Catalan independence referendum would be illegal - PM

"It is the entire Spanish people who have the capacity to decide what Spain is. No one can unilaterally deprive the entire Spanish people of the right to decide on their future," the prime minister explained.

Now you know why Spain will never recognize a unilaterally declared independent Kosovo - it's up to the entire people of a state to decide on their future, if they go different ways or not, and not up to an ethnic minority.

Mr. Rajoy,

I completely agree with you, unfortunately your allies in western europe and the u.s do not agree with you. That is until regions in their own respective countries hold referendum's for a unilateral declaration of independence.

...I wonder wether the Albanian crowd here will be as cheerful about an independence referendum in Northern Epirus as they are with the Catalonian one.
(Gotsefromohrid, 26 February 2014 15:04)...

I am from Northen Epirus and I am Albanian Orthodox.
There is no request for referenum there and if there will be a referendum there is no chence to succeed.98% of Northen Epirus are Albanian with 2% greeks and FYROM-as.So how in the hell can Northen Epirus be independent?

Could very well be the reason for Spain, however, you have to throw into the pot the brutality, the forced expulsions, the attempt to cleanse a whole group of people from the area. The total removal of the area by the UNSC of any control from the state. None of which took place in Catalan. A fact the supporters of the Milosevic regime continue to try to sweep under the rug.
(a New Day, 25 February 2014 23:
I know that's what the Kosovo Albanians are doing to Serbs in Kosovo right now, but I'm not sure what this has to do with the present situation. Also what does Milosevic have to do with that?

I wonder wether the Albanian crowd here will be as cheerful about an independence referendum in Northern Epirus as they are with the Catalonian one.

Mirela

Last census in Albania 15 per cent of the population believed to be Greek and Bulgarian orthodox refused to declare themselves.Do you think Bulgaria and Greece will ever allow Albania to join the Eu?Keep dreaming.

Comm. Parrisson

stupid comment. pick a state today and I can tell you it was created unilaterally. take serbia for starters. seriously, i'm trying to figure out what odd thing you're going to say next. to give you an analogy, it takes only one to file for divorce, it doesn't matter if the other doesn't agree. as for spain, well, i haven't seen the Spanish deal with the ETA by bombing and sending tanks to Basque villages, unlike your ideal state, Serbia

Now you know why Spain will never recognize a unilaterally declared independent Kosovo - it's up to the entire people of a state to decide on their future, if they go different ways or not, and not up to an ethnic minority.
(Comm. Parrisson, 25 February 2014 19:05)

If we follow this logic, none of the URSS new states should have had their independence.
There would have been no chance for lithuania or Estonia to gain their independence from Russia .
190 million rusian could have outnumbered everyone.
The indepwndence of a new country can be proclaimed when things don't work between two or more ethic groups.
Albanians and Serbs could not live in the same state specially after what Albanians have gone thought.
Spanish PM is doing a big mistake by not letting people of Catalonia to decide for themselves and this is contributing to the pro indepwndence movement.before the pro independence movement berely got 40% and now is more than 50%, thanks to Spanish PM.the same did Serbs with everyone in former YU.
In contrary England PM is OK with the referendum in Scotland and there the results are against independence.

This situations need smart people like Cameron and not dumb people like Milloshevich or Ryou.

It will be intersting when the shoe is on the Western foot. Scotland and Wales declare indepence from UK, Quebec from Canada and who knows - maybe even Texas from the US and a host of other states and regions around the globe. I'm guessing the ruling governments of the day will be less enthusiastic to accomodate this than they were with Kosovo.
(Darko, 26 February 2014 00:00)

I like the way you use the word "when" LOL. Unfortunately for you, none of this will happen because the majoroity of people in Scotland, Wales, Quebec and Texas don't want independence; you just want them to want independence.

If the US says it's legal, then it's legal.
They are masters of the universe, for now.

Northern Epirus

I have been reading this for a while now and have always wondered, why don't the Northern Epirots just go out and protest? who is stopping them? allegedly, there's around 300000 of them in Southern Albania, quite a number in a country with a population of 2.6 mill. let these Epirots, go out and protest and make it clear to the world that they're suppressed by the hateful Albanians. i mean, the Catalans & Albanians in Kosova made their majority known, why don't the Northern Epirots? maybe they're happy to live in Albania

It will be intersting when the shoe is on the Western foot. Scotland and Wales declare indepence from UK, Quebec from Canada and who knows - maybe even Texas from the US and a host of other states and regions around the globe. I'm guessing the ruling governments of the day will be less enthusiastic to accomodate this than they were with Kosovo.

