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Tensions over petition for "Natural Albania" in Balkans

A petition for the establishment of a “Natural Albania," has created tensions in the political public sphere in Montenegro.

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Brandon

pre 10 godina

Hayashi,
While I don't support the redrawing of borders in Balkans I am surprised by your attempt to downplay historical injustice put upon Albanians. More than half of Albanian people and land were left outside the mother nation. I dear you to find anything that comes close to it in the region.

Ment

pre 10 godina

Patriotism is the virtue of the vicious - Oscar Wilde.

Re-phrasing for the Balkans...

Nationalism is the virtue of the vicious and the mediocre.


I'm Albanian and Danaj can go f himself.

Hayashi

pre 10 godina

A lot of people here don't know what Greater means so let me explain it to everyone so they can end their stupid arguments.

Greater as in "Greater Albania", "Greater Serbia" means the country with land outside its territory included as part of the country, for example if Kosovo is included as part of Albania it is Greater Albania, if Montenegro is included as part of Serbia it is Greater Serbia, if FYROM is included as part of Bulgaria it is Greater Bulgaria, it may also be natural Albania, Serb or Bulgaria but at the same time it is still Greater [fill in the blank].

Hayashi

pre 10 godina

This is the same person as the one who talked about "If Albanians are given the privilege then so should everyone else", this is merely a continuation of my previous comment.

I agree the borders may have been unjust but Albanians are not the only ones who are a victims, Bulgarians, Greeks, Kurds and Armenians are also victims of unjust borders imposed by the same people which imposed the Albanian borders UK, Germany and France, they decided that all of Eastern Thrace, Constantinople, the Bosphorus and Eastern Anatolia should be part of Turkey, this led to the genocide and ethnic cleansing of Greeks, Armenians, Bulgarians and Kurds. Again if Albanians should have their unjust borders correct then so should everyone else, and this again leads to conflict.

Now we should be exploring other options to unite everyone in one states, an option which allows everyone to be in one country without conflicts. The EU is an option but unfortunately that just makes you a colony and servant of the same people who imposed the unjust borders, now there was another option proposed in the early 20th century, it would have been a good idea had it been done properly, but it wasn't which left Bulgaria and Albania out of the equation, if anyone has some brain they would what I a referring to.

Hayashi

pre 10 godina

"bringing all the territories where Albanians live .......... - into a single entity" No I am not saying I don't support the idea but surely if Albanians should be given that privilege then everyone in the whole world should be given the same privilege, unfortunately this could lead to world war 3 especially when you have ethnically mixed areas and you have areas where two groups claim they are the majority in them, or when people get the idea of using ethnic cleansing to make themselves a majority.

"or have supposedly lived in the past" Now this is what can cause a serious conflict especially in places like Ohrid which are claimed by Albanians but Albanians don't live there. But again if Albanians are gonna be given that privilege then everyone should have the same privilege and the result is the same world war.

Bekim_Novi Sad

pre 10 godina

Great thats all we need.

Another Greater (insert here as appropriate) nationalism that caused so much misery in the 1990s. What are these idiots playing at?

resident of Fredericton,New Brunswick,Canada visiting Plymouth,Minnesota,USA

pre 10 godina

Simply asking out of curiosity if the name or proposed name "Natural Albania" was changed to "New Albania" how would that resonate with certain people?

Nikolle

pre 10 godina

You like your comment so much Balkan you had to post it twice eh? As for Iaonnina, I honestly couldnt care any less if I tried. I already outlined my vision for a greater Albania, it doesnt need 100000 dead Albanians like greater Serbia brought your people.

Oh and Peggy, you already wrote you cant wait, I only know of maniacs who look forward to war.

Reader

pre 10 godina

"Stanic said that Danaj is a marginal politician “desiring of media attention," and also claims that Danaj’s idea has the support of only 0.6 percent of the people in Albania. "

Agreed. And Danaj is certainly getting this media attention, he made it to B92 at least. He does not usually make it to the media in Albania, where he is not as famous. The 0.6% number instead is not correct. The party which was running on that "project", called the Red and Black Alliance, got 0.3% of the votes in the latest elections of June 2013 in Albania. Needless to say, it did not make it to parliament.

Balkan Anthropologist

pre 10 godina

but the article here is insinuating that Kosova is a part of the Greater Albania project and if that is the case, then I submit that we're a lot smarter than you. you didn't get Krajina, we got Kosova :-)
(Nikolle, 22 August 2013 17:22)

Well, not to compare who has the bigger, um, "history" on the internet, but we "got" RS. You may "have" "Kosova", but look at how much you have to bend over backwards to please 7% of your population. And considering your elected officials have to do whatever Washington tells them, I'd be careful in declaring you "got" anything in Kosovo. But fine, I'll give that to you if it makes you feel better (and simultaneously distracted from beating up another Serbian farmer in anger). You're no closer to getting that part of Macedonia than you were in 2001, and the less said about regaining Ioannina, the better your irredentists will feel.

