"We always said NATO attack was aggression"

Typical unintelligible drivel and claptrap from the albo trolls that pollute this site daily. They know damn well that there was zero, I repeat, ZERO, ethnic cleansing by Serbians in Kosovo prior to the illegal bombing by NATO war criminals. There were, however, decades of ethnic cleansing by the albanians against the indigenous Serbs, and plenty of documentation to support this. The truth is, when you murder policemen and mailmen, poison cattle owned by Serbian farmers, desecrate centuries old Serbian churches, continue a never ending terrorism, eventually any state says enough is enough and sends in the anti-terrorist squads to maintain order. Any country would do this, but according to war criminal Albright, Serbia was not allowed to defend herself from KLA terrorism. The NATO war criminals' double standards are in wide open display right now for everyone to see, yet these shameless scoundrels and their complicit bubble headed media keep telling us that Crimeans don't deserve the right to self determination while their terrorist, neo-nazi, and jihadist friends around the world do. In the words of Charlie Sheen, Russia is 'winning!'. Keep it up, and ignore the war criminals, right is on your side.
Cheers!!

message to the internet anti-serb trolls:

Go get a real job!

So it is the albanians who have been cleansed? Incredibly poor job by the Serbs as the Albanian ppoulation of Kosovo has skyrocketed. 7-8000 casualties of that war, 37% of them Serbs with 10% of the population. Those Serbs are the worst ethnic cleansers on the planet! They should be tried for being so terrible at it. And look at Kosovo today. In Pristina, pre war Serb population was 42000, today 118. How can we allow the 118 to live in Pristina. Something must be done.

Was FR Yugoslavia a member of the UN in 1999? No it wasn't, therefore UNSC approval wasn't required to take action against a state outside of the UN which was committing War Crimes. Ukraine however is a UN member and isn't committing war crimes. Big difference!

...They know damn well that there was zero, I repeat, ZERO, ethnic cleansing by Serbians in Kosovo...
@Dragan,

Whatever you are smoking,I advice you to stop imediately, because it causes brain demages.

@ mirel from Albania ..the whole world knows there was no ethnic cleansing only albanians don't know

What international law did Serbia of Miloshevic refer to when conducting ethnic cleansing in the Balcans....?

@Ian UK

Ianaj Ukiri LOL another albanian troll....

btw, yes Yugoslavia was a member of UN and a pretty respected one, till the west managed to destroy her.

I think it's time we roll the Serbian, Greek, Russian Tanks down to Kosovo and reclaim and clean up the Albanian Drug Lord Terror mess the Americans and Nato let flourish! Time for change.

@ mirel from Albania ..the whole world knows there was no ethnic cleansing only albanians don't know
(Grobar1, 11 March 2014 15:47)

Few years ago serbs like you believed that Sebrenica massacre was fiction of Hollywood, until Serbian gonverment and parliament said otherwise.

Apperantely,you are living in Ruso-Serbia planet,not on the planet called the Earth.

The outgoing prime minister and leader of the SPS party also said on Tuesday said Gerhard Schroeder's statement, made recently in the context of the Ukraine crisis, "has no legal significance for Serbia, except that it confirms what Serbia always said - that the (1999) bombing was aggression rather than a peacekeeping intervention."

No, Mr. Dacic, your conclusion is totally wrong. Schroeder only said that the intervention wasn't covered by international law, it doesn't confirm anything you said! You know it well that it was an intervention to protect an ethnic minority against the YU aggression, murdering and expulsion.

Russia claims similar things now, to 'intervene' to protect the Russian minority - though, in this case, unlike in YU, no aggression against Russians happened so far.

Serbia, except that it confirms what Serbia always said - that the (1999) bombing was aggression rather than a peacekeeping intervention.
That is not what was said, it was not sanctioned by the UNSC therefore "some" believe it was technically illegal.
It is not some vindication for the crimes Serbia committed, the west an NATO has always acknowledged that it was not sanctioned by the UNSC but was a MORAL obligation to intervene. Numerous attempts were tried to do it peacefully but when the violence continues and people are murdered daily there has to be a time limit.
No where did Schroder say it was not justified, but true it means nothing legally for Serbia, there will never be any monetary damages awarded to Serbia for the damage necessary to stop their crusade of violence.

Serbia's former Milosevic mouthpiece Dacic conveniently and seletively remembers Serbia somehow being "victimized" by the entire world but..........

When Serbia illegaly deported over a million former Yugoslav Citizens in Kosova...

When Serbia murdered over 12,000 unarmed civilians in Kosova during aggression #4 1998/99 according Belgrade's Director of Human Rights Kandic .......confirmed.

When atrocity after atrocity. Dozens of ceasefires habitualy violated.

When Serbia embarked on a policy of total death and destruction.

When Serbia commited mass rapes,arson,looting......

