Russian forces ordered to "test combat readiness"

It seems Putin is well aware that the time for negotiations and compromise is over. The West did a dirty in Ukraine and Russia must now do what it must to secure the Russian regions. There is obviously no such thing as democracy there and time wasted will give the West more time to make Ukraine a NATO member, making it an even larger threat.

Look, the line has been drawn in Syria and the line is now drawn in Ukraine. The expansion of NATO is at its end. When China is ready, NATOs gains will begin to reverse. There is no longer any point having discussions with dictators. They will only decieve as they always have. Putin is well aware of this and we Serbs have known this for decades also.

We are in fact dealing with fascism here and we see it everywhere. Be they western Ukraines, Croatians, Germans and even our local Albanians here, who openly express delight at slavs killing slavs.

if they had wanted a closer relationship with Putin, they'd not have rebelled.
(Nikolle, 26 February 2014 15:53)
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They didn't rebel in the eastern and southern parts of the country and this is what will be protected. You can have western Ukraine. There is nothing there apart from many extremist hungry mouths to feed. Much like your very own "kosova"***

Fungi has really lost it.He's accusing Putin for crimes knowing pretty well the biggest war criminals are british politicians.

You see, just like I said, Putin is getting ready to kill Ukrainians.

Putin's and criminal Yanukovych's death toll is currently at 82 (if not higher), but that figure will soon rise unfortunately.

Ukraine's army is rather large and well equipped, so any Russian military intervention could prove to be highly embarrassing. Regardless of the outcome, it will result in a huge loss of life an the hand's of Putin's nationalist neo-colonialism agenda.

@nikolle apparently you do not know the history there half of Ukraine want's to go and unite with Russia.

"... if you attack Russia,..."

Having trouble with geography? i did not know the Ukrainians had made it all the way to Moscow
(Nikolle, 26 February 2014 16:09)

Where did I mention Ukrainians in my comment Nikolle? I can assure you regular Ukrainians and Russians get on just fine (including in the west), regular Ukrainians voted in Yanukovych at the last election and would have expressed their future wishes at the next scheduled election as per any other regular country. Who exactly the "protestors" are remains to be seen... helmets, ski masks, sniper rifles, flak jackets.... not the normal attire of citizens gathering to protest is it? Why are they, even now, still covering their faces in masks? ... I'm prepared to bet a very large fraction of these people are mercinaries paid for by US tax dollars.
Getting back to what I'm talking about, the US intention to encircle and attack Russia, Napoleon did get to Moscow - and lost, Hitler almost got there - and lost, the US is at the Ukrainian-Russian border now - and will lose.
You know the saying how history repeats first as tragedy then as farce? Hitler was the tragedy, Obama will be the farce.

I didn't think Obama would have the guts, but nicely played CIA. As punishment for Russia last year successfully sticking its nose into Syria and other places that are the West's exclusive sphere of influence (namely everywhere south of the north pole), they have played the "Ukraine card" in retaliation.
And you have to give them credit, well played... quite a coup you might say :) Nice touch doing it during the Winter games knowing that Vlad must have been itching to explode, but has to smile and wave and pretend "it's all good".... for now, USA 1: Russia 0.
However the Winter games are over now, and, as we assumed, it's time to "test combat readiness" amongst other things that will be happening soon.... no chance they are going to let the US get away with this. Would the US let China take over Canada without consequences? Of course not, in this position, the US would have been foaming at the mouth sending in helicopter gunships to strafe "protestors"... Christ, they used tanks to take out the crazies at Waco remember? I think more people were killed in that "trivial" incident than in the Ukraine so far. US hypocrisy on this is mind-blowing. Russia, although much calmer and more rational, won't put up with this sort of nonsense on their borders. Like Napoleon, Hitler and other such fools, if you attack Russia, you might get off to a good start, even a great start, but in the end you will lose.
You are about to join that long list of losers Barak.

does not putin have the same right as obama, namely to protect the lives and interests, both physical and monetary of his citizens or people who consider themselves as such.
obama, bush, clinton, bush,... all had used this logic to defend the monetary interests of american or friendly citizens and corporations all over the world.
obama regularly sent american soldiers, official or contracted into pakistan, a country with which america is not at war with, in order to find "the enemy" or protect "their friend". putin can do the same in ukraine. putin also has to the rights to defend the naval fleet.
so, yes, put the military on ready alert. thats what they're there for and thats what they should be used for. just do as america does and they will call you a dictatorship, lick their boots and they'll call you enlightend or democratic (consider saudi arbia -- americas pet in the mid-east that has just as bad human rights issues as china, but america calls sa enlightened, nor a dictatorship)

Regardless of the outcome, it will result in a huge loss of life an the hand's of Putin's nationalist neo-colonialism agenda.
(Ian, UK, 26 February 2014 14:05)

It's not neo-colonialism to have legitimate interest in a bordering country which gave birth to Russia's civilization, which the communist have a huge portion of Russia's territory to, where there are at least 30-35% ethnic Russians, where there is a huge Russian naval base etc etc. A better example of colonialism is the UK's involvement in the Falkland Island, half a world away from the shores of Britain.

If the Western Ukrainians really want to join the EU then that should be their choice. Even though its funny and pathetic (for pro EU Serbs too) to want to join an organization in which its members are on their way out (your country, ironically). But this shouldn't mean that Eastern Ukrainians do not get their own say when it comes to their future as well. If they want to continue to foster cultural and ethnic ties to Russia then they will. And calls to forcefully remove these ties are calls for conflict. I hope it doesn't get to that, and I don't have anything against Western Ukrainians (although they were really pro Nazi during WWII), so a peaceful solution should be found that satisfies both parties.

Go Russia,this is the perfect time to get Belarus,Ukraine and Kazakstan
back into Russia and alter what this idiot and traitor Gorbachev sold away!