Balkan Anthropologist

pre 10 godina

[Some angry Albanian internet ranting above]
You mentioned 'laughing stock of democratic sovereignty'=It equals Serbia.
You should really change the name you go buy.
(cry me a river, 22 August 2013 18:10)

Oh I'm so sorry I got you upset. Try actually researching the country you tell me to learn about. Gay people might not be attacked because they're too afraid to even admit their gay. So instead, politicians are attacked, and journalists are threatened for exposing the truth about Albanian political culture still under the influence of Hoxha-era belligerence. As for minorities, try asking the Greeks what they think of Albanian tolerance. Get back to me once you console yourself with the realities :)

Balkan Anthropologist

pre 10 godina

You are just an ignorant person who can't see beyond the dark classes of Serbdom. Serbs like you are the laughing stocks of Europe.
(miri, 22 August 2013 17:19)

And yet still smart enough to know that with undeniable proof of all the other Greater projects that failed in history, "Natural" Albania is the dumbest name for a Greater project given and can only be championed by people who either never learned from the mistakes of others, or actually think that one of the least developed societies in Europe can achieve what others couldn't. It doesn't need a Serb to see that. But you keep up the good fight from your keyboard in America. Make another Facebook page or YouTube video for the same diaspora community if it helps soothe your aching ego for a country you don't live in and for envisioning a state that never existed.

Balkan Anthropologist

pre 10 godina

but the article here is insinuating that Kosova is a part of the Greater Albania project and if that is the case, then I submit that we're a lot smarter than you. you didn't get Krajina, we got Kosova :-)
(Nikolle, 22 August 2013 17:22)

Well, not to compare who has the bigger, um, "history" on the internet, but we "got" RS. You may "have" "Kosova", but look at how much you have to bend over backwards to please 7% of your population. And considering your elected officials have to do whatever Washington tells them, I'd be careful in declaring you "got" anything in Kosovo. But fine, I'll give that to you if it makes you feel better (and simultaneously distracted from beating up another Serbian farmer in anger). You're no closer to getting that part of Macedonia than you were in 2001, and the less said about regaining Ioannina, the better your irredentists will feel.

Peggy

pre 10 godina

its good to know you're impatiently waiting for another war Peggy. for what its wroth, Greater Albania WILL happen, but not in the way this guy thinks. It will happen when Albania, Kosova, Montenegro & Macedonia join the EU and then borders in which albanians live become obsolete
==============================
It certainly looks like another war will happen. Take a look at the mess the world is in so nothing I say or do will prevent that.
All I am saying is that when it does happen your arses will be kicked from here to kingdom come.

Now, if "natural Albania" will happen the way you say it will then natural Serbia will happen the same way.
Still happy about the way things will turn out?

Nikolle

pre 10 godina

"Can't wait. You are finally going to get your backsides kicked..."

its good to know you're impatiently waiting for another war Peggy. for what its wroth, Greater Albania WILL happen, but not in the way this guy thinks. It will happen when Albania, Kosova, Montenegro & Macedonia join the EU and then borders in which albanians live become obsolete, its as simple as that. what is truly funny to me, is that Greater Serbia was driven by the philosophy of all Serbs in one state, and its proponents failed to realize that that was the case in former Yugoslavia.

icj1

pre 10 godina

Another proof to show that Albanian mentality is from the dark past, from 100 years ago. It explains a lot when it comes to their habits and behavior.
(Comm. Parrisson, 22 August 2013 14:00)

If 100 years ago is dark, not sure what color 624 years ago is...

Peggy

pre 10 godina

United States of Albania - Coming soon!
(Pellazg Kelmendi, 22 August 2013 12:12)
==========================
Can't wait. You are finally going to get your backsides kicked and America won't be able to protect you because even they won't be able to justify this intervention.

Brandon

pre 10 godina

The interest of all Albanians is to pursuit their rights wherever they sit. The natural Albania idea, while initially might awake certain national aspiration, in the long run it damages the Albanian cause. In the interest of all Albanians to create friendly relation with their neighbors. To seek a change in borders in an era of disappearing borders does not make any sense. Also letting history dictate current policies could lead to grave mistakes

Ari Gold

pre 10 godina

I can only pray these lunatics are crazy enough to try it. Not even the U.S. can try to spin supporting Albanian causes against 3-4 sovereign nations. It would be the end of Albanian Muslim extremism in the Balkans.

tom

pre 10 godina

these alvanians are stupid there is only about 30,000 alvanians in Montenegro and only about 50,000 alvanians in presovo valley the only place where they have any chance is in Macedonia and that's it and they say part of Greece also lol well then natural Greece is north Epirus and there is over 30,000 serbs in Albania so they will also take their part and there is a large Macedonian population in Albania also so they will take their part and the gypsys will take their part so Albania will be Tirana in the end and then the serbs will separate from bosnia and since 38% of Montenegro are Serbs well they will take their part and so on an so on get the point you stupid alvanians....

Mr. Siptari

pre 10 godina

Good ole' Albanian saying... "The only good thing that came out of Serbia were its women" They've lost Kosova and Vojvodina is about to go back to their rightful people, as well. The Hungarians. No offense, but you guys shit the bed. Stick with your Russian commrades and hope you make it into the E.U. sometime soon.

cry me a river

pre 10 godina

Since "present" Albania is a laughing stock of democratic sovereignty, and "(Balkan Anthropologist

As someone who considers himself an anthropologist on Balkan affairs you should be ashamed for writing such nonsense.
You obviously know very little about the country of Albania and the political system there.

Minotirities have equal rights just like the majority. Oh, by the way, they don't kill gay people like they do in Serbia. They can have gay parades and not worry about their well being.

CAn you say the same about Serbia?
You mentioned 'laughing stock of democratic sovereignty'=It equals Serbia.
You should really change the name you go buy.

miri

pre 10 godina

If it was "natural", it would have happened already. In fact, it not only would have happened, it would be self-evident. Since neither are the case, "Natural" Albania is a simple euphemism for "Greater" Albania, and quite possibly the worst and most ridiculous of all the "Greater" projects. Since "present" Albania is a laughing stock of democratic sovereignty, and "little" Albania next door can barely function above the poverty line, the idea of all Albanians in one state can only be realized if there's mass migration to the present state of Albania. Anything else is wishful thinking by internet trolls the world over.
(Balkan Anthropologist, 22 August 2013 16:31)

You are just an ignorant person who can't see beyond the dark classes of Serbdom. Serbs like you are the laughing stocks of Europe.

