"NATO does not decide on Kosovo army"

This has been coming for some time now. The US and other NATO countries have already helped train the Kosovo Security Force and will continue to help train the Kosovo Armed Forces. Kosovar Pilots have already begun training in Turkey for example. Next on the Agenda will be NATO membership for Kosovo.

Kosovo decides on its own....let me repeated one more time so the brainwashed people can understand the facts ..Kosovo government decide on its own.

"According to the Ahtisaari plan, which Priština had accepted, members of this unit are only allowed to carry light firearms. "

LOL, Serbia did not sign the Ahtisaari plan, so it became null and void and Kosovo is not bound by it.

Exacly, only the people of Kosova do!

eric..ian..u brainwashed albos... kosovo decides nothing on its own. dont embarass yourself, never has, never will. its a drug run territory.. thats it. it follows orders thats it.

NATO "supports the Kosovo Security Force (KSF) in its present format, which does not envisage its use as a combat unit"

Which can only mean: Should Kosovo unilaterally decide to violate the Ahtissari plan and UN1244 (which says only KFOR forces are allowed on the territory of Kosovo), KFOR should immediately stop to cooperate, finance and train these forces.
(Comm. Parrisson, 28 February 2014 14:57)

C.P.
it is none of your concern if Kosova has its own military or becomes part of Nato. As long as Serbia stays on her side of the border, you have nothing to fear. Or, is it because there will be a level playing field that has you shaking in your boots. Btw, Serbia never agreed to the Ahtissari plan, therefore, has no say in the matter.

Kosovo government decide on its own.
(Eric, 28 February 2014 14:21)

LOL The Kosovo government has never decided anything on its own. This is nothing more than trumped up rhetoric for elections. We've heard it before and we'll hear it again come next election cycle :)

The international community should not allow any jumping from the Ahtisaari plan, because it is the only document signed by all parties concerned, and shall not be any change. The establishment of a Kosovo army would be a gross violation of international agreements.
(Isidor, 28 February 2014 16:52)

Sorry sweetheart😘
If I remember clearly, your radical leadership in Serbia refused to sign the internationally drafted Ahtisaari agreement! Your Serbia's loss!!! Know we get closer to having the opportunity of both of our country's armed forces looking at each other eye to eye!!! Don't wink to much now, you may never open them again? It's going to be like a bolt of lighting from the heavens, when the time comes to strike!

NATO "supports the Kosovo Security Force (KSF) in its present format, which does not envisage its use as a combat unit"

Which can only mean: Should Kosovo unilaterally decide to violate the Ahtissari plan and UN1244 (which says only KFOR forces are allowed on the territory of Kosovo), KFOR should immediately stop to cooperate, finance and train these forces.

Kosovar army blah blah blah Kosovo pilots blah blah blah, Nato blah blah blah. Right Fyrom can't get into Nato but Kosovo can lol. So who is going to pay for this golden armada?

The Albanians who think they run Kosovo are unfit to be fielding weapons of any kind. They cannot be trusted. The current official level of arms fielded by Albanians in Kosovo is pacification against those unofficial arms in the hands of other Albanians in Kosovo.

Serbia lost the war and with that has no influence. Kosova does what it chooses. Simple.

NATO hasn't anything to decide in Kosovo and Metohija.
That's UNMIK's job!
(Joachim, 28 February 2014 17:36)

Thanks... I had not seen UNMIK mentioned for some time in these forums and had started to get worried :)

Which can only mean: Should Kosovo unilaterally decide to violate the Ahtissari plan and UN1244 (which says only KFOR forces are allowed on the territory of Kosovo), KFOR should immediately stop to cooperate, finance and train these forces.
(Comm. Parrisson, 28 February 2014 14:57)
You seem like a fairly intelligent person, but you should really, really stop quoting UNSC 1244 until you read it. It states that the mandate of KFOR or the international security force is to keep Serbian or Yugoslavian forces out of Kosovo with the exception of a few for the few specific tasks listed which have nothing to do with security. And it calls on the KLA to disarm. But no where does it specify that Kosovo cannot develop its own security forces, once a new govt has been established. If I am wrong just find the passage and highlight it.