Now you know why Spain will never recognize a unilaterally declared independent Kosovo - it's up to the entire people of a state to decide on their future, if they go different ways or not, and not up to an ethnic minority.
(Comm. Parrisson, 25 February 2014 19:05)

Not true referendum is for people of that Territory just look last country to become independent South Sudan.

(Comm. Parrisson, 25 February 2014 19:05)
Could very well be the reason for Spain, however, you have to throw into the pot the brutality, the forced expulsions, the attempt to cleanse a whole group of people from the area. The total removal of the area by the UNSC of any control from the state. None of which took place in Catalan. A fact the supporters of the Milosevic regime continue to try to sweep under the rug.

That's not correct. According to the CE of B92 forums sj, the US has collapsed and run out of cash and is all p... and wind!

P.S. CE = Chief Economist
(icj1, 27 February 2014 05:57)
=========================
He's right, they have run out of cash but their influence is still lingering.
Governments have interests and soon enough new powers will peek those interests.

I wonder wether the Albanian crowd here will be as cheerful about an independence referendum in Northern Epirus as they are with the Catalonian one.
(Gotsefromohrid, 26 February 2014 15:04)

Lets talk about this after having a referendum in Presevo, Vojvodina, Sandzak and Northern Greece.

Aloha!

That's not correct. According to the CE of B92 forums sj, the US has collapsed and run out of cash and is all p... and wind!

P.S. CE = Chief Economist
(icj1, 27 February 2014 05:57)
===…==
He's right, they have run out of cash but their influence is still lingering.
(Peggy, 27 February 2014 12:20)

really?! A collapsed and out-of-cash country has such great influence in the world?! That's like saying that Kosovo has influence in the world! Do you guys even put the mind in motion a bit before you write something?

Again, I'm not saying you are correct or not; just make your propaganda consistent and not contradictory.

What is so amazing is that Serbs love to promote the hypothetical situation of Texas seceding from the union as some great punishment for the US. Their ignorance is evident in the fact that they think the high Hispanic population is the the reason for any secession that could win support as a suppressed people. What a joke!
Secession movements are originated and promoted by the "good ole white boys" most of whom are actually adamantly against the high immigration levels. Those who think the US constitution which gives so much rights to minorities is misinterpreted and should instead establish a white ruling class.
These secessionists many left over from the civil rights days, fail to acquire enough support to actually make a strong case.

Mirela

Last census in Albania 15 per cent of the population believed to be Greek and Bulgarian orthodox refused to declare themselves.Do you think Bulgaria and Greece will ever allow Albania to join the Eu?...
(Gotsefromohrid, 26 February 2014 19:09)

I have told you may time ago,about the minotitis in Albania.
There are 9 villages with macedonias or bulgarians with 5 thousand people,not more.
There are 89 villages with greeks and their populations doesnt exceed 60 thousand.
There are 4-5 villages with serbs or montenegrin and 3-4 villages with serb or bosniak.
Greece spent a lot of money for albanian orthodox to claim as greeks but what we did,we took the money and claimed ourselves as albanians.That's why greeks are pissed.
This is the truth.I am from Korca and I know that even though there are albanians who take mone from greeks,they never say I am greek in the census.
I have a lot of friends who have done that.
This boycotting thing is a fairtale.
Macadonian minority better make up their mind,there are macedonian or bulgarian,because they play with both states.
The same goes for serbian or montenegrin in north and serbia or bosniaks in south Albania.
You can not have more than 100 thousands non albanian in Albania,and most of them now are working in Greece,they didnt count in the last census.
The last census was for the people who actuallly live in Albania and a lot of albanians who live in Greece,Italy or USA didnt count.
Sorry but the truth hurts.

If the US says it's legal, then it's legal.
They are masters of the universe, for now.
(Peggy, 26 February 2014 09:55)

That's not correct. According to the CE of B92 forums sj, the US has collapsed and run out of cash and is all p... and wind!

P.S. CE = Chief Economist

"Last census in Albania 15 per cent of the population believed to be Greek and Bulgarian orthodox refused to declare themselveS"

right, how do you know their percentage make up if they refused to declare themselves? seriously what odd thing are you going to write next?