When Serbia was charged with OPERATING a CRIMINAL ENTERPRISE (REGIME)

WAS ALL THIS "CARRIED OUT WITH UN SECURITY COUNCIL AUTHORIZATION"?????

WAS THIS NOT "OUTSIDE INTERNATIONAL LAW"????

Dacic............selective memory indeed.

Serbs can fool some people so many times before there is a conflict with reality.

True, but in other countries, these 'anti-terrorist squads' would act according to the law, arrest individuals, but wouldn't burn down whole villages as 'revenge' because a suspect coma from this village, kill whole families including kids and elderly people, and of course, other states wouldn't send paramilitary groups to do this job.
(Comm. Parrisson, 11 March 2014 18:05)

What an unbelievably weak and illogical argument. So let me get this straight, when the US is the victim of terrorism, they are allowed to go halfway around the world, bomb countless countries, send in cruise missiles, shock and awe, wipe out entire families with drones, set up a prison in Guantanamo, torture prisoners (and take pictures), occupy foreign countries with no end in sight...etc. And yet Serbia is not allowed, according to the neocon war criminals running that declining empire, to even put down disgusting organ statching terrorist church burners and cop killers within their own borders without permission from these idiots?? Get a grip, your grasp on reality is completely warped due to heavy brainwashing. We Serbs are not your sheep like all our neighbours, so stuff it. You're not talking to your lapdogs, but to free and independent people who have a brain.
Cheers!!

Azir,
Helsingborg's numbers are much closer then yours.
Captain Kosova, a song?!!! Really?
Ian, UK.
"...o take action against a state outside of the UN which was committing War Crimes."

Was it really? Joseph Goebbels, Nazi minister of propaganda said : "Repeat lie 1000 times and it becomes truth."

Let's use BRITISH Parliamentary Committee Report

http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm199900/cmselect/cmfaff/28/2802.htm

Start of hostilities...

"25. The KLA first publicly announced itself in February 1996 by launching an attack in northern Kosovo on Krajina Serb refugees. There followed several more attacks upon Serb police and civilians."

In Feb 1996 KLA threw hand grenades through the windows of a motel used to house refugees from Krajina - 8 women and children died!
They continued campaign of terror by shooting policemen, killing Serb civilians and Albanian civilians loyal to Serbia.
Basically, you are suggesting that Russian-speaking population of Ukraine should first start killing Ukrainian-speaking women and children, Ukrainian police and civilians, as well as Russian-speakers loyal to Ukraine to provoke some kind of response from Kiev. Only then Russia could intervine, bomb hospitals, TV stations they don't like, etc. Then it would be fine.
From above report "..around 2,000 casualties prior to bombing, 1,200 being Albanians, with considerable number of Albanian civilians being kidnapped and killed by KLA."
Who did crimes, Ian?

If you want a historical perspective. Just take a look at this video which was cobbled together by world class historians. Its all the information one needs.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xu8Iotgll8A

"Everyone will bring up the question of Kosovo, because when principles are violated once, as in the example of Kosovo, why not violate them again when it comes to some other examples," Dačić said.

-- The world could not just sit and watch Serbia kill people by the thousands just because a law supposedly, or arguably made it possible for Serbia to kill without any consequences and hide behind it. They made that mistake in Bosnia once and they were wrong for allowing a law to give freedom and immunity to Serb criminals and mass murderers to do anything they wanted. This mistake was not to be repeated again. Principles are made by men and men sometimes are unable to foresee that monsters such as Milosevic, Seselj, Mladic, Karadjic etc. may use such principles to comitt the most heinous of crimes and hide themselves from punishments behind these principles. There are times, when people are being killed by the thousands where protection of thousands of human lifes trumps any principle or law. Kosova was such a case. One could not let Serbia repeat what they had done in Bosnia, simply because your thugs found a technicality they could hide behind, and escape justice and punishment. This also why Crimea and Kosova are not the same. If they want to be independent; let them work on it, but they can't use Kosova as an excuse. They are not being persecuted, killed or ethnically cleansed.

I always try to provoke someone here into independent thinking.
Ian, UK, here is assignment for you to explain to me - was FRY UN member or not?
At dissolution of Yugoslavia, seat is kept with explanation:

" General Assembly of resolution 47/1

...Federal Republic of Yugoslavia (Serbia and Montenegro) cannot automatically continue the membership of the former Socialist Federal Republic of Yugoslavia in the United Nations and that the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia (Serbia and Montenegro) shall not participate in the work of the General Assembly, its subsidiary organs, nor conferences and meetings convened by it.
On the other hand, the resolution neither terminates nor suspends Yugoslavia's membership in the Organization. Consequently, the seat and nameplate remain as before. Yugoslav missions at United Nations Headquarters and offices may continue to function and may receive and circulate documents..."

So, "it does not terminates nor suspends membership" but without participation. This was called "empty seat" policy.
When FRY tried to sue several NATO countries it was rejected on ground that it wasn't UN member.

http://www.euractiv.com/enlargement/icj-dismisses-belgrade-genocide-news-212995

When Serbia tried to use same argument against Bosnian legal suit, SAME COURT (ICJ) decided that FRY WAS UN member.