Nikolle

pre 10 godina

"...quite possibly the worst and most ridiculous of all the "Greater" projects."

i don't know, greater serbia turned out to be quite awful, mostly for serbs, who got expelled out of croatia and other environs. not that i'm one to incite, but the article here is insinuating that Kosova is a part of the Greater Albania project and if that is the case, then I submit that we're a lot smarter than you. you didn't get Krajina, we got Kosova :-)

Balkan Anthropologist

pre 10 godina

If it was "natural", it would have happened already. In fact, it not only would have happened, it would be self-evident. Since neither are the case, "Natural" Albania is a simple euphemism for "Greater" Albania, and quite possibly the worst and most ridiculous of all the "Greater" projects. Since "present" Albania is a laughing stock of democratic sovereignty, and "little" Albania next door can barely function above the poverty line, the idea of all Albanians in one state can only be realized if there's mass migration to the present state of Albania. Anything else is wishful thinking by internet trolls the world over.

miri

pre 10 godina

"Stanic said that Danaj is a marginal politician “desiring of media attention," and also claims that Danaj’s idea has the support of only 0.6 percent of the people in Albania."

This says it all!
No moderate Albanian, (and this is the majority these days) would ever consider supporting the idea of "Greater Albania" which is a Serbian invented concept anyway. The truth is Albanians can be even stronger, when spanning multiple states as they can drastically influence the local policies. Take the closest examples, Montenegro and Macedonia.
Both recognized Kosova. It may have been unlikely to happen if there was no substantial Albanian population in both of these countries.

We Albanians, are not Serbs. Being "greater" never meant being "better" to us. As for the last sentence of the article, about Kosova being the first step to reach a "goal" that has 0.6% support, I don't really understand where is coming from and who said it?
There will always be troubling elements in any government who like flies buzz around in the hope that someone would pay attention to them. Let them make the noise, after all we live in "democracy" :)

PEN

pre 10 godina

@pellag kelmendi;

'united states of Albania coming soon!'

And who's going to take up arms for it little keyboard warrior, you?
Best go back to the nursery room and carry on playing with your toys.

Questioner

pre 10 godina

"The daily Večernje Novosti writes that the movement was political in the past, and had the goal of bringing all the territories where Albanians live - or have supposedly lived in the past - into a single entity."

Is there a difference to Milosevic's idea of a 'Greater Serbia'? We all know how it ended, don't we? Maybe Albanians should try, and after 10 years and 100.000s of people killed they will finally end up being expelled from Serbia, Montenegro and other states where they are an ethnic minority, just like it happened to Serbs in Croatia, Kosovo, parts of Bosnia.

Comm. Parrisson

pre 10 godina

The ‘Natural Albania’ project, launched by Danaj in 2010, calls for establishing the borders as prescribed in a declaration of a century ago, adopted at the Assembly of Vlora on November 28, 1912.

Another proof to show that Albanian mentality is from the dark past, from 100 years ago. It explains a lot when it comes to their habits and behavior. And the very same people in Kosovo call themselves 'young Europeans'. Funny, isn't it?

Nikolle

pre 10 godina

"Another proof to show that Albanian mentality is from the dark past, from 100 years ago"

outright racism. take the action of one man and judge a whole group. how many signatures has this petition got? you write weirder and weirder stuff every time

Pellazg Kelmendi

pre 10 godina

Albania will unite, it is the most natural thing to do! Albanians were unjustly separated into 6 different neighboring states, and it is natural that there is a will to unite!

Also, this project is not supported by 0.6% as it says, but by most of the Albanian population.

United States of Albania - Coming soon!

Comm. Parrisson

pre 10 godina

The ‘Natural Albania’ project, launched by Danaj in 2010, calls for establishing the borders as prescribed in a declaration of a century ago, adopted at the Assembly of Vlora on November 28, 1912.

Another proof to show that Albanian mentality is from the dark past, from 100 years ago. It explains a lot when it comes to their habits and behavior. And the very same people in Kosovo call themselves 'young Europeans'. Funny, isn't it?

Balkan Anthropologist

pre 10 godina

If it was "natural", it would have happened already. In fact, it not only would have happened, it would be self-evident. Since neither are the case, "Natural" Albania is a simple euphemism for "Greater" Albania, and quite possibly the worst and most ridiculous of all the "Greater" projects. Since "present" Albania is a laughing stock of democratic sovereignty, and "little" Albania next door can barely function above the poverty line, the idea of all Albanians in one state can only be realized if there's mass migration to the present state of Albania. Anything else is wishful thinking by internet trolls the world over.

Pellazg Kelmendi

pre 10 godina

Albania will unite, it is the most natural thing to do! Albanians were unjustly separated into 6 different neighboring states, and it is natural that there is a will to unite!

Also, this project is not supported by 0.6% as it says, but by most of the Albanian population.

United States of Albania - Coming soon!

PEN

pre 10 godina

@pellag kelmendi;

'united states of Albania coming soon!'

And who's going to take up arms for it little keyboard warrior, you?
Best go back to the nursery room and carry on playing with your toys.

Ari Gold

pre 10 godina

I can only pray these lunatics are crazy enough to try it. Not even the U.S. can try to spin supporting Albanian causes against 3-4 sovereign nations. It would be the end of Albanian Muslim extremism in the Balkans.

