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Obama says borders should not be redrawn by force

U.S. President Barack Obama on Thursday announced additional sanctions against high-ranking Russian officials, individuals, and banks.

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a bit idealistic

pre 10 godina

Like all bullies, they end up with a bloody nose, and I pray that such a day will come that Russia and America are left with a bloody nose and that Europe will finally be free and unified in the true sense (not in the corrupt and bureaucratic EU way) from foreign influence.
(Peter Sudyka, 21 March 2014 09:11)
Nice dream but you know as well as I do it will not happen. It is not human nature to live in this so called peaceful harmony. Throughout history you have major powers that call the shots and if tomorrow it is not the US or Russia or China it will be a single emergence of power to lead not a union of "power" sharing.

Questioner

pre 10 godina

By force? Where? Why? The border of the independent Kosovo was drawn by the unilateral declaration of independence (violating Serbia's constitution), the border of Crimea was drawn by the unilateral declaration of independence (violating Ukraine's constitution), the border of Russia was drawn by the (free or not) will of people living on Crimea, given by a poll for joining Russia and Russia's vote in parliament to annex the territory of Crimea (violating bilateral treaties between Russia and Ukraine about territorial integrity)

Peter Sudyka

pre 10 godina

I don't get how either Putin (since he will remain in charge until he dies) or any American president (any marionette of the banks and corporations) can say such things publicly with a straight face. Both America and Russia take great pleasure in interfering in the internal affairs of sovereign states and then accuse the other side of doing it.

I cannot digest how European nations have become so weak and dependent on these two countries. Instead of defending our nations, our society, our economies and our people, we have spineless, weak and ultra-liberal technocrats that have plunged our countries into debt; corrupted/destroyed our societal norms and values with mass immigration, multiculturalism, political correctness and these ridiculous gender/sexuality issues; and downsized our military to pathetic little defense forces (while the Americans and Russians have gigantic armies, tons of equipment, strategic and tactical capabilities that Europe can only dream of), when we should be investing in our own defense and self-preservation for this precise reason: to defend ourselves from bullying nations like America and Russia. Where is the justice here? How can we have let ourselves get so controlled?

Like all bullies, they end up with a bloody nose, and I pray that such a day will come that Russia and America are left with a bloody nose and that Europe will finally be free and unified in the true sense (not in the corrupt and bureaucratic EU way) from foreign influence.

The Idiot of Illyria

pre 10 godina

News Bulletin: U.S. preparing to send massive quantities of surplus wheat to Russia to prevent starvation.
(The Count of Kosova, 20 March 2014 22:50)

Oh no! That food was supposed to go to starving Albanians in Kosovo! What will you eat?

Rocky

pre 10 godina

what a tangled web we weave when at first we plan to deceive....

In which case is Obumer planning on setting the record straight and paying Serbia billions for the force & destruction it and rest of NATO used in their illegal war and rescind recognition of their force imposed creation of Kosova out of UN recognised sovereign Serbia?

Pandora's box...
(Principa, Gracanica, KiM, Srbija, 20 March 2014 20:21)
Now hold on a minute, thought you were going to get away with that one hmmm?
Well, sorry to be the first to break the news old primcipie, enjoy!
http://inserbia.info/news/2014/03/greece-to-recognize-kosovo/

And another thing that I almost forgot, you should invest in trying to find a new residents somewhere in Russia, while the prices are still cheap! When all your brethren start migrating in masses, prices are going to skyrocket! Entrepreneurs are going to make a killing getting rich off of u Chetniks!

The Count of Kosova

pre 10 godina

Just in, Russia's bond rating has been reduced to Junk by bond rating agency Standard & Poors.

Additionally, several of Putin's cronies are screaming like stuck pigs at having their assets frozen.

One partner at a Russian financial firm was forced to liquidate his holdings in said firm.

People are starting to hoard food in some of Russia's major cities.

It is expected, in the near future, there will be a run on Russian banks throughout the country.

As a consequence, Russian banking authorities are considering to declare a Bank holiday starting this week.

Meanwhile, Putin was sited riding his horse bare chested on the outskirts of Moscow.