Ian, explain please. Was it or wasn't it? Or whatever is convenient?

"The truth is, when you murder policemen and mailmen, poison cattle owned by Serbian farmers, desecrate centuries old Serbian churches, continue a never ending terrorism, eventually any state says enough is enough and sends in the anti-terrorist squads to maintain order. Any country would do this..."
(Dragan, 11 March 2014 15:06)

True, but in other countries, these 'anti-terrorist squads' would act according to the law, arrest individuals, but wouldn't burn down whole villages as 'revenge' because a suspect coma from this village, kill whole families including kids and elderly people, and of course, other states wouldn't send paramilitary groups to do this job.

True, but in other countries, these 'anti-terrorist squads' would act according to the law, arrest individuals, but wouldn't burn down whole villages as 'revenge' because a suspect coma from this village, kill whole families including kids and elderly people, and of course, other states wouldn't send paramilitary groups to do this job.
(Comm. Parrisson, 11 March 2014 18:05)
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You still don't get it? There was no burning of villages or killing kids or elderly until *after* NATO started the war and there wouldn't have been a humanitarian catastrophy if NATO didn't illegally attack Serbia or meddled in the destruction of Yugoslavia. People were killed on all sides, families, children and so on. It was only the Serbs who were permanently ethnically cleansed on a massive scale.

It is absolutely amazing how these NATO lovers justify their crimes and attempt to revise well documented history.

Sreten

Don’t worry coz Russia will make them reap the harvest they have sawn in KiM. Besides we are ready to pay much higher price for Ukraine than the west expects us to do. Just like during WW2. You do know that Crimea is already ours thus we mean the remaining 12 Russian regions. 6 western ones last 500 years lived separate from Russia and left their Russian spirit. I’d like Poland to be damned to have them back. it would be a good price for the years of undermining job they conducted against us.

PS See your e-mail for the contacts you asked.

The average Serb is like Ahmadinajad. They, like him, claim everyone else is wrong and a certain group of people was not killed, persecuted, maimed, etc.Even though there is an international court that has punished the Serbs just like they did with the NAZIS for their heinous crimes. The world was too kind to them. Like in Germany they should have forced the average Serb to burry our victims. The Serb society is afflicted by a wide belief of conspiracy theories and when combined with their belief that they are somehow special as a people, this leads to mass delusions. We see it in this board where you have the average Serb shamelessly trying to convince us that the Serb paramilitary who killed our uncle was Albanian. Or that the guys on top of tanks with guns pointed at us did not wake us up in the middle of the night, steal the little money we had, forced us out of our homes, and pushed us through the mountains under the threat of certain death. The average Serb is on this board is trying to convince us that this did not happen. As if at midnight in the middle of the winter we had this sudden urge to walk barefoot through snowy mountains with no food and no means of survival. Not only that but a million of us got this urge at the same time. Yet none of our Serb neighbors got the same urge. Strange isn't it? This is the mass hysteria and delusion afflicting and propagating within the Serb society. It soothes their national conscience. They allowed these crimes to happen.

Cheers!!
(Dragan, 11 March 2014 15:06
No one in the world but Serbs deny the ethnic cleansing campaign, even Russia supported all resolutions to stop the Milosevic regime.

No, Mr. Dacic, your conclusion is totally wrong. Schroeder only said that the intervention wasn't covered by international law, it doesn't confirm anything you said! You know it well that it was an intervention to protect an ethnic minority against the YU aggression, murdering and expulsion.
(Comm. Parrisson, 11 March 2014 14:58)
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There was no YU aggression, murdering or expulsion of innocent civilians to justify NATO's attack. Your argument falls flat on its face. OSCE reports of the time state that the KLA were conducting terrorist activities. Serbian forces were cracking down on terrorism and all KiM Albanians were still at home.

It was not until *after* NATO started bombing that the humanitarian catastrophy started. The spin and lies coming from these NATO lovers is unbelievable.

was FRY UN member or not?
(Sreten, 11 March 2014 19:38)

Well, according to the UN http://daccess-ods.un.org/access.nsf/Get?Open&DS=A/RES/55/12&Lang=E&Area=UNDOC before 1 Nov 2000 it wasn't. After 1 Nov 2000 it was

Interesting reading...this British report...
So, if 800 victims were Serbs (presumably killed by KLA), and out of 1200 Albanians "considerable number of Albanian civilians being kidnapped and killed by KLA" ( 200? 300? Anybody's guess...) it turns out most casualties and most civilian casualties were killed by KLA.
Now to chapter "Was military intervention legal?"

