PM Orban's party wins in Hungarian elections

Another blow to the European Union. People really are losing faith in this project. If PiS win the elections in Poland, then we will truly see Central Europe as a whole leading Euroscepticism in Europe together with France.

Also, I love how this Jewish European Congress President dramatizes Orban's victories by claiming that it is a bad for democracy and that Nazism is coming back to Europe, or whatever. What a joke! I notice there is this annoying trend of leftists with their wounded pride, who have just lost an election, claiming that the conservative, pro-family, pro-nation and Eurosceptic centre to right party that has beaten them is "anti-democratic" and "Nazi".

Typical leftist scare tactics and b***hurt. Bravo, Orban! Poland is with you! Nation and family cannot be forsaken just in the name of the economy, as these leftists are doing (and failing at, coincidentally).

"Also, I love how this Jewish European Congress President dramatizes Orban's victories by claiming that it is a bad for democracy and that Nazism is coming back to Europe, or whatever. What a joke! I notice there is this annoying trend of leftists with their wounded pride, who have just lost an election, claiming that the conservative, pro-family, pro-nation and Eurosceptic centre to right party that has beaten them is "anti-democratic" and "Nazi"."
(Peter Sudyka, 7 April 2014 12:32)

No, the Jewish Congress is worried about the 20% votes in Hungary for a party that is open anti-jewish, extremist and has a racist Nazi ideology. The problem with Orban and his, as you correctly called it, center-to-right party is that this party and their ideas - encouraged by the support the right-wing Nazi-Extremists get - drift from the center more to the right, with more and more cheap populism instead of conservatism.

"So that our pensions and salaries become even more worthless, inflation rises and when something crashes in another European country, we feel the effects because we are also tied to the Euro? Sorry, but I fail to see the benefits. "
(Peter Sudyka, 8 April 2014 09:26)

Why do you think 'inflation rises' by the Euro? As far as I know, Polish Zloty is already 'fixed' to the Euro within a small corridor, as part of the stability program for access to the Euro currency system.

Inflation in Euro zone is lowest since ever, with economist already worrying about a deflation. (Hyper-)inflation only happens in countries with a weak currency, and yes, inflation makes pensions and salaries worthless. Look at Serbia, which had double-digit inflation in the last decade, with their currency weakening more and more.

No one is going to come for Vojvodina. It was ethnically cleansed and the population diluted so much, no sane Hungarian politician would want to create a mini Kosovo and inherit masses of hostile Slavic population.

Emmanuel

"Poland, the Czech Republic, Hungary, Romania, Bulgaria and Croatia should do everything possible to consolidate the European Union. These six countries should support the process of deeper European integration."

Why, so that we end up in the pockets of the German taxpayer, drowning in debt and end up on their economic lifeline, like the Southern Europeans? Have you seen how much we contribute to the European budget and how much we take from it? You think our economic development is for free? We are not some charity case for them, you know?

"We should transform the European Union into the United States of Europe."

No, I think we should maintain our independence, retain our talented workforces, not whore out our infrastructure to rich Western capitalists and not have our agricultural policies dictated and destroyed by Brussels, like the CAP has done to our countries already.

Besides, I don't see how the common man can support any artificial Marxist unions. They ALWAYS fail and are NEVER in the interests of the common people.

"Poland, the Czech Republic, Hungary, Romania, Bulgaria and Croatia should adopt the Euro as soon as possible."

So that our pensions and salaries become even more worthless, inflation rises and when something crashes in another European country, we feel the effects because we are also tied to the Euro? Sorry, but I fail to see the benefits.

"When will Poland adopt the Euro?"

God willing, never.

"If it was all so rosy as you put it in your posts, there would not be so many Romanians leaving Romania for a better life elsewhere. "

stupid comment. for the same reason that mnay Poles left for oastures anew in 2000. did you think that by year 3 of accession Romanian income would be equal that of German ones? income disparities exist everywhere. Romania is still a relatively poor country, but the opening of labour markets to Romanians WILL benefit Romanian people

Serbia Bevere !