Roger7

pre 10 godina

Luke said, "THIS MIGHT LOOK LIKE NOTHING WILL HAPPEN,TO SOME UNEDUCATED INDIVIDUALS,BUT THIS SANCTIONS WILL MAKE PEOPLE INSIDE RUSSIA EAT EACH OTHER EXACTLY THIS IS WHAT HAPPEN IN FORMER YUGOSLAVIA,SADLY RUSSIA IS FINISHED!!"

You are predicting cannibalism and calling others uneducated? LOL!

Many in the US think the sanctions are a joke. The same people would probably consider your comments inappropriate and you uneducated and primitive.

MikeC

pre 10 godina

"Obama says borders should not be redrawn by force"

Isn't that what happend in Kosovo? I think what Obama ment was that borders should only be redrawn by force by America and its allies.

Principa, Gracanica, KiM, Srbija

pre 10 godina

Oh the irony....
what a tangled web we weave when at first we plan to deceive....

In which case is Obumer planning on setting the record straight and paying Serbia billions for the force & destruction it and rest of NATO used in their illegal war and rescind recognition of their force imposed creation of Kosova out of UN recognised sovereign Serbia?

Pandora's box...

Dragorade

pre 10 godina

The Brits and French did a wonderful job of drawing lines in the sand after the collapse of the Ottoman Empire, the Americans seem to have a fetish for drawing lines in Balkans. Back in 2008, under NATO occupation, Kosovo Albanians seceded. Same year, NATO and Americans provided satellite info and covert intelligence to the Georgians and failed to get root out resistive elements in two regions. Russia came to the aid of the two regions, and they seceded. Yanukovych, an elected leader, ousted by puppets sponsored by west, remove Russian language from 30-35% of Ukraine's population to use. Outcome - resistance in South, east and Crimea, followed by the of Crimea. It ain't over yet. I will not be surprised to see Ukraine as a federal state or confederation in order to survive. With Russian as second language and constituent status, otherwise bye-bye to the east and possibly western sections (always historically Russian speaking) soon.

Leonidas

pre 10 godina

"These sanctions would not only have a significant impact on the Russian economy, but could also be disruptive to the global economy," he said, announcing the measures, and added:

These sanctions are nothing more than bluffs (Obama's speciality).One of the names on the list Duma member Sergei Mironov said"Its funny that they're freezing my accounts.I have no accounts,show them.Let them impose whatever sanctions they like.

Next Eastern Ukraine secedes from (Western) Ukraine, declaring itself an independent state and subsequently becomes a de facto part of Russia.

Arkan

pre 10 godina

......""Obama then said that nations must not redraw borders just because they are bigger and more powerful""

SO It's ok to redraw other weak governements borders; such as Serbia's by the US? Remenber US, a lie has short legs...

When will short minded people relealise that you can't redraw the truth. Kosovo is Serbia.

Luke l

pre 10 godina

STRONG LEADERS MAKE WRONG DECISIONS SOMETIMES AND PEOPLE THAT THEY REPRESENT THEM THEY SUFFER THE MOST,UNTIL; PEOPLE CAN'T TAKE IT ANYMORE I BELIEVE STRONGER THAN ANY ARMY IN THE WORLD IS THE PEOPLE,THIS SANCTIONS WILL BRING RUSIA TO THE END AF ANY COMMUNIST ERA,THIS MIGHT LOOK LIKE NOTHING WILL HAPPEN,TO SOME UNEDUCATED INDIVIDUALS,BUT THIS SANCTIONS WILL MAKE PEOPLE INSIDE RUSSIA EAT EACH OTHER EXACTLY THIS IS WHAT HAPPEN IN FORMER YUGOSLAVIA,SADLY RUSSIA IS FINISHED!!

marKo

pre 10 godina

I don't get how he can keep a straight face while he says that stuff. His puny sanctions preventing 20 people from taking vacations are an indication of exactly how much the US and EU will back up friendly small countries when they face a powerful foe. No expensive dinners in London and NYC is the price Putin will pay for new gas fields. Gone are the days of one superpower.

The statment "nations must not redraw borders just because they are bigger and more powerful" was probably the highlight of this farce. It brings to mind the wisdom of the french playwright who wrote "One should examine oneself for a very long time before thinking of condemning others."