Obama is a weakling,the EU has zero military power !
The opinion of the Western fasicts states should be completely ignored!

lay off the conspiracies Zoran, they're making you a bit more crazy than usual. the Ukrainians it seems, rather prefer closer ties with the West, than the watchful eye of brother Russia. face it, if they had wanted a closer relationship with Putin, they'd not have rebelled. even a $15 bill loan wasn't enough to entice them. as for your belief that you're fighting fascism, oh dear. russia is far more fascistic than the EU, both in behaviour and mentality.

In the Ukraine we have 6 Chernobyl type stations and 15 more nuclear blocks plus some 3000 technologically dangerous objects controlled by out of mind Nazi groups. US/EU may play their Russophobe games before the objects are seized and used to blackmail us all. Ukraine is not a NATO response territory. So they will beg Russia to do something. That’s why so much troops (150 000) are involved. Moreover those are 2 out of 4 existing Military Districts while one more (Southern) is already in a high readiness mood because of Sochi. Thus Ukraine is embraced from 3 sides including the Black Sea. The troops are changing their dislocation for average 1000 km. I guess those are the biggest maneuvers I can remember. Besides some forces that do not obey to the Military Districts’ commanders are also involved. Say Strategic Cosmic Force and the airborne troops. So whatever we say it is much more serious than described in the article. I hope we are going to kill the west-fed Nazi revolt by all means available no matter what the west says. Democracy is a prostitute type of a dictatorship. So we have to be realists. It was hard for me not to write “cynics”.

"... if you attack Russia,..."

Having trouble with geography? i did not know the Ukrainians had made it all the way to Moscow

When the time comes for Ukraine to split along ethnic lines it will be interesting to see how many western countries shout to preserve the territorial integrity of Ukraine while at the same time delighting in splitting Serbia along the same lines.
They won't have a leg to stand on for they set the precedent.
Ukraine especially won't be able to defend the argument.

I think Crimea should hold an independence referendum as soon as possible and the rest of the world should take heed to avoid war. That idiot Khrushchev and other Soviet expansionists truly activated a time bomb by lumping on non-Ukrainian land (Crimea, Budzak, Bucovina, Donbass and Zakarpattia) onto this country historically, but from what I see, the two major potential flashpoints today are Donbass and Crimea, which have a significant Russian minority and Russian majority respectively.

Putin is right to have the interests of these Russians at heart and to defend them if need be, given that Ukraine is basically headless at the moment and would not be able to protect them themselves, but aside from that, I simply don't see that exact line of division of Ukraine until which Putin can have any influence.

It can be theoretically stated that 9 regions of South-East Ukraine are Russian-speaking, but I have yet to see evidence of them wanting to have the Ukraine split up into a pro-West and pro-Russian part. They are Ukrainians after all. On the other hand, I also cannot see either side bending to the political leanings of the other side.

To be honest, I do not see a way out for Ukraine. A split is hardly possible, people are too polarized and it seems, not willing for compromise. What a bloody mess!

BTW I am shocked to see some Serbs here advocating the reunion of the USSR. Isn't your own example of Yugoslavia an adequate example of how Marxist unions don't work?

Neither the US nor Russia will be mad enough to start a war for Ukraine. This is the opportunity for the EU to try to act and make clear to both USA and Russia to keep out of Europe. it is time for the EU not to be only an economicaal superstate, but also to set up own joint defence policy apart from NATO, as this crisis is within Europe and Europe has to learn from mistakes from the past and stand up as one power!

Nikolle, your english is quite good, but if you don't know what "regular" means (normal, typical) then you need to continue with the lessons.

What's amazing is that you can't see the connection between these "protests" and western interference. Did you miss John Mc Cain and friends waltzing thru Kiev over the past few months demanding essentially that the Ukrainian gov be overthown?? They are open and proud about this! When I think about it, Yanukovych was actually quite a tolerant guy (or an idiot) giving these clowns visas into the country to so openly interfere like this.

And the question stands, who were the people wearing masks to obscure their identity, carrying military style weapons thru the streets when this began? Remember on the first day this got nasty, it was the police that lost a dozen men killed by gunfire, not the "protesters"... it was by these hired goons... and why still the masks? Afraid someone might recognise them and identify who they really are? Me thinks so.

Finally to the question of the USA's motive in doing this... I've already explained, in US eyes everything south of the north pole is strategically vital... I'm quite serious, this is what Americans think... why else in the last 20 years have they intervened in dozens of countries in every corner the world to impose their will? They are doing it because they can. Russia is just the biggest of many targets.

But even for America, this will be too big a mouthful to swallow...

"For now Albania may be America's "useful idiot" in the Balkans, but they will crush you too the second you are useless to them"
what this has to do with Ukraine is lost to me. would the Russians treat us better do you think? so shall we swap the evil American empire for the Russian one? you see, this is the problem with the anti-US/anti-West crowd, they paint themselves as anti-imperialist, when what they're really doing, is cheering for a different empire
(Nikolle, 28 February 2014 14:19)
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Nobody is saying that Albania should be under Russian rule.
All that is being said is that Albanians keep their grubby hands off Kosovo. Albania can govern itself. You can choose if you want to be ruled by America and if you choose to be then it's up to you but getting America to take Kosovo away from Serbia and give it to you is unacceptable.

I expect this act of bravado to blow up in Putin's face. He is an angry little man. I pity his dog.