Hungary could Radicalise in a very short time.

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The right-wing Jobbik party can count on 25 seats.

The Jewish community has condemned the election success of Jobbik.

“The gains made by Jobbik, an unashamedly neo-Nazi political party, should serve as a wake-up call for the whole of Europe. Once again in Europe we are witnessing democracy being appropriated by those are the enemies of democracy, " said Moshe Kantor, European Jewish Congress President.


Comment -

Hungary could refere to the Russian example In Krimea,
an example which seems to expand to Eastern Ukraine,
and which could spark a War.

Then Hungary could come for Vojvodina.

Arn.Sweden.

Peter Sudyka,

Poland, the Czech Republic, Hungary, Romania, Bulgaria and Croatia should do everything possible to consolidate the European Union. These six countries should support the process of deeper European integration.

We should transform the European Union into the United States of Europe.

Poland, the Czech Republic, Hungary, Romania, Bulgaria and Croatia should adopt the Euro as soon as possible.

Lithuania will adopt the Euro on 1 January 2015.

As of 1 January 2015 the Eurozone will have 19 Member States.

When will Poland adopt the Euro?

Romania plans to adopt the Euro in 2019 or 2020.

To Hruz !.

And why do you think the slavs will or,
will be allowed to stay in Vojvodina ?

Are you a collaborator with Hungary ?.

If not you seems a Budala to me ?.

Arn.Sweden.

Peter Sudyka,

The majority of EU member states are members of the Eurozone.

Poland's neighbours are members of the Eurozone. Germany and Slovakia are in the Eurozone. Lithuania will adopt the Euro on 1 January 2015.

As of 1 January 2015 the Eurozone will have 19 member states. Only 9 EU member states will remain outside the Eurozone.

Don't you think that Poland will be isolated if it does not adopt the Euro?

I think that Poland and Romania should adopt the Euro so that both countries can participate in the decision making process at the European Central Bank.

Poland and Romania must have a representative within the Governing Council of the European Central Bank.

Peter Sudyka,

Don't you think that Poland will be isolated if it remains outside the Eurozone?

Poland's neighbours are members of the Eurozone. Germany and Slovakia have adopted the Euro.

Lithuania will adopt the Euro on 1 January 2015.

how will it benefit Romanian people directly? relatively simply. one; Romanians will not be consigned to the geographical location of Romania to compete for jobs (same as Poles, who fled Poland in the early 2000's). two; they will have access to more capital. this is of benefit to Romanian people directly. as for what you term braindrain, this hardly something that is new. those with great ideas, who live in small and dear I say it, impoverished countries, have always and will always go where opportunities for them are greater. this is not a new phenomena. what tends to happen with most immigrants however, is that in most cases, they return and return to invest back home. now, you seem to to view this in the prism of prices, in the sense that the property market will rise as Romanians who have worked abroad will push prices up, but in any economy you have winners and you have losers. most Romanains will benefit however, those that don't will need to adapt and/or be given social provisions.
as for the EU letting Romania in as a geopolitical move, balls

@Comm. Parrisson

"Why do you think 'inflation rises' by the Euro?"

I have already seen a sustained increase in the price of goods and services in Poland over the years and a disproportional smaller rise in salaries, despite what it officially says inflation levels are on paper. I fear that by bringing the euro in, our purchasing power will plummet even further. I have quite a vivid picture painted by what Slovaks have said has happened since the euro was introduced in their country and don’t want the same here.

@Emmanuel

“I think that Poland and Romania should adopt the Euro so that both countries can participate in the decision making process at the European Central Bank.

Poland and Romania must have a representative within the Governing Council of the European Central Bank.”