Wow Kosovo is having army of its own, every one is woried, they and they Donkey power, just backward people.

@ albo trolls hahaha what a slap in the face.

No Kosovo army just like no independence, no recognitions, no customs agents, no border...

Believe what you wish.

The international community should not allow any jumping from the Ahtisaari plan, because it is the only document signed by all parties concerned, and shall not be any change. The establishment of a Kosovo army would be a gross violation of international agreements.

Hello to all this trool serbs you peope still thinking with 19 century logic
Just remember u fight with all your neighbors so for next war its will be really difficult
No mater what Kosovo will have or will be army or security force so have in minds for next

NATO hasn't anything to decide in Kosovo and Metohija.
That's UNMIK's job!

(cry me a river, 2 March 2014 00:10)

Customs agents? Is that what you call it? More like tax collectors mate
(sj, 2 March 2014 22:33)

Ok, we can call them tax collectors. Everybody is happy is that, you included. Dispute solved :)

@ cry me a river please explain what independence? do you have seat in the UN ? let's cut that bs out you all know very well there is no independent Kosovo.just like the article says NO Army.. you albo live in denial.

The donkey brigade. ...

Comm Par,
If by chance you would have read the Ahtissarri Plan before posting you might have found something like this:
 "An NATO-led International Military Presence will provide a safe and secure environment throughout Kosovo, in conjunction with the ICR and in support of Kosovo’s institutions until such time as those institutions are capable of assuming the full-range of security responsibilities"
Which means apparently instead of violating the A Plan they are actually following it.

(Comm. Parrisson, 3 March 2014 10:23
Exactly a part of 1244 was that the Albanian groups had to demilitarize, You do not find an active KLA in Kosovo, eventhough you and your peers refer to them like they are roaming the streets daily. But I was also accurate that it does not say that they cannot form a legit army once the govt was established and as a matter of fact the A Plan says that NATO will cover security UNTIL Kosovo can establish their own security forces.
Now the reason the Kosovo Security Forces were only to have small arms is simple and not really a secret. While you and other Serbs and many Albanians are constantly fueling the ethnic hatred fire the last thing the international community wants is to create the scenario for another war. They want to establish peace and so far the Serb forces are behaving.
The development of any real army in Kosovo will be slow and like Serbia most of the equipment will be donations or used and surplus equipment from other countries. It will be quite some time before you will see jets in Kosovo, if ever.

@ cry me a river ..what army ?

@ cry me a river please explain what independence? do you have seat in the UN ?
(Grobar1, 2 March 2014 13:12)

Using that criteria, Kosovo is an independent as Serbia was pre-2000 when Serbia did not have a UN seat or as Switzerland was pre-2003. Kosovo is perfectly fine having the same independence as Switzerland pre-2003.
----------

let's cut that bs out you all know very well there is no independent Kosovo.
(Grobar1, 2 March 2014 13:12)

Well, it's independent from Serbia - nobody disputes that. Whether it's independent from any other entity, does not matter much for Kosovo.

(cry me a river, 2 March 2014 00:10)

Customs agents? Is that what you call it? More like tax collectors mate. I could walk less than 1 kilometre form those so called customs agents and walk across unhindered. There is no border as even NATO and Eleux call it an administrative line– except for the Albanians who still hang out talismans on their houses to ward off evil.
Look at Ukraine. A new master is coming to Europe and he does not take too kindly US bootlicks.

"It states that the mandate of KFOR or the international security force is to keep Serbian or Yugoslavian forces out of Kosovo with the exception of a few for the few specific tasks listed which have nothing to do with security. And it calls on the KLA to disarm. "
(a New Day, 1 March 2014 21:09)

A nice summary to be found about UN1244 is this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Security_Council_Resolution_1244#Summary

No need to mention the still unfulfilled points about the territorial integrity, about the safe and the unimpeded return of all refugees, ensuring a peaceful and normal life for all inhabitants, but about armed forces it says: "Require that the KLA and other armed Kosovo Albanian groups be demilitarized"

But of course, a self-proclaimed 'Kosova Army' are not "Armed Albanian groups" because Kosovo is oh-so multi-ethnic, right? Ever thought why KSF was allowed only to be lightly armed, like police?

