U.S. accuses Assad of "destroying evidence"

Bob,
Spare us your neocon warmongering lies and propaganda. The US are fighting al Qaeda in Afghanistan and helping them in Lybia, Egypt, and Syria. You are warmongering retards who are controlled by the military industrial complex and for you war = $. The more blood that flows the better the share price of Northrop Grumman, Raytheon, Boeing....etc.
this is déjà Vu all over again. Just like the staged breadline massacre and Racak hoax, the NATO war criminals are now using the same tactics to justify yet another money making war. The Islamic fanatic rebels used poison gas, and were for sure guided by the CIA, this is yet another complete fabrication and lie which is constantly repeated by the ignorant and corrupt media. This charade would be comical if it wasn't so tragic. Basically, the US and the west are controlled by NATO war criminals and war profiteers, and have become pure evil. The good thing though, evil self destructs.
Cheers!!

Spot on Dragan.It is obvious to most that the west is increasingly desperate by the failure of their Al Qaeda proxies to force the regime change they have demanded in Syria , so they are once again, as in Iraq and Libya, considering chemical weapons and all other false flags to achieve their strategic geopolitical goals which also includes Iran.

http://www.presstv.com/detail/2013/06/16/309276/uk-planned-war-on-syria-before-unrest/

From day one of this conflict the West and its puppet "allies" in the Gulf and Turkey have only ever had one plan for Syria - regime change.The West has used up all its political and social capital to continue moralizing. No-one trusts it at home or abroad and with good reason.Who recently used depleted uranium bombs? What about using white phosphorous bombs in Iraq & Libya?John Kerry is quite the expert in chemical warfare. He was fighting in Vietnam when the Americans were dumping napalm indiscriminately over the Vietnamese. Deformed babies are still born there thanks to John and his buddies.

The war in Syria and Iran wont be the last.These western parasitic politicians won't stop at anything until they lead us all to mutual destruction. They've got to be stopped starting with Syria.

Bob

Your rightwing trolling is well known on this site.Where were your comments when natowas using radioactive bombs in Serbia and Iraq?Have you seen Iraqi children born with no limbs?
The likes of you and Ian should hold youd heads in shame.

You might be right in what you think, but that does not stop Assad doing killing of innocent people.

You have a chip on your shoulder - possibly with cause - but that does not justify being anti an intervention to stamp out chemical weapon use.
(Bob, 27 August 2013 15:41)

So I might be right, but you want to bomb the Assad regime - which includes Christians who will be beheaded and massacred if Al Quada get on power per US wishes - am I getting this right Bob? You're a very ignorant man, with absolutely no ability to compose a logical thought. Why don't you bomb the islamic fantatical rebels who are responsible for so many grotesque crimes (watch them on youtube) including this chemical weapons hoax? Why are you again supporting the bombing of the victims and supporting the Al Quada nutjobs? Why do fight these radicals in Afghanistan and support them elsewhere? Tell us Bob, I'm interested to hear your warped logic. You told me before that 'Serbia was your business'. It's truly scary that people like you Bob, are advising governments on what to do. No wonder the world is such a mess. I suggest a new profession for you, you're a joke and a complete failure. McDonalds is looking for hamburger flippers.
Cheers!!

The pot{U S A}calling the kettle black? The U S A {and C I A]have destroyed more evidence than any other country,and still do!P S ZIVIO Dragan!

Daily Telegraph 02 June 2013

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/al-qaeda/10094187/Iraq-arrests-five-in-al-Qaeda-chemical-weapons-plot.html

Iraq arrests five in 'al-Qaeda chemical weapons plot'

Al-Qaeda planned to strike targets in Iraq, Europe and North America with chemical weapons, according to the Baghdad government.

Five men have been arrested in Iraq and three makeshift laboratories, allegedly designed to produce sarin and mustard gas, have been uncovered...


It couldn't possibly be anyone else when the West is so desperate to get involved in Syria could it? The Baghdad story has been almost totally ignored by all the major media outlets this time around. If this is the kind of journalism that the experts practice, then it is no surprise that western journalists are considered the media arm of the government and are targeted. Shocking, but true (in certain cases).

The most interesting comments I have seen so far are:

1: Foaming at the mouth is not indicative of chemical weapons use and that the white consistency shown in rebel videos is at odds with the color that would be produced by chemical weapons (blood and other liquids would be present).

2: The vast majority of those affected by the gas have survived and have fully recovered - this is not consistent with mass use of chemical weapons. There is a theory that a small quantity of sarin was used in particular places but that the rest was not sarin. Citing the previous link posted on Al Queda weapons lab in Iraq, it is conceivable that this event could have been carried out by the rebels if they have got hold of large quantities of other chemicals such as chlorine (medical/water filtration use) or other more accessible chemicals, possibly odorless as chlorine is green etc. It would explain why most survived and only a relative few died.

If the West launches strikes knowing that this is a possibility before ruling it out or simply covering it up, then they will be complicit in war crimes and crimes against humanity. It's not a secret that they can hope to keep for decades. There will be leaks.

Either way, I expect them to do something stupid and claim innocence.

Dragan

I think you are overdoing the personal abuse. You are also over generalising on the basis of your own predudices.

As they say in the states "have a nice day".

Luv

Bob
(Bob, 27 August 2013 21:30)

Just as I suspected, you avoid answering a simple question, because of course you have no answer. It exposes you for the fraud that you are. You think this is over the top personal abuse Bob? LOL...you 'aint seen nothin' dude. If it wasn't for B92's editors I'd really let you have it. It's people like you, Bob, who are responsible for hundreds of thousands of deaths around the globe - yes, ignorant diplomats and 'advisors' like you are neck deep in blood. I don't know how you can sleep at night after what you've accomplished in the Balkans. No morals, no guilt, I guess? I really have not gone far enough with the abuse Bob. People like you are part of the evil military industrial complex that promote war and run the world at the moment. Your reign is temporary, as you are on the road to bankruptcy (there are many Detroits coming), and I can't wait to see you crash and burn :). Stick that in your pipe and smoke it.
Cheers!!

"The war in Syria and Iran wont be the last"

Leonidas


I think the war in Syria will be NATO War No. 6.