" Professor Lowe puts it as follows: "the analysis of the text of the UN Charter...yields no clear justification for the NATO action. On the contrary, it suggests that the action was unlawful."[320]"

" Professor Reisman, wrote that Operation Allied Force "did not accord with the design of the UN Charter."[323] "

For intervention, or against it, they seem to agree on one thing:

"Legal authorities, ranging from Professor Brownlie, the sternest critic of the legality of NATO action, to Professor Greenwood, the firmest supporter of legality, agree that the provisions of the UN Charter were thus not complied with. "

I don't know who all these nice professors are, but I assume that they are big British lawyers.
Yet, after reading your comment Ian, I was under impression that it was all legal according to UN.

Also, interesting reading in a chapter "Was the campaign conducted lawfully?"

Ian, explain please. Was it or wasn't it? Or whatever is convenient?
(Sreten, 11 March 2014 19:38)

No, FR Yugoslavia was not a UN member until November 2000. FR Yugoslavia did not continue SFR Yugoslavia's seat at the UN because it wasn't the sole successor state, even though it tried/ wanted to be.

"Few years ago serbs like you believed that Sebrenica massacre was fiction of Hollywood, until Serbian gonverment and parliament said otherwise. "
(Mirel from Albania, 11 March 2014 16:58)

No, Serbs like him still believe it was either fiction or the Serbian heroes under the glorious Mladic only killed 'fighters' (from age 13 to age seventy-something). Well, usually, fighters are killed in fights and are not deported in 1000s in buses and executed in the forests, but this might be Serbian habits.

You still don't get it? There was no burning of villages or killing kids or elderly until *after* NATO started the war and there wouldn't have been a humanitarian catastrophy if NATO didn't illegally attack Serbia
(Zoran, 11 March 2014 23:56)

Dear, I guess we and many others and international courts are not getting it because, for example, there was no burning of villages or killing kids or elderly until *after* I had dinner on 23 March 1999. So, according to your logic, there wouldn't have been a humanitarian catastrophe if I didn't have dinner on 23 March 1999.

My advice: please check an English dictionary to understand the difference between correlation and causation and you'll finally get it :)

think it's time we roll the Serbian, Greek, Russian Tanks down to Kosovo and reclaim and clean up the Albanian Drug Lord Terror mess the Americans and Nato let flourish! Time for change.
(Mason from Australia, 11 March 2014 21:30)
ITS A OLD SAY money talks B..S walks so since i think you are "tough" guy its very simple aeroplanes they land in Prishtina airport from Australia via Germany, Austria,Swiss etc and when you rich down there speak LOUDER time for a change we want back Kosovo in to Serbia and hopefully you will find the Wright ANSWER.. ...

aggression against aggression.
You started first.
Now live with it.

Serbs claim NATO coming to rescue victims of Greater Serbia were somehow "victims of NATO".

Strange............

Victims in Slovenia,Croatia,Bosnia and Kosova don't agree with this nonsense.

The Hague is permanent home to majority Serb "victims of NATO"

And I suppose all the jails are full of criminals that are victims of the Police"......

You still don't get it? There was no burning of villages or killing kids or elderly until *after* NATO started the war and there wouldn't have been a humanitarian catastrophy if NATO didn't illegally attack Serbia
(Zoran, 11 March 2014 23:56)
If I get your post right you are saying Serbs did not burn villages and kill children and elderly until after NATO attacked. Assuming you are right which is not the case but lets play your game.
So you are attacked by soldiers and your reaction is to run out and randomly kill as many children and elderly as possible?
A very heroic stance. The only thing that your statement proves is that you had to be stopped, but more to the point your surrender was accepted way too early. The "devil made me do it" as never been an acceptable defense.

Sreten in your "was it or was it not" with regards to Yugoslavia........

In America an illegal alien can not vote but if he commits a crime he can be prosecuted.

I know.........Typical Serb mentality is............'well if he is illegal than you can't prosecute him for any crimes he has commited.'

SERBS ARE WRONG ONCE AGAIN.

Quite possibly NATO intervention was not legal in a technical sense although necessary in a moral sense. However, they currenly have a mandate from the UNSC to act should Serbia decide to repeat history.

ZORAN;DRAGAN,
NATO did not intended to interfere in Yugoslavia, as evident in its hesitation to interfere in Croatia and Bosnia. The events there changed NATO's perspective. In Kosovo they were trying to avoid another Srebrenica, and the political backlash from the public opinion such a repeat would have brough. The ethnic cleansing in Kosovo just legitimized NATO's intervention. It's irrelevant when that happened , before or after NATO's actions (we could beat this to death). Self-victimisation of yourself into oblivion does not change the facts. Another fact is that Yugoslavia(with Serbia major part of it) was a Western darling for a long time. In fact most those industries and infrastructure projects still existent in Serbia, were subsidized with billions of dollars debt from the West. The vast majority of it's already forgiven. Hell, they are even trying to make you a EU member. Time to look at yourself in the mirror. Your government actions brought the attacks on Serbia. Nobody hates Serbs, although many are disgusted with what happened during the Yougoslav conflicts.