European decision-making structures are represented by too many different countries with too many varying interests as it is, so throwing in two more will only make the decision-making process of any EU policy even more obtuse, cumbersome and inefficient. We have seen enough times that the EU is not united in any major decision since the major expansions of the 2000’s and has proven to be nothing more than a bureaucratic monster with too many heads. Why make it even more complex than it already is?

If it was all so rosy as you put it in your posts, there would not be so many Romanians leaving Romania for a better life elsewhere. Clearly the EU is of no major benefit to Romania.

(Nikolle, 9 April 2014 11:19)

Of course I did not expect income disparities to be narrowed within 3 years. In fact, I do not expect income disparities between Germany and Romania to shrink significantly within 50 years time. This is why forcefully taking Romania into the EU earlier (as a geopolitical move to isolate Russia from the Balkans and nothing else - otherwise Croatia would have been taken in MUCH earlier as it is a considerably richer and more developed country) now means that Romania is a charity case for the richer Western nations and I wonder how they expect to see their investment returned. We have seen what has happened in Southern Europe and this should be enough evidence. Anyway, that was not my point.

How do you suggest opening of labour markets in the West will benefit the Romanian people? All it will serve to do is: 1) undercut the local native labour force in the Western countries and put a strain on the social services, 2) create a braindrain for Romania - something they cannot afford and 3) the massive cash injection (money earned and brought back to Romania) into the Romanian property market, commodities, assets will cause prices to increase exponentially and put the native Romanian people under increasing strain, who are already too poor to cope with the current state of affairs with their low purchasing power (as a Pole that never emigrated Westward, I can tell you this better than anyone else).

(Emanuel from Romania, 9 April 2014 11:25)

Who honestly cares if we are "isolated"? I have spoken to enough German, French and Slovak people to know that the introduction of the euro was a terrible idea and not beneficial to them in the least. I also have spoken to enough British and Scandinavian people (as in countries that have not yet adopted the euro and don't seem to be "isolated") to know that the introduction of the euro in their countries would create huge problems for the average person in already troubled economic times and why they are dead against it.

Serbia Bevere !

Hungary could Radicalise in a very short time.

I Quote -

The right-wing Jobbik party can count on 25 seats.

The Jewish community has condemned the election success of Jobbik.

“The gains made by Jobbik, an unashamedly neo-Nazi political party, should serve as a wake-up call for the whole of Europe. Once again in Europe we are witnessing democracy being appropriated by those are the enemies of democracy, " said Moshe Kantor, European Jewish Congress President.


Comment -

Hungary could refere to the Russian example In Krimea,
an example which seems to expand to Eastern Ukraine,
and which could spark a War.

Then Hungary could come for Vojvodina.

Arn.Sweden.

Peter Sudyka,

Poland, the Czech Republic, Hungary, Romania, Bulgaria and Croatia should do everything possible to consolidate the European Union. These six countries should support the process of deeper European integration.

We should transform the European Union into the United States of Europe.

Poland, the Czech Republic, Hungary, Romania, Bulgaria and Croatia should adopt the Euro as soon as possible.

Lithuania will adopt the Euro on 1 January 2015.

As of 1 January 2015 the Eurozone will have 19 Member States.

When will Poland adopt the Euro?

Romania plans to adopt the Euro in 2019 or 2020.

No one is going to come for Vojvodina. It was ethnically cleansed and the population diluted so much, no sane Hungarian politician would want to create a mini Kosovo and inherit masses of hostile Slavic population.

Another blow to the European Union. People really are losing faith in this project. If PiS win the elections in Poland, then we will truly see Central Europe as a whole leading Euroscepticism in Europe together with France.

Also, I love how this Jewish European Congress President dramatizes Orban's victories by claiming that it is a bad for democracy and that Nazism is coming back to Europe, or whatever. What a joke! I notice there is this annoying trend of leftists with their wounded pride, who have just lost an election, claiming that the conservative, pro-family, pro-nation and Eurosceptic centre to right party that has beaten them is "anti-democratic" and "Nazi".