Comm par,
One thing your lot seem to constantly overlook is the fact that when 1244 was written the only refugees to return were Albanian, the Serbs left Kosovo post UNSC 1244.

Customs agents? Is that what you call it? More like tax collectors mate
(sj, 2 March 2014 22:33)

Ok, we can call them tax collectors. Everybody is happy is that, you included. Dispute solved :)
(icj1, 3 March 2014 14:17)

What’s the point?
(sj, 3 March 2014 22:26)

We can ask the CE of B92 forums sj what's the point... He/she wanted to call them tax collectors, not me. But anyway, does not really matter; the Kosovars are happy; you are happy. Everybody is happy. No dispute to argue about!

P.S. CE = Chief Economist

To those that have mentioned “UNMIK” I have bought so called “Coca-Cola” Cars that were driven during the time of “UNMIK” So what I’m saying to those that quoted this mission they have long been gone and forgotten. This Country reserves the rights to have Army just like the rest of the neighboring countries in FR. Of Yugoslavia.

@ dorsej palokaj (grab a dictionary)

"KSF is a security force comprising approximately 2,500 active duty and 800 reserve member"
-
ha, really? fair enough lol

"It states that the mandate of KFOR or the international security force is to keep Serbian or Yugoslavian forces out of Kosovo with the exception of a few for the few specific tasks listed which have nothing to do with security. And it calls on the KLA to disarm. "
(a New Day, 1 March 2014 21:09)

A nice summary to be found about UN1244 is this:
[link]
(Comm. Parrisson, 3 March 2014 10:23)

Haha, it amazes me how some people would go to every source about 1244 (i.e. the Serbian version, Wikipedia summary, etc) except for 1244 itself in the original text and language, as if it's so difficult to find it :)

Ok, we can call them tax collectors. Everybody is happy is that, you included. Dispute solved :)
(icj1, 3 March 2014 14:17)

What’s the point? As I said before I can drive across into Kosovo a couple of k's from the so called crossings and not pay a cent, but I’m happy.

The international community should not allow any jumping from the Ahtisaari plan, because it is the only document signed by all parties concerned, and shall not be any change. The establishment of a Kosovo army would be a gross violation of international agreements.

eric..ian..u brainwashed albos... kosovo decides nothing on its own. dont embarass yourself, never has, never will. its a drug run territory.. thats it. it follows orders thats it.

Kosovo decides on its own....let me repeated one more time so the brainwashed people can understand the facts ..Kosovo government decide on its own.

NATO "supports the Kosovo Security Force (KSF) in its present format, which does not envisage its use as a combat unit"

Which can only mean: Should Kosovo unilaterally decide to violate the Ahtissari plan and UN1244 (which says only KFOR forces are allowed on the territory of Kosovo), KFOR should immediately stop to cooperate, finance and train these forces.

This has been coming for some time now. The US and other NATO countries have already helped train the Kosovo Security Force and will continue to help train the Kosovo Armed Forces. Kosovar Pilots have already begun training in Turkey for example. Next on the Agenda will be NATO membership for Kosovo.

Exacly, only the people of Kosova do!

Kosovo government decide on its own.
(Eric, 28 February 2014 14:21)

LOL The Kosovo government has never decided anything on its own. This is nothing more than trumped up rhetoric for elections. We've heard it before and we'll hear it again come next election cycle :)

NATO hasn't anything to decide in Kosovo and Metohija.
That's UNMIK's job!

Kosovar army blah blah blah Kosovo pilots blah blah blah, Nato blah blah blah. Right Fyrom can't get into Nato but Kosovo can lol. So who is going to pay for this golden armada?

"According to the Ahtisaari plan, which Priština had accepted, members of this unit are only allowed to carry light firearms. "

LOL, Serbia did not sign the Ahtisaari plan, so it became null and void and Kosovo is not bound by it.

The Albanians who think they run Kosovo are unfit to be fielding weapons of any kind. They cannot be trusted. The current official level of arms fielded by Albanians in Kosovo is pacification against those unofficial arms in the hands of other Albanians in Kosovo.