Was FR Yugoslavia a member of the UN in 1999? No it wasn't, therefore UNSC approval wasn't required to take action against a state outside of the UN which was committing War Crimes. Ukraine however is a UN member and isn't committing war crimes. Big difference!

What international law did Serbia of Miloshevic refer to when conducting ethnic cleansing in the Balcans....?

...They know damn well that there was zero, I repeat, ZERO, ethnic cleansing by Serbians in Kosovo...
@Dragan,

Whatever you are smoking,I advice you to stop imediately, because it causes brain demages.

Serbia's former Milosevic mouthpiece Dacic conveniently and seletively remembers Serbia somehow being "victimized" by the entire world but..........

When Serbia illegaly deported over a million former Yugoslav Citizens in Kosova...

When Serbia murdered over 12,000 unarmed civilians in Kosova during aggression #4 1998/99 according Belgrade's Director of Human Rights Kandic .......confirmed.

When atrocity after atrocity. Dozens of ceasefires habitualy violated.

When Serbia embarked on a policy of total death and destruction.

When Serbia commited mass rapes,arson,looting......

When Serbia was charged with OPERATING a CRIMINAL ENTERPRISE (REGIME)

WAS ALL THIS "CARRIED OUT WITH UN SECURITY COUNCIL AUTHORIZATION"?????

WAS THIS NOT "OUTSIDE INTERNATIONAL LAW"????

Dacic............selective memory indeed.

Serbs can fool some people so many times before there is a conflict with reality.

Serbia, except that it confirms what Serbia always said - that the (1999) bombing was aggression rather than a peacekeeping intervention.
That is not what was said, it was not sanctioned by the UNSC therefore "some" believe it was technically illegal.
It is not some vindication for the crimes Serbia committed, the west an NATO has always acknowledged that it was not sanctioned by the UNSC but was a MORAL obligation to intervene. Numerous attempts were tried to do it peacefully but when the violence continues and people are murdered daily there has to be a time limit.
No where did Schroder say it was not justified, but true it means nothing legally for Serbia, there will never be any monetary damages awarded to Serbia for the damage necessary to stop their crusade of violence.

If you want a historical perspective. Just take a look at this video which was cobbled together by world class historians. Its all the information one needs.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xu8Iotgll8A

The outgoing prime minister and leader of the SPS party also said on Tuesday said Gerhard Schroeder's statement, made recently in the context of the Ukraine crisis, "has no legal significance for Serbia, except that it confirms what Serbia always said - that the (1999) bombing was aggression rather than a peacekeeping intervention."

No, Mr. Dacic, your conclusion is totally wrong. Schroeder only said that the intervention wasn't covered by international law, it doesn't confirm anything you said! You know it well that it was an intervention to protect an ethnic minority against the YU aggression, murdering and expulsion.

Russia claims similar things now, to 'intervene' to protect the Russian minority - though, in this case, unlike in YU, no aggression against Russians happened so far.

@ mirel from Albania ..the whole world knows there was no ethnic cleansing only albanians don't know
(Grobar1, 11 March 2014 15:47)

Few years ago serbs like you believed that Sebrenica massacre was fiction of Hollywood, until Serbian gonverment and parliament said otherwise.

Apperantely,you are living in Ruso-Serbia planet,not on the planet called the Earth.

Typical unintelligible drivel and claptrap from the albo trolls that pollute this site daily. They know damn well that there was zero, I repeat, ZERO, ethnic cleansing by Serbians in Kosovo prior to the illegal bombing by NATO war criminals. There were, however, decades of ethnic cleansing by the albanians against the indigenous Serbs, and plenty of documentation to support this. The truth is, when you murder policemen and mailmen, poison cattle owned by Serbian farmers, desecrate centuries old Serbian churches, continue a never ending terrorism, eventually any state says enough is enough and sends in the anti-terrorist squads to maintain order. Any country would do this, but according to war criminal Albright, Serbia was not allowed to defend herself from KLA terrorism. The NATO war criminals' double standards are in wide open display right now for everyone to see, yet these shameless scoundrels and their complicit bubble headed media keep telling us that Crimeans don't deserve the right to self determination while their terrorist, neo-nazi, and jihadist friends around the world do. In the words of Charlie Sheen, Russia is 'winning!'. Keep it up, and ignore the war criminals, right is on your side.
Cheers!!

@Ian UK

Ianaj Ukiri LOL another albanian troll....

btw, yes Yugoslavia was a member of UN and a pretty respected one, till the west managed to destroy her.

message to the internet anti-serb trolls:

Go get a real job!

@ mirel from Albania ..the whole world knows there was no ethnic cleansing only albanians don't know

So it is the albanians who have been cleansed? Incredibly poor job by the Serbs as the Albanian ppoulation of Kosovo has skyrocketed. 7-8000 casualties of that war, 37% of them Serbs with 10% of the population. Those Serbs are the worst ethnic cleansers on the planet! They should be tried for being so terrible at it. And look at Kosovo today. In Pristina, pre war Serb population was 42000, today 118. How can we allow the 118 to live in Pristina. Something must be done.