The lesson that little people can draw from all of this is that the great powers are much more reliable enemies to small nations than they are as friends to small nations. Anger them and they will destroy you, call them for help and they will largely ignore you.

Arkan

pre 10 godina

......""Obama then said that nations must not redraw borders just because they are bigger and more powerful""

SO It's ok to redraw other weak governements borders; such as Serbia's by the US? Remenber US, a lie has short legs...

When will short minded people relealise that you can't redraw the truth. Kosovo is Serbia.

Principa, Gracanica, KiM, Srbija

pre 10 godina

Oh the irony....
what a tangled web we weave when at first we plan to deceive....

In which case is Obumer planning on setting the record straight and paying Serbia billions for the force & destruction it and rest of NATO used in their illegal war and rescind recognition of their force imposed creation of Kosova out of UN recognised sovereign Serbia?

Pandora's box...

MikeC

pre 10 godina

"Obama says borders should not be redrawn by force"

Isn't that what happend in Kosovo? I think what Obama ment was that borders should only be redrawn by force by America and its allies.

Dragorade

pre 10 godina

The Brits and French did a wonderful job of drawing lines in the sand after the collapse of the Ottoman Empire, the Americans seem to have a fetish for drawing lines in Balkans. Back in 2008, under NATO occupation, Kosovo Albanians seceded. Same year, NATO and Americans provided satellite info and covert intelligence to the Georgians and failed to get root out resistive elements in two regions. Russia came to the aid of the two regions, and they seceded. Yanukovych, an elected leader, ousted by puppets sponsored by west, remove Russian language from 30-35% of Ukraine's population to use. Outcome - resistance in South, east and Crimea, followed by the of Crimea. It ain't over yet. I will not be surprised to see Ukraine as a federal state or confederation in order to survive. With Russian as second language and constituent status, otherwise bye-bye to the east and possibly western sections (always historically Russian speaking) soon.

Leonidas

pre 10 godina

"These sanctions would not only have a significant impact on the Russian economy, but could also be disruptive to the global economy," he said, announcing the measures, and added:

These sanctions are nothing more than bluffs (Obama's speciality).One of the names on the list Duma member Sergei Mironov said"Its funny that they're freezing my accounts.I have no accounts,show them.Let them impose whatever sanctions they like.

Next Eastern Ukraine secedes from (Western) Ukraine, declaring itself an independent state and subsequently becomes a de facto part of Russia.

Roger7

pre 10 godina

Luke said, "THIS MIGHT LOOK LIKE NOTHING WILL HAPPEN,TO SOME UNEDUCATED INDIVIDUALS,BUT THIS SANCTIONS WILL MAKE PEOPLE INSIDE RUSSIA EAT EACH OTHER EXACTLY THIS IS WHAT HAPPEN IN FORMER YUGOSLAVIA,SADLY RUSSIA IS FINISHED!!"

You are predicting cannibalism and calling others uneducated? LOL!

Many in the US think the sanctions are a joke. The same people would probably consider your comments inappropriate and you uneducated and primitive.

marKo

pre 10 godina

I don't get how he can keep a straight face while he says that stuff. His puny sanctions preventing 20 people from taking vacations are an indication of exactly how much the US and EU will back up friendly small countries when they face a powerful foe. No expensive dinners in London and NYC is the price Putin will pay for new gas fields. Gone are the days of one superpower.

The statment "nations must not redraw borders just because they are bigger and more powerful" was probably the highlight of this farce. It brings to mind the wisdom of the french playwright who wrote "One should examine oneself for a very long time before thinking of condemning others."

The lesson that little people can draw from all of this is that the great powers are much more reliable enemies to small nations than they are as friends to small nations. Anger them and they will destroy you, call them for help and they will largely ignore you.

The Idiot of Illyria

pre 10 godina

News Bulletin: U.S. preparing to send massive quantities of surplus wheat to Russia to prevent starvation.
(The Count of Kosova, 20 March 2014 22:50)

Oh no! That food was supposed to go to starving Albanians in Kosovo! What will you eat?

The Count of Kosova

pre 10 godina

Just in, Russia's bond rating has been reduced to Junk by bond rating agency Standard & Poors.

Additionally, several of Putin's cronies are screaming like stuck pigs at having their assets frozen.

