Crimea "declares independence," references ICJ opinion

This is quite amusing! Thanks to Kosovo, anyone can declare independence from this point forward. No but wait, Kosovo is a unique case. Yeah right!!!

At the time, I remember the Western politicians being very adamant that Kosovo's declaration of independence will *NOT* set a precedent...well there you have it.

"Crimea declares independence-references ICJ decision"

OUCH! Many more to come from where that one came, eh Ian,UK???

They're obviously following Putin's orders, after all, he is the author of the fictional artificial manufactured myth "The Kosovo Precedent".

This Crimean Parliment can't decide what it wants, first more autonomy, then unification with Russia, now independence? All in the space of just over a week haha!

Let me congratulate the Crimean Russians, now they can live in Paradise like Abkhazia and South Ossetia.

Be careful what you wish for becasue it may just come true.

Where's that troll icj today. As we have been saying along numbskull, anyone can declare independence, doesn't make it so. Can you figure it out now?

'The court found that this was not the case, "because international law does not prohibit such declarations." '

Ha, I love it. In your face NATO war criminals! In your face Albright, Clark, Clintonliar, Cohen, Bliar, Scharping, Rubin, Berger...and the rest of the neocon liars and propagandists!!! Well done Russia, well done :). Now watch the lying weasels try to justify their double standards. Next, referendum in Donetsk, Lugansk, Odessa,....and Republika Srpska!
Cheers!!

I guess they have a point it in no way violates UNSC1244!

Of course they can refer to ICJ, but recognition is a political process and no requirement for not a single country. Like Abkhazia and South Ossetia, or in former times like the Manshuko Republic. Nobody of note will recognize and will regard that act as an invasion. But it will be funny to see how Russia will perpetuate his Anti-Albanian stance. Expect a lot spinning. :-)

Nobody of note will recognize and will regard that act as an invasion. But it will be funny to see how Russia will perpetuate his Anti-Albanian stance. Expect a lot spinning. :-)
(John, 11 March 2014 16:51)

All that needs to be done is for Russia to recognize it, which it will and Crimea is as much on the map as Kosovo. As far as Russia pursuing an "anti-Albanian" stance, don't flatter yourself. Putin couldn't care less about Albanians. He does care and will play to the double standards the West uses whenever it tries to argue Kosovo's case was sui generis. So Kosovo, Crimea, Abkhazia, South Ossetia, and any other tin-pot breakaway Boratistan can declare independence, get recognized by a great power and live in perpetual sovereign ambiguity.

Fun fun!

So Russians accept that Kosovo's independence is not in violation with international law.

(Ian, UK, 11 March 2014 16:31)

Well just as the declaration by the Albanians in Kosovo i Metohija were under direct supervision of Western powers, so too is this Crimean deceleration. South Ossetia and Abkhazia are not doing any worse today than they were under Georgia and Albanians sure as hell are not doing better after their proclamation than they were before.

Did Ukraine expel 1 million Crimean Russians to Russia?

Are they finding mass graves full of Crimean Russians in Crimea?

Didn't think so. Therefore, they're not even close to Kosovo!

I a bit confused. Does this mean that Russia will now change its stance on Kosovo. Will it say Kosovo had the right to declare independence. Free will my a$$. As usual... as it always has been the mighty will force the weak into submission. In Kosovo, it was US which forced Serbia into submission; in Crimea its Russia which forced Ukraine into submission.

Ok, so now Russia accepts Kosovo/a's DOI and so will Crimea. If mother russia accepts it then what will Serbia do? Only China now remains as the only person at the UN that can Veto making Kosovo/a a UN member.

Putin will say that the ICJ allows it but I can't let me Serbian friends down and will spin another tale of sorts. My brothers I need the navy base more then I need you. Maybe next time you'll do as I say and sell me all your companies at the rate I demand.

Did Ukraine expel 1 million Crimean Russians to Russia?
Are they finding mass graves full of Crimean Russians in Crimea?
Didn't think so. Therefore, they're not even close to Kosovo!
(Fluid, 11 March 2014 18:53)
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That's because Russia is not bombing Kiev or the Ukraine unlike NATO bombing Belgrade and Serbia, thus creating a humanitarian catastrophy. Crimea will achived its goal without a shot being fired, a bomb being dropped or an innocent life being lost. Now Russia sure can teach NATO a lesson or two.