1=Yugoslavia
2=Afganistan
3=Iraq
4=Ivory Coast
5=Libya
6=Syria
7=Lebanon (still in planning)
8=Iran (still in planning)
9=?
10=?
11=Russia
12=China

War is the only Export the Americans and Btitish have. They export their expensive bombs to murder foreigners. Once their stockpiles of weapons are depleted, the Americans and Brits can order fresh supplies and so keep local weapons factories in full employment.

(Nikolle, 29 August 2013 13:24)

And there are words for people like you - organ snatching church burning human trafficking heroin dealing history usurping parasitic uneducated terrorists.

Cheers!!

It's just too convenient. UN chemical weapons inspectors are coming to investigate in Syria, and just day after their arrival chemical weapon is used just 4 kilometers from their hotel in Damascus allegedly by the army that was doing fine and gaining in this war.
Assad decided to get US involved by all costs?!?!

Then, there is a possibility that he did it. Assad family was brought to power by CIA back in 70's.
This fact is enough for me to consider Assad a thug.
Death squads that ravaged South America, Saddam Hussein, Bin Laden, etc.
When was the last time CIA backed anybody even resembling normal person?

To the normal person this proposed action against Syria is pure insanity. However, there is more to this than just removing Assad from power.

The west cannot apply a no fly zone because of the heavy losses they would sustain as the Syrians are well armed with surface to air missiles. A land invasion? No not after Iraq and Afghanistan plus the US citizens are all war weary.

So what is the reason for this? Simple it’s to take away the peoples’ eyes from their internal troubles and focus them elsewhere. There are large tracks of the US which are crumbling as infrastructure is literally falling apart through non maintenance or just plain in need replacing. It debt is rising by the second and they expect to have an 18 trillion IOU by December this year and this does not take into account the debt owed by states.

France and the UK are not too far away economic catastrophe so they all join in this escapade. The UK has eliminated about 1 million government jobs alone.

Will this action cause regime change? No. However, they will target certain infrastructure to help out the rebels – you know the ones who cut out a human heart and eat it or who stop a truck drive and shoot him for no reason.

Once again I smell another big fat porkie pie from sj.
(Ian, UK, 28 August 2013 11:45)

I think the big fat porkies is your domain and not sjs.In fact sj underestimated the number of people in UK that lost their jobs since the recession started.

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2013/02/20/redundancy-figures-show-one-in-seven-brits-lost-job-since-2008_n_2723361.html

Your government has been feeding you lies with statistics regarding inflation,unemployment and debt.Don't believe me? You obviously don't do any shopping, then!Just look at the prices of food, energy, petrol, postage, housing etc. Many items have doubled in price since 2008 but you are told inflation is 2.8%.Look at the debt levels,since 2010 debt is gone up by £ 400 billion and this figure does'nt include the Bank bailouts which amounted to more than £850 billion.

The British economy will, without doubt, implode at some point. That is certain. The Tory answer to a failing economy is to go to war in Syria. It's like night following day and the sheeple like yourself will just follow.

Dragan

I think you are overdoing the personal abuse. You are also over generalising on the basis of your own predudices.

As they say in the states "have a nice day".

Luv

Bob

What decade are you living in? This is 2013. If we want to bomb someone like Assad's forces who have fancy Russian toys, we'll Electro Magnetic Pulse them before hand to stop them from working.
(Ian, UK, 28 August 2013 14:30)

Ian, you have been watching too many Star trek movies. Your going to electro pulse the entire country eh?

As I have said many times before the people living in the west are the best brainwashed and this is despite evidence to the contrary staring them right in their face.

Once again I smell another big fat porkie pie from sj.
(Ian, UK, 28 August 2013 11:45)

I take my hat off to Leonidas as he has the patience of a saint spending time to write a detailed intelligent response to ramblings like yours.

Ian do you have the faintest idea what it means to take out of the system 1 million salaries? I have recently seen where a state government closed down a regional centre with about 20 jobs lost at say $70,000 average salary to a city of about 150 000 people. The effects were immediate and it was felt by everyone, from the petrol station owner to the supermarket. And your telling me that the UK has not felt this massive downsizing?

Out of curiosity what is your position in the UK health sector?

It is quite within the realms of possibility:

- he has the chemical weapons
- he is not signed up to the chemical weapons treaty
- he wants to terrorise people and has shown no regard for civilian life
- he has China and Russia trapped into supporting his cause

Even if he didn't use chemical weapons, the world should react with force to even the possibility that he did.

We cannot have chemical weapons used in this world and need to stamp hard and PREEMPTIVELY on their use.

I suggest that a no-fly zone would do much to prevent possible future use of chemical weapons in Syria.

...you defend murdering civilians and generating vast numbers of refugees just to keep a minority government of thugs in power. You like to link this to fighting Islamists when in fact it originated with democratic protests of the Syrian people that were fired on by Assad's snipers.

If Syria got rid of its chemical weapons and signed the international treaty on the subject, this would not be an issue.

It is not right wing to be anti chemical weapons, or to support police actions to stamp them out.

Assad is the right wing thug - and those who support him are supporting vicious fascism.

Gotsefromohrid - the shame is on you...

Think about it before you knee jerk with your trolling accusations again.

I don't really want the US to have to intervene - I would prefer it if Russia and China would put a stop to the killing and the chemical weapon stocks - it is within their power, but not within their selfish political interest.

Dragan

I am not interested in sparing you anything.

You might be right in what you think, but that does not stop Assad doing killing of innocent people.

You have a chip on your shoulder - possibly with cause - but that does not justify being anti an intervention to stamp out chemical weapon use.

The West's timing is certainly suspect. This has been going on for 2 years with over 100,000 lives lost and now that UN inspectors are in the country (and being stalled at every turn) the West wants to launch air strikes. Cooler heads would say let the inspectors at least make the attempt first before rattling the sabers, but cooler heads have never prevailed during the last 2 years. These recent developments place the UN inspectors at risk and I assume they are now trying to evacuate. Where was the West 2 years ago? I suspect the West is trying to divert attention away from the current problems with Obamacare, the economy and the Snowden revelations on homeland snooping.

(Ian

Your usual fallacies trying to impress the ignorant crowd.British tourism in Greece, though welcomed,is confined to the bottom end of the market(young people with no purchasing power) and the lack of it won't have any seismic consequences on the Greek economy.Tourism in total is only 14% of the GDP whereas the Greek shipping industry, the largest in the world, accounts for more than 30 percent of the income derived from services.Total Greek exports for 2012 were €27.6 billion made up by food and tobacco processing, textiles, chemicals, metal products; mining, petroleum.