One partner at a Russian financial firm was forced to liquidate his holdings in said firm.

People are starting to hoard food in some of Russia's major cities.

It is expected, in the near future, there will be a run on Russian banks throughout the country.

As a consequence, Russian banking authorities are considering to declare a Bank holiday starting this week.

Meanwhile, Putin was sited riding his horse bare chested on the outskirts of Moscow.

Rocky

pre 10 godina

what a tangled web we weave when at first we plan to deceive....

In which case is Obumer planning on setting the record straight and paying Serbia billions for the force & destruction it and rest of NATO used in their illegal war and rescind recognition of their force imposed creation of Kosova out of UN recognised sovereign Serbia?

Pandora's box...
(Principa, Gracanica, KiM, Srbija, 20 March 2014 20:21)
Now hold on a minute, thought you were going to get away with that one hmmm?
Well, sorry to be the first to break the news old primcipie, enjoy!
http://inserbia.info/news/2014/03/greece-to-recognize-kosovo/

And another thing that I almost forgot, you should invest in trying to find a new residents somewhere in Russia, while the prices are still cheap! When all your brethren start migrating in masses, prices are going to skyrocket! Entrepreneurs are going to make a killing getting rich off of u Chetniks!

Luke l

pre 10 godina

STRONG LEADERS MAKE WRONG DECISIONS SOMETIMES AND PEOPLE THAT THEY REPRESENT THEM THEY SUFFER THE MOST,UNTIL; PEOPLE CAN'T TAKE IT ANYMORE I BELIEVE STRONGER THAN ANY ARMY IN THE WORLD IS THE PEOPLE,THIS SANCTIONS WILL BRING RUSIA TO THE END AF ANY COMMUNIST ERA,THIS MIGHT LOOK LIKE NOTHING WILL HAPPEN,TO SOME UNEDUCATED INDIVIDUALS,BUT THIS SANCTIONS WILL MAKE PEOPLE INSIDE RUSSIA EAT EACH OTHER EXACTLY THIS IS WHAT HAPPEN IN FORMER YUGOSLAVIA,SADLY RUSSIA IS FINISHED!!

Peter Sudyka

pre 10 godina

I don't get how either Putin (since he will remain in charge until he dies) or any American president (any marionette of the banks and corporations) can say such things publicly with a straight face. Both America and Russia take great pleasure in interfering in the internal affairs of sovereign states and then accuse the other side of doing it.

I cannot digest how European nations have become so weak and dependent on these two countries. Instead of defending our nations, our society, our economies and our people, we have spineless, weak and ultra-liberal technocrats that have plunged our countries into debt; corrupted/destroyed our societal norms and values with mass immigration, multiculturalism, political correctness and these ridiculous gender/sexuality issues; and downsized our military to pathetic little defense forces (while the Americans and Russians have gigantic armies, tons of equipment, strategic and tactical capabilities that Europe can only dream of), when we should be investing in our own defense and self-preservation for this precise reason: to defend ourselves from bullying nations like America and Russia. Where is the justice here? How can we have let ourselves get so controlled?

Like all bullies, they end up with a bloody nose, and I pray that such a day will come that Russia and America are left with a bloody nose and that Europe will finally be free and unified in the true sense (not in the corrupt and bureaucratic EU way) from foreign influence.

Questioner

pre 10 godina

By force? Where? Why? The border of the independent Kosovo was drawn by the unilateral declaration of independence (violating Serbia's constitution), the border of Crimea was drawn by the unilateral declaration of independence (violating Ukraine's constitution), the border of Russia was drawn by the (free or not) will of people living on Crimea, given by a poll for joining Russia and Russia's vote in parliament to annex the territory of Crimea (violating bilateral treaties between Russia and Ukraine about territorial integrity)

a bit idealistic

pre 10 godina

Like all bullies, they end up with a bloody nose, and I pray that such a day will come that Russia and America are left with a bloody nose and that Europe will finally be free and unified in the true sense (not in the corrupt and bureaucratic EU way) from foreign influence.
(Peter Sudyka, 21 March 2014 09:11)
Nice dream but you know as well as I do it will not happen. It is not human nature to live in this so called peaceful harmony. Throughout history you have major powers that call the shots and if tomorrow it is not the US or Russia or China it will be a single emergence of power to lead not a union of "power" sharing.