Nikolle

pre 10 godina

"Another proof to show that Albanian mentality is from the dark past, from 100 years ago"

outright racism. take the action of one man and judge a whole group. how many signatures has this petition got? you write weirder and weirder stuff every time

miri

pre 10 godina

"Stanic said that Danaj is a marginal politician “desiring of media attention," and also claims that Danaj’s idea has the support of only 0.6 percent of the people in Albania."

This says it all!
No moderate Albanian, (and this is the majority these days) would ever consider supporting the idea of "Greater Albania" which is a Serbian invented concept anyway. The truth is Albanians can be even stronger, when spanning multiple states as they can drastically influence the local policies. Take the closest examples, Montenegro and Macedonia.
Both recognized Kosova. It may have been unlikely to happen if there was no substantial Albanian population in both of these countries.

We Albanians, are not Serbs. Being "greater" never meant being "better" to us. As for the last sentence of the article, about Kosova being the first step to reach a "goal" that has 0.6% support, I don't really understand where is coming from and who said it?
There will always be troubling elements in any government who like flies buzz around in the hope that someone would pay attention to them. Let them make the noise, after all we live in "democracy" :)

Nikolle

pre 10 godina

"...quite possibly the worst and most ridiculous of all the "Greater" projects."

i don't know, greater serbia turned out to be quite awful, mostly for serbs, who got expelled out of croatia and other environs. not that i'm one to incite, but the article here is insinuating that Kosova is a part of the Greater Albania project and if that is the case, then I submit that we're a lot smarter than you. you didn't get Krajina, we got Kosova :-)

cry me a river

pre 10 godina

Since "present" Albania is a laughing stock of democratic sovereignty, and "(Balkan Anthropologist

As someone who considers himself an anthropologist on Balkan affairs you should be ashamed for writing such nonsense.
You obviously know very little about the country of Albania and the political system there.

Minotirities have equal rights just like the majority. Oh, by the way, they don't kill gay people like they do in Serbia. They can have gay parades and not worry about their well being.

CAn you say the same about Serbia?
You mentioned 'laughing stock of democratic sovereignty'=It equals Serbia.
You should really change the name you go buy.

tom

pre 10 godina

these alvanians are stupid there is only about 30,000 alvanians in Montenegro and only about 50,000 alvanians in presovo valley the only place where they have any chance is in Macedonia and that's it and they say part of Greece also lol well then natural Greece is north Epirus and there is over 30,000 serbs in Albania so they will also take their part and there is a large Macedonian population in Albania also so they will take their part and the gypsys will take their part so Albania will be Tirana in the end and then the serbs will separate from bosnia and since 38% of Montenegro are Serbs well they will take their part and so on an so on get the point you stupid alvanians....

Peggy

pre 10 godina

United States of Albania - Coming soon!
(Pellazg Kelmendi, 22 August 2013 12:12)
==========================
Can't wait. You are finally going to get your backsides kicked and America won't be able to protect you because even they won't be able to justify this intervention.

Mr. Siptari

pre 10 godina

Good ole' Albanian saying... "The only good thing that came out of Serbia were its women" They've lost Kosova and Vojvodina is about to go back to their rightful people, as well. The Hungarians. No offense, but you guys shit the bed. Stick with your Russian commrades and hope you make it into the E.U. sometime soon.

Brandon

pre 10 godina

The interest of all Albanians is to pursuit their rights wherever they sit. The natural Albania idea, while initially might awake certain national aspiration, in the long run it damages the Albanian cause. In the interest of all Albanians to create friendly relation with their neighbors. To seek a change in borders in an era of disappearing borders does not make any sense. Also letting history dictate current policies could lead to grave mistakes

Balkan Anthropologist

pre 10 godina

but the article here is insinuating that Kosova is a part of the Greater Albania project and if that is the case, then I submit that we're a lot smarter than you. you didn't get Krajina, we got Kosova :-)
(Nikolle, 22 August 2013 17:22)

Well, not to compare who has the bigger, um, "history" on the internet, but we "got" RS. You may "have" "Kosova", but look at how much you have to bend over backwards to please 7% of your population. And considering your elected officials have to do whatever Washington tells them, I'd be careful in declaring you "got" anything in Kosovo. But fine, I'll give that to you if it makes you feel better (and simultaneously distracted from beating up another Serbian farmer in anger). You're no closer to getting that part of Macedonia than you were in 2001, and the less said about regaining Ioannina, the better your irredentists will feel.

icj1

pre 10 godina

Another proof to show that Albanian mentality is from the dark past, from 100 years ago. It explains a lot when it comes to their habits and behavior.
(Comm. Parrisson, 22 August 2013 14:00)

If 100 years ago is dark, not sure what color 624 years ago is...

Nikolle

pre 10 godina

"Can't wait. You are finally going to get your backsides kicked..."

its good to know you're impatiently waiting for another war Peggy. for what its wroth, Greater Albania WILL happen, but not in the way this guy thinks. It will happen when Albania, Kosova, Montenegro & Macedonia join the EU and then borders in which albanians live become obsolete, its as simple as that. what is truly funny to me, is that Greater Serbia was driven by the philosophy of all Serbs in one state, and its proponents failed to realize that that was the case in former Yugoslavia.