The international community should not allow any jumping from the Ahtisaari plan, because it is the only document signed by all parties concerned, and shall not be any change. The establishment of a Kosovo army would be a gross violation of international agreements.
(Isidor, 28 February 2014 16:52)

Sorry sweetheart😘
If I remember clearly, your radical leadership in Serbia refused to sign the internationally drafted Ahtisaari agreement! Your Serbia's loss!!! Know we get closer to having the opportunity of both of our country's armed forces looking at each other eye to eye!!! Don't wink to much now, you may never open them again? It's going to be like a bolt of lighting from the heavens, when the time comes to strike!

@ albo trolls hahaha what a slap in the face.

NATO "supports the Kosovo Security Force (KSF) in its present format, which does not envisage its use as a combat unit"

Which can only mean: Should Kosovo unilaterally decide to violate the Ahtissari plan and UN1244 (which says only KFOR forces are allowed on the territory of Kosovo), KFOR should immediately stop to cooperate, finance and train these forces.
(Comm. Parrisson, 28 February 2014 14:57)

C.P.
it is none of your concern if Kosova has its own military or becomes part of Nato. As long as Serbia stays on her side of the border, you have nothing to fear. Or, is it because there will be a level playing field that has you shaking in your boots. Btw, Serbia never agreed to the Ahtissari plan, therefore, has no say in the matter.

Wow Kosovo is having army of its own, every one is woried, they and they Donkey power, just backward people.

Serbia lost the war and with that has no influence. Kosova does what it chooses. Simple.

@ cry me a river please explain what independence? do you have seat in the UN ? let's cut that bs out you all know very well there is no independent Kosovo.just like the article says NO Army.. you albo live in denial.

Which can only mean: Should Kosovo unilaterally decide to violate the Ahtissari plan and UN1244 (which says only KFOR forces are allowed on the territory of Kosovo), KFOR should immediately stop to cooperate, finance and train these forces.
(Comm. Parrisson, 28 February 2014 14:57)
You seem like a fairly intelligent person, but you should really, really stop quoting UNSC 1244 until you read it. It states that the mandate of KFOR or the international security force is to keep Serbian or Yugoslavian forces out of Kosovo with the exception of a few for the few specific tasks listed which have nothing to do with security. And it calls on the KLA to disarm. But no where does it specify that Kosovo cannot develop its own security forces, once a new govt has been established. If I am wrong just find the passage and highlight it.

No Kosovo army just like no independence, no recognitions, no customs agents, no border...

Believe what you wish.

NATO hasn't anything to decide in Kosovo and Metohija.
That's UNMIK's job!
(Joachim, 28 February 2014 17:36)

Thanks... I had not seen UNMIK mentioned for some time in these forums and had started to get worried :)

The donkey brigade. ...

Hello to all this trool serbs you peope still thinking with 19 century logic
Just remember u fight with all your neighbors so for next war its will be really difficult
No mater what Kosovo will have or will be army or security force so have in minds for next

@ dorsej palokaj (grab a dictionary)

@ cry me a river ..what army ?

(cry me a river, 2 March 2014 00:10)

Customs agents? Is that what you call it? More like tax collectors mate. I could walk less than 1 kilometre form those so called customs agents and walk across unhindered. There is no border as even NATO and Eleux call it an administrative line– except for the Albanians who still hang out talismans on their houses to ward off evil.
Look at Ukraine. A new master is coming to Europe and he does not take too kindly US bootlicks.

"It states that the mandate of KFOR or the international security force is to keep Serbian or Yugoslavian forces out of Kosovo with the exception of a few for the few specific tasks listed which have nothing to do with security. And it calls on the KLA to disarm. "
(a New Day, 1 March 2014 21:09)

A nice summary to be found about UN1244 is this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Security_Council_Resolution_1244#Summary

No need to mention the still unfulfilled points about the territorial integrity, about the safe and the unimpeded return of all refugees, ensuring a peaceful and normal life for all inhabitants, but about armed forces it says: "Require that the KLA and other armed Kosovo Albanian groups be demilitarized"

But of course, a self-proclaimed 'Kosova Army' are not "Armed Albanian groups" because Kosovo is oh-so multi-ethnic, right? Ever thought why KSF was allowed only to be lightly armed, like police?