Ian, fyi eastern n southern ukraine is the industrial economic heartland of ukraine, they have the best resources n lands. They produce the weaponry, the tanks, the artillery, etc. Putin doesn't even have to invade, western Ukraine would loose a civil war, not if but when. But with Putin it'll be over quicker, and you will do NOTHING, sit it out just like Georgia :)

the country that now has came towards Russia begging for relations n trade after the western fantasy lifestyle didn't rain from the sky. And what happens to western Ukraine after the war? Will poor EU feed them? They got no industry of their own, does your UK want to give billions to 20+ million western Ukrainians for decades? Lets see how tough talking the coup makers in Kiev will be come December, next winter, when they need gas :)

I'm sorry, but we got all the cards, you bet yours on lunatic crazies across the world out of impatience for empire, you leave a trail of failure every time.

You see, just like I said, Putin is getting ready to kill Ukrainians.

Putin's and criminal Yanukovych's death toll is currently at 82 (if not higher), but that figure will soon rise unfortunately.


No he is not, he is getting ready to protect the russians that are screaming for his help. Take he anti-russian and anti-serb blindfolds off for once in a while. You realize that you support a fasist government led by SVoboda right?

It seems the pro-Putin supporters on this forum are engaging in quantum leaps in logic due to the rage they are experiencing. This, of course, is due to the fact that the CIA has stopped the furious Putin dead in his tracks from hijacking the Ukraine. The egg on Putin's face is enough to make a Western Omelette for Pussy Riot.

Our friends, the commentator and Zoran, are, foolishly, jumping to conclusions. The Commentator is claiming the West is about to invade Russia, whereas, Zoran thinks Western leaders are dictators. Both claims are preposterous, but not enough to keep Zoran and the Commentator from publicly embarrassing themselves. Go figure!!! sj has yet to report what his Ouija board is telling him.

Fungi has really lost it.He's accusing Putin for crimes knowing pretty well the biggest war criminals are british politicians.
(Gotsefromohrid, 26 February 2014 15:12)

Go on Gotse, you tell that Fungi!

Putin is only barking. Isn't this funny by the way. 3 days after Winter Olympics ended Putin wants to 'invade' Ukraine. Didn't Germans do something similar in 1930s? This looks very similar to me.

Where did I mention Ukrainians in my comment Nikolle? I can assure you regular Ukrainians and Russians get on just fine (including in the west), regular Ukrainians voted in Yanukovych at the last election and would have expressed their future wishes at the next scheduled election as per any other regular country....
(commentator, 26 February 2014 22:40)

Yanukovic lost vast support from his electoral base when killing Ukrainians on the squares of Kiev. Only yesterday appeared a video with a behaeded Ukrainian carried by Berkut. Even the East and South we had protests against that regime. The people never gave Yanukovic the mandate to murder citizens and that is why has been rightfully removed and new elections called in.

Putin the bast*** never digested Russia's downfall and he underestimates Ukraine. Time to break the rest of the Sovietunion in to small pieces.

Occupy Wall St demonstrators didn't kill a dozen NYPD with gunfire did they? I suspect if they had, the US would have used helicopter gunships on the demonstrators... as I mentioned in first post, a few religious crazies with guns at Waco got the full treatment from US "law enforcement", inc tanks, I just looked up the death toll 4 police killed... then *87* of them.... Imagine then what US "security forces" would do if someone attempted to mount an armed uprising Ukraine style?

Give me a break Nikolle... you are very naive. American agression will not stand my friend.

...right, according to the guardian report on feb 21, 67 people had been killed (the leader of the protest organisation claimed 70 protesters had died since tuesday of that week). the said newspaper, also published videos of police personnel with snipers placed a distance away from protesters. they were basically picking them off. explain that one to me. riot control, i understand; sniper police, no sunshine, you'll have to be a real moron to justify that.
"For now Albania may be America's "useful idiot" in the Balkans, but they will crush you too the second you are useless to them"
what this has to do with Ukraine is lost to me. would the Russians treat us better do you think? so shall we swap the evil American empire for the Russian one? you see, this is the problem with the anti-US/anti-West crowd, they paint themselves as anti-imperialist, when what they're really doing, is cheering for a different empire

It seems noone can beat Fungi on the popularity stakes.

@commentator

"regular Ukrainians..." what is a regular Ukrainian? how do you distinguish them from an irregular one? what a bizarre phrase. as for protesters being paid by the US, a myth, a gigantic myth that simpletons so very easily believe. it doesn't take half a brain cell to debunk it, but of course it would be a waste of time. it is the same as me saying, the French Revolution was financed by the Brits to hinder France in its colonial war with Britain.
now my question was regarding your parallel with Hitler and Napoleon, tell me, when has Russia's territory been attacked by the West since the end of ww2? it hasn't. what we have here, are people who have taken this view that the US can not wait to attack Russia (a country possessing nukes, so no sane individual will ever attack it) to justify a world view that only fits in their imagination

normal Ukrainian? so, there protesters are not normal Ukrainians? tell me, were the protesters in Hungary 1956 normal Hungarians? i see how you attach the moniker normal to those obedient. as for the protesters being in the payroll of the west, tell me, is the Occupy movement in the payroll of Russia? or is that an honest attempt at social change? you see, a conspiracy can be taken anywhere. were the Serbs who rebelled against Ottoman rule under the payroll of the Tsar? or was that a genuine attempt at liberation?
as for the US and intervening, well, the US chose not to intervene in Rwanda, was that a good idea? Russia intervened in Georgia, does that paint Russia as imperialist?

"I've already explained, in US eyes everything south of the north pole is strategically vital..." anyone and almost everyone uses phrases like strategically vital. however, strategically vital for what?

I guess since you guys needed the word "regular" explained to you, I'll spell out the answer to your other questions as well.

I don't recall Vladimir Putin addressing the Occupy Wall St protesters demanding they storm the whitehouse, or AK47s and flak jackets being distributed amongst the crowd... so the "Ukrainian protesters" were I little bit different me thinks?

