and that means he is innocent whether you belive the court or not. It's the only court wich is neutral. The Serbian or Kosovar court justice I belive would be more partial.
And if Serbia diden't have faith in the Haag tribunal then I guess they woulden't send their fellow men charged of warcrimes to that court.
The Haag tribunal (an international court) has proven that Haradinaj was innocent on all charges he faced. Killing opponent soldiers in an war is no crime.
If you seem so sure that he have innocent blood on his hands you could have put forward proof of that to the tribunal when he was facing charges.
I presume you're referring to the same international court that failed to protect key witnesses who mysteriously died in car crashes, or were found hanging from a tree in a German park?
Or the same international court that routinely releases war criminals that happened to be allied during the conflict to the very same states who are now funding and running that international court? Very impartial.
Battling security forces in the field is one thing. Abducting and torturing 'disloyal Albanians' Serb civilians and unarmed prisoners of war is quite another. Anyway, I guess you've got the prime minister you deserve. Good luck to you.
CHEERS!
A man who by his own admission has the blood of countless victims on his hands is now chosen as 'Prime Minister' of Kosovo. Yet another war criminal/gangster at the helm. A territory that lurches from one disaster to the next.
The Haag tribunal (an international court) has proven that Haradinaj was innocent on all charges he faced. Killing opponent soldiers in an war is no crime.
If you seem so sure that he have innocent blood on his hands you could have put forward proof of that to the tribunal when he was facing charges.
A man who by his own admission has the blood of countless victims on his hands is now chosen as 'Prime Minister' of Kosovo. Yet another war criminal/gangster at the helm. A territory that lurches from one disaster to the next.
I presume you're referring to the same international court that failed to protect key witnesses who mysteriously died in car crashes, or were found hanging from a tree in a German park?
Or the same international court that routinely releases war criminals that happened to be allied during the conflict to the very same states who are now funding and running that international court? Very impartial.
Battling security forces in the field is one thing. Abducting and torturing 'disloyal Albanians' Serb civilians and unarmed prisoners of war is quite another. Anyway, I guess you've got the prime minister you deserve. Good luck to you.
CHEERS!
The story about the witnesses is just rumors. If you can prove somthing about those cases then it would be good. I am all for justice. As for the court not protecting witnesses I'm sure they did what they could. Nobody can protect people from commiting suicide or accidents. Those thing happend.
But the court aquitted him and that means he is innocent whether you belive the court or not. It's the only court wich is neutral. The Serbian or Kosovar court justice I belive would be more partial.
And if Serbia diden't have faith in the Haag tribunal then I guess they woulden't send their fellow men charged of warcrimes to that court.
If you regard the disappearance in mysterious circumstances of 19 witnesses who were due to testify in the haradinaj trial as just one of those things, then I pity you.
Not to mention 400 Serb civilians and others abducted, and 300 killed most of whom did not die in combat but were tortured and subsequently murdered. No other country in the former Yugoslavia has such individuals voted into power today, 15 years after the wars ended. It is a regressive step that will not fix a failing entity such as kosovo. But as I said before you've probably got the leader you deserve, so good luck to you. You're gonna need it, as they say.
Well I suppose it's a natural choice since both Hash and Rambo Ramush need some form of political immunity to avoid the upcoming Hague tribunals. Might also be nice to see Rambo housebroken by Washington like his buddy Hash has been these past seven years - might just help to kill the image of the supposed last "great Albanian hero" in Kosovo as he's forced to make concessions to Belgrade over K-Serb municipalities in exchange for Joe Biden giving him a pat on the head and a scratch behind the ears.
@PEN, thanks for bringing up the painfully obvious about the trail of bodies this guy leads on his way to acquittal, but you might as well talk to the wall than convince Albanian cyber-patriots he's not the hero they make him to be.
I'v never heard about 19 witnesses disappearing in the Haradinaj case. And even if they did, you still have to prove Ramush had somthing to do with it. It could have been serbian secret service who made them dissapear. You cannot just judge in the air".
I rather have Ramush as our leader than some Milosevic. It's strange that you as an serb are so concerned whom we Albanians choose as our leader. If you dont live in Kosova then you shoulden't be so concerned since it's not your future.
"@PEN, thanks for bringing up the painfully obvious about the trail of bodies this guy leads on his way to acquittal, but you might as well talk to the wall than convince Albanian cyber-patriots he's not the hero they make him to be."
