Dačić: Excavation in Rudnica to continue

(Helsingborg, 16 December 2013 11:06)
All credible sources put the number of victims, whether it be death assault, rapes, and expulsions of Albanians to far exceed that of Serbs, yet Serbs suffered most because their pride was bruised because they received most of the blame.
That's rich.

Helsingborg, 16 December 2013 12:53)
I guess the difference is if you look at accepted facts and numbers or if you want to try and create a difference. By the way any credible proof to that organ gouging or just more rumors to try and play the victim? Ironic you take that for fact with no proof, but yet deny what has been proven. Maybe its time to accept your responsibility and move on with your life. You can spend the rest of your days screaming Serbs are the real victims here and it will not change history.

Serbia should shed light on this crime. Responsible must be prosecuted and the penalties. On the other hand, Serbia must not forget the crimes against Serbs committed in Kosovo, Bosnia, Croatia ... All the victims are equally important, regardless of their nationality. But Serbia has an obligation to show to the world all about the crimes committed against Serbs, and tried to take off the charge that the crimes were carried out mostly by Serbs. This is not true.

Think again- you see that is the problem. You refuse to acknowledge that Serbia has paid a huge price and apologised a 1000 times for it's crimes. No punishment will satisfy someone like you. You are a hater, and a bigot of the highest order. You will never acknowledge the disproportionate treatment Serbia has received, that in the ICTY Serbs have received 98% of the sentences. Anyone in their right mind and has any knowledge of events can see this as an injustice. But you can't, can you?
You troll Serbian sites looking for an argument, and when you get one you refuse to consider it. You have no argument, just propaganda and hearsay. In your myopia, Serbs are guilty for everything.Nothing regarding Serbs is taken in the context in which it occurred. And what has been proven, Serbia has paid for a long time ago.
Trying to reason with people like you makes it clear that peace in the former Yugoslavia will be a long road, with little help from your sort.
And lets look at the statistics, and refute ONE of them. In Bosnia, casualties were exactly along ethnic lines. In Kosovo, there were far more Serbian civiilan casualaties than Albanian. In Croatia? Well forget it. One tries to reason, to find an understanding, but you are fearful of the truth. But deep down you know, and when the world realises it, your argument will fail and everyone will see you for what you are, a common liar. Peace.

Helsingborg has a good point.

Everyone know that 8500+ men and boys were killed by Serbs at Srebrenica, for example, and another 3000 or so at Visegrad, but no one talks about Serbian suffering around the world when people talk about that. It really hurts a lot off people's feelings hearing people talk about this and this suffering must also be acknowledged. I mean think about it. Those people are already dead. People who's feelings get hurt when they hear about bad things "their" people did can have those feeling hurt over and over again for the rest of their lives.

When you add it all up, the suffering is equal, if not a lot more after a few years.

Think again-time to think again. Proportionally there were far more Serbian civilian casualties than Albanian. You can't just think there were c. 10000 Albanian casualties (this is a high number). Maybe YOU can though. And rapes? Really? What about gouging out the organs of living prisoners?

There was a lot of suffering all around. If you look at things today the Serbs suffered the most. They took 100% of the blame and punishment from the outside world. This actually should be an opportunity for everyone to establish the actual number of deaths in Kosovo , and who died. Lets get to the bottom of it. There were 100000, then 3000, then 7000 now 10000. A bit ghoulish but the truth needs to be known. A truth and reconciliation commission in the Balkans would do a lot of good IMHO.

think again, calm down. there hasn't be proof like you are claiming. this action is the first step towards building that proof. however, there are numerous offically accepted numbers, and numerous officially conducted reports that show there was a significicant number of non-albanians that were slaughtered. it wasn't just the albainians that were slaughtered in kosovo, nor was it just the bosniaks, or croatians that were slaughtered in those territories respectively. it is rich to talk about bruised egos, and hurt feelings when you vehemently try to down play the events of others only to inflate those of your own tribes. please think again and use a touch of humanity. perhaps you can argue appropriately that it wasn't shown to ANY of those that were slaughtered, by the bringers of death, but it is time for the rest of us to.
Allow for the investigations to happen, encourage them to happen in every corner of the former yugoslavia. allow those that mourn without closure to perhaps gain a bit of peace of mind, if nothing else. fight for truth, both comfortable and uncomfortable.
it is very evident that serbia has taken the brunt of the punishment, yet it is not as evident that they were proportionately as evil as their punishments have been.
many people had their lives ended abruptly, and it doesn't matter who they once were, they all desereve humanity, be they albainia, roma, croat, bosniak, serb, macedonian, montenegrin, hungariuan, etc.