Luke l

pre 10 godina

STRONG LEADERS MAKE WRONG DECISIONS SOMETIMES AND PEOPLE THAT THEY REPRESENT THEM THEY SUFFER THE MOST,UNTIL; PEOPLE CAN'T TAKE IT ANYMORE I BELIEVE STRONGER THAN ANY ARMY IN THE WORLD IS THE PEOPLE,THIS SANCTIONS WILL BRING RUSIA TO THE END AF ANY COMMUNIST ERA,THIS MIGHT LOOK LIKE NOTHING WILL HAPPEN,TO SOME UNEDUCATED INDIVIDUALS,BUT THIS SANCTIONS WILL MAKE PEOPLE INSIDE RUSSIA EAT EACH OTHER EXACTLY THIS IS WHAT HAPPEN IN FORMER YUGOSLAVIA,SADLY RUSSIA IS FINISHED!!

The Count of Kosova

pre 10 godina

Just in, Russia's bond rating has been reduced to Junk by bond rating agency Standard & Poors.

Additionally, several of Putin's cronies are screaming like stuck pigs at having their assets frozen.

One partner at a Russian financial firm was forced to liquidate his holdings in said firm.

People are starting to hoard food in some of Russia's major cities.

It is expected, in the near future, there will be a run on Russian banks throughout the country.

As a consequence, Russian banking authorities are considering to declare a Bank holiday starting this week.

Meanwhile, Putin was sited riding his horse bare chested on the outskirts of Moscow.

Rocky

pre 10 godina

what a tangled web we weave when at first we plan to deceive....

In which case is Obumer planning on setting the record straight and paying Serbia billions for the force & destruction it and rest of NATO used in their illegal war and rescind recognition of their force imposed creation of Kosova out of UN recognised sovereign Serbia?

Pandora's box...
(Principa, Gracanica, KiM, Srbija, 20 March 2014 20:21)
Now hold on a minute, thought you were going to get away with that one hmmm?
Well, sorry to be the first to break the news old primcipie, enjoy!
http://inserbia.info/news/2014/03/greece-to-recognize-kosovo/

And another thing that I almost forgot, you should invest in trying to find a new residents somewhere in Russia, while the prices are still cheap! When all your brethren start migrating in masses, prices are going to skyrocket! Entrepreneurs are going to make a killing getting rich off of u Chetniks!

Arkan

pre 10 godina

......""Obama then said that nations must not redraw borders just because they are bigger and more powerful""

SO It's ok to redraw other weak governements borders; such as Serbia's by the US? Remenber US, a lie has short legs...

When will short minded people relealise that you can't redraw the truth. Kosovo is Serbia.

Principa, Gracanica, KiM, Srbija

pre 10 godina

Oh the irony....
what a tangled web we weave when at first we plan to deceive....

In which case is Obumer planning on setting the record straight and paying Serbia billions for the force & destruction it and rest of NATO used in their illegal war and rescind recognition of their force imposed creation of Kosova out of UN recognised sovereign Serbia?

Pandora's box...

Peter Sudyka

pre 10 godina

I don't get how either Putin (since he will remain in charge until he dies) or any American president (any marionette of the banks and corporations) can say such things publicly with a straight face. Both America and Russia take great pleasure in interfering in the internal affairs of sovereign states and then accuse the other side of doing it.

I cannot digest how European nations have become so weak and dependent on these two countries. Instead of defending our nations, our society, our economies and our people, we have spineless, weak and ultra-liberal technocrats that have plunged our countries into debt; corrupted/destroyed our societal norms and values with mass immigration, multiculturalism, political correctness and these ridiculous gender/sexuality issues; and downsized our military to pathetic little defense forces (while the Americans and Russians have gigantic armies, tons of equipment, strategic and tactical capabilities that Europe can only dream of), when we should be investing in our own defense and self-preservation for this precise reason: to defend ourselves from bullying nations like America and Russia. Where is the justice here? How can we have let ourselves get so controlled?

Like all bullies, they end up with a bloody nose, and I pray that such a day will come that Russia and America are left with a bloody nose and that Europe will finally be free and unified in the true sense (not in the corrupt and bureaucratic EU way) from foreign influence.