America, like others before it, wants as grand an empire as it can build... motivation is prestige, natural resources, etc .... what is new with America is they want every square cm of the globe, and, what is even more ridiculous, they expect all of their subjects to "love them" and expect them to "be like them"... and they are genuinely baffled why this isn't happening in so many places. Even many people amongst their more willing "allies" are sick and tired of them. Still, that is the definition of insanity, doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result.

As George Bush summed it up "you are either with us or against us"... since places like Russia insist on their sovereignty, they are in the "against us" camp and must be subdued.

OK - all clear guys?? It's all pretty obvious to the rest of us.

care to tell me, when is it that the west has DEMANDED that the Ukrainian Parliament be stormed? also, perhaps you'd like to tell me, when has the the West used round bullets on the Occupy protesters? this is what the Ukrainian police did.

"America, like others before it, wants as grand an empire as it can build... motivation is prestige, natural resources, etc..."

ans Russia doesn't want this? its only the evil Americans that want it?

"since places like Russia insist on their sovereignty, they are in the "against us" camp and must be subdued."

it seems to me, a great number of Ukrainians also want sovereignty from Russia (same for Georgia), where's your support for their struggle?

As I have tried to demostrate to you, there is no state in the world where the police would not shoot back if they were shot at... US, Albania ... everywhere.
In the Ukraine, as yet unknown persons opened fire on the police, killing dozens, provoking the situation to where we are now.

The difference with the US is America believes it has the right to shoot first wherever they like in the world. Remember those disgusting gun camera videos of US Apache pilots picking off people at random on Afgan streets?

Pure insanity... but you will of course excuse this Nikolle... they were obviously defending something strategically vital right?

The 4 police killed and 80+ civilians was the death toll from Waco Texas!
I think you are commenting on too many things and are losing track of what you are talking about Nikolle!
Getting back to the Ukraine, 12 police killed on the first day of rioting out of 26 in total ... I recall the reports.. and those were the reports of the western press.
That's a lot of police killed during a "peaceful protest". Of course they then fought back.
Same old topics with you Nikolle.... please keep up.
Thanks though for admitting that the US arbitrarily kills people not just in their own country, but globally ... and thanks for not condoning it.
For now Albania may be America's "useful idiot" in the Balkans, but they will crush you too the second you are useless to them.

Getting back to what I'm talking about, the US intention to encircle and attack Russia, Napoleon did get to Moscow - and lost, Hitler almost got there - and lost, the US is at the Ukrainian-Russian border now - and will lose.
You know the saying how history repeats first as tragedy then as farce? Hitler was the tragedy, Obama will be the farce.
(commentator, 26 February 2014 22:40)

Sorry, you failed to explain a small detail... What would be the purpose of US attacking Russia?! Or just for fun to fulfill the fantasies of some Serbs!

Finally to the question of the USA's motive in doing this... I've already explained, in US eyes everything south of the north pole is strategically vital...
(commentator, 27 February 2014 12:41)

You explained nothing.... So USA would attack Russia because every thing south of the north pole (i.e. the entire world) is strategically vital. So, how does USA attacking Russia helps on that?!

...very interesting. do you know what, even if say a policeman gets killed (now who fired first seems to be open to debate, the protesters weren't armed before), the state should not retaliate by killing its citizens. no state should murder those it has pledged to serve, those that give it legitimacy. i appreciate that for people with an authoritarian mindset, this is a hard thing to grasp, but give it a try.
"American agression will not stand my friend." yep, i realize that i'm dealing with another one of the everything-is-the-fault-of-the-west crowd but still, i like to entertain myself. its really easy to blame the US for what happened in Ukraine (though I myself have never seen the connection) but a far more simple explanation is that Yanukovych didn't understand the mood of his people well enough.

oh dear, I have not before, nor will I now excuse the murder of innocent civilians.

"In the Ukraine, as yet unknown persons opened fire on the police, killing dozens, provoking the situation to where we are now."
you seem so sure of this, yet the numbers tell a different story. was it that 4 policemen were killed as opposed to 80+ protesters? explain that one to me.

You hit the point dear with that key word "imagine"... The real question is why that imagination does not turn into reality in the US but only happens in Libya, Syria, Ukraine, etc.? Once you answer that question, you'll get all your answers.
(icj1, 1 March 2014 13:33)
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Maybe it's you who should be thinking about why. You obviousy didn't think about it well enough before you answred.
Let me give you a hint. There are no paid US agents working to dismember the US.

Go Russia,this is the perfect time to get Belarus,Ukraine and Kazakstan
back into Russia and alter what this idiot and traitor Gorbachev sold away!

Obama is a weakling,the EU has zero military power !
The opinion of the Western fasicts states should be completely ignored!
(CG, 26 February 2014 21:22)

And which century you are living?????
what is the date your calendar tells you????
because A that like yours destroys generation to come
UNTIL WHEN YOU WANT TO BUILD AND RENOVATE AND NEVER BEING ABLE TO MOVE IN????

Imagine then what US "security forces" would do if someone attempted to mount an armed uprising Ukraine style?
(commentator, 28 February 2014 11:10)

You hit the point dear with that key word "imagine"... The real question is why that imagination does not turn into reality in the US but only happens in Libya, Syria, Ukraine, etc.? Once you answer that question, you'll get all your answers.

Let me give you a hint. There are no paid US agents working to dismember the US.
(Peggy, 1 March 2014 23:21)

Well, there are no paid US agent working to dismember any country because you just agreed with the CE of B92 forums sj that the US has run out of cash.

In addition, according to the CE of B92 forums sj, Russia is the only superpower with cash, so I wonder what is Russia waiting to pay agents to work to dismember US so that Kosovo can be returned to Serbia?! What is Russia waiting to pay agents to work to "convince" Ukrainians that Russia is the future?!

So the question still remains how comes that commentator's "imagination" does not turn into reality?!