No where is there evidence that there were more Serbian casualties than Albanian and until you realize that there is no argument. Helzingborg, heres your chance show me one non Serbian biased source that shows more Serbian casualties than Albanian. A simple challenge. I do not hate the Serbian people but I do hate those who manipulate numbers and outright lie.
jollyroger, Your post is a bit confusing, I never said that no Serbs were killed in Kosovo, but the numbers are no where close to equal and the victim numbers is vastly in the Albanian corner, to try and say that it is the opposite is ludicrous. I agree with your statements on letting the investigations take place but why do you not say that to those who claim the organ harvesting as fact when already 2 investigations have not shown credible evidence and the third is in process but has not yet yielded results. Should you not be chastising those who claim that it did without evidence. Notice I have not said it did not. It is a possibility that on some small scale it could have been attempted but it is highly improbable it was successful or that it reached numbers anywhere close to what the Serb camp claim. Marty himself said in his report that if it did happen the numbers would be in the 10's and not the 100's as claimed.

oops, my message disappeared, must be all the static from here to belgrade. anyway, the crux of the matter is - this is not just about this "new" mass grave in serbia (fr 1999) altho that's important and we've been calling for its exhumation since may 2010, altho kandic was writing about it in 2004 but never mind.

this latest serbian-creatted mass grave is just 1 little part of a massive cover-up fr the milosevic era. yes, it happened during the milosevic era - there were and are hundreds of mass graves throughout the balkans thanks to milosevic and his many willing executions, some of whom still freely walk yr streets. but that is just old news.

the "new" news is not the original genocide and cover up, but the cover-up of the cover-up. it means that djindjic in 2001 opened up SOme of the gravesites, and that was a pretty horrible picture, with the remains of almost 1,000 albanian men, women and children (and yes babies) dug up and painfully slowly doled out to Kosova (that better not be repeated!)

but it goes far beyond that - to the other mass graves still left unopened, and to the secret security files that reveal all of the horrors and atrocities, including the industrialized burning of bodies. that is the horrible and beastly scandal, which the regimes that came after are guilty of. so wake up meadia, and wake up, west.

Thunk- these statistics are easy to find. The OSCE is just one. Serb civilians were about 10% of the Kosovo population, while they suffered approx 30% of the civilian casualties. The exact percentage is yet to be decided, but certainly more than 25% but less than 37%. That is why it is worth establishing the precise numbers and victims. So bulls**t artists like yourself are put back in their box.

Danilo- yes, the truth sometimes hurts.

Think again-time to think again. Proportionally there were far more Serbian civilian casualties than Albanian. You can't just think there were c. 10000 Albanian casualties (this is a high number). Maybe YOU can though. And rapes? Really? What about gouging out the organs of living prisoners?

There was a lot of suffering all around. If you look at things today the Serbs suffered the most. They took 100% of the blame and punishment from the outside world. This actually should be an opportunity for everyone to establish the actual number of deaths in Kosovo , and who died. Lets get to the bottom of it. There were 100000, then 3000, then 7000 now 10000. A bit ghoulish but the truth needs to be known. A truth and reconciliation commission in the Balkans would do a lot of good IMHO.

Serbia should shed light on this crime. Responsible must be prosecuted and the penalties. On the other hand, Serbia must not forget the crimes against Serbs committed in Kosovo, Bosnia, Croatia ... All the victims are equally important, regardless of their nationality. But Serbia has an obligation to show to the world all about the crimes committed against Serbs, and tried to take off the charge that the crimes were carried out mostly by Serbs. This is not true.

Helsingborg has a good point.

Everyone know that 8500+ men and boys were killed by Serbs at Srebrenica, for example, and another 3000 or so at Visegrad, but no one talks about Serbian suffering around the world when people talk about that. It really hurts a lot off people's feelings hearing people talk about this and this suffering must also be acknowledged. I mean think about it. Those people are already dead. People who's feelings get hurt when they hear about bad things "their" people did can have those feeling hurt over and over again for the rest of their lives.

When you add it all up, the suffering is equal, if not a lot more after a few years.

(Helsingborg, 16 December 2013 11:06)
All credible sources put the number of victims, whether it be death assault, rapes, and expulsions of Albanians to far exceed that of Serbs, yet Serbs suffered most because their pride was bruised because they received most of the blame.
That's rich.