The Idiot of Illyria

pre 10 godina

News Bulletin: U.S. preparing to send massive quantities of surplus wheat to Russia to prevent starvation.
(The Count of Kosova, 20 March 2014 22:50)

Oh no! That food was supposed to go to starving Albanians in Kosovo! What will you eat?

Leonidas

pre 10 godina

"These sanctions would not only have a significant impact on the Russian economy, but could also be disruptive to the global economy," he said, announcing the measures, and added:

These sanctions are nothing more than bluffs (Obama's speciality).One of the names on the list Duma member Sergei Mironov said"Its funny that they're freezing my accounts.I have no accounts,show them.Let them impose whatever sanctions they like.

Next Eastern Ukraine secedes from (Western) Ukraine, declaring itself an independent state and subsequently becomes a de facto part of Russia.

MikeC

pre 10 godina

"Obama says borders should not be redrawn by force"

Isn't that what happend in Kosovo? I think what Obama ment was that borders should only be redrawn by force by America and its allies.

Roger7

pre 10 godina

Luke said, "THIS MIGHT LOOK LIKE NOTHING WILL HAPPEN,TO SOME UNEDUCATED INDIVIDUALS,BUT THIS SANCTIONS WILL MAKE PEOPLE INSIDE RUSSIA EAT EACH OTHER EXACTLY THIS IS WHAT HAPPEN IN FORMER YUGOSLAVIA,SADLY RUSSIA IS FINISHED!!"

You are predicting cannibalism and calling others uneducated? LOL!

Many in the US think the sanctions are a joke. The same people would probably consider your comments inappropriate and you uneducated and primitive.

marKo

pre 10 godina

I don't get how he can keep a straight face while he says that stuff. His puny sanctions preventing 20 people from taking vacations are an indication of exactly how much the US and EU will back up friendly small countries when they face a powerful foe. No expensive dinners in London and NYC is the price Putin will pay for new gas fields. Gone are the days of one superpower.

The statment "nations must not redraw borders just because they are bigger and more powerful" was probably the highlight of this farce. It brings to mind the wisdom of the french playwright who wrote "One should examine oneself for a very long time before thinking of condemning others."

The lesson that little people can draw from all of this is that the great powers are much more reliable enemies to small nations than they are as friends to small nations. Anger them and they will destroy you, call them for help and they will largely ignore you.

Dragorade

pre 10 godina

The Brits and French did a wonderful job of drawing lines in the sand after the collapse of the Ottoman Empire, the Americans seem to have a fetish for drawing lines in Balkans. Back in 2008, under NATO occupation, Kosovo Albanians seceded. Same year, NATO and Americans provided satellite info and covert intelligence to the Georgians and failed to get root out resistive elements in two regions. Russia came to the aid of the two regions, and they seceded. Yanukovych, an elected leader, ousted by puppets sponsored by west, remove Russian language from 30-35% of Ukraine's population to use. Outcome - resistance in South, east and Crimea, followed by the of Crimea. It ain't over yet. I will not be surprised to see Ukraine as a federal state or confederation in order to survive. With Russian as second language and constituent status, otherwise bye-bye to the east and possibly western sections (always historically Russian speaking) soon.

Questioner

pre 10 godina

By force? Where? Why? The border of the independent Kosovo was drawn by the unilateral declaration of independence (violating Serbia's constitution), the border of Crimea was drawn by the unilateral declaration of independence (violating Ukraine's constitution), the border of Russia was drawn by the (free or not) will of people living on Crimea, given by a poll for joining Russia and Russia's vote in parliament to annex the territory of Crimea (violating bilateral treaties between Russia and Ukraine about territorial integrity)

a bit idealistic

pre 10 godina

Like all bullies, they end up with a bloody nose, and I pray that such a day will come that Russia and America are left with a bloody nose and that Europe will finally be free and unified in the true sense (not in the corrupt and bureaucratic EU way) from foreign influence.
(Peter Sudyka, 21 March 2014 09:11)
Nice dream but you know as well as I do it will not happen. It is not human nature to live in this so called peaceful harmony. Throughout history you have major powers that call the shots and if tomorrow it is not the US or Russia or China it will be a single emergence of power to lead not a union of "power" sharing.