Northern Epirus

I have been reading this for a while now and have always wondered, why don't the Northern Epirots just go out and protest? who is stopping them? allegedly, there's around 300000 of them in Southern Albania, quite a number in a country with a population of 2.6 mill. let these Epirots, go out and protest and make it clear to the world that they're suppressed by the hateful Albanians. i mean, the Catalans & Albanians in Kosova made their majority known, why don't the Northern Epirots? maybe they're happy to live in Albania

"It is the entire Spanish people who have the capacity to decide what Spain is. No one can unilaterally deprive the entire Spanish people of the right to decide on their future," the prime minister explained.

Now you know why Spain will never recognize a unilaterally declared independent Kosovo - it's up to the entire people of a state to decide on their future, if they go different ways or not, and not up to an ethnic minority.

...I wonder wether the Albanian crowd here will be as cheerful about an independence referendum in Northern Epirus as they are with the Catalonian one.
(Gotsefromohrid, 26 February 2014 15:04)...

I am from Northen Epirus and I am Albanian Orthodox.
There is no request for referenum there and if there will be a referendum there is no chence to succeed.98% of Northen Epirus are Albanian with 2% greeks and FYROM-as.So how in the hell can Northen Epirus be independent?

Comm. Parrisson

stupid comment. pick a state today and I can tell you it was created unilaterally. take serbia for starters. seriously, i'm trying to figure out what odd thing you're going to say next. to give you an analogy, it takes only one to file for divorce, it doesn't matter if the other doesn't agree. as for spain, well, i haven't seen the Spanish deal with the ETA by bombing and sending tanks to Basque villages, unlike your ideal state, Serbia

It will be intersting when the shoe is on the Western foot. Scotland and Wales declare indepence from UK, Quebec from Canada and who knows - maybe even Texas from the US and a host of other states and regions around the globe. I'm guessing the ruling governments of the day will be less enthusiastic to accomodate this than they were with Kosovo.
(Darko, 26 February 2014 00:00)

I like the way you use the word "when" LOL. Unfortunately for you, none of this will happen because the majoroity of people in Scotland, Wales, Quebec and Texas don't want independence; you just want them to want independence.

(Comm. Parrisson, 25 February 2014 19:05)
Could very well be the reason for Spain, however, you have to throw into the pot the brutality, the forced expulsions, the attempt to cleanse a whole group of people from the area. The total removal of the area by the UNSC of any control from the state. None of which took place in Catalan. A fact the supporters of the Milosevic regime continue to try to sweep under the rug.

If the US says it's legal, then it's legal.
They are masters of the universe, for now.

What is so amazing is that Serbs love to promote the hypothetical situation of Texas seceding from the union as some great punishment for the US. Their ignorance is evident in the fact that they think the high Hispanic population is the the reason for any secession that could win support as a suppressed people. What a joke!
Secession movements are originated and promoted by the "good ole white boys" most of whom are actually adamantly against the high immigration levels. Those who think the US constitution which gives so much rights to minorities is misinterpreted and should instead establish a white ruling class.
These secessionists many left over from the civil rights days, fail to acquire enough support to actually make a strong case.

Mr. Rajoy,

I completely agree with you, unfortunately your allies in western europe and the u.s do not agree with you. That is until regions in their own respective countries hold referendum's for a unilateral declaration of independence.

Now you know why Spain will never recognize a unilaterally declared independent Kosovo - it's up to the entire people of a state to decide on their future, if they go different ways or not, and not up to an ethnic minority.
(Comm. Parrisson, 25 February 2014 19:05)

If we follow this logic, none of the URSS new states should have had their independence.
There would have been no chance for lithuania or Estonia to gain their independence from Russia .
190 million rusian could have outnumbered everyone.
The indepwndence of a new country can be proclaimed when things don't work between two or more ethic groups.
Albanians and Serbs could not live in the same state specially after what Albanians have gone thought.
Spanish PM is doing a big mistake by not letting people of Catalonia to decide for themselves and this is contributing to the pro indepwndence movement.before the pro independence movement berely got 40% and now is more than 50%, thanks to Spanish PM.the same did Serbs with everyone in former YU.
In contrary England PM is OK with the referendum in Scotland and there the results are against independence.

This situations need smart people like Cameron and not dumb people like Milloshevich or Ryou.