On the other hand exports in UK economy constitute only 9% of its total economy with the rest being made up from the services sector.The main advantage the UK has over Greece at the moment is its ability to manage its own economy how it sees it fit(printing & debasing its currency).If the BOE stopped printing, the UK government would be insolvent because the government's expenditure is well above to its tax take- and that's if it didn't dump the £375bn of gilts that its bought back on the open market.Have you ever imagined the cuts in public expenditure needed to get government spending within sight of its tax revenues?You must be talking of a cut of around 20%.Imagine the strikes.
Worse still imagine the riots.The'something should be done about it' brigade would have a field day.I reckon they'll still be printing money 5 years from now.I wonder what the cost of living will be five years from now.

An intervention would serve as a perfect smokescreen to hide and make people forget about the West's economic problems.
(Ian, UK, 29 August 2013 13:00)
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Worked in Monicagate.

And if the UK economy does implode, things are going to get even worse for Greece. As the saying goes "You aint seen nothing yet".
(Ian, UK, 28 August 2013 1

It depends what do you mean by "government".But if you take the broad meaning which includes the traditional civil service + local authority jobs then sj is more than right.Most local authorities in UK have either closed or privatized their services.
Now Greece is being into continuous crises since 2008 and it will continue to be so unless its people decide to leave the discredited euroland.With regard to UK when the next crisis implodes(you're not far away)the burning and looting in Brixton,Tottenham and Hackney few years back will seem like playing "cops and robbers in the park).

The world would be a safer place if Russia neuter the UK and would force them under the threat of severe military action to split up into England, Wales, Scotland and N. Ireland with put a "Berlin wall" on the boundaries; maybe then the UK would stop pulling th US into new wars every few years.

(Ian, UK, 29 August 2013 09:45)

We agree to differ but,as I've said to you before,I do not hold any enmity towards yourself or the British people in general.The article was about Syria and let me ask you whether you think it would be better spending the money on health and education in the UK, instead of rerunning Iraq.

BTW The Greek supermarkets are selling mostly products made in Greece.

Even if al-Assad ain't unleashing chemical weapons against his people the word is he's a thug and if he's a thug he's a scumbag who deserves to have his power usurped.

Oooh, isn't Assad cunning, destroying all the evidence, but that won't stop the empire, the empire always knows - even with zero evidence - it knows its always right.

The Saudi's have been ordering Washington and London to do their bidding again I see.

and who here is blaming Assad? you guys are saying its not our war, let them sort if out. yes, they are sorting it out, they're gassing each other to death. if we take your advise, we just let them keep at it. it was good of the world not to interfere in Rwanda as well wasn't it?

Did you ever wonder why the US didnt intervene in Rwanda?Because their only interest is OIL and Money, they dont give a damn about democracy or freedom. Are you really that stupid to think that the US gives a shit about a couple of arabs getting killed? The americans are nothing but warmongering, selfish bastards that terrorize the whole world. They create war and trouble allower the world. Vietnam, Iraq, Libya, Syria, Serbia, Afghanistan. 6 wars in 50 years, dont u see the pattern?

I don't believe a word the US says. They have been proven liars in the past and it's obvious they have had this plan in place for years.
Just like with Iraq, Lybia etc. the US has had their tentacles in that part of the world and stirring up trouble.
Remember WMDs? Lies.
The only people using chemical weapons are the Jihadists (Muslim brotherhood) and the US has been supporting them in every country there.
Shameless American government has already too much blood on their hands and now they want more and blame the wrong side too.

Not saying that anyone is innocent because a civil war is horrible and makes criminals and victims out of all but the US is not to be believed.
What happened to that Nobel Peace Prize Obama won? Why, for what? He is the biggest war monger and always supporting extremists.

I think the big fat porkies is your domain and not sjs.In fact sj underestimated the number of people in UK that lost their jobs since the recession started.

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Your government has been feeding you lies with statistics regarding inflation,unemployment and debt.Don't believe me? You obviously don't do any shopping, then!Just look at the prices of food, energy, petrol, postage, housing etc. Many items have doubled in price since 2008 but you are told inflation is 2.8%.Look at the debt levels,since 2010 debt is gone up by £ 400 billion and this figure does'nt include the Bank bailouts which amounted to more than £850 billion.

The British economy will, without doubt, implode at some point. That is certain. The Tory answer to a failing economy is to go to war in Syria. It's like night following day and the sheeple like yourself will just follow.
(Leonidas, 28 August 2013 14:10)

You appear to have overlooked the word "government", sj was referring to government jobs (not all jobs as a whole); which I'm guessing means public sector jobs.

I don't even disagree with what you're saying.

And if the UK economy does implode, things are going to get even worse for Greece. As the saying goes "You aint seen nothing yet".

(Leonidas, 28 August 2013 16:04)

I already said, what is mean by Government job, Public Sector jobs.

No, Greece's economy will continue to deteriorate even if you leave the Eurozone. You've said that the UK is next. If that happens, you can forget about the billions of income Greece gets from British tourists alone. Then other Eurozone countries are going to loose out from a lack of British tourists, Spain especially with an average of 11-12 Million Brits visiting each year. This will affect have a huge affect on the rest of the Eurozone. France, Germany and Italy will be f****d. They will all go down the drain too. The rest of the Balkans is dependent of hand outs from Western Europe. That means no tourists left for Greece's economy and that is economically all you have left going for you. If the UK falls, all of Europe does. Leaving the Eurozone won't help you. It is too late for Greece. Things are going to get pretty bad. I wonder how long it takes before you start eating your own shoes?

(sj, 29 August 2013 00:46)

I never did see Star Trek and I somehow doubt all of Syria would be EMP-ed. The Rebel and Kurdish areas would fine for starters. Then satellite and UAV intelligence/ surveillance would be used to target which militarised areas to EMP so that long range Cruise Missiles can get through and hit their designated targets.

And I see you've failed to produce a source to say that 1 Million people are going to loose their Government Jobs and I do know what it'd do to the system, but thankfully that isn't going to happen.

I have never said that the UK hasn't felt downsizing. Please feel free to prove me wrong using quotes.

I work in Patient Experience, I analyse data and statistics as well as dealing with patient problems and concerns.