Cheers!!
(Dragan, 11 March 2014 15:06
No one in the world but Serbs deny the ethnic cleansing campaign, even Russia supported all resolutions to stop the Milosevic regime.

I think it's time we roll the Serbian, Greek, Russian Tanks down to Kosovo and reclaim and clean up the Albanian Drug Lord Terror mess the Americans and Nato let flourish! Time for change.

Azir,
Helsingborg's numbers are much closer then yours.
Captain Kosova, a song?!!! Really?
Ian, UK.
"...o take action against a state outside of the UN which was committing War Crimes."

Was it really? Joseph Goebbels, Nazi minister of propaganda said : "Repeat lie 1000 times and it becomes truth."

Let's use BRITISH Parliamentary Committee Report

http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm199900/cmselect/cmfaff/28/2802.htm

Start of hostilities...

"25. The KLA first publicly announced itself in February 1996 by launching an attack in northern Kosovo on Krajina Serb refugees. There followed several more attacks upon Serb police and civilians."

In Feb 1996 KLA threw hand grenades through the windows of a motel used to house refugees from Krajina - 8 women and children died!
They continued campaign of terror by shooting policemen, killing Serb civilians and Albanian civilians loyal to Serbia.
Basically, you are suggesting that Russian-speaking population of Ukraine should first start killing Ukrainian-speaking women and children, Ukrainian police and civilians, as well as Russian-speakers loyal to Ukraine to provoke some kind of response from Kiev. Only then Russia could intervine, bomb hospitals, TV stations they don't like, etc. Then it would be fine.
From above report "..around 2,000 casualties prior to bombing, 1,200 being Albanians, with considerable number of Albanian civilians being kidnapped and killed by KLA."
Who did crimes, Ian?

"Few years ago serbs like you believed that Sebrenica massacre was fiction of Hollywood, until Serbian gonverment and parliament said otherwise. "
(Mirel from Albania, 11 March 2014 16:58)

No, Serbs like him still believe it was either fiction or the Serbian heroes under the glorious Mladic only killed 'fighters' (from age 13 to age seventy-something). Well, usually, fighters are killed in fights and are not deported in 1000s in buses and executed in the forests, but this might be Serbian habits.

"The truth is, when you murder policemen and mailmen, poison cattle owned by Serbian farmers, desecrate centuries old Serbian churches, continue a never ending terrorism, eventually any state says enough is enough and sends in the anti-terrorist squads to maintain order. Any country would do this..."
(Dragan, 11 March 2014 15:06)

True, but in other countries, these 'anti-terrorist squads' would act according to the law, arrest individuals, but wouldn't burn down whole villages as 'revenge' because a suspect coma from this village, kill whole families including kids and elderly people, and of course, other states wouldn't send paramilitary groups to do this job.

"Everyone will bring up the question of Kosovo, because when principles are violated once, as in the example of Kosovo, why not violate them again when it comes to some other examples," Dačić said.

-- The world could not just sit and watch Serbia kill people by the thousands just because a law supposedly, or arguably made it possible for Serbia to kill without any consequences and hide behind it. They made that mistake in Bosnia once and they were wrong for allowing a law to give freedom and immunity to Serb criminals and mass murderers to do anything they wanted. This mistake was not to be repeated again. Principles are made by men and men sometimes are unable to foresee that monsters such as Milosevic, Seselj, Mladic, Karadjic etc. may use such principles to comitt the most heinous of crimes and hide themselves from punishments behind these principles. There are times, when people are being killed by the thousands where protection of thousands of human lifes trumps any principle or law. Kosova was such a case. One could not let Serbia repeat what they had done in Bosnia, simply because your thugs found a technicality they could hide behind, and escape justice and punishment. This also why Crimea and Kosova are not the same. If they want to be independent; let them work on it, but they can't use Kosova as an excuse. They are not being persecuted, killed or ethnically cleansed.

No, Mr. Dacic, your conclusion is totally wrong. Schroeder only said that the intervention wasn't covered by international law, it doesn't confirm anything you said! You know it well that it was an intervention to protect an ethnic minority against the YU aggression, murdering and expulsion.
(Comm. Parrisson, 11 March 2014 14:58)
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There was no YU aggression, murdering or expulsion of innocent civilians to justify NATO's attack. Your argument falls flat on its face. OSCE reports of the time state that the KLA were conducting terrorist activities. Serbian forces were cracking down on terrorism and all KiM Albanians were still at home.

It was not until *after* NATO started bombing that the humanitarian catastrophy started. The spin and lies coming from these NATO lovers is unbelievable.