Indeed, if Russia wants to stay credible, they must recognize Kosovo, too. Otherwise the world can see the hypocrisy when Putin is referring about 'sovereign states' and 'territorial integrity'.
(Comm. Parrisson, 11 March 2014 18:18)
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Yeah if Russia cared about the way they look to the west.
US certainly doesn't care so it's might that's right.
Caring how you look will only work against you.

Once the west tires of Kosovo or need to shut camp Bondsteel due to lack of funds the west will let go of "Albanian interests" but Russia will negver tire of their own. Serbs can only benefit from it.

At the time, I remember the Western politicians being very adamant that Kosovo's declaration of independence will *NOT* set a precedent...well there you have it.
(JC, 11 March 2014 16:31)

If Kosovo really did set a "precedent" like Putin said, why does he have to forcibly engineer successions through military force and through puppet governments to prove his "precedent" theory? Why can't he just let these successions occur naturally if Kosovo really did set a "precedent"?

Oh wait, because these "successions" wouldn't occur without being forcibly engineered by the Russian military on Putin's orders as Kosovo didn't set a "precedent".

Russia is just playing the same game of double standards and following precedents already set by the West. Now why would Russia recognise the NATO creation of "Kosovahh"*? There were no mass expulsions or anything of the like before NATO's bombing campaign and lets not forget Serbian forces were fighting NATO backed and funded terrorists! NATO then recognised those terrorists as the legitimate puppet leaders of "Kosovahhhh"*, with that strategy continuing into Afganistan, Libya, Iraq and so on.

Some people are just delusional thinking international law is anything but a tool used by certain powers to support their agenda when it suits and ignore it when it doesn't. The West set that precendent so Russia is simply following.

Quite interesting now seeing how western propaganda outlets are ignoring certain events, like the phone tap on Ashton and Estonia's PM, this declaration of independence sighting "Kosovahh"*'s precedent. You can see how the West's dirty agenda is backfiring. Looks like Putin has ended those unconstitutional revolutions.

Oh wait, because these "successions" wouldn't occur without being forcibly engineered by the Russian military on Putin's orders as Kosovo didn't set a "precedent".
(Ian, UK, 11 March 2014 17:45)
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And Kosovo seceded peacefully?

It took NATO agression but Russia didn't even fire a shot. It looks like Russia is doing it peacefully.

So Russians accept that Kosovo's independence is not in violation with international law.
(Mark, 11 March 2014 20:30
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LOL! You don't get it, this is about the declaration of independence, not about achieving it, which "Kosovahh"* has not. Crimea has declared it but that is not their goal, the referrendum is planned to join Russia next week. Russia is already a recognised country and Crimea will just be another part of it.

If you don't like the precendents already set by the West, then crimea river. ;)

Didn't think so. Therefore, they're not even close to Kosovo!
(Fluid, 11 March 2014 18:53)
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Yep, you go and tell them.

Oh dear Ian put that dummy back in... The people of Crimea have done exactly what Albanians in Kosovo did ask for a stronger military and political country to help them with there plans... Difference is the far right forced i.e. the west and the west don't like the fact Putin out maneuvered them in Crimea by simply saying i am protecting my people which he is and the same in Eastern Ukraine... All it takes is one idiot from far right group in Kiev with a gun then you will truly see Russian troops in Ukraine! Now go back to the circus thats a good boy!

That's because Russia is not bombing Kiev or the Ukraine unlike NATO bombing Belgrade and Serbia, thus creating a humanitarian catastrophy. Crimea will achived its goal without a shot being fired, a bomb being dropped or an innocent life being lost. Now Russia sure can teach NATO a lesson or two.
(Zoran, 11 March 2014 23:39)
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Oh how have you all forgotten why was Serbia bombed to begin with... Just a friendly reminder: It was the killings of civilians by the Serb forces that caused the NATO bombing, not the other way around! Selective amnesia, as usual!

And let us not forget "over my dead body" Jeremic, without whom there would not be an ICJ opinion. Let us thank him today for his efforts and for weakening further Serbia's case. Even though he has no power anymore, his actions continue to have consequences. :)

"The court also explained that it was not asked, and therefore did not declare itself on the legal consequences of that proclamation, and "in particular, whether Kosovo has achieved statehood."