Ok, we can call them tax collectors. Everybody is happy is that, you included. Dispute solved :)
(icj1, 3 March 2014 14:17)

What’s the point? As I said before I can drive across into Kosovo a couple of k's from the so called crossings and not pay a cent, but I’m happy.

@ cry me a river please explain what independence? do you have seat in the UN ?
(Grobar1, 2 March 2014 13:12)

Using that criteria, Kosovo is an independent as Serbia was pre-2000 when Serbia did not have a UN seat or as Switzerland was pre-2003. Kosovo is perfectly fine having the same independence as Switzerland pre-2003.
----------

let's cut that bs out you all know very well there is no independent Kosovo.
(Grobar1, 2 March 2014 13:12)

Well, it's independent from Serbia - nobody disputes that. Whether it's independent from any other entity, does not matter much for Kosovo.

"KSF is a security force comprising approximately 2,500 active duty and 800 reserve member"
-
ha, really? fair enough lol

Customs agents? Is that what you call it? More like tax collectors mate
(sj, 2 March 2014 22:33)

Ok, we can call them tax collectors. Everybody is happy is that, you included. Dispute solved :)
(icj1, 3 March 2014 14:17)

What’s the point?
(sj, 3 March 2014 22:26)

We can ask the CE of B92 forums sj what's the point... He/she wanted to call them tax collectors, not me. But anyway, does not really matter; the Kosovars are happy; you are happy. Everybody is happy. No dispute to argue about!

P.S. CE = Chief Economist

(Comm. Parrisson, 3 March 2014 10:23
Exactly a part of 1244 was that the Albanian groups had to demilitarize, You do not find an active KLA in Kosovo, eventhough you and your peers refer to them like they are roaming the streets daily. But I was also accurate that it does not say that they cannot form a legit army once the govt was established and as a matter of fact the A Plan says that NATO will cover security UNTIL Kosovo can establish their own security forces.
Now the reason the Kosovo Security Forces were only to have small arms is simple and not really a secret. While you and other Serbs and many Albanians are constantly fueling the ethnic hatred fire the last thing the international community wants is to create the scenario for another war. They want to establish peace and so far the Serb forces are behaving.
The development of any real army in Kosovo will be slow and like Serbia most of the equipment will be donations or used and surplus equipment from other countries. It will be quite some time before you will see jets in Kosovo, if ever.

(cry me a river, 2 March 2014 00:10)

Customs agents? Is that what you call it? More like tax collectors mate
(sj, 2 March 2014 22:33)

Ok, we can call them tax collectors. Everybody is happy is that, you included. Dispute solved :)

Comm par,
One thing your lot seem to constantly overlook is the fact that when 1244 was written the only refugees to return were Albanian, the Serbs left Kosovo post UNSC 1244.

Comm Par,
If by chance you would have read the Ahtissarri Plan before posting you might have found something like this:
 "An NATO-led International Military Presence will provide a safe and secure environment throughout Kosovo, in conjunction with the ICR and in support of Kosovo’s institutions until such time as those institutions are capable of assuming the full-range of security responsibilities"
Which means apparently instead of violating the A Plan they are actually following it.

"It states that the mandate of KFOR or the international security force is to keep Serbian or Yugoslavian forces out of Kosovo with the exception of a few for the few specific tasks listed which have nothing to do with security. And it calls on the KLA to disarm. "
(a New Day, 1 March 2014 21:09)

A nice summary to be found about UN1244 is this:
[link]
(Comm. Parrisson, 3 March 2014 10:23)

Haha, it amazes me how some people would go to every source about 1244 (i.e. the Serbian version, Wikipedia summary, etc) except for 1244 itself in the original text and language, as if it's so difficult to find it :)

To those that have mentioned “UNMIK” I have bought so called “Coca-Cola” Cars that were driven during the time of “UNMIK” So what I’m saying to those that quoted this mission they have long been gone and forgotten. This Country reserves the rights to have Army just like the rest of the neighboring countries in FR. Of Yugoslavia.