Balkan Anthropologist

pre 10 godina

[Some angry Albanian internet ranting above]
You mentioned 'laughing stock of democratic sovereignty'=It equals Serbia.
You should really change the name you go buy.
(cry me a river, 22 August 2013 18:10)

Oh I'm so sorry I got you upset. Try actually researching the country you tell me to learn about. Gay people might not be attacked because they're too afraid to even admit their gay. So instead, politicians are attacked, and journalists are threatened for exposing the truth about Albanian political culture still under the influence of Hoxha-era belligerence. As for minorities, try asking the Greeks what they think of Albanian tolerance. Get back to me once you console yourself with the realities :)

Balkan Anthropologist

pre 10 godina

You are just an ignorant person who can't see beyond the dark classes of Serbdom. Serbs like you are the laughing stocks of Europe.
(miri, 22 August 2013 17:19)

And yet still smart enough to know that with undeniable proof of all the other Greater projects that failed in history, "Natural" Albania is the dumbest name for a Greater project given and can only be championed by people who either never learned from the mistakes of others, or actually think that one of the least developed societies in Europe can achieve what others couldn't. It doesn't need a Serb to see that. But you keep up the good fight from your keyboard in America. Make another Facebook page or YouTube video for the same diaspora community if it helps soothe your aching ego for a country you don't live in and for envisioning a state that never existed.

miri

pre 10 godina

If it was "natural", it would have happened already. In fact, it not only would have happened, it would be self-evident. Since neither are the case, "Natural" Albania is a simple euphemism for "Greater" Albania, and quite possibly the worst and most ridiculous of all the "Greater" projects. Since "present" Albania is a laughing stock of democratic sovereignty, and "little" Albania next door can barely function above the poverty line, the idea of all Albanians in one state can only be realized if there's mass migration to the present state of Albania. Anything else is wishful thinking by internet trolls the world over.
(Balkan Anthropologist, 22 August 2013 16:31)

You are just an ignorant person who can't see beyond the dark classes of Serbdom. Serbs like you are the laughing stocks of Europe.

Balkan Anthropologist

pre 10 godina

but the article here is insinuating that Kosova is a part of the Greater Albania project and if that is the case, then I submit that we're a lot smarter than you. you didn't get Krajina, we got Kosova :-)
(Nikolle, 22 August 2013 17:22)

Well, not to compare who has the bigger, um, "history" on the internet, but we "got" RS. You may "have" "Kosova", but look at how much you have to bend over backwards to please 7% of your population. And considering your elected officials have to do whatever Washington tells them, I'd be careful in declaring you "got" anything in Kosovo. But fine, I'll give that to you if it makes you feel better (and simultaneously distracted from beating up another Serbian farmer in anger). You're no closer to getting that part of Macedonia than you were in 2001, and the less said about regaining Ioannina, the better your irredentists will feel.

Peggy

pre 10 godina

its good to know you're impatiently waiting for another war Peggy. for what its wroth, Greater Albania WILL happen, but not in the way this guy thinks. It will happen when Albania, Kosova, Montenegro & Macedonia join the EU and then borders in which albanians live become obsolete
==============================
It certainly looks like another war will happen. Take a look at the mess the world is in so nothing I say or do will prevent that.
All I am saying is that when it does happen your arses will be kicked from here to kingdom come.

Now, if "natural Albania" will happen the way you say it will then natural Serbia will happen the same way.
Still happy about the way things will turn out?

Questioner

pre 10 godina

"The daily Večernje Novosti writes that the movement was political in the past, and had the goal of bringing all the territories where Albanians live - or have supposedly lived in the past - into a single entity."

Is there a difference to Milosevic's idea of a 'Greater Serbia'? We all know how it ended, don't we? Maybe Albanians should try, and after 10 years and 100.000s of people killed they will finally end up being expelled from Serbia, Montenegro and other states where they are an ethnic minority, just like it happened to Serbs in Croatia, Kosovo, parts of Bosnia.

Nikolle

pre 10 godina

You like your comment so much Balkan you had to post it twice eh? As for Iaonnina, I honestly couldnt care any less if I tried. I already outlined my vision for a greater Albania, it doesnt need 100000 dead Albanians like greater Serbia brought your people.

Oh and Peggy, you already wrote you cant wait, I only know of maniacs who look forward to war.

Reader

pre 10 godina

"Stanic said that Danaj is a marginal politician “desiring of media attention," and also claims that Danaj’s idea has the support of only 0.6 percent of the people in Albania. "

Agreed. And Danaj is certainly getting this media attention, he made it to B92 at least. He does not usually make it to the media in Albania, where he is not as famous. The 0.6% number instead is not correct. The party which was running on that "project", called the Red and Black Alliance, got 0.3% of the votes in the latest elections of June 2013 in Albania. Needless to say, it did not make it to parliament.

Hayashi

pre 10 godina

A lot of people here don't know what Greater means so let me explain it to everyone so they can end their stupid arguments.

Greater as in "Greater Albania", "Greater Serbia" means the country with land outside its territory included as part of the country, for example if Kosovo is included as part of Albania it is Greater Albania, if Montenegro is included as part of Serbia it is Greater Serbia, if FYROM is included as part of Bulgaria it is Greater Bulgaria, it may also be natural Albania, Serb or Bulgaria but at the same time it is still Greater [fill in the blank].

resident of Fredericton,New Brunswick,Canada visiting Plymouth,Minnesota,USA

pre 10 godina

Simply asking out of curiosity if the name or proposed name "Natural Albania" was changed to "New Albania" how would that resonate with certain people?

Hayashi

pre 10 godina

"bringing all the territories where Albanians live .......... - into a single entity" No I am not saying I don't support the idea but surely if Albanians should be given that privilege then everyone in the whole world should be given the same privilege, unfortunately this could lead to world war 3 especially when you have ethnically mixed areas and you have areas where two groups claim they are the majority in them, or when people get the idea of using ethnic cleansing to make themselves a majority.