Nice to see this part of the ruling finally being quoted by a Western-controlled media source like B92!

Of course anyone can declare themselves to be independent of earth itself, but the force and effect of that meaningless declaration is all that matters and was studiously avoided by media such as yours, B92, when you carried the meaningless declaration of the "world" court that anyone can declare anything anytime anywhere, BUT did not play up the caveat that you have now conveniently cited with respect to your enemy Russia, in reference to the Crimean case. B92 has already lost all credibility in the eyes of its non-brainwashed readers who simply ask the question that brought down McCarthy: Have you no shame? Have you no shame B92?

Well when Vojvodina declares its independence I expect everyone in Serbia to supports its peaceful transition like in Crimea. Also how many wars has Russia fought internally because its against the principle of self determination within its own country (does Chechnya ring a bell).Now that Putin is accepting this new principle, I expect the Russian state to get a lot smaller.

So in case Russia will recognizes Crimea or will een allow it to join, we can expect Russia to recognize Kosovo as well? I'm curious...

They're obviously following Putin's orders, after all, he is the author of the fictional artificial manufactured myth "The Kosovo Precedent".

Of course, because I guess the ones that made it come true, the US and the EU for sure cant be the authors right? Aint that funny that Russia who opposed it suddenly became the authors of it?

Well when Vojvodina declares its independence I expect everyone in Serbia to supports its peaceful transition like in Crimea. Also how many wars has Russia fought internally because its against the principle of self determination within its own country (does Chechnya ring a bell).Now that Putin is accepting this new principle, I expect the Russian state to get a lot smaller.
(commonsense, 11 March 2014 17:55)

Why would Vojvodina declare independence? I am from Vojvodina and I have never ever heard such a thing. The population is 75%serb and not even the hungarians or romanians have ever mentioned about breaking away so I dont really know what ur talking about?

"Nobody of note will recognize and will regard that act as an invasion."
(John, 11 March 2014 16:51)

In this case, no need that anyone recognizes Crimea, because it will join Russia soon. Might have been an option for Kosovo, too, but Kosovo was protected by the west and not by Albania, and the western powers didn't allow it.

"But it will be funny to see how Russia will perpetuate his Anti-Albanian stance. Expect a lot spinning. :-)"
(John, 11 March 2014 16:51)
Indeed, if Russia wants to stay credible, they must recognize Kosovo, too. Otherwise the world can see the hypocrisy when Putin is referring about 'sovereign states' and 'territorial integrity'.

If mighty Camp Bondsteel closes, whose latrines will you and Leonidis clean.
(The Count of Kosova, 12 March 2014 20:39)
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Hey buddy, those toilets are in your back yard not ours.

It took NATO agression but Russia didn't even fire a shot. It looks like Russia is doing it peacefully.
(Peggy, 12 March 2014 08:19)

Indeed, somebody putting a gun on your head and asking you to open the safe where you keep your money just means you giving the money to that somebody peacefully because that somebody didn't even fire a shot to get it. That's why I still don't get why the above is a crime in all civilized countries, Serbia and Russia included!

The real source and only source of this news report is Radio The Voice of Russia. I have checked CNN,BBC,FOX, etc... and they have no such report. Beta and b92 must have been there, since they claim to be the source of news!? and who is that Russian radio???

Funny, the only one who uses the "Kosovo precedent" is Russia, though they did not recognize....yet.

Ukraine on the other hand has now the right to re-develop his nuclear arsenal, and the West has finally the clearest sign that Russia and his qissling-peoples are our deepest enemies. It is time to act, like killing Southstream, imposing the harshest visas and strongest customs duties on Russian nationals and companies and, finally, change the gas imports from Russia the United States.

Umm I don't know if most people realize that prior to Kosovo there were other places that declared independence that was deemed illegal so Kosovo wasn't the first and I'm sure it won't be the last. The concepts of countries/nations is still relatively new in the world.

Oh wait, because these "successions" wouldn't occur without being forcibly engineered by the Russian military on Putin's orders as Kosovo didn't set a "precedent".
(Ian, UK, 11 March 2014 17:45) ¨

They occur because the EU and the US finance hooligans and fasist to overthrow a democratially chosen president in order to reinstate a puppet government loyal only to the CIA. Thats exactly why the russians had to intervene as Putin has stated numerous of times, to protect the russian people from right wing fasist. You do recall that it was the crimean russians that ASKED Russia for help dont you? Do you really think they would have done that without a reason?