P.S. CE = Chief Economist

You see, just like I said, Putin is getting ready to kill Ukrainians.

Putin's and criminal Yanukovych's death toll is currently at 82 (if not higher), but that figure will soon rise unfortunately.

Ukraine's army is rather large and well equipped, so any Russian military intervention could prove to be highly embarrassing. Regardless of the outcome, it will result in a huge loss of life an the hand's of Putin's nationalist neo-colonialism agenda.

lay off the conspiracies Zoran, they're making you a bit more crazy than usual. the Ukrainians it seems, rather prefer closer ties with the West, than the watchful eye of brother Russia. face it, if they had wanted a closer relationship with Putin, they'd not have rebelled. even a $15 bill loan wasn't enough to entice them. as for your belief that you're fighting fascism, oh dear. russia is far more fascistic than the EU, both in behaviour and mentality.

"... if you attack Russia,..."

Having trouble with geography? i did not know the Ukrainians had made it all the way to Moscow

Neither the US nor Russia will be mad enough to start a war for Ukraine. This is the opportunity for the EU to try to act and make clear to both USA and Russia to keep out of Europe. it is time for the EU not to be only an economicaal superstate, but also to set up own joint defence policy apart from NATO, as this crisis is within Europe and Europe has to learn from mistakes from the past and stand up as one power!

It seems the pro-Putin supporters on this forum are engaging in quantum leaps in logic due to the rage they are experiencing. This, of course, is due to the fact that the CIA has stopped the furious Putin dead in his tracks from hijacking the Ukraine. The egg on Putin's face is enough to make a Western Omelette for Pussy Riot.

Our friends, the commentator and Zoran, are, foolishly, jumping to conclusions. The Commentator is claiming the West is about to invade Russia, whereas, Zoran thinks Western leaders are dictators. Both claims are preposterous, but not enough to keep Zoran and the Commentator from publicly embarrassing themselves. Go figure!!! sj has yet to report what his Ouija board is telling him.

I expect this act of bravado to blow up in Putin's face. He is an angry little man. I pity his dog.

It seems Putin is well aware that the time for negotiations and compromise is over. The West did a dirty in Ukraine and Russia must now do what it must to secure the Russian regions. There is obviously no such thing as democracy there and time wasted will give the West more time to make Ukraine a NATO member, making it an even larger threat.

Look, the line has been drawn in Syria and the line is now drawn in Ukraine. The expansion of NATO is at its end. When China is ready, NATOs gains will begin to reverse. There is no longer any point having discussions with dictators. They will only decieve as they always have. Putin is well aware of this and we Serbs have known this for decades also.

We are in fact dealing with fascism here and we see it everywhere. Be they western Ukraines, Croatians, Germans and even our local Albanians here, who openly express delight at slavs killing slavs.

I didn't think Obama would have the guts, but nicely played CIA. As punishment for Russia last year successfully sticking its nose into Syria and other places that are the West's exclusive sphere of influence (namely everywhere south of the north pole), they have played the "Ukraine card" in retaliation.
And you have to give them credit, well played... quite a coup you might say :) Nice touch doing it during the Winter games knowing that Vlad must have been itching to explode, but has to smile and wave and pretend "it's all good".... for now, USA 1: Russia 0.
However the Winter games are over now, and, as we assumed, it's time to "test combat readiness" amongst other things that will be happening soon.... no chance they are going to let the US get away with this. Would the US let China take over Canada without consequences? Of course not, in this position, the US would have been foaming at the mouth sending in helicopter gunships to strafe "protestors"... Christ, they used tanks to take out the crazies at Waco remember? I think more people were killed in that "trivial" incident than in the Ukraine so far. US hypocrisy on this is mind-blowing. Russia, although much calmer and more rational, won't put up with this sort of nonsense on their borders. Like Napoleon, Hitler and other such fools, if you attack Russia, you might get off to a good start, even a great start, but in the end you will lose.
You are about to join that long list of losers Barak.

Fungi has really lost it.He's accusing Putin for crimes knowing pretty well the biggest war criminals are british politicians.

if they had wanted a closer relationship with Putin, they'd not have rebelled.
(Nikolle, 26 February 2014 15:53)
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They didn't rebel in the eastern and southern parts of the country and this is what will be protected. You can have western Ukraine. There is nothing there apart from many extremist hungry mouths to feed. Much like your very own "kosova"***

Where did I mention Ukrainians in my comment Nikolle? I can assure you regular Ukrainians and Russians get on just fine (including in the west), regular Ukrainians voted in Yanukovych at the last election and would have expressed their future wishes at the next scheduled election as per any other regular country....
(commentator, 26 February 2014 22:40)

Yanukovic lost vast support from his electoral base when killing Ukrainians on the squares of Kiev. Only yesterday appeared a video with a behaeded Ukrainian carried by Berkut. Even the East and South we had protests against that regime. The people never gave Yanukovic the mandate to murder citizens and that is why has been rightfully removed and new elections called in.

Putin the bast*** never digested Russia's downfall and he underestimates Ukraine. Time to break the rest of the Sovietunion in to small pieces.

Fungi has really lost it.He's accusing Putin for crimes knowing pretty well the biggest war criminals are british politicians.
(Gotsefromohrid, 26 February 2014 15:12)

Go on Gotse, you tell that Fungi!

@commentator

"regular Ukrainians..." what is a regular Ukrainian? how do you distinguish them from an irregular one? what a bizarre phrase. as for protesters being paid by the US, a myth, a gigantic myth that simpletons so very easily believe. it doesn't take half a brain cell to debunk it, but of course it would be a waste of time. it is the same as me saying, the French Revolution was financed by the Brits to hinder France in its colonial war with Britain.
now my question was regarding your parallel with Hitler and Napoleon, tell me, when has Russia's territory been attacked by the West since the end of ww2? it hasn't. what we have here, are people who have taken this view that the US can not wait to attack Russia (a country possessing nukes, so no sane individual will ever attack it) to justify a world view that only fits in their imagination

Putin is only barking. Isn't this funny by the way. 3 days after Winter Olympics ended Putin wants to 'invade' Ukraine. Didn't Germans do something similar in 1930s? This looks very similar to me.