I wonder wether the Albanian crowd here will be as cheerful about an independence referendum in Northern Epirus as they are with the Catalonian one.

Mirela

Last census in Albania 15 per cent of the population believed to be Greek and Bulgarian orthodox refused to declare themselves.Do you think Bulgaria and Greece will ever allow Albania to join the Eu?...
(Gotsefromohrid, 26 February 2014 19:09)

I have told you may time ago,about the minotitis in Albania.
There are 9 villages with macedonias or bulgarians with 5 thousand people,not more.
There are 89 villages with greeks and their populations doesnt exceed 60 thousand.
There are 4-5 villages with serbs or montenegrin and 3-4 villages with serb or bosniak.
Greece spent a lot of money for albanian orthodox to claim as greeks but what we did,we took the money and claimed ourselves as albanians.That's why greeks are pissed.
This is the truth.I am from Korca and I know that even though there are albanians who take mone from greeks,they never say I am greek in the census.
I have a lot of friends who have done that.
This boycotting thing is a fairtale.
Macadonian minority better make up their mind,there are macedonian or bulgarian,because they play with both states.
The same goes for serbian or montenegrin in north and serbia or bosniaks in south Albania.
You can not have more than 100 thousands non albanian in Albania,and most of them now are working in Greece,they didnt count in the last census.
The last census was for the people who actuallly live in Albania and a lot of albanians who live in Greece,Italy or USA didnt count.
Sorry but the truth hurts.

If the US says it's legal, then it's legal.
They are masters of the universe, for now.
(Peggy, 26 February 2014 09:55)

That's not correct. According to the CE of B92 forums sj, the US has collapsed and run out of cash and is all p... and wind!

P.S. CE = Chief Economist

"Last census in Albania 15 per cent of the population believed to be Greek and Bulgarian orthodox refused to declare themselveS"

right, how do you know their percentage make up if they refused to declare themselves? seriously what odd thing are you going to write next?

Could very well be the reason for Spain, however, you have to throw into the pot the brutality, the forced expulsions, the attempt to cleanse a whole group of people from the area. The total removal of the area by the UNSC of any control from the state. None of which took place in Catalan. A fact the supporters of the Milosevic regime continue to try to sweep under the rug.
(a New Day, 25 February 2014 23:
I know that's what the Kosovo Albanians are doing to Serbs in Kosovo right now, but I'm not sure what this has to do with the present situation. Also what does Milosevic have to do with that?

That's not correct. According to the CE of B92 forums sj, the US has collapsed and run out of cash and is all p... and wind!

P.S. CE = Chief Economist
(icj1, 27 February 2014 05:57)
===…==
He's right, they have run out of cash but their influence is still lingering.
(Peggy, 27 February 2014 12:20)

really?! A collapsed and out-of-cash country has such great influence in the world?! That's like saying that Kosovo has influence in the world! Do you guys even put the mind in motion a bit before you write something?

Again, I'm not saying you are correct or not; just make your propaganda consistent and not contradictory.

It will be intersting when the shoe is on the Western foot. Scotland and Wales declare indepence from UK, Quebec from Canada and who knows - maybe even Texas from the US and a host of other states and regions around the globe. I'm guessing the ruling governments of the day will be less enthusiastic to accomodate this than they were with Kosovo.

Mirela

Last census in Albania 15 per cent of the population believed to be Greek and Bulgarian orthodox refused to declare themselves.Do you think Bulgaria and Greece will ever allow Albania to join the Eu?Keep dreaming.

Now you know why Spain will never recognize a unilaterally declared independent Kosovo - it's up to the entire people of a state to decide on their future, if they go different ways or not, and not up to an ethnic minority.
(Comm. Parrisson, 25 February 2014 19:05)

Not true referendum is for people of that Territory just look last country to become independent South Sudan.

I wonder wether the Albanian crowd here will be as cheerful about an independence referendum in Northern Epirus as they are with the Catalonian one.
(Gotsefromohrid, 26 February 2014 15:04)

Lets talk about this after having a referendum in Presevo, Vojvodina, Sandzak and Northern Greece.

Aloha!

That's not correct. According to the CE of B92 forums sj, the US has collapsed and run out of cash and is all p... and wind!

P.S. CE = Chief Economist
(icj1, 27 February 2014 05:57)
=========================
He's right, they have run out of cash but their influence is still lingering.
Governments have interests and soon enough new powers will peek those interests.