Any reference to the farcical ICJ 'judgement' with respect to Kosovo and it's relevance to events in Crimea is a non starter. The overwhelmingly Russian population of Crimea wish union with their countrymen in Russia. They fear rightist Western supported revolutionaries in Kiev. Whatever one's opinion of the oafish Yanukovich, he was still the duly elected president of Ukraine. This not some Western backed land grab with the aid of tomahawk missiles. The West pick and choose which rebellion to back. There is no such thing as a unique Kosovo scenario. Everywhere is Kosovo now, thanks to NATO.

One thing everyone keeps neglecting is that Crimea does not want to become its own independent state. Ok fine they have declared independence so why not become independent? The answer is that they would never be able to join the UN. Now if they set the precedent of joining Russia, then you could possibly see Kosovo/a joining Albania proper and then maybe there would be swaps of territory northern Mitrovica with the southern part of Serbia. Serbia would still lose 15% of its land. You'll have what you have always feared greater Albania. Be careful what you wish for because the west and russia are in it for themselves and they don't care about any other nationality even if they are distant cousins like the serbs.

Seriously, does anybody here really care about Crimea? I guess the sore loser Serbians do. They get a hard-on when they think someone poked NATO in the eye. However, this whole Crimea nonsense just started and its fresh. The West is being careful and deliberate to make sure that they hit Russia in the most painful way. Russia will pay for this... Just wait and see. Just because the West doesn't make decisions on your time doesn't mean that there isn't anything being planned. They will make a move when they are ready.

However, lets not lose our eye off the prize...Kosova!

Its in Albanian hands and will remain that way for eternity:)

Good job Kosovars. You outsmarted the Serbs and won!

"The ICJ advisory opinion, referenced in today's declaration made in Crimea, concerned what the judges said was "a specific and narrow question" forwarded by the UN General Assembly, on whether the ethnic Albanian unilateral declaration was in violation of international law.

The court found that this was not the case, "because international law does not prohibit such declarations.""

Oh dear, it appears that these guys in Crimea have hired some of our dear Serbian friends in these forums as legal advisors. The court never said the sentence shown in quotes above. That sentence is just not written in ICJ's Opinion... but perhaps is written in the Serbian version or in Wikipedia :)

Even admitting for just a moment the tale of the "Kosovo precedent" as true and not just bs, and putting these events on the same level, the score would be: West 1 - Russia 3 (and counting). West only intervened in Kosovo directly, Russia in South Ossetia, Abhkazia, Crimea, and maybe other places in Ukraine as well. So to et even, the West has two more places to intervene.

Once the west tires of Kosovo or need to shut camp Bondsteel due to lack of funds the west will let go of "Albanian interests" but Russia will negver tire of their own. Serbs can only benefit from it.
(Peggy, 12 March 2014 08:16)

Peggy,

If mighty Camp Bondsteel closes, whose latrines will you and Leonidis clean.

Peggy

did you say in "your backyard"? That means all this time you have been arguing for what? You just admitted that Kosovo/a is not in your backyard meaning Serbia propers backyard. I thought Kosovo/a was in Serbia. Slip of the tongue maybe.

Peggy

did you say in "your backyard"? That means all this time you have been arguing for what? You just admitted that Kosovo/a is not in your backyard meaning Serbia propers backyard. I thought Kosovo/a was in Serbia. Slip of the tongue maybe.
(kiko, 13 March 2014 19:12)
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Wow you need to get off those mushrooms.
I meant that it's majority Albanians who live in that part of Kosovo and nothing more. It's the Albanians who will be looking for work there.
Now stay off the mushrooms boy. They will make you stupid every time.

"Let me congratulate the Crimean Russians, now they can live in Paradise like Abkhazia and South Ossetia."

@Ian UK

Well, they can always move to Kosovo if they get bored of the beaches, sub-tropical climate, and botanical gardens and settle of living standard like Ethiopia and hunting for old copper piping.

Here is a thought, the "Kosovo precedent does not exist" is a line originating in the US state department, mindlessly repeated by propagandists of Kosovo. Also Russia did not compare Kosovo to Crimea, they said its a "special case" - like Kosovo.