(Balkan Anthropologist, 11 June 2014 16:03)
Yes, unfortunately there are enough of Albanian idiots out there that see Haradinaj and Thaci as heroes - but probably they are even outnumbered by Serbian idiots who see Karadzic, Mladic, Milosevic etc. as heroes.
"The Haag tribunal (an international court) has proven that Haradinaj was innocent on all charges he faced. Killing opponent soldiers in an war is no crime. "
(Demi, 11 June 2014 12:04)
Nicely put. But maybe worth to mention: The Hague has ruled that Haradinaj could not proven guilty - and in the ruling the judges explicitly mentioned that witnessed were killed or refused to testify. So it seems that 'innocent' has a very special meaning for you. But I agree, a person like Haradinaj would fit perfectly as PM to the independent dream state of Kosovo, just like Al Capone was a perfect leader for the NY mafia.
"However, Thaci's party said that "the constitution of Kosovo was clear" and that only they could have a mandate to put together a government as they had won in the election."
Yes, the Kosovo constitution clearly tells that Thaci must stay prime minister until ever after.
"the judges explicitly mentioned that witnessed were killed or refused to testify. "
So they had a partial retrial with the witnesses that had refused to testify, and they were shown to be either simple liars or mentally incompetent. Or maybe both. One of these is said to be the famous protected witness of the Serbian Special Prosecutor's Office who claims to have participated in the removal of a heart from a living Serb using a bayonet that happened to be lying around.
Or the same international court that routinely releases war criminals that happened to be allied during the conflict to the very same states who are now funding and running that international court? Very impartial.
(PEN, 11 June 2014 12:49)
That international court is now run by judges elected by Russia and Russia is Serbia's strongest friend (or so we're told). So there is nothing for you to be concerned about - Russia will take care of it.
In addition, almost every other day we have Serbs asking for the UN to prosecute the allegations of organ removal etc etc. Here it was the UN which prosecuted and found Ramush not guilty. So I'm not really sure what will satisfy you guys. When it's Kosovo courts that prosecute somebody you ask for the EULEX; when it's EULEX you ask for the UN; when it's the UN you say it's not impartial, so we should probably bring aliens from space to get the results that satisfy you because it's not possible that angelic Serbs may have done something wrong.
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Battling security forces in the field is one thing. Abducting and torturing 'disloyal Albanians' Serb civilians and unarmed prisoners of war is quite another.
(PEN, 11 June 2014 12:49)
Of course, nobody is disputing that the above are different things. But, (i) you have to prove that an act was committed, (ii) you have to prove that act was a crime under international criminal law; and (iii) you have to prove that Ramush did it. Criminal justice does not work by hearsay...
Ramush Haradinaj/Thaci are the typical manure that the US supports – thugs, criminals and low life. Great add for US support for rule of law and democracy LOL.
A man who by his own admission has the blood of countless victims on his hands is now chosen as 'Prime Minister' of Kosovo. Yet another war criminal/gangster at the helm. A territory that lurches from one disaster to the next.
The Haag tribunal (an international court) has proven that Haradinaj was innocent on all charges he faced. Killing opponent soldiers in an war is no crime.
If you seem so sure that he have innocent blood on his hands you could have put forward proof of that to the tribunal when he was facing charges.
I presume you're referring to the same international court that failed to protect key witnesses who mysteriously died in car crashes, or were found hanging from a tree in a German park?
Or the same international court that routinely releases war criminals that happened to be allied during the conflict to the very same states who are now funding and running that international court? Very impartial.
Battling security forces in the field is one thing. Abducting and torturing 'disloyal Albanians' Serb civilians and unarmed prisoners of war is quite another. Anyway, I guess you've got the prime minister you deserve. Good luck to you.
CHEERS!
The story about the witnesses is just rumors. If you can prove somthing about those cases then it would be good. I am all for justice. As for the court not protecting witnesses I'm sure they did what they could. Nobody can protect people from commiting suicide or accidents. Those thing happend.
But the court aquitted him and that means he is innocent whether you belive the court or not. It's the only court wich is neutral. The Serbian or Kosovar court justice I belive would be more partial.
And if Serbia diden't have faith in the Haag tribunal then I guess they woulden't send their fellow men charged of warcrimes to that court.
If you regard the disappearance in mysterious circumstances of 19 witnesses who were due to testify in the haradinaj trial as just one of those things, then I pity you.