Regardless of the outcome, it will result in a huge loss of life an the hand's of Putin's nationalist neo-colonialism agenda.
(Ian, UK, 26 February 2014 14:05)

It's not neo-colonialism to have legitimate interest in a bordering country which gave birth to Russia's civilization, which the communist have a huge portion of Russia's territory to, where there are at least 30-35% ethnic Russians, where there is a huge Russian naval base etc etc. A better example of colonialism is the UK's involvement in the Falkland Island, half a world away from the shores of Britain.

If the Western Ukrainians really want to join the EU then that should be their choice. Even though its funny and pathetic (for pro EU Serbs too) to want to join an organization in which its members are on their way out (your country, ironically). But this shouldn't mean that Eastern Ukrainians do not get their own say when it comes to their future as well. If they want to continue to foster cultural and ethnic ties to Russia then they will. And calls to forcefully remove these ties are calls for conflict. I hope it doesn't get to that, and I don't have anything against Western Ukrainians (although they were really pro Nazi during WWII), so a peaceful solution should be found that satisfies both parties.

Finally to the question of the USA's motive in doing this... I've already explained, in US eyes everything south of the north pole is strategically vital...
(commentator, 27 February 2014 12:41)

You explained nothing.... So USA would attack Russia because every thing south of the north pole (i.e. the entire world) is strategically vital. So, how does USA attacking Russia helps on that?!

Go Russia,this is the perfect time to get Belarus,Ukraine and Kazakstan
back into Russia and alter what this idiot and traitor Gorbachev sold away!

Obama is a weakling,the EU has zero military power !
The opinion of the Western fasicts states should be completely ignored!

@nikolle apparently you do not know the history there half of Ukraine want's to go and unite with Russia.

"... if you attack Russia,..."

Having trouble with geography? i did not know the Ukrainians had made it all the way to Moscow
(Nikolle, 26 February 2014 16:09)

Where did I mention Ukrainians in my comment Nikolle? I can assure you regular Ukrainians and Russians get on just fine (including in the west), regular Ukrainians voted in Yanukovych at the last election and would have expressed their future wishes at the next scheduled election as per any other regular country. Who exactly the "protestors" are remains to be seen... helmets, ski masks, sniper rifles, flak jackets.... not the normal attire of citizens gathering to protest is it? Why are they, even now, still covering their faces in masks? ... I'm prepared to bet a very large fraction of these people are mercinaries paid for by US tax dollars.
Getting back to what I'm talking about, the US intention to encircle and attack Russia, Napoleon did get to Moscow - and lost, Hitler almost got there - and lost, the US is at the Ukrainian-Russian border now - and will lose.
You know the saying how history repeats first as tragedy then as farce? Hitler was the tragedy, Obama will be the farce.

When the time comes for Ukraine to split along ethnic lines it will be interesting to see how many western countries shout to preserve the territorial integrity of Ukraine while at the same time delighting in splitting Serbia along the same lines.
They won't have a leg to stand on for they set the precedent.
Ukraine especially won't be able to defend the argument.

Getting back to what I'm talking about, the US intention to encircle and attack Russia, Napoleon did get to Moscow - and lost, Hitler almost got there - and lost, the US is at the Ukrainian-Russian border now - and will lose.
You know the saying how history repeats first as tragedy then as farce? Hitler was the tragedy, Obama will be the farce.
(commentator, 26 February 2014 22:40)

Sorry, you failed to explain a small detail... What would be the purpose of US attacking Russia?! Or just for fun to fulfill the fantasies of some Serbs!

In the Ukraine we have 6 Chernobyl type stations and 15 more nuclear blocks plus some 3000 technologically dangerous objects controlled by out of mind Nazi groups. US/EU may play their Russophobe games before the objects are seized and used to blackmail us all. Ukraine is not a NATO response territory. So they will beg Russia to do something. That’s why so much troops (150 000) are involved. Moreover those are 2 out of 4 existing Military Districts while one more (Southern) is already in a high readiness mood because of Sochi. Thus Ukraine is embraced from 3 sides including the Black Sea. The troops are changing their dislocation for average 1000 km. I guess those are the biggest maneuvers I can remember. Besides some forces that do not obey to the Military Districts’ commanders are also involved. Say Strategic Cosmic Force and the airborne troops. So whatever we say it is much more serious than described in the article. I hope we are going to kill the west-fed Nazi revolt by all means available no matter what the west says. Democracy is a prostitute type of a dictatorship. So we have to be realists. It was hard for me not to write “cynics”.

normal Ukrainian? so, there protesters are not normal Ukrainians? tell me, were the protesters in Hungary 1956 normal Hungarians? i see how you attach the moniker normal to those obedient. as for the protesters being in the payroll of the west, tell me, is the Occupy movement in the payroll of Russia? or is that an honest attempt at social change? you see, a conspiracy can be taken anywhere. were the Serbs who rebelled against Ottoman rule under the payroll of the Tsar? or was that a genuine attempt at liberation?
as for the US and intervening, well, the US chose not to intervene in Rwanda, was that a good idea? Russia intervened in Georgia, does that paint Russia as imperialist?

"I've already explained, in US eyes everything south of the north pole is strategically vital..." anyone and almost everyone uses phrases like strategically vital. however, strategically vital for what?