They're obviously following Putin's orders, after all, he is the author of the fictional artificial manufactured myth "The Kosovo Precedent".

This Crimean Parliment can't decide what it wants, first more autonomy, then unification with Russia, now independence? All in the space of just over a week haha!

Let me congratulate the Crimean Russians, now they can live in Paradise like Abkhazia and South Ossetia.

Be careful what you wish for becasue it may just come true.

Of course they can refer to ICJ, but recognition is a political process and no requirement for not a single country. Like Abkhazia and South Ossetia, or in former times like the Manshuko Republic. Nobody of note will recognize and will regard that act as an invasion. But it will be funny to see how Russia will perpetuate his Anti-Albanian stance. Expect a lot spinning. :-)

This is quite amusing! Thanks to Kosovo, anyone can declare independence from this point forward. No but wait, Kosovo is a unique case. Yeah right!!!

Did Ukraine expel 1 million Crimean Russians to Russia?

Are they finding mass graves full of Crimean Russians in Crimea?

Didn't think so. Therefore, they're not even close to Kosovo!

At the time, I remember the Western politicians being very adamant that Kosovo's declaration of independence will *NOT* set a precedent...well there you have it.

"Crimea declares independence-references ICJ decision"

OUCH! Many more to come from where that one came, eh Ian,UK???

So Russians accept that Kosovo's independence is not in violation with international law.

That's because Russia is not bombing Kiev or the Ukraine unlike NATO bombing Belgrade and Serbia, thus creating a humanitarian catastrophy. Crimea will achived its goal without a shot being fired, a bomb being dropped or an innocent life being lost. Now Russia sure can teach NATO a lesson or two.
(Zoran, 11 March 2014 23:39)
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Oh how have you all forgotten why was Serbia bombed to begin with... Just a friendly reminder: It was the killings of civilians by the Serb forces that caused the NATO bombing, not the other way around! Selective amnesia, as usual!

At the time, I remember the Western politicians being very adamant that Kosovo's declaration of independence will *NOT* set a precedent...well there you have it.
(JC, 11 March 2014 16:31)

If Kosovo really did set a "precedent" like Putin said, why does he have to forcibly engineer successions through military force and through puppet governments to prove his "precedent" theory? Why can't he just let these successions occur naturally if Kosovo really did set a "precedent"?

Oh wait, because these "successions" wouldn't occur without being forcibly engineered by the Russian military on Putin's orders as Kosovo didn't set a "precedent".

Well when Vojvodina declares its independence I expect everyone in Serbia to supports its peaceful transition like in Crimea. Also how many wars has Russia fought internally because its against the principle of self determination within its own country (does Chechnya ring a bell).Now that Putin is accepting this new principle, I expect the Russian state to get a lot smaller.

Seriously, does anybody here really care about Crimea? I guess the sore loser Serbians do. They get a hard-on when they think someone poked NATO in the eye. However, this whole Crimea nonsense just started and its fresh. The West is being careful and deliberate to make sure that they hit Russia in the most painful way. Russia will pay for this... Just wait and see. Just because the West doesn't make decisions on your time doesn't mean that there isn't anything being planned. They will make a move when they are ready.

However, lets not lose our eye off the prize...Kosova!

Its in Albanian hands and will remain that way for eternity:)

Good job Kosovars. You outsmarted the Serbs and won!

So in case Russia will recognizes Crimea or will een allow it to join, we can expect Russia to recognize Kosovo as well? I'm curious...

"The ICJ advisory opinion, referenced in today's declaration made in Crimea, concerned what the judges said was "a specific and narrow question" forwarded by the UN General Assembly, on whether the ethnic Albanian unilateral declaration was in violation of international law.

The court found that this was not the case, "because international law does not prohibit such declarations.""

Oh dear, it appears that these guys in Crimea have hired some of our dear Serbian friends in these forums as legal advisors. The court never said the sentence shown in quotes above. That sentence is just not written in ICJ's Opinion... but perhaps is written in the Serbian version or in Wikipedia :)

Oh wait, because these "successions" wouldn't occur without being forcibly engineered by the Russian military on Putin's orders as Kosovo didn't set a "precedent".
(Ian, UK, 11 March 2014 17:45)
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And Kosovo seceded peacefully?