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(Leonidas, 29 August 2013 11:28)

Of course I'd rather the money be spent on Health and Education. I really do not want the UK being involved in another war. I think the UK, US, Russia, France, Turkey, China, Israel, Iran and Arabian Gulf countries ect should all keep their noses out of Syria and let the Syria crisis solve itself.

But the West isn’t going to sit back whilst Russia and Iran are interfering for their own self serving interests/ political and economical gains. The West are going to interfere for their own political interests as well. An intervention would serve as a perfect smokescreen to hide and make people forget about the West's economic problems.

An intervention would serve as a perfect smokescreen to hide and make people forget about the West's economic problems.
(Ian, UK, 29 August 2013 13:00)

I couldn't agree more.

Worked in Monicagate.
(Peggy, 29 August 2013 22:54)

Yeah because that is the only reason why NATO bombed Yugoslavia and it had nothing to do with humanitarian crisis in Kosovo where over 1 million Albanians were forcibly removed from Kosovo by Yugoslav military and paramilitary forces.

France and the UK are not too far away economic catastrophe so they all join in this escapade. The UK has eliminated about 1 million government jobs alone.
(sj, 28 August 2013 01:25)

BS!

I BEG YOU to please provide a reliable source regarding that 1 million figure, because I know you have a tendency to make up economic figures as you please to fit in with your theories as you're a compulsive liar.

I've not heard anything about it and I'm pretty sure Trade Unions would be kicking off if this were true.

There is nothing on google news about it. No media is reporting it whatsoever. Until two weeks ago I was on a temporary contract within the public sector, however it has since gone permanent and I've had a pay rise; how can the public sector afford to do that if they're about to cut 1 million jobs?

The Government has recently announced that it will create 1 Million new jobs, perhaps you confused it with that?

A bit like how you got confused and thought that 7.8% equalled 1 in 5.

Once again I smell another big fat porkie pie from sj.

The west cannot apply a no fly zone because of the heavy losses they would sustain as the Syrians are well armed with surface to air missiles. A land invasion? No not after Iraq and Afghanistan plus the US citizens are all war weary.

(sj, 28 August 2013 01:25)

What decade are you living in? This is 2013. If we want to bomb someone like Assad's forces who have fancy Russian toys, we'll Electro Magnetic Pulse them before hand to stop them from working.

the moral ambivalence that some people display is staggering. we have people being murdered with chemical weapons (Doctors Without Borders have confirmed the presence of neurotoxic symptoms in their patients) and people say no we have to keep out. amazing. some here are those who would not interfere to stop a fight on a bus. there's a word for people like you, cowards.

(Nikolle, 29 August 2013 13:24)

On what evidence have you decided upon to become the Judge,Juror and executioner?Have the UN inspectors blamed Bashar Al Assad's regime or should we wait for the report before the UN decides who is res[ponsible for the chemical attacks?Has it occurred to you that the chemical weapons could have been set up by the islamists and other jihadists in order to draw the West into war?Have you also considered,in view of Western actions in the past,it could just be a false flag designed in Langley Virginia or GCHQ in UK in order to overthrow Assad? Consider all the above before jumping to idiotic conclusions.

"...organ snatching church burning human trafficking heroin dealing ..."

not one of these epithets apply to me, as I have never done any one of those things.

@Leonidas

and who here is blaming Assad? you guys are saying its not our war, let them sort if out. yes, they are sorting it out, they're gassing each other to death. if we take your advise, we just let them keep at it. it was good of the world not to interfere in Rwanda as well wasn't it? i wonder how the world would be today if America had suddenly decided not to get involved in Europe's affairs in the 1940's. pathetic individuals honestly

(Nikolle, 29 August 2013 16:06)

On your previous posting you insinuate military intervention in Syria,against whom?Back in June 2013 both the US and Russia agreed to reconvene an international peace conference on Syria in order to prepare the ground for a political solution only for the Islamist opposition to reject the idea.It was the 30 million Russians who died in World War II who saved Europe and not the US.

(Reader, 29 August 2013 17:15)

FYI the British bases in Cyprus are sovereign and there is nothing that Cyprus can do to change that.It seems to me that you haven't heard that British parliament voted against military action in Syria.

(Nikolle, 29 August 2013 16:06)

Your spot on with your conclusion

We have a never ending war in Syria and nobody is doing a thing ,so we have waited and waited but the bloody killings is not stopping so in ths case intervention is a necessity to stop the KILLING's one way or another 100,000+ killed is 1/10 of a million .

Europe also did nothing in Rwanda Daniel, no one did a damn thing. So should the world now follow that pattern, we did not intervene there so lets not intervene anywhere else? Yeah, that's some good humanity you have there. Chemical attacks carried out and we should turn the other cheek. Pathetic human beings

Yeah because that is the only reason why NATO bombed Yugoslavia and it had nothing to do with humanitarian crisis in Kosovo where over 1 million Albanians were forcibly removed from Kosovo by Yugoslav military and paramilitary forces.
(Ian, UK, 30 August 2013 12:59)

Ian you silly chap, I seem to recall quite clearly that the bombing preceeded the 'forcibly removed' part. In fact, I also recall Nato getting caught bombing refugees returning to their villages and then blaming Serbian forces for turning them back at the border. It seems as if Serbia was in a no win situation; turn back the refugees who are fleeing a war zone and you're accused of using them as human shields but if you let them leave you're an ethnic cleanser.

(Leonidas, 28 August 2013 20:56)

If the UK falls, then all of Europe does. When I mentioned tourism, I was referring to the economic knock on affects it would have on the entire continent from that one sector alone. It isn't just tourism you'll be worrying about, it will be every other sector in Greece's and Europe's economy. There will be no one left in Europe to trade with and invest in your economy. Greece will be a lot lot lot worse than Germany after the Wall Street Crash in 1928. Greek Supermarkets will then look like the supermarkets in Zimbabwe, they'll be empty. Them stray dogs in Athens will start to look really tasty.

Enjoy the future Leonidas, I hope you're right about the UK economy.

I would not pay much attention to Leonidas and the picture of reality that he paints. It is usually not correct. Example, Cyprus will be one of the main bases from which the air attacks will probably start. The British already moved several airplanes there today. I must confess, I had the wrong opinion about Cyprus but it seems the country is well aligned with the UK and the US. Same as Greece during the Kosovo war.