Typical leftist scare tactics and b***hurt. Bravo, Orban! Poland is with you! Nation and family cannot be forsaken just in the name of the economy, as these leftists are doing (and failing at, coincidentally).

Emmanuel

"Poland, the Czech Republic, Hungary, Romania, Bulgaria and Croatia should do everything possible to consolidate the European Union. These six countries should support the process of deeper European integration."

Why, so that we end up in the pockets of the German taxpayer, drowning in debt and end up on their economic lifeline, like the Southern Europeans? Have you seen how much we contribute to the European budget and how much we take from it? You think our economic development is for free? We are not some charity case for them, you know?

"We should transform the European Union into the United States of Europe."

No, I think we should maintain our independence, retain our talented workforces, not whore out our infrastructure to rich Western capitalists and not have our agricultural policies dictated and destroyed by Brussels, like the CAP has done to our countries already.

Besides, I don't see how the common man can support any artificial Marxist unions. They ALWAYS fail and are NEVER in the interests of the common people.

"Poland, the Czech Republic, Hungary, Romania, Bulgaria and Croatia should adopt the Euro as soon as possible."

So that our pensions and salaries become even more worthless, inflation rises and when something crashes in another European country, we feel the effects because we are also tied to the Euro? Sorry, but I fail to see the benefits.

"When will Poland adopt the Euro?"

God willing, never.

To Hruz !.

And why do you think the slavs will or,
will be allowed to stay in Vojvodina ?

Are you a collaborator with Hungary ?.

If not you seems a Budala to me ?.

Arn.Sweden.

@Comm. Parrisson

"Why do you think 'inflation rises' by the Euro?"

I have already seen a sustained increase in the price of goods and services in Poland over the years and a disproportional smaller rise in salaries, despite what it officially says inflation levels are on paper. I fear that by bringing the euro in, our purchasing power will plummet even further. I have quite a vivid picture painted by what Slovaks have said has happened since the euro was introduced in their country and don’t want the same here.

@Emmanuel

“I think that Poland and Romania should adopt the Euro so that both countries can participate in the decision making process at the European Central Bank.

Poland and Romania must have a representative within the Governing Council of the European Central Bank.”

European decision-making structures are represented by too many different countries with too many varying interests as it is, so throwing in two more will only make the decision-making process of any EU policy even more obtuse, cumbersome and inefficient. We have seen enough times that the EU is not united in any major decision since the major expansions of the 2000’s and has proven to be nothing more than a bureaucratic monster with too many heads. Why make it even more complex than it already is?

If it was all so rosy as you put it in your posts, there would not be so many Romanians leaving Romania for a better life elsewhere. Clearly the EU is of no major benefit to Romania.

"Also, I love how this Jewish European Congress President dramatizes Orban's victories by claiming that it is a bad for democracy and that Nazism is coming back to Europe, or whatever. What a joke! I notice there is this annoying trend of leftists with their wounded pride, who have just lost an election, claiming that the conservative, pro-family, pro-nation and Eurosceptic centre to right party that has beaten them is "anti-democratic" and "Nazi"."
(Peter Sudyka, 7 April 2014 12:32)

No, the Jewish Congress is worried about the 20% votes in Hungary for a party that is open anti-jewish, extremist and has a racist Nazi ideology. The problem with Orban and his, as you correctly called it, center-to-right party is that this party and their ideas - encouraged by the support the right-wing Nazi-Extremists get - drift from the center more to the right, with more and more cheap populism instead of conservatism.

Peter Sudyka,

The majority of EU member states are members of the Eurozone.

Poland's neighbours are members of the Eurozone. Germany and Slovakia are in the Eurozone. Lithuania will adopt the Euro on 1 January 2015.

As of 1 January 2015 the Eurozone will have 19 member states. Only 9 EU member states will remain outside the Eurozone.