It took NATO agression but Russia didn't even fire a shot. It looks like Russia is doing it peacefully.

"Nobody of note will recognize and will regard that act as an invasion."
(John, 11 March 2014 16:51)

In this case, no need that anyone recognizes Crimea, because it will join Russia soon. Might have been an option for Kosovo, too, but Kosovo was protected by the west and not by Albania, and the western powers didn't allow it.

"But it will be funny to see how Russia will perpetuate his Anti-Albanian stance. Expect a lot spinning. :-)"
(John, 11 March 2014 16:51)
Indeed, if Russia wants to stay credible, they must recognize Kosovo, too. Otherwise the world can see the hypocrisy when Putin is referring about 'sovereign states' and 'territorial integrity'.

Where's that troll icj today. As we have been saying along numbskull, anyone can declare independence, doesn't make it so. Can you figure it out now?

Funny, the only one who uses the "Kosovo precedent" is Russia, though they did not recognize....yet.

Ukraine on the other hand has now the right to re-develop his nuclear arsenal, and the West has finally the clearest sign that Russia and his qissling-peoples are our deepest enemies. It is time to act, like killing Southstream, imposing the harshest visas and strongest customs duties on Russian nationals and companies and, finally, change the gas imports from Russia the United States.

And let us not forget "over my dead body" Jeremic, without whom there would not be an ICJ opinion. Let us thank him today for his efforts and for weakening further Serbia's case. Even though he has no power anymore, his actions continue to have consequences. :)

Ok, so now Russia accepts Kosovo/a's DOI and so will Crimea. If mother russia accepts it then what will Serbia do? Only China now remains as the only person at the UN that can Veto making Kosovo/a a UN member.

Putin will say that the ICJ allows it but I can't let me Serbian friends down and will spin another tale of sorts. My brothers I need the navy base more then I need you. Maybe next time you'll do as I say and sell me all your companies at the rate I demand.

Once the west tires of Kosovo or need to shut camp Bondsteel due to lack of funds the west will let go of "Albanian interests" but Russia will negver tire of their own. Serbs can only benefit from it.
(Peggy, 12 March 2014 08:16)

Peggy,

If mighty Camp Bondsteel closes, whose latrines will you and Leonidis clean.

Indeed, if Russia wants to stay credible, they must recognize Kosovo, too. Otherwise the world can see the hypocrisy when Putin is referring about 'sovereign states' and 'territorial integrity'.
(Comm. Parrisson, 11 March 2014 18:18)
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Yeah if Russia cared about the way they look to the west.
US certainly doesn't care so it's might that's right.
Caring how you look will only work against you.

Once the west tires of Kosovo or need to shut camp Bondsteel due to lack of funds the west will let go of "Albanian interests" but Russia will negver tire of their own. Serbs can only benefit from it.

One thing everyone keeps neglecting is that Crimea does not want to become its own independent state. Ok fine they have declared independence so why not become independent? The answer is that they would never be able to join the UN. Now if they set the precedent of joining Russia, then you could possibly see Kosovo/a joining Albania proper and then maybe there would be swaps of territory northern Mitrovica with the southern part of Serbia. Serbia would still lose 15% of its land. You'll have what you have always feared greater Albania. Be careful what you wish for because the west and russia are in it for themselves and they don't care about any other nationality even if they are distant cousins like the serbs.

Peggy

did you say in "your backyard"? That means all this time you have been arguing for what? You just admitted that Kosovo/a is not in your backyard meaning Serbia propers backyard. I thought Kosovo/a was in Serbia. Slip of the tongue maybe.
(kiko, 13 March 2014 19:12)
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Wow you need to get off those mushrooms.
I meant that it's majority Albanians who live in that part of Kosovo and nothing more. It's the Albanians who will be looking for work there.
Now stay off the mushrooms boy. They will make you stupid every time.

(Ian, UK, 11 March 2014 16:31)

Well just as the declaration by the Albanians in Kosovo i Metohija were under direct supervision of Western powers, so too is this Crimean deceleration. South Ossetia and Abkhazia are not doing any worse today than they were under Georgia and Albanians sure as hell are not doing better after their proclamation than they were before.