It is quite within the realms of possibility:

- he has the chemical weapons
- he is not signed up to the chemical weapons treaty
- he wants to terrorise people and has shown no regard for civilian life
- he has China and Russia trapped into supporting his cause

Even if he didn't use chemical weapons, the world should react with force to even the possibility that he did.

We cannot have chemical weapons used in this world and need to stamp hard and PREEMPTIVELY on their use.

I suggest that a no-fly zone would do much to prevent possible future use of chemical weapons in Syria.

...you defend murdering civilians and generating vast numbers of refugees just to keep a minority government of thugs in power. You like to link this to fighting Islamists when in fact it originated with democratic protests of the Syrian people that were fired on by Assad's snipers.

If Syria got rid of its chemical weapons and signed the international treaty on the subject, this would not be an issue.

It is not right wing to be anti chemical weapons, or to support police actions to stamp them out.

Assad is the right wing thug - and those who support him are supporting vicious fascism.

Gotsefromohrid - the shame is on you...

Think about it before you knee jerk with your trolling accusations again.

I don't really want the US to have to intervene - I would prefer it if Russia and China would put a stop to the killing and the chemical weapon stocks - it is within their power, but not within their selfish political interest.

Dragan

I am not interested in sparing you anything.

You might be right in what you think, but that does not stop Assad doing killing of innocent people.

You have a chip on your shoulder - possibly with cause - but that does not justify being anti an intervention to stamp out chemical weapon use.

Dragan

I think you are overdoing the personal abuse. You are also over generalising on the basis of your own predudices.

As they say in the states "have a nice day".

Luv

Bob

"...organ snatching church burning human trafficking heroin dealing ..."

not one of these epithets apply to me, as I have never done any one of those things.

@Leonidas

and who here is blaming Assad? you guys are saying its not our war, let them sort if out. yes, they are sorting it out, they're gassing each other to death. if we take your advise, we just let them keep at it. it was good of the world not to interfere in Rwanda as well wasn't it? i wonder how the world would be today if America had suddenly decided not to get involved in Europe's affairs in the 1940's. pathetic individuals honestly

The west cannot apply a no fly zone because of the heavy losses they would sustain as the Syrians are well armed with surface to air missiles. A land invasion? No not after Iraq and Afghanistan plus the US citizens are all war weary.

(sj, 28 August 2013 01:25)

What decade are you living in? This is 2013. If we want to bomb someone like Assad's forces who have fancy Russian toys, we'll Electro Magnetic Pulse them before hand to stop them from working.

France and the UK are not too far away economic catastrophe so they all join in this escapade. The UK has eliminated about 1 million government jobs alone.
(sj, 28 August 2013 01:25)

BS!

I BEG YOU to please provide a reliable source regarding that 1 million figure, because I know you have a tendency to make up economic figures as you please to fit in with your theories as you're a compulsive liar.

I've not heard anything about it and I'm pretty sure Trade Unions would be kicking off if this were true.

There is nothing on google news about it. No media is reporting it whatsoever. Until two weeks ago I was on a temporary contract within the public sector, however it has since gone permanent and I've had a pay rise; how can the public sector afford to do that if they're about to cut 1 million jobs?

The Government has recently announced that it will create 1 Million new jobs, perhaps you confused it with that?

A bit like how you got confused and thought that 7.8% equalled 1 in 5.

Once again I smell another big fat porkie pie from sj.

The pot{U S A}calling the kettle black? The U S A {and C I A]have destroyed more evidence than any other country,and still do!P S ZIVIO Dragan!

It's just too convenient. UN chemical weapons inspectors are coming to investigate in Syria, and just day after their arrival chemical weapon is used just 4 kilometers from their hotel in Damascus allegedly by the army that was doing fine and gaining in this war.
Assad decided to get US involved by all costs?!?!

Then, there is a possibility that he did it. Assad family was brought to power by CIA back in 70's.
This fact is enough for me to consider Assad a thug.
Death squads that ravaged South America, Saddam Hussein, Bin Laden, etc.
When was the last time CIA backed anybody even resembling normal person?

Even if al-Assad ain't unleashing chemical weapons against his people the word is he's a thug and if he's a thug he's a scumbag who deserves to have his power usurped.

(Leonidas, 28 August 2013 20:56)

If the UK falls, then all of Europe does. When I mentioned tourism, I was referring to the economic knock on affects it would have on the entire continent from that one sector alone. It isn't just tourism you'll be worrying about, it will be every other sector in Greece's and Europe's economy. There will be no one left in Europe to trade with and invest in your economy. Greece will be a lot lot lot worse than Germany after the Wall Street Crash in 1928. Greek Supermarkets will then look like the supermarkets in Zimbabwe, they'll be empty. Them stray dogs in Athens will start to look really tasty.

Enjoy the future Leonidas, I hope you're right about the UK economy.

Worked in Monicagate.
(Peggy, 29 August 2013 22:54)

Yeah because that is the only reason why NATO bombed Yugoslavia and it had nothing to do with humanitarian crisis in Kosovo where over 1 million Albanians were forcibly removed from Kosovo by Yugoslav military and paramilitary forces.

Bob

Your rightwing trolling is well known on this site.Where were your comments when natowas using radioactive bombs in Serbia and Iraq?Have you seen Iraqi children born with no limbs?
The likes of you and Ian should hold youd heads in shame.

Bob,
Spare us your neocon warmongering lies and propaganda. The US are fighting al Qaeda in Afghanistan and helping them in Lybia, Egypt, and Syria. You are warmongering retards who are controlled by the military industrial complex and for you war = $. The more blood that flows the better the share price of Northrop Grumman, Raytheon, Boeing....etc.
this is déjà Vu all over again. Just like the staged breadline massacre and Racak hoax, the NATO war criminals are now using the same tactics to justify yet another money making war. The Islamic fanatic rebels used poison gas, and were for sure guided by the CIA, this is yet another complete fabrication and lie which is constantly repeated by the ignorant and corrupt media. This charade would be comical if it wasn't so tragic. Basically, the US and the west are controlled by NATO war criminals and war profiteers, and have become pure evil. The good thing though, evil self destructs.
Cheers!!