Don't you think that Poland will be isolated if it does not adopt the Euro?

I think that Poland and Romania should adopt the Euro so that both countries can participate in the decision making process at the European Central Bank.

Poland and Romania must have a representative within the Governing Council of the European Central Bank.

(Nikolle, 9 April 2014 11:19)

Of course I did not expect income disparities to be narrowed within 3 years. In fact, I do not expect income disparities between Germany and Romania to shrink significantly within 50 years time. This is why forcefully taking Romania into the EU earlier (as a geopolitical move to isolate Russia from the Balkans and nothing else - otherwise Croatia would have been taken in MUCH earlier as it is a considerably richer and more developed country) now means that Romania is a charity case for the richer Western nations and I wonder how they expect to see their investment returned. We have seen what has happened in Southern Europe and this should be enough evidence. Anyway, that was not my point.

How do you suggest opening of labour markets in the West will benefit the Romanian people? All it will serve to do is: 1) undercut the local native labour force in the Western countries and put a strain on the social services, 2) create a braindrain for Romania - something they cannot afford and 3) the massive cash injection (money earned and brought back to Romania) into the Romanian property market, commodities, assets will cause prices to increase exponentially and put the native Romanian people under increasing strain, who are already too poor to cope with the current state of affairs with their low purchasing power (as a Pole that never emigrated Westward, I can tell you this better than anyone else).

(Emanuel from Romania, 9 April 2014 11:25)

Who honestly cares if we are "isolated"? I have spoken to enough German, French and Slovak people to know that the introduction of the euro was a terrible idea and not beneficial to them in the least. I also have spoken to enough British and Scandinavian people (as in countries that have not yet adopted the euro and don't seem to be "isolated") to know that the introduction of the euro in their countries would create huge problems for the average person in already troubled economic times and why they are dead against it.

"So that our pensions and salaries become even more worthless, inflation rises and when something crashes in another European country, we feel the effects because we are also tied to the Euro? Sorry, but I fail to see the benefits. "
(Peter Sudyka, 8 April 2014 09:26)

Why do you think 'inflation rises' by the Euro? As far as I know, Polish Zloty is already 'fixed' to the Euro within a small corridor, as part of the stability program for access to the Euro currency system.

Inflation in Euro zone is lowest since ever, with economist already worrying about a deflation. (Hyper-)inflation only happens in countries with a weak currency, and yes, inflation makes pensions and salaries worthless. Look at Serbia, which had double-digit inflation in the last decade, with their currency weakening more and more.

"If it was all so rosy as you put it in your posts, there would not be so many Romanians leaving Romania for a better life elsewhere. "

stupid comment. for the same reason that mnay Poles left for oastures anew in 2000. did you think that by year 3 of accession Romanian income would be equal that of German ones? income disparities exist everywhere. Romania is still a relatively poor country, but the opening of labour markets to Romanians WILL benefit Romanian people

Peter Sudyka,

Don't you think that Poland will be isolated if it remains outside the Eurozone?

Poland's neighbours are members of the Eurozone. Germany and Slovakia have adopted the Euro.

Lithuania will adopt the Euro on 1 January 2015.

how will it benefit Romanian people directly? relatively simply. one; Romanians will not be consigned to the geographical location of Romania to compete for jobs (same as Poles, who fled Poland in the early 2000's). two; they will have access to more capital. this is of benefit to Romanian people directly. as for what you term braindrain, this hardly something that is new. those with great ideas, who live in small and dear I say it, impoverished countries, have always and will always go where opportunities for them are greater. this is not a new phenomena. what tends to happen with most immigrants however, is that in most cases, they return and return to invest back home. now, you seem to to view this in the prism of prices, in the sense that the property market will rise as Romanians who have worked abroad will push prices up, but in any economy you have winners and you have losers. most Romanains will benefit however, those that don't will need to adapt and/or be given social provisions.
as for the EU letting Romania in as a geopolitical move, balls