'The court found that this was not the case, "because international law does not prohibit such declarations." '

Ha, I love it. In your face NATO war criminals! In your face Albright, Clark, Clintonliar, Cohen, Bliar, Scharping, Rubin, Berger...and the rest of the neocon liars and propagandists!!! Well done Russia, well done :). Now watch the lying weasels try to justify their double standards. Next, referendum in Donetsk, Lugansk, Odessa,....and Republika Srpska!
Cheers!!

So Russians accept that Kosovo's independence is not in violation with international law.
(Mark, 11 March 2014 20:30
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LOL! You don't get it, this is about the declaration of independence, not about achieving it, which "Kosovahh"* has not. Crimea has declared it but that is not their goal, the referrendum is planned to join Russia next week. Russia is already a recognised country and Crimea will just be another part of it.

If you don't like the precendents already set by the West, then crimea river. ;)

Did Ukraine expel 1 million Crimean Russians to Russia?
Are they finding mass graves full of Crimean Russians in Crimea?
Didn't think so. Therefore, they're not even close to Kosovo!
(Fluid, 11 March 2014 18:53)
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That's because Russia is not bombing Kiev or the Ukraine unlike NATO bombing Belgrade and Serbia, thus creating a humanitarian catastrophy. Crimea will achived its goal without a shot being fired, a bomb being dropped or an innocent life being lost. Now Russia sure can teach NATO a lesson or two.

Well when Vojvodina declares its independence I expect everyone in Serbia to supports its peaceful transition like in Crimea. Also how many wars has Russia fought internally because its against the principle of self determination within its own country (does Chechnya ring a bell).Now that Putin is accepting this new principle, I expect the Russian state to get a lot smaller.
(commonsense, 11 March 2014 17:55)

Why would Vojvodina declare independence? I am from Vojvodina and I have never ever heard such a thing. The population is 75%serb and not even the hungarians or romanians have ever mentioned about breaking away so I dont really know what ur talking about?

Oh dear Ian put that dummy back in... The people of Crimea have done exactly what Albanians in Kosovo did ask for a stronger military and political country to help them with there plans... Difference is the far right forced i.e. the west and the west don't like the fact Putin out maneuvered them in Crimea by simply saying i am protecting my people which he is and the same in Eastern Ukraine... All it takes is one idiot from far right group in Kiev with a gun then you will truly see Russian troops in Ukraine! Now go back to the circus thats a good boy!

Any reference to the farcical ICJ 'judgement' with respect to Kosovo and it's relevance to events in Crimea is a non starter. The overwhelmingly Russian population of Crimea wish union with their countrymen in Russia. They fear rightist Western supported revolutionaries in Kiev. Whatever one's opinion of the oafish Yanukovich, he was still the duly elected president of Ukraine. This not some Western backed land grab with the aid of tomahawk missiles. The West pick and choose which rebellion to back. There is no such thing as a unique Kosovo scenario. Everywhere is Kosovo now, thanks to NATO.

Nobody of note will recognize and will regard that act as an invasion. But it will be funny to see how Russia will perpetuate his Anti-Albanian stance. Expect a lot spinning. :-)
(John, 11 March 2014 16:51)

All that needs to be done is for Russia to recognize it, which it will and Crimea is as much on the map as Kosovo. As far as Russia pursuing an "anti-Albanian" stance, don't flatter yourself. Putin couldn't care less about Albanians. He does care and will play to the double standards the West uses whenever it tries to argue Kosovo's case was sui generis. So Kosovo, Crimea, Abkhazia, South Ossetia, and any other tin-pot breakaway Boratistan can declare independence, get recognized by a great power and live in perpetual sovereign ambiguity.

Fun fun!

They're obviously following Putin's orders, after all, he is the author of the fictional artificial manufactured myth "The Kosovo Precedent".

Of course, because I guess the ones that made it come true, the US and the EU for sure cant be the authors right? Aint that funny that Russia who opposed it suddenly became the authors of it?

Russia is just playing the same game of double standards and following precedents already set by the West. Now why would Russia recognise the NATO creation of "Kosovahh"*? There were no mass expulsions or anything of the like before NATO's bombing campaign and lets not forget Serbian forces were fighting NATO backed and funded terrorists! NATO then recognised those terrorists as the legitimate puppet leaders of "Kosovahhhh"*, with that strategy continuing into Afganistan, Libya, Iraq and so on.