Daily Telegraph 02 June 2013

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/al-qaeda/10094187/Iraq-arrests-five-in-al-Qaeda-chemical-weapons-plot.html

Iraq arrests five in 'al-Qaeda chemical weapons plot'

Al-Qaeda planned to strike targets in Iraq, Europe and North America with chemical weapons, according to the Baghdad government.

Five men have been arrested in Iraq and three makeshift laboratories, allegedly designed to produce sarin and mustard gas, have been uncovered...


It couldn't possibly be anyone else when the West is so desperate to get involved in Syria could it? The Baghdad story has been almost totally ignored by all the major media outlets this time around. If this is the kind of journalism that the experts practice, then it is no surprise that western journalists are considered the media arm of the government and are targeted. Shocking, but true (in certain cases).

The West's timing is certainly suspect. This has been going on for 2 years with over 100,000 lives lost and now that UN inspectors are in the country (and being stalled at every turn) the West wants to launch air strikes. Cooler heads would say let the inspectors at least make the attempt first before rattling the sabers, but cooler heads have never prevailed during the last 2 years. These recent developments place the UN inspectors at risk and I assume they are now trying to evacuate. Where was the West 2 years ago? I suspect the West is trying to divert attention away from the current problems with Obamacare, the economy and the Snowden revelations on homeland snooping.

the moral ambivalence that some people display is staggering. we have people being murdered with chemical weapons (Doctors Without Borders have confirmed the presence of neurotoxic symptoms in their patients) and people say no we have to keep out. amazing. some here are those who would not interfere to stop a fight on a bus. there's a word for people like you, cowards.

(Nikolle, 29 August 2013 13:24)

And there are words for people like you - organ snatching church burning human trafficking heroin dealing history usurping parasitic uneducated terrorists.

Cheers!!

I don't believe a word the US says. They have been proven liars in the past and it's obvious they have had this plan in place for years.
Just like with Iraq, Lybia etc. the US has had their tentacles in that part of the world and stirring up trouble.
Remember WMDs? Lies.
The only people using chemical weapons are the Jihadists (Muslim brotherhood) and the US has been supporting them in every country there.
Shameless American government has already too much blood on their hands and now they want more and blame the wrong side too.

Not saying that anyone is innocent because a civil war is horrible and makes criminals and victims out of all but the US is not to be believed.
What happened to that Nobel Peace Prize Obama won? Why, for what? He is the biggest war monger and always supporting extremists.

Dragan

I think you are overdoing the personal abuse. You are also over generalising on the basis of your own predudices.

As they say in the states "have a nice day".

Luv

Bob
(Bob, 27 August 2013 21:30)

Just as I suspected, you avoid answering a simple question, because of course you have no answer. It exposes you for the fraud that you are. You think this is over the top personal abuse Bob? LOL...you 'aint seen nothin' dude. If it wasn't for B92's editors I'd really let you have it. It's people like you, Bob, who are responsible for hundreds of thousands of deaths around the globe - yes, ignorant diplomats and 'advisors' like you are neck deep in blood. I don't know how you can sleep at night after what you've accomplished in the Balkans. No morals, no guilt, I guess? I really have not gone far enough with the abuse Bob. People like you are part of the evil military industrial complex that promote war and run the world at the moment. Your reign is temporary, as you are on the road to bankruptcy (there are many Detroits coming), and I can't wait to see you crash and burn :). Stick that in your pipe and smoke it.
Cheers!!

And if the UK economy does implode, things are going to get even worse for Greece. As the saying goes "You aint seen nothing yet".
(Ian, UK, 28 August 2013 1

It depends what do you mean by "government".But if you take the broad meaning which includes the traditional civil service + local authority jobs then sj is more than right.Most local authorities in UK have either closed or privatized their services.
Now Greece is being into continuous crises since 2008 and it will continue to be so unless its people decide to leave the discredited euroland.With regard to UK when the next crisis implodes(you're not far away)the burning and looting in Brixton,Tottenham and Hackney few years back will seem like playing "cops and robbers in the park).

(Leonidas, 28 August 2013 16:04)

I already said, what is mean by Government job, Public Sector jobs.

No, Greece's economy will continue to deteriorate even if you leave the Eurozone. You've said that the UK is next. If that happens, you can forget about the billions of income Greece gets from British tourists alone. Then other Eurozone countries are going to loose out from a lack of British tourists, Spain especially with an average of 11-12 Million Brits visiting each year. This will affect have a huge affect on the rest of the Eurozone. France, Germany and Italy will be f****d. They will all go down the drain too. The rest of the Balkans is dependent of hand outs from Western Europe. That means no tourists left for Greece's economy and that is economically all you have left going for you. If the UK falls, all of Europe does. Leaving the Eurozone won't help you. It is too late for Greece. Things are going to get pretty bad. I wonder how long it takes before you start eating your own shoes?

The world would be a safer place if Russia neuter the UK and would force them under the threat of severe military action to split up into England, Wales, Scotland and N. Ireland with put a "Berlin wall" on the boundaries; maybe then the UK would stop pulling th US into new wars every few years.

Spot on Dragan.It is obvious to most that the west is increasingly desperate by the failure of their Al Qaeda proxies to force the regime change they have demanded in Syria , so they are once again, as in Iraq and Libya, considering chemical weapons and all other false flags to achieve their strategic geopolitical goals which also includes Iran.

http://www.presstv.com/detail/2013/06/16/309276/uk-planned-war-on-syria-before-unrest/

From day one of this conflict the West and its puppet "allies" in the Gulf and Turkey have only ever had one plan for Syria - regime change.The West has used up all its political and social capital to continue moralizing. No-one trusts it at home or abroad and with good reason.Who recently used depleted uranium bombs? What about using white phosphorous bombs in Iraq & Libya?John Kerry is quite the expert in chemical warfare. He was fighting in Vietnam when the Americans were dumping napalm indiscriminately over the Vietnamese. Deformed babies are still born there thanks to John and his buddies.

The war in Syria and Iran wont be the last.These western parasitic politicians won't stop at anything until they lead us all to mutual destruction. They've got to be stopped starting with Syria.

The most interesting comments I have seen so far are:

1: Foaming at the mouth is not indicative of chemical weapons use and that the white consistency shown in rebel videos is at odds with the color that would be produced by chemical weapons (blood and other liquids would be present).