Not to mention 400 Serb civilians and others abducted, and 300 killed most of whom did not die in combat but were tortured and subsequently murdered. No other country in the former Yugoslavia has such individuals voted into power today, 15 years after the wars ended. It is a regressive step that will not fix a failing entity such as kosovo. But as I said before you've probably got the leader you deserve, so good luck to you. You're gonna need it, as they say.
"@PEN, thanks for bringing up the painfully obvious about the trail of bodies this guy leads on his way to acquittal, but you might as well talk to the wall than convince Albanian cyber-patriots he's not the hero they make him to be."
(Balkan Anthropologist, 11 June 2014 16:03)
Yes, unfortunately there are enough of Albanian idiots out there that see Haradinaj and Thaci as heroes - but probably they are even outnumbered by Serbian idiots who see Karadzic, Mladic, Milosevic etc. as heroes.
"The Haag tribunal (an international court) has proven that Haradinaj was innocent on all charges he faced. Killing opponent soldiers in an war is no crime. "
(Demi, 11 June 2014 12:04)
Nicely put. But maybe worth to mention: The Hague has ruled that Haradinaj could not proven guilty - and in the ruling the judges explicitly mentioned that witnessed were killed or refused to testify. So it seems that 'innocent' has a very special meaning for you. But I agree, a person like Haradinaj would fit perfectly as PM to the independent dream state of Kosovo, just like Al Capone was a perfect leader for the NY mafia.
I'v never heard about 19 witnesses disappearing in the Haradinaj case. And even if they did, you still have to prove Ramush had somthing to do with it. It could have been serbian secret service who made them dissapear. You cannot just judge in the air".
I rather have Ramush as our leader than some Milosevic. It's strange that you as an serb are so concerned whom we Albanians choose as our leader. If you dont live in Kosova then you shoulden't be so concerned since it's not your future.
Well I suppose it's a natural choice since both Hash and Rambo Ramush need some form of political immunity to avoid the upcoming Hague tribunals. Might also be nice to see Rambo housebroken by Washington like his buddy Hash has been these past seven years - might just help to kill the image of the supposed last "great Albanian hero" in Kosovo as he's forced to make concessions to Belgrade over K-Serb municipalities in exchange for Joe Biden giving him a pat on the head and a scratch behind the ears.
@PEN, thanks for bringing up the painfully obvious about the trail of bodies this guy leads on his way to acquittal, but you might as well talk to the wall than convince Albanian cyber-patriots he's not the hero they make him to be.
"the judges explicitly mentioned that witnessed were killed or refused to testify. "
So they had a partial retrial with the witnesses that had refused to testify, and they were shown to be either simple liars or mentally incompetent. Or maybe both. One of these is said to be the famous protected witness of the Serbian Special Prosecutor's Office who claims to have participated in the removal of a heart from a living Serb using a bayonet that happened to be lying around.
Ramush Haradinaj/Thaci are the typical manure that the US supports – thugs, criminals and low life. Great add for US support for rule of law and democracy LOL.
"However, Thaci's party said that "the constitution of Kosovo was clear" and that only they could have a mandate to put together a government as they had won in the election."
Yes, the Kosovo constitution clearly tells that Thaci must stay prime minister until ever after.
Or the same international court that routinely releases war criminals that happened to be allied during the conflict to the very same states who are now funding and running that international court? Very impartial.
(PEN, 11 June 2014 12:49)
That international court is now run by judges elected by Russia and Russia is Serbia's strongest friend (or so we're told). So there is nothing for you to be concerned about - Russia will take care of it.
In addition, almost every other day we have Serbs asking for the UN to prosecute the allegations of organ removal etc etc. Here it was the UN which prosecuted and found Ramush not guilty. So I'm not really sure what will satisfy you guys. When it's Kosovo courts that prosecute somebody you ask for the EULEX; when it's EULEX you ask for the UN; when it's the UN you say it's not impartial, so we should probably bring aliens from space to get the results that satisfy you because it's not possible that angelic Serbs may have done something wrong.
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Battling security forces in the field is one thing. Abducting and torturing 'disloyal Albanians' Serb civilians and unarmed prisoners of war is quite another.
(PEN, 11 June 2014 12:49)
Of course, nobody is disputing that the above are different things. But, (i) you have to prove that an act was committed, (ii) you have to prove that act was a crime under international criminal law; and (iii) you have to prove that Ramush did it. Criminal justice does not work by hearsay...
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