Some people are just delusional thinking international law is anything but a tool used by certain powers to support their agenda when it suits and ignore it when it doesn't. The West set that precendent so Russia is simply following.

Quite interesting now seeing how western propaganda outlets are ignoring certain events, like the phone tap on Ashton and Estonia's PM, this declaration of independence sighting "Kosovahh"*'s precedent. You can see how the West's dirty agenda is backfiring. Looks like Putin has ended those unconstitutional revolutions.

"The court also explained that it was not asked, and therefore did not declare itself on the legal consequences of that proclamation, and "in particular, whether Kosovo has achieved statehood."

Nice to see this part of the ruling finally being quoted by a Western-controlled media source like B92!

Of course anyone can declare themselves to be independent of earth itself, but the force and effect of that meaningless declaration is all that matters and was studiously avoided by media such as yours, B92, when you carried the meaningless declaration of the "world" court that anyone can declare anything anytime anywhere, BUT did not play up the caveat that you have now conveniently cited with respect to your enemy Russia, in reference to the Crimean case. B92 has already lost all credibility in the eyes of its non-brainwashed readers who simply ask the question that brought down McCarthy: Have you no shame? Have you no shame B92?

The real source and only source of this news report is Radio The Voice of Russia. I have checked CNN,BBC,FOX, etc... and they have no such report. Beta and b92 must have been there, since they claim to be the source of news!? and who is that Russian radio???

Oh wait, because these "successions" wouldn't occur without being forcibly engineered by the Russian military on Putin's orders as Kosovo didn't set a "precedent".
(Ian, UK, 11 March 2014 17:45) ¨

They occur because the EU and the US finance hooligans and fasist to overthrow a democratially chosen president in order to reinstate a puppet government loyal only to the CIA. Thats exactly why the russians had to intervene as Putin has stated numerous of times, to protect the russian people from right wing fasist. You do recall that it was the crimean russians that ASKED Russia for help dont you? Do you really think they would have done that without a reason?

Didn't think so. Therefore, they're not even close to Kosovo!
(Fluid, 11 March 2014 18:53)
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Yep, you go and tell them.

Peggy

did you say in "your backyard"? That means all this time you have been arguing for what? You just admitted that Kosovo/a is not in your backyard meaning Serbia propers backyard. I thought Kosovo/a was in Serbia. Slip of the tongue maybe.

I guess they have a point it in no way violates UNSC1244!

I a bit confused. Does this mean that Russia will now change its stance on Kosovo. Will it say Kosovo had the right to declare independence. Free will my a$$. As usual... as it always has been the mighty will force the weak into submission. In Kosovo, it was US which forced Serbia into submission; in Crimea its Russia which forced Ukraine into submission.

Umm I don't know if most people realize that prior to Kosovo there were other places that declared independence that was deemed illegal so Kosovo wasn't the first and I'm sure it won't be the last. The concepts of countries/nations is still relatively new in the world.

If mighty Camp Bondsteel closes, whose latrines will you and Leonidis clean.
(The Count of Kosova, 12 March 2014 20:39)
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Hey buddy, those toilets are in your back yard not ours.

It took NATO agression but Russia didn't even fire a shot. It looks like Russia is doing it peacefully.
(Peggy, 12 March 2014 08:19)

Indeed, somebody putting a gun on your head and asking you to open the safe where you keep your money just means you giving the money to that somebody peacefully because that somebody didn't even fire a shot to get it. That's why I still don't get why the above is a crime in all civilized countries, Serbia and Russia included!

"Let me congratulate the Crimean Russians, now they can live in Paradise like Abkhazia and South Ossetia."

@Ian UK

Well, they can always move to Kosovo if they get bored of the beaches, sub-tropical climate, and botanical gardens and settle of living standard like Ethiopia and hunting for old copper piping.

Here is a thought, the "Kosovo precedent does not exist" is a line originating in the US state department, mindlessly repeated by propagandists of Kosovo. Also Russia did not compare Kosovo to Crimea, they said its a "special case" - like Kosovo.

Even admitting for just a moment the tale of the "Kosovo precedent" as true and not just bs, and putting these events on the same level, the score would be: West 1 - Russia 3 (and counting). West only intervened in Kosovo directly, Russia in South Ossetia, Abhkazia, Crimea, and maybe other places in Ukraine as well. So to et even, the West has two more places to intervene.