2: The vast majority of those affected by the gas have survived and have fully recovered - this is not consistent with mass use of chemical weapons. There is a theory that a small quantity of sarin was used in particular places but that the rest was not sarin. Citing the previous link posted on Al Queda weapons lab in Iraq, it is conceivable that this event could have been carried out by the rebels if they have got hold of large quantities of other chemicals such as chlorine (medical/water filtration use) or other more accessible chemicals, possibly odorless as chlorine is green etc. It would explain why most survived and only a relative few died.

If the West launches strikes knowing that this is a possibility before ruling it out or simply covering it up, then they will be complicit in war crimes and crimes against humanity. It's not a secret that they can hope to keep for decades. There will be leaks.

Either way, I expect them to do something stupid and claim innocence.

You might be right in what you think, but that does not stop Assad doing killing of innocent people.

You have a chip on your shoulder - possibly with cause - but that does not justify being anti an intervention to stamp out chemical weapon use.
(Bob, 27 August 2013 15:41)

So I might be right, but you want to bomb the Assad regime - which includes Christians who will be beheaded and massacred if Al Quada get on power per US wishes - am I getting this right Bob? You're a very ignorant man, with absolutely no ability to compose a logical thought. Why don't you bomb the islamic fantatical rebels who are responsible for so many grotesque crimes (watch them on youtube) including this chemical weapons hoax? Why are you again supporting the bombing of the victims and supporting the Al Quada nutjobs? Why do fight these radicals in Afghanistan and support them elsewhere? Tell us Bob, I'm interested to hear your warped logic. You told me before that 'Serbia was your business'. It's truly scary that people like you Bob, are advising governments on what to do. No wonder the world is such a mess. I suggest a new profession for you, you're a joke and a complete failure. McDonalds is looking for hamburger flippers.
Cheers!!

To the normal person this proposed action against Syria is pure insanity. However, there is more to this than just removing Assad from power.

The west cannot apply a no fly zone because of the heavy losses they would sustain as the Syrians are well armed with surface to air missiles. A land invasion? No not after Iraq and Afghanistan plus the US citizens are all war weary.

So what is the reason for this? Simple it’s to take away the peoples’ eyes from their internal troubles and focus them elsewhere. There are large tracks of the US which are crumbling as infrastructure is literally falling apart through non maintenance or just plain in need replacing. It debt is rising by the second and they expect to have an 18 trillion IOU by December this year and this does not take into account the debt owed by states.

France and the UK are not too far away economic catastrophe so they all join in this escapade. The UK has eliminated about 1 million government jobs alone.

Will this action cause regime change? No. However, they will target certain infrastructure to help out the rebels – you know the ones who cut out a human heart and eat it or who stop a truck drive and shoot him for no reason.

"The war in Syria and Iran wont be the last"

Leonidas


I think the war in Syria will be NATO War No. 6.

1=Yugoslavia
2=Afganistan
3=Iraq
4=Ivory Coast
5=Libya
6=Syria
7=Lebanon (still in planning)
8=Iran (still in planning)
9=?
10=?
11=Russia
12=China

War is the only Export the Americans and Btitish have. They export their expensive bombs to murder foreigners. Once their stockpiles of weapons are depleted, the Americans and Brits can order fresh supplies and so keep local weapons factories in full employment.

Once again I smell another big fat porkie pie from sj.
(Ian, UK, 28 August 2013 11:45)

I think the big fat porkies is your domain and not sjs.In fact sj underestimated the number of people in UK that lost their jobs since the recession started.

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2013/02/20/redundancy-figures-show-one-in-seven-brits-lost-job-since-2008_n_2723361.html

Your government has been feeding you lies with statistics regarding inflation,unemployment and debt.Don't believe me? You obviously don't do any shopping, then!Just look at the prices of food, energy, petrol, postage, housing etc. Many items have doubled in price since 2008 but you are told inflation is 2.8%.Look at the debt levels,since 2010 debt is gone up by £ 400 billion and this figure does'nt include the Bank bailouts which amounted to more than £850 billion.

The British economy will, without doubt, implode at some point. That is certain. The Tory answer to a failing economy is to go to war in Syria. It's like night following day and the sheeple like yourself will just follow.

I think the big fat porkies is your domain and not sjs.In fact sj underestimated the number of people in UK that lost their jobs since the recession started.

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Your government has been feeding you lies with statistics regarding inflation,unemployment and debt.Don't believe me? You obviously don't do any shopping, then!Just look at the prices of food, energy, petrol, postage, housing etc. Many items have doubled in price since 2008 but you are told inflation is 2.8%.Look at the debt levels,since 2010 debt is gone up by £ 400 billion and this figure does'nt include the Bank bailouts which amounted to more than £850 billion.

The British economy will, without doubt, implode at some point. That is certain. The Tory answer to a failing economy is to go to war in Syria. It's like night following day and the sheeple like yourself will just follow.
(Leonidas, 28 August 2013 14:10)

You appear to have overlooked the word "government", sj was referring to government jobs (not all jobs as a whole); which I'm guessing means public sector jobs.

I don't even disagree with what you're saying.

And if the UK economy does implode, things are going to get even worse for Greece. As the saying goes "You aint seen nothing yet".

I would not pay much attention to Leonidas and the picture of reality that he paints. It is usually not correct. Example, Cyprus will be one of the main bases from which the air attacks will probably start. The British already moved several airplanes there today. I must confess, I had the wrong opinion about Cyprus but it seems the country is well aligned with the UK and the US. Same as Greece during the Kosovo war.

(Nikolle, 29 August 2013 16:06)

Your spot on with your conclusion

We have a never ending war in Syria and nobody is doing a thing ,so we have waited and waited but the bloody killings is not stopping so in ths case intervention is a necessity to stop the KILLING's one way or another 100,000+ killed is 1/10 of a million .

(Ian

Your usual fallacies trying to impress the ignorant crowd.British tourism in Greece, though welcomed,is confined to the bottom end of the market(young people with no purchasing power) and the lack of it won't have any seismic consequences on the Greek economy.Tourism in total is only 14% of the GDP whereas the Greek shipping industry, the largest in the world, accounts for more than 30 percent of the income derived from services.Total Greek exports for 2012 were €27.6 billion made up by food and tobacco processing, textiles, chemicals, metal products; mining, petroleum.