"For now Albania may be America's "useful idiot" in the Balkans, but they will crush you too the second you are useless to them"
what this has to do with Ukraine is lost to me. would the Russians treat us better do you think? so shall we swap the evil American empire for the Russian one? you see, this is the problem with the anti-US/anti-West crowd, they paint themselves as anti-imperialist, when what they're really doing, is cheering for a different empire
(Nikolle, 28 February 2014 14:19)
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Nobody is saying that Albania should be under Russian rule.
All that is being said is that Albanians keep their grubby hands off Kosovo. Albania can govern itself. You can choose if you want to be ruled by America and if you choose to be then it's up to you but getting America to take Kosovo away from Serbia and give it to you is unacceptable.

does not putin have the same right as obama, namely to protect the lives and interests, both physical and monetary of his citizens or people who consider themselves as such.
obama, bush, clinton, bush,... all had used this logic to defend the monetary interests of american or friendly citizens and corporations all over the world.
obama regularly sent american soldiers, official or contracted into pakistan, a country with which america is not at war with, in order to find "the enemy" or protect "their friend". putin can do the same in ukraine. putin also has to the rights to defend the naval fleet.
so, yes, put the military on ready alert. thats what they're there for and thats what they should be used for. just do as america does and they will call you a dictatorship, lick their boots and they'll call you enlightend or democratic (consider saudi arbia -- americas pet in the mid-east that has just as bad human rights issues as china, but america calls sa enlightened, nor a dictatorship)

care to tell me, when is it that the west has DEMANDED that the Ukrainian Parliament be stormed? also, perhaps you'd like to tell me, when has the the West used round bullets on the Occupy protesters? this is what the Ukrainian police did.

"America, like others before it, wants as grand an empire as it can build... motivation is prestige, natural resources, etc..."

ans Russia doesn't want this? its only the evil Americans that want it?

"since places like Russia insist on their sovereignty, they are in the "against us" camp and must be subdued."

it seems to me, a great number of Ukrainians also want sovereignty from Russia (same for Georgia), where's your support for their struggle?

Ian, fyi eastern n southern ukraine is the industrial economic heartland of ukraine, they have the best resources n lands. They produce the weaponry, the tanks, the artillery, etc. Putin doesn't even have to invade, western Ukraine would loose a civil war, not if but when. But with Putin it'll be over quicker, and you will do NOTHING, sit it out just like Georgia :)

the country that now has came towards Russia begging for relations n trade after the western fantasy lifestyle didn't rain from the sky. And what happens to western Ukraine after the war? Will poor EU feed them? They got no industry of their own, does your UK want to give billions to 20+ million western Ukrainians for decades? Lets see how tough talking the coup makers in Kiev will be come December, next winter, when they need gas :)

I'm sorry, but we got all the cards, you bet yours on lunatic crazies across the world out of impatience for empire, you leave a trail of failure every time.

As I have tried to demostrate to you, there is no state in the world where the police would not shoot back if they were shot at... US, Albania ... everywhere.
In the Ukraine, as yet unknown persons opened fire on the police, killing dozens, provoking the situation to where we are now.

The difference with the US is America believes it has the right to shoot first wherever they like in the world. Remember those disgusting gun camera videos of US Apache pilots picking off people at random on Afgan streets?

Pure insanity... but you will of course excuse this Nikolle... they were obviously defending something strategically vital right?

oh dear, I have not before, nor will I now excuse the murder of innocent civilians.

"In the Ukraine, as yet unknown persons opened fire on the police, killing dozens, provoking the situation to where we are now."
you seem so sure of this, yet the numbers tell a different story. was it that 4 policemen were killed as opposed to 80+ protesters? explain that one to me.

The 4 police killed and 80+ civilians was the death toll from Waco Texas!
I think you are commenting on too many things and are losing track of what you are talking about Nikolle!
Getting back to the Ukraine, 12 police killed on the first day of rioting out of 26 in total ... I recall the reports.. and those were the reports of the western press.
That's a lot of police killed during a "peaceful protest". Of course they then fought back.
Same old topics with you Nikolle.... please keep up.
Thanks though for admitting that the US arbitrarily kills people not just in their own country, but globally ... and thanks for not condoning it.
For now Albania may be America's "useful idiot" in the Balkans, but they will crush you too the second you are useless to them.

...right, according to the guardian report on feb 21, 67 people had been killed (the leader of the protest organisation claimed 70 protesters had died since tuesday of that week). the said newspaper, also published videos of police personnel with snipers placed a distance away from protesters. they were basically picking them off. explain that one to me. riot control, i understand; sniper police, no sunshine, you'll have to be a real moron to justify that.
"For now Albania may be America's "useful idiot" in the Balkans, but they will crush you too the second you are useless to them"
what this has to do with Ukraine is lost to me. would the Russians treat us better do you think? so shall we swap the evil American empire for the Russian one? you see, this is the problem with the anti-US/anti-West crowd, they paint themselves as anti-imperialist, when what they're really doing, is cheering for a different empire

You see, just like I said, Putin is getting ready to kill Ukrainians.

Putin's and criminal Yanukovych's death toll is currently at 82 (if not higher), but that figure will soon rise unfortunately.


No he is not, he is getting ready to protect the russians that are screaming for his help. Take he anti-russian and anti-serb blindfolds off for once in a while. You realize that you support a fasist government led by SVoboda right?

Let me give you a hint. There are no paid US agents working to dismember the US.
(Peggy, 1 March 2014 23:21)

Well, there are no paid US agent working to dismember any country because you just agreed with the CE of B92 forums sj that the US has run out of cash.

In addition, according to the CE of B92 forums sj, Russia is the only superpower with cash, so I wonder what is Russia waiting to pay agents to work to dismember US so that Kosovo can be returned to Serbia?! What is Russia waiting to pay agents to work to "convince" Ukrainians that Russia is the future?!