True, but in other countries, these 'anti-terrorist squads' would act according to the law, arrest individuals, but wouldn't burn down whole villages as 'revenge' because a suspect coma from this village, kill whole families including kids and elderly people, and of course, other states wouldn't send paramilitary groups to do this job.
(Comm. Parrisson, 11 March 2014 18:05)
--
You still don't get it? There was no burning of villages or killing kids or elderly until *after* NATO started the war and there wouldn't have been a humanitarian catastrophy if NATO didn't illegally attack Serbia or meddled in the destruction of Yugoslavia. People were killed on all sides, families, children and so on. It was only the Serbs who were permanently ethnically cleansed on a massive scale.

It is absolutely amazing how these NATO lovers justify their crimes and attempt to revise well documented history.

Ian, explain please. Was it or wasn't it? Or whatever is convenient?
(Sreten, 11 March 2014 19:38)

No, FR Yugoslavia was not a UN member until November 2000. FR Yugoslavia did not continue SFR Yugoslavia's seat at the UN because it wasn't the sole successor state, even though it tried/ wanted to be.

Sreten in your "was it or was it not" with regards to Yugoslavia........

In America an illegal alien can not vote but if he commits a crime he can be prosecuted.

I know.........Typical Serb mentality is............'well if he is illegal than you can't prosecute him for any crimes he has commited.'

SERBS ARE WRONG ONCE AGAIN.

The average Serb is like Ahmadinajad. They, like him, claim everyone else is wrong and a certain group of people was not killed, persecuted, maimed, etc.Even though there is an international court that has punished the Serbs just like they did with the NAZIS for their heinous crimes. The world was too kind to them. Like in Germany they should have forced the average Serb to burry our victims. The Serb society is afflicted by a wide belief of conspiracy theories and when combined with their belief that they are somehow special as a people, this leads to mass delusions. We see it in this board where you have the average Serb shamelessly trying to convince us that the Serb paramilitary who killed our uncle was Albanian. Or that the guys on top of tanks with guns pointed at us did not wake us up in the middle of the night, steal the little money we had, forced us out of our homes, and pushed us through the mountains under the threat of certain death. The average Serb is on this board is trying to convince us that this did not happen. As if at midnight in the middle of the winter we had this sudden urge to walk barefoot through snowy mountains with no food and no means of survival. Not only that but a million of us got this urge at the same time. Yet none of our Serb neighbors got the same urge. Strange isn't it? This is the mass hysteria and delusion afflicting and propagating within the Serb society. It soothes their national conscience. They allowed these crimes to happen.

True, but in other countries, these 'anti-terrorist squads' would act according to the law, arrest individuals, but wouldn't burn down whole villages as 'revenge' because a suspect coma from this village, kill whole families including kids and elderly people, and of course, other states wouldn't send paramilitary groups to do this job.
(Comm. Parrisson, 11 March 2014 18:05)

What an unbelievably weak and illogical argument. So let me get this straight, when the US is the victim of terrorism, they are allowed to go halfway around the world, bomb countless countries, send in cruise missiles, shock and awe, wipe out entire families with drones, set up a prison in Guantanamo, torture prisoners (and take pictures), occupy foreign countries with no end in sight...etc. And yet Serbia is not allowed, according to the neocon war criminals running that declining empire, to even put down disgusting organ statching terrorist church burners and cop killers within their own borders without permission from these idiots?? Get a grip, your grasp on reality is completely warped due to heavy brainwashing. We Serbs are not your sheep like all our neighbours, so stuff it. You're not talking to your lapdogs, but to free and independent people who have a brain.
Cheers!!

Sreten

Don’t worry coz Russia will make them reap the harvest they have sawn in KiM. Besides we are ready to pay much higher price for Ukraine than the west expects us to do. Just like during WW2. You do know that Crimea is already ours thus we mean the remaining 12 Russian regions. 6 western ones last 500 years lived separate from Russia and left their Russian spirit. I’d like Poland to be damned to have them back. it would be a good price for the years of undermining job they conducted against us.

PS See your e-mail for the contacts you asked.

Interesting reading...this British report...
So, if 800 victims were Serbs (presumably killed by KLA), and out of 1200 Albanians "considerable number of Albanian civilians being kidnapped and killed by KLA" ( 200? 300? Anybody's guess...) it turns out most casualties and most civilian casualties were killed by KLA.
Now to chapter "Was military intervention legal?"

" Professor Lowe puts it as follows: "the analysis of the text of the UN Charter...yields no clear justification for the NATO action. On the contrary, it suggests that the action was unlawful."[320]"

" Professor Reisman, wrote that Operation Allied Force "did not accord with the design of the UN Charter."[323] "

For intervention, or against it, they seem to agree on one thing:

"Legal authorities, ranging from Professor Brownlie, the sternest critic of the legality of NATO action, to Professor Greenwood, the firmest supporter of legality, agree that the provisions of the UN Charter were thus not complied with. "

I don't know who all these nice professors are, but I assume that they are big British lawyers.
Yet, after reading your comment Ian, I was under impression that it was all legal according to UN.