On the other hand exports in UK economy constitute only 9% of its total economy with the rest being made up from the services sector.The main advantage the UK has over Greece at the moment is its ability to manage its own economy how it sees it fit(printing & debasing its currency).If the BOE stopped printing, the UK government would be insolvent because the government's expenditure is well above to its tax take- and that's if it didn't dump the £375bn of gilts that its bought back on the open market.Have you ever imagined the cuts in public expenditure needed to get government spending within sight of its tax revenues?You must be talking of a cut of around 20%.Imagine the strikes.
Worse still imagine the riots.The'something should be done about it' brigade would have a field day.I reckon they'll still be printing money 5 years from now.I wonder what the cost of living will be five years from now.

(Ian, UK, 29 August 2013 09:45)

We agree to differ but,as I've said to you before,I do not hold any enmity towards yourself or the British people in general.The article was about Syria and let me ask you whether you think it would be better spending the money on health and education in the UK, instead of rerunning Iraq.

BTW The Greek supermarkets are selling mostly products made in Greece.

An intervention would serve as a perfect smokescreen to hide and make people forget about the West's economic problems.
(Ian, UK, 29 August 2013 13:00)

I couldn't agree more.

(Nikolle, 29 August 2013 13:24)

On what evidence have you decided upon to become the Judge,Juror and executioner?Have the UN inspectors blamed Bashar Al Assad's regime or should we wait for the report before the UN decides who is res[ponsible for the chemical attacks?Has it occurred to you that the chemical weapons could have been set up by the islamists and other jihadists in order to draw the West into war?Have you also considered,in view of Western actions in the past,it could just be a false flag designed in Langley Virginia or GCHQ in UK in order to overthrow Assad? Consider all the above before jumping to idiotic conclusions.

An intervention would serve as a perfect smokescreen to hide and make people forget about the West's economic problems.
(Ian, UK, 29 August 2013 13:00)
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Worked in Monicagate.

Oooh, isn't Assad cunning, destroying all the evidence, but that won't stop the empire, the empire always knows - even with zero evidence - it knows its always right.

The Saudi's have been ordering Washington and London to do their bidding again I see.

What decade are you living in? This is 2013. If we want to bomb someone like Assad's forces who have fancy Russian toys, we'll Electro Magnetic Pulse them before hand to stop them from working.
(Ian, UK, 28 August 2013 14:30)

Ian, you have been watching too many Star trek movies. Your going to electro pulse the entire country eh?

As I have said many times before the people living in the west are the best brainwashed and this is despite evidence to the contrary staring them right in their face.

Once again I smell another big fat porkie pie from sj.
(Ian, UK, 28 August 2013 11:45)

I take my hat off to Leonidas as he has the patience of a saint spending time to write a detailed intelligent response to ramblings like yours.

Ian do you have the faintest idea what it means to take out of the system 1 million salaries? I have recently seen where a state government closed down a regional centre with about 20 jobs lost at say $70,000 average salary to a city of about 150 000 people. The effects were immediate and it was felt by everyone, from the petrol station owner to the supermarket. And your telling me that the UK has not felt this massive downsizing?

Out of curiosity what is your position in the UK health sector?

(sj, 29 August 2013 00:46)

I never did see Star Trek and I somehow doubt all of Syria would be EMP-ed. The Rebel and Kurdish areas would fine for starters. Then satellite and UAV intelligence/ surveillance would be used to target which militarised areas to EMP so that long range Cruise Missiles can get through and hit their designated targets.

And I see you've failed to produce a source to say that 1 Million people are going to loose their Government Jobs and I do know what it'd do to the system, but thankfully that isn't going to happen.

I have never said that the UK hasn't felt downsizing. Please feel free to prove me wrong using quotes.

I work in Patient Experience, I analyse data and statistics as well as dealing with patient problems and concerns.

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(Leonidas, 29 August 2013 11:28)

Of course I'd rather the money be spent on Health and Education. I really do not want the UK being involved in another war. I think the UK, US, Russia, France, Turkey, China, Israel, Iran and Arabian Gulf countries ect should all keep their noses out of Syria and let the Syria crisis solve itself.

But the West isn’t going to sit back whilst Russia and Iran are interfering for their own self serving interests/ political and economical gains. The West are going to interfere for their own political interests as well. An intervention would serve as a perfect smokescreen to hide and make people forget about the West's economic problems.

(Nikolle, 29 August 2013 16:06)

On your previous posting you insinuate military intervention in Syria,against whom?Back in June 2013 both the US and Russia agreed to reconvene an international peace conference on Syria in order to prepare the ground for a political solution only for the Islamist opposition to reject the idea.It was the 30 million Russians who died in World War II who saved Europe and not the US.

and who here is blaming Assad? you guys are saying its not our war, let them sort if out. yes, they are sorting it out, they're gassing each other to death. if we take your advise, we just let them keep at it. it was good of the world not to interfere in Rwanda as well wasn't it?

Did you ever wonder why the US didnt intervene in Rwanda?Because their only interest is OIL and Money, they dont give a damn about democracy or freedom. Are you really that stupid to think that the US gives a shit about a couple of arabs getting killed? The americans are nothing but warmongering, selfish bastards that terrorize the whole world. They create war and trouble allower the world. Vietnam, Iraq, Libya, Syria, Serbia, Afghanistan. 6 wars in 50 years, dont u see the pattern?

Europe also did nothing in Rwanda Daniel, no one did a damn thing. So should the world now follow that pattern, we did not intervene there so lets not intervene anywhere else? Yeah, that's some good humanity you have there. Chemical attacks carried out and we should turn the other cheek. Pathetic human beings

Yeah because that is the only reason why NATO bombed Yugoslavia and it had nothing to do with humanitarian crisis in Kosovo where over 1 million Albanians were forcibly removed from Kosovo by Yugoslav military and paramilitary forces.
(Ian, UK, 30 August 2013 12:59)

Ian you silly chap, I seem to recall quite clearly that the bombing preceeded the 'forcibly removed' part. In fact, I also recall Nato getting caught bombing refugees returning to their villages and then blaming Serbian forces for turning them back at the border. It seems as if Serbia was in a no win situation; turn back the refugees who are fleeing a war zone and you're accused of using them as human shields but if you let them leave you're an ethnic cleanser.

(Reader, 29 August 2013 17:15)

FYI the British bases in Cyprus are sovereign and there is nothing that Cyprus can do to change that.It seems to me that you haven't heard that British parliament voted against military action in Syria.