"or have supposedly lived in the past" Now this is what can cause a serious conflict especially in places like Ohrid which are claimed by Albanians but Albanians don't live there. But again if Albanians are gonna be given that privilege then everyone should have the same privilege and the result is the same world war.

Hayashi

pre 10 godina

This is the same person as the one who talked about "If Albanians are given the privilege then so should everyone else", this is merely a continuation of my previous comment.

I agree the borders may have been unjust but Albanians are not the only ones who are a victims, Bulgarians, Greeks, Kurds and Armenians are also victims of unjust borders imposed by the same people which imposed the Albanian borders UK, Germany and France, they decided that all of Eastern Thrace, Constantinople, the Bosphorus and Eastern Anatolia should be part of Turkey, this led to the genocide and ethnic cleansing of Greeks, Armenians, Bulgarians and Kurds. Again if Albanians should have their unjust borders correct then so should everyone else, and this again leads to conflict.

Now we should be exploring other options to unite everyone in one states, an option which allows everyone to be in one country without conflicts. The EU is an option but unfortunately that just makes you a colony and servant of the same people who imposed the unjust borders, now there was another option proposed in the early 20th century, it would have been a good idea had it been done properly, but it wasn't which left Bulgaria and Albania out of the equation, if anyone has some brain they would what I a referring to.

Ment

pre 10 godina

Patriotism is the virtue of the vicious - Oscar Wilde.

Re-phrasing for the Balkans...

Nationalism is the virtue of the vicious and the mediocre.


I'm Albanian and Danaj can go f himself.

Brandon

pre 10 godina

Hayashi,
While I don't support the redrawing of borders in Balkans I am surprised by your attempt to downplay historical injustice put upon Albanians. More than half of Albanian people and land were left outside the mother nation. I dear you to find anything that comes close to it in the region.

Bekim_Novi Sad

pre 10 godina

Great thats all we need.

Another Greater (insert here as appropriate) nationalism that caused so much misery in the 1990s. What are these idiots playing at?

Pellazg Kelmendi

pre 10 godina

Albania will unite, it is the most natural thing to do! Albanians were unjustly separated into 6 different neighboring states, and it is natural that there is a will to unite!

Also, this project is not supported by 0.6% as it says, but by most of the Albanian population.

United States of Albania - Coming soon!

Comm. Parrisson

pre 10 godina

The ‘Natural Albania’ project, launched by Danaj in 2010, calls for establishing the borders as prescribed in a declaration of a century ago, adopted at the Assembly of Vlora on November 28, 1912.

Another proof to show that Albanian mentality is from the dark past, from 100 years ago. It explains a lot when it comes to their habits and behavior. And the very same people in Kosovo call themselves 'young Europeans'. Funny, isn't it?

Nikolle

pre 10 godina

"Another proof to show that Albanian mentality is from the dark past, from 100 years ago"

outright racism. take the action of one man and judge a whole group. how many signatures has this petition got? you write weirder and weirder stuff every time

Questioner

pre 10 godina

"The daily Večernje Novosti writes that the movement was political in the past, and had the goal of bringing all the territories where Albanians live - or have supposedly lived in the past - into a single entity."

Is there a difference to Milosevic's idea of a 'Greater Serbia'? We all know how it ended, don't we? Maybe Albanians should try, and after 10 years and 100.000s of people killed they will finally end up being expelled from Serbia, Montenegro and other states where they are an ethnic minority, just like it happened to Serbs in Croatia, Kosovo, parts of Bosnia.

miri

pre 10 godina

"Stanic said that Danaj is a marginal politician “desiring of media attention," and also claims that Danaj’s idea has the support of only 0.6 percent of the people in Albania."

This says it all!
No moderate Albanian, (and this is the majority these days) would ever consider supporting the idea of "Greater Albania" which is a Serbian invented concept anyway. The truth is Albanians can be even stronger, when spanning multiple states as they can drastically influence the local policies. Take the closest examples, Montenegro and Macedonia.
Both recognized Kosova. It may have been unlikely to happen if there was no substantial Albanian population in both of these countries.

We Albanians, are not Serbs. Being "greater" never meant being "better" to us. As for the last sentence of the article, about Kosova being the first step to reach a "goal" that has 0.6% support, I don't really understand where is coming from and who said it?
There will always be troubling elements in any government who like flies buzz around in the hope that someone would pay attention to them. Let them make the noise, after all we live in "democracy" :)

cry me a river

pre 10 godina

Since "present" Albania is a laughing stock of democratic sovereignty, and "(Balkan Anthropologist

As someone who considers himself an anthropologist on Balkan affairs you should be ashamed for writing such nonsense.
You obviously know very little about the country of Albania and the political system there.

Minotirities have equal rights just like the majority. Oh, by the way, they don't kill gay people like they do in Serbia. They can have gay parades and not worry about their well being.

CAn you say the same about Serbia?
You mentioned 'laughing stock of democratic sovereignty'=It equals Serbia.
You should really change the name you go buy.

tom

pre 10 godina

these alvanians are stupid there is only about 30,000 alvanians in Montenegro and only about 50,000 alvanians in presovo valley the only place where they have any chance is in Macedonia and that's it and they say part of Greece also lol well then natural Greece is north Epirus and there is over 30,000 serbs in Albania so they will also take their part and there is a large Macedonian population in Albania also so they will take their part and the gypsys will take their part so Albania will be Tirana in the end and then the serbs will separate from bosnia and since 38% of Montenegro are Serbs well they will take their part and so on an so on get the point you stupid alvanians....