Also, interesting reading in a chapter "Was the campaign conducted lawfully?"

think it's time we roll the Serbian, Greek, Russian Tanks down to Kosovo and reclaim and clean up the Albanian Drug Lord Terror mess the Americans and Nato let flourish! Time for change.
(Mason from Australia, 11 March 2014 21:30)
ITS A OLD SAY money talks B..S walks so since i think you are "tough" guy its very simple aeroplanes they land in Prishtina airport from Australia via Germany, Austria,Swiss etc and when you rich down there speak LOUDER time for a change we want back Kosovo in to Serbia and hopefully you will find the Wright ANSWER.. ...

Serbs claim NATO coming to rescue victims of Greater Serbia were somehow "victims of NATO".

Strange............

Victims in Slovenia,Croatia,Bosnia and Kosova don't agree with this nonsense.

The Hague is permanent home to majority Serb "victims of NATO"

And I suppose all the jails are full of criminals that are victims of the Police"......

I always try to provoke someone here into independent thinking.
Ian, UK, here is assignment for you to explain to me - was FRY UN member or not?
At dissolution of Yugoslavia, seat is kept with explanation:

" General Assembly of resolution 47/1

...Federal Republic of Yugoslavia (Serbia and Montenegro) cannot automatically continue the membership of the former Socialist Federal Republic of Yugoslavia in the United Nations and that the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia (Serbia and Montenegro) shall not participate in the work of the General Assembly, its subsidiary organs, nor conferences and meetings convened by it.
On the other hand, the resolution neither terminates nor suspends Yugoslavia's membership in the Organization. Consequently, the seat and nameplate remain as before. Yugoslav missions at United Nations Headquarters and offices may continue to function and may receive and circulate documents..."

So, "it does not terminates nor suspends membership" but without participation. This was called "empty seat" policy.
When FRY tried to sue several NATO countries it was rejected on ground that it wasn't UN member.

http://www.euractiv.com/enlargement/icj-dismisses-belgrade-genocide-news-212995

When Serbia tried to use same argument against Bosnian legal suit, SAME COURT (ICJ) decided that FRY WAS UN member.

Ian, explain please. Was it or wasn't it? Or whatever is convenient?

was FRY UN member or not?
(Sreten, 11 March 2014 19:38)

Well, according to the UN http://daccess-ods.un.org/access.nsf/Get?Open&DS=A/RES/55/12&Lang=E&Area=UNDOC before 1 Nov 2000 it wasn't. After 1 Nov 2000 it was

aggression against aggression.
You started first.
Now live with it.

Quite possibly NATO intervention was not legal in a technical sense although necessary in a moral sense. However, they currenly have a mandate from the UNSC to act should Serbia decide to repeat history.

You still don't get it? There was no burning of villages or killing kids or elderly until *after* NATO started the war and there wouldn't have been a humanitarian catastrophy if NATO didn't illegally attack Serbia
(Zoran, 11 March 2014 23:56)

Dear, I guess we and many others and international courts are not getting it because, for example, there was no burning of villages or killing kids or elderly until *after* I had dinner on 23 March 1999. So, according to your logic, there wouldn't have been a humanitarian catastrophe if I didn't have dinner on 23 March 1999.

My advice: please check an English dictionary to understand the difference between correlation and causation and you'll finally get it :)

You still don't get it? There was no burning of villages or killing kids or elderly until *after* NATO started the war and there wouldn't have been a humanitarian catastrophy if NATO didn't illegally attack Serbia
(Zoran, 11 March 2014 23:56)
If I get your post right you are saying Serbs did not burn villages and kill children and elderly until after NATO attacked. Assuming you are right which is not the case but lets play your game.
So you are attacked by soldiers and your reaction is to run out and randomly kill as many children and elderly as possible?
A very heroic stance. The only thing that your statement proves is that you had to be stopped, but more to the point your surrender was accepted way too early. The "devil made me do it" as never been an acceptable defense.

ZORAN;DRAGAN,
NATO did not intended to interfere in Yugoslavia, as evident in its hesitation to interfere in Croatia and Bosnia. The events there changed NATO's perspective. In Kosovo they were trying to avoid another Srebrenica, and the political backlash from the public opinion such a repeat would have brough. The ethnic cleansing in Kosovo just legitimized NATO's intervention. It's irrelevant when that happened , before or after NATO's actions (we could beat this to death). Self-victimisation of yourself into oblivion does not change the facts. Another fact is that Yugoslavia(with Serbia major part of it) was a Western darling for a long time. In fact most those industries and infrastructure projects still existent in Serbia, were subsidized with billions of dollars debt from the West. The vast majority of it's already forgiven. Hell, they are even trying to make you a EU member. Time to look at yourself in the mirror. Your government actions brought the attacks on Serbia. Nobody hates Serbs, although many are disgusted with what happened during the Yougoslav conflicts.