So the question still remains how comes that commentator's "imagination" does not turn into reality?!

P.S. CE = Chief Economist

Go Russia,this is the perfect time to get Belarus,Ukraine and Kazakstan
back into Russia and alter what this idiot and traitor Gorbachev sold away!

Obama is a weakling,the EU has zero military power !
The opinion of the Western fasicts states should be completely ignored!
(CG, 26 February 2014 21:22)

And which century you are living?????
what is the date your calendar tells you????
because A that like yours destroys generation to come
UNTIL WHEN YOU WANT TO BUILD AND RENOVATE AND NEVER BEING ABLE TO MOVE IN????

I think Crimea should hold an independence referendum as soon as possible and the rest of the world should take heed to avoid war. That idiot Khrushchev and other Soviet expansionists truly activated a time bomb by lumping on non-Ukrainian land (Crimea, Budzak, Bucovina, Donbass and Zakarpattia) onto this country historically, but from what I see, the two major potential flashpoints today are Donbass and Crimea, which have a significant Russian minority and Russian majority respectively.

Putin is right to have the interests of these Russians at heart and to defend them if need be, given that Ukraine is basically headless at the moment and would not be able to protect them themselves, but aside from that, I simply don't see that exact line of division of Ukraine until which Putin can have any influence.

It can be theoretically stated that 9 regions of South-East Ukraine are Russian-speaking, but I have yet to see evidence of them wanting to have the Ukraine split up into a pro-West and pro-Russian part. They are Ukrainians after all. On the other hand, I also cannot see either side bending to the political leanings of the other side.

To be honest, I do not see a way out for Ukraine. A split is hardly possible, people are too polarized and it seems, not willing for compromise. What a bloody mess!

BTW I am shocked to see some Serbs here advocating the reunion of the USSR. Isn't your own example of Yugoslavia an adequate example of how Marxist unions don't work?

Nikolle, your english is quite good, but if you don't know what "regular" means (normal, typical) then you need to continue with the lessons.

What's amazing is that you can't see the connection between these "protests" and western interference. Did you miss John Mc Cain and friends waltzing thru Kiev over the past few months demanding essentially that the Ukrainian gov be overthown?? They are open and proud about this! When I think about it, Yanukovych was actually quite a tolerant guy (or an idiot) giving these clowns visas into the country to so openly interfere like this.

And the question stands, who were the people wearing masks to obscure their identity, carrying military style weapons thru the streets when this began? Remember on the first day this got nasty, it was the police that lost a dozen men killed by gunfire, not the "protesters"... it was by these hired goons... and why still the masks? Afraid someone might recognise them and identify who they really are? Me thinks so.

Finally to the question of the USA's motive in doing this... I've already explained, in US eyes everything south of the north pole is strategically vital... I'm quite serious, this is what Americans think... why else in the last 20 years have they intervened in dozens of countries in every corner the world to impose their will? They are doing it because they can. Russia is just the biggest of many targets.

But even for America, this will be too big a mouthful to swallow...

I guess since you guys needed the word "regular" explained to you, I'll spell out the answer to your other questions as well.

I don't recall Vladimir Putin addressing the Occupy Wall St protesters demanding they storm the whitehouse, or AK47s and flak jackets being distributed amongst the crowd... so the "Ukrainian protesters" were I little bit different me thinks?

America, like others before it, wants as grand an empire as it can build... motivation is prestige, natural resources, etc .... what is new with America is they want every square cm of the globe, and, what is even more ridiculous, they expect all of their subjects to "love them" and expect them to "be like them"... and they are genuinely baffled why this isn't happening in so many places. Even many people amongst their more willing "allies" are sick and tired of them. Still, that is the definition of insanity, doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result.

As George Bush summed it up "you are either with us or against us"... since places like Russia insist on their sovereignty, they are in the "against us" camp and must be subdued.

OK - all clear guys?? It's all pretty obvious to the rest of us.

Occupy Wall St demonstrators didn't kill a dozen NYPD with gunfire did they? I suspect if they had, the US would have used helicopter gunships on the demonstrators... as I mentioned in first post, a few religious crazies with guns at Waco got the full treatment from US "law enforcement", inc tanks, I just looked up the death toll 4 police killed... then *87* of them.... Imagine then what US "security forces" would do if someone attempted to mount an armed uprising Ukraine style?

Give me a break Nikolle... you are very naive. American agression will not stand my friend.

...very interesting. do you know what, even if say a policeman gets killed (now who fired first seems to be open to debate, the protesters weren't armed before), the state should not retaliate by killing its citizens. no state should murder those it has pledged to serve, those that give it legitimacy. i appreciate that for people with an authoritarian mindset, this is a hard thing to grasp, but give it a try.
"American agression will not stand my friend." yep, i realize that i'm dealing with another one of the everything-is-the-fault-of-the-west crowd but still, i like to entertain myself. its really easy to blame the US for what happened in Ukraine (though I myself have never seen the connection) but a far more simple explanation is that Yanukovych didn't understand the mood of his people well enough.

Imagine then what US "security forces" would do if someone attempted to mount an armed uprising Ukraine style?
(commentator, 28 February 2014 11:10)

You hit the point dear with that key word "imagine"... The real question is why that imagination does not turn into reality in the US but only happens in Libya, Syria, Ukraine, etc.? Once you answer that question, you'll get all your answers.

It seems noone can beat Fungi on the popularity stakes.

You hit the point dear with that key word "imagine"... The real question is why that imagination does not turn into reality in the US but only happens in Libya, Syria, Ukraine, etc.? Once you answer that question, you'll get all your answers.
(icj1, 1 March 2014 13:33)
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Maybe it's you who should be thinking about why. You obviousy didn't think about it well enough before you answred.
Let me give you a hint. There are no paid US agents working to dismember the US.