Mr. Siptari

pre 10 godina

Good ole' Albanian saying... "The only good thing that came out of Serbia were its women" They've lost Kosova and Vojvodina is about to go back to their rightful people, as well. The Hungarians. No offense, but you guys shit the bed. Stick with your Russian commrades and hope you make it into the E.U. sometime soon.

miri

pre 10 godina

If it was "natural", it would have happened already. In fact, it not only would have happened, it would be self-evident. Since neither are the case, "Natural" Albania is a simple euphemism for "Greater" Albania, and quite possibly the worst and most ridiculous of all the "Greater" projects. Since "present" Albania is a laughing stock of democratic sovereignty, and "little" Albania next door can barely function above the poverty line, the idea of all Albanians in one state can only be realized if there's mass migration to the present state of Albania. Anything else is wishful thinking by internet trolls the world over.
(Balkan Anthropologist, 22 August 2013 16:31)

You are just an ignorant person who can't see beyond the dark classes of Serbdom. Serbs like you are the laughing stocks of Europe.

Balkan Anthropologist

pre 10 godina

If it was "natural", it would have happened already. In fact, it not only would have happened, it would be self-evident. Since neither are the case, "Natural" Albania is a simple euphemism for "Greater" Albania, and quite possibly the worst and most ridiculous of all the "Greater" projects. Since "present" Albania is a laughing stock of democratic sovereignty, and "little" Albania next door can barely function above the poverty line, the idea of all Albanians in one state can only be realized if there's mass migration to the present state of Albania. Anything else is wishful thinking by internet trolls the world over.

PEN

pre 10 godina

@pellag kelmendi;

'united states of Albania coming soon!'

And who's going to take up arms for it little keyboard warrior, you?
Best go back to the nursery room and carry on playing with your toys.

Ari Gold

pre 10 godina

I can only pray these lunatics are crazy enough to try it. Not even the U.S. can try to spin supporting Albanian causes against 3-4 sovereign nations. It would be the end of Albanian Muslim extremism in the Balkans.

Nikolle

pre 10 godina

"...quite possibly the worst and most ridiculous of all the "Greater" projects."

i don't know, greater serbia turned out to be quite awful, mostly for serbs, who got expelled out of croatia and other environs. not that i'm one to incite, but the article here is insinuating that Kosova is a part of the Greater Albania project and if that is the case, then I submit that we're a lot smarter than you. you didn't get Krajina, we got Kosova :-)

Peggy

pre 10 godina

United States of Albania - Coming soon!
(Pellazg Kelmendi, 22 August 2013 12:12)
==========================
Can't wait. You are finally going to get your backsides kicked and America won't be able to protect you because even they won't be able to justify this intervention.

Balkan Anthropologist

pre 10 godina

You are just an ignorant person who can't see beyond the dark classes of Serbdom. Serbs like you are the laughing stocks of Europe.
(miri, 22 August 2013 17:19)

And yet still smart enough to know that with undeniable proof of all the other Greater projects that failed in history, "Natural" Albania is the dumbest name for a Greater project given and can only be championed by people who either never learned from the mistakes of others, or actually think that one of the least developed societies in Europe can achieve what others couldn't. It doesn't need a Serb to see that. But you keep up the good fight from your keyboard in America. Make another Facebook page or YouTube video for the same diaspora community if it helps soothe your aching ego for a country you don't live in and for envisioning a state that never existed.

Nikolle

pre 10 godina

"Can't wait. You are finally going to get your backsides kicked..."

its good to know you're impatiently waiting for another war Peggy. for what its wroth, Greater Albania WILL happen, but not in the way this guy thinks. It will happen when Albania, Kosova, Montenegro & Macedonia join the EU and then borders in which albanians live become obsolete, its as simple as that. what is truly funny to me, is that Greater Serbia was driven by the philosophy of all Serbs in one state, and its proponents failed to realize that that was the case in former Yugoslavia.

icj1

pre 10 godina

Another proof to show that Albanian mentality is from the dark past, from 100 years ago. It explains a lot when it comes to their habits and behavior.
(Comm. Parrisson, 22 August 2013 14:00)

If 100 years ago is dark, not sure what color 624 years ago is...

Brandon

pre 10 godina

The interest of all Albanians is to pursuit their rights wherever they sit. The natural Albania idea, while initially might awake certain national aspiration, in the long run it damages the Albanian cause. In the interest of all Albanians to create friendly relation with their neighbors. To seek a change in borders in an era of disappearing borders does not make any sense. Also letting history dictate current policies could lead to grave mistakes

Peggy

pre 10 godina

its good to know you're impatiently waiting for another war Peggy. for what its wroth, Greater Albania WILL happen, but not in the way this guy thinks. It will happen when Albania, Kosova, Montenegro & Macedonia join the EU and then borders in which albanians live become obsolete
==============================
It certainly looks like another war will happen. Take a look at the mess the world is in so nothing I say or do will prevent that.
All I am saying is that when it does happen your arses will be kicked from here to kingdom come.

Now, if "natural Albania" will happen the way you say it will then natural Serbia will happen the same way.
Still happy about the way things will turn out?

Brandon

pre 10 godina

Hayashi,
While I don't support the redrawing of borders in Balkans I am surprised by your attempt to downplay historical injustice put upon Albanians. More than half of Albanian people and land were left outside the mother nation. I dear you to find anything that comes close to it in the region.