Helsingborg, 16 December 2013 12:53)
I guess the difference is if you look at accepted facts and numbers or if you want to try and create a difference. By the way any credible proof to that organ gouging or just more rumors to try and play the victim? Ironic you take that for fact with no proof, but yet deny what has been proven. Maybe its time to accept your responsibility and move on with your life. You can spend the rest of your days screaming Serbs are the real victims here and it will not change history.

think again, calm down. there hasn't be proof like you are claiming. this action is the first step towards building that proof. however, there are numerous offically accepted numbers, and numerous officially conducted reports that show there was a significicant number of non-albanians that were slaughtered. it wasn't just the albainians that were slaughtered in kosovo, nor was it just the bosniaks, or croatians that were slaughtered in those territories respectively. it is rich to talk about bruised egos, and hurt feelings when you vehemently try to down play the events of others only to inflate those of your own tribes. please think again and use a touch of humanity. perhaps you can argue appropriately that it wasn't shown to ANY of those that were slaughtered, by the bringers of death, but it is time for the rest of us to.
Allow for the investigations to happen, encourage them to happen in every corner of the former yugoslavia. allow those that mourn without closure to perhaps gain a bit of peace of mind, if nothing else. fight for truth, both comfortable and uncomfortable.
it is very evident that serbia has taken the brunt of the punishment, yet it is not as evident that they were proportionately as evil as their punishments have been.
many people had their lives ended abruptly, and it doesn't matter who they once were, they all desereve humanity, be they albainia, roma, croat, bosniak, serb, macedonian, montenegrin, hungariuan, etc.

Thunk- these statistics are easy to find. The OSCE is just one. Serb civilians were about 10% of the Kosovo population, while they suffered approx 30% of the civilian casualties. The exact percentage is yet to be decided, but certainly more than 25% but less than 37%. That is why it is worth establishing the precise numbers and victims. So bulls**t artists like yourself are put back in their box.

Think again- you see that is the problem. You refuse to acknowledge that Serbia has paid a huge price and apologised a 1000 times for it's crimes. No punishment will satisfy someone like you. You are a hater, and a bigot of the highest order. You will never acknowledge the disproportionate treatment Serbia has received, that in the ICTY Serbs have received 98% of the sentences. Anyone in their right mind and has any knowledge of events can see this as an injustice. But you can't, can you?
You troll Serbian sites looking for an argument, and when you get one you refuse to consider it. You have no argument, just propaganda and hearsay. In your myopia, Serbs are guilty for everything.Nothing regarding Serbs is taken in the context in which it occurred. And what has been proven, Serbia has paid for a long time ago.
Trying to reason with people like you makes it clear that peace in the former Yugoslavia will be a long road, with little help from your sort.
And lets look at the statistics, and refute ONE of them. In Bosnia, casualties were exactly along ethnic lines. In Kosovo, there were far more Serbian civiilan casualaties than Albanian. In Croatia? Well forget it. One tries to reason, to find an understanding, but you are fearful of the truth. But deep down you know, and when the world realises it, your argument will fail and everyone will see you for what you are, a common liar. Peace.

oops, my message disappeared, must be all the static from here to belgrade. anyway, the crux of the matter is - this is not just about this "new" mass grave in serbia (fr 1999) altho that's important and we've been calling for its exhumation since may 2010, altho kandic was writing about it in 2004 but never mind.

this latest serbian-creatted mass grave is just 1 little part of a massive cover-up fr the milosevic era. yes, it happened during the milosevic era - there were and are hundreds of mass graves throughout the balkans thanks to milosevic and his many willing executions, some of whom still freely walk yr streets. but that is just old news.

the "new" news is not the original genocide and cover up, but the cover-up of the cover-up. it means that djindjic in 2001 opened up SOme of the gravesites, and that was a pretty horrible picture, with the remains of almost 1,000 albanian men, women and children (and yes babies) dug up and painfully slowly doled out to Kosova (that better not be repeated!)

but it goes far beyond that - to the other mass graves still left unopened, and to the secret security files that reveal all of the horrors and atrocities, including the industrialized burning of bodies. that is the horrible and beastly scandal, which the regimes that came after are guilty of. so wake up meadia, and wake up, west.

No where is there evidence that there were more Serbian casualties than Albanian and until you realize that there is no argument. Helzingborg, heres your chance show me one non Serbian biased source that shows more Serbian casualties than Albanian. A simple challenge. I do not hate the Serbian people but I do hate those who manipulate numbers and outright lie.
jollyroger, Your post is a bit confusing, I never said that no Serbs were killed in Kosovo, but the numbers are no where close to equal and the victim numbers is vastly in the Albanian corner, to try and say that it is the opposite is ludicrous. I agree with your statements on letting the investigations take place but why do you not say that to those who claim the organ harvesting as fact when already 2 investigations have not shown credible evidence and the third is in process but has not yet yielded results. Should you not be chastising those who claim that it did without evidence. Notice I have not said it did not. It is a possibility that on some small scale it could have been attempted but it is highly improbable it was successful or that it reached numbers anywhere close to what the Serb camp claim. Marty himself said in his report that if it did happen the numbers would be in the 10's and not the 100's as claimed.

Danilo- yes, the truth sometimes hurts.