Balkan Anthropologist

pre 10 godina

but the article here is insinuating that Kosova is a part of the Greater Albania project and if that is the case, then I submit that we're a lot smarter than you. you didn't get Krajina, we got Kosova :-)
(Nikolle, 22 August 2013 17:22)

Well, not to compare who has the bigger, um, "history" on the internet, but we "got" RS. You may "have" "Kosova", but look at how much you have to bend over backwards to please 7% of your population. And considering your elected officials have to do whatever Washington tells them, I'd be careful in declaring you "got" anything in Kosovo. But fine, I'll give that to you if it makes you feel better (and simultaneously distracted from beating up another Serbian farmer in anger). You're no closer to getting that part of Macedonia than you were in 2001, and the less said about regaining Ioannina, the better your irredentists will feel.

Balkan Anthropologist

pre 10 godina

but the article here is insinuating that Kosova is a part of the Greater Albania project and if that is the case, then I submit that we're a lot smarter than you. you didn't get Krajina, we got Kosova :-)
(Nikolle, 22 August 2013 17:22)

Well, not to compare who has the bigger, um, "history" on the internet, but we "got" RS. You may "have" "Kosova", but look at how much you have to bend over backwards to please 7% of your population. And considering your elected officials have to do whatever Washington tells them, I'd be careful in declaring you "got" anything in Kosovo. But fine, I'll give that to you if it makes you feel better (and simultaneously distracted from beating up another Serbian farmer in anger). You're no closer to getting that part of Macedonia than you were in 2001, and the less said about regaining Ioannina, the better your irredentists will feel.

Nikolle

pre 10 godina

You like your comment so much Balkan you had to post it twice eh? As for Iaonnina, I honestly couldnt care any less if I tried. I already outlined my vision for a greater Albania, it doesnt need 100000 dead Albanians like greater Serbia brought your people.

Oh and Peggy, you already wrote you cant wait, I only know of maniacs who look forward to war.

Balkan Anthropologist

pre 10 godina

[Some angry Albanian internet ranting above]
You mentioned 'laughing stock of democratic sovereignty'=It equals Serbia.
You should really change the name you go buy.
(cry me a river, 22 August 2013 18:10)

Oh I'm so sorry I got you upset. Try actually researching the country you tell me to learn about. Gay people might not be attacked because they're too afraid to even admit their gay. So instead, politicians are attacked, and journalists are threatened for exposing the truth about Albanian political culture still under the influence of Hoxha-era belligerence. As for minorities, try asking the Greeks what they think of Albanian tolerance. Get back to me once you console yourself with the realities :)

Hayashi

pre 10 godina

A lot of people here don't know what Greater means so let me explain it to everyone so they can end their stupid arguments.

Greater as in "Greater Albania", "Greater Serbia" means the country with land outside its territory included as part of the country, for example if Kosovo is included as part of Albania it is Greater Albania, if Montenegro is included as part of Serbia it is Greater Serbia, if FYROM is included as part of Bulgaria it is Greater Bulgaria, it may also be natural Albania, Serb or Bulgaria but at the same time it is still Greater [fill in the blank].

Bekim_Novi Sad

pre 10 godina

Great thats all we need.

Another Greater (insert here as appropriate) nationalism that caused so much misery in the 1990s. What are these idiots playing at?

Hayashi

pre 10 godina

"bringing all the territories where Albanians live .......... - into a single entity" No I am not saying I don't support the idea but surely if Albanians should be given that privilege then everyone in the whole world should be given the same privilege, unfortunately this could lead to world war 3 especially when you have ethnically mixed areas and you have areas where two groups claim they are the majority in them, or when people get the idea of using ethnic cleansing to make themselves a majority.

"or have supposedly lived in the past" Now this is what can cause a serious conflict especially in places like Ohrid which are claimed by Albanians but Albanians don't live there. But again if Albanians are gonna be given that privilege then everyone should have the same privilege and the result is the same world war.

Reader

pre 10 godina

"Stanic said that Danaj is a marginal politician “desiring of media attention," and also claims that Danaj’s idea has the support of only 0.6 percent of the people in Albania. "

Agreed. And Danaj is certainly getting this media attention, he made it to B92 at least. He does not usually make it to the media in Albania, where he is not as famous. The 0.6% number instead is not correct. The party which was running on that "project", called the Red and Black Alliance, got 0.3% of the votes in the latest elections of June 2013 in Albania. Needless to say, it did not make it to parliament.

Ment

pre 10 godina

Patriotism is the virtue of the vicious - Oscar Wilde.

Re-phrasing for the Balkans...

Nationalism is the virtue of the vicious and the mediocre.


I'm Albanian and Danaj can go f himself.

resident of Fredericton,New Brunswick,Canada visiting Plymouth,Minnesota,USA

pre 10 godina

Simply asking out of curiosity if the name or proposed name "Natural Albania" was changed to "New Albania" how would that resonate with certain people?

Hayashi

pre 10 godina

This is the same person as the one who talked about "If Albanians are given the privilege then so should everyone else", this is merely a continuation of my previous comment.

I agree the borders may have been unjust but Albanians are not the only ones who are a victims, Bulgarians, Greeks, Kurds and Armenians are also victims of unjust borders imposed by the same people which imposed the Albanian borders UK, Germany and France, they decided that all of Eastern Thrace, Constantinople, the Bosphorus and Eastern Anatolia should be part of Turkey, this led to the genocide and ethnic cleansing of Greeks, Armenians, Bulgarians and Kurds. Again if Albanians should have their unjust borders correct then so should everyone else, and this again leads to conflict.

Now we should be exploring other options to unite everyone in one states, an option which allows everyone to be in one country without conflicts. The EU is an option but unfortunately that just makes you a colony and servant of the same people who imposed the unjust borders, now there was another option proposed in the early 20th century, it would have been a good idea had it been done properly, but it wasn't which left Bulgaria and Albania out of the equation, if anyone has some brain they would what I a referring to.